/int/ & /beg/ - Intermediate and Beginners General

[Anonymous No.7165774]

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

Previous thread: >>7160834

[Anonymous No.7165798]

[Anonymous No.7165799]

hmm not quite what I wanted, I wanted more focus on the ass but i guess this is the best angle possible
I guess ill scrap this

[Anonymous No.7165800]

>>7165774
how do i tech myself to draw scenes instead characters in void (any other crits are welcome)

[Anonymous No.7165803]

How the fuck do you combat procrastination and attention deficit
I swear im trying to draw, but I lose focus like 10 mins in. get distracted for half an hour, then go back, and repeat.
holy fuck, I can't be this autistic.

[Anonymous No.7165804]

>>7165800
start with the scene

[Anonymous No.7165815]

>>7165799
you should scrap it and not use the most overused pose possible for the DC sorceress

[Anonymous No.7165818]

did any of you guys that transitioned from a digital tablet to a screen table see any improvement in line quality?
is it actually worth it to do the jump

[Anonymous No.7165830]

>>7165815
i wanted to make it more extreme, like have her actually be shoving the staff into her ass and pulling the skeleton into her breasts, and make her expression more bimbo

[Anonymous No.7165833]

>>7165830
Make the ass bigger and closer to the camera with some extreme foreshortening

[Anonymous No.7165835]

>>7165833
dunno how

[Anonymous No.7165880]

critique appreciated

[Anonymous No.7165885]

>>7165833
what about this my icgga?
extreme foreshortening is very difficult for me in the z axis

[Anonymous No.7165886]

>>7165880
how do you fags find this shit attractive seriously

[Anonymous No.7165898]

>>7165798 level 8 plap
>>7165799 plap
>>7165800 mmmmh
>>7165880 add form to the lips, belly looks weird, boobas look antigravity
>>7165885 plop

[Anonymous No.7165901]

So I finally decided to draw something without relying on references, and it turns out setting up a scene is hard. Does this pose look okay or I better drop it for now?

[Anonymous No.7165904]

>>7165774
Coloring time

[Anonymous No.7165917]

plain pose or not?

[Anonymous No.7165930]

r8
don't h8

[Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.7165931]

[Anonymous No.7165933]

How good is this as an alternative to using usual method of drawing cubes in perspective?

[Anonymous No.7165936]

>>7165933
There is no perspective here

[Anonymous No.7165938]

Lately I've been doing a lot of sketching

[Anonymous No.7165940]

>>7165936
Wrong, it's in zero-point perspective.

[Anonymous No.7165944]

>>7165799
looks cool and dynamic. blog?

[Anonymous No.7165946]

>>7165936
Explain

[Anonymous No.7165951]

>>7165946
Google orthographic vs perspective projection
You posted orthographic, not perspective

[Anonymous No.7165952]

>>7165946
>>7165951

[Anonymous No.7165967]

>>7165933
ummm akschuallry its 0p perspective

[Anonymous No.7166049]

>>7165967
>I'm not brainless, i'm zero brain person
whatever if you like it more this way, doesn't change point

[Anonymous No.7166050]

Can't draw for shit and i don't know how to improve other than like grinding KTD and just drawing.

[Anonymous No.7166051]

>>7166050
have you considered grinding KTD and just drawing?

[Anonymous No.7166059]

>>7166051
Yes, i lack the motivation.
It takes 10k hours to get "decent" so my brain tells me(correctly so) that there's no reason to start today as opposed to tomorrow since either year it'll be years until i can do anything work doing

[Anonymous No.7166063]

am i improving

[Anonymous No.7166075]

critique me

[Anonymous No.7166076]

>>7165885
Now it's better

[Anonymous No.7166077]

>>7166075
what is perspective

[Anonymous No.7166084]

Waiting on a tablet so in the meanwhile I'm using mouse. How'd I do?

[Anonymous No.7166091]

>>7166059
very well then, carry on

[Anonymous No.7166125]

>>7166075
Hitler?

[Anonymous No.7166127]

I feel like it doesn't 'pop' as much as it should.

[Anonymous No.7166131]

>>7166084
>I'm using mouse
lol, bullshit

[Anonymous No.7166139]

When doing a study from reference, what shit should I actually be thinking about? I feel like I'm not "getting" this part of drawing/studying. I feel like I'm mindlessly copying things.

[Anonymous No.7166143]

>>7166139
>When doing a study
You're studying *something*. Think about that. Color, value, shapes, whatever.

[Anonymous No.7166157]

in an archived thread there was a anon who posted a beautiful drawing with filename cocodevil, it was a pixelated bunny girl in organge colors. I'm not even a furry but it kinda captured me to the point that i still remember

how can I learn to draw like this

>>7160487

[Anonymous No.7166162]

>>7166127
because you are just merging different styles, you can't just use the airsoft brush as light, in the same exact direction of the shadows, that are hard round brush, and have a airsfot brush with... the subsurface scattering, and also in the opposite side a light, white, with hard round brush. No matter how you put that is gonna look good.
Basically you're mixing different shit together in a style that you already defined as flat colors. So stick to that and get better on that instead of trying to get creative with other things that are just random.

[Anonymous No.7166163]

Hello beg. I am, as previously, working on 3 catgirls (currently only 1 badly drawn figure). I decided to do crosscontour lines (I think that's what they're called) to help me visualize the position of the body since it's somewhat foreshortened. It is impossible, the legs are somewhat manageable but the anatomy of the body I have no idea about. Spent like 1.5 hours trying various things and redrawing because with foreshortening and no indications of depth that the figure seems squat when in fact the girl is meant to be slim. Anyway, tomorrow I'll try to draw the head and see how it fits with the whole image. There is not much to give advice on this early in the drawing, and with me being turbobeg, but if you have any tips regarding this perspective they would be welcome.
>>7165344
>>7165371
Thanks for your critique, I wasn't the one who posted the drawings but it is very valuable and constructive nonetheless. Also neat cute style.
>>7165234
I like the landscape.

[Anonymous No.7166165]

I still won’t draw because I was deemed NGMI.

[Anonymous No.7166167]

>>7166157
I forget the name of the artist, try the reverse image search maybe

[Anonymous No.7166169]

>>7166162
sorry i mean that is gonna look bad no matter how you put that. Stick with one thing, if you like to use soft in shadows, then use a solid soft brush with less size so will emulate a hard path like the hard brush. You need consistency on that or the works will always looks amateur.

[Anonymous No.7166172]

[Anonymous No.7166194]

Am I still pre beg? I know my lines are still terrible

[Anonymous No.7166195]

>>7166162
nonsense

[Anonymous No.7166206]

>>7166167
i tried, the results are not the same artist

[Anonymous No.7166209]

>>7166163
my brother in christ your dedication is admirable but you are walking the most difficult path possible: bashing your head against the wall in hopes of achieving a figure drawing against all odds

without fundamentals you are literally sabotaging yourself trying to conjure up lines that are supposed to represent a believable 3d figure

if you had spent 1.5 hours doing 9 10minute gesture sessions over the course of 2 days with 2 nights rest --- you would see improvement in your drawing RIGHT NOW

you are like a monkey holding screwdriver trying to hammer a nail. you have so much work ahead of you as a beginner, the least you can do for your own sake is put down the screwdriver and pick up a hammer

[Anonymous No.7166211]

>>7166194
yes
you still symbol draw

[Anonymous No.7166216]

>>7166172
Wow I really dig this anon, any tips on learning this style? Any recommented artist or master studies?

[Anonymous No.7166226]

>>7166131
I did this in Krita using it's tools and my mouse and the reference being from Conan (pic related). If you have some other insight on my own process, then share it with me or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7166229]

I'll draw tomorrow morning.
What should i draw then?

[Anonymous No.7166231]

>>7166229
metaphysical representation of the emotion "regret"

[Anonymous No.7166257]

>>7166195
Not really, is some of the classic beg problems, people told that you need to work on the hard-soft technique in the shadows and light to make more appelaing shit, so you have two sides of the coin, in one, begs start correctly to work like this shadows >>7166167, or even here >>7165880 because the shadows are coherent with all the place even being the sketch, the same brush but going from hard to soft, or you have this >>7166127 as commented here >>7166162. In that aspect this ones are in a good path too: >>7166063, >>7166084, because they sticking with the style that are proposing, they just need to work more on that, but there is no way that those could get worse because of that choice of shadows, in terms of style, and theory.
Is important to begs to understand that because yes there is zero, none problem at all in merging styles, but yes you should at least learn the basic that apply to all, like, you know, casting shadows and light.

[Anonymous No.7166269]

>>7163649 Certainly red, quite red
>>7163654 That fact of knowing how much work is necessary to get there is an extremely important first step
>>7163656 Attempted form manipulation, good, now thousands of these
>>7163692 Thousands of these
>>7163728 This is Red Blob Senpai. You should remember that name. He has suffered for his art.
>>7163735 I like the crazy looking girl, her arms kinda look like they wouldn’t quite reach the pussy though at full extension, so that’d be a pretty cute interaction
>>7163736 Soul GMI, hopefully you do everyday
>>7163753 Crab
>>7163763 Good forms
>>7163902 Soul
>>7163944 Whatever you’re looking to produce in art
>>7163962 >>7163988 >>7163991 >>7164040 >>7164047 Hundreds of these
>>7164000 >>7164176 >>7164367 Studies
>>7164058 Anime girl big head
>>7164069 Long as you keep drawing
>>7164132 >>7164134 It looks like you're beginning to nail a certain style, now more mileage
>>7164148 Is her mouth puckered because she can’t breath in outer space
>>7164198 All bara artists have good forms by default
>>7164214 >>7164246 GMI
>>7164237 Good shapes
>>7164238 Good portrait
>>7164402 >>7165480 >>7165799 >>7165880 sexy, hot, style has been nailed already, GMI
>>7165798 GMI
>>7165800 Decorate the background with sci fi shit
>>7165931 Amen
>>7165938 Soul
>>7166172 He's back
>>7166194 Just more drawing

More suffering

[Anonymous No.7166293]

>>7165580
Can definitely take this further. But satisfied with where it's at right now.

>>7166269
The Manon portrait isn't mine, that was official concept art used as a reference to show that Manon's face doesn't have the usual anime face proportions.

Your studies are kinda wild. You're definitely in the in-between phase of finding what shapes you like and how to incorporate them. I'd hold off on painting and rendering until you can have your heads/faces have a more consistent "3D" feel to them. Makes things much easier. That being said, I like the rendering in the bottom.

>>7166194
I appreciate the Jack-O pose but yeah, your construction of bodies is still pretty rough. I'd say you're beg right now. I can sort of see what you're getting at but you're missing the consistent 3D forms and construction to get there. And possibly a little too reliant on the UwU anime face without having it fit onto the face. Keep at it!>>7166172
Messy but appealing. I like it. Though for the hell of it you should try experimenting with cleaning hatching and lines. You've got the foundation down already.
>>7166163
I really think you need to hold off on foreshortening and practice the anatomy of someone just standing up. Getting a better understanding of anatomy will allow you to bullshit your way through a tough reference or pose due to foreshortening or lens distortion. Do you have pen pressure sensitivity? I've found that line weight is so important in giving the impression of forms and shapes that having everything have the same line weight can make it will difficult to gauge perspective and angles. Share the ref if you can, I need to practice tough angles too.

>>7165938
I have no idea what any of this is, but it's delightful.
>>7165917
Anon, I can't tell if you're joking or serious. Read the /ic/ sticky and get to work. Don't let your dreams be dreams. Your biggest obstacle right now is your artwork feels flat and 2D. Solving that will be a good start.

[Anonymous No.7166300]

Hello thread! working on something a little more substantial then my sketches from last time! Still in the blocking stage cause I want to work on this piece for a while. Crits would be appreciated!

>>7165901
You should read Framed Ink. It helped me figure out how to start pieces from imagination by using framing techniques to create interesting compositions.

>>7165799
>>7165885
Both are good but I enjoy the first one more. Maybe just personal taste

[Anonymous No.7166302]

>>7165936
No I mean like, you usually draw the boxes using this method.
I'm asking if the method I posted it viable.
I'll get to figuring out drawing boxes in the other perspectives later

[Anonymous No.7166319]

>>7166269
ok

[Anonymous No.7166343]

>>7166300
The thing that stands out to me is that the two heads/faces on the sides feel like they're a little too long. Especially the character on the right. A little bit of a lightbulb shaped head.

That being said -- I kind of like it? You don't need to squish the head fully down, just tone it down slightly and I think it could be an interesting aesthetic or style.

[Anonymous No.7166344]

>>7166269
Kill yourself, you shouldn't be replying to anyone.

[Anonymous No.7166353]

When should I start with Bridgman? What should I have down first?

[Anonymous No.7166354]

[Anonymous No.7166358]

[Anonymous No.7166361]

Kiss you beg.

>>7166302
there are often dozen different ways how to draw anything. you simply need to try them all out and decide which you like. asking like this is fruitless
>>7166300
sasuke and his two dead cousins
>>7166293
i kneel
>>7166172
nice thot
>>7166084
the place where black and white hand merges into each other is SUPER CONFUSING, otherwise its very competent
>>7166075
very prebeg. I recommend keys to drawing and for the time being stick to simple paper and pencil / charcoal drawing. you will save both cash and time
>>7166063
both looks like WIP, but right is closer to completed state
>>7165931
nice background
>>7165800
easiest is to steal existing composition from photo / artwork. whatever catches your eye, reuse it and place your murlock in powersuit and soldier there
>>7166353
observation, perspective, figures. in that order

[Anonymous No.7166363]

>>7166226
>If you have some other insight on my own process, then share it with me or fuck off.
The insight is you being full of shit

[Anonymous No.7166365]

hmm getting there but it's just not enough

[Anonymous No.7166367]

redrew yesterday's may sketch from memory

[Anonymous No.7166368]

>>7166361
wtf are you drawing in?

[Anonymous No.7166374]

>>7166368
chinese anatomy/figure book

[Anonymous No.7166375]

>>7165749
It don't matter what they meant cause they're wrong. The upper and forearms are both about 1 head in length. Then you have the hand. The elbow should be about the same line as the naval.

[Anonymous No.7166377]

>>7166374
I mean what software. Are you just drawing in Paint?

[Anonymous No.7166382]

>>7166377
Im not pawel :(
any software have aliased brush but this is krita most likely.

[Anonymous No.7166385]

>>7166361
>the place where black and white hand merges into each other is SUPER CONFUSING
Yeah, I had a lot of trouble understanding how to draw that part. I figured the white hand was grabbing the black hand trying to pull it away so he can get out of the hold. I just tried my best to copy it and understand the muscles and shading.

[Anonymous No.7166388]

>>7165799
>>7165885
>>7166365
You might be a gigacoomer but I want you to look at Sigui's poses from Queen's Blade. Maybe other characters if you want ideas.

[Anonymous No.7166398]

>>7166388
i mean i like the pose i just need to push it in a direction i like

[Anonymous No.7166403]

Hipotetically, how much could I charge for this?

[Anonymous No.7166404]

Pawell motivates me to try harder so I don't stay a permabeg like him

[Anonymous No.7166410]

>>7166403
bout tree fiddy

[Anonymous No.7166429]

>>7166403
120-140 bucks honestly, it's the average rate for something rendered that much

[Anonymous No.7166434]

last one for today, i think im starting to like it but fleshing out the rough parts is gonna be a pain (the skeleton. the face)

[Anonymous No.7166448]

>>7166404
He's been demotivating me actually

[Anonymous No.7166454]

i dont get it how am i supposed to draw the big shaped first when i don’t know what i want to draw

[Anonymous No.7166460]

can't decide which lighting will match the character so i ended up with this

[Anonymous No.7166462]

>>7165774
Another one done. Anybody know what I should move on to next? I'm memorizing this specific reference image, but I don't know if I should do a few more.

Unrelated, I've been listening to DethTech while drawing this.

[Anonymous No.7166465]

>>7166172
I know this style. let me guess: you're LGBT? but you're not PoC.

[Anonymous No.7166468]

>>7166460
That looks dope! good job

[Anonymous No.7166485]

I love drawing goblin

[Anonymous No.7166489]

:D
>>7166460
this is lovely. maybe add some darker darks in places but it not nessary

[Anonymous No.7166514]

[Anonymous No.7166516]

a few more

[Anonymous No.7166520]

>>7166167
Wamu, stupid zoomers

[Anonymous No.7166521]

>>7166269
Bottom of the barrel beg
>>7166293
Ricky Burwick? Lol
>>7166361
Permabeg ngmi

[Anonymous No.7166529]

>>7166514
Am I doing alright on using crosses to mark the eye position? I suffered yesterday trying to ballpoint them (>>7165180) on a small paper. So I decided to come back and try more eyes again before jumping into torso. Weirdly, I feel like I have more issues drawing the face from the front than diagonal.

[Anonymous No.7166531]

>>7166468
thank u

>>7166489
thanks it's darker before but i thought it looks too intense for her so i adjusted it

[Anonymous No.7166537]

Can any anons recommend me a csp brush closest to left pic, i was using two diff pencil brushes but they weren't really working.

[Anonymous No.7166551]

>>7166537
I only do trad, so I can't offer any advice on brushes, but here and elsewhere I've seen you not make the shadows dark enough. at least here it looks to be a combination of slightly thinner lines but mainly lines that are too far apart. if you simply added more lines/put them closer together you would capture the likeness of your references more.

[Anonymous No.7166554]

>>7166537
dude, pick up a pencil

[Anonymous No.7166558]

How do I up my marker game?

[Anonymous No.7166562]

>>7166551
Yeah another anon said the same thing to me.
It's hard and me wanting to go fast makes me ignore the values but i'll keep it in mind, thanks.

[Anonymous No.7166563]

>>7166537
You probably just need to dick with the settings of your current brush so it can capture the full range of darkness better

[Anonymous No.7166567]

>>7166562
>It's hard
I can appreciate that. I'm not a master at rendering myself by any means, but it is precisely for this reason that you should spend time on it. that said, I can also appreciate people not wanting to worry about too many things at once, so I'm not saying you always have to worry about it with every drawing.
>me wanting to go fast makes me ignore the values
I tend to do shorter drawings myself, and I don't know how often if at all you do this, but if you don't, consider perhaps doing a mix of shorter and longer drawings. I said this to a different anon once, but I think some mistakes people make don't require more knowledge to fix, but time. you can permutate longer studies in various ways, of course, but perhaps longer studies here and there would do your studies some good - again, assuming you don't already do this.

[Anonymous No.7166588]

Render practice. Anything too wrong? Personally I'm really satisfied with it

[Anonymous No.7166594]

>>7166588
I really like everything but the freakishly long torso.

[Anonymous No.7166597]

>>7166293
> your artwork feels flat and 2D. Solving that will be a good start.
Thank you for honest answer, I try my best (*/ω＼*)

[Anonymous No.7166598]

day 2
felt even worse than yesterday lol

[Anonymous No.7166602]

:D uh

[Anonymous No.7166605]

>>7166594
I totally get what you mean lmao. She was tall and the boobs were big so I didn't notice. And I showed the sketch to a lot of people and no one noticed either. But once you see it you can't unsee it lmao. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.7166607]

>>7166300
Thanks, I'll check it out

[Anonymous No.7166609]

>>7166598
That's pretty normal, growth isn't linear. I draw most days and some days I definetly feel worse than the day before, but that's just how it feels.

[Anonymous No.7166619]

Is it garbage, somewhat salvageable? Good color selection? Bad definition? Thanks

[Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.7166624]

[Anonymous No.7166625]

Drawing every day until I stop being mediocre shit #1

Really fucked up my time management today and all I did was this ass shit doodle.
Want to do some kind of routine like 5 feet, 5 hands, 5 faces but FUCK ME am I tired at the end of the day and I have to sacrifice sleep to do something EVEN THIS FUCKING SHIT.

Tomorrow I will just copy courses.

[Anonymous No.7166627]

>>7166625
Dogshit ass progress.
Cropped and compressed to shit because I was planning to fill a 4960 x 308 canvas with tons of studies but was barely able to do this.


What new thing I tried this time? Kind of face construction and to be mindful of the anatomical limits of the torso thanks to some anon's help.
I still fucked it up beyond repair and didn't apply it properly because I am too fucking retarded and talentless to draw with proper fundies.
Now to nap for 6 hours before WAGEMAXXXING.

[Anonymous No.7166630]

[Anonymous No.7166631]

messed up on the foot positioning, I Feel like giving up on art lately. You guys have any challenges for me to draw? I'll send my shitty results your way.

[Anonymous No.7166641]

Man, will I ever be good

[Anonymous No.7166661]

>>7165880
Really pretty. not 100% sure but the balance of the figure seems a bit off?
Her right leg is lifted meaning she should be leaning her weight on her left.
The thigh of the right looks bent, but the shin seems to be receding backwards. It gets the middle of the foot under the body, but the bent appearance makes it seem off balance to me.

[Anonymous No.7166663]

>>7166661
by "thigh of the right" I mean her left

[Anonymous No.7166665]

>>7165371
Hey FAGGOT! Yeah YOU!! Where can I add you on the dang ol twitter, instagram, discord or whatever? How can I MASTURBATE to more of your FINISHED work, big boss man, buddy ol pal?

[Anonymous No.7166666]

[Anonymous No.7166674]

>>7166666
Do you ever get tired of drawing the same thing over and over again?

[Anonymous No.7166678]

>>7166641
The clothes are nice at least.

[Anonymous No.7166680]

I want to be able to draw cool creatures like the Fear and Hunger abominations or DS necros and stuff like that.
What skills do i need for that?

[Anonymous No.7166689]

>>7166680
>what skills do I need
you need the same skills as just about everyone else, but the depth of your knowledge need not be as deep as others.

[Anonymous No.7166703]

>>7166460
Anon, I.....

[Anonymous No.7166720]

>>7166703
That's amazing
Cyan inside the hair is too bright, though and needed some darker areas

[Anonymous No.7166724]

>>7166460

YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.7166725]

>>7166216
Idk, i would recommend u to study loomis and check out this artists that inspires me
@huangkm heinrich kley and dana gibson
>>7166293
Advice received and thanks anon
>>7166465
I'm not gay >:(
>>7166674
Yep, that's why i stopped drawing for weeks

[Anonymous No.7166729]

>>7166216 #
Idk, i would recommend u to study loomis and check out this artists that inspires me
@huangkm heinrich kley and dana gibson
>>7166293 #
Advice received and thanks anon
>>7166465 #
I'm not gay >:(
>>7166674 #
Yep, that's why i stopped drawing for weeks but now I'm back to draw the same things once and again

[Anonymous No.7166730]

>>7166216
Idk, i would recommend u to study loomis and check out this artists that inspires me
@huangkm heinrich kley and dana gibson
>>7166293
Advice received and thanks anon
>>7166465
I'm not gay >:(
>>7166674
Yep, that's why i stopped drawing for weeks but now I'm back to draw the same things once and again

[Anonymous No.7166731]

>>7166680
As a fellow creature enjoyer, I find myself struggling with anatomy the most. Even if you're actively breaking anatomy, you need to break it in a way that looks aesthetic and believable. I'm currently in the process of studying works from this video to build a basic foundation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3dBcPhpA80
After I'm done with that, I'm probably going to do bridgman -> some animal anatomy book. But if you are starting completely from scratch, I would focus on basic fundamentals first, there are many resources here for that.

[Anonymous No.7166742]

>>7166209
fugg :DDD
Yes, I understand this is a project beyond my capabilities but I like to undertake seemingly insurmountable problems and try to work them out (at least in art). It is a meditative experience to tinker with the lines and see what works and what doesn't. I have "succeeded" in the past with this and made a drawing that got a few ironic SOVL's from anons and learned some things this way, but I understand your point, I recognize myself that this time I may have taken on a project too ambitious for my own good, and doing this with no consistent practice behind it leads nowhere. I'll dedicate some hours in the coming few days to figure drawing as you recommend, but then I'll fucking try it again (insert murderous goofy). Thank you for your advice.
>>7166293
I am drawing with my mouse in paintnet on a laptop like a caveman unfortunately, so pen sensitivity is out of my grasp. It is only HARDCORE 1PX BINARY HRB for me (actually it's 2px for better visibility). I appreciate the advice, as I said to the other anon I will be doing figure drawing in the coming few days. As for reference, I just googled "female torso from all angles" and inspected some of the random references, it wasn't very helpful. Basically I drew with no reference (one of the greatest mistakes).
>>7166489
>>7166602
:D
>>7166631
Since the other anon did me a favour and gave me a prompt I will give back to the community and give one for you. You seem to draw fantasy beings so:
Draw a quite massive, hunched over creature in profile. Its long maw opens up with rows of sharp teeth, dripping with saliva as it gazes upon a fearful traveller with eight glimmering eyes. It is night, and it is surrounded by the torches that illuminate both the road and the entirety of the creature. Its body is deathly thin, with many long limbs ending in deadly paws. Its body bristles with rough fur, while its scaled tail ends with a snake's head. Add other details to your liking.

[Anonymous No.7166747]

I insist on using Microsoft paint, am I stupid?

[Anonymous No.7166758]

>>7165528 >>7165580 >>7166358 >>7166300 >>7166630 >>7165344 >>7165371 >>7165234 >>7164981 >>7164890
GMI
>>7165688
Yes, more reps
>>7165743 >>7166641 More mileage
>>7166354
Hey that's that sniper rifle from Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
>>7166367 >>7166516 >>7166602 >>7166666
Yes, more reps
>>7166460 >>7166588
Already made it
>>7166485
Goblin + Pussy = Gussy
>>7166489
Anime girl on beach undergoes 3-stage metamorphosis
>>7166514 >>7166529 >>7166558
Looks fine just more mileage
>>7166537
What the first anon said
>>7166598
Hope you stick with it anon
>>7166624
Wonder what she’s cleaning in all these places anyways
>>7166625 >>7166627 >>7166631 Hope you make it despite the mental / spiritual struggles
>>7166293
Wild is definitely how I'd describe that shit, these are my best attempts at speedrunning art, but I guess I can only do so much given I have no talent and have only been drawing (not just “seriously drawing” for like a year, but had already been recreationally drawing for 10+ years before that, which I’ve seen some 16-year-old /ints/ saying on other websites), but I literally have only been genuinely drawing / painting since October 2022. The painting part, I feel like I cannot stop because of how restless I am to make it.

The pain of /beg/ is manifold: to art is to already subject yourself to the regret of wasted decades of doing other shit in childhood / adolescence - and that burden is there every second that you draw, every mark you make - it doesn’t get much better when each one you attempt, despite maximum effort, despite your genuine best efforts, is still dogshit.

Naturally, this broods a lot of self-hatred, anger, regret, rage, existential dread that one’s life has been irreparably fucked.

It’s honestly better to not art at all after a certain age and acquiesce to a life of unfulfilled hopes and dreams.

But, I’m still here, thanks to /ic/’s supportive and nurturing environment.

[Anonymous No.7166764]

Fuck, Pure shits

[Anonymous No.7166766]

>>7166703
damn that looks good. i like those changes especially the ss scatttering which i forgot (i personally prefer the dark blues on her clothes to be less harsh though). thanks anon!
>>7166724
she's not a tranny
>>7166758
>Already made it
i wish

[Anonymous No.7166796]

it feels liberating drawing quick retarded sketches while not being mindbroken about the quality

[Anonymous No.7166799]

I was a little tired and distractable yesterday so this took a while longer than it should have.

Though on the plus side, I feel this is one of my better/more accurate figure studies because I took my time with it. It's definitely not perfect, the fingers don't look that great and I did struggle with her arms a tad, but I feel I did a solidish job compared to my other recent ones.

Though I am trying to aim for doing at least 3 or 5 of these a day rather than one, but I seem to lose interest after doing a maximum of 3 which does bother me.

[Anonymous No.7166827]

Sketches of the day

[Anonymous No.7166828]

Idk how people do lineart it’s so tedious desu

[Anonymous No.7166839]

[Anonymous No.7166853]

need some advice on why my pencils look better than my renders? I feel like I'm varying the line weight, so are my colors just bad? Should I not be relying on black so much if I use copics, should I do my outlines with colored pencils instead? If I had anywhere else to ask I would.

[Anonymous No.7166854]

>>7166839
Make the hand reaching towards the viewer way bigger. Foreshortening is very hard but also essential to do these kind of complex poses

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=outstretched_hand+looking_at_viewer+&z=5

[Anonymous No.7166859]

>>7166853
you need to study shadow shapes from life or master artwork. You can't make it up and expect it to look good, much like anything else.

"5 mins of looking is worth days of faking"
- Loomis

[Anonymous No.7166868]

>>7166269
Thanks for the encouragement. Still, should I go for perspective or anatomy first after gesture?

[Anonymous No.7166869]

>>7166854
Thanks

[Anonymous No.7166872]

>>7166853
If you like left more do not go black on every dip use it more moderately only for darkest dark, maybe it will help.

[Anonymous No.7166879]

>>7166872
ive seen both done to good effect - heavy black + copics which I tried to do in picrel, and scarce black. feel like im stuck in a dumb in between style

>>7166859
undoubtedly the correct answer in the long term. ive done some frazetta copies for that, but im realizing i may need to copy cape shit a lot.

[Anonymous No.7166906]

>>7166434
looks like fucking pre-beg shit
Always happens when i try to add details
2nd year of being pre-beg im finally hanging the noose tonight guys

[Anonymous No.7166914]

>>7166879
I didn't said you cant do it. it what maybe could help to keep more like a left.

I do not how to describe it but it is "if you "clipping" "here" all "this" will "clip" too" kind of thing (I know It sound like nonsense, you can ignore it).
black and white is dynamic value range cutouts (all less then this is black/ all beyond this is white ) but this is unnecessary information

[Anonymous No.7166916]

>>7165933
architectural concept image out of 10

[Anonymous No.7166927]

>finally have some free time to draw
>random migraine
god fucking...

[Anonymous No.7166998]

good morning /beg/
time to draw

[Anonymous No.7167035]

>>7166343
Yea I drew the hair wayyy too big. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.7167038]

Find your opinions and tell them to me.

[Anonymous No.7167042]

>>7167038
learn to copy and observe more accurately

[Anonymous No.7167048]

What are some good books about lighting and value?

[Anonymous No.7167063]

thank you sticky sama this was fun

[Anonymous No.7167065]

i dont really have time to draw seriously anymore. i was pushing out of high /beg/ and into low int in terms of painting and drawing. whats something i can do for like 15-30 min a day or every other day to keep my skills up. gesture? outlays of portraits/figures?

[Anonymous No.7167083]

>>7167035
Dang looks good

[Anonymous No.7167087]

Any anons have any tips for skin color with colored pencil?

[Anonymous No.7167102]

Legit question: How the hell am I supposed to "draw blind"? I'm trying to do it but my art keeps looking malformed.

[Anonymous No.7167110]

>>7167102
Like not looking at the paper? It’s just an exercise meant to get your hand and eye to work as a team, its all going to look off and weird, because your not suppose to be doing it for every piece.

[Anonymous No.7167117]

/Beg/ My second attempt at kinda serious drawing, please rate.

[Anonymous No.7167118]

While it is flattering for someone to upload your work to a booru I kind of miss having the ability to decide something looks like shit months or years later and deleting it

[Anonymous No.7167121]

You guys aren't beginners at all. I only started a few days ago and am genuinely concerned I might have some sort of motor-cognitive dysfunction. Picrel is me trying to learn values. I was going along Villpu's Drawing Essentials where this one of the first exercises is to draw a still for accurate value representation. I know that it's total shit and aside from the fucked up proportions, the values are in places not accurately chosen. I had issues in particular with the fruit which had a more complex texture. How do I improve? What should I pay closer attention to. This was my 5th or 6th attempt on the same exercise.

[Anonymous No.7167122]

>>7167110
>It’s just an exercise meant to get your hand and eye to work as a team
Is there a better exercise for someone whose hand-eye coordination's already bellow normal?

[Sticky No.7167123]

>>7167063
no problem, beg-kun

[Anonymous No.7167142]

>>7166799
I sadly didn't do much today, but the last thing I was able to do was this awful thing.

I am wondering, how the fuck do you guys draw mouths? They are incredibly hard, I struggled for ages to try and form her lips and mouth shape and it took me forever to get it looking semi presentable (at least it looked like it fits with the rest of the crappy sketch) as it looked blatantly symbol like until the last minute, where it starts to feel like it has a bit of form to it...but the mouth shape is completely inaccurate as it's too far open (and I can't figure out how to draw two front teeth without it looking wrong).

How the hell do you guys draw lips and mouths so easily? It's nightmarishly hard for me and no matter how much I looked at her lips I couldn't figure out the proper way to draw them.

Anyway, here's hoping I get good sleep tonight so I can continue figure drawing tomorrow. I didn't do any full figures today but I hope I can do at least three tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.7167144]

>>7167142
Here’s a good explanation and sample from bridgeman that really helped me.

[Anonymous No.7167145]

>>7167142
And the sample

[Anonymous No.7167146]

>>7167144
What book is that from?

And admittedly...while I get what this is saying, I think a visual explanation is probably more handy to people, especially me.

though the cylinder part I get as the teeth create a cylindrical kind of curve in the mouth. the issue is mainly the lips themselves.

[Anonymous No.7167147]

something off with the face, any help? Anyone know some bimbo moe anime girls with huge lips i can reference

>>7167038
nothing to opinionate

[Anonymous No.7167148]

>>7167145
I'm so sorry I didn't see you post the sample before I posted.

This is more useful. Thanks, though think maybe I could benefit from just focusing on how to draw lips or something for a while?

[Anonymous No.7167150]

>>7167142

[Anonymous No.7167152]

>>7167150
What book is this from?

[Anonymous No.7167153]

>>7167152
>>7167150
NVM I actually already had it in my drawing book collection!

[Anonymous No.7167156]

>>7167148
Lips are a pain i agree, mostly because they’re laid on a narrower portion of the face laid over a cylinder while the rest of the front face is flatter and curves more gradually if at all. It actually took me longer than anything else on the face to get right and sometimes still i just kind of omit them putting only a faint indication of them like pic related

[Anonymous No.7167157]

[Anonymous No.7167159]

>>7167157
Very nice anon

[Anonymous No.7167161]

>>7167121
yeah, on /ic/, everything that isn't literally flawless, professional work is "intermediate"

your work looks normal. Keep at it

[Anonymous No.7167162]

ai mogs me but at least this is fun! haha

[Anonymous No.7167164]

doing memory drawing is really taxing on my brain and i find myself making up excuses not to do it, what are some things you do to get past this hurdle ?

[Anonymous No.7167167]

>>7167164
Cognitive Drawing

[Anonymous No.7167170]

>>7167164
>what are some things you do to get past this hurdle ?
option 1, draw using references for 10,000 hours
option 2, just draw nigga lol

[Anonymous No.7167173]

>>7167164
memory drawings are a bit like doing anki with languages
you can learn to draw by just drawing (from ref), although it may not be as efficient
do whatever keeps you drawing the most

[Anonymous No.7167175]

Today I will remind them

[Anonymous No.7167177]

>>7167175
Based

[Anonymous No.7167178]

>>7167173
>memory drawings are a bit like doing anki with languages
I would argue memory drawings are more like output practice / conversations. Anki is near as shit to useless for true language acquisition, while you can definitely acquire languages through conversation

[Anonymous No.7167182]

>>7167178
both are based on the principle of active recall, they are a way to reinforce memories
neither are strictly necessary, both can be useful

[Anonymous No.7167183]

>>7167156
Tbh I think I am starting to get it. You have to draw the lips like they wrap around a cylinder...

that may be why the lips I attempted to draw started to look more convincing, as they looked more like they "wrapped" around something.

[Anonymous No.7167184]

>>7167122
drawabox homework, resting position, moving your whole arm
for sketching, mental lines vertically and horizontally to catch which side is higher, etc

[Anonymous No.7167186]

>>7167182
Anki is useless, and you can't learn a language without output practice.

https://gist.github.com/NekousagiKorou/422be363c84f5aee5b51e8ab98cba1ed

[Anonymous No.7167188]

[Anonymous No.7167193]

>>7167186
>Anki is useless, and you can't learn a language without output practice.
both involve actively recalling, so both can be useful
I compare memory drawing to anki because both are a bit contrived exercises compared to just drawing / conversing

[Anonymous No.7167195]

>>7167186
>Eat raw meat to learn Japanese
Based

[Anonymous No.7167198]

>>7167193
okay, i can see where you're coming from with how contrived memory drawing is, but in my experience, studying 5000+ anki cards for language learning with no immersion, versus doing lots of memory drawings by itself, with no other types of drawing, I can confidently say that memory drawings are on another league compared to Anki.

It's whatever though. 99% of people won't take the pains to do memory drawings, so nothing I say really matters.

[Anonymous No.7167201]

>>7167188
neat, here was the reference for mine

[Anonymous No.7167202]

>>7167161
Thanks, this is encouraging. This is the first time I ask someone for their opinion on something I drew so I appreciate to know that I'm not completely off-track. Do you happen to have any more specific pointers on what I can do to consciously improve on values while practicing?

[Anonymous No.7167204]

>>7167202
It's from Art Attack!! I remember now! Must've been twenty years ago or so when this aired...

[Anonymous No.7167205]

>>7167198
>99% of people won't take the pains to do memory drawings
exactly, and maybe like anki, it's not for everyone
plenty of people have gotten good at drawing / languages without either too

[Anonymous No.7167210]

>>7167205
no, it's the opposite. Everyone does Anki, but nobody reads ero-ge.

Ero-ge, and other forms of reading, is closer to memory drawing than regular studies, btw. With reading, you see the world, then you recall the meaning and reading. With copying, you're not recalling anything.

[Anonymous No.7167213]

>>7167035
I think it's done. I'll probably go over the top just to do some touch ups to make it look more like a photo but I'm happy with it

>>7167117
Keep studying anon, it's really not bad! You should try doing some light studies in black and white

>>7167157
I like these

>>7167188
very clean I am jealous

[Anonymous No.7167216]

>>7167202
with traditional still life, materials matter. Too rough a paper will interfere with your drawing. Using charcoal will help you get deeper blacks. I recommend taking the time to learn about these things. See if you can find a room with North Light to do your still lives in.

I also recommend the Arthur Guptill books for these kinds of traditional drawing. His pencil drawing books are great.

[Anonymous No.7167219]

>>7167210
>Everyone does Anki
your worldview warped by imageboards
spaced repetition is still niche
>reading, is closer to memory drawing
that's quite the strech
reading is input, same as drawing from life/ref
both are providing your brain with new information to source from later

[Anonymous No.7167220]

>>7167216
Thanks for the tips. All points noted. I thought about using pencils with darker colors but I wanted to deliberately restrict myself to a simple 5-value scale I had made before with my HB pencil. But the point about the paper might be true. I used 180g grained paper which I chose based on there being pencils on the front cover... I later heard Vilppu recommend a 160g grainless paper for sketching.

[Anonymous No.7167222]

>>7167219
>your worldview warped by imageboards
>spaced repetition is still niche
I do take a stroll into reddit once in a while, and it's nothing but srs junkies. Anki has a way of capturing and captivating the brainlets.

Don't even get me started on youtube

>reading is input, same as drawing from life/ref
Reading is active recall. I can tell you don't read books to learn languages if you don't understand this.

Beginners heavily rely on a dictionary in the beginning, because they don't know anything to begin with. Advanced learners don't need a dictionary as much, because they already know the meanings of the words and are simply RECALLING the definitions from their memory.

Reading is memory drawing.

[Anonymous No.7167223]

>>7167201

[Anonymous No.7167231]

>>7167222
>Reading is active recall.
you're reinforcing memories while reading, but the language is there for you to look at; you're not making anything up (like with output/memory drawings)
the same with drawing from ref: the thing is there for you to look at, and you can reinforce your knowledge by drawing it
but in both cases you also increase your knowledge because they are also forms of input: in the first you get new meanings through context; and in the second from new/more precise observations

[Anonymous No.7167240]

>>7167157
>>7167162
>>7167188
>>7167213
GMI
I kneel

[Anonymous No.7167243]

>>7167231
>but the language is there for you to look at
not the definitions. not the readings
>you're not making anything up (like with output/memory drawings)
you don't make things up with memory drawings either
>the same with drawing from ref: the thing is there for you to look at, and you can reinforce your knowledge by drawing it
reading isn't the same, because you're required to bring knowledge to the table. In drawing, if you're juts copying a ref, no pre-required knowledge is necessary. pre-knowledge is helpful, but not essential like in reading.

On the other hand, you literally cannot read without recalling the definitions of words. It's pure active recall.

Anyways, I think we agree on most everything about drawing. I'm just passionate about hating on Anki and promoting the use of reading for learning. You will probably not even find 1% of language learners who learn by reading books, and that's the thing that pains me.

[Anonymous No.7167248]

>>7166520
>zoomers
I'm literally 30

[Anonymous No.7167252]

Last drawings for the day

[Anonymous No.7167255]

I HATE SUB HUMAN LOW IQ NIGGERS AND BROWN PEOPLE! I HATE EM I HATE EM! I HATE EM SO MUCH AAAAAAAAAA THE ONLY RACES ON THE PLANET SHOULD BE EAST ASIANS AND EUROPEANS

[Anonymous No.7167257]

>>7165798
My head is so fucked I thought that was ai.

[Anonymous No.7167266]

Is there any benefit/experience gained with "tracing"/drawing over top of a reference?

[Anonymous No.7167273]

>>7167266
No

[Anonymous No.7167276]

>>7167255
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.7167278]

>>7167255
I mean all valid points aside, we’re here to shitpost about being bad at art.

[Anonymous No.7167286]

>>7165774
its so awkward please help i've never drawn two people or women before

[Anonymous No.7167290]

>>7167213
Thanks but I have no idea what
>light studies in black and white
mean.

[Anonymous No.7167291]

>>7167266
i like to draw a reference and then afterwards draw lines over the reference and then place them over my version to see how far off my observations were, it helps me see what bad habits i have with observation like making eyes too small and chins not big enough

[Anonymous No.7167301]

>>7167290
It means that you should do studies of only the values in grayscale, without using colour. Focusing only on the values of light and dark is helpful to a beginner because you can focus just on the fine values.

[Anonymous No.7167303]

>>7167255
>EAST ASIANS
ew

[Anonymous No.7167304]

>>7167290
I would assume they mean grayscale/monochromatic studies where the lightest color is white and everything else is a shade of black

[Anonymous No.7167320]

Sargent did the same shit all the time

>>7166868
Anatomy is a set of three-dimensional forms which exists in three-dimensional space, i.e. perspective. Human bodies exist in perspective i.e. three-dimensional space. Human bodies are three-dimensional forms. I don’t exactly make a distinction between the two; draw more
>>7166796
Amen
>>7166799 >>7166828 >>7167142
Push it
>>7166827 >>7167038 >>7167252
Thousands of these
>>7166839
Good shapes
>>7166879 (in reply to your 2nd reply)
Indeed, can’t beat copying the people who have already solved the problems we’re encountering
>>7166998 >>7167240 >>7167175
Amen
>>7167063
Fun isn't allowed in these parts
>>7167087
Is that an arm penis? I gotta get me one of those. I dunno shit about trad, but I guess you just build your values / forms up gradually like it’s a bargue plate if you’re using pencils (probably best to practice in grayscale first)
>>7167117 >>7167121
Looks fine to me, thousands more
>>7167157
The grind continues
>>7167290
It's when you choose a lightsource and divide the forms up into simple light-shadow shapes
>>7167304 Or this too
>>7167162 >>7167188
Portraits are tough

Many helpful anons today
Grayscale study. I wish my color were half as good.

[Anonymous No.7167327]

>>7167266
Not really, you can instead do quick figure sketches using boxes and cylinders to show direction and form ,

How the rib cage and pelvis are positioned etc

[Anonymous No.7167332]

>>7167327
dunning kruger

[Anonymous No.7167337]

>>7167332
?

[Anonymous No.7167342]

AAAAAAAAAAA I HATE ANATOMY FUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.7167343]

>>7167342
>I hate anatomy
no you don't. if you were good at drawing it, you wouldn't have posted this.

[Anonymous No.7167346]

>>7166914
Yes this is a useful resource, I hadn't thought of applying the shadows directly to life before.

[Anonymous No.7167348]

>>7167121
Nah you're slightly above expectation for a rawdog day 1 beginner in this study. You just haven't drawn enough to realize how high the skill cap is, and how much you have to learn before you can, in good faith, stop calling yourself a beg

[Anonymous No.7167353]

>>7167337
You did bad job in your example. this what he possible mean. all copy/stufy stuff is way to force to stare at stuff, you do not pay attention.
red guy understend what is going on better this why anon call you dk dummy for lecturing him.
boxes and stuff are harder then blobs because they are preicise

[Anonymous No.7167362]

>>7167266
Almost never, drawing over a reference can be useful to correct your preconceived idea of the form, if your trace itself is the same thing you're comparing it against it becomes a useless exercise. Its mostly used to teach because the teacher should already be able to construct the figure correctly and doing it on top of the ref is just a time saver.
If you can already do it tracing doesn't matter and if you can't then tracing isn't gonna help.

>>7167353
wth are you talking about

[Anonymous No.7167366]

[Anonymous No.7167372]

>>7167337
They're saying you're incompetent at drawing.

[Anonymous No.7167374]

>>7167366
this is very nice, would look even cooler if u made the background dark

[Anonymous No.7167375]

>>7167366
Why’d you spill your beans?

[Anonymous No.7167377]

>>7167337
just ignore the bots, they're just made to demoralize you

[Anonymous No.7167378]

>>7167372
I know what they were saying . but if they have any better suggestions other than :

anatomy gesture drawings
box placement/ spatial exercises
or even 2 value figure studies, they are free to suggest them,.

I just dont feel like i need to make a fully aligned perspective sketch to get a simple idea across,

but I'll try to spend more time on the illustrated idea if that helps them

[Anonymous No.7167402]

>>7167266
>>7167332
I'm gonna guess that the reference image was saved from this blog :

https://tafazulsblog.wordpress.com/2018/06/15/starting-to-learn-the-gesture-drawing-from-the-scratch/


But yeah follow their instructions and do gesture sketches and then draw floating boxes over where the pelvis and rib cage are.

Also different methods work for different people so find what method works best for you

[Anonymous No.7167405]

:^|

[Anonymous No.7167413]

>>7166799
Sauce on the ref? Please?

[Anonymous No.7167420]

>>7167266

post ref without marks everywhere

[Anonymous No.7167429]

one more

[Anonymous No.7167439]

>>7167377
I feel like if he didn't want to get demoralized he shouldn't have posted here

[Anonymous No.7167446]

>>7164208
Forgive me drawfag-sama I did not do it everyday as you ordered, I just have the one set. Maybe not the best pose I chose for an absolute beginner like myself to start with; the torso gave me some trouble because it is partially obscured by her leg and she's wearing very baggy clothes. I also still need to figure out boobs. Perhaps I should have just abstracted them as hemicylinders.

[Anonymous No.7167451]

>>7167446
I just realized I completely skipped over your multiple soft passes advice somehow, double forgive me I will do it next time.

[Anonymous No.7167452]

>tfw cannot draw faces in other than blank expression
Any ref galleries for cartoon/anime faces?

[Anonymous No.7167453]

>>7167452
just screenshot faces from cartoons and anime that you want to copy

[Anonymous No.7167454]

day3

[Anonymous No.7167456]

>>7167452
http://setteidreams.net/
https://characterdesignreferences.com

[Anonymous No.7167461]

>saw this manga recommended for /beg/ motivation
>literally just chapters upon chapters of JUST LE DRAW
never listening to /a/ again

[Anonymous No.7167466]

>>7167461
>he actually thought there was anything more to getting good other than just drawing

[Anonymous No.7167465]

>>7167439
You need to curb your ego and try to learn instead.

[Anonymous No.7167469]

I'm doing bucci's head course and at the beginning of the jaw video he does this demonstration... isn't he wrong? I feel like its more like (the green lines I did).

[Anonymous No.7167475]

>>7167142
I think they're more like this shape. It's hard to tell from the lipstick and resolution.

[Anonymous No.7167476]

>>7167461
what the fuck is this engrish? but yes, as someone who struggled through drawing only "manga" as you put it, doing fwap and keys advanced my "manga" skills much faster than only drawing manga. if you just blindly draw manga you won't understand what you're doing, the meme is real, in order to understand how to break the rules you first need to understand the rules

[Anonymous No.7167479]

I'm blind and retarded can someone tell me what those exercises are where it's an image of a certain part of a marble statue like a foot, or an arm, or a hand and the goal is to improve your accuracy by copying them?

[Anonymous No.7167490]

>>7167461
>literally just chapters upon chapters of JUST LE DRAW
you can watch the author work and see the results by yourself
https://youtu.be/jVbhyHA6tOs?t=733

[Anonymous No.7167491]

>>7167479
Bargue plates. I know you're blind and retarded but perhaps you can find a way to look up "Charles Bargue Drawing Course." I'm sure the artbook thread has a copy.

[Anonymous No.7167507]

>>7167491
That was it, thank you

[Anonymous No.7167514]

>>7165774
who is the artist of this beautiful piece of ASS?

[Anonymous No.7167516]

that old dude in the catalog

[Anonymous No.7167537]

Anyone know any good exercises to improve intuitive perspective?

[Anonymous No.7167541]

>>7167537
learn from the master

[Anonymous No.7167542]

>>7167537
do still life drawings and then redraw it from a different angle in your head,


draw a group of 3d objects together and rotate them.

[Anonymous No.7167567]

>>7167507
no problem. happy studying, anon.

[Anonymous No.7167572]

>>7167541
>>7167542
Thanks, would this be good?
>put an assortment of items on a tray, draw as normal
>imagine the whole tray rotated x degrees and draw it like so
>now rotate the actual tray x degrees and check the difference
>repeat process until brain is cooked

[Anonymous No.7167581]

>>7167572
Actually 3d software might be better since it's more versatile

[Anonymous No.7167582]

>>7167572
>>7167581
Get a box. Even a box of pills will do.
3D Software is very very very useful but it is still a 2d view of a 3d object unlike a irl object.
The lighting will also help you learn about it.

[Anonymous No.7167584]

how does learning pic rel lead to me being able to draw this
>>7167456

[Anonymous No.7167586]

>>7167584
it doesn't work off imagination and grind perspective

[Anonymous No.7167589]

Why do I feel like I can't draw a circle anymore?

[Anonymous No.7167590]

>>7167582
I have a cube. While it's resting on a surface it can only be seen from above and can only be rotated on one axis, I'll try it still

[Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.7167594]

[Anonymous No.7167599]

Hi all. Here's an unfinished drawing. There should be another focal point here, two characters playing catch up to the girl's right. It's my first attempt at at least some background. I also tried to make sure that the drawing was united by a common color palette. Unfinished because I began to suspect everything was going to be shit. I can’t say exactly what the problem is, something with the color. I know the anatomy is also lame, but I'm more concerned about the rendering. Is there a book or something that explains how colour changes in different enviroment? Maybe something must have about colour theory or something? Would really appreciate critique.

[Anonymous No.7167603]

Drawing every day until I stop being mediocre shit #2
Still wasted a ton of time but it went better than last day at least.
Tomorrow I will try harder.

ALSO FUCK SCOTT ROBERTSON AND FUCK THAT DRAW A BOX SHITSKIN. FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FRAUDS. YOU GIVE A BAD NAME TO CONSTRUCTION.
I also need to do more quality figures instead of half-assed shit figures.

[Anonymous No.7167605]

>>7167603
Timelapse. I like to think I am studying proper fundies even if I am still too fucking retarded to do anything with them.

Want to tell me how much of a permabeg I am? Go ahead. I would thank you for it.

[Anonymous No.7167622]

>>7167603
glad i dropped drawaturd real fucking fast

[Anonymous No.7167631]

I was trying to use black shadows like the style of Mike Mignola

[Anonymous No.7167633]

>>7167631
You succeeded cause before I even read the text it made me think of MIke Mignola

[Anonymous No.7167634]

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>:|
>>7167631
this is cool

[Anonymous No.7167640]

Really struggled with this pose/sketch. I think I've gotten comfortable with standing poses but anything with bent bodies throw me for a loop. Need to practice them more.

[Anonymous No.7167645]

>>7167634
Damn it looks much better now. I guess my drawing is too desaturated or something, too pale. Also, didn't noticed i fucked up a perspective of the vehicle.

[Anonymous No.7167653]

>>7167645
It kind of depends. I myself just usually want more contrast. But it is not necessary how it needs to be.

A better/ easier way to do such scenery is to find any kind of image that has the vibe/look you want and use it as reference, but not in a way this word is used around, not to copy pixels, but just reference, how saturated/ dark/ maybe what colors/ lighting. This kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.7167691]

>>7167572
yes

[Anonymous No.7167706]

my hands hurt ;_;

[Anonymous No.7167723]

My first try at a drawing sheet.
Did the parallel lines thing.

[Anonymous No.7167726]

>>7165371
Tried the cognitive drawing exercise.

[Anonymous No.7167729]

My eyes hurt from drawing all day
grindbros... not like this...

[Anonymous No.7167730]

>>7167475
Mind showing me how you constructed the mouth?

That's where I am actually having problems.

[Anonymous No.7167731]

>>7167729
Just take breaks you retard
You'll do more hours for longer
Rest is just as important as practice.

[Anonymous No.7167732]

>>7167731
I am taking breaks thoughbeit

[Anonymous No.7167737]

>>7167631
Is this an OC?
Looks really cool

[Anonymous No.7167751]

>>7167366
Portraits - multiple abstract 3D forms all smushed together but coherently
>>7167429 >>7167516 >>7167640
Amen
>>7167446 >>7167454 >>7167603 >>7167723 >>7167726
Keep drawing
>>7167594
She’s gotta get all those cybernetic implants removed by tomorrow somehow
>>7167634
That effortless imagination dinosaur - plopping various forms down into a certain lighting environment and knowing which colors to use to light the local color of it with properly is esoteric >>7167599 More mileage, study whatever this other anon who critiqued you studied
>>7167631
Soul

I’m likely to memorize more from a study if I’ve already reinforced certain shapes, hence, repetition. Any shape will do, because they’re all composed of two-dimensional lines / curves on a flat surface; there are only so many combinations; unlocking some (when you can draw a certain form / shape consistently on your worst days) then makes it easier to unlock others

[Anonymous No.7167780]

>Get a reply
>Its from this autistic nigger

[Anonymous No.7167783]

Is it normal I can't shade a ball and make it look convincing? It's something so simple yet I can't do it

[Anonymous No.7167787]

>>7167465
Oh no I've been trying, and I've been also been demoralized by it

[Anonymous No.7167790]

>>7167783
>is it normal to not have a perfect grasp on a new skill right away
Yes. Just shade more spheres. Do value scales. Watch videos on shading spheres.

[Anonymous No.7167792]

>>7167790
But I am worried, I see other people starting out get them right the first time, why cant I?

[Anonymous No.7167798]

>>7167751
>Keep drawing
Wasn't going to stop.
>then makes it easier to unlock others
Yes it all stacks one on the other.

[Anonymous No.7167807]

>>7167792
Some people walk before others.

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[Anonymous No.7167817]

>>7165774
https://youtu.be/NUPPqxZ4FLs

[Anonymous No.7167821]

>>7167446
>>7167451
ganbatte anon

[Anonymous No.7167822]

Is holding a pencil overhand a meme? What about when working digitally?

[Anonymous No.7167827]

Took too much time
Imo not worth it

[Anonymous No.7167833]

>>7167827
Cool lighting
Cool skull
>>7167822
Just try it yourself

[Anonymous No.7167866]

>>7167456
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.7167900]

>>7167898
>>7167898
>>7167898
>>7167898

NEW THREAD

>>7167898
>>7167898
>>7167898
>>7167898

[Anonymous No.7168214]

>>7167737
yeah, thanks! will fix that

[Anonymous No.7168338]

>>7166162
Does this look any better?

[Anonymous No.7169081]

>>7167121
what you dont realize is that some of us have been the same /beg/ skill level for years! dont worry keep studying and maybe some day you'll level up outta here.

[Anonymous No.7169091]

>>7167603
that is a cute af bird holyshit ! chonky bird. draw animals instead anon

[Anonymous No.7169095]

>>7167605
>>7167603
studies look good. But it looks like your copying the studies without really applying anything you learned.

[Anonymous No.7169344]

>>7169091
I was just copying some Pikatl streams.
>>7169095
Man please dont tell me that...