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I have more difficulty learning through construction, I hate using rulers as well, and I have more fun drawing without it, is there a way/ method to learn in a more intuitive way?

>> No.7013972

>>7013965
unless you're doing technical drawing then you shouldn't use rulers at all

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>mfw people dont have the ability to break down complex shapes into simpler ones

>> No.7013975

>>7013965
why are you using rulers in the first place?

>> No.7013978

>>7013965
just dont do it then, retard

>> No.7013979

>>7013974
I draw the 'complex' shapes as they are. Get real.

>> No.7013980

>>7013975
They make clean straight lines.

>> No.7013995

>>7013980
use a worn down ruler

>> No.7013997

>>7013975
op is an undisciplined dopamine addict who only enjoys fapping and playing bad video games that flash lights in front of him every other second

>> No.7014025

>>7013965
sorry bro, construction is the easiest aspect of art. It only gets harder and harder from here.

>> No.7014034

>>7013965
simply teh contstruction to the point where you can freehand it. Then when you draw that new version more and more, it will naturally become straighter. Dont worry about not making it straight.

Nobody actually uses rulers and ten minutes to construct a loomis head, its all just theater. You need to freehand a quick sketch and then draw over it with no effort, even if its bad. You get better by repetition.

>> No.7014039

>>7013995
Tut then the little metal strip is all rattly and weird and fucks with my pens and pencils.

>> No.7014226

>>7013965
OP got filtered by simple cubes and spheres

>> No.7014247

>>7013965
construction is the intuitive way, sure at the beginning it feels like nerd shit like plotting vanishing points but the goal is ultimately to internalize all that information and before long you can freehand and eyeball everything intuitively

>> No.7014277

Don‘t use it then

>> No.7015254

>>7014034
Somehow needed confirmation on that matter, I decided to use the drawabox tutorial without paying for the critique to do all the excersices continuously but carefully following the instructions.

>> No.7016113

You don't have to use construction for every single aspect of the drawing. I use it when I'm trying to figure out how something is placed in 3D space or there's a lot of parts to something and I need to break it down.

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>>7013965
Yeah you don't need construction. Just throw a bunch of charcoal powder on paper and call it a day

>> No.7016823

>>7013965
>needs ruler for biological shapes
Op stop being a retard

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If you think it's better not to use construction and you're so confident that you "learn better without it", then why do you need /ic/'s help?

>> No.7016847

>>7013965
Yes, sculpture.

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>> No.7017980

>>7016842
why did you post this picture? Her head is way too long, that's bad construction. Why did that artist get away with this poor forshortening work too? Why are you saying construction is important when you are LITERALLY posting something with shit/no construction?

>> No.7017988

>>7017743
none of these rules matter. All you have to do is copy photos. Nobody fucking draws cylinders twisting and turning. You learn by copying photos and 3d models.

>> No.7018033

>>7017988
Fuck off crab, this ain't asg

>> No.7018065

>>7018033
ashag

>> No.7018070

>>7013980
first thing i had to learn while drawing "professionally" was to learn making straight lines by hand

>> No.7018094

>>7013965
it took me like a year of drawabox (yes it's a stupid meme) and FWAP (fucking wet ass pussy) before i even got close to understanding construction. some are just not cut out for it.

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>> No.7018100

>>7013965
You kind of need to learn the basics of construction, even if you won't use it. For instance, if you don't know the thirds of the head, most of your head drawings will come out wonky.

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>> No.7018171

>>7017988
bitch ass nigga

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>> No.7018278

>>7018109
Is this the same anon that drew the girl shitting on a toilet?

>> No.7018983

this is what happens when you let STEMcels do art

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>>7013965
Look, if you have drawn for a while without construction it may look weird at first because you are not used to it. But, if you are doing it right you should be seeing improvement soon

>> No.7019040

Construction is autism soothing...

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This is a threat
Explain to me how construction is meaningfully different from symbol drawing

>> No.7019088

>>7013965
>more intuitive
you could try impressionistic. You'll still have metered and mathematical rules you'll want to follow if you want to make anything that looks good, but abandoning symmetry and expectation is something you could explore.

>> No.7019091

>>7019078
it's not
the human body is made up of symbols
breaking a complex piece down into more digestible pieces is fundamental to accomplishing any task

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>>7019078
Contruction is building form. Begs can't into 3d shapes, they draw flat symbols of what they think the object they're drawing represents. Pic related.
You're also supposed to build on top of construction, there's no building on top of pic related.

>> No.7019512

>>7018983
i remember a few years ago there was a hashtag about people in STEM who do art and they pretty much mogged everyone in beg. suicide watch was active

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>> No.7019662

Thanks for the guides construction bros.

>> No.7019767

>>7013965
You hate construction yet you live in a house?

>> No.7020971

>>7018094
bro you're too young to be on ic, get out of here before your brain gets warped and you can no longer fit into society

>> No.7020993

>>7017741
left is more fun

>> No.7020996

1. Learn the rules.
2. Master the rules.
3. Break the rules.

It is the process of every artist.

>> No.7021700

>>7018276
where is this from?

>> No.7021709

>thread turned into a construction ref thread
holy based

>> No.7021720

>>7021709
as it should be, this keeps the crabs and shitters away

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>>7022031
the fuck is that

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Constructing is just like (is just like)
is just like (is just like)
is just like (is just like)
a mini mall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3oHpup-pk

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>> No.7022051

god some hair stuff, anon? having trouble with that currently

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roomis

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Chinese Bridgman. Bridoman.

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>>7022052
>I keep messing up at this part
Literally how does this work genuinely? How do you measure this?

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>>7022089
it's like 2/3rds the total diameter of the side, or just eyeball it

>> No.7022156

>>7022109
inability or refusal to eyeball is often the problem people in threads like this actually have

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>>7022251
Question.
Why don't we just skip right to the simplified anatomy when doing construction?
I thought the whole point was to start simply and then get more detailed as you go along, but this kinda implies it's the other way around

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by nigga snow nee 9

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>> No.7022526

>>7022318
You don't draw fully detailed muscles and bones as a base outside of studies. The first two "steps" are just there so you can see the underlying structure and understand WHY exactly you're simplifying the hips in that shape.

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>>7021700

>> No.7022927

>>7022763
THANKS

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>>7022721
Some of that looks like CP, and therefore dangerous to save onto one's hard-drive.

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>>7022927
and have fun

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>> No.7023227

>>7018070
Sounds like a pretty shoddy professional if you're freehanding when you need a straight line.

>> No.7023265

boxes scare me....

>> No.7023293

>>7013965
I learned basically by copying drawings I liked, drawing things in front of me, and trying to memorize how to draw faces, figures, buildings, plants, etc. I mean, construction was definitely part of that, but I was never grinding 100 cylinders or anything like that. I would really only do basic forms and lines when I was doodling, so all the construction practice was kind of accidental and habitual. But I’ve taken a lot of classes that use construction and a lot that don’t, and it’s been really helpful to learn both approaches!

If you don’t want to construct forms, you could try this instead: take a reference photo of just one object (a person, a block, or whatever). Divide the object into only two colors, light and dark. The line between light and dark runs along the terminator of the shadow, always. If there’s reflected light in the shadow, ignore it. If there are highlights, ignore them. Do not cheat by using a threshold in photoshop: it will be wrong. You want to draw the shapes of light and dark using ONLY straight lines, no curves. Don’t think about forms, think about shapes. Try to use as few lines as possible, so you end up with a drawing made up of simple light and dark polygons. Measure the proportions, measure the angles, keep noticing and fixing mistakes. Fill in all the dark areas with a solid dark gray. This is a really fast way to get 70% of a nice realistic drawing finished, and if you get good at it you’ll be really impressed how quickly you improve. Later, when you come back to construction it’ll be easier, because you’ll be so much better at controlling your hand. Good luck!

>> No.7023511

>>7023293
not op but got an examploe of that?

>> No.7023529

>>7013997
I'm that too but I don't use a ruler

>> No.7023531

>>7023529
They're not that hard to use, it won't take you long to learn.

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i appreciate the anon spamming the construction images but it's like a peer into a schizophrenic's deranged scribblings, the knowledge imparted is so esoteric it's imperceptible to the outside observer and only makes sense for the creator

>> No.7023606

construction works if you can already draw forms and want to draw new poses and objects. When learning from scratch, its better to learn the human body in terms of its muscles.

>> No.7023611

here's why construction works
>artist that doesn't use it trying to invent boxes out of thin air from a picture he drew
you see he has the construction IN HIS MIND trust me

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>> No.7024258

>>7024229
>everything can be simplified into its most basic forms!
>like the head is a sphere see
>the arms they can be cylinders
>the torso of course is an irregular tetrahedron prism with varying topology!
>the pelvis is a tapered cylinder :)
>and the legs are also cylinders! how fun is that!

>> No.7024267

>>7024258
don't worry
i won't hurt you
i only want you
to have some
fuuuunn.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWC4X_rTRsA

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move over baby gimme the keys I'm gonna try to tame your little red love machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUZyb7YeEYA

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>>7022051

>> No.7024303

voynich manuscript artist edition

>> No.7024350

gibe something about drawings hats and hats on heads

>> No.7024560

>>7017988
Just use Aislop if you don't have the IQ to actually understand anything.

>> No.7024563

>>7024298
>self insert and talking to yourself with these explainer tutorials
I can't think of anything more obnoxious when making tutorials like this.

>> No.7024691

>>7018117
left has more sovl

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anyone know of a planner/scheduler so I can add some structure to my studies haha?...

>> No.7025024

>>7022035
Thanks for posting. This seems really helpful for people like me who are wanting to take the step from just doing flat colours.

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>>7025024

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>> No.7025156

>>7024299
More hair guides please

>> No.7025288

>>7019512
Please don't remind me of it
>Guise I am a 17 year old PHD in applied mathematics working for Raytheon and here is my art
>Posts some very high tier stuff
>Posts a selfie and they are also handsome/pretty
>#STEMartists
Some people get all the blessings from God....

>> No.7025294

>>7025288
archive link?

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>>7023511
Oh I’m glad the thread is still active! Here's one example (no shadow filled in yet)

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>>7023511
>>7025610
Another example, with shadows filled in

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>>7023511
>>7025612
These are from GCA. The way they render is nuts: they just ... do the rendering in one layer

>> No.7025722

>>7022286
Very stupid question incoming: How would you go about painting something like this?
I see there's little to no blending or lost edges and everything is blocky and cel-like. Regular rendering is substituted by areas of colors that complement each other well.
Now, does this approach rely on the linework or does one just paint over it for the most part?

>> No.7025751

>>7022035
sauce?

>> No.7025789

>>7013965
>is there a way/ method to learn in a more intuitive way?
construction is just a tool, people use it because it helps them, not because it's what you're supposed to do. if you can draw without construction, then go for it.

>> No.7025793

>>7018117
>ball of foot
that's the heel... sasuga

>> No.7025816

>>7013965
Yeah you can take the classic approach and just measure really carefully. Drawing is observing. You don't need to use construction guides to learn and improve, but they help. I propose drawing a lot from life. If you want a simple construction style that supports this, look into Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching.

>>7013972
Are you seriously gatekeeping fucking rulers?

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>> No.7025898

>>7025816
>Are you seriously gatekeeping fucking rulers?
which is it

>> No.7025899

>>7025751
some nigga
he makes scat porn

>> No.7025927

>>7025899
SCAT PORN???

>> No.7025948

>>7025927
real sick shit

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>>7025927
really sick shit

>> No.7027197

more guides plz

>> No.7027244

>>7027197
REALLY SICK SHIT

>> No.7027256

>>7013965
Why are you using rulers OP?

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>> No.7027263

>>7027260
Nobody's ever asked for this guide

>> No.7028480

>>7027260
Elephant trunk guide, thanks

>> No.7029108

>>7025819
>>7025821
>>7025828
based tealgod

>> No.7029366

>>7023227
thats because straight lines from a ruler belong in blueprints not in concepts and sketches

>> No.7029368

>>7013965
CImo construction shouldn't go beyond the task of giving you sketchs for poses, Perhaps you can go deeper into the autism if you wanna do complexe robot or something but you shouldn't have to use shit like a roller to draw a head unless you want to go full realism

>> No.7029594

>>7027260
>>7028480
kek

>> No.7029940

>>7016143
he just does the same 2-3 drawings over and over

>> No.7029976

>>7029366
>concepts and sketches
They belong in all sorts of drawings, but not the ones an eternal sketcher is slopping out, that's true.

>> No.7030135

>>7029366
>>7029976
>none of them knows what they are talking

>> No.7030214

>>7030135
BEHIND BLUE EYES

>> No.7030282

>>7022256
I don't see the boxes here. Cool drawings anyway.

>> No.7030445

>>7027261
The color picker here it's the V-HSV in SAI

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>>7027261
>Light is never darker than shadow
>Shadow is never lighter than light
>But they can come close
shit goes so hard

>> No.7030453

>>7030282
>i don't see vaginas and penises from people walking in a city, therefore they must not have one

>> No.7031503

>>7030453
kek

>> No.7031505

>>7030282
Look at the shadow. It's falling on the dogs looney tunes style

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>>7030135
Look at a random page of manga and report back to me on the number of ruled lines you see (spoiler: it's hundreds).

>> No.7031572

>>7031531
>that stock sky
Manga was better in the 90s

>> No.7032420

>>7014025
>construction is the easiest aspect
it's actually joever

>> No.7032422

>>7018094
>yes it's a stupid meme
hey at least it taught me how to draw a box
and nothing else
how do i draw anime tiddies and HOW DO I DO LESSON TWO

>> No.7032489

>>7019563
What is this from?

>> No.7034100

>>7013965
learn construction to the point you have it in your DNA, and then stop using, because you wont need it.

>> No.7034470

>>7025899
>some nigga
that's his real name? and he does scat? nah, I don't rock with that crap but thanks dude.

>> No.7034491

>>7022291
hot

>> No.7035148

>>7013965
Yes. It's called drawing without construction. It renders kim, vilppu, loomis, bridgeman, jap-loomis, etc all unnecessary. There is only one step:
>1. Fucking draw and don't stop drawing or put it off till next time

>> No.7035279

>>7020971
i am 32. imho if i were to start from zero again (so, go back to 31) and wanted to learn construction i would force myself to draw the boxes again, but add in all the geometric shapes and force myself to learn object addition and subtraction in perspective. because then at least you've trained yourself to think of the perspective window you want to draw in and where to put the ground plane and how to construct from that. then once that concept of "how to draw a cylinder and add boxes and pyramids" is stuck in my head, start FWAP or something similar to learn how someone applies it to facial/figure construction. and not do whatever drawabox had prescribed which was something goofy like wasting weeks trying to draw leaves and petals.

>> No.7035300

>>7022251
this is incorrect

>> No.7035546

you gotta pick and choose
truth is sometimes construction is distracting and your final piece suck
other times it improves it
you have to try little things out and combine it into something great
that's kind of art in general

>> No.7035548

Bob Ross said it best planes = depth.
Keep it in mind *sips coffee*

>> No.7035606

>>7019767
How do you know OP lives in a house and not an apartment, RV, or storage closest?

>> No.7035905

>>7013965
Eventually you learn to just visualize the construction lines, unless you're cursed with aphantasia. I found, in my experience, that it's best to treat them as a learning tool rather than a requirement for good art.

Also, you just don't have to do it, there are other ways to memorize proportions where stuff goes.

>>7017743
Foreshortening; my addiction. How I refuse to draw without you.