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-TRUE UP 2024 edition-

This is a thread for those who want to go through dynamic sketching as a group in an effort to improve drawing skills starting from the very fundamentals. Here we share the tedious grind, crit and encourage each others.
Please specify the week you're on and if it's dynamic sketching 1 or 2 when posting your work.

>What's Dynamic Sketching?
A class by Peter Han that focus on improving draftsmanship, construction and design. It is intended for beginners, but the second class can be useful even for /int/. It covers a wide variety of subjects, but not figure drawing.

>Where to get it?

\Course\Form and Construction\

>Peter Han says to get a lot of material, are they needed?
Your choice. Honestly, just draw. Use what you have. But if you want, you can get it. You can do it digitally, but try to refrain from using ctrl+z and other features. At the end of the day though, do what you want. As long as you put the work you're gonna see progress.

>I'm /int/ (as if, pyw faggot), should I bother?
If you want to expand your range of subjects, I recommend it. It also covers a lot of fundies that doesn't hurt to revisit. I suggest you start with DS2 though.

week 1: Lines and ellipses
week 2: Organic forms and textures
week 3: Perspective, basic of light
week 4: Form intersections
week 5: (Optional) Materials: markers, paint, pencils, etc.
week 6: Plants
week 7: Redesign
week 8: Preview of DS2: military vehicles
week 1: Recap of DS1
week 2: Insects
week 3: Bones
week 4: Animals
week 5: Cars
week 6: Military vehicles
week 7: Planes
week 8: Reworking, Portfolio, New redesigns
*every week of DS2 include a redesign homework

Mess up a lot, get that mileage in, but most importantly pyw

>> No.7196011

To kick things off, here's my first week stuff

>> No.7196016
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Shit, posted without picture.
Anyway, control of ellipse is terribly hard but doing the motions every day improves the muscle memory for it. I'm still also experimenting on my grip since I get sore pretty fast, so sometimes lines goes to shit but it doesn't matter. I'm trying stuff up

>> No.7196018

why is he asian?

>> No.7196020

Why aren't you?

>> No.7196023
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And here's what I got started for week 2 so far.

>> No.7196025

post the Luke skywalker

>> No.7196028

I am, but I'm not sure why

>> No.7196030

You'll get it one day

>> No.7196034

thank you for the encouraging words, anon. perhaps you're right.

>> No.7196064

this course is asscheeks bro, he spends a ton of it yapping outside, with terrible camera angles.
the Charles Hu dynamic sketching in the ic torrent in video course general is much much better.

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I will probably not live long enough to finish the course.

>> No.7196086

Based, Han gives a lot of good advice in his livestreams, good to have as background noise while working from a pirated copy of the dynamic bible

>> No.7196111

Is the course on NMA the same Dynamic Sketching as in OP?

>> No.7196122

>the Charles Hu dynamic sketching in the ic torrent in video course general is much much better.

is this true?

>> No.7196123

only one way to find out

>> No.7196181

Is it the same schedule? If so thats sick, can pick whoever you want. Ill go and download it rn and check it up.

>> No.7196187

nah it's a somewhat different schedule but a lot of the same topics, but much more professionally executed.

>> No.7196193

Can he lift more than Han though?

>> No.7196211

No, the one on NMA is taught by Charles Hu.

>> No.7196431

Charles Who?

>> No.7196552
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Been drawing as a hobby for a few years but I need to improve my line confidence. Doing it digitally in Photoshop. What settings would you recommend?
Should I use a toned background? recommended canvas size? Zoom %, stay the same, zoom in and out for different arm movements? what about the brush and brush size? pressure size?
Tried this:
>A4 canvas @ 300ppcm (8910x6300pixels)
>White background, black foreground color.
>Drawing at Zoom 12.5%, 16.67%, 25%.
>Hard round brush
>Hard round brush with pressure size
>Hard round pencil tool (no anti-aliasing)
>Hard round pencil tool with pressure size
No smoothing. No undo, except a couples of times when I did it out of habit. Forgot about the going over the same line thing.
Canvas was a bit laggy, too big.

I know it's autistic and doesn't matter that much, just curious what you guys would recommend.

>> No.7196564

I remember the early lessons were nice for a /beg/ to get some confidence with shapes and start to feel the form, but very quickly becomes "rest of the fucking owl" and jumps into tanks and shit.

shit like canvas size doesn't matter much, but jesus dude, get a smaller brush size. Regardless of zoom level, you want your lines to be about the size they'd be if you had used a pencil on your screen, not a toddler's crayon.

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I see what you mean, how's this?
1080x1920 pixel canvas
100% zoom.
5px, 3px, 4px pixel brush. Any smaller and I can hardly see the brush cursor.
Lines kinda thick from going over them.

>> No.7196575

retard just skip digital for now and just use an ol regular pen and paper.

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fuck it we doing 1px brush

I'm specifically trying to improve my digital skills, doing these exercises traditionally didn't really help.

>> No.7196597

That's a good thickness, where you can actually tell which strokes overlap and which don't, and exactly where they begin and end.

>> No.7196599

this side of things is genuinely pointless, but his approach to drawing things 2d and gaining an understanding of proportion and shape is good before going into something

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oops I lied, that was a 2px brush. these were 1px. but 2px felt better. The waves and arcs are a lot harder. How do you decide what type of wave to do? Are straight lines for guides ok? Some got very messy, need to slow down. Enough practice for today, time to draw for fun. My bad if it's too spammy.

Yeah I agree, being able to see each line helps.

>> No.7196786

Use toned canvas when we get into highlights for textures. Until then doesnt matter. I'd say just a hard round and 1-2px. Zoom in or out changes nothing for this exercise, you'll want to practice just like on paper: about 2 inch (on the tablet), half the tablet, full length

>> No.7196791

He lays all the foundation of construction needed. After that its just observation and applying the basic forms to it. Draw the rest of the fucking tank

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Not pointless to me who has barely any control over my pen. This is just to build confidence and muscle memory. If you've been drawing for years I can see it being useless, but for someone who never draw and pick a pencil as if for writing, this is good. It practices full arm movement

>> No.7196806

For digital I would personally do 1 perfectly straight line and practice going over it as best as you can. Also I wouldnt hesitate to rotate the canvas as I see fit. Basically try to practice the movement you will use for real drawings

>> No.7197052

But it's the same content right?

>> No.7197148

i have trouble downloading the torrent, im stuck downloading the metadata, despite having a gb connection and 13+ seeders being connected. what am i doing wrong?

>> No.7197222

Not sure, it worked fine for me. I'll consider uploading the course on mega for us

>> No.7197602 [DELETED] 

update client
use qbittorrent
and most importantly
You have to wait more if the file sizes are bigger
E.g. that 1tb ic torrent will only start downloading only after half an hour maybe more regardless of your connection's actual quality

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Watched the first video of Peter Han's course yesterday and the first couple of Charles Hu's today. Hu's seems better so far, higher quality, better camera angles. longer, more thorough explanation.


tried a perfect guide line on the first ones, it helped. also tried rotating the canvas a bit, 10 degrees or so. was more comfortable, but skewed the lines a bit. will have to get used to it.

>> No.7197787

Yo am I reading this right that the torrent is over 900GB? Damn

>> No.7197790

If you ger everything, yea. But dynamic sketching 1 and 2 is like 12gb

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>> No.7197832

Stop drawing non sensical shapes without context. Start drawing something with those shapes. Why do you think kim jung gi got good grinding humans in boxes?

>> No.7197843
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Those are just the dynamic sketching exercises I did to warm-up. Also did some quick figures and copied an illustration.

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texture fucking sucks. It's hard and tedious as hell but heres some. I realize I hate it because it's something I need to actually get good at

>> No.7199549

Why are all these dynamic sketching artists Asian?

>> No.7199790

Because they made it

>> No.7199826

just don't waste your time on it too much, get into actually drawing things and the flow of line will come to you as you build better observation skills

>> No.7199827

where did you find charles hu's? it doesnt seem to be in the IC-STUDY magnet

>> No.7199829

wont be in the torrent since it's newer
it's on CGPeers, the telegram and OCC

>> No.7199845

guess ill wait untill someone posts it in the videocourse thread

>> No.7199857

its on bilibili too but only low resolution unless you have an account

>> No.7200034

It's one of these, there's a way to download from there or just stream it

>> No.7200825

i kneel, thank you

>> No.7200920

Is it visual developement or dynamic sketching?

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First time doing the one-point boxes and arrow exercises, did I do it right? Borked the top left cube.

>> No.7201901

Looks fine to me. Whats the arrow thing?

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This exercise from Charles Hu's version of Dynamic Sketching

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I have to check it out, haven't had time yet. It seems like a really good exercise

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used the shift tool on the 1point cubes on the left
done with week 1, starting week 2 tomorrow

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organic forms

>> No.7205274

Based pyw poster, keep it up. I'll prolly start this course soon because I'm feeling stuck

>> No.7205290

I’m starting digital soon and Ngl this looks like an excellent way to transfer my draft skill over from trad techniques

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I'm pretty /int/ at this point I think, but my weakest areas are still perspective and form. Didn't know this was called Dynamic Sketching, to me it's just "Draw a box" or "Scott Robertson How to draw" which I feel covers the same steps? Either way I did some of these practices years ago and stopped, picking them back up again because I'm tired of being as mid as I currently am with perspective, form and subsequently construction.

Tend to try to fill half a 7k x 7k 600dpi canvas with lines drawn over 8-9 times and a bit of ellispes and circles in there for good measure, then 1point perspective on the left side (Very loose adherence to the scheduling kinda at the point where I feel I understand a few things of what I need and should just try to tackle them)

I Try to keep my pen small so I can see more inaccuracies and work with 0 stab

>> No.7205574

>I'm pretty /int/ at this point I think,
not to crab you but like look at the state of those boxes

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Oh no dude trust I KNOW they're dog shit. Weakest area is again perspective and form. It doesn't stop me from drawing what I need to to get the job done, but it def holds me back from being better than I am at the moment.

Type of a guy who will make a good enough picture for the normies to eat, but anyone with a critical enough eye could easily see the problem areas ya dig? Don't get much in the way of studious practices, but I do draw a lot if
you catch my drift.

(A lot of "pretty" and "Good Enough" rendering can cover a lot of mistakes)

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>> No.7208271


Jesus Christ!

>> No.7209577

Nice and varied with a good feel of form

>> No.7209580

Draw a box guy was a student of peter han and copied his class lol

>> No.7211108

I downloaded both and I prefer the shorter more concise version.
The NMA course is 27 hours long...

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some dissected forms

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geo-forms with overlaps, interconnections, and cutaways. hurts my brain

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Yeah Im at this point too and it's fucking me up. Will post work soon. At least it feels like it will make or break my ability to visualize 3d space lol

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yeah it's pretty difficult

>> No.7215834
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Why should I do this instead of Drawabox?

>> No.7215905

if you have to ask, that says two things: You have no resourcefulness of your own, and you're probably too neurotic to do it without the handholding and strict rules and repetition of drawabox

>> No.7215913

That doesn't answer my question.

>> No.7217030

Yes, that’s right.
DAB is basically a free, autistic version of Dynamic Sketching.

If you’re prebeg, do DAB. If you need intensive, baby-step handholding that treats you like a retarded toddler, do DAB. If you need a lot of explicit repetition and grinding, do DAB. If you can’t access a dynamic sketching course, do DAB.

If you’ve already done Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or Eviston’s or Proko’s beg course, then you can do Dynamic Sketching. If you’re around int level, do Dynamic Sketching over DAB for sure. It’s a bit more advanced, less handholdy, and isn’t as grindy. It’s not as detailed and gradual as DAB, and assumes a little bit of prior knowledge and experience. DAB basically assumes you literally know almost nothing about drawing and have zero experience.

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Started week 2.

>> No.7218227

Bump for Sorie Kim.

>> No.7218286

DAB is absolute autism. Peter Han at least respect your capacity to learn by yourself. He gives structure, tips, exercises after that its your turn. DAB is the stemfag alternative

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Week 1 done. Getting back into drawing after 4-ish months of nothing.
Nice arrows brah
Those boxes are fuckin’ radical

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Drawing Surface Details exercise
These textures take a long time, pretty tedious. Felt easier to apply to actual forms rather than the flat grids. Some grey tones so I can add highlights. Some didn't turn out too well, might do some more.

>Nice arrows brah
Thanks, yours are pretty good too.

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Organic forms! I do these for fun sometimes, so this lesson was comfy
Nice organic forms!
Thanks, fren. That snake is awesome!

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Here's some more boxes and intersections. Kinda getting bored of this. I know I lack the fundamental skills to just move on but meh. This is the kind of stuff you can doodle on a piece of paper when doing nothing really so I'll practice it over time (cope). Moving on to next stuff for now

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well consider me a fresh convert

for I in my entire life of drawing could never fathom how to achieve that SNAP! I felt all good digital artworks had. Digital art and hood graffiti scrawl that always had a looseness and just synchronicity in line.

Stabilizer would kill the soul in my lines if i used them, but also pointless if i didn't just ramp it to 100%. No stabilizer was awful for different reasons. Someone linked me to this first video, about LAWE (line arcs waves ellipses) exercises and it's like *click*
That and switching to a screenless tablet finally, well screenless "mode" of my cintiq 16 hooked up to my USB hooked up to macbook air but instead of connecting the video part, i just hooked up a different hdmi to a bigger TV.
I've been through it all, wacom bamboo -> samsung galaxy tab s4 -> CSP cintiq 16 WITH A FUCKING EXTERNAL BATTERY-> procreate ipad pro 11 inch -> ipad pro 12.5 inch art studio pro -> cintiq 16 but screenless. (save ipad for portable adventures)

this is peak digital art making, surely. I have never been able to sketch digitally without tracing a trad piece, and i just feel like doing exercises work the basic muscles i never used much during drawing. i have seen the light.

>> No.7220472

Where do I place that link?

>> No.7220522

he's ugly and stupid while Charles Hu is intelligent and handsome

would you take advice from an ugly stupid person anon?

>> No.7220525

>no resourcefulness
then how can i be resourceful?

>> No.7220595

>Charles Hu
I watched his video on NMA. I could barely understand what he was saying and he spent the entire hour rambling about paper and pens and gouache and shit that are apparently completely optional. I think I'm gonna stick with the Han.

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I’m gonna ask this again:


I’m tryna draw same as the rest of you fuckers

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>> No.7221349

Thank you, goddamn.

>> No.7221634

no, God bless
click the check marks to select the ones you want to download (cheeky bastard) or adjust the priority on \Course\Form and Construction\ to download the ones you want first

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I did DAB to lesson 3-ish when I first started drawing, and everything I’ve done thus far in Dynamic Sketching is stuff I already did a version of, so it feels like a good refresher. I’m excited to get to the stuff I’ve never seen before. This version of the dissections is slightly different from DAB, though, which is neat.
Those are some sexy boxes
I am not looking forward to the texture part.
Ooh, nice forms
Looks like fun desu. I remember it being a mindfuck, but still fun. Wonder how it’ll go this time.

>> No.7222061

how retarded are you to not be able to google "link magnet" or "magnet link" and get your answer? actually kind of wild

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Yeah forms intersecting is fun but its rough. Its like a puzzle. Stellar exercise to really develop that 3D visualization skill though, for beginners. That and just contour lines on organic is like a magic trick to unloxk form understanding in beginners

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Yep, it’s fun. It’s a good way to brute force the ability to feel the form. Nice refresher, fun to do this stuff again. It’s not that bad except combining cones with cylinders and spheres is an absolute mindfuck. 3 pages to go!

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Textures next!

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Done with texture/surface details. Next is marine critters.

…Am I alone here? Where is everybody?

>> No.7225629


There is a way to learn multiple things at once. You can learn form, rendering/texture, lightning, perspective, anatomy.

Just draw and render the creature.

It's painful to see people staying on the exercises when they are already good enough to do actual studies.

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Week 3, aquatic animals. Thought I'd mimic some trad tools. Lane's Photoshop brushes.

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finished week 2
I have developed an appreciation for the effort that goes into filling out texture. Nice

>> No.7226062

because dab is a self-admitted rip off of ds and that streetshitter cant draw for shit.

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4 pages left of sea critters! I’m really happy I’m not the only one ITT anymore. It’s much more fun to see what other anons are doing.
Good job!
Damn, son, those look really good. They look like illustrations that could go in an old-timey encyclopedia. Good job, anon.
I understand your point, and appreciate the vote of confidence. Whichever learning modality best suits you probably has to do with personality type. I think there is also value in doing it this way.
That’s a bit like saying Charles Hu’s course is a ripoff of Peter Han’s course. It’s all Dynamic Sketching. I do genuinely think DAB is better than DS for begs. For example, on the intersecting forms, DS does a demo and tells you “draw intersecting forms. It’s hard. Just visualize how they go together. Do four pages.” Where DAB explains how it’s actually done. He explains that the intersection is a contour line that’s shared by both forms. It’s a line that travels along the surface plane of Form A and the surface plane of Form B simultaneously. Then he explains how to find it. It doesn’t assume prior knowledge at all, which is very useful for beginners. It’s a little autistic in its grindiness, but that can be adjusted by the person doing it. How well a teacher draws matters much less than how well he teaches.

In my opinion, the spirit of this general includes DrawABox as well as all the different versions of Dynamic Sketching, regardless of who teaches them. It’s all aiming at the same thing and it’s all roughly based on the same curriculum, just different people like different teaching styles.

>> No.7227943

>That’s a bit like saying Charles Hu’s course is a ripoff of Peter Han’s course. It’s all Dynamic Sketching.
No. He literally admits his course is a ripoff of peter han.
>Though I'm the one who's written the lessons (based on what I learned from Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching course at Concept Design Academy)
Just learn it from the actual person instead of this streetshitter who has not even posted work for the past two years.

>> No.7227972

Yeah, I know. But Peter Han didn’t invent the Dynamic Sketching approach/course/curriculum either. It was created by Norman Schureman at Art Center. Then Peter Han learned it from him and took over teaching it at Art center, and then Charles Hu teaches it now. There’s a bunch of different takes on the Dynamic Sketching approach, with a bunch of different courses on it from Han and Hu to CGMA and DrawABox. BTW, the original dude, Norman, got shot and killed at a party in 2010.

Anyway, my point was just that DAB is super handholdy (but autistic) and Dynamic Sketching isn’t, so (at least) the first few lessons of DAB might actually be better for a raw wriggling beg, fresh out of Drawing On The Right Side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing — and maybe even after Eviston’s or Proko’s beg course. And also I’m pointing out that, since it’s all traced back to/based around the OG DS curriculum where you learn line control and construction and then draw a bunch of stuff, DAB enjoyers should be welcome ITT.

For context, I did up til like lesson 3 of DAB when I first started out, and now I’ve done to halfway through week 3 of Charles Hu’s NMA course. I’ve also watched the first few weeks of Peter Han’s old DS course.

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>> No.7228636

>finally get through the 60+ gig torrent download for Hu
>videos are a skipping mess, clearly corrupted
...Han it is...

>> No.7229084

They’re all on online courses .club. That’s where I got the Hu course. Peter Han’s version is good too, of course.

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Kinda phoned this one in, crawfish were less fun than I thought they would be.