/int/ & /beg/ - Intermediate and Beginners General

[Anonymous No.7096463]

Cope edition
If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.

>STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
e-hentai.org/tag/other:how+to
line-of-action.com
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved? are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them? maybe a redline or a technique, be specific

Previous thread: >>7094438

[Anonymous No.7096476]

Based on a dream I had
second ever attempt at a background/surrounding environment and first ever attempt at lighting, which is pretty hard as I just found out.

[Anonymous No.7096478]

new pose

[Anonymous No.7096485]

>>7096478
More like this? Links to set/album?
So fucking rare to see this kind of lighting setup

[Anonymous No.7096488]

>>7096463
Honestly I just wish I could be more accepting of drawings that "look bad" or that are "cringe" as the kids say. Way too high standards and as a result extremely unrealistic expectations are the biggest hurdles for me as a prebeg right now. When I was way younger it was really fun to just doodle and draw random shitty anime-style drawings without caring much about perspective or construction or any fundamentals except some basic proportions really, but now I've become so critical and jaded, and all the fun has been sucked out. Is it something that can be reversed, an how? Or am I doomed to never enjoy drawing again?

[Anonymous No.7096489]

trying to draw hips (mostly) from memory after learning a new construction method. I expected worse, but I'm going back to reference now

[still not giving up No.7096498]

>>7096408
progress is slow because im sick
need to adjust the face, and I just noticed I drew the thumb on her left hand on the wrong side, kek
>>7096476
I like it, good job

[Anonymous No.7096501]

[Anonymous No.7096502]

Bros what am i doing wrong this time
I'm still drawing it so i can save it

[Anonymous No.7096504]

I failed (again)

[Anonymous No.7096514]

>>7096502
>what am i doing wrong
Redrawing the same exact picture 5 times for no reason.

[Anonymous No.7096527]

>>7096485
Got it from the IC torrent in the reference section of the torrent, it's called "Cyberpunk girl reference pictures for Artists."

[Anonymous No.7096538]

>>7096527
Could we have a link?

Also, I have been going through a phase where I feel like no matter what I do my real life studies just don't look good at all.

I am still insecure about how messy the lines are...and I just realised something.

I am actually really really bored of drawing real people, and I would rather draw more cartoony/character I like. Yet I fear if i don't draw real people I won't progress as an artist.

If I didn't feel so bored and impatient, I would actually have created a much better looking study, but when I get impatient I can't really think clearly and the anatomy and everything looks off...

That being said, I feel I am getting the hang of drawing breasts in perspective.

Any advice? Should I just not worry about this for now and come back to it later once I feel more confident and get some other pictures out of my system?

[Anonymous No.7096547]

>>7096514
Oh it's simple, it's to practice
Each version is less and less grotesque in facial features
Thought it was supposted to be that you draw face few times than draw few different faces

[Anonymous No.7096555]

>>7096538
I forced myself to focus on her face...

This looks terrible still but slightly better I guess cuz I focused on one part of her body.

And yes a part of my still rushed it.

>>7096504
And desu looking at this, made me realise that I really have a long way to go before I can draw nice looking realistic faces.

[Anonymous No.7096556]

>>7096478
I just realized that pose references like this actively make you a worse artist
Im gatekeeping why though

[Anonymous No.7096557]

>>7096538
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0aebc0f02e6c179b62e04c69af3e5adee3abee12&dn=IC-STUDY


This is the magnet link with all the courses, use it with Qbittorrent


Draw cartoon characters if it makes you draw more. Use a thicker brush too, just keep grinding and learn to feel the form

[Anonymous No.7096567]

>>7096538
>>7096555
Anon, doing head and figure studies are too hard for you right now
you're symbol drawing extremely hard, making everything flat. You're not feeling the form aka giving three-dimensionality to your drawing
I suggest going back to drawing simple forms like cylinders, spheres and cubes in 2d and 3d perspective. Once you get a hang of it, try combining the simple shapes into complex shapes.
I promise you if you stick to grinding simple forms with perspective in mind, you will improve much faster.

[Anonymous No.7096569]

>>7096567
holy crab

[Anonymous No.7096570]

>>7096567
"MUH SYMBOL DRAWING"

I do draw cylinders and shapes all the time. Lemme guess, these are symbol drawings too? People use very loose definitions of what a symbol is (confusing perspective issues with symbol).

I assure you that the issue is I keep forgetting to construct them as cylinders and I frankly I see people able to draw figures without needing to painstakingly constructing them as cylinders before hand.

[Anonymous No.7096571]

>>7096538
Try /asg/

[Anonymous No.7096578]

>>7096571
Why anime study general?

[Anonymous No.7096579]

>>7096578
For more cartoony/anime than real people if you're suck of them

[Anonymous No.7096580]

>>7096569
you're a dumbass.
>>7096570
but you obviously aren't feeling the form, just look at pic related and compare it to your ref.
you're not thinking of the eyeball as a sphere, you're not rolling the eyelids over/around it, you're just placing down a marks, hoping that it looks like the ref.
but oh well, you do you. I'm not gonna force you

[Anonymous No.7096582]

>>7096580
okay, that's better.

I am sorry but lots of people who know shit about art or are just really arrogant (I know how I come across right now) just go "muh symbol" and don't elaborate any further.

I actually did try drawing spheres for eyes and wrapping the eyelids around them, but it felt weird and usually came out awful. And I also see people not doing that who are more experienced so I just assume I am doing it wrong then too.

[Anonymous No.7096583]

>>7096463
>>/ic/7096481
Here is your explanation Mr. Pawell! You learned nothing!

[Anonymous No.7096584]

>>7096583
Meant for this Dumb Dumb >>7096481

[Anonymous No.7096586]

>>7096478
I tried doing the colors. didn't come out as I expected

[Anonymous No.7096588]

>>7096582
Eyes are not actually spherical and neither are the muscles around them, they are more like a squashed ball and wider in the middle

[Anonymous No.7096589]

I wish i was good at drawing. If that were the case i'd redraw picrel bnuy as Chiharu Shiba the funny baki character.

Oh well, maybe one day, if i work on it a lot.

[Anonymous No.7096590]

>>7096586
TRANS right is Human Right!!! :))))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.7096591]

>>7096589
Forgot the img

[Anonymous No.7096592]

>>7096586
That gun could use some work

[Anonymous No.7096593]

>>7096588
Right.

Mind giving me a hint as to what shape exercises would be helpful for constructing a face?

Like, would looking at the face and breaking it down into basic shapes be a good idea?

[Anonymous No.7096594]

>>7096582
>I actually did try drawing spheres for eyes and wrapping the eyelids around them, but it felt weird and usually came out awful.
Which is why im suggesting what I'm suggesting, but if you're already doing that, then good for you. keep at it.
> And I also see people not doing that who are more experienced so I just assume I am doing it wrong then too.
Seeing experienced artists' drawings is like a double-edged sword. You might be inspired and learn cool shape language, but you're not fully understanding the simplifications they do because they've internalized a lot of the groundwork behind it (like construction, placement of features in the face etc etc)

[Anonymous No.7096596]

>>7096580
You're seeing someone stumble walking and telling them to crawl
Crab crab crab kys

[Anonymous No.7096597]

Tfw i don't have a single creative bone in my body but still want to draw.
Migjt be fools errand but i'll try to get good in terms of technique at least

[Anonymous No.7096599]

>>7096596
Post your work.
Oh wait, you won't, because you're a dumbass no-drawing shitter

[Anonymous No.7096601]

>>7096597
Creativity is also a skill that can (and should) be trained. Go for it!

[Anonymous No.7096602]

Rough sketch done

[Anonymous No.7096603]

Kiss my ring and be blessed with art skills. Pay your homages with drawings.

[Anonymous No.7096607]

>>7096599
>>7095770

[Anonymous No.7096610]

>>7096582
>>7096570
I recommend you break down poses into these basic 3D shapes to get better at seeing the perspective and form of human bodies since it’s one thing to be able to draw shapes in a void and another to be able to apply them to more complex things. People who don’t have to do that either started out with an exceptional visuospatial sense or they practiced this sort of thing until they got good at it. Try to visualize what orientation in 3D space each body part has and where it would go if the pose were exaggerated or the action continued. If you looked at it from the side what would it look like? Draw all that using basic shapes. The more you do this the better you’ll get at visualizing bodies as forms.

[Anonymous No.7096612]

>>7096478

[Anonymous No.7096614]

>>7096478
Screwed up those legs and values but whatever

[Anonymous No.7096615]

>>7096478
how can i draw this shit without cooming? post non coom ref next time

[Anonymous No.7096616]

>>7096538
>>7096570
Keep going Anon. Those exercises are pretty useful and after a few months doing them daily you'll absolutely notice the improvement.
If you feel like you're getting burnt out and want to draw cartoons and stylized shit you can do it too. Either study artists you like or even have fun trying to apply the concepts you learned on your doodles.

[Anonymous No.7096617]

>>7096616
I will admit that I do want to learn how to draw real people badly because I know it'll result in far more appealing stylized/cartoony forms which I absolutely must achieve.

It's just hard to real things like faces and break them down into forms.

[Anonymous No.7096618]

>>7096570
>Lashes out against good advice
ngmi symbol drawer

[Anonymous No.7096620]

>>7096478

[Anonymous No.7096621]

[Anonymous No.7096627]

>>7096618
The issue was I was already drawing 3d shapes to begin with so yeah I do feel a bit confused when no matter what I do, I'm accused of "symbol" drawing usually with little guidance on how to actually fix it beyond "Go back to the basics".

[Anonymous No.7096629]

>>7096478

[Anonymous No.7096630]

>>7096615
stop watching porn coombrain, you should get horny but not to the point of where you want to spill your precious life juice

[Anonymous No.7096631]

>>7096478
made her way too long before

[Anonymous No.7096632]

>>7096614
How can I learn to render like you

[Anonymous No.7096634]

>>7096614
That neck is fackin LONG

[Anonymous No.7096635]

>>7096556
how

[Anonymous No.7096636]

Gonna freehand rest of fwap to finish faster getting a bit bored

[Anonymous No.7096643]

>>7096556
>>7096635
>retard 1: le ref bad
>retard 2: why bad
>retard 1: le ref bad because capitalism
>retard 2: true dad
>retard 1, 2: No ref, lets draw from imagination
>retard 1, 2 stay in /beg/ setting traps for eternity.
Many such cases. SAD

[Anonymous No.7096647]

>>7096627
You're not drawing the features of the face with 3d shapes, here are some drawings I did some time ago, they aren't perfect but it should get my point across i hope. Marco Bucci teaches the planes of the face in good detail, you can fins his lessons on CGPeers probably. Try to isolate the features of the face and to do study on each of them.
>>7096632
Separate values into light, half shadow, shadow(3 values), blend them with a hard round brush, add ambient occlusion(darkest value) with a soft airbrush, reflective light(has to be darker than half shadow but brighter than shadow) and highlights(brightest).
>>7096634
haha oops

[Anonymous No.7096651]

>>7096478

[Anonymous No.7096654]

>>7096592
yeah i was trying to go fast,mostly worried about anatomy desu
>>7096590
oh fuck, you say that because of the neck? wasn't my intention

[Anonymous No.7096655]

>>7096654
The implied adam apple and the color :)

[Anonymous No.7096661]

Is greyscale to color easier method when starting out with coloring?

[Anonymous No.7096662]

Hi /ic/ I'm just wondering how does everything look so far? Anything off about the proportion & anatomy etc? Also what style does this remind you of?

[Anonymous No.7096665]

>>7096662
reminds me of cris. sorry.

[Anonymous No.7096666]

>>7096662
The feet look good, but the hands not so much. The right hand is clipping through the bow, and the left hand is...well...just look at it.

[Anonymous No.7096668]

>>7096662
That left arm has a bunch of fingers huh

[Anonymous No.7096673]

>>7096655
>>7096643
>>7096634
>>7096590
Stop trying to fit in

[Anonymous No.7096677]

>>7096673
A new schizo just dropped

[Anonymous No.7096681]

>>7096654
I think you're falling into the trap of starting with volumes, instead of accurate shapes. You're laying in the figure with a bean for the ribs, a bean for the hips, but all that's gonna do for you is make you put things in the wrong place.

Start instead, with only straight lines. Block in what you see very slowly and accurately. Check plumb lines (google them if you don't know what they are). Only once you're done with that step, do you lay in volumes on top

It's very important to separate out those 2 stages in drawing. Straight lines FIRST, then volumes. Do not do volumes and placement all at the same time.

[Anonymous No.7096686]

>>7096681
>Block in with only straight lines
NTA but could you elaborate on the proper way to do that? Or refer me to some source where I could read up more on this. Do I block in larger than the volumes are intended to be and then fit the volume into the blocked in form? Smaller and then add volume on top? Differs case by case?

[Anonymous No.7096687]

>>7096647
Thanks man. Will look into it.

[Anonymous No.7096693]

>>7096668
5 in total yes.

[Anonymous No.7096697]

>>7096665
tragic

[Anonymous No.7096699]

>>7096666
fix it please

[Anonymous No.7096700]

>>7096686
Honestly, Proko's version of gesture is the closest to what I was talking about. His model of "gesture" isn't even really gesture, if you compare it to how Vilppu, Hampton, Mattesi do it. It's more like blocking in a figure with simple CSI lines. That's how I want you to approach it, basically. Anything to help you see more accurately.

Krenz also talks about blocking things in with straight lines, so if you have an aversion to Proko, refer to him

[Anonymous No.7096713]

i want to draw but the stuff i actually want to draw is too difficult for me and never comes out right
should i swallow my pride/perfectionism/whatever and still try despite it (and how can i change my mindset like that?) or just grind fundamentals until i can actually draw something properly?

[Anonymous No.7096715]

>>7096713
keep drawing what you want
use studies to improve those drawings

[Anonymous No.7096732]

>>7096715
my brain is so fried with all the instant dopamine that failing over and over i can't help but feel that i'm just doing something wrong. i suppose i'll try to keep at it for now, but it really does feel more challenging than everyone says it should be.

[Anonymous No.7096737]

I feel like I'm in this awkward middle phase where I achieved a basic grasp of the fundies and all I have to do is to hone them through a retarded amount of drawing. Like books and courses won't do much, it's all grind.

[Anonymous No.7096739]

>>7096737
Just wait until you max out on grinding and get diminishing returns no matter how hard you try to grow.
That's when you'll know you've truly wasted your life, and that art was just a trap for pretentious retards who refused to grow up.

[Anonymous No.7096744]

>>7096739
you're getting complacent and lazy, anon. There are always more effective and efficient drawing exercises out there. My improvement, even after 8 years, is only speeding up, because I'm finding out better and better ways to practice.

[Anonymous No.7096747]

>>7096739
Time spent doing what you enjoy isn't time wasted. Maybe you just don't like drawing anymore.

[Anonymous No.7096749]

>>7096747
I don't like living anymore to be honest.
I enjoy coming here to troll, however. It's the only thing keeping me going: the knowledge that I can still pass on a little bit of pain, defeatism, suffering and hostility to a new generation.

[Anonymous No.7096751]

>>7096681
Why is your filename japanese, also good advice for that anon and in general

[Anonymous No.7096759]

>>7096739
Well that happens for every art form, heard some of my musician friends talk about it too. But that's also the point where you're decent enough to start doing shit with it instead of just grinding. Publishing your works, looking for commissions and jobs, experimenting and applying your art to your other hobbies.

[Anonymous No.7096768]

>>7096751
it says "screenshot" so i guess his os is set to japanese

[Anonymous No.7096775]

>>7096681
so what you're saying is to outline the figure with super basic construction forms before more natural ones, like the bean? I guess it makes sense if that's what you mean. I'll give it a try, thanks

[Anonymous No.7096789]

Am I fucking retarded? I just don't understand the placement of her ribcage. Why does it look like her sternum is twisted the opposite way from the ribs? Ribcage is a solid bone, is it not? I understand that clavicles can move freely, but her sternum should be aligned with her ribs, right? Is it some perspective/fat/skin I am not getting? On the right I tried tracing the ribcage and on the left I drew what I assume the ribcage should look like with sternum tilted like this. I also tried pose like her in front of the mirror, but I am a fat fuck so it wasn't helpfull.

[Anonymous No.7096790]

>>7096538
>>7096555
One more picture for tonight, decided to do a gesture study (it was a slow one, where I tried not to over think too much, though the legs weren't done in a gesture style) just to try getting one more study done.

Critique away, and please point out how to fix the "symbol". Keeping in mind I did this quite quickly and wasn't caring too much about quality.

[Anonymous No.7096791]

Could I get some help on this? The angle kicked my ass.

[Anonymous No.7096792]

I know how to actually git gud really fast
and no, I won't share it
cope and seethe, I'm gmi and you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.7096817]

>>7096791
keep mind of the face being too forward next time
keep at it anon

[Anonymous No.7096819]

>>7096478

[Anonymous No.7096821]

tried copying from bridgman today as my drawing "exercises"
mostly too boring, i'll probably keep it as reference or rare practice rather than do it all in one go
it was really nice to be able to draw without using a screen even as a ref though

[Anonymous No.7096830]

>>7096792
It's animation, isn't it? Handdrawn animation is the fastest way I've seen people get better at drawing.

[Anonymous No.7096832]

>>7096681
>>7096654
You should make that redline general again. It's been a while since I had a a good laugh.
He' sets his file name to japanese because hes trying to practice his Nihon way and become Jouzu.

[Anonymous No.7096841]

crit please

[Anonymous No.7096847]

>>7096789
The ribcage can twist and turn a little bit. The shoulder can move a lot since they're not actually fused to the ribcage. And the collar bones move with the shoulders (they're connected (look up the shouldergirdle)), but are also anchored to the middle of the ribcage up at the pit of the neck. She seems to recline a little too, away from the camera.

[Anonymous No.7096848]

>>7096631
trying to apply some of that tomfox stuff

[Anonymous No.7096856]

>>7096841
Where's that neck connecting

[Anonymous No.7096857]

>>7096848
Holy shit so that son of a bitch actually works

[Anonymous No.7096861]

>>7096847
I know how shoulders and clavicles move and I am not even saying anything about them. I am only interested in sternum and ribs on this photo. Sternum should be connected to both clavicles and it shouldn't twist, it's a solid bone. And ribcage as a whole moves and twists together: sternum and ribs. Am I wrong? That's what I'm not understanding. Could you trace the ribcage?

[Anonymous No.7096864]

>>7096832
jealous lol

[Anonymous No.7096884]

>>7096864
>what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.7096892]

>>7096864

[Anonymous No.7096899]

@M@

[Anonymous No.7096907]

>>7096899
Her legs are still kinda stiff and scuffed. Look at the knee and tell me that is what its supposed to look like. Same problem with the arms too, Much more rigid/straight than your usual work. Theres also some weird shit happening with her trapezius muscles, thicker on one side than the other...Lighting scheme would be cool, but most of the shadow shapes/edges are too sloppy and inconsistently designed to look good. Its weird because you usually dont struggle with painting moreso drawing.

[Anonymous No.7096911]

how does this butt look?
I feel like somethings wrong.

[Anonymous No.7096912]

>>7096911
no poop coming out is wahts wrong

[Anonymous No.7096913]

>>7096907
Painted over AI slop

[Anonymous No.7096916]

>>7096907
I don't know who are you talking with but I'm not that person :]

[Anonymous No.7096919]

>>7096916
Spoon, I know it's you. Don't play these games.

[Anonymous No.7096920]

>>7096635
im GATEKEEPING IT, figure it out yourself

[Anonymous No.7096942]

>>7096817
>>7096791
Cute cat girl.

[Anonymous No.7096948]

>>7096841
spend more time with the drawing. Draw at a slower pace so that you can analyze your decisions. Rushing is different from being fast. being fast is a byproduct of experience. A lot of people here draw with a line quality that is sperging out, making for a sloppy finish. Not saying that you shouldn't scribble ever because there are things I like in the hair(although it is difficult to tell what's going on, the process of interpreting chaos is fun to do) and proportions of the face, it reminds me of azumanga daioh. It's been almost half a year since I last drew, so forgive me if the redline isn't up to snuff.

[Anonymous No.7096958]

>>7096948
NTA, but your drawing made my penis hard, would be even harder if you made her expression even more embarrased but good job.
Where can I masturbate to more of your work?

[Anonymous No.7096960]

>>7096861
>>7096789
The one on the right looks like they’re attached properly while the one on the left looks like they’re detached. You might be getting confused by the perspective?

[Anonymous No.7096978]

>>7096899
Nice anon! Good job.

[Anonymous No.7096980]

>>7096913
It was literally one of the reference poses in the last thread you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.7096982]

>>7096948
>It's been almost half a year since I last drew
Why did you stop?
Why are you back?

[Anonymous No.7096983]

>>7096920
why

[Anonymous No.7096996]

The struggle is real. Skipping the blog post I've barely had the time and energy to draw all month. There was an old RV on a customer's lot today and I had time to do this.
Hope you all are well.

[Anonymous No.7097041]

>>7096982
NTA but i keep coming back to it despite being very bad and not getting any better.
>Why did you stop?
Getting good is really hard and constantly failing is a big discouragement
>Why are you back?
Every once in a while i'll get a cool idea that won't leave my head and i'll decide to give drawing a shot again so i can make the idea real one day maybe. AI sucks balls and i don;t want to use it for stuff that i care for.

[Anonymous No.7097060]

I'm sorry bros i couldn't get this one right at all
Here's all my attemps

[Anonymous No.7097062]

>>7097060
This was the ref

[Anonymous No.7097071]

>int & beg
>look inside
>just beg

why did we merge the threads if ints don’t post here because begs rage at them when they do? It was a good idea at first, ints could have helped the begs. But such a thing doesn’t happen, so it should just be beg only.

[Anonymous No.7097075]

>>7097062
Would it be retarded if i did it maybe once more?
Maybe it will get better 6th attempt

[Anonymous No.7097076]

>>7096463
What is the best way to learn how to paint like those guys in artstation? who has the best course for a beginner? idk which colors to use and what brush should I apply it to. This is my latest drawing I did just now. I know the light, shadow etc. but when it comes to applying them, my mind went blank.

[Anonymous No.7097093]

>>7097076
how it need to look like? artstation thing but specific. I don't have answers by the way

[Anonymous No.7097098]

I was tired today, so y'all getting modern art.

>>7097060
I think I told you before. Stop using this paper. Get non lined, A2. You are making this hard for yourself. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.7097099]

How many draws you guys do in the day? When i start its difficult to stop but its pretty hard to start

[Anonymous No.7097106]

>>7097099
I draw once a month or I have even bigger breaks between pieces. I'm just really lazy

[Anonymous No.7097110]

>>7097093
like this

[Anonymous No.7097117]

>>7096463
how do you draw hair in a specific patter like anime does? like a few big strokes of hair, it always comes out shit when I do it and I crush on these hairstyles like pic rel

[Anonymous No.7097119]

>>7097110
oh this is straight on panting. reject line embrace blob kind. I'm sure people will recommend something

[Anonymous No.7097124]

which is better, loomis, or bridgman? or neither?

[Anonymous No.7097125]

>>7097124
hampton

[Anonymous No.7097128]

>>7097099
You would do well by starting drawing each day by doing some mindless line exercises then transition into real drawing. If you can draw a lot everyday you’re gmi.

[Anonymous No.7097133]

>>7097124
All of them really. Loomis is a good introduction for beginners and covers multiple subjects, Bridgman teaches you how to simplify the human form and is more loose in his approach while Hampton is more methodical and heavily focused on construction.
Arguing about drawing books is pretty pointless, niggas on thos board unironically act like you're stuck with a single one for the rest of your life. When ideally if you draw a lot you'll be able to get through all of them pretty quickly and find what works for you best.

[Anonymous No.7097136]

I've been copying drawings from Harding, this is my most recent one.

[Anonymous No.7097139]

[Anonymous No.7097156]

>>7097139
i like it but bad for sex

[Anonymous No.7097160]

day x of learning the origin and insertion of every muscle in the human body which also means you have to know the bones as well

[Anonymous No.7097171]

>>7097160
This is cool. What references are you using for anatomy?

[Anonymous No.7097175]

>>7097171
whatever i can get my hands on

[Anonymous No.7097183]

One more modern art painting, express that shit.

[Anonymous No.7097192]

I was looking JAVs for inspo…

[Anonymous No.7097206]

>>7097110
>>7097119
Yup. Give me more of that muddy, messy, shapeless color blob that vaguely resemble the drawing subjects. Most painter "chad" have small penises and love to sniff their own fart.

[Anonymous No.7097208]

>>7096982
I didn't find drawing fun anymore. I also realized that there wasn't anything I wanted to make, not even cute girls in swimsuits or any stories. So I stopped, I'll draw again when I feel like it come up again

[Anonymous No.7097211]

I feel like my shitposts are getting a little better
Is this turning anyone on yet?

[Anonymous No.7097212]

>>7097211
Foul beast is like something straight out of Drawfee.

[Anonymous No.7097213]

>>7097208
cont'd

I think the best advice I can give, and this goes for most things, is to just relax. Relax and then relax some more. Getting all serious and stressed over anything won't make what you're doing any easier and will only serve as a detriment to your performance. It's the same process whether it be art, boxing, kendo, weightlifting, or school.

[Anonymous No.7097217]

I need to get out of my room
I need to go somewhere I couldnt possibly do anything but draw

[Anonymous No.7097238]

>>7097192
moar

[Anonymous No.7097248]

>>7096538

[Anonymous No.7097306]

Does anyone know the name of the study where one draws shadow shapes of the figure only?
I was looking through the stickies and can't find it

[Anonymous No.7097313]

>>7096749
that's incredibly sad and i hope one day you will find something that brings back that light into your life that makes it worth living

[Anonymous No.7097315]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbisNyhX0_Y
The person talking shit to you.

[Anonymous No.7097316]

>>7097313
What would make me happy is if you fucking died and I got to watch, you piece of subhuman shit. You are a festering stain on this planet. Nothing you do will ever matter. Kill yourself. Kill yourself KILL YOURSELF

[Anonymous No.7097318]

>>7097316
you're incredibly cringe. get your life together. get a job and clean your room child

[Anonymous No.7097322]

Second draft

[Anonymous No.7097323]

>>7097318
I have hurt others in unimaginable ways. I have killed animals for pleasure.
I fantasize daily about cutting the faces off of youtubers.
It's too late for me.
Save yourself. Run you fucking faggot. /ic/ is hell
You will be like me.

[Anonymous No.7097328]

Imagination drawing, prolly shoulda warmed up for this but whatever, I drew today despite some wonky proportions. Was nice trying to practice something outside of life drawing/KtD slop. back to the grind tomorrow

>>7097217
Do what I do and either go to a separate room in your house, or find a nearby cafe/library if you got one. Doesn't even have to be that, either-- if you ride a bus or train in your day to day life, use that time to do drawing.

>>7097322
based gundam enjoyer, I really like the effects you did on the gem

[Anonymous No.7097329]

>>7097316
>Meanwhile on /int/ & /beg/
What the hell have you faggots been doing to each other kek

[Anonymous No.7097330]

>>7097192
jufe287

[Anonymous No.7097333]

>>7097329
this place is some lord of the flies shit that's for sure

[Anonymous No.7097335]

>>7097329
>local shizos posting shizo stuff
it is always was traditional component of it, nothing to see here

[Anonymous No.7097340]

:)

[Anonymous No.7097344]

who is the king of /beg/s?

[Anonymous No.7097352]

Why is shading titties so hard? Any tips and tricks?

[Anonymous No.7097377]

opinions? does the butt look good?

[Anonymous No.7097383]

>>7096948
Thank you anon. You're right I only took 10 minutes so I'll try to take longer. It means a lot to compare it to azumanga daioh!

[Anonymous No.7097387]

What's the best anatomy book to reference 3d planes and proportion ratios?

[Anonymous No.7097388]

>>7096832
now draw a kangaroo from imagination

[Anonymous No.7097398]

>>7097387
>3d planes
Life drawing and master copies. There are literally an infinite amount of shapes a body could take, and it takes a lifetime to learn.
>proportion ratios
Any book will do for that. Very simple stuff.

[Anonymous No.7097408]

[Anonymous No.7097411]

[Anonymous No.7097412]

What do you use for a mood/inspiration/reference board? I'm just putting images in different folders, but it's kind of clunky and I feel like there has to be an app or something to make it easier.

[Anonymous No.7097420]

>>7097412
pinterest and make boards on it.

[Anonymous No.7097423]

[Anonymous No.7097424]

As an int, why would I keep giving advice in this thread if it just gets ignored and/or shat on?
and there's schizos who just straight up refuse to get better and instead dedicate their time trolling and crabbing
it's simply just not worth it

[Anonymous No.7097427]

>>7097424
I redline begs to boost my ego and demotivate the weak minded

[Anonymous No.7097428]

>>7097427
sounds based.

[Anonymous No.7097430]

>>7097424
then don't. it seems no one interested in what you have to say anyway. beter if you don't

[Anonymous No.7097441]

>>7097424
can you link to an e.g. of your advice?
the only person who's given me advice since i started posting in these threads was pawell and it was immediately obvious i should ignore it even before i knew what he was

[Anonymous No.7097446]

>>7097427
How redline can demotivate anyone? If this is what you believe it's unlikely you are capable to draw.

[Anonymous No.7097447]

>>7097316
Sorry, shouldn't have given up the game. Now I know that anytime I see a frustrating poster here it's just a sad hurt child helplessly lashing out. Sending love you way, anon.

[Anonymous No.7097479]

Most recent drawing, I know the right leg is too long and the left arm is too short aswell as having bad forshortening but I’m too beg to see anything else. Any critique would be appreciated :)

[Anonymous No.7097480]

Trying for better faces

[Anonymous No.7097486]

I am the day 2 newfag from yesterday. Guys, how do I make her boobs and the arm on the left look better? I think I should should used a smaller brush, but what else should I have done to make? I think I drew them before I downloaded lazynezumi so that's probably why they look stiff compared to the rest. Still learning how to use photoshop.

[Anonymous No.7097490]

>>7097479
You should show less on the reciding side of the body to better imply perspective and depth.
You're probably too beg to understand this though, so I will just give you my usual advice: grind simple forms in basic perspective, then combine them into complex forms once you feel like you have the hang of it

[Anonymous No.7097499]

What would be the best way to color the lineart on this?
I feel like it is missing something color-wise but each time I color the lineart it looks bad and is obvious I definitely do not know what I am doing

[Anonymous No.7097501]

>>7097499
Think of the light source + underlying form when coloring the lines. This is completely up to you though, there's so no definitive answer to it, it's just your choice of style™
For a more advanced result, keep bounce/reflected light in mind.

[Anonymous No.7097502]

[Anonymous No.7097508]

>>7097486
>Day 2
>Better than me at month 3
I'm quitting and killing myself within weeks from now. iT'S OVER

[Anonymous No.7097512]

>>7097508
don't worry, once you're further along you'll see how wrong you were

[Anonymous No.7097522]

>>7097508
I used to draw but that was like 20 years ago to be honest. Still a beginner.

[Anonymous No.7097525]

>>7097110
copy master paintings. all those artstation bros do it. Waterhouse, Sargent, Alma Tadema, Bouguereau etc. Make sure you are making your own paintings soon after each study too, so you apply little things you pick up from the study and lock it in. use ref(photos of yourself are free) for your own work too, the masters all did.

[Anonymous No.7097526]

>>7097206
>filtered by painting
Just paint bro.

[Anonymous No.7097528]

>>7097206
cope
seethe
paint more

[Anonymous No.7097530]

[Anonymous No.7097538]

do you have any tips for improving the proportions in drawings? I can never get the proportions right, whether it's the face, the objects, but especially the faces, so the faces never look like the model. I study Loomis and Reilly and even so I can't get the proportions right to make the face look the same, please help me.

[Anonymous No.7097544]

>>7097538
Sounds like an observation issue.
Try doing still life or the krenz exercise regarding block-in
Also, it just takes a lot of time to develop your observation, just keep at it.

[Anonymous No.7097545]

Drew this on krita, pretty new to drawing but enjoying life-like art. Any critique please?
>>7096478
Will try later, maybe.
>>7096570
Good exercises. I need to do.
>>7096599
Looks great!

[Anonymous No.7097552]

I finished the book yesterday. Had a go at 3 point perspective with some varying vanishing points, and tried some rotations on some of them


How do they look to you guys? Do they feel placed in correctly?

[Anonymous No.7097557]

[Anonymous No.7097558]

I absolutely nuked this sketch when I tried to add shading to it. I have an easy time copying shadows when it's a black and white picture, but subtler color photos is so difficult. How do I gain better control of my values?

[Anonymous No.7097559]

I drew this after the two week break I was on. It doesn't look that good and the style I guess is an acquired taste. The fingers I need to get better at drawing as they look so crooked.

[Anonymous No.7097564]

>>7097559
>and the style I guess is an acquired taste
your "style" is lacking anatomy, perspective and proportion knowledge

[Anonymous No.7097567]

>>7097564
It's actually not my style, just what references provided (I don't think I have a style yet).

Mind showing me how I can improve it? Redline it if you can, I honestly would love to see how to improve it as it's super useful.

[Anonymous No.7097577]

[Anonymous No.7097584]

It's loomover

[Anonymous No.7097588]

>>7097486
you must feel ze booba

[Anonymous No.7097589]

>>7097564
>>7097567
I don't actually mind getting criticism for what I draw. I mean I actually want it, but there needs to be more than it than "This element here looks off" as that doesn't really tell me enough to actually work with.

If the intention is to get me to just learn those things in general...it's still helpful to point out how to improve it as that'll actually help me get better at those specific things.

I really love the redline critiques as they really are illuminating and do help a lot. It's just the more vague critiques which aren't helpful and just feel annoying and lazy.

[Anonymous No.7097591]

>>7097589
you usually get those critiques when there doesn't seem to be much effort in the drawing
a good starting point is to post your reference so we know what you're trying to achieve

[Anonymous No.7097593]

[Anonymous No.7097595]

>>7097591
It's a somewhat anime like cartoony art style, not really that different from anime in terms of how perspective would work.

[Anonymous No.7097597]

>>7097595
there are a gazillion cartoon/anime styles, post an image which matches your goal
is the thing you drew something you made up or an existing character? if the latter, post it too

[Anonymous No.7097599]

>>7097558
Truth is the sketch is a bunch of symbols jumbled haphazardly. So you have it in your phone at least take it to the edit mode and flip the image back and forth.
>>7097595
Not hat anon but fundies are important either way.
Anons trying to give you a starting point because all you've done is drawn a stickman. You can keep drawing like your style for as long as you want you can go to DA where you see some artists draw the same exact way for 15 years and never improved while maintaining of following of a pitty party of 5. Don't think this is coming from a place of meanness I came to these threads 3 years ago and did the exact same thing.

[Anonymous No.7097603]

>>7097599
>Don't think this is coming from a place of meanness I came to these threads 3 years ago and did the exact same thing.

Could I see your art?

And I think you are kinda missing the part where I said I want more clear critiques rather than vague "Go back to drawing fundies" when I have been drawing shapes and shit for ages. Give me something more specific.

>All you've done is drawn a stickman
No offense, even though I am aware it's not great, reducing it to a stickman is kinda hyperbolic as fuck. You mean to say it looks stiff? That I would agree on.

[Anonymous No.7097611]

>>7097559
>style
Beginners all have one style - Sucking. You drew an ugly ass picture because you are a beginner and that is fine. Why coping with buzz words like "style" and "acquired taste"?

[Anonymous No.7097615]

>>7097611
You seem fixated on various words I used to basically explain why it looks a certain way. I tend to copy the style of references.

That being said, I actually don't have a style yet and I am not satisfied with my current skill level when it comes to drawing.

I just dislike wasting my time with overly vague critiques and coping about "it looks too low effort to critique" which I know is BS as I've had critiques from people on here for worse pictures I've drawn in the past.

[Anonymous No.7097618]

>>7097589
>>7097615
>reddit spacing
all you deserve is spit on your face
go back

[Anonymous No.7097623]

>>7097603
>reducing it to a stickman is kinda hyperbolic as fuck. You mean to say it looks stiff?
Well I'm saying it lacks form. There is no indication of shape it's just gesture like.

[Anonymous No.7097625]

>>7097623
Should have just said that to begin with, far easier to figure out as Stickman is again, the most extreme form of symbol.

(Case in point, her feet are clearly apart with the perspective, with the angle looking down on her so her left foot (her left) is closer to us, with her right foot further away).

Your art is very good btw. I hope I can achieve that level eventually, and maybe in a few months I might be able to.

As I said, I like to experiment with more flat/cartoony art styles as that's a style I like, hence why there was a lack of form.

I feel her hoodie top has enough form, but her legs of course look flat by design. I actually struggled to get them to look cartoony while still semi anatomical enough.

Btw, got a critique for you. That kneepad thing on her right leg looks a tad off perspective wise. It shouldn't look larger than her left leg's knee pad.

[Anonymous No.7097626]

My lil bro drew this today. Is he GMI anons?

[Anonymous No.7097628]

>>7097626
kino

[Anonymous No.7097630]

>>7097615
Ignore the resident demotivational poster. If you think you missed something copying a reference post it and someone might be able to help.

>>7097618
It'll be OK. Life might be tough now, but I know you'll get out of this slump and find something to live for other than attacking people on the internet.

[Anonymous No.7097642]

>>7097499
An easy braindead way is create a duplicate layer of the flat image above the rest of your layers, add Gaussian blur and make it darker and more saturated. Then clip that layer to your lineart. If you use CSP there are some auto-actions on the asset store that do this. Adjust as necessary.

[Anonymous No.7097650]

>>7097599
I tried copying the contours as accurately as I could, but yeah I flipped it and see what you're talking about it. I didn't construct the features cause I haven't done Loomis yet. The measurements were pretty off too, which doesn't help

[Anonymous No.7097658]

>>7097630
To be honest, it wasn't some direct copy.

I just copied the style and character details but drew a new pose/perspective for said character.

[Anonymous No.7097667]

>>7097558
Do value studies from color pics and check your work digitally by converting the ref to grayscale (look up how to do this correctly in whatever software you have).

[Anonymous No.7097669]

>>7097658
dear lord how terrifying

[Anonymous No.7097680]

>>7097669
Eyes are too far apart and squinty.

[Anonymous No.7097687]

>>7097658
I find your ref very unappealing, but whatever
proportions are the biggest thing to fix right now, try doing a direct copy first

[Anonymous No.7097688]

>>7097559
When studying from photos try drawing wireframes over the ref and your drawing to feel the form better. It’ll help make even flat styles look better if you can learn to think like that.

[Anonymous No.7097690]

>>7097687
I feel I did her eyes better.
I don't disagree with your assessment however that the original isn't that appealing.

[Anonymous No.7097719]

We're all schizophrenics. We are having fun, though.

[Anonymous No.7097725]

>>7097719
>We are having fun
Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.7097726]

>>7097719
some it seems also have multiple personalities disorder

[Anonymous No.7097731]

I coom, therefore I draw
I finally reached nirvana
so that was the secret

[Anonymous No.7097739]

>>7097731
no, anon, you have not only not achieved nirvana, you have in reality sunk to the bottommost depth of samsara

[Anonymous No.7097744]

[Anonymous No.7097760]

[Anonymous No.7097766]

>>7096583
This looks exactly like what Pawell draws, minues terrible attempts at shading and retarded heads.

[Anonymous No.7097769]

Doodles! I got some doodles heeya!

[Anonymous No.7097787]

>>7097760
style over substance

[Anonymous No.7097788]

>>7097760
2010 soul
>>7097787
reddit take

[Anonymous No.7097790]

>>7097788
you're jerking off actual redditcore art

[Anonymous No.7097803]

alright guys I fixed Hazbin Hotel

[Anonymous No.7097805]

[Anonymous No.7097818]

should i focus on studying just one subject (like perspective) until i get good at it or should i keep learning other subjects in parallel?

[Anonymous No.7097821]

>>7097818
learn it whatever way suits you best.
I would suggest not biting off too much that you can chew so to speak .
>>7097545
looks like it needs refinment, esp in definiton of the hair, and a little more attention to the hands.

>>7097480
not sure if this is male/female i would refine the nose more

[Anonymous No.7097822]

bweh

[Anonymous No.7097825]

>>7097818
if you've gonna do that for perspective just take erik olson's course

[Anonymous No.7097827]

>>7097818
Do one until you feel you got something from it that you can apply to your own work and then do the same for another and so on. Then start from the first one again and repeat. All skills build on each other so you’ll get more out of them that way.

[Anonymous No.7097829]

Sleep deprivation is one hell of a bitch. Shoulda done normal forms on the arms and legs but I wanted to try to make him skinny like the actual character.

>>7097803
Kino. Would watch.
>>7097818
What the other anon said. I'd personally stick with 2 subjects max at a time. I.E: Perspective + Construction. Up to you, though.

[Anonymous No.7097886]

after keys to drawing and drawing on the right side of the brain what should I study now? I wanna draw everything I see and from imagination (anime, sonic, etc.)

[Anonymous No.7097890]

>>7097886
do not stray from the path.

[Anonymous No.7097902]

>>7097890
noted.
but it says to read? I heard that the best way to get info from anatomy books are from copying them and then drawing them from memory and self critique if you did it right.

so now I'm confused I'm sure I'll figure it out

[Anonymous No.7097910]

>>7097902
yes, anon. They expect you to read it, without taking any action or implementing any of it's advice. Lol

[Anonymous No.7097933]

What is the exact space between the ribcage and the pelvis in the front of the figure? I'm pretty much just eyeballing it here.

[Anonymous No.7097934]

What is the exact space between the ribcage and the pelvis in front of the figure? I'm just eyeballing it here.

[Anonymous No.7097936]

>>7097787
what would make it more substantive then

>>7097788
>2010 soul
:)

[Marielx !Vidya4T.Xo No.7097940]

[Anonymous No.7097942]

>>7095919
Man, I'm super out of it today. None of my comparisons are working and this is my 3rd attempt. I'm just gonna sleep it off and try 4-C tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.7097944]

>>7097588
NTA, but do you have a roadmap you followed yourself to improve? I always love the stuff you post.

[Anonymous No.7097957]

>>7097936
the character is the central point and it sucks, it's all fluff

[Anonymous No.7097966]

>first time inking
I'm sorry Mr Han I will do my exercises from now on.

[Anonymous No.7097970]

Alright, that's it.

[Anonymous No.7097973]

Attempting new render technique. There's a slight different between the color on the left and the color on the right. Which do you prefer, and why?
I don't want to tell you what the difference is, because I want to know if it's noticeable without pointing it out. Please take a guess, and don't feel embarrassed if you guess wrong.

[Anonymous No.7097976]

>>7097973
delete soft brush for a month

[Anonymous No.7097982]

>>7097976
Hardness: 0%
Flow 30%
Opacity control: on
Flow control: on
Minimum diameter: 66%
Yeah... It's painting time.

[Anonymous No.7097983]

>>7097934
Supposed to be one fist but a lot of artists draw elongated bodies these days, mainly so they can draw bigger tits.

[Anonymous No.7098001]

I'm a doodlemaxxer who hardly ever copied anything in my life so I'm trying to work on my observational drawing. I'm doing it hardmode without the measurement marking for bigger GAINZ so it's a lot shittier than it could have been probably. I can see where I went wrong with the proportions and such but I'm not sure how to fix that and get more accurate besides just grinding it out more.
Guess I'll have to dive into Keys To Drawing or check out Krenz's exercises for copying shapes accurately.

[Anonymous No.7098013]

>>7098001
>I'm doing it hardmode without the measurement marking for bigger GAINZ
I know it's really counterintuitive but you're actually hampering your gainz quite a bit like that.

[Anonymous No.7098015]

[Anonymous No.7098016]

>>7098015

[Anonymous No.7098024]

>>7098001
accurate copy reminds me of pic related. The Krenz exercises are good. Just make sure to start easy and make sure that it is correct. If you didn't do it the first time well enough and the lines are blatantly out of place, just redo the exercise. strat with a circle or a rectangle. You may think that those are too easy and you'd probably be right. It's moreso about building your confidence in your ability to measure from the smallest point.

>>7098013
This anon gets it. if you can only bench 100lbs for 5, then trying to bench 150 for the same amount won't do you any good and just hurt your joints. Instead just do it with measuring and just wean yourself off of it. This video is pretty good too, not to mention just a good channel overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H7HDALf7dg&ab_channel=SIMPLIFYDrawingandPainting

[Anonymous No.7098027]

does this perspective make sense before I go any further?

[Anonymous No.7098029]

>>7097976
>Whoa! You can see all the brush strokes, it's so painterly, oh em gee!
Well anyway, can you see the difference in color between left and right? All the scratch may have made it more obvious.

[Anonymous No.7098030]

>>7098027
learn to draw boxes and cylinders first

[Anonymous No.7098031]

>>7098024
shall i call u mistah?

[Anonymous No.7098035]

>>7098015
I'm a little confused as to what exactly the interaction dynamic between these two is supposed to be. Is she pulling herself closer but the guy is also rearing her head towards himself. Or is he supposed to be patting her head?

Should they be pulling each other closer. I need to see more tension in both the arms and hands. For the patting/petting have the girl pull herself a bit more and make the dudes arm and hand a little more relaxed.

Also look at bird wings to look at where the big shapes are in relation to the smaller ones. Yours looks to samey making it look a bit boring.

[Anonymous No.7098036]

>>7098001
>>7098024
>Krenz
I heard a lot about his courses being very good but from what I got he only made a couple YT streams. Can you point me out to them or other resources of his? All I find is in korean.

[Anonymous No.7098039]

I have the need to create a beautiful stylized Christian scene.

[Anonymous No.7098045]

>>7097886
I still fail to see how those books are supposed to help you draw, I've looked through them and all they help with is giving my a migraine.

[Anonymous No.7098047]

How do I use art to heal from trauma and become confident? I got all kinds of feelings of inferiority, anxiety etc. At first I blamed the industrial revolution but nah man, theres something other wrong I just cant figure out.

[Anonymous No.7098053]

>>7098047
Your enemy is the eternal jew, he is responsible for all your problems. He destroyed family structure, morals and the differentiation from right or wrong.

Draw some jewish demons getting slaughtered.

[Anonymous No.7098057]

>>7098036
All I know is the stuff he streamed. I don't care too much about the courses. The exercise is just a proportion exercise that has you trace over the ref with simple shapes and noticeable relationshops and redraw the tracing freehand, then redraw it without the tracing overtop the ref.

https://youtu.be/kbKqIJcIUCw?si=IogKoY-l0sRp0lRy&t=1502

This time stamp is where he goes over some points. subtitles in english. Pair it with dorian Iten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaYhkY_gsc&t=26s&ab_channel=DorianIten

Not sure if you can pirate the accuracy guide or not, but it'll pair well with the krenz exercise. This way you can cross reference what dorian is talking about with the lines krenz puts down for the exercise.

[Anonymous No.7098060]

Hello fellow begbros
I'll do keys of drawing exercise after i shower
For now here's new monster i made
His name is crabber
I'm not sure what is he supposted to do

[Anonymous No.7098066]

>>7097388
My main point was that the idiot brought up a point of using plumb lines to get the drawing more accurate to the ref, but didn't do it right. He drew the whole shoulder and the torso completely wrong, even missing subtle tilts in the crotch and chest as well. That anon always gives out advice and techniques but fails to properly imlement or demonstrate them correctly, spreading misinformation.

[Anonymous No.7098067]

do the proportions look okay?

[Anonymous No.7098076]

>>7098067
Feet are fucked. The left leg is way too far down, the knees should still be horizontally aligned if they are not bending their leg behind. Stiff pose, but the proportions are all right.

I wouldn't mind too much about measuring proportions; after a while of doing timed 30s to 1m gesture drawing, you should develop an eye to get it instinctively right

[Anonymous No.7098083]

So what are things should I keep in mind when doing figure drawings? I don't want to just mindlessly copy, but besides overlaying your reference to your copy, what else should I keep mindful of?

Also what are the benefits of doing short timed figure drawings? I've tried that but it's a bit overwhelming to me

[Anonymous No.7098084]

>>7098067
Also, your character is bending to it's right, yet it left leg doesn't lift up, but rather goes down.

Do the pose yourself in a mirror and you will see that the knees will still horizontally align. The only time the kneews do not align is when the pose is pushing the leg far back and up, or the leg bends dramatically.

[Anonymous No.7098090]

>>7098076
>>7098084
it's supposed to be this

[Anonymous No.7098095]

>>7098083
1. identify the direction of the shoulders and pelvis

2. identify landmarks such as the clavicles, potruding bones of the pelvis, etc

3. Always keep the direction of the forms in mind

your drawing is good, you seem to understand the basics already, but you need more practice in observation, for instance you drew her left leg shorter than the right one, it almost looks like the left foot is behind the right one in space.


Short figure drawings/gesture teaches you observation and makes you ignore details, thereby forcing you to understand and draw the most basic and most important things about a pose

[Anonymous No.7098098]

>>7098090
Don't listen to me I'm retarded, didn't see that she was leaning on a sword feet are still a little too big tho

[Anonymous No.7098101]

>>7097934
It's half the distance from the end of the ribcage to the pubic bone, but this can change depending on the character, if you draw a semen demon you will want the pelvis larger to emphasize fertility and femininity, so the proportions may change.

>>7097944
I remember that the first course I watched was Vilppu's
But what I really noticed gains was when I started making copies of artists I like, especially character sheets with different angles and views
Look for an artist you like who has a lot of drawings of characters from different angles and make copies and anatomical annotations of their work

>>7098083
proportions and analyze with you should transform anatomical shapes into lines

[Anonymous No.7098103]

>>7098101
All your characters look the same show me some small breasted drawings

[Anonymous No.7098106]

>>7098101
That torso is the length of a fucking stretch limo

[Anonymous No.7098108]

>>7098067
You're making things to bumpy and missing the forest for the trees. Don't be afraid to use some simpler lines if you don't know what you're looking at in the ref.

[Anonymous No.7098110]

>>7098103
This drawing is very old and I don't like drawing small breasts but here it is
>>7098106
If you draw huge breasts you need to lengthen the torso otherwise it will look strange and the nipples will be at the height of the pelvis

[Anonymous No.7098112]

>>7098098
what about now
>>7098108
I tried to make the knees aligned with the hips and the lower legs the same lengths

[Anonymous No.7098121]

>>7098101
>It's half the distance from the end of the ribcage to the pubic bone
Ah, thanks how'd you learn these generic proportions? what resources? I really struggle with the proportions of the legs too and arms. Also nice drawing

[Anonymous No.7098125]

>>7098110
Smaller. I'm a lolicon.

[Anonymous No.7098128]

>>7098112
Good anon! Also don't listen to us, we are retarded begs too. I just like critiquing other begs to learn for myself.

Here are my most recent 1 minute gesture drawings, as you can see I'm really bad.

[Anonymous No.7098130]

>>7098101
>Look for an artist you like who has a lot of drawings of characters from different angles and make copies and anatomical annotations of their work
So you pretty much just copy their work while making notes how they do anatomy and stuff?

[Anonymous No.7098134]

>>7098095
how do I learn these anatomy landmarks? any videos and/or guides about them? Also thanks, it took me way too long to do this study, and it still looks off

[Anonymous No.7098135]

>>7098121
will weston explains this part of proportions well
he has a very good video course on this, probably someone knows where to find it in the video course thread
>>7098130
pretty much, also also use a good anatomy book like stonehouse anatomy notes

[Anonymous No.7098136]

>>7098101
I'm the guy who wants to draw boobs, do you have anything slightly smaller or around the same size as my glasses girl?

[Anonymous No.7098139]

>>7098101
>Look for an artist you like who has a lot of drawings of characters from different angles and make copies and anatomical annotations of their work
Had the same idea some time ago. Studying anime girl anatomy and proportions from time to time might make the process more fun.Thats said I'd like to start from neutral full frontal poses. Too bad it's surprisingly hard to find them. Most pinups are too clothed and porn artists employ more extreme angles. Tried asking the lewd splits where to find what I'm looking for but nada.
Any advice?

[Anonymous No.7098140]

>>7098101
Can copies of of artists works help you better understand anatomy even if they are exaggerated?

[Anonymous No.7098141]

>>7098112
looks better but i would fix her eyes
try using curves to form the ribcage before you place the boobs.
its looking betetr in this one
i gave it a try myself

[Anonymous No.7098145]

I literally checked /ic/ like 200+ times today, to see if i got (you)'s. What a sad, pathetic existence I lead

[Anonymous No.7098148]

>>7098145
here you go anon

[Anonymous No.7098150]

>>7098145
Bruh, just enable auto update, and then all you have to do is glance at the tab to see if you got a reply or not.

I'm waiting for a reply to, because nobody is answering my goddamn question. >>7098029 >>7097973

[Anonymous No.7098152]

>>7098145
Aww. Here one for (You).

[Anonymous No.7098153]

>>7098139
See Trylsc's work(picrel), he used to post a lot of nude character sheets on his pixiv
Another option is to use a well-built 3D model and rotate it in the software
>>7098140
I would say it depends on the artist's style and how good he is, but assuming an artist with good knowledge of anatomy and not very stylized art and it's easier to learn anatomy from him because you'll be looking at lines so the anatomy is already simplified for you, as opposed to a real photo where there are no lines for you to copy so it's much more hard

[Anonymous No.7098154]

>>7098136

[Anonymous No.7098155]

>>7098145
I am a same pathetic loser. How about a deal, you reply my art and I reply to yours. I dont care if its compliment or hatred just anything.
>>7097183
>>7097098

[Anonymous No.7098166]

>>7098153
What about david finch?
I mean he does make kinda realistic anatomy
Though some might question him for shilling drawing the marvel way book
When i'm not grinding fundies i pick up one piece manga i have, dragon ball or finch and draw

[Anonymous No.7098172]

>>7098150
nobody replied because there is not much difference. I prefer right because the contrast is bigger.

[Anonymous No.7098174]

>>7098166
I think it's a good choice, but study it with an anatomy book to understand what artistic choices he made to simplify a certain anatomical shape in lines.

[Anonymous No.7098176]

Sometimes I wonder where the line between exaggerated anatomy caused by a severe porn addiction and actual mistakes is

[Anonymous No.7098177]

>>7098172
Yeah, the difference is pretty small. Maybe it's a poor example.
They both have the same contrast. Though there might be a slight difference in perception, if your eye is detecting the color change.

[Anonymous No.7098178]

>>7098174
Agreed. I am gonna pick up tomfox and bridgeman after i finish keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.7098179]

[Anonymous No.7098185]

I guess this is as good place as any to post my scribbles

[Anonymous No.7098192]

>>7098177
I can definitely see the color difference. Yeah, I checked its indeed the same values. Maybe im overthinking at this point but I think the right looks more 3D.

[Anonymous No.7098194]

damn if you guys are beginners i got a long way to go

[Anonymous No.7098226]

>>7098194
This was me a year ago, just keep grinding brother, you got this.

[Anonymous No.7098229]

[Anonymous No.7098230]

>>7098226
thanks, honestly you reminded me I should practice gesture more often. I feel like its one of the main reasons why I can't draw from imagination too well

[Anonymous No.7098236]

>>7098230
Drawing from imagination is for advanced artists or pros; don't worry about that; always use reference. When you want to try to draw something original, just change the reference pose up a little bit. But yes, gesture drawing is important, but the meme about fluidity and the rules behind it are retarded. All that counts is that you can draw the main aspects of what makes a pose a pose, like the orientation of the shoulders and pelvis and the proportions.


There are no rules to gesture or drawing; if you feel something isn't working, just try something else out. There is a reason why there are so many different tutorials on YouTube about this, because every advanced artist has created their own way of doing gesture or figure drawing, and they want to teach you their method because they think it's the best because it worked for them.

[Anonymous No.7098247]

>>7098194
the thread is called /int/ and /beg/ for Intermediate and Beginner artists to post in.

You are not seeing solely beginner works in here.

[Anonymous No.7098256]

>>7098141
I reworked it a bit

[Anonymous No.7098258]

>>7097642
Wow this actually worked really well, I like this effect
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.7098265]

>>7098029
Might as well continue for practice.

[Anonymous No.7098266]

>>7098256
are you the schizo anon or Im mistaking you for someone

[Anonymous No.7098267]

Sup beg, the grind shall continue!

>>7097886
any perspective book to cover KtD gaps. Easiest and fastest one is Perspective made Easy. If you want challenge, then Framed Perspective volume 1+2
>>7097822
nice thots
>>7097805
i kneel
>>7097558
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/60
>>7097538
it is all about leveling up eye and using observation techniques
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/70
>>7097480
very nice
>>7097479
when drawing drapery use reference. literally yandex jeans and tshirt and steal all the folds. like this this all super flat
>>7097322
i kneel
>>7097217
sounds like you dont like drawing. anon what are you doing with your existence?
>>7097211
maxed out SOUL
>>7097117
your pic related is multiple strokes using tapered brush
>>7096713
>>7096488
less thinking, more drawing lmao
>>7096662
the pose is little awkward, but i will allow it
>>7096501
bruh that tail looks like his pair of balls hanging. its super repulsive. probably draw tails in more... tail like positions
>>7098229
cute thot

[Anonymous No.7098268]

>>7098266
who

[Anonymous No.7098279]

>>7098236
Ill try not to worry so much about it, right now i'm having fun just trying to recreate images from the anime i'm watching. I filled out this page today

[Anonymous No.7098280]

>>7098265
I would try to lessen up on the airbrush/soft rounds. Portraiture is about balancing the hard and soft edges to make an appealing image.

[Anonymous No.7098295]

>>7098280
I started with soft brush, but the other anon complained, so I changed to a brush that is sort of inbetween hard and soft.(80% hardness, 30% flow) To me, the second and third images look streaky. I suppose I missed some spots. Another pass to handle finer detail would take care of some of the blurriness.

[Anonymous No.7098296]

>>7098267
hahaha it's like your art took a 1000% leap in improvement overnight. I dont' know why your Vilppu copies came out so shit, but this here looks great. Keep up whatever you're doing

[Anonymous No.7098319]

added some skin tones

[Anonymous No.7098320]

>>7098295
Ah im sorry you're receiving mixed advice. That can be frustrating, but it's usually indicative that something is off.

>>7098296
Pawell has always been good at painting he just sucks at vilppu blobs.

[Anonymous No.7098325]

>>7098267
not taking advice from you sorry

[Anonymous No.7098326]

>>7098320
I wouldn't call it "mixed advice". You both essentially said the same thing. I'm just wondering if I didn't do enough to rectify the issue. like I said, I suppose I missed some spots, and I guess I could do another pass to do finer detail. But I wonder if that would really solve the problem.

[Anonymous No.7098335]

>>7097973
You added SSS and it’s noticeable and looks better.

[Anonymous No.7098338]

>>7098319
stop using clip studio posing tools theyre beg traps.

[Anonymous No.7098358]

>>7098319
>>7098256
the proportions are ok as far as the ref picture goes, but she feels extremely 2d. You have the right idea in using cylinders and boxes to help guide the construction here >>7098027 but if you're not really going to use the perspective grid for anything it's kind of pointless.
You were the anon asking on how to make your drawings more anime? I would just suggest you to watch some of hide channel's videos, he uses a pretty simple construction and it might help you out. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.7098361]

>>7098358
2B with no ass is absolutely criminal

[Anonymous No.7098371]

>>7098265
you need to make some of your edges even harder to make the shapes of shadow or light more readable. Don't be afraid to be a bit more rough with your brushes, it adds texture.
Also his right eye (our left) is a bit too out to the side

[Anonymous No.7098376]

>>7098265

I was thinking it's me who soulless maxing

[Anonymous No.7098377]

redrew something old again. i want to say i'm improving, but i'm not entirely sure. i know i need to go over anatomy again while i study color, lighting, etc. this month + the next

[Anonymous No.7098378]

>>7098377
speaking of color study, here are some of my marco notes. his 10 minute series was pretty helpful; i'll poke through more of his videos tomorrow

[Anonymous No.7098381]

>>7098377
not really improvement. I like rounder face and hair of old more. fat lines doesn't help too.

[Anonymous No.7098385]

>>7098335
lol, that's one way of thinking of it. But it's not really SSS. Rather, it's a layer set up that takes colors to black while holding onto saturation and hue shifting "down". And on the inverse, another layer set up that takes colors to white, while holding on to saturation and hue shifting "up".
The results appear similar to SSS, so I can see why you said that.

I don't think the face does a good job at conveying what's happening exactly. Here, I made a new simplified example. And I made a post showing how to set up the layers here: >>>/gd/453550

The point in all this is really simple: shading with basic black or basic white normally looks ugly. But with this layer set up, you can take colors to black or white with a pleasant saturation and hue shift.

In fact, in my updated image: >>7098265 I actually deleted the midtone color, and relied on the shader to boost the shadows up to midtones. Probably not not good to put so much faith into the shader, but I was experimenting here, and wanted to see how far I could push it. Really, the best use case, is when you need true black/true white, and want it to actually blend into black/white in a pleasing way. If you try to do more with it than that, then you'll probably regret how bloated your layers become trying to manage it. So I only suggest using this to get deep black crevices and stark white highlights.

>>7098371
>Also his right eye (our left) is a bit too out to the side
Good catch. I noticed it was off but didn't know how to fix it, so I just did what I could and moved on.

>>7098376
Ylanast is my senpai. I'm trying to be like her, except with the ability to conjure faces from imagination, rather than copy them. So yeah, kind of soulless, but fuck it. Going all in.

[Anonymous No.7098386]

>>7098267
Yes my king! Reject gesture drawing, return to construction/painting/literally anything else.

[Anonymous No.7098388]

>>7098296
>Look GOOD
AH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! :))))))))))))))))
>>7098386
>My KING
>He idolizes a permabeg
AH HAAAAAAAAAAH :))))))))))))))))

[Anonymous No.7098400]

>>7098381
yeah i definitely have a long way to go
but i hope to be drawing cute twinks/traps/etc. by year's end...i at least want to post witches for october or something

[Anonymous No.7098413]

>>7098154
thanks so much man

[Anonymous No.7098421]

is it ok to use the line tool in drawing programs to figure out where to draw things in good proportions, and then draw over them (i.e figuring out how to align the eyes) or is it best to not? very, very new beginner for the record.

[Anonymous No.7098427]

[Anonymous No.7098428]

>>7098427

[Anonymous No.7098430]

>>7098428
just some sketches

[Anonymous No.7098450]

>>7098267
>your pic related is multiple strokes using tapered brush
...your point being?
I made a typo, i was supposed to say "crutch" not "crush"

[Anonymous No.7098456]

kino...

[Anonymous No.7098460]

I need to figure out how to stop losing interest when I finish the sketch and actually commit to proper line art and painting.

[Anonymous No.7098462]

how many muscles in the human body can you name?

[Anonymous No.7098464]

>>7098462
pectoral
deltoid
sternocleidomastoid
uhhh jackie chan

[Anonymous No.7098465]

>>7098462
Like 3
Bicep
Tricep
Gluteus Maximus.
Let me guess, you need more?

[Anonymous No.7098468]

>>7098462
You are an arist, not a surgeon. You don't need to remember the names of muscles. You only need to learn how to draw groups of muscles and how they contract, compress, and connect.

[Anonymous No.7098469]

>>7098468
it helps knowing how their named though
do you give them your own names in your head?

[Anonymous No.7098473]

>>7098469
I only know bodybuilding words for them. glutes, tri, etc.

[Anonymous No.7098475]

>>7098469
nta, but I remember them by their placement and shape. Their names are only useful for when I want to look them up. But when do I ever want to look up a single muscle? Typically I look up something like "shoulder anatomy" to get the shoulder muscle groups. And then use my eyes to check for the muscle I need.

[Anonymous No.7098494]

>>7098400

[Anonymous No.7098497]

>>7098267
I finally understand why you are still permabeg, despite drawing for 2 years. You just half-ass everything. Look at your painting. It could look amazing had you taken your time and spent 20-30 hours working on it. Instead you just make careless quick work and it looks kinda okay-ish and you are satisfied. It runs through every your figure. You are rushing through dozens art books, hoping you'll get better through sheer milage, but it doesn't work like this. If all you do is quick and sloppy, that's all you'll learn to draw.

[Anonymous No.7098504]

>>7098494
i can’t read that cursive man

[Anonymous No.7098506]

>>7098473
A lot of muscles don't have a gym name for them for example teres major and coracobrachialis which are essential to drawing armpits
Can you pyw?

[Anonymous No.7098508]

>>7098497
>It could look amazing had you taken your time and spent 20-30 hours working on it
>20-30 hours
Dude, nobody will spend that much time on a drawing.

[Anonymous No.7098512]

>>7098494
oh wait nevermind i got it. yeah the initial canvas size was very large, i just took a small screenshot because i didn’t feel like resizing

[Anonymous No.7098514]

>>7098508
nta but you will be surprised

[Anonymous No.7098517]

>>7098514
>>7098508
If you're spending this much time on a single drawing you're doing something wrong

[Anonymous No.7098519]

>>7098506
>PYW
>>7096612
>>7097248
>>7097411
>>7097423
YDYM?
Your turn.

[Anonymous No.7098527]

How it looks anons?

[Anonymous No.7098536]

i’m at the point where i’m confident enough in my gestures and basic figures that i should sketch everyday, learn to animate, branch out to other exercises… but i don’t wanna :(

[Anonymous No.7098541]

>>7096478
I need to practice drawing weapons

[Anonymous No.7098542]

>>7098508
>>7098517
It's a painting, not a drawing, you doofus. People may spend literal days and weeks on paintings. 20 hours is on the lower end. Especially for a beg, who is not just painting, but figures out stuff as he goes. If you are not doing longer works, you are NGMI hard.

[Anonymous No.7098561]

I'm really struggling with drawing poses from imagination especially if i try to construct them with boxes like the ones on the left as opposed to the ones on the right where i relied more on gesture and then added some structure afterwards.
I also struggle with hands and feet in general

>>7098527
looks cute anon, but what's with that white line above her eye?

[Anonymous No.7098563]

>>7098519
Very funny you're not him

[Anonymous No.7098571]

>>7098527
Eyes are kinda lifeless

[Anonymous No.7098576]

>>7098421
if you were drawing on paper and you wanted to draw a perfectly straight line you'd use a ruler
same shit

[Anonymous No.7098578]

>>7098421
I promise the Art Police is not gonna arrest you for that

[Anonymous No.7098580]

what was that software/plugin for making lineart some anon mentioned it here a few days ago

[Anonymous No.7098582]

>>7097588
I love boobs

[Anonymous No.7098584]

>>7098563
It's very funny because I am indeed myself. You don't need to PYW. I don't want to see them anymore. All I wanted to say is that you don't need to learn every muscles' names like a nerd in order to draw them. It's just that simple.
I made these posts, and I think they are very polite. I don't know why you get so mad.
>>7098468
>>7098473
>>7098519

[Anonymous No.7098591]

>>7098584
>You don't need to PYW
i arleady did in my first post? are you dense?
>I don't know why you get so mad.
Where did I get mad?

[Anonymous No.7098593]

>>7098267
will china save pawell

[Anonymous No.7098596]

>>7098591
:)

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[Anonymous No.7098683]

new >>7098681>>7098681
>>7098681

[Anonymous No.7098704]

>>7098279
soul