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The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>7450916

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0GiIM_rGEGPjTGQ4HadH4eizLu5E49Tz&si=gpRcOXt_H1l3shNF [Note: Videos appear to be taken down at the moment - check Habanero]
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

Source of OP image is Vampire Hunter D Chapter 6 Page 8.

>> No.7464078

>>7464077
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>> No.7464080

>>7464078
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>> No.7464081

>>7464080
Current Contests:

Silent Manga Audition 22 "Seized With Rage":
https://www.manga-audition.com/

Worldless World Manga Contest:
https://wordlessmanga.com/eng.html

Global Comics Awards 2024:
https://en.mangadraft.com/contests/global-comic-awards-2024.en

Webtoons 2025 Contest:
https://www.webtoons.com/en/notice/detail?noticeNo=3321

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

>> No.7464184

>>7464077
Vampire Hunter d is probably the coolest thing ever... yeah.

>> No.7464250
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>>7464077
Why haven't you submitted your masterpiece to Jump yet, Anon-kun-tachi?
>https://webtreasure.shonenjump.com/web_mochikomi/register/22
>https://shinman.youngjump.jp/apply2/

>> No.7464257

ah yes the g-pen thread

>> No.7464261

>>7464250
https://afternoon.kodansha.co.jp/award/entry_en.html
think I'll be too busy trying Afternoon

>> No.7464282

>>7464250
I don't fit their demographic. I'm more of an AX guy.

>>7464257
I like maru and nipponji more, but do use Gpen a lot.

>> No.7464286

Making manga is experiencing the pointlessness of life. You spend days on a single page and the reader will just skip through it in 10 seconds, provided you even have any readers.

>> No.7464291

>>7464286
Luckily for me I'm a terrible and lazy artist who cranks out lots of pages in a day, and generally just make a comic for myself. Having readers/subscribers/etc is just a bonus.

>> No.7464295

>>7464286
I reread baki all the time. There are pages I think about weekly. If you go into art with such a negative attitude, the reader will know.

>> No.7464297

>>7464291
>cranks out lots of pages in a day
Would you say that you get better at it? What have you learned during these pages?
I'm just asking for myself, because I would really like to get better at making comics, but it's a really difficult to get into way of drawing.

>> No.7464299

>>7464286
That's just art in general.
>You spend days on a single page
If you are not at Miura level or over inking stuff you have no excuse, post your work

>> No.7464309

>>7464297
Yes, I have definitely improved from when I 1st started. I have learned how to use my pen better I guess? As well as trying to rely less on tones, and better paneling. I feel like I try new ideas fairly often, which results in artstyle shifts throughout, which may be jarring for a reader? Sitting down and getting into a flow state can definitely be tricky sometimes, just don't give up!

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>>7464286
Imagining my characters come to life and chew me out about
>why does our world looks so boring?
is my primary motivation in honing my design and technical skill in drawing.

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7464345

>>7464286
>Making manga is experiencing the pointlessness of life

>> No.7464372

>>7464286
Yep. I feel the same. But it couldn't be any other way.

>> No.7464541

>>7464286
this applies to a lot of creative endeavors
sometimes a 3 minute sequence in a film will take months of work
its just the nature of the beast, you gotta learn to enjoy the process

>> No.7464548

>>7464541
It's different, most of those monkey work guys cope by pretending they'll be directors one day, with comics you have nowhere to go besides having someone else draw it instead.
t. childhood friend with several middle aged aspiring film makers that are still doing editing, vfx etc on movies and shows waiting for their big break

>> No.7464556

>>7464548
I think you have a much bigger chance at "making it" as a mangaka/ comic artist/ graphic novel duder whatever you wanna call it than you do as a director
the barrier to entry as an artist is much lower than as a director, its much easier to make a manga/comic whatever and then show it to publishers than it is to make a short film and have someone pick you up and give you a shot in the big leagues
or maybe not idk I might be retarded
and also, as with anyone doing anything creative, success is not guaranteed, success shouldn't even be expect, you need to enjoy the process cause if someone is just doing it for the faint possibility of success, they're gonna have a miserable time

>> No.7464563

>>7464556
>I think you have a much bigger chance at "making it" as a mangaka/ comic artist/ graphic novel duder whatever you wanna call it than you do as a director
Well yeah, but that's like saying you have a better chance of being a housecleaner than the president. The average editor working in film is better off than the average mangaka, of those friends just finished working with an editor in his 90s who doesn't even know how to work a computer, he just sits there and tells an assistant how to edit it, takes his bag of cash and goes home.
My point was more that "experiencing the pointlessness of life" isn't really as much of a thing in that field because the people still perceive it, deludedly or not, as a road to greater things, whereas once you're publishing a comic, you're done, you're never gonna ascend to being something more nor can you fantasize about reaching the kind of lofty celebrity status of a director, you can only get better at what you're already doing.

>> No.7464570

>>7464563
Okay so are you making manga or no?

>> No.7464572

>>7464570
No, I'm making a comic because I'm not Japanese and I write left to right.

>> No.7464573

>>7464563
>My point was more that "experiencing the pointlessness of life" isn't really as much of a thing in that field because the people still perceive it, deludedly or not, as a road to greater things
hmmm interesting
I see it completely different. Unless those people are working on short films to show what they can do, i'd assume the chances of any of them becoming a director is almost zero and I assume most of them are indeed not working on their own films. I guess I should also mention that I've had a tiny bit of experience in film/ tv. I was in that world for a bit a couple years ago so I hung out with editors and tv people, some directors and producers so my IRL experience might be tainting my view on this.
>as a road to greater things, whereas once you're publishing a comic, you're done, you're never gonna ascend to being something more nor can you fantasize about reaching the kind of lofty celebrity status of a director, you can only get better at what you're already doing.
I mean true but to a lot of people "just" publishing their work professionally and trying to make something even better with every passing project is the dream. It almost sounds like you'd rather be a big movie director than a narrative artist. I'm not attacking you, its just the impression I get.

>> No.7464581

>>7464573
>you'd rather be a big movie director than a narrative artist
The two are closely related conceptually, but no, I'm one of the few from the gang who didn't go to art school after our stint as amateur film makers, though I almost ended up storyboarding at one point.
It's just a matter of fact that directors get recognition and wealth far beyond mangaka even before we account for the investment necessary for the latter.

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7464584

>>7464572
manga = comics
Get over it, sadboy

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Thought it could be helpful to make storyboards digitally but I think I have to go back to trad.

>> No.7464761

>>7464286
Does it bother me? for sure all the time
But I think the opposite would be true if I didn't since i've decided this is my purpose. That and i've built a nice legacy for myself should anything happen to me. In the same vein, you can't complete a jigsaw puzzle with only one piece. I'm trying to tell a story, not join a gallery.

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>>7464286

>> No.7464797

>>7464772
>that text
And this is just one more reason why I never have had any interest in becoming a professional mangaka and am more than happy to just do it as an intensive hobby.

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7464798

In the home stretch now for chapter 4. 93 pages done, about 24 left.

>> No.7464830

>>7464772
That text is gay as fuck.

>> No.7464869

>>7464772
>author that writes light hearted stuff is a sad person
>author that writes depressing and disturbing work is a happy person
why is this?

>> No.7464874

>>7464869
When you are depressed you can't make good art.

>> No.7464878

>>7464869
1st is making wish fulfillment for themselves, 2nd is content to laugh at themselves and the world as it burns.

>> No.7464883

>>7464869
pagliacci
that's just how humans are

>> No.7464890

>>7464797
I think the crux of working on anything of this particular scale is that you're forced to sacrifice so many other aspects of your life in order to feed it. The other option is hardly drawing it at all, not drawing it as much as you wished, or never completing your story in your lifetime. It takes a comic artist on average of ten years to finish a major work, but usually more than that even if they are doing weeklies.
Each person only has so much energy to spare, some have more, some have less, and even when you have time to draw manga you'll begin to realize that unfortunately you aren't a robot and need to do things to take care of your wellbeing. It is a tough life not suited for most people but I will say there are some things you will ONLY learn by doing it at a fast pace or high quantity via this lifestyle.

>> No.7464951

>>7464797
True, the more I draw the more I realise the shonen scene is hell. I'd rather take my time on something short and sweet than churn out chapters I'm not happy with on a tight schedule.

>> No.7464969

>>7464772
If I had a social life, I'm not even sure I would be making manga...

>> No.7464983
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7464983

How successful you gotta be as a mangaka to live off the profit of your IP and never have to work again?

>> No.7464987

>>7464983
Knowing that won't magically motivate you to make a comic.

>> No.7464992

>>7464987
I *am* making a comic. Just need extra motivation okay?

>> No.7464998

>>7464992
If you started making a comic because of profit, you already didn't make it.
Maybe go draw fotm anime titties floating in a void.

>> No.7465004

>>7464998
I started to keep me busy so I didn't get fucking depressed. The money part came afterwards

>> No.7465006

>>7464772
name of the manga?

>> No.7465046

>>7464983
Enough that you have an average wage coming to you passively through stock dividends, invested government bonds, and the like.

>> No.7465093
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7465093

Drawabox? What's that?

>> No.7465097

>>7464658
>storyboards
Those a very pretty for storyboards, anon. Too pretty. Storyboarding is just for figuring out the pacing and what happens, you're not supposed to make the drawings good or anything. If you can ink right over the drawing then it's too detailed for storyboards IMO.

>> No.7465103

>>7464951
It's very naive of you to assume this is somehow limited to just one target demographic.

>> No.7465143

>>7465097
There's nothing wrong with going straight to the page, either, if that's your thing.

>> No.7465150
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7465150

Is there any practical reason for me not to do all my inks with pic related and a brush pen? I enjoy it way more than messing with dip pens and fountain pens.

>> No.7465155

>>7465150
Use anything you feel comfortable with. You can draw in ballpoint, even.

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7465189

>>7465150
more power to you, I also use these. The drawback is if you have to draw larger figures or long strokes it will take more time and be more tedious than if you used a nib and ink, the ink is not that dense and you might find yourself going back over them more. Also they fade easily against erasers.

The plus is that you can sketch or hatch with the .1's and .05's and that's a lot of fun to add detail this way.

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7465256

If you are actually doing something you automatically are a tier higher than any crab.

>> No.7465284

>>7465093
You clearly mastered it

>> No.7465371
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>>7465284
I'm really bad at perspective, which makes all my crts come out funky. My comic may take place in the 90s or early 00s? Or hell just likes old tech.

>> No.7465383

>>7465371
lmao
It kinda adds to the character of your comic though, having moderate detail on such a shape.

I'm not great with it either, so I'll just make it overly obtuse so people think its intentional

>> No.7465396

>>7464286
Reminds about me redrawing some panels I didnt like that no one would care

>> No.7465399

>>7464798
>93 pages done, about 24 left.
Holy shit I wish I had your fortitude

>> No.7465475

>>7465097
I know, but I just have no experience with manga. I am never sure if what I plan to do actually would look good, so I try to draw it more detailed to see if I would like it or not.

>> No.7465482

>>7465097
The problem I have is just that I can draw more or less, but I don't like my story writing. So I focus on the drawing, even in the storyboard phase.

I like my story writing to some degree, but I have no clue how to write interesting dialogue and how to set up the story, so I just try to draw pretty pictures on the page. There are just still so many parts where I have no clue what I should do when it comes to storytelling.

>> No.7465536

Also, what throws me off about storyboarding is, that when you do the storyboard in a smaller canvas size, then I am never sure what I could manage to fit into the space of the panels.
Manga artists often use relatively small panels to do whole figure drawings in great detail, but when I sit in front of the storyboard, I always feel like I don't have enough space, because it's smaller. That's why I think I have to do storyboard at normal size

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>>7465536
I've never had an issue. I use the same size page, then just box it out

>> No.7465743 [DELETED] 

I have a question:
One of the things I really like about making manga is the min-maxing (it reminds me of playing RPGs, there I also always liked min-maxing), ie only making panels which you really need to bring the story forwards.
However, this often leads me to the problem of what do I really need to tell a story? How can I fill the pages and can create interesting dialogue, when I should really just make what I need to tell the story?

Do I also need to establish character personalities and character background stories? Because i always feel as if those are not really needed to tell a story, but rather it's just fan service.

>> No.7465906

>>7465256
I usually don't agree with frog posters but yes you're right

>> No.7465916

I'm trying to do a short story (7-10 pages), so I want everything to be as tight as possible. No unnecessary fat, only panels which bring the story forward.
Can I make a character introductory panel where the character says something which shows his personality?
I am not good with dialogue, but that should be ok to do, right? Character introduction, showing a bit of the personality, then comes the inciting incident, etc. Or would this panel be unnecessary?

>> No.7465918

>>7464318
this line of thought reminds me of re:creators

>> No.7465922

>>7465006
you got the name of the author on the bottom of the page. Do some digging

>> No.7465923

>>7465918
Anything with "re:" in the title is automatic derivative garbage.

>> No.7465924

>>7465923
why

>> No.7465926

>>7465923
seen enough with that naming convention to know this isnt exactly true, though funnily enough it is true for re:creators

>> No.7465943

>>7465006
https://mangadex.org/title/a08d63ba-c412-4a7b-94b8-ef65bf2e2a30/daredemo-dakeru-kimi-ga-suki
Warning: He falls in love with a SLUT. If you're into NTR you'd like this.

>> No.7465947

Why is medibang x MPC website not included in the OP recommendation?

>> No.7465951

>>7465943
oh god

>> No.7465956

>>7465943
no wonder author is depressed

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>>7465943
>>7465951
>>7465956
What in the actual fuck am I reading kek

>> No.7466034

>>7465256
legendary tier one in a million frogposter who is actually based...

>> No.7466079

>>7465943
>NTR
Thank you for the spoiler, I almost automatically check out all manga links in these threads without thinking.

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>>7465916
Ask yourself what you understand from meeting someone for the first time. You analyze how they stand in front of you, whether they smile, what they have in their hands and how they're dressed. Then what they say. It's not too complicated, but one panel with all of those things in mind is a good place to start. First page should always establish a character and scene before you move on to the complications, but you only need one page for this establishment.

>> No.7466201

>>7466147
Ok, thanks. It's difficult for me to know wether something is ok to do or not. I mean at its core I basically just draw what I think could be interesting, but then you also always have these inbetweens you have to fill with stuff and dialogue.

>> No.7466258

>>7466201
Depends on what your aims are. There are character based stories, and action based stories. A character based story revolves around (in this case only one or two) characters and their developments specifically, but an action based story doesn't need this at all. We only really need to know what they look like since action based stories are just there to serve as a vehicle for explosions, guns, and other exciting stuff.

A common way to do the latter is by starting in media res, but bare minimum you need engaging character designs to sell something short and sweet. But if you choose this approach you don't have to worry about "boring" stuff at all (unless it were longer then you're in trouble lol)

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7466383

Finally getting some good progress on next chapter's storyboard. Coming up with interesting page layouts is always a struggle

>> No.7466392
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I strive to one day in my life make something as good as this.

>> No.7466398

>>7466003
relatable

>> No.7466458

>>7466392
I have no idea what the hell I am looking at here.

>> No.7466482

>>7466458
Same

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7466487

>>7466458
>>7466482
Vector Spectacle by Scichil
It's very good in how it's constructed.

>> No.7466544

When you guys are making the story, do you write first or draw first?

>> No.7466554

>>7466544
Usually write first, brainstorm ideas, make notes, write the outline.
However you also can get inspired by drawings you made. I just thought up a whole short story from a doodle I did. I liked it and thought about what could be the backstory of that image.

Generally you should write first tho.

>> No.7466559

>>7466544
>Write
lol. It' all in my head anon. I just go and draw

>> No.7466595

Is there an easier way to paint/add screentones to the background without having to carefully select the area you're gonna paint?

>> No.7466608

>>7466487
I'll have to take your word on it. I still don't understand what on earth I'm looking at, and your second page you posted looks like bog-standard paneling to me that you could find in any manga. Heck, I even play some Touhou and I can barely recognize the characters here.

>> No.7466613

>>7466608
>I even play some Touhou and I can barely recognize the characters here

>> No.7466618
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>>7466544
The drawing is the writing. Storyboarding is anyway.
I usually start with an idea of how I want things to go, nothing written down and figured out yet. I figure it out by drawing the storyboards.

>>7466595
You could do it like this.

>> No.7466623

>>7466554
Yeah, it seems that the pro thing to do is to go from writing to drawing. But there are some crazy anons like >>7466559 Who go "fuck this shit".

Just wanted to see the different ways some of you guys did this. Like, I heard that Mad Max Fury Road didn't really have a script, it was mostly the storyboard. That looks like a process that could work in a manga that focuses on visual storytelling instead of dialogue.

>> No.7466644

>>7466618
I guess this is a different way you can tackle it.
I'm the reverse where the writing is the drawing. Once I write something down, I already have a clear idea of how it should go so my thumbails are blank page layouts.

I don't believe you'll find many people who just fly by the seat of their pants with every page. I do recall at least one Manben artist doing that but he was an oldhead veteran with experience specifically in storyboarding anime. I'm left with the impression that when this question is asked it comes from a place of ignorance, but you can't avoid building the framework of your story if you want to be organized or thorough whether that's by producing a written script or a drawn storyboard.

>> No.7466661

>>7466544
I write a layout of the story, character descriptions, backstory and then I write a script, after that I draw the storyboard.

>> No.7466673

>>7466644
I'm not flying by the seat of my pants, like I said I go in with a clear idea of what I'm trying to storyboard. I already have a reasonable idea of the "what", the the "how do I present it" that I work out on the page. I'm just saying I don't have a detailed written plan typically (sometimes I do, this isn't set in stone) or a script or anything.

>> No.7466687

>>7466673
I just said it's a different way to work, and there is a beauty in seeing other styles of work ethic (which is why manben was so exciting when it first aired)

My unrelated commentary was just remarking on the fact that people who actually do it on the fly are stupidly rare- and that there are plenty of people who are not very involved in comics with a work based attitude who think this is typical. Or in worse cases think they can get by without a framework.

>> No.7466695

>>7466687
>which is why manben was so exciting when it first aired
I always find manben rather annoying to watch, because you constantly have to read the subtitles and can't even look at how the people are drawing.

>> No.7466717

How can I get rid of stupid reaction faces? When something important happens with a character I always feel the need to show a reaction face, but they are kind of boring. Just a dumb panel of a face looking what's going on. Something tells me I shouldn't do it like this, but I don't know what to do otherwise. Maybe a whole body shot or some other zoomed out perspective?

If a character isn't really saying anything, then I feel a face panel is kind of stupid, right? Unless you maybe want to do comedy with dumb looking faces.

>> No.7466718

>>7466717
>If a character isn't really saying anything, then I feel a face panel is kind of stupid, right?
Depends on the character, depends on how that character would likely react, depends on the situation. A frozen in fear expression with no words could conceivably work no matter what in a horror scene for example.

>> No.7466724

>>7466718
One of the things I noticed when studying manga is, that some mangaka (especially oldschool ones) basically do panelling as if they are animation an anime, with lots of repetitive shots where time passes very slowly and everything paintakingly "animated" (one panel with a closed door for example, and then almost the same looking panel but with the door a bit open).

Modern mangaka do this much more interesting and fun tho. They really know how to not include boring panels where things get a bit repetitive. They don't "animate", they rather illustrate, but everything still has a very good flow.

>> No.7466725 [DELETED] 

>>7466695
is this a joke

>> No.7466729

>>7466717
Just treat reactions as close ups in a movie. If you abuse them, it looks cheap, but if you use them just in the right moment, it can carry power.
You can also just, y'know, use body language if you don't want to put a bunch of close ups.

>> No.7466732

>>7466729
How would you abuse them?
Idk, I think I just have to look at some manga again and see how they do this.

>> No.7466736

Am I "cheating" if I rely on screentones to make my pages look more appealing? I have the habit of purposefully making my screentones very visible because I think their texture looks cool and makes my rendering less boring and dull

>> No.7466738

>>7466736
No, screentones can look awesome if used right. They can add a lot of flavor. You should use them to make the pages more appealing.

>> No.7466760

>>7466732
I don't think anyone can abuse them if they follow their gut. But a non-manga example is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-HDpOxpXIM

I don't have the time to search a manga example right now, but some shonen manga do that when the mangaka is really tired/going for time (I am pretty sure I can find something like that on the One Piece anime)

>> No.7466761

>>7466544
Write
I kinda treat it like a movie where no movie starts shooting before the script is done and if that does happen then something went really wrong in pre production (see Alien 3 as an example, altho I think it still turned out alright)
of course as you go you'll probably make some alterations to the script but no major changes, unless of course, something is going wrong
for me its important to have a complete story im satisfied with before putting down the first line

>> No.7466790

What's a good pace to keep? Anyone know what pace monthly mangkas keep maybe subtract assistant help..

This page took me around 5 hours

>> No.7466791
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7466791

>>7466790

>> No.7466803

>>7466790
>>7466791
Well, monthly authors are finishing anywhere from 30 to 70 pages in a month. It varies greatly, even ignoring the variance that comes from whether or not they hire assistants and if so how many. There's no one good answer, the variation is too high.
Five hours for a page like that is good. Keep that up and you'll be fine. The hard part is keeping it up.

>> No.7466808
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7466808

>>7466791
5 hours? For a page? Shit... I must be really fucking slow

>> No.7466812

>>7466791
IMO this page would be fine without all the background elements in the top and bottom panels and you'd save a lot of time if you simplified. Middle panel is fine since it's a silent panel + pulling the camera out to reestablish the scene, but even here I think you could afford to simplify the details since the focus should still be on the characters

>> No.7466819
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7466819

I accidentally read JoJo again

>> No.7466821

>>7466819
Lol. I can see you're having fun anon. Good for you.

>> No.7466823

>>7466791
Five hours to do all of that? That's a good pace.

>>7466808
Can't be slower than me, lol.

>> No.7466920
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my beautiful daughter

>> No.7466961

>>7466920
soul

>> No.7467023

Has anyone here ever had experience selling doujinshi on fanza/dlsite?

>> No.7467048

>>7467023
Yeah. Why?

>> No.7467059

>>7466819
Jojack money!

>> No.7467069

>>7467059
lmao

>> No.7467228

>>7467048
Could you share the process? Do they have to review your works before ? And how strict are they toward non-Japanese authors and the whole profit sharing + payout system (I heard Visa/Mastercard is a bitch to work with).

>> No.7467374

>>7467228
>I heard Visa/Mastercard is a bitch to work with
These companies as well as the banks need to be brought to heel on trying to play morality police. Unless something is blatantly illegal like hard drugs or whatnot it's none of their goddamn business if somebody wants to commission me for NSFW or vice versa, etc.
>b-b-but it's too hard to police if somebody is secretly doing an illegal transacti-
Not my problem. You are multi-billion dollar international superconglomerates. I'm sure you corpos can take the relatively nonexistent hit to your precious "line go up".

>> No.7467622
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7467622

This may be slightly controversial, but I think drawing backgrounds is neato.

>> No.7467670

>>7467622
Confy

>> No.7467673

Manga bros I have a question, Does hentai style counts as "manga" in this thread?

>> No.7467679

I think my taste is too good to draw manga. I just have such high standards that creating things becomes too complicated. I feel like a ferrari (my taste) driven by a grandma (my work ethic and experience). Do you know that feel? I have consumed so much good art in my life, which created a huge chaos in me, and I am unable to express myself in a clear and simple way.

>> No.7467684

>>7467673
>hentai style
What on earth does "hentai style" even mean to you? The only thing that matters is if you have a portrayal of a sequence of events through different pages or panels. If yes, then post away.

>> No.7467778
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7467778

>>7464286
That's a (You) problem. Physical art is merely an external artifact to better structure the Kinos that are constantly playing in my head. I don't understand people whose motivations revolve primarily around the readers.

>> No.7467783

>>7467679
I can think of one way to fix that problem. Draw more.

>> No.7467794

>>7467783
How am I supposed to draw if I can't figure out what I should draw? If you are not able to figure out what panels you should draw, then you also can't draw manga.

I can only make sketches. Manga is too comlpicated.

>> No.7467799

>>7467794
cant u ink your sketches?

>> No.7467810

>>7467799
Drawing manga is 10 times harder than just making sketches. You have to draw a cohesive story.

>> No.7467830
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7467830

starting now I'm going to draw at least one page a day

>> No.7467838

>>7467830
That's ambitious, are you going to skip backgrounds mostly?

>> No.7467841

>>7467794
>Manga is too comlpicated.
Then you need to make a story, any story. It can be something as simple as a man walking to the fridge to grab a cup of milk to drink. You are only going to learn by doing. Making a comic is its own "muscle."

>> No.7467851

>>7467841
I already made a story. I alrwady made mutliple stories. But drawing them is a different thing. There is always something lacking, and I just can't figure out what. It's also much harder to draw for manga, because of how determined and focused you have to draw.

>> No.7467858

>>7467838
no, I might have to use more flat perspectives, but I like drawing backgrounds
the humans will suffer the most

>> No.7467879

>>7467851
>I just can't figure out what
If you aren't going to show what you have attempted thus far, and you aren't going to just keep going at it, I don't understand what you aim to get out of posting in /mmg/. You think the anons here all magically learned how to do panelling?

>> No.7467894

>>7467228
>Could you share the process?
There's not much of a process. You click "upload" or whatever the button was and follow the instructions. If anything's confusing, there's a separate page with more detailed help that I remember referring to. You'll have to find it yourself on their site though, I don't remember where it was in their layout.
>Do they have to review your works before?
Not sure how they check the mosaic is sufficient but I'd guess they manually check it.
>And how strict are they toward non-Japanese authors and the whole profit sharing + payout system
I don't know what you mean by "strict", I had no problems whatsoever when I last put something up (late 2023). They don't do payouts through card, that wouldn't make any sense, they just use a 3rd party payment distributor.

>> No.7467899

>>7467830
If it's sustainable, keep it up

>> No.7467910

>>7467879
I was just asking if someone knows my feeling. I've already posted what I have attemted so far, but whatever.

>> No.7467938

>>7467910
You have to make bad comics before you can make good ones. Just keep making stuff and try to be a little self aware about your shortcomings.

>> No.7468036

Is this thread better or is the "how's your webcomic?" Thread on co, for comics/manga?

>> No.7468038

>>7468036
this thread was better when the fags from /co/ were not here

>> No.7468049

>>7468036
>"how's your webcomic?"
Wasnt it extinct?

>> No.7468063

>>7468036
I've never been on /co/, so I wouldn't know

>> No.7468074

>>7468036
/mmg/ anons take making comics seriously, so if chatting away with others is what you want /hyw/ is a more appropriate place. There is an entire 3/4ths of the day in which /mmg/ is almost completely dead in terms of activity.

>> No.7468094
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7468094

>comic I made in 4th/5th grade's summer
Guys, am I gmi?

>> No.7468096

>>7468094
Oh my god you have made me feel so old holy shit.

>> No.7468132
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7468132

>>7468094
>>comic I made in 4th/5th grade's summer
>Trump vs Hillary
>4th/5th grade's summer

>> No.7468133

>>7468096
>>7468132
It's ok fellow boomers, let's just remember the 90s

>> No.7468147

>>7468094
no, underage

>> No.7468158

>>7468147
No. The average 4th grader is 9-10, I was a year older. The election race for that election was almost 10 years ago. I am 21 now, but during the summer I was 20 almost 21 it all lines up. This was made before the election had actually happened, I just am from a very red area and knew he was gonna win.

>>7468096
>>7468132
Uncs still hasn't answered if I am gmi.

>> No.7468221

>>7468158
I'll say your heart is in the right place, and your comic is pretty based. As a Californian, I had zero clue if Trump was going to win, so you've got that over me.
Post some of your current work

>> No.7468242

>>7468094
>Guys, am I gmi?
Well, have you made any more comics?

>> No.7468251

>>7468242
He's got a point. Why did you post a 10 year old comic and ask if your gonna make it?

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Show me your main character, /mmg/

>> No.7468517
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>>7468496

>> No.7468540
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>>7468496

>> No.7468557

>>7466392
This is really difficult to parse.

>> No.7468562

>>7468496
Main characters*. I wish I had a drawing with them posing together. I'll do that soon

>> No.7468563
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7468563

>>7468562
Forgot the pic

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7468673

>>7468496

>> No.7468712

I'm currently studying panel variety and taking notes. I've noticed that pretty much all panels so far fall under 7 categories (depending on how much you want to seperate):
>close-ups
>long-shots
>full-body-shots
>half-body-shots
>body-details
>background-details
>panorama-shots

Panoramashots I call the background shots which are really far out and cover a lot of environment. Close-ups and long-shots are probably the most common.

>> No.7468718
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>>7468496
>>7468562
I also need to do this

>> No.7468731

How far can I push a derivative work/dojin? Aiming for original work off of the settings of games

>> No.7468752
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>>7468712

>> No.7468909
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7468909

>>7468242
>>7468221
>>7468251
I posted it cause I found a pic of it on my PC and thought it so funny that I had to share.
I haven't given an earnest attempt at making a comic yet really, just lil'page doodles, but my goal for this year is to make an oneshot.
I've attached 3 yonkoma-format pages I did in 3 days for a challenge that I quickly gave up on. If I took more liberty from the challenge I wouldn't have done a yonkoma format, as it only lets me emphasize the most important moments. I don't think it creates a coherent story for anyone other than me. The main girl has an urn of ashes, whom she's collecting the memories of. So she has to follow the journey he took, and meet the people he met etc.

>> No.7468911

>>7468517
This is cool shit
But sounds like a small nightmare to draw repeatedly.

>> No.7468922

>>7468909
Yeah, you're gonna make it.

>>7468517
>>7468718
You can't just post characters as cool as this and not post the comics they're from.

>> No.7468951
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7468951

>>7468922
https://cityofthesun.cfw.me/

>>7468909
I actually like the first one but with 3 and 4 swapped. It makes it so the act of bringing him back feels more "revealed" to me rather than simply informing me. It's like a mini hook.
I don't recommend the strip format since it's kind of limiting. You could still do it, but it only works because at the core of it you are forced to sprinkle worldbuilding info instead of dumping it too much. You could still do this with quick 1-3 page stories in "traditional" format.

>> No.7468971
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>>7468951
This isn't the actual comic I want to make. This was for a yonkoma challenge for a random website. Your input is helpful though, it helps me think about the way that ordering it can emphasize it.
>I get close to bringing him back with each memory I collect.
>With each memory I collect I get closer to bringing him back.
The first emphasizes the memory collecting urn, and the second emphasizes that she can revive him. I didn't give the story too much thought, it was just a throwaway story essentially, but for more serious projects I want to do this is very important information.

The picture attached is the character sheet for a "Mock Doujinshi" challenge. There is not story, just a 1 page honry manga-page with a gag at the end making fun of the situation. Just posting another image.

>> No.7469012

>>7468540
whoa your art's improved alot since the last time i saw it

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>> No.7469026

>>7468540
this looks really good
are the costumes inspired by a specific culture or time in history?

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7469035

>>7468911
She just looks like a normal kid (for now), the crazy stuff around her is meant to represent the demonic events she constantly experiences.

>>7468922
>post the comics they're from
farstarss.the-comic.org
The comic is pretty boring I'm sorry to say, but if anyone feels like powering through it, I'd appreciate any critique or advice you have.

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7469055

>>7468496

>> No.7469063

>>7469025
background tones look good
>>7469035
Did you draw that quadroon girl in the OC redraw thread?

>> No.7469067
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>mfw trying to make manga
I have no clue what I'm doing

>> No.7469071
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7469071

>>7469063
She's not black, she's an extraterrestrial. But yeah that's me. She's in the comic too.

>> No.7469075

>>7469071
lmao my bad, yeah thought your style looked familiar. I'll check out the comic

>> No.7469091

I always have to draw everything twice, because when I just do thumbnails, I can't really see if I would like it this way or not.

>> No.7469095
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7469095

>>7469012
Thanks anon. My improvement is slowly getting along, I think. I'm just slow at it because I don't have a lot of time each day to draw.
>>7469026
Thanks. The original mage outfits were just something I came up with on the fly because I've always thought people in hooded robes were cool. I started daydreaming and somehow got to thinking that nobody (in terms of relative numbers I mean) ever really made comics set in the ancient middle east/India. One thing led to another and here I am now.

>> No.7469097

>>7469095
>comics set in the ancient middle east/India
Why woudl you do this? Noone wants to be there

>> No.7469110
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7469110

>>7469097
Because I'm not dealing with real life and all of its problems. My treatment is intentionally more like how older stories of ancient Arabia and India used to be (i.e., Sinbad the Sailor, or One Thousand Arabian Nights which contains Aladdin and Alibaba and the 40 Thieves and other stories). When I was a super young kid I saw Aladdin for the first time and the rest is history. Never stood a chance.

>> No.7469126

>>7469097
The middle east is full of great stories. Laurence of Arabia is arguably one of the greatest films ever made.
He isn't making his comic in the modern street shitting hellhole that is current India
But even that garbage country can have some great stories, like Slumdog Millionaire

>> No.7469145

>>7469097
I loved magi

>> No.7469150

>>7469126
No brown people allowed in my manga. When then only as slaves and bimbos.

>> No.7469155

>>7469150
The antagonists hired muscle is a spic in mine, I don't find brown women attractive so I wouldn't put them as bimbos, but hey, different strokes.

>> No.7469181

Is it just me or did we have new anons here?

>> No.7469182

>>7469181
Feels like maybe 2-4. Or perhaps they were here all along and mostly lurked?

>> No.7469185

>>7469182
prob /mmg/ has more lurkers than we think

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>>7469095
>>7469110
>set in the ancient middle east/India.
very cool
I also like the aesthetics of those regions and could easily see myself doing future work within
a setting inspired by those regions too, have you ever looked at orientalism (the art movement), you'd probably like it a lot

>> No.7469197
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7469197

starting now I'm going to either sketch or ink and tone one page a day
>>7467899
it's not

>> No.7469207

How much do you think working too long on your manga can affect the way you see it? I feel like it's hard to find your pages exciting or interesting after working on them for so long or replaying the scenes in your head so many times.

>> No.7469214

>>7469207
I think it depends on where I'm at on it when I decide it's too long
if I've only done a couple pages, I start to realize by the third week of doing nothing for it, I'm prolly not gonna finish, so I drop it
if I'm a decent way in the middle, I do find I'm losing interest, so outside of specific parts, maybe, I end up just pushing the rest of the pages out with little regard for quality
then I tend to hate the whole thing, thinking I should have done better

>> No.7469225

>>7469207
This why I always sleep between sketching and lining. If you look at something too long you'll get too used to it and it'll seem boring. The odds are that it's better than you think it is.

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>>7469181
I just don't really post my work much if at all. I just want to talk about comics and help people (but give me one excuse to talk about what i'm working on, i'll go ballistic)

>>7469207
I get mad tunnel vision because i'm full of self doubt and that's the only way it bothers me, but the scenes and ideas themselves are the flames that keep this thing chugging indefinitely.

Here's a cute scene I like.

>> No.7469271
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7469271

You guys have any fun or original panels/pages in your manga? Something you experimented with?

Pic not related

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>>7468496

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>>7468496

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>>7464772
>Author had a sober moment
>Souless shinji kindly corrected his wage slave

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7469619

>>7466003

>> No.7469622

>>7466791
it a good pace and you know it. Tongue my anus

>> No.7469793

>>7469194
>have you ever looked at orientalism (the art movement)
Yes, spent many hours in classical art museums looking at them all. I also have several physical books in my drawing room. Love the food, the music, the clothes, and the aesthetics of everything in the greater Levantine/Indian region.

>> No.7470493
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7470493

I don't know if this is going to read how I want it to

>> No.7470591

Will this ever become easier, or will it always be so hard for me to come up with a page?
I would guess you just need to get the hang of it, right?

>> No.7470830
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7470830

About how many different screentones are in this?

>> No.7470837
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7470837

page 8 done
jesus christ this took way longer than I thought it would, I really need to develop a more efficient routine

>> No.7470954

>>7470591
Sure it could with enough determination and work. It's a visualization problem, which is essentially all drawing is.

>>7470830
looks like four. One for this child's hair, one for her body, one for her coat/doctor's hair and coat, and one for the doctor's sweater

>> No.7471021

>>7470830
0 because it was done with digital brushes

>> No.7471256

thoughts on 9:16 pages to fit phones?

>> No.7471264

>>7470837
inspiring
Yoiu clearly are rather mid /beg/, but it looks interesting and I want to turn to the next page.
Maybe I gotta just start drawing for a project and not just study

>> No.7471309
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7471309

>> No.7471387

>>7470830
4. Gradient on the back of her head, shading tone on the bottom panel/girl's back, dark done for the coat/black hair and a noise tone on the sweater.

>> No.7471440
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7471440

>>7471264
thanks
>it looks interesting and I want to turn to the next page.
damn, that might be the best compliment one can get
>Maybe I gotta just start drawing for a project and not just study
Thats what I did. The way I thought about it was
>Well, if I only start working on my projects when I feel like i'm good enough, then i'm never gonna start
I felt like I was gonna fall into the trap of endless practice so I just said fuck it and started working on my current little story
after this is done, i'll take 2 or 3 things that I really wanna improve for the next project, practice that and then start that project, rinse and repeat
thats the plan at least

>> No.7471537

>>7471440
nta but that seems like the way you should go about it. project first, practice second.
especially since it puts storytelling at the forefont

>> No.7471553

>>7471264
>but it looks interesting and I want to turn to the next page
When it comes to comics, that is the only rule that matters. Nicer looking art is a plus, but it is just the cherry on top. Story is absolutely king, otherwise there is no reason to draw it over animu grill floating in white void looking at you with [insert expression here] #494782757.

>> No.7471592

>>7465150
There's this bit in Manben, the episode with the lady who draws a manga about italian history, where her editor kept berating and pestering her for drawing with fineliners instead of dip pens because "proper manga" is meant to be drawn with the latter. When she delivered some pages for his approval, he commented on how good some drawings looked, and that he was happy that she took his advice and switched to dip pens. But then she said that those were actually inked with fineliners...

>> No.7471629

>>7471592
No rules, only fools

>> No.7471685
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7471685

>>7466920

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>> No.7471996

>>7464286
Heh, not if I put tits on that page
Checkmate

>> No.7472264 [DELETED] 
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7472264

Yeah, I love drawing backgrounds.

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>> No.7472325

>>7472271
Really nice. Your style reminds me of Vampire Princess Miyu or something.

>> No.7472485

>>7469227
That really is a cute scene. It makes me feel nostalgic because I also broke into an abandoned building with my best friend by climbing through a hole in a fence just like that. It was a bad idea because the air there probably damaged my asthmatic lungs, but it's a happy memory nonetheless.
Where can I read more of the comic? What's the title?

>> No.7472618

>>7472485
>>7468951
It's called City of the Sun!

The premise of the story is basically built around "What hides in the fringes of society?" The main characters are a zombie and a vampire who are dealing with how to exist beyond death and with the dangers that come naturally being on the outside.

I also grew up in a neglected town and have a lot of nostalgia for urban decay, since our town had a huge abandoned building smack in the center of it. It served as the fuel for a lot of my fantasies of lurking unknowns, and the general love of decay is the inspiration behind our setting (It's a collaborative work)

>> No.7472662
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7472662

Back with another 4koma... I feel like I forgot how to use screentones lately. Might just be the noggin that's failing me lately :/

>> No.7472689

>>7471685
cant wait to see this blow up and get redrawn in the future. i like it, keep going! (id love to see more btw)

>> No.7472779

>>7472689
>id love to see more btw
You didnt read the previous chapters?

>> No.7472943

>>7472618
Thank you! Sorry, I must've overlooked that there was already a post with the source. It looks really cool, I love the atmosphere. Yeah, I feel like there's something lonely but also magical about urban decay and resulting liminal spaces. I live pretty close to a big shopping centre that's pretty much empty except for a small gallery. It's wild.

>> No.7472949
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7472949

Still in the early stages, do you guys draw the moments most interesting to you or strictly go by the correct order of the panels?

>> No.7473107
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7473107

>>7472949
I go all over the page, I think I most often focus on the biggest panels first

>> No.7473114

>>7469486
When are we going to see these characters fuck!?!?!

>> No.7473177

>>7464077
Could one just apply to all those studios / competitions with the same story?

>> No.7473182

>>7473177
Assuming it fits the submission guidelines for them, yes. You'll only have a conflict if it wins multiple :)

>> No.7473387
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7473387

How do I make sure my genius manga idea won't get stolen by a big studio?

>> No.7473431

>>7473387
Don't write it down, don't share it with anyone, and try not to think about it near birds or ceiling fans.

>> No.7473672

>>7473387
the chances of this happening are astronomically low
you're better off posting your work as you, well, work on it and maybe get a small following

>> No.7473677

>>7473387
Well firstly, it isn't a genius idea, but since you're speaking hypothetically you should just start right away.

I hate when people use ONE as an example, but if you start now, even with beg art, it solidifies your work as the first.
And it's not like the big wigs can just steal your IP and rebrand it as their own...
Unless you made Battle Royale...or Kaiji ...or...nevermind.

>> No.7473726

>>7473677
adapting a premise is not the same as ip theft. Saying that as someone who was upset people stopped translating Kaiji because they thought it was too boring.

>> No.7473745

>>7473677
wait who stole kaiji

>> No.7473768

>>7469486
Those tattoos look like a massive bitch to draw

>> No.7473799

>>7473768
yeah was gonna say even aecast anons alt outfits for his girls were overly detailed but nothing to this extent - having to remember the exact placement of each tattoo is gonna be a bitch.

>> No.7473874

>>7473799
When i make a character with a tattoo, i hide it under clothes until i want to draw it or have a reason to show it

>> No.7473896
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7473896

>manga making general
tfw too comfy in my snug kotatsu to make manga,

>> No.7473910

>>7473799
>>7473768
Draw them as a layer, then just wrap them like with clothing logos

>> No.7473988

>>7473896
God I wish I could have this

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7474118

>>7473768
>>7473874
i don't mind. i like the lil details, also who really is getting caught up on the minutiae, on a small panel.

>> No.7474129

>>7472662
I dont get it, and I tried.
Is it cause she's like a fish lady?

>> No.7474175
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7474175

I like this page, but in hindsight the composition isn't so great

>> No.7474192

>>7474129
>tfw I only post shit that only makes sense within the context of its universe

Context is that they “pretend” to date as a cover but end up falling in love for real.

>> No.7474212
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7474212

>>7474175
I think it looks great. Drawing vehicle interiors from different perspectives breaks up monotony

>> No.7474285

>>7473988
what stops u

>> No.7474531
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7474531

page 9 done

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>>7474531
together with page 8

>> No.7474546

>>7474533
Good nipples and tits

>> No.7474554

>>7474533
Damn brutal

>> No.7474615
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7474615

I usually draw at a resolution of 70, so when I switch to comics at an acceptable resolution of 350+, suddenly all the characteristic expression of my brushes dissapear and merge into a simple boring line. Tried playing with the settings, but they barely make a difference. How do I solve this?

>> No.7474642

>>7474615
I too recently switched to a much higher res.
I just changed the brush size

>> No.7474689

>>7474642
For some reason none of my brushes scale while retaining their characteristics....

>> No.7474720
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7474720

sharing some new pages
1/4

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>>7474720
2/4

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>>7474721
3/4

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>>7474724
4/4

>> No.7474768

>>7474726
Those are some well drawn pipes. Good to see you again.

>> No.7474817

>>7474212
I'm worried there's no focus, characters and text bubbles might get lost in the lines.
gonna have to try and fix it with toning, we'll see
vehicles are fun though, shoutout to /mg/. I'd like to get better at freehanding machinery.

>> No.7474846

>>7474817
Well I mean I assumed this wasn't the finished piece so yeah. Line thickness and decent sized word bubbles will help focus on what you want

>> No.7474876
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7474876

>>7474212
This is such an absurd car chase. I love it!

Also new chapter out now on most platforms... tapas, webtoon, duck, comicfury, mangadex

>> No.7474883

>>7474876
Thank you!
And also good luck getting that cover approved on at least 3 of those sites my man.
I thought you said you had a more "edited" version as well, can you post it?

>> No.7474884

Do you think my art will improve if I make a comic or will I just feel bad because I can't finish projects?

>> No.7474893

>>7474615
Perhaps you can draw at 70 and rescale to 350 afterwards. If the new DPI is a multiple of the original there is not much in the way of distortion or aliasing (in theory).

>> No.7474898

>>7474876
now thats an eye catching page

>> No.7474922
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7474922

I just now took a good look at this thread. I didn't know about the wide variety of stuff here. I wonder if my "style" fits as "manga/hentai", or if it belongs to that "Korean webtoon vertical style"?

>> No.7474924

>>7474922
>I just now took a good look at this thread.
I wish you wouldn't have

>> No.7474936

>>7474922
Any type of comic/manga will fit here. So be welcome. You're the guy that drawed my catgirl in your style a while ago hehe.

>> No.7474940
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7474940

Almost there just 3 more pages for chapter 7

>> No.7474943

>>7474924
I had a bad feeling that this >>7467673 was him, I think I was right. That fucker is like a diabolic vampire. Vampires ask for permission before walking into your home, you have to let them in willingly. He's satanic.

>> No.7474954

>>7474940
A shock from paranormal ghosties? Or reaction from surprise anal? Tune in next time on Dragonball Z!

>> No.7474969

>>7474954
>A shock from paranormal ghosties? Or reaction from surprise anal?
not ironically, both

>> No.7474977

>>7474943
Someone gave him the go ahead.
Not like I'm a gatekeeper, but it looks more like /aco/ than /mmg/
I just remember him spamming some thread with nun porn

>> No.7474988

>>7474977
So it was him?

>> No.7474989

>>7474977
Not the anon that gave him the go ahead, but to be fair he hadnt posted his work yet if I recall correctly, so nobody knew one way or another.

>> No.7474990

>>7474988
I dunno, probably
>>7474989
I mean I didn't know either, I'm just recalling seeing his work elsewhere now that he has posted

>> No.7475034
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7475034

>>7474883
I don't recall. Could have just been me talking about wip pages. I start trad, then edit digitally. Also, webtoons already took it down. Canonically they don't have anything behind the censor bars, and aren't even human though hahaha. It's all good, I barely get any traction on the popular sites. Way more on mangadex and random pirate sites

>> No.7475049
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7475049

if some anon want to color it after I finish please do it

>> No.7475054

>>7475049
I'm down to color in my own character.

>> No.7475055

>>7475034
How hard was it for you to create an account on Mangadex and upload? I don't get what I'm seeing with these uploading "groups" Mangadex wants you to make cos I'm not trying to do a scanlation, I'm just trying to upload my own images directly.

>> No.7475058

>>7475054
Yeah that probably makes the most sense so as to not step on anyone's toes, plus can't expect everyone to know what exsct colors all the other girls should have, etc. Although as for anon in the middle, I'm guessing tho that his headbag should likely be green? Since traditionally anons were kind of drawn with green skin? Up to you altarusia anon.

>> No.7475067

>>7475054
>>7475058
>can't expect everyone to know what exsct colors all the other girls should have
You guys dont have canon colors? But well I guess everyone can finish or redraw your own girl, it was my first thought but I didnt know if you guys would want that work.

>> No.7475080
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7475080

New page will be a bit of an infodump. But it's the only page in the entire manga where this will happen so I guess it's fine.

>> No.7475108

>>7475080
I think the natural end for this page is the 2nd to last piece of text. That last bit of text feels a bit detached from the rest. You can probably just show case that visually rather than explain it.

>> No.7475111

>>7475055
Ez, just messaged a mod on the disc. They reviewed the comic, and approved it I had to make a group to post chapters and such though

>> No.7475122

>>7475108
I have been thinking of switching the last panel with the ones in the middle. Is that what you mean?

>> No.7475129

>>7474615
>How do I solve this?
You just make the brush bigger. I've never had this problem, as someone who draws at 600.
What's actually happening here is you're leaving the kiddy pool of inking at a low res and now have to actually learn to ink.
>>7474689
What? What program are you using? I've never had a brush that doesn't scale with brush size in CSP.

>>7474893
>Perhaps you can draw at 70 and rescale to 350 afterwards.
Don't fucking do that. Defeats the whole purpose of drawing larger. You need do the drawing at the higher resolution.

>>7475067
>You guys dont have canon colors?
Lol I've never once thought about the "canon colors" of any of my comics in the decade I've been drawing them.

>> No.7475134
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7475134

>>7468496
Not the protagonist, but main antagonist of first chapter

>> No.7475139

>>7469181
I did talk about the thread to some anons in /a/ over the holidays

>> No.7475160
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7475160

>>7475122
I changed some of the text to have it flow a bit better and keep the reader's eye moving.

>> No.7475161

>>7475139
Is /a/ still as weirdly hostile to anon-created works as before? I check something like twice month in their thread catalog and I never see anything about anons sharing their creations there. /co/ is a cesspool but at least they arent so anal about this.

>> No.7475164

>>7475161
>Is /a/ still as weirdly hostile to anon-created works as before?
It's still against the board's rules, yes. It isn't the users that are the problem with posting on /a/ (not any more than posting anywhere on 4chan anyway), it's that it'll just get deleted once mods wake up. /a/ is explicitly not meant for user made works.

>> No.7475169

>>7475160
Ah... I see what you mean. I did feel like the page lacked flow but I had no idea why. That explains a lot, thanks.

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7475171

>>7475161
I don't know why people keep saying that about /a/ but the times i have done it, it has been recieved well, the only times i fuck it up was on a csm thread, and trying to post too much on a wsj thread, apart from that everyone was super nice about it, in fact i did this >>7475134 because it might get used as an op image on valentines

>> No.7475173

>>7475171
There was a recent thread there where anons were posting their own work. The whole thread was deleted

>> No.7475179

>>7475173
It highly depends on timing and quality of the work.
But imo, on average, yeah both /a/ and /r/manga are pretty hostile to non-Japanese garbage "manga". Not exactly sure where to show my stuff.

>> No.7475185

>>7475164
>/a/ is explicitly not meant for user made works.
Ok, fine - fair enough. I just there was some consistency in terms of how the rules are applied. I did a tour of several of the other places and it confuses me why you can have user submissions on everything ranging from /d/ to /co/ to /h/ to /u/..... but not /a/.

>> No.7475186

>>7475169
Rule of thumb for manga is break it apart once the sentence ends. You can include more than one sentence per line but it heavily depends on visual preference.

>> No.7475193

>>7475186
>Rule of thumb for manga
Is there a list of these rules of thumb? Not just for texts and speech bubbles.

>> No.7475195

>>7475185
/a/ has always been one of the more heavily moderated boards.
>it confuses me why you can have user submissions on everything ranging from /d/ to /co/ to /h/ to /u/..... but not /a/.
Why would this confuse you? Boards like /d/ and /u/ are not made specifically for works from a certain region of the world and /h/ is barely moderated at all to start with. /a/ was made to discuss japanese comics (they don't consider "comics made by fans of japanese comics" to be a part of that category) and /co/ was made to discuss non-japanese comics. If you post japanese comics on /co/ or non-japanese comics on /a/ then sooner or later it'll get deleted for being off-topic.

>> No.7475201

>>7475193
This is not really a rule of thumb, more so a way of thinking about a page. Think of a page as a complete paragraph in a novel. Each panel is equivalent to a sentence and helps convey the larger message of the paragraph. Of course, this isn’t true for all pages but your average page is closer to this kind of method.

>> No.7475240

>>7475129
>I've never once thought about the "canon colors" of any of my comics in the decade I've been drawing them.
Interesting, What is your character?

>> No.7475249
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7475249

>>7475240
I've made a lot of characters...

>> No.7475257
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7475257

AECAST anon someone is butthurt at us(or you) and is using one of your pages on /a/

>> No.7475259

>>7475249
nta but do you ever use color for title pages?

>> No.7475262

>>7475257
lmao
>>7475161
Does this answer your question?
They are in the thread

>> No.7475267
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7475267

>>7475259
I've only ever made 2 color title pages. Just this Quickdraw cover and a doujin cover that turned out shit. I've barely touched colors.
I will need to actually figure it out to draw the cover to this book though. My editor's sent me a bunch of covers from other authors with the layer info intact, so I'll just devote a month to making a nice cover using that stuff to help figure it out. But I've never bothered to figure out any "canon colors", because the characters are almost exclusively drawn in monochrome.

>> No.7475292

>>7475257
lmao esl

>> No.7475316

>>7475249
I thought you were one of the anons from the girls in that drawing. I don't even know how to put you there lol

>> No.7475325

>>7475257
Thanks for the notification lol. On the chance that it's specifically about my work then it's a bit odd as I've used the term "comic" to describe my own stuff way more than a few times regardless if it's here or on /co/. I don't really care about the naming convention to be honest, I'm just trying to tell a story.

>> No.7475332

>>7475325
It's more than likely some 3rd world fag complaining about your style
>how dare they try and make work that looks like senpais!
Or they were tricked by your work at first, then found out it and became embarrassed

Like that tranny I met at the bar last week.
Fool me twice....

>> No.7475339

>>7475332
*three times

>> No.7475340

>>7475267
Honestly, this is the way to go. If you're drawing in black and white you should be thinking in black and white. Especially for character designs.

>> No.7475351

>>7475339
Three times would make him a lady, I know how the song goes.

>> No.7475373

>>7475316
I don't have any one series to represent, so you don't :)

>> No.7475443
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7475443

>> No.7475526
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7475526

It's pretty satisfying getting faster at drawing out pages. This isn't done but I'm happy with how it is right now :)
I'm more concerned with getting it all onto the page than making it look good right now.

>> No.7475655

>>7475443
>>7475526
keep it up

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7475829

>>7474546
thanks
I struggle a lot with breasts, they're such a pain
>>7474720
>>7474721
>>7474724
>>7474726
this looks really nice
the shower bit reminded me of the The Shinning and I really dig the concept for the little metallic spider thingies, and them communicating or doing some kind of signal by tapping on the pipes
>>7475257
holy KWAB
why is he so mad?

>> No.7475833
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7475833

Any good colour for the background wall?

Also i have never even once in my life posted my art on social media, but i think that with this i will, any good tags for getting more visibility?

>> No.7475868

>>7475833
>any good tags for getting more visibility?
That's not really how it works. You don't just post one image and get views, tags or not.

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>>7475868

>> No.7476127

>>7476118
Not that guy. But why do you think certain tags will help?
If you use twitter/instagram/etc., check your front page feed, anyone uses tags? Any new artists you like?
Post your picture with tags you think apply. Try to use the search function. Ask your friend to search the tag too. Does your picture show up?

>> No.7476389

I got banned for 2 weeks by a rogue janny and decided to just wait it out for once and see how productive I'd be. It was actually really nice not having to worry about arguments on this site and I could just lurk and check useful threads or just not visit 4chan at all. Now my bans over so I'm back to wasting my time but I'm considering getting myself locked up again so I can finish my comic.

>> No.7476405

>>7476389
On this board? You must have tried hard.
Are you that brit?

>> No.7476414

>>7476405
No from all boards due to replying to a random /v/ thread that the janny just went crazy and banned everyone for. Thats why it was a bullshit ban

>> No.7476418

>>7476414
Oh ok yeah I've had that happen before more than once. Everyone who replied gets shoad.
I was able to get it appealed before

Your fault for going to /v/ though.

>> No.7476724

>>7476118
Social media is really more about two things:
1. Frequent/consistent output.
You're not going to get anything at all from a single, first post on any social media. That's just how it is. Nobody knows you exist yet, so how are they going to find your work? You need to post things so that people gradually find you. Tags, at least on twitter, are basically useless. The point of a tag is to make the post searchable. So if you put the tag #bingus or whatever people who want to find bingus art might (MIGHT) search "bingus" to find more bingus. But just including the word "bingus" in the tweet does that too, as does putting "bingus" in your profile. You're never going to tap into the perfect hashtag that's going to launch your social media career, because such a thing does not exist.
2. Interaction with others.
This is how you grow. Think about it like this: you made something and posted it on twitter. You get a notification: "Bingus boy retweeted your post". So you click on Bingus boy's profile, and look at that, he's a bingus artist too. You make bingus art, he makes bingus art, so you share some of his works too, and look at that, you've made an acquaintance on social media and you're now helping spread each other's works. People use social media for interaction. If somebody made something you think is cool, interact with it. Like it, retweet it if you want others to see it, comment if you want the person to feel extra special that day (don't comment asinine shit, just praise it or make a nice joke or something, if you're not confident in your ability to not be awkward then just don't comment anything other than "looks great" or something to that effect). There's no obligation for anybody to share your stuff back, but they might like your stuff too and want to share it. It doesn't matter how big or small the artist. Interacting with people is how you get your work in front of people's eyeballs.

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I feel so anxious. I can't wait to get to the cool parts of my story. I can't wait until I'm done with my chapter so I can finally make arts of my characters and shit

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loomis was not with me here.

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>>7476740
I feel anxious as fuck too, i have literally 14 hours to finish so much bullshit

>> No.7476844

>>7476768
Do you have any finished pages?

>> No.7477003

>>7476844
yeah, but I tend to do batches or full chapters of sketches before going back and inking.
I've tried doing whole pages one at a time, just doesn't work for me