beg/ & /int/ - Beginners and Intermediate General

[Anonymous No.7464394]

Please come back, thread mama Edition.

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life

Previous thread >>7461948

[Anonymous No.7464397]

ngmi

[Anonymous No.7464400]

[Anonymous No.7464402]

>>7463748

[Anonymous No.7464403]

Give my doodles some (You)s onegai.

>>7464397
Might as well just enjoy the ride then.

>>7464400
Cute, where can I follow you? Do you have a tip for starting with cross hatching shading?

[Anonymous No.7464404]

>>7464403
yup, the ride to misery and regret, very fun

[Anonymous No.7464407]

>>7463215
Very nice, what tool do you use for the shading?

[Anonymous No.7464413]

[Anonymous No.7464414]

[Anonymous No.7464417]

>draw zoomed in
>looks good
>zoom out
>looks bad
>zoom out more
>looks good again
???

>>7464407
i drew everything with the pencil-2 in krita, one layer, from start to finish, though im getting tired of this approach, and trying to experiment with flat lineart (no brush dynamics), i liked doing digital alla prima but i think i hit a wall
>>7463878
cheesegr8twt on twitter, im not planning on continuing this though im sorry

[Anonymous No.7464422]

>>7464417
don't zoom in and out too often when drawing, it's easy to fuck up proportions

[Anonymous No.7464428]

>>7464422
but then how will i dwaw smaw things and big things?

[Anonymous No.7464430]

>>7464428
sketch it at normal size, then you have guidelines to follow when you zoom in

[Anonymous No.7464432]

>>7464430
thats what i do my man

[Anonymous No.7464434]

>>7464432
then you are fucking up the sketch, it's not a zoom in problem

[Anonymous No.7464438]

>>7462190

[Anonymous No.7464440]

>>7464438
sex

[Anonymous No.7464442]

>>7464367
cope by yourself, weeb cattle without arguments

[Anonymous No.7464443]

>>7464442
how is this argument still going on

[Anonymous No.7464447]

Thread challenge

[Anonymous No.7464449]

>>7464443
idk he's somehow butthurt about me finding a drawing cute

[Anonymous No.7464450]

getting a real early digital anime internet art vibe from this, i hope this is because i started at a very low resolution, i really want to make this fixed brush lineart thing work
Also just realized linearting with a smaller brush takes so much longer, i guess that was pretty obvious though

>>7464442
Yeah but why is it only at one zoom level though, isnt that interesting
I fixed it with free transform, i think that's actually a blessing in disguise to be able to see imperfections by zoomin in n out

[Anonymous No.7464452]

ink

[Anonymous No.7464455]

Thread challenge #2
I can post something else if you don't want cuties

[Anonymous No.7464458]

[Anonymous No.7464459]

[Anonymous No.7464462]

>>7464449
Because of retards like you who encourage shitty drawings, the quality drops, plus you contribute to the Japanese propaganda of soft power, weeb cattle subhuman

[Anonymous No.7464463]

[Anonymous No.7464464]

>>7464462
the second drawing is objectively better

[Anonymous No.7464465]

What keeps you going?

[Anonymous No.7464468]

>>7464464
the concept objectively has nothing to do with the “soul”, for the Indians ai slop will be with the soul, for LGBT fagots a gay or lesbian will be with the “soul”, for backward ryukishi lovers his work will be with the “soul”. Both art are crap, but the first one has anatomy

[Anonymous No.7464470]

>>7464465
Nothing, I couldn’t figure out how to draw this shitty ref and I was filtered by refs with body curves

[Anonymous No.7464471]

>>7464447
cope

[Anonymous No.7464472]

>>7464447

[Anonymous No.7464474]

>>7464471
>>7464468

[Anonymous No.7464475]

>>7464474
Weeb cattle without argument, as always

[Anonymous No.7464476]

>>7464470
good ref

[Anonymous No.7464477]

>>7464471
Huh?

[Anonymous No.7464483]

>>7464476
How did you draw? it's complicated

[Anonymous No.7464485]

>>7464455

[Anonymous No.7464487]

>>7464472
>>7464485
Nice rkgk, are you going to develop them?

[Anonymous No.7464488]

>>7464483
he's korean and has art genes

[Anonymous No.7464495]

>>7464483
i drew what i see
>>7464488
this is way below average by industry standards

[Anonymous No.7464497]

lel. the girl is super broken though.

[Anonymous No.7464498]

>>7464497
nice as always

[Anonymous No.7464500]

>>7464475
>>7464449
>>7464474
>>7464462
At least pyw if you're going to keep shitting the thread.

[Anonymous No.7464502]

>>7464495
How did you draw this? I tried to design, I tried to draw along the lines, everything is crap, I hate this nonsense, nothing works

[Anonymous No.7464504]

>>7464502
i set some virtual absolute points in mind
and look for some relative spatial markers like cross sections
then interpolate the thing with contours of shapes i already know

[Anonymous No.7464506]

>>7464487
>rkgk
what?

[Anonymous No.7464509]

>>7464487
>are you going to develop them
no

[Anonymous No.7464510]

>>7464450
Manly Chun-Li. I came.

[Anonymous No.7464511]

>>7464452
nice

[Anonymous No.7464512]

>>7464400
It's hard to criticize. A bunch of "wrong" things that come down to taste.

[Anonymous No.7464513]

>>7464504
>contours of shapes
How did you study them, their existence in perspective and in space, the curves of the body

[Anonymous No.7464517]

>>7464513
i did time limited croquis
especially 30 seconds ones
but dont ask me i suck and there are many who are better

[Anonymous No.7464522]

>>7464517
Don’t pretend to be a bad artist and don’t lie to others, you have better drawings than me and many here, apparently you’re a damn talented fagot because you can’t explain HOW TO DRAW SUCH VOLUME FIGURES IN PERSPECTIVE, you just feel how to draw and draw in color, probably This is what the “just draw” advice is intended for.

[Anonymous No.7464528]

is this going into the right direction

[Anonymous No.7464530]

>>7464528
yes

[Anonymous No.7464537]

>>7464528
Pelvis angle seems very wrong compared to the rest of the body - you got tunnel-visioned into making the ass beeg
Torso is a bit too long - common when legs obscure part of torso
Thigh seems kind of misshapen, can't really describe it

[Anonymous No.7464543]

pocket monsters

[Anonymous No.7464560]

>>7464400
Needs a horizon line. Maybe some trees.
>>7464403
Punpun all grown up.
>>7464413
Needs a floating void anime girl.
>>7464414
Cute.
>>7464417
Why didn’t you finish the line work?
>>7464450
Oh my.
>>7464452
Cartoon head, sexo body.
>>7464458
Work on your hair. It’s a giant blob when the rest of the face is super detailed.
>>7464459
Okay. Yep.
>>7464463
Needs line confidence. Be brave senpai.

Why the fuck does the system think my post is spam? Jesus fucking Christ 4chan it’s been almost 20 years of my life shitposting and you still suck ass every fucking time I try to post. What if I cut half my replies. I fucking hate this place.

[Anonymous No.7464561]

>>7464560
>>7464472
Lego man. Construction is fun.
>>7464476
How long did that take? A minute? A few minutes?
>>7464485
Why do your lines not connect?
>>7464497
The water looks like cum.
>>7464500
Love the face.
>>7464528
Cool ribcage. What the fuck why can’t I post are my replies too short?
>>7464543
Cute! Middle one needs perfect curve lines though

Are you fucking kidding me. That worked? Fuck this place.

[Anonymous No.7464565]

>>7464561
>Why do your lines not connect?
if i tried to connected them they'd overlap each others unless i were to connect them slowly, but that would result squiggly lines at the intersections and it would be tedious to do

[Anonymous No.7464566]

>>7464561
2~3 minutes
focal length seems to be long so it was on the easier spectrum

[Anonymous No.7464567]

>>7464403
I didnt really fully get crosshatching (hell I still kinda dont) until I saw a tip saying that the thing that you must always keep consistent is the space between each line, as in they must all have the same width. draw a circle and try out different widths. also I dun have a blog, maybe I'll actually make a neocities some day
>>7464512
Hey you never know, shoot anyways, I wanna know
>>7464560
I see what you are saying, but at this point it's finished and having to make a horizon line and a background for a thing is harder than planning with them in mind

[Anonymous No.7464574]

>>7464522
>HOW TO DRAW SUCH VOLUME FIGURES IN PERSPECTIVE
NTA, but what is there to explain? Draw stuff in perspective over and over again until you can do it well. Stop being a howie and just draw.

[Anonymous No.7464578]

>>7464561
>The water looks like cum.
heheh, this is a good thing because it is not water

[Anonymous No.7464587]

Somewhat pre beg here, been practicing the fundamentals for a fair bit and somewhat understand them but my by biggest issue is what believe is referred to as "line control". I can free hand random curves, lines, and ellipses but trying to place them accurately to make for example the petals of a flower I end up with several petals that are way too different from each other like length and width wise. Any advice or does come down to drawing 1000 circles like the memes say?

[Anonymous No.7464592]

>>7464497
what brushes do you use?

[Anonymous No.7464595]

>>7464587
Sketch until you get the correct shape.
Use an eraser.
Then ink the final sketch.
In Scott Robertson's How to Draw he suggested drawing a few dots, and try to draw a smooth curve that passes through all the dots. pic unrelated
There's a bunch of line exercises here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-RTFkXDk
Anyways, this is something you will get better naturally as you draw more.

[Anonymous No.7464598]

construction plus clothing practice plus stylising a reference

How’s the sketch looking so far, any glaring issues?

[Anonymous No.7464601]

>>7464354
I plot down the top and bottom line and a rough gesture to capture the reference. Then I Blob over the gesture on a new layer to get the shilouette, if the shilouette is right everything should fit inside or at least that's my logic. Then I swap to a hard round brush and draw/erease to and from the blob trying to mold the shapes the body would create into place. I made a copy of my blob to help visualize it how it looks before and after.
After that I refine the lineart by drawing over some of the lines that aren't fully opague and check in detail where i have to push the line in/out to create a better shape from line placement/thickness, I didn't do this here fully, because it's the part that takes most of the time.

[Anonymous No.7464603]

>>7464598
The pose is static but that's not a drawing mistake.
It looks good I think, hands might be too small.
You're probably gonna change this for final line work, but the lines could use some confidence, drawing a calf with 8 lines is never going to look good.
Face is very cute :3

[Anonymous No.7464609]

How can you tell if art just isn’t the right thing for you and then KYS

[Anonymous No.7464610]

>>7464595
Thanks. The dots do help greatly but I dread the idea of having to rely on them but I assume overtime I won't need it

[Anonymous No.7464612]

>>7464609
if you're blind or legally retarded or a double amputee it's probably not for you. otherwise you just don't want to draw.

[Anonymous No.7464613]

>>7464612
>double amputee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPA0K4ykcU

Nobody on /ic/ has brushstrokes this good lol

[Anonymous No.7464615]

>>7464613
damn, asians are really built different

[Anonymous No.7464616]

Give me thoughts about this sketch i just did. What needs fixing?

[Anonymous No.7464618]

>>7464616
replace the cigarette with a penis

[Anonymous No.7464630]

>>7464618
No

[Anonymous No.7464636]

>>7464616
Draw the full body standing straight.

[Anonymous No.7464639]

>>7464610
The dots + curved line were meant to be exercise btw. Like those straight line exercises where you need to connect 2 dots.

[Anonymous No.7464640]

>>7464636
I cant, my drawing paper doesnt continue longer down

[Anonymous No.7464651]

>>7464616
hand

[Anonymous No.7464677]

[Anonymous No.7464681]

>"I learned to draw in SIX MONTHS!"
>he signed up for art classes

Is this the ultimate solution?

[Anonymous No.7464687]

>>7464452
i tried
but my understanding of colors is so bad

[Anonymous No.7464688]

>>7464687
Alright anon stop drawing and fucking teach us

[Anonymous No.7464690]

>>7464574
My output is crap and there is no improvement, I want to know how I achieved an acceptable result, I would understand if he used boxes, it is more clear and easy, but he was just drawing

[Anonymous No.7464692]

>>7464574
Also here>>7464601 another anon clearly explained the sequence of his actions

[Anonymous No.7464696]

>>7464690
i tried to convey my thought process

[Anonymous No.7464698]

>>7464696
Those 6 hastily scribbled red lines have better perspective than any box I've seen on this board

[Anonymous No.7464699]

>>7464687
sex

[Anonymous No.7464703]

hello ic. my clay started too dry too much for me to fix this and finish it. i hate being alive

[Anonymous No.7464707]

>>7464696
>>7464698
I fucking didn’t understand his sketches at all, I drew it again in my own way and again it’s crap how the torso lies here ?

[Anonymous No.7464710]

>>7464707
There's a twist to the torso, compare angle of shoulders with angle of hips

[Anonymous No.7464711]

>>7464560
>Why didn’t you finish the line work?
I was just testing the brush

[Anonymous No.7464712]

>>7464703
Can't you put it in water or something? I don't understand sculpting materials but it looks pretty great even at this stage

[Anonymous No.7464715]

another angle. sculpting with clay is much fucking harder than sculpting with blender

[Anonymous No.7464717]

>>7464712
I tried but the ears and the pieces I separated from the mass first wouldn't become moldable again they just started to "break" a bit when I pressed on them
Thank you

[Anonymous No.7464719]

>>7464710
so probably...

[Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.7464722]

[Anonymous No.7464723]

compare the end points of each limb chunks to the lines other limb chunks make
in this way you can keep the general shape by comparing where the lines and points lies

[Anonymous No.7464725]

>>7464722
Is that an Isaac OC? Love it, how wonderfully 2012

[Anonymous No.7464727]

>>7464470
>>7464476
I tried this too :T

[Anonymous No.7464735]

>just draw anon, talent doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.7464738]

>>7464735
>Finally I think I'm out of excuse-ACK!

[Anonymous No.7464739]

>>7464735
surely it's just talent instead of 2 prebegs compared to somebody who has probably been drawing for years

[Anonymous No.7464743]

>>7464739
The first one called himself /beg/ and advised not to take advice from him, I’ve been drawing for six months (middle picture)

[Anonymous No.7464744]

>>7464735
The should have done the DOT.

[Anonymous No.7464745]

>>7464311
I always planned to draw her with her tongue out, but I'm terrible at drawing tongues (you can tell just by zooming on her face), so I tried experimenting with some other mouth shapes before settling down with my original idea.
>>7464735
The last two drawings worst sin is how much pressure they're putting down on their pencils, which makes their lines look thicker and static. My biggest tip is either keep your pencil sharpened at all times or buy a mechanical one to save yourself the trouble.

[Anonymous No.7464747]

>>7464743
he's probably just being humble. and how much have you been drawing in those 6 months? i doubt even an hour every day.

[Anonymous No.7464748]

>>7464744
Fuck off with this trolling
>>7464745
It's not about pencils at all, the first anon intuitively understands how this fucking torso lies, he even managed to position it without a box

[Anonymous No.7464753]

>>7464748
That's why Keys to Drawing and Betty Edwards' books are recommended for beginners. People we consider talented basically born being good with drawing from observation. You need to train your eye and hand to reach their starting point.

[Anonymous No.7464754]

>>7464692
Honestly, I thought shit like that was self evident, it didn't even cross my mind that anon could be struggling with the fundamentals of building a sketch. Fair enough then, my bad

[Anonymous No.7464758]

>>7464735
>just draw anon, talent doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.7464765]

>>7464754
The sketch is much more complex than the boxes, you must have a developed sense of form, I don’t know how to draw such sketches, everything is just flat and ugly

[Anonymous No.7464771]

>>7464747
My shitty figures aren't improving>>7464765

[Anonymous No.7464774]

>>7464735
I also feel filtered to hell and back anon. It's a weird reference

[Anonymous No.7464776]

>>7464748
It's harder to understand what you're doing when your lines are thick and messy, specially if you're just starting. I'm usually against the whole "get the best materials and you'll draw better lol" but any trad artist should have a good pencil or two. I'm not gonna tell you to draw more boxes and do more studies, you've probably heard that a thousand times in here.
>he even managed to position it without a box
You can clearly see the box in the first anon's drawing though.

[Anonymous No.7464777]

I sometimes get the impression that some people here don't actually enjoy drawing

[Anonymous No.7464779]

too dirty but attempt

[Anonymous No.7464781]

>>7464777
>sometimes

[Anonymous No.7464782]

>>7464777
Then tell those who can't draw it how to draw it >>7464707 and I'll love drawing again

[Anonymous No.7464784]

>>7464779
insane
how do i practice color
maybe it is time to try to paint photos 1:1 every day
i know i should do that but never have done that

[Anonymous No.7464786]

>>7464779
Are you color picking? Thumbnail looks too real

[Anonymous No.7464790]

>>7464470
Proportions are fucked, but I tried.

[Anonymous No.7464794]

>>7464790
Even this anon did it well, looks like I'll have to quit this crap, I just don't understand how to draw like that

[Anonymous No.7464799]

>>7464774
the more I look at this the more I hate it. Why do I even try

[Anonymous No.7464802]

>>7464765
I mean, again, a lot of it looking good is just practice.
>you must have a developed sense of form
I mean, isn't that kind of answering your own question? You said it yourself, you need a developed sense of form, so develop it. It just takes time and practice.
I really don't mean to pick on you, and if it came/comes across that way, I apologize.
It's just that I really don't think there's some big secret that will automatically make you able to draw like that other anon. Obviously, what you(?) linked before -a general process to lay out guidelines- is helpful, but it's just a tool to help you learn faster.
As an example, picrel has been my progression since I started again. My "then" also looks pretty flat and disproportionate. Obviously, my "now" is still not amazing either, but it's better. And my process hasn't really changed.
You >>7464771 say that you aren't improving, but what did your figures look like 6 months ago? I am willing to bet that you have improved if you compare then and now.

[Anonymous No.7464803]

It feels like no matter what I do I just can't understand perspective

[Anonymous No.7464811]

>>7464779
i heard activities like this helps understanding colors
just did one but idk if this would help a lot

[Anonymous No.7464825]

is it actually worth doing circles and stuff?
I haven't done any of those control type exercises

[Anonymous No.7464827]

Portrait for the day. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.7464834]

>>7464811
I don't know what's on the picture, but probably getting a primer on the theory from Marco Bucci or someone else and doing some kind of observational practice( aka study aka copy) is the way.


>>7464827
cute

[Anonymous No.7464845]

>>7464825
It depends on who you ask. Someone like Feng Zhu would say do it forever. Japanese guy in a hat says don't waste too much time on it.

[Anonymous No.7464849]

>>7464794
don't feel so bad anon, look at this garbage i produced in a whole hour.

[Anonymous No.7464852]

>>7464849
omg i even forgot the right arm

[Anonymous No.7464855]

not really convincing

>>7464834
thanks

[Anonymous No.7464862]

>>7464447
Nice ref, guess I'll try the ballet girl now

[Anonymous No.7464872]

>>7464794
How long have you been drawing for and how long do you usually draw during each session?

[Anonymous No.7464877]

Unless thread mama returns, I already now what I'm using as next thread's picture.

>>7464790
very good but I get the feeling you struggle with hands and feet, you've also got some chicken lines.
6/10

>>7464774
the crotch area looks awkward but very cute style desu.
7/10

>>7464727
please try drawing with a fineliner and practice 30sec sketches.
4/10

[Anonymous No.7464880]

>>7464877
I had to cut the post because it kept detecting it as spam.

>>7464707
much better than your last try but I'm not rating you because you keep crying.

>>7464476
10/10 and based.

>>7464849
Did you try the Betty method? Can I see more of your sketches?

>>7464560
thanks for you feedback, anon. I'm sorry 4chan is such a bitch to you. It's also being a bitch to me right now, I keep getting a Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.

[Anonymous No.7464887]

>>7464880
sorry what is the betty method? also why do you wanna see more sketches?

[Anonymous No.7464889]

>>7464827
Uncanny.

[Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.7464892]

>>7464725
Yeah its my little angel OC, thanks.

[Anonymous No.7464895]

>>7464887
I'm talking about "Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain". It's very good for beginners, just ignore the pseudoscience bullshit and do the exercises.
I was asking because it seems you didn't use any guides or boxes. You just rawdogged the thing and I was curious to see more.

>>7464774
Can't believe I just criticized your crotch and mine also looks weird.

>>7464779
In my opinion, you're dangerously close to not belonging to these generals.

[Anonymous No.7464898]

>>7464887
it's not a good method. It only teaches you to copy mindlessly. Try learning the fundamentals instead if you want to make original art.

[Anonymous No.7464901]

>>7464895
oh i didn't use any construction but i did have a lighter sketch below, the camera just didn't pick it up.

[Anonymous No.7464908]

>>7464862
I always run out of space at the bottom of the pic...

[Anonymous No.7464916]

>>7464827
the eye on the right seems like it's a tiny bit too large and not placed quite right. try lasso selecting it maybe you can find a better position.

[Anonymous No.7464920]

i didnt' draw SHIT today

[Anonymous No.7464932]

how am i doing? i haven't rendered digitally in a while, what program should i use to maximize my potential?

[Anonymous No.7464950]

>>7464438
you got that minus8 energy, I like

[Anonymous No.7464954]

>>7464790
Tried inking and shading for the hell of it and lost all the soul in the process.

[Anonymous No.7464960]

am I going about this the right way?

[Anonymous No.7464976]

not so familiar with male shapes

[Anonymous No.7464978]

>>7464877
Yeah I struggle a lot with anatomy and perspective, so the crotch confused the hell out of me. Good work anon. I wish anatomy was easier to learn

[Anonymous No.7464986]

>>7464932
His legs arent supporting him enough for that pose to be comfortable. Either the railing has to be tall enough for him to lean back on it or he has to sit on it.

[Anonymous No.7464996]

>>7464986
This drove me nuts while reading JoJo, half of the poses in there were imbalanced.

[Anonymous No.7465003]

male bodies are way harder to draw
:s

[Anonymous No.7465007]

>>7465003
Why are you here if you just boast without giving advice

[Anonymous No.7465009]

>>7464986
you're right, to a trained eye the pose is very unnatural, i just did a sketch on a whim and decided to render it without checking it. i didn't use a reference or anything. however i just tried doing the pose myself leaning on a windowsill just like him and i didn't immediately notice it being very uncomfortable, so i don't know.

[Anonymous No.7465010]

>>7464880
Thank you for appreciating everyone and giving advice to everyone except me, and also insulting and spitting on me, this should really help me, it’s amazing, you all draw this ref almost the same and very well

[Anonymous No.7465011]

>>7464960
looks like you more or less grasped the form of your reference
>>7464954
>lost all the soul in the process.
I'd disagree
>>7464677
cool. Are you going to paint the stream of water from their mouths? seems like it would be tough to get the ripples right

[Anonymous No.7465012]

>>7465007
i have nothing to advice
im here for random references i can draw because i am a lazy fuck

[Anonymous No.7465015]

>>7464954
looks better

[Anonymous No.7465017]

>>7464849
>>7464908
>>7464954
You all have the right torso and pelvis, lying talented scum, don’t pretend it’s bad

[Anonymous No.7465018]

>>7465012

[Anonymous No.7465022]

>>7464470
This is my third attempt.

[Anonymous No.7465025]

>>7464703
>>7464715
>>7464717
>>7464978
ok, now make a medaillion out of it and wear it arround your neck

[Anonymous No.7465026]

>>7465022
Bravo, how beautifully you manage to convey the fucking shape of a fucking pelvis without resorting to fucking balls which cannot be properly placed in a fucking perspective, another scum with talent, fucking why can’t I do this, fucking why does everyone come out with this shit without autistic design like you see this shit like fuck?

[Anonymous No.7465028]

>>7465026
bowl

[Anonymous No.7465030]

>>7464476
am i crazy?
the figure is ok and captures the pose, but that's it, i don't see the huge skill level you all praise

[Anonymous No.7465033]

>>7465026
take your pills and draw

[Anonymous No.7465034]

>>7465025
perfect idea but i think he's too heavy

[Anonymous No.7465039]

>>7465034
>perfect idea
oh no
>but i think he's too heavy
thank God

[Anonymous No.7465042]

>>7465030
He draws better than me and the other anon, also most of them do it well, I don’t understand how
>>7465028
What's the bowl? A bowl instead of a basin box?
>>7465033
I'm not pretending, I'm just depressed, most /beg/ in the thread mastered this ref, but not me

[Anonymous No.7465045]

>>7465026
Forget perspective when you're drawing from reference. Just try to draw the curves from the image in the right places relative to each other and then use perspective to figure out why that works and make adjustments.

[Anonymous No.7465054]

>>7464462
>the Japanese propaganda of soft power,
I recognize this retard. This is the theoretical creativity schizo. Someone ask this dumbass about his schizo theory, it's really funny.

[Anonymous No.7465058]

what's the best way to scale down a reference so it fits a smaller character?

[Anonymous No.7465064]

am i doing this right?

[Anonymous No.7465068]

>>7465054
Under every video about World War II and Japan, a bunch of neto-uyo animals blame America and Europe, presenting themselves as victims, the meaning of the text of Senbonzakura, revisionism and historical vacuum, duplicity as part of the mentality, an attempt to whitewash oneself through kawaii culture, if you are stupid and don’t understand or if you get into this then go fuck yourself, weeb cattle

[Anonymous No.7465070]

>>7465058
wtf lol
i cant even process the sentence itself

[Anonymous No.7465071]

>>7464598
update, lined and coloured

Hands are total dogshit but that’s okay I know they’re a skill I haven’t learned yet

[Anonymous No.7465074]

>>7465070
I'd like to draw characters with this body type. How can I scale down my references to suit this?

[Anonymous No.7465075]

>>7465074
oh shit wrong quote
it was intended for
>>7465068

[Anonymous No.7465077]

>>7465039
he is my wife i would wear him if i could

[Anonymous No.7465083]

>>7465074
most people who draw characters like these use references of children

[Anonymous No.7465084]

>>7465074
Just use transform tool and liquify until the proportions are what you want

[Anonymous No.7465091]

[Anonymous No.7465105]

>>7465083
I'd rather not.
>>7465084
Dumb question, but should this be done with the reference? Or with my already drawn sketch / doodle?

[Anonymous No.7465107]

>>7465071
the boots look too heavy and combat type for the bowties to work on them. You probably went for heavier boots to pair them with her more boyish pants. I guess you wanted the bowties on the boots to add more points of interest on that area and pull the look back into more cute than boyish, but I think it doesn't work too well. It would work better with a bit more elegant or cute heel-/boots if you wanna keep the bowties. Your previous sketch showed them as those more pointy types also the bowties were placed above the ankle and had ribbons.

[Anonymous No.7465108]

>>7465105
Your sketch. You make an initial sketch using the reference. Then you transform, liquify and redraw until the proportions look good.

[Anonymous No.7465113]

>>7465108
this sounds fun. thank you for the advice. I'll post my work when Im done later

[Anonymous No.7465114]

>>7465064
Mating press.

[Anonymous No.7465119]

Who's gonna explain it to them.

[Anonymous No.7465123]

>>7465119
nice one lol

[Anonymous No.7465125]

>>7465119
>They'll said
Just do the shit in your native language

[Anonymous No.7465137]

>>7465119
wrong. i jerk off to all my drawings, nothing goes to waste.

[Anonymous No.7465145]

>>7465119
>wwww

>>7465125
he's a nip

[Anonymous No.7465148]

>>7464932
Nice coloring and cute husbando, is he an OC?
I think there's something wrong with the legs, I tried liquifying it but it came out worse. Maybe you could try asking in the redlines thread.

>>7465125
Don't be mean, anon. Can't you see she's jap and struggling with eigo? It's not her fault you can't draw her hip.

[Anonymous No.7465149]

Can I get better drawing like once a week? I fucking hate drawing

[Anonymous No.7465151]

>>7465149
no. bare minimum of a few hours a day.

[Anonymous No.7465157]

>>7465148
>is he an OC?
wtf do people not know ashita no joe anymore, i feel like a fossil lol, also thank you
i also feel like there's something wrong with his right leg. it's supposed to be resting on the bottom railing but to me it kind of looks like it's floating in front of it and not resting on anything. i'd like recreate the pose in 3d but i don't know how. i guess i'll go ask the redline thread

[Anonymous No.7465159]

>>7465149
Yes, it's just gonna take a bit longer. But why draw if you hate it?
>>7465071
Nice work anon, personally I liked the bigger smile though. Why'd you change it?
>but that’s okay I know they’re a skill I haven’t learned yet
gmi attitude

[Anonymous No.7465186]

Just dosed 300mg DXM Hbr to get my mind into that low, first plateau, "free play"learning mode. feels good mane. I am rewatching Vilppu's head videos and wow, a lot of stuff I'd forgotten.

Side note, I don't know if anyone else struggles with looking at digital, or feel like your digital lineart doesn't come through like your traditional: Try inverting the colors on your monitor + grayscaling it and drawing in "chalkboard mode" where your white is basically black, because you know once you finish you just re invert the colors on your display and viola, you were drawing in the correct normal way all this time!
This really only works for lineart though, if you try to do it with colors inverted you'll go a little crazy i find.

[Anonymous No.7465198]

>>7464447
I stopped enjoying this one almost immediately so I'm going to take a break from figures I think.

[Anonymous No.7465203]

>>7465159
>>7465107
Some quick tweaks! Agree with the boots, they’re heavy and rounded in the reference but I did screw up the bows too. I think these pointier brown ones look better though.

Smile is back! Tried a few different mouths so I used this as a practice opportunity. Changed it because I got moody I Guess lmao

>gmi attitude
>hope springs eternal

[Anonymous No.7465210]

>>7464447

[Anonymous No.7465213]

20 minutes is plenty of practice for the day. How bout you and I go play some videogames? We'll have some potato chips too. You have years to improve, so what's the big deal?

[Anonymous No.7465216]

>>7465186
Will mention not to to do a dose like that unless you have weed on the side to smoke because the nausea from those 6 dollar whatever dye free Robitussin knock off CVS brand syrups + gelcaps is palpable. You want to smoke weed if its your first time, but ultimately, throwing up DXM is part of the trip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-XBTHiBHY
if you try to tackle it without the weed, its harsh man. You can, try to hold it down, but when yo ufeel nauseas, just puke it up bro.

[Anonymous No.7465218]

>>7465213
>You have years to improve, so what's the big deal?
this, but unironically

[Anonymous No.7465229]

>>7465213
is this supposed to be that one chick from instagram reels?

[Anonymous No.7465232]

>>7465203
cute

[Anonymous No.7465277]

>>7464825
only like 10 mins or so as a warmup, it's too mindless and boring.

[Anonymous No.7465289]

>>7464470
>literally everyone itt is drawing the her
that's a really hard pose to get right especially the head/neck position.

>>7465203
nice, i think you did a good job making it work all together in the end

>>7465186
siiiick profile view

[Anonymous No.7465292]

About to ink this, but i think i need to take another look at frog limbs

[Anonymous No.7465297]

>>7465289
>siiiick profile view
meant for
>>7465159

[Anonymous No.7465313]

A quick fukt sketch before bed because I don't feel like drawing and probably never should again

[Anonymous No.7465320]

>>7465198
this is great, how's you get the pose so accurate?

[Anonymous No.7465348]

if i am drawing in pen and paper do i really need to use proko's faggy overhand grip?
is tripod fine?

[Anonymous No.7465352]

I have no idea how to fucking angle his legs or draw from this perspective or find a relevant reference.ccan anyone help please.

[Anonymous No.7465360]

>>7465352
I'm ngmi. Am I bros.

[Anonymous No.7465362]

>>7465313
>>7465352
The dragon monster thing looks cool but you really need to work on human proportions, she looks like an alien

[Anonymous No.7465379]

>>7465362
I hear you I'm trying hard to get them down. I've got something for you guys to tear apart though. Behold

[Anonymous No.7465407]

[Anonymous No.7465421]

i'm suddenly ass (more than usual) when switching between programs.
how frustrating

[Anonymous No.7465427]

>>7465421
then don't switch programs

[Anonymous No.7465455]

I ended up going back to my usual coloring style so I'd say I failed at studying other artist's styles. My favorite part of finishing any drawing is putting it side by side with the first rough sketch.

[Anonymous No.7465466]

Hahaha fuck you I was just pretending retard

[Anonymous No.7465469]

>>7465455
Finished one looks amazing!

[Anonymous No.7465470]

t'au longshank wip
left hand is kinda fucked

[Anonymous No.7465472]

Did something different and blocked out the body before lining this time, I think it's looking good so far. Thoughts? Not really sure what to do next though

[Anonymous No.7465495]

first legs drawing (ignore the feet)

[Anonymous No.7465620]

Ave
Pen tablet is so much harder than pencils
Also I know the laurel looks like shit I got bored this took me way longer than it should have

[Anonymous No.7465663]

>>7465455
i love the rough sketch actually, saved

[Anonymous No.7465672]

I don't get why people don't invent an overhand/underhand grip attachmen for wacom pens. Like 3D print it or something. Surely it would make the transition easier, and possibly better ergonomically.

[Anonymous No.7465683]

portrait came out awful but its midnight and time to shleep

[Anonymous No.7465695]

>>7465213
Anon, I try to draw. I'm busy most of the time. I clock in 1-2 hours of drawing on Saturday and Sunday, and then I draw every day for 30-20 minutes. YES, I'M BLOGPOSTING, FUCK YOU. You can suck my cock.

[Anonymous No.7465727]

>>7465683
Why don't you draw the rest of the head?

[Anonymous No.7465732]

Would appreciate tips or advice

[Anonymous No.7465733]

and the timelapse rofl

[Anonymous No.7465735]

give me an artist to style study

[Anonymous No.7465737]

i am currently going through draw a box
is new masters academy worth it?

[Anonymous No.7465738]

>>7465735
kodyboy555

[Anonymous No.7465745]

>>7465738
thanks for the recc anon

[Anonymous No.7465752]

m

[Anonymous No.7465762]

how do i know if i've learned enough fundies to move on to something else?

[Anonymous No.7465764]

>>7465762
try drawing

[Anonymous No.7465781]

>>7465762
All you need is observational skills. If you know how to copy you can draw everything with enough resources.
If you get into the mindset of grinding your fundies you're on the way to self destruct. In the worst case it's like trying to become a fighter by doing martial arts katas only.
Plan a drawing, identify what you have issues with and then isolate those parts as studies and immediately try to apply it to your project.
Use all the tools that aren't outright tracing to achieve it. Use as much reference as you can possibly get unless you absolutely don't need it. Don't expect it to be a fast process especially when you lack skills.
I'm gonna repeat you will have to understand and have experience with observational techniques. If there's a single fundie you should do it's bargue.

[Anonymous No.7465783]

>>7465320
Thanks, the best thing I've found for getting things accurate is checking negative space a lot and starting from the torso to use it as a reference point. Negative space is probably the main thing through.

[Anonymous No.7465785]

>>7465781
that makes sense thank you

[Anonymous No.7465790]

>>7465762
You can never have enough fundies so you should move on whenever you feel like it. Realistically you'll spend your whole life revisiting them, so it's more important to find satisfaction in what you're doing so you can practice consistently and not burn out.

>>7465752
This is cool, it makes me want to try compositional stuff.

>>7465733
You should stop trying to line your drawings for a bit. It looks like you rushed ahead on a shaky foundation because you want to follow a prescribed digital process. Practice sketching things well first and avoid tracing over your lines until you build up confidence. You should try using an eraser instead of undo as well since it'll help you be more mindful about what you're doing and it's an active drawing tool instead of just a delete.

[Anonymous No.7465797]

>>7465738
Can I have one too?

>>7465683
Faces are one of the hardest things to draw nicely and you've done a good job. you've layered your colours in an appealing way but the face is sliding off to the left a bit. Flipping the drawing and taking breaks from looking at it is the best cure for that.

>>7465620
Using Hard Round is praiseworthy, especially if you're not used to digital. You can get cleaner shapes if you cut into them with an eraser.

I'm not sure what's a worse feeling when you draw, boredom or frustration. Probably boredom.

[Anonymous No.7465800]

I feel like there is a clash between different classes, like mages and archers (these are arbitrary examples)So, a mage says that you need to draw a pentagram and recite a spell for conjuration. And the archer says, Who needs a pentagram? You should have a strong back and watch the wind direction.

[Anonymous No.7465803]

[Anonymous No.7465806]

>>7465800
I get what you're saying. I don't think either is wrong, just different.

>>7465472
This looks like the beginning of an ambient occlusion study so that's where my mind went. It looks good, cohesive.

>>7465470
I really like your weird proportions, but it looks a bit like hes wearing high heels and the stance is a touch feminine.

>>7465455
The finished one is really good but I kinda like the dopey face on the sketch more.

>>7465379
Is that proko's kangaroo?

[Anonymous No.7465807]

>>7465797
>Can I have one too?
penguindareangel12

[Anonymous No.7465808]

>>7465762
never

[Anonymous No.7465815]

>>7465790
>It looks like you rushed ahead on a shaky foundation because you want to follow a prescribed digital process

i have no fundations and have no thought process, i don't even have a self-monologue when i draw, i just try to imagine something that looks cool and then proceed to fix.

[Anonymous No.7465850]

>>7465297
I wish I could take full credit for it, but it was just a copy. Still ended up pretty good though, so thanks

[Anonymous No.7465888]

trying oil painting for the first time

[Anonymous No.7465890]

>>7465806
>I don't think either is wrong, just different.
Yes, but one is trying to summon a succubus and the other is to hit a target. It is assumed that there is no difference, but there is a difference and when one lectures another, it makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.7465903]

>>7465806
That's definitely his kangaroo hahaha

[Anonymous No.7465938]

Hi. Does this look traced?

[Anonymous No.7465939]

>>7465938
no

[Anonymous No.7465942]

hmm

[Anonymous No.7465946]

Posting this again because im proud of it

[Anonymous No.7465958]

lmao idk what i was thinking when i decided to try this ref but i am not fucking ready.

[Anonymous No.7465960]

>>7465938
yes

[Anonymous No.7465966]

>>7465938
maybe

[Anonymous No.7465967]

>>7465938
but is it?

[Anonymous No.7465974]

>>7465958
At least you tried :)

[Anonymous No.7465983]

>>7464470
Starting loomis figure drawing today

[Anonymous No.7465985]

Thoughts? No reference used. My drawing set up is really bad right now so it's much more convenient to be drawing from imagination. Because
>parents
>no desk
>no computer

[Anonymous No.7465986]

>>7465985
just open up a reference on your phone and put it next to your sketchbook man

[Anonymous No.7465991]

reproj

[Anonymous No.7465995]

maybe this is more accurate

[Anonymous No.7465999]

how to paint like this? it's simple but i like
i tried painting but i suck

[Anonymous No.7466004]

>>7465999
notice the gradient?
that is an estimation of the global illumination

[Anonymous No.7466010]

>>7465999
Oops artist made big mistake and accidently draw penis for woman too. That's beginner error

[Anonymous No.7466014]

>>7465999
You have to start with Loomis.

[Anonymous No.7466015]

>>7465967
Obviously, why would I ask otherwise.

[Anonymous No.7466016]

mouthwashing

[Anonymous No.7466021]

>>7466015
you never know

[Anonymous No.7466032]

>>7465803
charming

[Anonymous No.7466038]

This is basically my first painted portrait and I'm quite pleased that there is a decent likeness to the original but I have no idea what to do next frankly I don't even know what I was doing before and I have no idea how to do the hair.

[Anonymous No.7466056]

>>7465938
reminds me of my traced stuff so yes

[Anonymous No.7466057]

first time on /ic/ so be extra mean. need construction advice/critique for this sketch. I especially dislike the legs, her feet. the shoes look off, can't visualize the right orientation, or perhaps the problem stems from how the legs are positioned.

[Anonymous No.7466058]

>>7466057
cant help with what's wrong but its very nice

[Anonymous No.7466063]

After weeks of bashing my head against everything I can find on fabric folds and getting nowhere I've finally realized they're not so bad if you picture the original state of the fabric and then transform it step by step with tension and gravity instead of trying to magically derive the folds straight from tension and gravity. I feel stupid now.

[Anonymous No.7466065]

>>7464447

[Anonymous No.7466073]

is construction important? or necessary? or can i just ignore it? when are you supposed to use it or not?

[Anonymous No.7466083]

>>7466073
fuck off

[Anonymous No.7466085]

>>7466083
what?

[Anonymous No.7466086]

>>7464447
the socks ruined it

[Anonymous No.7466110]

>>7465807
where to even start...

[Anonymous No.7466112]

>>7464447
this reference doesn't make my penis hard enough for me to keep focusing on it so I give up

[Anonymous No.7466153]

Can someone help me ? I can’t get the spitting expression right

[Anonymous No.7466170]

>>7464470
my attempt

[Anonymous No.7466183]

Last time anon told me to do some loomies so I followed along. I wanna try and do something every other day or so

any critique or feedback is welcome, thx anons

[Anonymous No.7466186]

>>7466183
Learn loomis well and THEN jump to stylization. If you want to learn anime learn from anime resources.

[Anonymous No.7466203]

>>7465999
whats your prompt anon

[Anonymous No.7466222]

quick meme redraw thing for a friend

[Anonymous No.7466241]

hhh

[Anonymous No.7466246]

>>7465938
can you repeat the question?

[Anonymous No.7466248]

I still can’t draw this ref, I don’t understand how to position the torso and pelvis, I don’t know how you do it, I’m not trolling, I really hate it, fuck all talented faggots...

[Anonymous No.7466268]

>>7466248
>I’m not trolling, I really hate it, fuck all talented faggots...
I hope you're trolling.
It doesn't even matter what you draw if you measure.
Let me guess your process is to start with a form like the head and then you try to draw other connecting forms.

[Anonymous No.7466273]

>>7466246
you're not the boss of me now

[Anonymous No.7466277]

>>7466268
No, I’m not trolling, first the head, then the rotation of the torso, then a difficulty arises with the space between the torso and the pelvis, the pelvis itself is located very strangely, it’s impossible to draw a line of the spine to it, it’s impossible to imagine it as a meaningful structure and connect it with the torso from such an angle, you have to draw the beginning of the legs and add the pelvis to them

[Anonymous No.7466280]

>>7466248
There's many ways to start but you can simplify things with an envelope. Remove the negative space. Much easier to measure. Once you have it measured you can go loose and fill in forms without having to worry about proportions too much anymore.
This is a beg thread and there's much better artists taking their time measuring proportions before laying down anything.

[Anonymous No.7466281]

>>7464470
Fuck drawing. Shitty hobby.

[Anonymous No.7466283]

>>7466277
I think the leg on top being raised towards the head is throwing off your sense of where the pelvis is. Focus on the leg that's touching the floor and then add the other leg.

[Anonymous No.7466284]

>>7466222
cute

[Anonymous No.7466289]

>>7466280
>>7466283
The torso and pelvis, the perspective of the lying torso, the curved abdomen and sides and the pressing pelvis, these three aspects are dead-end

[Anonymous No.7466302]

>>7466186
Isn't it a bad idea to just jump straight into anime resources/got any good ones, then?

[Anonymous No.7466310]

>>7466112
What are you into? I'll take a request for the next thread

[Anonymous No.7466313]

>>7466289
Have you tried doing the pose yourself?

[Anonymous No.7466315]

>>7466248
the problem you're encountering is forced perspective, refer to pic rel, you can rotate a bent form in a way to make the curve invisible, without shading or wrapping countour lines (which you can implement naturally with drapery) it will look weird, as if the curve isnt there
>>7466280
you cant honestly think this is a good approach

[Anonymous No.7466332]

>>7466315
>>7466248
also you have no right to talk about talent untill you've been drawing for a couple of years

[Anonymous No.7466337]

pencils are kinda cool

[Anonymous No.7466345]

>>7464447

[Anonymous No.7466347]

>>7466302
Look at all the drawings of this reference, especially this one>>7464476 this anon didn’t think about fucking bags with curves, didn’t use a trapezoid in the pelvis like I do now, he called himself /beg/ and said not to take advice from him, look at the drawings of all the other anons, they are all better than the crap that I draw, besides, I’m not pretending

[Anonymous No.7466350]

i know you're supposed to >just draw and >just put yourself out there, but if you want to make it, what do you anons think should be the time split between improving and marketing, 50/50?
do you think there's a skill level which makes the latter trivial?

[Anonymous No.7466351]

>>7466345
Yes, look at this>>7466347 fucking trapezoid inside the pelvis, even returning to autism of crooked boxes does not help, you can secretly brag and be proud of yourself, talented worm

[Anonymous No.7466352]

>>7466315
of course i posted an actual explanation and solution so the schizo faggot isnt responding, fuck him

[Anonymous No.7466359]

>>7466352
Here is your bag with a bend without forced perspective, picture on the left >>7466347

[Anonymous No.7466361]

>>7466359
fuck off schizo retard, everyone got's talent but you because everyone's not a 90iq retard who can't read like you, bye

[Anonymous No.7466365]

>>7466361
Thanks for the effective advice, disgusting faпggot, your bags don't do anything

[Anonymous No.7466370]

>>7466365
nothing will do anything for you because you're a retard and a surgeon could transplant kim jung gi's hands to you and you wouldn't be able to draw shit anyway
quit and don't come back

[Anonymous No.7466371]

Is line confidence gained ? how much should I worry about it?
I keep relying on CTRL+Z and hideous chicken scratches to get anything tangible as I get used to my tablet / overall drawing process.

[Anonymous No.7466372]

>>7466345
How the fuck did you arrange this sketch without construction?

[Anonymous No.7466377]

>>7465198
Amazing

[Anonymous No.7466378]

I feel like every post here should be required to have how long you've been drawing and the split between actual practice vs just drawing for fun in it so people can tell if you're an actual NGMI or just a whinny bitch.

[Anonymous No.7466380]

>>7466370
What am I doing wrong? Tell me, okay, what’s my mistake, that all the fucking bastards draw this damn ref better? Your fucking curved beans don't help, try using them yourself

[Anonymous No.7466385]

>>7466371
thats unavoidable with a tablet because it has no traction
dont listen to crabs telling you to that using a tool is bad, every great digital artist uses ctrl z and confidence is not gained by throwing yourself into the line of fire it's gained by getting better, you wont get better by not using ctrl z, you'll use ctrl z less when you get better
>>7466380
the bean is exactly what you shouldn't have been drawing you retard, that was the point of the picture, it showed you the failstate and the post gave you 2 ways to avoid it, but you're a retard that can't read or comprehend so it doesn't matter, leave, throw out your pencil and get on welfare because you're legally retarded

[Anonymous No.7466391]

>>7465727
like the hair? maybe it would look better if i did...

[Anonymous No.7466397]

i copied outline instead of thinking in 3d

[Anonymous No.7466399]

>>7466310
Just more cutesy women, she's attractive it's just not her best pose. One of a girl with bangs would be great

[Anonymous No.7466403]

>>7466397
Me everytime

[Anonymous No.7466406]

>>7466397
>>7466397
it doesn’t matter as long as theoutcome looks good

[Anonymous No.7466414]

>explicitly drawing the horizon line makes drawing more intuitive?
why do most people insist on drawing characters in the void? horizon line and eye level matters a lot to make any curve look right

[Anonymous No.7466416]

I can't improve.

[Anonymous No.7466421]

>>7466416
Come to terms with your homosexuality and you'll be free to get better at drawing, or any other hobby.

[Anonymous No.7466433]

The only winning move is not to draw.

[Anonymous No.7466437]

>>7466385
What should I draw? Straight oval? How to draw a pelvis, you can clearly see the bend in the ref, you're a stupid idiot who can't explain clearly

[Anonymous No.7466438]

>>7466433
but can I draw *and* still whine?

[Anonymous No.7466450]

the only winning move is to draw

[Anonymous No.7466452]

Almost done

[Anonymous No.7466466]

>>7466450
I dressed exactly like this today stop copying me whore

[Anonymous No.7466469]

>>7466284
thanks

[Anonymous No.7466472]

>>7466433
My art gains SKYROCKETED when I just decided to not draw. The meta is to not draw for extended periods of time.

[Anonymous No.7466478]

>>7466466
post pics as refs for me
also its a boy dont call him a whore

[Anonymous No.7466480]

[Anonymous No.7466501]

>>7466315
Why not? How else are you gonna get proportions right as a beginner?

[Anonymous No.7466503]

i don't want to color.......................such a pain

[Anonymous No.7466505]

[Anonymous No.7466506]

>>7466503
...so don't?

[Anonymous No.7466507]

>>7466506
lineart only is boring

[Anonymous No.7466515]

>>7466452
file size is 666 lol

[Anonymous No.7466539]

>>7466452
how many boxes to reach this rendering level?

[Anonymous No.7466562]

>>7466478
>draw a girl
>call it a guy
Not this again.

[Anonymous No.7466564]

[Anonymous No.7466567]

>>7466562
nta, but how is it not a guy? Looks like the average anime teen boy to me

[Anonymous No.7466568]

>>7466539
idk but i drew hella lot of boxes in my life and was polishing turds before i could even draw straigh lines.

[Anonymous No.7466572]

>>7466562
Faggots draw males with feminine features all the time for some reason.

[Anonymous No.7466573]

>>7466562
not my character, its a guy. pic rel is from the manga

[Anonymous No.7466575]

It's all coming together

[Anonymous No.7466576]

>>7466572
it's probably because a lot of people draw nothing but girls so when they have to draw a guy it ends up looking more feminine

[Anonymous No.7466579]

>>7466576
I only draw guys lol
I didnt mean to make him look like a girl. jeez.
i am gay tho so the other anon might be on to something

[Anonymous No.7466580]

>>7466478
Bro... PLEASE say sike. I already 'bated to that picture. PLEASE

[Anonymous No.7466582]

>>7466580
Lmfao youre gay now bro

[Anonymous No.7466583]

>>7466576
Faggots as in homosexuals, not just anon general population

[Anonymous No.7466585]

>>7466580
big gay homo

[Anonymous No.7466588]

I keep getting renderMOGGED. I've already grinded and studied draftsmanship to hell and back, but how do rendergods train/study?

[Anonymous No.7466592]

>>7466588
i also want to know this
i suck at using color and planes

[Anonymous No.7466594]

>>7466588
You have to listen to Steven Zapata's pseudophilosophical ramblings for at least 10.000 hours

[Anonymous No.7466597]

everyone shut up!!!
look at this rat

[Anonymous No.7466600]

>>7466597
epic. we need more animals in these threads.

[Anonymous No.7466604]

>>7466597
Cute. Look at his little bowtie!

[Anonymous No.7466610]

>>7466564
awesome
>>7466503
me on the left

[Anonymous No.7466653]

>>7464470

[Anonymous No.7466685]

>>7466653
Females should look like this at all times

[Anonymous No.7466692]

i don't want to shade..........such a pain

[Anonymous No.7466703]

>>7466692
somebody once

[Anonymous No.7466722]

how does this look?

[Anonymous No.7466744]

>>7466452
What brushes did you use for coloring?

[Anonymous No.7466749]

>>7466722
Looks nice, nice colors. I love that scene from clannad.

[Anonymous No.7466763]

done

[Anonymous No.7466775]

>>7466575
yeah those look better than the last ones I saw. most of them are the at the same angle, try changing it up more.

[Anonymous No.7466788]

>>7466763
who is this character? and do you plan to do more with her?

[Anonymous No.7466792]

what is the best way to understand line variation? my line width is too thick throughout making it look more amateur

[Anonymous No.7466795]

>>7466788
that's clash royale porn anon. it's the princess

[Anonymous No.7466796]

Don't feel like drawing but I recently made a vow to draw everyday so here's my shiet

[Anonymous No.7466806]

Are there any comics or manga you think give you passive gains? Like just from seeing the human form in different poses over and over. I wanna say Slam Dunk but I haven't read many sports manga. Lots of Western comics are all about the figure though, for example I found a large collection of Question comics at the library, while reading it it kinda occurred to me that it was just figure studies over and over.

[Anonymous No.7466810]

>>7466792
Usually it varies because of lighting, perspective, outlines to emphasize important subjects, where forms touch (ambient occlusion), texture/details/material changes etc. It can differ depending on the medium and style too. So analyze the art with lineart you like, ask why is it thick or thin here and try to imitate their line art.

[Anonymous No.7466814]

>>7466806
akebi chan is the only manga that maybe me wanna study it, it looked quite unique. i do pick up the odd interesting thing from those with good art but passive gains is a stretch, i never feel like i've learned anything.

[Anonymous No.7466826]

Are beg&int threads any different from the draw general?

[Anonymous No.7466827]

>>7466826
We are much more toxic

[Anonymous No.7466828]

>>7466810
Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.7466831]

>>7466810
how does the overtouching technique differeciate from the lighting technique

[Anonymous No.7466839]

>>7466826
Dunno I'm too scared to post there

[Anonymous No.7466840]

Okay I put a bit more effort in

[Anonymous No.7466844]

>>7465806
>ambient occlusion study
how does that work in 2d?

[Anonymous No.7466854]

>>7466831
They are both caused by lighting, so they are related and coincide with each other. When forms overlap and create a crevice, no light can get into the crevice so there will always be a line there, no matter the lighting situation. If the light moved, the lineart for the shadows would change but the crevices wouldn't. Some lineart styles choose not to change the lineart when the lighting changes but will still have the lines or implied lines for the crevices. Where an object meets the ground plane is a very common situation where you can put a line for the crevice, instantly grounds the object to the surface it's on.

[Anonymous No.7466856]

I'm not gonna make it....

[Anonymous No.7466862]

>>7466854
not that guy but perfect timing for the post above yours, thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.7466883]

>>7466826
you must be open to be bullied to post here, in the /draw/ thread it's about showing off

[Anonymous No.7466886]

>>7466421
Can you give me normal critique?

[Anonymous No.7466906]

the transform + liquefy method was pretty effective I think.
i forgot what pen size I had half way through and so the lines look shitty.

[Anonymous No.7466947]

[Anonymous No.7466953]

here's a small collage of what I've done recently
do I need to work more on gesture?

[Anonymous No.7466954]

>>7466744
im using cube brush from Marc Brunet, just slightly edited to my liking.

[Anonymous No.7466957]

>>7466953
nice bait

[Anonymous No.7466958]

>>7466957
this isn't bait

[Anonymous No.7466960]

>>7466953

[Anonymous No.7466979]

Guys. I ama fraid I may be permabeg.
I just havent improved at all.

[Anonymous No.7467002]

So if you autistically copy shit you like over and over you will eventually be able to draw your own shit?
How many years before I can draw anything other than mediocrely plagiarized crap?
Am I right feeling suicidal because I cant sightsize copy this sketch the artist made fucking blind?

[Anonymous No.7467005]

>>7467002
>So if you autistically copy shit you like over and over you will eventually be able to draw your own shit?
This is why drawing from memory exercise is important. Check the reference, close it, draw from memory.
It trains you to draw from the picture in your head.
If you can do that, then of course you can draw from your own imagination.

[Anonymous No.7467006]

>>7466515
>>7466452
Begone you semen demon!

[Anonymous No.7467009]

I love Mecha!! Any tips on doing mechanical details? Or suggestions on what I should practice?

[Anonymous No.7467011]

>>7467009

[Anonymous No.7467016]

>>7467002
wheres that left sketch from?

[Anonymous No.7467020]

>>7467002
>nose and mouth are both literal dots
>completely mismeasure it anyways
animefags cant be real. maybe you actually should do that connect the dots thing that keeps getting spammed

[Anonymous No.7467045]

>>7466501
is you're telling him to measure negative space, not proportions, so your point doesn't even make sense, it's self defeating
Proportions are the body measurements in relation to each-other, not the abstract negative spaces that are formed depending on the specific angle, he will get proportions correctly by the fact that he's copying the 2d shapes exactly, but he still won't know what the proportions are

[Anonymous No.7467047]

>>7467045
archers and mages

[Anonymous No.7467049]

>>7467047
yes, two different approaches, except one approach is for making copies and the other approach is for studying, nobody wants to be a copyfag, people want to be studyfags that know shit and dont need reference for everything

[Anonymous No.7467062]

>>7467049
>nobody wants to be a copyfag, people want to be studyfags that know shit and dont need reference for everything

except these who believe otherwise. and you two will have different approach and what you even doing
>>7466406 believe the goal is effective reproduction of an image

[Anonymous No.7467064]

>>7467062
oh youre the schizo esl, go kill yourself

[Anonymous No.7467076]

>>7464394
Just realized how big she was compared to the car. WiP.

What else stands out as bad?

[Anonymous No.7467079]

it's okay to not get how to draw a specific pose when you first attempt it.
just take a break from it and draw something else.
come back to what stumped you later.
and most importantly: have fun!

[Anonymous No.7467080]

>>7467076
Where's her left leg supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.7467083]

>>7467080
?

You're right tho the legs are fucked.

[Anonymous No.7467084]

>>7467083
that anon is right, her leg is phasing into the car, she can't be in front of it and reaching the fuel tank

[Anonymous No.7467089]

you can do both study and copy.

[Anonymous No.7467092]

man ive been realizing just how expensive trad supplies are, in 10 months i'd expend enough to buy a screen tablet and not have to worry about supplies anymore...

[Anonymous No.7467094]

>>7467084
Yeah I see what you mean. Thanks friend.

[Anonymous No.7467104]

>>7466854
this is method based on real time GI approximation
it makes good looking result in a tight time window
also it is better to consider 'bounced light' as roughly localised lightmap instead if taking it literally
and rim light iirc comes from the fresnel term and sometimes can be extremely inaccurate depending on the material
i have not so much experience in drawing but just speaking in terms of graphics

[Anonymous No.7467118]

>>7467104
A lot of the terms get conflated because 3D engines/shaders had to use simplified/combined versions. Pretty sure rim lighting was a photography term first. Rim lighting is from an extra light on the rim of the object. Fresnel is from the Fresnel Effect which is about how light reflects off surfaces at certain angles. So it depends on what the material is made from and where you view it from. Sometimes these were combined into one shader, and one term was used for both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmGrbEepFG4
https://www.dorian-iten.com/fresnel/

[Anonymous No.7467120]

>>7467118
and a rim lighting example for clarity (bottom right).

[Anonymous No.7467122]

>>7467118
not the fresnel effect
the fresnel term of brdf which decides the amount of reflected light and some models overestimate flux density where camera direction and normal gets closer to become perpendicular
and i just assumed rim lighting was that thing instead of literal light
i

[Anonymous No.7467123]

>>7467122
>fresnel term of brdf
>not the fresnel effect
except it is

[Anonymous No.7467124]

>>7467123
oh fuck you are right
i mess things up because for whatever reason i mix up fresnel effect and other fresnel named stuff in my mind

[Anonymous No.7467128]

>>7466788
>and do you plan to do more with her?
no

[Anonymous No.7467130]

About a year of progress. How's it lookin?

[Anonymous No.7467131]

>>7467130
bad

[Anonymous No.7467132]

forgot the image whoopsies

[Anonymous No.7467135]

>>7466953
Your colors are semi decent but you dont know the slightest thing about drawing. Do studies.

[Anonymous No.7467138]

>>7467049
If you can't even copy shapes in proportion how are you supposed to get consistent anatomy proportions in perspective.
They could be making good works right now but instead they grind construction fundies when they haven't even learned to see yet.
Then you get stuff like this >>7466248 and he won't even have the ability to see what's wrong. If you don't even know observational techniques you can't even check why your drawing is off.

Can't even crawl yet they wanna learn how to run.

[Anonymous No.7467140]

>>7467132

[Anonymous No.7467141]

[Anonymous No.7467142]

>>7467138
i learned to copy so long ago that I don't even know if the knowledge helped me or not, what you're saying could be true or could be not, copying might as well just be a parlor trick though

[Anonymous No.7467149]

[Anonymous No.7467161]

>>7467132
looking good

[Anonymous No.7467164]

>>7467141
>>7467149
Excellent.

[Anonymous No.7467174]

somebody give me something to draw please

[Anonymous No.7467177]

>>7467174
draw a white tights gymnast girl.

[Anonymous No.7467178]

>>7467177
no i meant a reference picture. i can't draw from imagination.

[Anonymous No.7467182]

>>7467178

>>7464470

[Anonymous No.7467196]

I don't understand how colour works
>>7467132
I like this

[Anonymous No.7467202]

>>7467196
just use more contrast

[Anonymous No.7467214]

>>7467076
Gonna sleep on it now and see how bad it looks in the morning.

I think I managed to fix up a few small things but think I'll need to take another shot at the legs.

[Anonymous No.7467216]

>>7467132
Looks good. Blog?

[Anonymous No.7467218]

>>7466222
Based Funger enjoyer.

>>7466722
Cozy. Like the other anon said, very nice colours and rendering.

>>7467132
I wish I made this much progress in a year. Bloggu?

>>7466241
Really like the colours and rendering. What's the deal with it tho?

>>7466183
Is that your Rukia? looks good man.

[Anonymous No.7467236]

anyone hungry?

[Anonymous No.7467249]

it's so shit but i spent way too much time on it not to post it. gonna stick to much simpler stuff after this.

[Anonymous No.7467252]

>>7467182
kek

[Anonymous No.7467256]

>>7467249
What was your goal? Staying close to the reference?

[Anonymous No.7467257]

why are halftones so kino?

[Anonymous No.7467261]

>>7467256
yeah i guess. i wanted to see if i could get the buildings kinda correct.

[Anonymous No.7467265]

>>7467149
Poh babyyyy ;O

[Anonymous No.7467270]

how retarded is it to use AI as a reference if everything looks " in place" ?

[Anonymous No.7467271]

>>7467261
You really picked a tedious task. There's no fast way to do it unless you abstract the whole city into splotches of light and shadow.
For accuracy you shouldn't do building by building, but section part of your painting off and then keep subdividing it. If you guess the proportions of every single building and join them together errors will compound.

[Anonymous No.7467274]

>>7467271
yeah subdividing makes sense. i did building by building and some of them ended up being like 3 times bigger relative to the ones i drew much earlier.

[Anonymous No.7467275]

Almost 3 hours for sketch that's anatomically wrong and little bit of incredibly low quality lineart. I am really mad at myself i am not better.

[Anonymous No.7467277]

How do i make the cape looks actually good here

[Anonymous No.7467281]

>>7467275
Just render without lineart. Saves so much time.

[Anonymous No.7467286]

>>7467275
i like the hair, the mouth feels wrong
also i think it should show part of her head behind/below the ear idk

[Anonymous No.7467293]

>>7467277
it looks more like a shell right now. like one of those nautilus Crustacean
add some breaks

[Anonymous No.7467368]

Draw this sketch for practice, kinda mess but i try to improve

[Anonymous No.7467381]

trying to force myself to commit to a line

[Anonymous No.7467389]

seppuku
>>7467381
not bad, keep going at it anon

[Anonymous No.7467429]

trying to make myself less afraid of more advanced angles by doing shitty drawings from them

[Anonymous No.7467433]

Aaaaa aaaaa

[Anonymous No.7467530]

>>7467277
capes (really any fabric like it) are supposed to have little waves that cover one another. you've gotta imagine the fabric's form, yours has got some folds, but they don't change the outline at
all.

what i'm saying might sound retarded. in that case, i'd recommend simply studying capes in art and IRL.

[Anonymous No.7467534]

>>7467135
>dont know the slightest thing about drawing
okay I'll do more studies then what should I start with

[Anonymous No.7467540]

I could probably make this way better with a bending stump. Awkward second hand study watching 2 artists stream without access to the original.

[Anonymous No.7467543]

I still kinda feel like I'm just drawing characters in voids but i'm glad I can add a little flare to it

[Anonymous No.7467621]

I still kinda feel like I'm just drawing characters in voids but i'm glad I can add a little flare to it

[Anonymous No.7467625]

I'm looking for some artists to try different artstyle / something to emulate.
What is the best way to explore and discover new artists ?

[Anonymous No.7467657]

>>7467625
Spend too much on art supplies for retail therapy dopamine, then look up how to actually use them.

[Anonymous No.7467661]

>>7467132
how did you learn to color?

[Anonymous No.7467671]

[Anonymous No.7467675]

>>7467657
Answered to the wrong post?

[Anonymous No.7467683]

all i make are trash and i wish myself to die tomorrow while i sleep because i am a fucking coward

[Anonymous No.7467685]

>>7467683
You don't have to shit up the board though, leave and die.

[Anonymous No.7467687]

>>7467685
thanks

[Anonymous No.7467692]

[Anonymous No.7467702]

>>7467621
it's great.
I like the coloring especially. What'd you recommend to get as good as you at it (besides practice, naturally)

[Anonymous No.7467703]

>>7467692

[Anonymous No.7467713]

>>7467703

[Anonymous No.7467717]

how would you draw her torso and pelvis with boxes? could i see some examples please? it's confusing me for some reason.

[Anonymous No.7467719]

>>7467713
You monster

[Anonymous No.7467728]

>>7467717
Why is vagina so ugly?

[Anonymous No.7467731]

>>7467621
I really like that

[Anonymous No.7467732]

>>7467702
I was trying to do something like that.
>>7465999

It's like two tones with some lighting on top.

[Anonymous No.7467735]

>>7467728
All fitness chicks have these ugly vulvas. One more reason to prefer a homely chubster

[Anonymous No.7467741]

>>7467196

[Anonymous No.7467752]

>>7467675
No. That's how I find artists. The retard in me buys shit I didn't need, and the jew in me forces me to research how to use it. This exposes me to new artists and new equipment, which I buy without needing, perpetuating the cycle.

[Anonymous No.7467753]

>>7467717
why do some of you always choose to draw women who look like they're on deaths door

[Anonymous No.7467756]

>>7467728
she's old

[Anonymous No.7467758]

>>7467753
she's just at a healthy weight, american

[Anonymous No.7467759]

[Anonymous No.7467762]

>>7467735
I have noticed that non porno nude models tend to turn me off, not just sexually, but to wanting to draw. I don't know what it is, but that's part of it. I just get my drawing subjects from /pol/ slide thread OP images. If they hit the bump limit, you know they work.
Pic is an example. Retarded thread, but a lot of people clicked it.

[Anonymous No.7467775]

>>7467762
its the opposite for me, strange, isn't it

[Anonymous No.7467787]

>>7467785
>>7467785
>>7467785
>>7467785
>>7467785