/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.7196039]

Is this cheating?

[Anonymous No.7196041]

>>7196039
are there proscriptive rules in drawing?

[Anonymous No.7196042]

>>7196039
No. The shit hes tracing over is the easiest fucking part of drawing. If anything, him moving that 3d model around probably takes about as long as sketching the pose anyway.

[Anonymous No.7196046]

>>7196042
What about this?

[Anonymous No.7196048]

>>7196039
Even if it was cheating who fucking cares besides losers begs on a /ic/? Life's too short to not get yours. Git gud by any means necessary.

[Anonymous No.7196049]

>>7196039
>Is this cheating?
No, because art is not a competition with mutually agreed-upon terms and conditions.
Does it lower my opinion of the art though? Yes. It's less impressive because of the tracing.

[Anonymous No.7196051]

>>7196046
Not cheating. Only cheating if he made a tutorial and neglected to show that he used models. Go ahead and try "cheating" like him and see if your end result looks as good.

[Anonymous No.7196052]

no tools only rools

[Anonymous No.7196055]

>>7196052
no jools, only fools

[Anonymous No.7196060]

Nothing wrong with tracing over 3D models. It's more common than you think.

[Anonymous No.7196061]

>>7196039
How long until tracing ai art becomes the norm

[Anonymous No.7196062]

>>7196061
It already is

[Anonymous No.7196065]

>>7196039
No.
Even if it was
He created the model himself

Still No

[Anonymous No.7196068]

Drawing from real life is also cheating. Practicing is cheating. Even looking at anything is cheating. If you were not born blind you are cheating.

[Anonymous No.7196069]

>>7196046
got to produce coom slop at a fast rate somehow.

[Anonymous No.7196076]

i feel like every "pro" level i see on twitter these days is a 3d fag tracing. im not against it to achieve something, but its one of the many factors that just sloppifies your work into sterile copies of everyone around you. you restrict your fluid ability to adapt weird intricacies into your that make it yours that you might only subconsciously draw otherwise, and oftentimes completely flatlines your development as an artist.

3d has been an all around horrible thing for artistry, but a wonderful thing for capitalistic need to produce.

[Anonymous No.7196077]

>>7196039
this board has like a list of threads on loop lmao

[Anonymous No.7196084]

Copying is a tool
Tracing is a tool
3d is a tool
Prompting is a tool

[Anonymous No.7196088]

>>7196051
>>7196069
>>7196046
>makes his own shading line for the pants
>ends up using the shading line from the model, IF he repainted that at all and not just cut that bit, blur it, and reduce opacity like with the female model's shadows
It's not cheating because there are no one to "cheat" against, but it is a pit trap if you don't actively learn or try to get more confidence on your own lines.
Think about that.
The dude took the model, said "I want the shadows to go this way...", and then backed down, looked at the model, and said "This one looks better, damn... I'll use the model's shadow"
Basically you are just "cheating yourself"
t. model user

[Anonymous No.7196091]

Don't copy the model, analyze it

[Anonymous No.7196093]

are rules, no there only tools

[Anonymous No.7196095]

>>7196062
Really? I thought it was still a twitter sin to use it

[Anonymous No.7196097]

Anything done on computer is cheating.

[Anonymous No.7196101]

>>7196088
> "cheating yourself"
Most people tracing/using models don't care about improving and rather stay stagnant, just so they can produce content at a faster rate. Very few do it due to time restraints.

[Anonymous No.7196109]

>>7196060

[Anonymous No.7196120]

>>7196046
this really isnt that much different from using ai slop to render your drawing

[Anonymous No.7196126]

[Anonymous No.7196128]

>>7196088
>"cheating yourself"
After I got good at copying reference, it felt like cheating myself to use it. I still use it. but just as inspo.

[Anonymous No.7196130]

>>7196126
all that effort... and the result I would scroll past and not give a second. lucky it was a video.

[Anonymous No.7196133]

>>7196126
fucking souless and stiff.

[Anonymous No.7196144]

>>7196046
it looks like he gave up on the bg after putting it all together, angle is meh
>>7196076
>Elin
bless you, stranger, nice blush
>>7196109
half and half on this. Adds his design and coom on top, but also explains his drawing style
>>7196126
>model has more curves than final image
that made me a bit sad, it lost a lot of liveliness

[Anonymous No.7196148]

>>7196039
Nope, but it's fucking pathetic how he uses 3D to trace such simple shapes and poses.
Like, those are such basic-bitch poses you should be able to draw by eye.

[Anonymous No.7196157]

[Anonymous No.7196162]

>>7196039
nah, he created the model himself.
nah, its the same as using an action figure.

His other skills are also pulling some weight so they dont look stiff.

[Anonymous No.7196164]

>>7196148
it's coom slop, what did you expect?

[Anonymous No.7196199]

>>7196046
if it's not painterly or an interesting style, then it's usually this method using a model. always the same boring, diffuse lighting that tasteless people enjoy

99% of anime illustrations you see on twitter are going to be using the models in clip studio and be boring as hell. if you look up to that, it's an easily achievable goal because they have no issues tracing and using every tool they can

[Anonymous No.7196288]

>>7196039
there is no way this dude needs a model to draw these hyper simplistic forms. he has already done all the work.

[Anonymous No.7196315]

Youre all a bunch of powerless losers. what are you going to do about it if you disapprove of what he is doing? Try to crab others into not doing the same?
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.7196330]

>>7196039
this is for people who have autism about making sure things are "on model"

[Anonymous No.7196411]

>>7196315
yes, actually.

[Anonymous No.7196418]

>>7196039
>>7196046
>cheating

[Anonymous No.7196448]

>>7196418
Based

[Anonymous No.7196457]

Seems like a slippery slope to just using AI. Digital truly is a joke

[Anonymous No.7196503]

>>7196039
What software/model is this?

[Anonymous No.7196515]

>>7196330
I mean that’s not really autism. If the drawing is just flat out wrong then even non-artists will notice.

[Anonymous No.7196516]

>>7196101
>Most people tracing/using models don't care about improving and rather stay stagnan
The large majority of those who do it can't with proportions or at very least aren't as effective when left on their own.

>so they can produce content at a faster rate.
True, and they have no right whining about ai. AI is the next step to mass production with the same mentality as them.

[Anonymous No.7196519]

>>7196516
True, but when they start using AI it's just going to give a lot more credence to AI images with zero editing which means the death of the artist.

[Anonymous No.7196521]

>>7196046
>>7196039
people are going to say no, because they probably have done that before. i would too, for a commission, because it almost guarantees a good result if you are competent.
but it’s not nearly as fun as drawing from scratch. you just don’t get the same dopamine hit

[Anonymous No.7196523]

>>7196519
it's called digging your own grave.

[Anonymous No.7196526]

>>7196042
This is the reason I don't use models.
Setting it up in the first place will take just as long or longer than just drawing it and making corrections as you go

[Anonymous No.7196528]

>>7196039
I once traced over the Big Iron album so I can understand the pose Marty Robbins was making. I didn't completely trace over it because the character I used did not have matching proportions. You tell me if that's cheating.

[Anonymous No.7196579]

>>7196039

[Anonymous No.7196580]

>>7196039
You can go ahead and try copying what he's doing and post back your results. (Spoiler alert: you dont draw). But really, if you need a 3d model to draw head shots or bust shots you deserve to neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.7196582]

>>7196579
ugly ass picture full of obvious 3d, not appealing to look at whatsoever. i don't understand why someone would want to make this or who thinks this looks good

[Anonymous No.7196587]

>>7196582
Kwab.
It obviously looks good.

[Anonymous No.7196589]

It's not cheating but a convenient tool that should only be used to meet deadlines. 3D tracing greatly saves time but makes your art look bland, stiff, and boring, aka 'soulless'.

Look at these examples:
>>7196039
>>7196046
>>7196060
>>7196126
>>7196157
They don't look bad but they don't look great either. I don't feel anything when looking at them. If you use 3D traced art, use it for filler stuff, panels, or moments that don't matter and you don't have enough time to draw them on your own.
Use your actual creativity, skills, and time for the big things that leave an impact and impression on people.

This one >>7196046 might be the worst one. There's so much effort put into everything else but the base being 3D makes it so boring and lifeless.
There's an attractive woman with her tits out but I feel nothing. My dick didn't even twitch. Only a madman would be able to masturbate to this. Might as well trace AI if you refuse to put emotion and creativity into your art.

Using 3D as a crutch will slowly stagnate and devolve your creativity and skills, as there is no wiggle room for improvements and different approaches anymore.
No evolution or creativity can take place, for the base template will always stay the same with the same low resistance.
You will rob yourself of your own flawed and ever-changing humanity. Your art will be perfect in shape and form without any expression or emotion behind it, just like pic related.

[Anonymous No.7196596]

>>7196457
>2 more weeks sirs!

[Anonymous No.7196608]

>>7196589
Unless you use asset store poses I don't really get how 3D could be faster
Imagine drawing this entire page with 3D models. No fucking way it would be faster than just constructing and drawing it straight away

[Anonymous No.7196612]

ive seen videos of comic book ledgends make an entire downstairs basement scene out of paper so they could draw it from multiple angles.

Kojima used Legos to make his levels in Metal Gear Solid 1.

SNK traced over 3D models to make their sprites in KoF13.

Professionals trace over their character sheets to make sure their heads stay in proportion and to make sure the artistic style staus consistent.

No rules just tools and a good artist can ad some squash and stretch or whatever adjustments to avoid stiffness.

Let the retards in this thread bark for using it. theyre a bitch on a chain behind a fence. cant do shit to stop you and cant do shit to stop other people from enjoying you.

[Anonymous No.7196615]

>KrownPr1nz got caught tracing
>still got big because of his rendering ability and use of color
>got a job working on Ghost in the Shell(worst one, but still got a job.)

[Anonymous No.7196621]

>>7196046
crazy concidence to see this as ive been super obsessed with mt lately

[Anonymous No.7196634]

>>7196612
>No rules just tools and a good artist can ad some squash and stretch or whatever adjustments to avoid stiffness
On the one hand, I don't think an artist should avoid tools just for dogma's sake, but on the other hand, it seems like an easy trap to fall into. Having a tool take care of the abstract part of a drawing doesn't seem bad in itself, but I've also heard that it can be very difficult to reset a habit learned from a shortcut

[Anonymous No.7196638]

>>7196612
Your point?

[Anonymous No.7196641]

>>7196039
>>7196046

it's a crutch.

[Anonymous No.7196662]

>>7196046
I personally don't like it because I value more actual manual workmanship but no, He had to go out the way to model the entire scene and render in suck a way it blends well with the actual subject.

[Anonymous No.7196686]

>>7196634
>bad habits
Is bullshit.
Unless you're legit sub 80IQ it takes just 30 days of discipline to eliminate actual fucking addictions like smoking and drinking.
Do whatever gets you making competent full pieces the fastest then go to an atelier or hire a tutor for a month to hammer out the kinks and you'll be years ahead of all the imbeciles worrying about "crutches" and "bad habits".

[Anonymous No.7196704]

>>7196526
Its worth it if you're setting up something impossible to visualize like an extreme angle or something.

[Anonymous No.7196715]

>>7196634
It's one duck. His name is Jim. And publishers are interested!

[Anonymous No.7196756]

>>7196704
It's fine to set up something in 3d, even if you can visualize it, and then using it as a reference. It's no different from setting up props in rl. The slippery slop starts with tracing.

[Anonymous No.7196810]

>>7196039
where can i get anime models in blender and how o i pose them?

[Anonymous No.7196877]

>>7196621
i think there's a word for this phenomenon. like learning about a new word and then immediately seeing it used in a different context later.

[Anonymous No.7196920]

>>7196039
>>7196046
If stuff like this is alright for time saving and faster production, why is AI art shat on? Seems like the ultimate timesaver

[Anonymous No.7196925]

>>7196920
I know, you could either 1:1 trace over AI art in your style or prompt with a lora your made of you works or the style your going for and fix the faults in the picture

[Anonymous No.7196969]

Is this cheating? Please answer quickly, my family is dying!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10651230/

[Anonymous No.7196971]

>>7196039
I think people can learn more from actually spending time and studying how the face morphs in space rather than actually tracing shit.
It's the best of form of freedom.
It's how I learned to draw DBZ.

[Anonymous No.7196981]

>>7196920
When did shit like tracing and being lazy justify another worse way to tracing and being lazy.
Is it the renaissance artist's problem who spent time making his painting photorealistic that some modern artists can be incompetent lazy hacks?

[Anonymous No.7197019]

Most importantly, does tracing over 3D help you in construction / proportions / anatomy?

[Anonymous No.7197030]

>>7196589
Fair point.

[Anonymous No.7197042]

>>7197019
Lol no. Muscles don't behave realistically.

[Anonymous No.7197126]

>>7197042
>Muscles don't behave realistically
wut?

[Anonymous No.7197159]

>>7197126
ngmi, too /beg/ to reason

[Anonymous No.7197202]

I tried it real quick, it looks orders of magnitude better than what I usually shit out so I'd guess it is when you're /beg/

[Anonymous No.7197228]

>>7196877
Baader Meinof phenomenom or fequency illusion.

[Anonymous No.7197273]

>>7197202
it looks bad regardless because you don't know what the shape of the cranium looks like

[Anonymous No.7197404]

>>7197126
Some models are rigged so well that you can animate the pectorals stretching when moving the arm backwards.
But it doesn't happen automatically, you gotta know the anatomy to apply the anatomy to the model. So no, you gotta know anatomy before using anatomically accurate models right.

For proportions and construction they're perfectly fine. If you can't do something as simple as correctly draw the clavicles reacting to shoulder movement in models that don't even have clavicles, you're not ready to draw people and should go back to grindin boxes.

[Anonymous No.7197422]

>>7197202
It helps if you knew placements of the head. Ears, horns, jaw line shape and skull shape are just off

[Anonymous No.7197553]

>>7196039
So where the hell do I get 3D anime models like that?
The mannequins from CSP are total garbage and don't have the stylized anime proportions and DesignDoll is pajeet shit

[Anonymous No.7197574]

>>7197553
>Here comes the areo-pwane to spoonfeed you breeeerrrrrrrwwwww
https://posemy.art/

Dont like it? aw, whos a big bad meanie face who cant google. Yes you are, yes you are.

faggot.

[Anonymous No.7197671]

>>7196515
It doesn't matter if the drawing is good.

[Anonymous No.7197675]

>>7196039
>>7196046
is using references cheating?

[Anonymous No.7197679]

>>7196981
Renaissance artists traced just as much as modern artists if not more, they just used camera obscura instead of digital tools.

[Anonymous No.7197682]

>>7197675
Using references isn't cheating
But that's not what it is here

[Anonymous No.7197695]

>>7197679
>renaissance artist who knew how to draw traised, so it's ok for digital artist who barely know their ass from their head to do it too.
>ergo no skills needed for art, AI rules.

[Anonymous No.7197700]

>>7196039

[Anonymous No.7197808]

>>7197700
no wonder comics are dead if these are the people who they look up to in that space

[Anonymous No.7197889]

>>7197679
David hockney is the biggest crab I don't why people keep repeating his camera obscura shit

[Anonymous No.7197907]

>>7196039
>Be me
>stop coming to /ic/ for months
>decide to come back
>it's still the same fucking threads over and over again

this place is truly hell.

[Anonymous No.7198103]

>>7197700
>>7197808
Same shit as, and may Loomis forgive me for uttering it, AI.
If it wasn't worth the time for you to draw properly, why is it worth my time to look at?

[Anonymous No.7198195]

>>7196126
>tracing plus photobash

based bmtol

[Anonymous No.7198308]

>>7197574
those are some terrible models, worse than the csp ones.

you've not delivered her at all, you should feel ashamed.

[Anonymous No.7198316]

>>7196039
>needing a fucking 3D model to draw a basic bitch anime head
I shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.7198366]

>>7198308
Ashamed of what, retard?
you cant google to find one for yourself let alone draw anime faces without one.

[Anonymous No.7198408]

>>7196039
If he created the model, 100% no. He owns all of it
If he knows how to model from scratch, if he knows how to rig from scratch, then he knows how to use it for drawing from scratch, unlike if he was a /beg/ he could never make a 3D model in the first place.

If it's someone else's model with zero understandance of the fundamentals then it's just a crutch that still will end up with mid uncanny results.

[Anonymous No.7198411]

>>7196061
Ai is flawed, 3D models isn't.

[Anonymous No.7198421]

>>7196638
There's a time and place for everything, retard.
Stop trying to replace everyone's efforts with one "slop" method.

[Anonymous No.7198484]

>>7197907
>Pixelfag
>AIfag
>Autistfag
>Cris chan
>Mikufag
>wacumguzzler
>Krita cults
This place is a circus.

[Anonymous No.7198506]

>>7198484
esdeath and 4months schizo are also back

[Anonymous No.7198587]

>>7196046
holy fuck, how long must've taken just to set up the reference. just go all in on blender at that point

[Anonymous No.7198672]

>>7196042
Tracing 3d improved my skill alot (had studied anatomy before). Now I don't need them to draw angles.

[Anonymous No.7198798]

>>7196042
>>7196049
>>7196051
>>7196060
>>7196084
>>7196101
>>7196109
>>7196126
>>7196157
>>7196162
>>7196418
>>7196448
>>7196521
>>7196589
>>7196612
>>7196920
>>7197679
>>7197907
>>7198408
>>7198411

[Anonymous No.7198820]

>>7196046
doing this is useful if you know the scene you want but not sure about your angle

[Anonymous No.7198824]

>>7196046
>>7196039
how do they come up with Ideas to draw???

[Anonymous No.7198837]

>>7196039
Is this cheating?

[Anonymous No.7198842]

>>7196046
It's not cheating but if you copy the model 1 to 1 and don't know shit about gesture it WILL look like dogshit. You can't get good gesture with 3d without actually warping the model yourself form the action. A friend of mine leans on 3D models heavily and no matter how many times I say their hand drawn stuff looks more lively and energetic, they keep going back to the 3d tracing because it's faster. If you're going to use 3d models, use it as reference/scaffolding to redraw the entire pose from scratch. The result will almost always be better

[Anonymous No.7198853]

>>7198837
yes

[Anonymous No.7198946]

>>7198837
At that point it's not cheating, it's stealing

[Anonymous No.7198967]

>>7196039
no, but you are shooting yourself in the foot. The Idea of being dependent of 3d models to get anatomy and proportion right, sound like something that will come back and bite you one day.

[Anonymous No.7199006]

I'm going to do a FUCKING BETTER question:
Is it morally wrong to copy another person style for only a certain thing, like only anatomy or only shading.
Is it bwwwaaaaaaaad?

[Anonymous No.7199069]

>>7199006
>Is it bwwwaaaaaaaad?
Because you said this, yes it is.

[Anonymous No.7199206]

>>7196039
>Is this cheating?
Instead of worrying about cheating, or how to avoid cheating, or if it is okay to cheat realize the truth behind the cheat
>What truth?
There is no cheating.

[Anonymous No.7199580]

>>7196084
until it's plagiarism

[Anonymous No.7199746]

>>7196039
>>7196109
Which 3D models/programs are these? Custom made CSP?

[Anonymous No.7199769]

>>7196526
Ditto, also takes away from the pleasure of drawing and style crafting

[Anonymous No.7199770]

>>7197553
>>7197574
CSP current allows you to mold the heads but its a bloatdate thats not worth with, alsp their anime perspective tools ALWAYS sucked ass because they prioritizw hands and limbs, but other body parts are impossible.

DesignDoll models are evem worse because of bad cartoony Ladybug anatomy as well as swallowed or weird limb joints, but, its for people who can visualize how the pose its suppose to be and at least has ok perspextive tools.

[Anonymous No.7199771]

>>7199746
op looks like custom in blender
read the image in the second one

[Anonymous No.7199817]

>>7198837
thats a felony

[Anonymous No.7199873]

>>7197808
Wally Wood was a god, the quote is about making a living in the comics industry.
He was under constant time crunch and needed to deliver large volumes of work to make a living.

[Anonymous No.7199930]

>>7199771
Thanks, I've been looking for an excuse to learn 3D, I wonder what the best program for posing anime girls is...

[Anonymous No.7200122]

The only thing that counts as "cheating" is tracing someone else's art, everything else is still making art.

[Anonymous No.7200284]

>>7196061
Hopefully we never become that retarded.

[Anonymous No.7200288]

>>7196920
>why is AI art shat on? Seems like the ultimate timesaver
Because the fun part is actually drawing, anon. Which this artist still did, even if he uses 3D as a crutch.

[Anonymous No.7200291]

>>7197019
You gotta put in the work to try and actually understand the anatomy if you're using 3D, as it required a level of ability to rig and pose naturally.

[Anonymous No.7200293]

>>7197202
It's okay, the necklace, ears and horns are a bit janky though.

[Anonymous No.7200295]

>>7198824
By training their imagination. Reading might help you.

[Anonymous No.7200296]

>>7196039
Yes, pretty much. This is the fast food version of Art.

[Anonymous No.7200324]

>>7198672
Was about to ask if this would be a good "practice" tool to build my visual library.

>>7196039
Any recs for modeling software? (inb4 blender)

[Anonymous No.7201864]

It's hypocritical be predjudice using 3D software when these things existed forever.

[Anonymous No.7202406]

An honest truth is that you need to trace to do the really really high end stuff. Most of the photorealistic portraits from before the camera were traced over projections. It's also good for more complex animations. See: this music video https://youtu.be/y2vzBdIejVY?si=yNZ2QyNF5eBRjJnb
The two main downsides are
>encourages permabegs to stagnate
>looks stiffer than real photos
Personally I prefer using a pose reference of a real photo over posing my own model (3d or physical) because it'll inherently be less stiff

[Anonymous No.7202425]

>>7200288
He probably meant using it as a reference anon

[Anonymous No.7202427]

>>7202406
Those realistic portraits you see in museums used grids rather than projections. Like, they had a physical easel with a grid on it of string or wire between them and the subject to match the grid on their canvas.

And all those artists that just copy from photos use grids too. It's the closest you can get to tracing without actually tracing. I don't normally use a grid on my paintings but if I'm drawing hands and having problems with them I'll just do a quick grid to get the basics down and then build the form from that. Easy peasy.

[Anonymous No.7202428]

>>7198853
>>7198946
>>7199817
I mean, it's just a heads on view of an anime girl. The eyes are radically different, the head shape is slightly different, the nose is different, the hair is completely different. It's basically just anime. You could find a thousand images with this exact expression, angle, and proportions.

[Anonymous No.7202463]

>>7202427
Can you show some paintings that have been proven to use a grid? You know like how they x-ray paintings and they can view preparatory marks like that. I'm sure some exist that show grid usage

[Anonymous No.7202486]

itt digitalfags act like their poor draftsmanship isn't embarrassing

[Anonymous No.7202494]

this is what happens when you skip loomis.

[Anonymous No.7202566]

>>7196418
That's why AI is here for you

[Anonymous No.7202639]

>>7196039
Yes but in this case at least the artist is competent enough to go without it, he probably has aphantasia or needs more inspiration than usual to get going since I don't see what would be the point otherwise. Most 3dlets don't know how to draw on their own so everything they trace looks traced.

[Anonymous No.7202643]

>>7202494
>sketch your kings
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.7202646]

>>7202427
>>7202406

These are such a cope statements. Paving way to Aisloppa, yay!

[Anonymous No.7202678]

>>7202646
no, there are objectively good reasons to trace objects, such as a commercial illustration that can be stylized after the trace. look at drew struzan movie posters or almost any other commercial artist in the past that traced/projected their work to get shit done. tracing and composition is still a skill
other complex objects like guitars and guns are almost impossible to draw in correct perspective so tracing it can be a big help, same with other complex machinery. your mechanical knowledge and mastery of fundamentals will only make your work stand out more but drawing over photos or tracing is the obvious thing to do to tackle some types of work

[Anonymous No.7202681]

>>7202678

And that's why illustrations for this kind of purposes will be eventually streamlined to AI.

Where is the "no"?

[Anonymous No.7202703]

>>7202678
this is just convincing me that illustrators are mostly 3d cope artists, and manga/animation/comic book people are the only good commercial draftsmen.

[Anonymous No.7202715]

>>7202425
Because most people don't get off to the gacha roll system current AIslop is fundamentally based on.
Why waste time generating 100 images in the hopes of an image meeting halfway up the artists' standards just to fix it or use it as a reference when you could have just sketched out what you already know what you want to draw and be done with it in the same amount of time? Yes, maybe rending that image takes longer than a shat out AI but it can't compare to the final drawing since it not being fixed to look good, it just will because it's draw correctly in the first place.

[Anonymous No.7202716]

>>7197553
learn Blender and make your own, will take some time but then you can make anything

[Anonymous No.7202789]

>>7202703
You've got it totally backward on who's using tracing the most

[Anonymous No.7202826]

>>7202703
I kek'd. You dont realize how much time saving you get from using 3D for manga/comic do you?

[Anonymous No.7202881]

>>7202463
I'm sure if I looked online I could find them but I went to the indianapolis art museum and they had a painting of an artist doing a portrait that had the grid setup in it and everything. It was like a painting of the painting.

Also some basic googling:
https://www.katrinaaxford.com/the-grid-system.html

[Anonymous No.7202921]

Yes, but also no because it stops being art.

>>7202678
>drew struzan
> almost any other commercial artist in the past that traced/projected their work to get shit done
yes, and it looks like dog shit.


>>7197202
just looks like a cell shaded 3D model(bad)

[Anonymous No.7202932]

>>7196039
Not cheating when used to produce a pose you can't visualize in your mind.
Is cheating if traced.
Not applicable towards commercial things even when traced, because money doesn't smell.

[Anonymous No.7202945]

>>7196039
Why would you need to do this over a simple fucking Profile?

[Anonymous No.7202954]

>>7202881
The question is did he use a grid to create the drawing or is he using a grid to help him transfer the drawing he created without onto a canvas?

[Anonymous No.7202963]

>>7202954
In the Study I don't know but in the link it shows the device used to make portraits and still lives onto the canvas. In the painting I saw at the museum the artist was using the device to make the paint the portrait and not just do a study or transfer over. A grid device is illustrated to do landscapes as well.

Not all artists used them and even if you did you would still need to know your anatomy and how to build form. They are just there to speed things up and get the general shapes down quickly and accurately.

[Anonymous No.7202978]

>>7202921
>yes, and it looks like dog shit.
in your view. now post examples of things that look good to you

[Anonymous No.7203002]

>>7202826
>>7202789
show me jim lee tracing or toriyama

[Anonymous No.7204412]

>>7202826
I think people just think you have to construct a new 3D model every single time you use one for your work, like generating ai from scratch each time like a gotcha role. That's not how 3D usage works and is why 3D is so preferred by companies so much because it's recyclable. That's why 3D overshadowed 2D for 25 years, despite not being objectively better for art than 2D.

3D, as a tool, is far more efficient and reusable than anything else we have right now, and I don't see that changing because the entry to make actually good models that can even mimic 2D is becoming smaller and smaller. Anyone can make shapes in the form of box men or blob people, rig it, and use to skip the blocking stage doing it by eye alone. Skilled people can make a decent replica of a character, rig it, and use it for a quicker construction for an art piece more efficiently than doing it without it if you know how to.

[Anonymous No.7204454]

>>7196039
If you already don't know what you're fucking doing then it's only cheating yourself. However it only matters how much it will actually affect you when you DON'T use it.

I don't paint with real paints, I do my paints digital, will I suffer in a situation where I don't have my digital paints? Fuck yes. Apply to 3d models. I trace over 3d models, if I don't have a 3d models to trace over, am I worse comparatively? If the answer is yes, then I'm cheating myself and don't actually know the rhyme or reason for any of the fucking shit I'm actually doing.

[Anonymous No.7205738]

>>7202826
you overestimate how often 3d assets are used in manga creation

[Anonymous No.7205845]

>>7196046
Cheating? Maybe, it really depends on how soulless you want your end product to look. This is one of the "saved once when I was horny but never reviewed ever again" type of art pieces.

[Anonymous No.7206047]

I'm considered trying to make 3d models on my artstyle to speed up commissions but every time I drew from 3d the angle just looked fake and strange. It's like when you trace a picture entirely, it just doesn't translate well to how we see stuff with our eyes, idk how to explain it it's just a gut feeling.

[Anonymous No.7206932]

>>7202428
>lol anime all looks the same argument
Are you fucking blind? No, it's not radically different. It's an unrendered tracing. It's so blatant, it includes the exact same eye shape right down to smaller details like the creases. Just because they couldn't be fucked to render the eyelashes didn't make it a different eye. The shape of the mouth is altered but the character is basically doing the same stare and smile. NGMI

[Anonymous No.7206978]

>>7198103
I mean just how long do MOST people spend looking at a comic/manga page, really? 1-2 seconds? It's not like MOST people study that shit

[Anonymous No.7207124]

>>7196039
No, but not being able to draw from imagination is truly a shame.

Plus it shows you haven't truly tried and grind construction, anatomy, perspective, anything really.

Now, if you are doing a project where it requieres heavy perspective and meeting deadlines, I see no problem with it, usually if you're taking these types of comisions you're all ready good at those skills but still employ 3d model tracing to up-speed the workflow

[Anonymous No.7207966]

>>7206047
It's called soul

[Anonymous No.7208120]

>>7202678
>other complex objects like guitars and guns are almost impossible to draw in correct perspective so tracing it can be a big help, same with other complex machinery. your mechanical knowledge and mastery of fundamentals will only make your work stand out more but drawing over photos or tracing is the obvious thing to do to tackle some types of work
this is false. tracing lowers the quality of art and paves the way for ai slop. any artist who has a decent understanding of perspective does not need to trace even complex machinery. real artists use reference and make it their own by processing it and learning from it instead of mindlessly tracing.

[Anonymous No.7210259]

>>7196039
If it was 1:1 copy, maybe. The person didn't do that here.

The equivalent would be
Drawing a hand by directly tracing over it
VS.
Using your hand as a direct reference but giving the result your own style so it looks considerably different.