it's been a while, have you accepted /AI/ yet? has your opinion changed in any way, and what's your current stance on it? previous threads >>6965971 >>6958183

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None !!ducTpJGSm6d Tue Dec 19 22:31:01 2023 No.6984652 [Reply] [Original]

it's been a while, have you accepted /AI/ yet?
has your opinion changed in any way, and what's your current stance on it?

previous threads
>>6965971
>>6958183

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Tue Dec 19 22:33:40 2023 No.6984653 File: 1.49 MB, 1923x3798, 1682519588539417.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] previous experiments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:37:29 2023 No.6984665 File: 11 KB, 300x300, 1520936577019.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6984652 >prompts slop >traces over slop and pretend it is the original Not fooling anyone but other nodraws.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Tue Dec 19 22:38:39 2023 No.6984669 File: 1.33 MB, 3053x4659, 1687463421089224.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] from last threado

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Tue Dec 19 22:41:47 2023 No.6984672 File: 1.31 MB, 3125x2289, 1700262930618763.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] previous stuff from other anons. >>6984665 believe that if it makes you feel better.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:46:59 2023 No.6984678
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>>6984672
>No consistent sketch artstyle.
Like I said you're not fooling anyone but other nodraws. There, I speedran the thread so anybody who comes in here to argue down OP is retarded, or schizoposting on another device.
/thread ends here.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:27:04 2023 No.6984722
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>what's your current stance on it
I'm not an artist , I just draw shit for (you)s on 4chan, but it could go either way. I think AI could be some sort of force multiplier the way rigged animation or Flash were, it won't let any faggot come out of nowhere , decide he's an artist and start competing with Disney but it will turn two small time artists' pipe dream into small projects, small projects into medium sized ones, etc, and maybe a team of 40 who was just there animating car insurance commercials might do a whole movie and BTFO Hollywood some day.

I'd still bet on regulatory capture and actually powerful models ending up on a list with encryption software that actually works after normies realise just how much child porn you can make with them and beg for legislation and making some sort of commission that'll just be corpos deciding who gets access to the real shit, and either way some people will lose their jobs, but you never know.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:56:34 2023 No.6984754

>>6984652
if you went up to a racecar driver and asked him "what do you think of self-driving cars?! what's your STANCE?!" what do you think his reaction would be?
he would say he doesn't give a fuck because he likes to drive.
I like to draw. getting a machine to do it for me misses the point entirely. yeah, you can make some pretty neat images, but if the final product is more important than the joy of the process you were ngmi anyway

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 00:51:32 2023 No.6984812
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>>6984652
you'll do anything for attention, even pay this board to make it easy for you

its been already done before, no need for you to repeat it since not everyone will listen to you

"to each their own" as they say

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 00:54:56 2023 No.6984820
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>>6984754
race car driving is about what humans can do vs one another, arts largely about final product doesn't matter what made it, normal people don't give a shit alot of the time if the cake was made by a human or in a factory as long as it taste good. also we're going to downsize the art department and outsource with cheap ai shit so there's that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:02:50 2023 No.6984829 >>6984653 which AIs did you do the experiments with?

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 01:06:57 2023 No.6984833 >>6984829 everything is using stable diffusion 1.5

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:12:33 2023 No.6984842 >>6984833 thanks

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:13:39 2023 No.6984845

>>6984754
what if you want to make a game, and you just use the ai to assist with asset making?
you still have to edit them, compose them, and import them to your game engine, and make sure they mesh well with the rest of your visual aspects. then you have to do the programming, the music, the sound fx, the game design, the character design, the writing, the marketing, and all the other fun stuff that a human still has to manually do.
still many thousands of hours of work for you to do even with ai generation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:14:22 2023 No.6984848 File: 66 KB, 640x785, vr3symyd2ae51.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tripfag thread

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 01:20:05 2023 No.6984863 >>6984845 ignore the retards

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:34:56 2023 No.6984878

I like to test it's capabilities with each major release, I am a curious fella.
I don't use it for my art. I like not being 100% sure it will turn out well, it's satisfying when it does. "Damn I made that?"
It would find a use in a commercial project, texture and lighting mainly, but I'm not into that right now and I wouldn't share that stuff with ic, since the board is for your art, not your art plus a neural google search photobashing autocomplete filter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:49:31 2023 No.6984894 Some of the art is pretty old, I'd expect more output from how quick you can get these out from a sketch alone.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 01:58:53 2023 No.6984907

>>6984894
those posts are just summaries from previous threads.
and if you mean the OP, then i was actually thinking about a way to make that fairly uninspired sketch work using composition alone. (also i was busy with life)

i feel like i figured it out in the end so i consider that a success. i learned a bunch from it too.
tomorrow i'll start some new experiments. i'll take suggestions.

coloring or coming up with backgrounds are one thing, next i'll try using AI to come up with smaller more local details maybe.

sage Wed Dec 20 02:01:22 2023 No.6984910

>>6984653
You're basically doing the equivalent of making a sketch and then passing it off to your older brother to finish it. No reason why that would belong in a board about making your own art. Worst part is you're such an egotistical prick about it ie. muh "you guys are too simple minded to comprehend" bullshit, and the subsequent spam threads that follow. There's a reason why YOU specifically are not well liked.
Inb4 "but muh future of games and movies and tv-" well that sounds like a great conversation to have over at >>>/g/, the perfect place to discuss the merits of technology, not the board that is the antithesis of AI creation.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 02:21:04 2023 No.6984934

>>6984910
i just disagree strongly with most anti AI stances, that's all.

in your case too: you managed to understand that the AI is using my sketches, but you still don't fully get it.
because in all those cases it was still me that had to put on the finishing touches too. to actually make it look like my sketch again.
and i would have to do a lot more if these were supposed to be finished illustrations.

and you also don't understand how much handholding i'm doing for the AI to give me what i want. i had to go through a lot of trial and error to get the OP for example. (though i'll get faster the more i get used to the workflow)

you people don't try it so you think it's all magic.
at least you're taking the baby steps now. you understand that sketches CAN be used.

some people are still in denial even over this

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:27:31 2023 No.6984945 I have accepted that tripfag will stay delusional and be an irrelevant nodraw for eternity

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:51:02 2023 No.6984973

>>6984934
No one thinks it's magic. YOU are the one trying to make it sound more complicated than it really is.
>you also don't understand how much handholding i'm doing
>i had to go through a lot of trial and error
>the more i get used to the workflow
Wow, you must be sweating bullets with such a heavy burden you put on yourself. Insufferable faggot. YOU are more hated than AI threads.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:58:56 2023 No.6984976

>>6984934
Just stop. Its time to stop. Nobody thinks you have any real skill or value as an artist. We see through your bullshit every time. This isn't about AI, its about you leveraging it to somehow make you seem like a great artist. Every one of these threads is and ego trip for you and GOD DAMN the jannies fucking ban me for this comment I don't care but you're fucking useless. Everyone reports tripfags threads and nothing ever happens. Go fuck yourselves.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 03:20:06 2023 No.6984993

>>6984973
spare me with your brainless takes.
you literally just said that I give the sketch to a "older brother" and then what, the rest just appears out of thin air? if that's not magic, what is it?
or are you going to claim to actually understand how any of this works?
these threads LITERALLY exist so I can figure out these kind of workflows, as well as the limits of what can and can't be done.

>>6984976
>>6984973
>YOU
>YOU
>YOU
lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:23:14 2023 No.6984998 >>6984652 total ai nigger death

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:24:03 2023 No.6985003 >>6984993 >if that's not magic, what is it? Theft. Its theft of artists with way more soul and dedication than you.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 03:32:37 2023 No.6985009 >>6985003 yeah totally. some other artist made those images and I stole them. or maybe you think those outputs the AI generated are stolen from the larger collective artisthood. this all makes sense to you. but not to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:33:08 2023 No.6985012 AI "art" is only good for inspo for character design and composition. It should not be used for much else

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:37:20 2023 No.6985017 I started using AI to render my lineart, sometimes I paint on top of it after, then run it through again, then paint on top, diminishing returns after that. then I ask my wife's boyfriend if he likes my art but he just winks at me and leaves the room.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:48:16 2023 No.6985026

>>6984669
I'll just point out that OP edited a cat on top of what was presumably their own line art on the middle left of this image. They also in previous threads gaussian blurred their line art. Why? Are they insecure? Are they using AI in the first place because they're insecure and mediocre? Its almost like they want to hide themselves as much as possible behind AI. Dang.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:08:55 2023 No.6985045 File: 93 KB, 348x377, 1953541668.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6984672 Hey that's me. I still like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:15:08 2023 No.6985048 >>6984652 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:18:27 2023 No.6985051 >>6984652 Are you the guy from egaku?

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 04:44:55 2023 No.6985081

>>6985026
I also try to not draw faces or anything else that I usually would consider my style. I even use a hard round pen without pressure sensitivity. why? Just look at how incredibly mad people are at me. for basically just talking about AI.
and in hindsight, considering my recent threads here, I feel INCREDIBLY validated in trying to hide my style. because some of you are emotional to the point of being mentally ill when it comes to AI.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:07:21 2023 No.6985123
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AI in any creative field is fucking retarded. It's the final answer for all the soulless, untalented faggots of the world who want to be able to pretend that they can do something of value without any of the study, work, collaboration, self-discovery etc. that makes any artist or craftsman who they are. The end product is nowhere near as valuable as the process that got you there. And bullshit like "well I still sketched some of it or traced over some of it" or "I did work too, I typed words into the prompt box" is just that, bullshit. AI faggots make art but aren't artists. Not that I expect OP or any other untalented autistic minmaxing faggot to understand what I mean when I say that. And inb4 any whinging about "no I AM a REAL ARTIST," shut the fuck up.

AI faggots are like a fatfuck who hops on an electric bike that can hit 25 mph off of one pedal stroke and decides to call himself a cyclist. Not to mention the bulk of it is literally just plagiarism. I'm actually very interested to see if any legal disputes start springing up from any of the artists whose work got thrown into the woodchipper for the current crop of AI art programs to have learn as much as they have already.

I'll bitch about how retarded the whole concept is until I die, but I'm not one of those "IT'S GONNA STEAL OUR JOBS" people. There will always be a huge demand for man-made work across all disciplines in the real world, just like there'll now be a demand for AI shit. People who actually leave their fucking house and do more with their life and career than shitpost on /ic/ will get gigs, people who don't won't. I think AI faggotry will only be the end of the world for faggots who didn't know how to make (and most importantly, MARKET) anything interesting in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:10:49 2023 No.6985131 >>6985081 >for basically just talking about AI. it's the way you do it, you know that. >I am going to change ic, you will accept AI, just like I made you accept anime, you retarded emotional egotistical luddite schizo babies

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:12:46 2023 No.6985135

>>6984652
I'm more interested in advanced versions of GAN's that can create a decent in-between of two line art drawings for easier solo animation work. The automatic coloring-ai for animation also looks pretty interesting, otherwise ai has no effect on me besides inspiration for my trad work

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:51:23 2023 No.6985176 >>6985123 >The end product is nowhere near as valuable as the process Tell that to social media and the people who have money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:54:07 2023 No.6985181 File: 11 KB, 480x360, 1667584008298196.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are you taking requests to experiment with the Ai? I have something interesting to try if you would.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:56:20 2023 No.6985184 >>6985176 >social media artists have far more engagement than aijeets >money artists get paid far more than aijeets did you even think about what you were typing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:00:08 2023 No.6985187 >>6985184 Did you? I wasn't talking about just AI.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:01:03 2023 No.6985190 >I-I w-w-w-wasn’t talking about j-j-just ai

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:05:08 2023 No.6985192 >seething so hard he resorts to retard stuttering text. No one gives two fucks if you spent 10 years drawing skeletons and boxes. They only care about what they see in the end.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:11:58 2023 No.6985196 >>6985192 I pay to see artists process...

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:14:32 2023 No.6985199

>>6985192
/ic/ is never going to take that blackpill, let them continue wondering why drawing academic studies of portraits of old wrinkly people in a 1:1 ratio doesn't net any interaction with anybody. They're like the guy who drew the comic strip of his botfly OC which nobody gives a shit about because it is stale and uninteresting art you'd expect to find at a cheap restaurant using royalty free coloring books to help pass the time.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:15:52 2023 No.6985203

It's been informative for a couple reasons.
It truly shines a light at how godawful the taste is of your average person not really involved in the art world.
It will eventually start replacing creatives of all kinds but not for the reason you might think, it's because the artist world is also full of people with godawful tastes/aesthetics that makes them very easy to replace.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:27:52 2023 No.6985210 >>6985199 again with the old wrinkly people, I'm standing right here you know!

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 11:04:28 2023 No.6985366
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>>6985012
i used it for inspo in the OP. i tried a bunch before settling on a sketch for the background (and yes, it's a very lousy and vague sketch). but there is no reason to stop there.

also funny you mention character design, that's one of the things i wouldn't use it for.

>>6985181
go ahead. i'll consider it.
also dumb satanya poster

>>6985131
nah, you know that me "being a dick" doesn't explain everything.
i don't make you people act like this, AI does. just look at some of the posts itt.

>>6985123
>Not to mention the bulk of it is literally just plagiarism.
lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:15:40 2023 No.6985371 >>6984652 I don't care about what any of you niggers has to say on this retarded topic. Just post the full pic for the result in the OP, I like it.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 11:22:30 2023 No.6985379 File: 2.31 MB, 1024x1536, 1700934129013190.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6985371 rude

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:26:38 2023 No.6985382 >>6985366 >nah, you know that me "being a dick" doesn't explain everything. just "being a dick"? oh ok...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:28:10 2023 No.6985383 >>6985123 Saved

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:35:07 2023 No.6985388 File: 317 KB, 350x628, 1699238777911030.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6985379 >that quality >PNG Pray that I do not escalate the rudeness, young man. Here's some AI that I liked and saved in the past.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:37:01 2023 No.6985391 bro is delusional, soon everyone will have this guy in their filters

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:41:44 2023 No.6985393 >>6985366 >i don't make you people act like this, AI does. Good, now substitute "you people act like this" with "art". You're almost there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:53:27 2023 No.6985400 >>6984652 >>6984653 Weird how you have so many completely different styles for sketches Shitty nodraw

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:57:24 2023 No.6985401

>>6985123
I gave a try to AI music generator for a bit. First few days I liked it. After a while I'm starting to see a pattern of what it could generate and it started feeling... samey. Then I go around thinking like, man, I needed something better than this shit and more control. Unfortunately I dont exactly have the luxury to learn music now since I'm already busy with work and art. I guess if I'm gonna use AI generated music in some games that'll be fine with me, but I sure as hell wont claim to be the composer since all I did was press a button and just pick among the carousel of which sounded the most fitting for my game (or whatever application I'm using it for)

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:01:08 2023 No.6985403
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I discovered that stable diffusion can generate crude depth map for anything, which is very useful if you are one of those 5 people who care about anaglyphs in 2023. Otherwise its pretty much useless and unreliable outside of toying with it.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 12:04:01 2023 No.6985404
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>>6985388
if i was to finish it, i'd have to redraw and redesign/upscale a lot of it. especially the big machine in the back, it would need to become something more specific and maybe eye catching.
this was just to finish the my initial goal, which was finding a composition/environment for a lame-ish sketch.
it was something i struggled with in the last thread. pic related.

>>6985401
now what if you had more control and you already are a musician?

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:37:51 2023 No.6985426

>>6984652
>have you accepted /AI/ yet?
AI was fun to experiment with, but that's all. The final product was all I wanted.
I won't use it to produce artworks, because I'd rather learn to draw and paint than prompt. AI will never be able to reproduce correctly what I have in mind, and the day this whole AI will be gone (because let's face it, AI is not sustainable and will never be), proompters will seethe and cry and I'll sitll be drawing and painting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:43:29 2023 No.6985434 >>6985403 That's not stable diffusion, those are different algorithms like MiDaS.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:47:46 2023 No.6985436

>it's been a while, have you accepted /AI/ yet?
What's there to accept? Every so often an attention-starved mental case comes by to get an imitation of social interaction by arguing about a hot button issue. That's about it for the depth of discussion of the subject here.
>6984820
>arts largely about final product doesn't matter what made it,
I can't imagine a more ignorant statement about art, and the beauty of 4chan, I suppose, is that it's impossible to tell if you're a troll of a moron.
>6984993
> if that's not magic, what is it?
Linear algebra.
>>6985123
Is art defined by the physical strain required to produce something? If person A and person B each came up with the same concept for an image, and both rendered it out, but A did it manually and B did it with the help of a tool, why is it art when A did it but not when B did?

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 13:29:07 2023 No.6985462

>>6985388
testing layering images by color quantization.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/QtFFFBt

I think I can achieve better results by combining segmentation of the image by color, value and edge, but I just need to know how.

>>6985436
>linear algebra
based answer, linear algebra and signal processing should be mandatory courses for art students.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 13:32:58 2023 No.6985467 >>6984665 >Not fooling anyone but the people who pay for art.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 14:42:47 2023 No.6985504
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alright, let's see what we can do with this.
gonna try to generate some stuff into the empty corner. this time not in an environmentally coherent way.

should be easy. let's take it easy for the first experiment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 14:50:55 2023 No.6985509 >>6985181 >mikufag

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 14:53:40 2023 No.6985512 File: 2.00 MB, 512x512, 1643881705393.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I accepted AI when I first saw llms produce something that wasn't a melting lovecraftian abomination. Still too lazy to use it and that likely won't change any time soon.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 14:53:40 2023 No.6985513

>>6984652
I don't understand. If AI is so cool and artists are obsolete why AI trannies always try to promote it here? This attention seeking looks pathetic:
>>6984653
>>6984669
>>6984672
>>6984812
>>6985366
>>6985379
>>6985403
>>6985404

Don't you have your own communities to talk about it? Because so far it looks like nobody gives a fuck about AI art, even AI trannies themselves don't care about talking with each other about AI art and forced to spam it here thread after thread to gain at least some attention. Also, you will never be a real artist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 14:58:37 2023 No.6985517 File: 108 KB, 930x751, GBuXI_iXoAACy91.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6985513 >Don't you have your own communities to talk about it? they mostly talk about how much money they've wasted

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 15:00:51 2023 No.6985519

>>6985513
>If AI is so cool and artists are obsolete
>and artists are obsolete
again this adverserial mindset. this is why i'm trying to change mindsets.
so you don't say embarrassing shit like this that makes you look like a pouty teenager.

or you can just filter my trip. it's that easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 15:01:19 2023 No.6985521 >>6985519 any real arguments retard?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 15:05:39 2023 No.6985530 >>6985513 >Don't you have your own communities to talk about it? like Reddit or Xitter? or StableDiffusion Discord? NO! It must be /ic/ for some reason!

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 15:13:20 2023 No.6985538

>>6985521
what arguments? did you make any?
mask it under personal insults and """""attention seeking""""" all you want, but all you're saying at this point is
>please please PLEASE don't talk about AI, don't show AI, i can't take it! I don't want to see it, i don't want to know it, i want to pretend it doesn't exist and so should everyone else!

if i fucking cared about attention, i WOULD post in those other places instead of here, trying to change board to be less retarded.

>>6985530
and we can't have that, can we?
because uh oh, lil anon is gonna pop a vein again!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 15:14:53 2023 No.6985540 >>6985538 >and we can't have that, can we? >because uh oh, lil anon is gonna pop a vein again! But seriously, why /ic/ and not the places you'd actually be welcome?

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 15:48:22 2023 No.6985597

>>6985540
because i don't care to throw myself against friends and other artists in this extremely toxic discourse.
what would be the point? so i can get screamed at on twitter by even more obviously retarded people?
as for pro AI spaces, if i find a good spot, i'd probably consider posting there too. but that's a different matter.

for /ic/, i post precisely because it's something people are trying to avert their eyes from. i'm just trying to push against a narrative that is blatantly wrong. i genuinely think the people that promote these kind of viewpoints are doing harm to artists as a whole.
instead of seeing AI for what it is, they'd rather wallow in delusions and go on a righteous crusade, all while knowing nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 15:54:54 2023 No.6985609 I'll only say this. Anyone thinking AI will disappear is massively coping or very naive.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:00:12 2023 No.6985620

>6985597
>because i don't care to throw myself against friends and other artists in this extremely toxic discourse.
>what would be the point? so i can get screamed at on twitter by even more obviously retarded people?
It's curious how quickly your goal of advocacy for AI shifted to advocacy of AI *to a select group of people* as soon as personal consequences for you were involved.
As a side note: I don't understand why you are so preoccupied with changing minds of people who you, in your own words, consider retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:04:28 2023 No.6985628 >>6984652 Duc the cuck, duc the cuck~ Can't paint so churns out vapid schlop~

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:05:47 2023 No.6985630 >>6984652 >it's been a while, have you accepted /AI/ yet? Kill yourself

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:10:49 2023 No.6985639 >>6985597 There’s none so deaf as those who will not hear. I think it's time for you to move on.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:13:58 2023 No.6985644

>>6985436
>If person A and person B each came up with the same concept for an image, and both rendered it out, but A did it manually and B did it with the help of a tool, why is it art when A did it but not when B did?
This has happened in real life, Look at Ditko and Stan lee for example. Or Bill Finger and kane??

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:18:27 2023 No.6985651 >>6984722 >beg for legislation and making some sort of commission that'll just be corpos thats their plan

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 16:25:32 2023 No.6985663

>>6985620
what shift? i just explained to you why i post here instead of elsewhere. i always meant to post here. i always went out of my way to do it anonymously. your armchair analyses are getting really stupid. consider taking your pills.

>I don't understand why you are so preoccupied with changing minds of people
i don't anymore actually. i consider you lost causes at this point. now i'm just trying to prevent the retardation from spreading. basically fighting back against the echo chamber.

just look at >>6985123 for example
so idealistic. so righteous!
i bet if you buy into this, you feel good about yourself.
but fact of the matter is, this is not based in anything real. this retard still calls AI straight up plagiarism even. he literally knows nothing.
he talks about effort, but in reality, i'd love to see where his skill level is. and rather than larping about being an artist, how much effort he actually put into his art development compared to me, the "AI bro" who likes to use crutches.

>>6985639
i get that. i'm just focusing on my thread.
but i need to spend less time replying to retards.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:36:49 2023 No.6985675

I think using AI takes away from how much you can say you made it. In picrel you use a sketch only for it to be almost entirely altered in the final product. You didn't do the coloring nor that perspective.
The only good use is probably >>6984653, but even then the only really good one is the knight armor girl since it's iterations I'm imagining to find out hoe to design the character. But even then, you're taking away from your own credit of the work.

If we take artist in this specific context refer to painters, illustrators, sketch artists, etc, then you by definition aren't one and are seemingly using ai to compensate for a lack of ability.
>is that necessarily bad?
If you want to paint yourself as an artist and are using the works of others to make your own AI work and generate a damn thing? Yes. You are doing a quarter of the work for an easy result utilizing the art of others in your AI.
It's hard to even say you put in the work because it is literally altering your drawing in both subtle (clothing, angle of face, etc) and major (entire fucking perspective changes).

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:47:07 2023 No.6985691 >>6985675 I have to disagree. You're making it either way, regardless of how many automated processes you utilize. Full credit goes to you and you would be considered the artist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:48:51 2023 No.6985694 File: 155 KB, 448x448, 1613623378017.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6985517

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:49:10 2023 No.6985696 >>6985691 I bought a train ticket the other day, I sure drove that train well if I do say so myself

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:51:34 2023 No.6985700
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>>6985691
>You're making it either way, regardless of how many automated processes you utilize.
You know thats bullshit, how can anyone do something like this (picrel) and say they made anything?

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:52:01 2023 No.6985701

>>6985691
No, you aren't. You could say you made the sketch, but you did not do the coloring nor did you make the alterations. The ai altered your work, some parts you did not even contribute to relying on the ai to fill in the gaps.
You are literally using ai to skip entire processes for no practical reason other than to compensate for a lack of skill.

The funny part is, yo udidnt even deny the part about using works from others. So are you admitting to essentially stealing the hard work of others because you yourselves didn't want to do it?
In the instances where you would even need a product quickly, this does not change that you are surrending a major part of the process to an automation.
Pretty much every form of the, let's say 'mark arts'(illustrators, sketch artists, painters, digital etc) are intentional in their works and have no generative process that puts a finished product in front of them. This is more or less entirely new.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 16:57:29 2023 No.6985706
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>>6985675
>I think using AI takes away from how much you can say you made it. In picrel you use a sketch only for it to be almost entirely altered in the final product. You didn't do the coloring nor that perspective.
if you're talking about the OP, i did plan that perspective.
the only thing that wasn't intended was the foreground object to the right. it was supposed to be a panel further back, but the AI interpreted it as a foreground object. i left it because it is actually better. (same with the shoes. showing ankles is a nice touch.)

the tilted horizon line and thus the perspective is implied in the sketch, the objects are also very roughly following that perspective, and the AI actually picks up on that.
the sketch is that messy because there isn't any point in sketching precisely if i actually want the AI to fill in details.
these workflows are constantly about trading likeness versus giving AI free reign, and you're always going back and forth.

keep in mind that all of these experiments are deliberately trying to be challenging. if you just do simple pose a simple closeup,, the AI can very easily pick up on your sketch. like this older example in pic related (this is the pure output with lines on top, without any overpainting that would come next). but i'm trying to test limits here.
but even with much harder examples like >>6985504, you can still make it work with some guidance it seems, and then i paint the rest.

also in case you don't know i literally changed the entire face in the first example of >>6984653
so again, it is mine.

you're still thinking rigidly, as if the process is automatic. but just like conventional art, an artist will make changes throughout the process. you don't just take a sketch and follow it to the tee.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:58:27 2023 No.6985708

>>6985696
>>6985700
>>6985701
In my opinion even if all you're doing is typing in a text prompt and getting an image, you are 100% resposible for making it and you get all the credit. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think it's correct. The reasoning is simple, creation in the metaphysical sense requires intent, AI is incapable of possesing intent, ergo the creator can only be the human in the loop.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:00:57 2023 No.6985713 >>6985708 >In my opinion even if all you're doing is typing in a text prompt and getting an image, you are 100% resposible for making it and you get all the credit. I completely disagree with you

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:02:20 2023 No.6985716 >>6985708 Never go full retard. >Googling with intent... Look what I made! The latent space is not yours. You are not responsible for it. Photographers understand this.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:05:26 2023 No.6985720

>>6985706
This doesn't really remove my point that you are surrending a significant portion of the workflow to an ai which does take away from how much claim you alone have to it.
That just means your art was ai assisted. I don't think that's a particularly disagreeable definition, however it is a different process when compares to a lot of the 'mark arts' as a result of the generative process.
>you're still thinking rigidly, as if the process is automatic
But a chunk of it IS automatic anon. Just because it did not come out exactly as you wanted does not then mean the coloring wasn't automatic, the perspective wasn't automatic, the detail wasn't automatic.
Yes, you can make alterations, however they still have much automation to them, it's just that it may not be totally 100% generated with no artistic input.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:05:32 2023 No.6985721 >>6985713 Fair enough. >>6985716 This example is erroneous, I'll leave it at that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:14:50 2023 No.6985733 >>6985721 >This example is erroneous, I'll leave it at that. It's really not, I'll leave it at that.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 17:32:34 2023 No.6985754
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>>6985720
eh fair enough. i do call it AI assisted. and the point of it is to get AI input, obviously.

but still. in the case of finishing it, i always have to overpaint things. it would be the case for the op image as well. the only reason the figure is following the sketch is also because i overpainted it. if i finished it, i'd need to design and overpaint the machine as well, or at least large sections of it.

i mean if you think it's automatic, then just look at these raw outputs.
it's not automatic anon, it's not magic. you have to do specific things to make it behave a certain way. and only to get something workable, not finished.
the way i see it, the most valuable thing i get from it in cases like pic related are color choices.

in cases like the OP, i had to do quite a bit to get to any result i want. in essence, it is a lot of tweaking the input guidance. and it's not just prompts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:35:04 2023 No.6985758 >>6985517 ART IS FINALLY DEMOCRATIZED FUHUHUHUHU

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 17:40:46 2023 No.6985765
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>>6985720
or another example in the OP, this was only the last step, where i rolled for details, but as you can see, all of those images have the same composition already. the composition i decided on. a lot of it is the AI but it doesn't get there on its own. there was a lot of guidance along the way.

the sketch as well, it's based on a similar principle as the rough environment sketches you see in >>6984669
i'm not placing objects randomly, i'm placing a horizon line to determine the perspective, then make some lines and walls that make sense. then i use that as rough guidance.
and surprisingly, the AI actually undestands the perspective using these "hints".

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 17:55:21 2023 No.6985773

>>6985754
>it's not automatic anon, it's not magic. you have to do specific things to make it behave a certain way. and only to get something workable, not finished.
I hate to tell you this anon but that's exactly how automation works in a lot of industries

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:00:05 2023 No.6985778 >>6984845 >and import them to your game engine Pull and drop?

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:08:19 2023 No.6985790

>>6984976
I'd give them some respect if and only if they programmed everything from scratch on their own and did not use any external images for data training.
Not some gayous grab a bunch of python scripts and be all set in absolute max of two hours if your setup is a mess and you have absolutely no idea what you're doing.
Not even using some gay libraries for python that did the entire ai thing for you and you just spam some random layers and call it "adjusting hyperparameters".
It shouldn't be legal to use ai if you cannot make ai.
Sadly cannot say the same about everything else like OS and hardware because it's just not realistically doable, but current ais are in such an infant stage so far that anybody can learn and build ones from scratch in any language from scratch within a month.
It's still far easier than learning to draw but these monkeys still deem it too hard and go grab random trash online just to look like every other monkey that does the same.

It should be easier, but not infinitely worse.

>>	ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 18:10:15 2023 No.6985795 File: 450 KB, 768x512, 1685724199319797.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh my goodness guys. miku is absolutely glowing here. the size of her big round tummy is something i decided on and i've got many more iterations to show you guys.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:14:23 2023 No.6985802 >>6985790 >If you want to make an anime girl standing in a white void you must first invent the universe.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:14:52 2023 No.6985803

>>6984652
>has your opinion changed in any way, and what's your current stance on it?
If NovelAI v4 gets leaked, it's seriously over for artists that intend to profit off of their work. I was floored at how good its generations were, and I even found myself mistakenly saving them in my non-AI art folder because of how genuine they looked. They've introduced me to art styles that never previously existed, tailor-made to my tastes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:15:14 2023 No.6985806 File: 245 KB, 503x501, 1694568929081447.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6985795 You're a sick puppy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:18:22 2023 No.6985811 File: 117 KB, 1036x888, Screenshot 2023-12-20 101755.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6985366 Late reply but here you go.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:25:46 2023 No.6985821 >>6985802 Literally the opposite of my point. Not even the same direction. Go read it again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:33:43 2023 No.6985829 >>6985821 I got it the first time, it's stupid.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 18:37:18 2023 No.6985836
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eh, it's rather difficult to get a classic easter island moai for some reason.
i realized just now that i should just have included "easter island". but oh well.

>>6985811
what do you want for this? a background environment? since it's a floating thing i'm not sure what to do with this.
i'll do it a bit later if you have a specific idea for it.

>>6985773
again, fair enough. this is supposed to be automation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:51:58 2023 No.6985855 I like having control of every little detail and color choice so I end up doing everything myself, in my case at least AI Is pointless because It takes my control away.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:52:37 2023 No.6985857
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>>6985836
>i'll do it a bit later if you have a specific idea for it.
I was curious to see how the Ai would render it since it isn't an anime girl. As for the background I had an idea of turning it into a glass mural at a cathedral. Here's a better one with a transparent background.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:59:16 2023 No.6985868 >>6985778 spoken like a true nodev

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 19:01:54 2023 No.6985877 >>6985790 >In order to gain respect you must develop your own Photoshop / Clip Studio / Paint tool SAI Wut

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:14:28 2023 No.6986065 >>6985517 close to 50k images how many were sold? what are the profit margins?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:17:24 2023 No.6986069 >>6984820 this was written by a person who cannot draw

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:32:50 2023 No.6986081

>>6986069
just look at those comments brainlet the proof is right there. the industry will be taken over by ai, ai and real art will be indistinguishable online, who made what, how much ai was used, nobody will know, nobody will give a shit in the end, especially the majority of consoomers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:40:07 2023 No.6986089 Artists: AI copies my artwork!!! The same artists: AI artwork is really bad! hmm.... what are they insinuating here I wonder...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:43:20 2023 No.6986092 man, aijeets really are reaching the end of their rope huh

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 22:05:55 2023 No.6986118

getting started with >>6985811 now

>>6985790
i hope you're talking about finetuning, because otherwise you're completely retarded. you cannot make an AI with just one person's art.
AI is not a magic machine that can just "do" art and then it learns all the art out there. no.
it gains the ability THROUGH learning a large dataset, and the large part is very important, because only by seeing many examples, the AI starts to generalize and learn concepts.

i understand the sentiment though. but once again this is just ignorance.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 22:19:09 2023 No.6986137 >>6985857 i'm not sure how to read this, which part is the glass mural? isn't that eye and magic ring thingy 3 dimensional?

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:23:10 2023 No.6986141
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>>6986137
>i'm not sure how to read this, which part is the glass mural? isn't that eye and magic ring thingy 3 dimensional?
Yeah I know I'm an idiot I was drawing in 3d without thinking it was supposed to be flat for a mural and before I realized that it was too late.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 22:28:57 2023 No.6986143
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>>6986141
if it's just a glass mural then it would be easy. if the object was in front of the glass then it would be workable. but if it's kinda embedded in the stained glass at an angle then i dunno lol.
maybe i can see it as a challenge or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:32:48 2023 No.6986145 File: 82 KB, 1280x720, 1656003725089.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6986143 Damn this is so fucking cool you even got the arch at the corner going.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 23:03:09 2023 No.6986168 File: 1.12 MB, 1503x751, 1681838396847951.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6986145 there's more to be done!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:13:11 2023 No.6986178 >>6986168 Thank you I forgot to recess the bore for the window like that and I like the right one it looks more mechanical and other worldly I'm saving these.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 23:16:26 2023 No.6986181 File: 3.44 MB, 2266x1190, 1694996092978595.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6986178 some ideas for the structure without the eye i guess

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:17:14 2023 No.6986182 >>6986178 >>6986168 >>6986181 and I like the textures on the walls it's going to be more work but I'm going to do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:19:01 2023 No.6986185 jfc this would have unironically been done in 15 minutes with cs6 and stock images, are these the “people” telling you about the industry

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 23:20:25 2023 No.6986189 File: 1.68 MB, 1793x726, 1693081781657768.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6986182 if you just want ideas for the eyes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:21:55 2023 No.6986192 >>6986189 Well I'm impressed.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Wed Dec 20 23:26:31 2023 No.6986199

this is just the idea gathering stage.
to get past this, you need to have an idea of what you want. a concept and a composition for example. now would be a good time to alter the sketch, make a new sketch or make big changes and start to develop towards a final idea.
right now it's more or les just random cosmic hole in the wall.

from here on out i'll just move forward with what i would do and see where that takes me..

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:41:53 2023 No.6986211 >>6986199 I like it, it's like getting different interpretations and redlines from someone at your fingertips.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:32:03 2023 No.6986256 >>6986143 >>6986145 Why does this read as samefagging >then again it's a tripfag thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:34:23 2023 No.6986259 File: 96 KB, 720x223, this nigga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6986199 >>6986211 and again

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:37:22 2023 No.6986261 >>6985754 The original is suppose to be a kangaroo

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:48:01 2023 No.6986277 >>6985802

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:52:00 2023 No.6986282
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>>6986256
>>6986259
Leave us, we're exchanging ideas and discussing about art and thanks to him the background is starting to look much better than before. Just one example of what Ai may do for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 00:57:10 2023 No.6986290 >>6986182

>>	Gay thread Thu Dec 21 00:59:18 2023 No.6986293 >>6986282 >so your prob discord fags making a thread Mkay

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 01:00:45 2023 No.6986294
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eeeh, i should have just went with a sketch. instead i was trying to mash things together with your sketch, and the angles don't quite match.

but that's it for now. i'll do more tomorrow. suggestions are welcome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:02:03 2023 No.6986296 lol m a o

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 01:03:53 2023 No.6986298 >>6986261 and? do you have proof she's not a kangaroo?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:05:31 2023 No.6986300 >>6986145

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:16:29 2023 No.6986315 >>6985519 >just trying to change mindsets -tripfag Keeps coming every week that it's advertising at this point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:17:59 2023 No.6986318 >6984653

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:19:22 2023 No.6986322 >6985765

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:27:41 2023 No.6986330

>>6985663
T B H trip fag the anon you (YOU) prob can serve more of a case study on why you need to fuck off.
Because annoying people so much into hating everything (you) do or stand for is not gonna change shit about the world. If anything people rather fuck with ya instead of giving you the time of day
>and you deserve it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:32:44 2023 No.6986337 File: 1.33 MB, 498x273, zelda-good.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6984652 >posted links >already dead

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:34:12 2023 No.6986338 >6985806 >t-tripfag forgot your trip

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 01:35:56 2023 No.6986341 sirs

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 02:02:52 2023 No.6986364
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>>6986294
Another thing worth nothing is how the Ai provides you light information I am amazed at how helpful this is. Thank you for sharing these with us you remind me a lot of how this board used to be back then when people actually took the time of day to help you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 02:50:00 2023 No.6986405 >>6986364 >literally samefagging from tripfag Or it's mikufag. Both equally a bad signs to see in a thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 10:18:04 2023 No.6986735 >>6986405 always the same 2-3 fags inorganically posting and rushing to each other's defense like a generated human centipede

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:16:45 2023 No.6987259 >>6985754 can't believe the AI did the best Proko-creature so far A fucking program has more soul than us humans. It's so over, bros.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:31:03 2023 No.6987282 How do I go from sketch to masterpiece? All my results look like shit with AI

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 21:21:45 2023 No.6987338 File: 238 KB, 483x635, 1682883228924438.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987259 i did most of it. or rather, you can see exactly how much i did or didn't do. >nah you just traced over the AI! ah ok. if that makes you feel better.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 21:22:17 2023 No.6987340

>>6984665
>>6984678
lmao you're just coping. OP didn't traced shit, the AI can indeed make a masterpiece out of a simple sketch using ControlNET, you can literally try it yourself but you won't because you aren't ready to face the reality that you're an obsolete hack. People with creativity will thrive with the AI.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 21:48:47 2023 No.6987361
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finally got around to installing comfyui and trying out krita-diffusion.
i'm not actually sure how useful this will be, but it's interesting to play with.

>>6987282
denoise, strength and the ending steps can be really important for cnet. it's a lot of fine adjustment really.
i tend to think of it in terms of
>how much do i want it to follow what i give it
>how much do i want the AI to do whatever it wants to

for example, even in this krita output, you can see i used a lineart-cnet for that one lineart layer. and it's at 60% strength and stops at 40% of the way. the more high quality your lines are, the more you can let it follow you exactly.
there are also lots of other things to consider. you just have to experiment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 21:54:31 2023 No.6987367 File: 16 KB, 190x200, itsover le polface.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987361 >krita, photoshop and CSP have integrated AI plugins now Not like this, luddite sisters.... not like this....

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 21:56:45 2023 No.6987370 >>6987338 fine. Congratulations, you win. I was very worried.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:10:28 2023 No.6987383 >>6987367 csp does? i don't think so. dunno about photoshop's either desu, although i saw an extention for it in auto1111.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:12:07 2023 No.6987385 >>6985517 >spend over 1k for something you can do for free wwwhyyyy would you not just use stable diffusion holy shit that's more than enough money you could spend on a GPU that could run SD

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:13:33 2023 No.6987390 >>6984652 Who's "we", you insufferable faggot?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:16:52 2023 No.6987394 >>6985513 >Don't you have your own communities to talk about it? >NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT AI ART IN OUR COMMUNITY THIS IS AN ANTI-AI HUGBOX >STOP TALKING ABOUT AI YOU'RE GOING TO LITERALLY KILL EVERY ARTIST

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:26:30 2023 No.6987402

>>6985513
>>6985530
Seethe. AI is a tool, that's it. If you luddite /pol/cels want to be so "le trad and against le goyslop", might as well stop using all digital tools, digital references and 3D posing, a pencil and notebook is all you need unlike le evil tech TROOOOONS OOOOOOH TROOOONS

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:31:23 2023 No.6987408 >>6984652 >erm hello computer uhh make it so i dont have to do my hobby anymore!! wow it worked!

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:38:20 2023 No.6987418
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i always find it interesting what the AI does or doesn't get.
the figure was apparently easy, but it failed at the hands, as it tends to. at least with only lineart cnet as input. with a bit of color hinting it should be fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:40:23 2023 No.6987422 >>6987408 Copium, it's not one or the other. I can still prooompt and draw, draw and improve my art with the AI, save time with the AI, preview ideas with the AI, make my own datasets, try to push the limit of the AI....

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:42:11 2023 No.6987426
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it looks like slop. i've generated well over 40,000 images and I just see stablediffusion from a mile away. it all has the most generic sameface slopped style with nonsensical details and no distinction between subject and background. none of these 'ai' images look like an improvements because they all render down into the same shitty greasy SD style. amazing how AIjeets cant recognize this and despite their "two more weeks fellow sirs!!!" nonsense, SD hasn't improved at all in a whole year.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:45:30 2023 No.6987432 >>6987422 >mprove my art with the AI The moment ai touches your art it's no longer yours, hope that clears stuff up, no problem friend!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:48:42 2023 No.6987435 File: 49 KB, 182x141, gengarlaugh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987422 >improve my art with the AI

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:49:21 2023 No.6987438

>>6987432
>I DEFINE WHAT'S ART!!!1
lolno, get bent fucker. By your own logic, the second you start editing your art in photoshop it's no longer your art since the computer's rendering algorithm is who really makes all the work with the the lineart, colors, effects.Pick up that pencil.

>>6987426
>goyslopgoyslopgoyslop
Tell me how you're a chinless incel escaped from /pol/ without telling me you're a /pol/tard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:51:08 2023 No.6987441 >>6987426 It's just 1.5 slop that looks like same fucking shit. Newer models don't look like this greasy shiny disgusting crap. The issue is that they are closed, namely NAI3 if you're talking about anime.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:52:18 2023 No.6987444

>>6987438
>the second you start editing your art in photoshop it's no longer your art since the computer's rendering algorithm is who really makes all the work with the the lineart, colors, effects.Pick up that pencil.
I hope someday you reread this exact sentence and realise how much you needed to jump through hoops to justify not being an artist and laugh at how retarded you were. Though you probably won't

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:53:23 2023 No.6987447
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>>6987426
>It looks like slop!
>I've generated over 90k images and it's all the same!
>No improvement
>Two more weeks!
>Sirs!
>Meanwhile from a fanbase on an obscure general that just wants to see more art from their favorite oshi on another board...
>>>/vt/64997806

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:53:49 2023 No.6987449 >>6987444 AI is a tool, much like any other digital editing software. You're just trying to justify your retarded crabs in a bucket hate for a new tool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:55:05 2023 No.6987452 >>6987447 local models do look like slop sadly and I'm saying this as an obsessed aifag

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:55:14 2023 No.6987453

I genuinely dont understand why AI fags make all these mental loopholes to larp as artists. You guys could easily come up with a name and tout that your pursuit is the communication between man and computer.

But you really sit here and pretend like pushing some buttons on a computer is the equivalent to putting a brush to canvas.

Like calling yourself a chef for making a door dash order or a football player because you play madden.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:56:29 2023 No.6987454

>>6987447
The reality is that /ic/ crabs hate the AI and pretend the rendering is "slop" because they know it makes their own shit art look even worse lmao. Artists with decent skill and appeal don't need to fear the AI because it's a god tier time-saving tool they can use to great effect.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 22:58:48 2023 No.6987458 File: 1.19 MB, 1364x1164, 1689735464358267.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] got there i guess. got a weird error when trying to use 2 cnets tho.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:58:55 2023 No.6987459 >>6987453 >YOU'RE NOT A REAL ARTIST, YOU'RE JUST PUSHING BUTTONS, IT'S NOT A REAL INSTRUMENT!!!1 lmao these arguments are the exact same ones people were making when synths appeared back in the early 1980s.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:59:45 2023 No.6987462 .

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 22:59:52 2023 No.6987463 File: 499 KB, 1364x1164, 1694154545745297.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] got there i guess. got a weird error when trying to use 2 cnets tho.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:00:50 2023 No.6987464 >>6987459 You're a glorified commissioner. the ai does all the work. all the larping in the world doesnt change that

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:01:41 2023 No.6987467 >>6987464 This

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:02:36 2023 No.6987469 >>6987464 >NOOOO!!! YOU CAN'T USE NEW TOOLS TO EXPRESS YOUR CREATIVITY EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE I SAY SO!!! Ok, and?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:02:37 2023 No.6987470 >>6987464 >the ai does all the work. So? Just do work that AI can't do? Why do you assume drawing is all the work that needs to be done in every creative project that exists?

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:04:15 2023 No.6987472
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>>6987454
>hate the AI and pretend the rendering is "slop" because they know it makes their own shit art look even worse lmao
Exactly, do you remember the last render monkey that was making heads turn? I'm talking about /ic/'s poster child Kuvshinov hell I remember almost every day there was a thread about him with fanboys gaping their mouths for his Vatnik dick I think one of them even wanted to become his shadow and aspire to be just like him in at one point and now all of the sudden being a render monkey is somewhat of a taboo now kek.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:08:45 2023 No.6987476 File: 557 KB, 600x552, aiface.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ai is look so good nobody can even tell!!!

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:10:49 2023 No.6987483
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>>6987472
The reality is that /ic/ crabbies can cry about "looks like slop!!!1" all day but even they know that's a lie: the AI can fuck up hands, eyes, feet,concepts and perspective but it can NEVER fuck up the rendering, the easiest way to tell an AI image from a drawn one is because the AI's rendering will be perfect 100% of the time, even when trying to emulate imperfect by nature styles like traditional coloring. Pic related.

>>6987476
>using the same model with the same style gives similar results! take THAT AIfags!
omg no waaaaaay

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:12:28 2023 No.6987487 >>6987483 >because the AI's rendering will be perfect 100% at least you finally admitted the Ai is the artist. now we're making progress

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:13:07 2023 No.6987488 File: 1.19 MB, 832x1216, 3girls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987476 wow so realistic!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:13:35 2023 No.6987489 >>6987487 By your own retarded logic, Photoshop is the real artist every time you adjust the contrast/hue/saturation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:14:17 2023 No.6987491 >>6987472 Go outside

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:15:03 2023 No.6987492 >>6987489 >By your own retarded logic Anon you're the one who typed the AIs rendering is perfect, YOU gave it credit for ITS work

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:15:33 2023 No.6987493

>>6987487
Nobody actually cares if AI is the artist except anti-ai fags trying to make up strawmans.
It's all ego-based to anti-ai fags, but pro-ai fags don't have any ego, so the statement doesn't mean anything at all them.
So what if AI is the "artist". What will you do then? Should AI be allowed on /ic/ with certainty since AIs are artists that produce art?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:15:49 2023 No.6987494 >>6987489 >you adjust the contrast/hue/saturation i adjust ai generates simple as nigger, you said it yourself

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:16:16 2023 No.6987496
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don't reply to the retards. that's one thing i learned from all my in this discourse. you can't really change their minds.

this thread is about focusing on AI instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:16:52 2023 No.6987497 File: 520 KB, 900x862, 1622330411776.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987493 >but pro-ai fags don't have any ego

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:17:39 2023 No.6987499 >>6987496 >glossy jeans yup thats the power of 1.5 sirs!!! stable diffusion will never lose!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:18:49 2023 No.6987500 >>6987492 lmao the insane mental gymnastics. By your own logic, when you say you made your digital art on photoshop, you are giving the program all the credit.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:21:27 2023 No.6987502

>>6987497
It's true. No matter how much you want to strawman with random cherrypicked normalfags on facebook and reddit, anti-ai fags will always have more ego than the random AI user that just wants to experiment with AI.
Anti-AI fags always bring up useless crab terms like "hard work" and "talent", but it literally means nothing to the people without huge egos up their asses.
Ego tripping anti-ai fags will always try to discredit pro-ai fags with egocentric terminology, but it just doesn't work at all because the true pro-ai fags never brought any ego into the argument at all.
All they see are entitled brats arguing with emotion instead of real logic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:21:30 2023 No.6987503 >>6987499 it half colored and half rendered my exact lines. looks useful to me anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:21:58 2023 No.6987504 >>6987469 you couldn't show more clearly how you have lost the plot

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:22:07 2023 No.6987505 >>6987499 nai3 is based on sdxl and is not this shiny garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:22:39 2023 No.6987506 File: 1.08 MB, 1364x1164, 1677489506984479.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987499 it half colored and half rendered my exact lines. looks useful to me anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:22:54 2023 No.6987507 >>6987500 >he's still equating brushes to content generation

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:25:10 2023 No.6987511

>>6987505
too bad you have no actual control of it so 'prompt engineering exactly what i want' fails yet again. the dilemma of aifags: either have full control to tweak and tune the most shitty models in the world or shout commands through a filter at actually decent AI models and hope they listen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:25:28 2023 No.6987513 >>6987493 >So what if AI is the "artist" then it has no artistic value

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:26:58 2023 No.6987516 >>6987511 yeah currently it is closed shit but it's not like we're going to be stuck with this same exact model landscape forever? at least it proves to clueless to artfags that it won't look like >>6987476 forever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:27:07 2023 No.6987517 >>6987513 An artist, by definition, makes art. You can't claim that AIs are artists and also claim they don't make art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:28:05 2023 No.6987521 >>6987517 but it isn't the artist, it's the "artist".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:30:00 2023 No.6987523 >>6987521 Even referring to AI as "artists" insinuates that they make "art". /ic/ crabs also commonly refer to coomer art as "art", and they clearly belong on this board. Thus, AI art also belongs on this board as any human artist's "art" would.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:30:02 2023 No.6987524 >>6987516 it's irrelevant as it doesn't make users even less of frauds.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:30:14 2023 No.6987527 But can you do tumbrl style with AI?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:31:12 2023 No.6987531 >>6987523 thus you are a sophist faggot and it doesn't belong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:31:37 2023 No.6987532 >>6987524 nobody will care about your ethical dogshit and definitions when the quality becomes good enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:31:44 2023 No.6987534 >>6987523 Aifag has fallen to sematics? Sure, we can call ai imagers. Ai imagers create images comissioned by ai niggers, that works?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:33:56 2023 No.6987539 >>6987532 >he typed while wiping sweat from his brow. it not even about ethics, it's you wanting a status/title you have no claim to

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:34:40 2023 No.6987542

>>6987531
I don't think this is sophistry, I'm just using logic instead of emotion. Would you rather I just cherrypick random atrocious human "art" just to discredit human artists?
>>6987534
Yes. You can demean AI art all you want. I only want to argue that it belongs on this board. I'm glad you are agreeing with me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:34:55 2023 No.6987543 >>6987539 >it's you wanting a status/title you have no claim to ? no?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:35:08 2023 No.6987544 >>6987542 >I don't think this is sophistry it is

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:35:30 2023 No.6987546 >>6987542 >I'm glad you are agreeing with me. I'm not nigga, we are not the same, I wouldn't let you clean my shoes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:35:57 2023 No.6987549 >>6987544 I disagree. Care to elaborate on your argument? >>6987546 Then please explain your side of the argument more thoroughly so we can reach an optimal conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:36:52 2023 No.6987551 File: 232 KB, 512x768, sonichu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987476 >>6987426 >>6984665 It's ok drawsistas, the AI samefaces will never top our traditional art masterpieces!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:37:55 2023 No.6987554 >>6987549 >I disagree. Care to elaborate on your argument? nope, it's your usual routine and I won't entertain it any further. you'll try to run around in circles boiling down to the eternal "accept me please"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:39:14 2023 No.6987556 >>6987551 not fooling anyone

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:39:41 2023 No.6987558 >>6987549 >Then please explain your side of the argument more thoroughly so we can reach an optimal conclusion. I'm only here to shit on you retard

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:42:12 2023 No.6987563

>>6987554
You are just assuming.
I only want to receive a fair argument from an anti-ai artist's stance. Until I get one, I will continue asking for others to fairly participate in these discussions.
I do not want your acceptance. I merely want to find a satisfying conclusion to the "Is AI art allowed on /ic/" argument. Since a fair number of anti-ai artists do not want AI art at all on /ic/, even in threads researching a hybrid usage of AI.
>>6987558
Why would you want to do that? Seems like a waste of time, doesn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:43:34 2023 No.6987567 You are sad bunch.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Thu Dec 21 23:43:57 2023 No.6987569 >>6987563 they actually mean it. it's pointless to argue. save your breath for people who actually are worth arguing with, that's the conclusion i came to.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:46:19 2023 No.6987575

>>6987563
>satisfying conclusion to the "Is AI art allowed on /ic/" argument
nta. there isn't going to be one. you are going to come here. promote ai usage. get arguments. get called a faggot. rinse and repeat. if you expect anything else after all this time, idk what to tell you.
>one day-
sure

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:47:22 2023 No.6987578 >>6987563 Anti-AI artist crabbies have no arguments beyond "you're not a real artist!!!" lmao. It's a religious argument when you think about it, even if you're a better non AI artist than them the second you use AI it makes you a heretic.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:49:27 2023 No.6987581

>>6987575
I am not here to promote AI usage. That is simply a byproduct of going against the rhetoric that AI art should not be allowed on /ic/.
I do not expect a conclusion anytime soon. I am well aware of /ic/'s intense hatred for all things AI, but nevertheless I must pursue this, no matter how sisyphean it may seem.
It may come to a point where only advancements in the entire AI industry will force /ic/'s opinions to change, and my endeavors may be useless in comparison; but that is a future I am prepared for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:51:50 2023 No.6987586 >>6987581 >I must pursue this, no matter how sisyphean it may seem. Why?

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:59:48 2023 No.6987598

>>6987586
NTA but it's refreshing to see other /ic/tards that see the writing on the wall and are planning accordingly how to adapt, beyond the sea of delusional crabtards that are still in denial and cry "goyslop poojet two moar weekz!!!" despite the reality of the AI getting better at an exponential rate. The only AI that has gotten worse is Bing's DALL-E 3 but they kneecapped it ON PURPOSE because it was too good and costing MS a bundle.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:01:46 2023 No.6987601

>>6984652
I don't believe in intellectual property so I have no real problem with using AI besides it's just cheap and lazy, especially if you're an artist. It's the equivalent of a chef serving microwaved ready to eat slop at a fine dining restaurant, but to each their own I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:03:37 2023 No.6987605 >>6987598 How to adapt to what? Industry?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:06:13 2023 No.6987609 >>6987459 >"Computer, compose for me some industrial house music at 120bpm." >Reclines in armchair and rubs chin >"Truly I am an a talented musician."

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:06:30 2023 No.6987611

>>6987586
/ic/'s stance on AI art is just interesting me. It's bizarre to see boards like /g/ and /ic/ share a common site culture, but share polar opposite stances with AI. The invisible war between programmer archetypes and artist archetypes seems so childish and unnatural.
On boards like /v/ or /a/, stances on AI are split. Some posters will post AI images without a care, as indifferent as your usual wojak reaction image poster; while other posters will completely ignore the thread's topic and post ">ai slop" like a prepared reaction.

Anti-AI posts seem so artificial. It feels like a lot of anons are only against AI for political reasons instead of any actual reason.
Even if you were against AI, banning discussion of AI will simply make you more unprepared when AI actually becomes a true threat in the future. It's not like AI needs /ic/'s support to thrive anyways.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 00:06:38 2023 No.6987612 >>6987601 i semi believe in intellectual property but that is beside the point, because there is no IP being taken. or try to point to any of the examples itt and tell me what IP you think was taken.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:07:55 2023 No.6987614 >>6987611 >It's not like AI needs /ic/'s support to thrive anyways. Exactly, so take it back to g where it belongs

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:08:33 2023 No.6987616 >>6987614 AI art is both art and technology related. It belongs on both boards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:10:51 2023 No.6987621 >>6987563 >You are just assuming. I'm optimizing the conversation. much more efficient to call you a faggot and be done with it. you like optimizing, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:11:20 2023 No.6987622 >>6987616 >AI art is both art You transhumanist dorks are so annoying, go back to your indian board and worship your precious computer ya soulless faggot

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:12:57 2023 No.6987624

>>6987621
It's a pointless optimization. If you wanted to optimize in that manner, you wouldn't be responding to me and humoring me in the first place.
>>6987622
A bit uncalled for. Can you elaborate on your side of the argument so that I may understand your point of view a little more?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:13:03 2023 No.6987626 >>6987569 it's pointless because the only thing you do is argue with the objective to win, not develop or come to an understanding. now you're reduced to your own little echo chamber

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:14:41 2023 No.6987630 >>6987612 I'm honestly completely ignorant on how AI works but what I've heard people sperg about it is that it takes parts of existing artwork and merges it with other art through prompts. Either way, I don't really give a shit if that's true or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:14:48 2023 No.6987631 >>6987581 talk about a savior complex >>6987598 >call others crab >choses the easy way that makes sure he'll never have to learn

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:16:00 2023 No.6987632

>>6987624
>Can you elaborate on your side of the argument so that I may understand your point of view a little more?
It'd be a waste of time as you clearly don't value human effort/art. You think only in optimization and money, your view point on art in life is seemingly corrupted by silicon valley and its kike like rationalization of the world. Commission your AI to make all the doodles you want, you're the one who decided to opt out of the oldest form of human communication

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:16:20 2023 No.6987634 >>6987616 >AI art is not a thing unless the AI has suddenly developed sentience. you keep trying to feed people a flawed premise and argue based on it. it's just bad logic

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:17:58 2023 No.6987636 >>6987624 >It's a pointless optimization. it is a very energy-efficient optimization. you are down to a level of predictability it would be foolish not to resort to it.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 00:19:56 2023 No.6987638

>>6987626
lol. funny because that's exactly what i think about your side.
except some of you don't even do that and they literally just try to attack me in any way they can.

obviously the point of an argument is to come to an understanding. but it's not me that is unwilling to engage with the ideas of the other side.
it's you fags that constantly break the argument and end up screaming about me doing semantics! bad faith! etc, etc.

see it in action right here: >>6987630
this anon admits to not caring how it works and he doesn't want to care. he has a preformed opinion and sticks to it.

so basically AI is stealing and everything i say is just "bullshit". because of course AI is stealing.
and when i ask you how and what it is you think it is stealing, you'll say it doesn't matter, because it's obvious!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:21:11 2023 No.6987640 >>6987624 >the more pompous I type, the more intelligent I look that's really the aura you're trying to exhibit on a mongolian basket weaving forum?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:21:24 2023 No.6987641 File: 149 KB, 250x254, xUjg9eFRCjwANWb4t4P8QQgUiP1VqTNrVMbtBhCI2RBH6QFF8Cq2W5opRJg0kJ5XQInbaau8zySBOf0xr4mugRYXtfzmLY7N-0ZDmSWPAEM.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the level of samefagging ITT

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:22:42 2023 No.6987646 >>6987638 didn't read, you're the faggiest here

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:24:58 2023 No.6987647

>>6987631
>talk about a savior complex
I don't have a savior complex, I simply want to see AI freely discussed on /ic/, as AI art belongs on this board.
>>6987632
You are just assuming these things. I never once said I used AI to do anything. I'm simply trying to argue that discussion of AI art belongs on /ic/.
>>6987634
And what do you define as sentience? What's the bare minimum of sentience that a being needs to display for them to produce art?
>>6987636
No, I think it's pointless because you clearly do not like my posts, but are still replying to me regardless. Unless you actually do like my posts after all; in which case, do as you please. I will not try to ban you from replying, as any replies are welcome regardless of how low effort they are.
>>6987640
Many here are projecting their hate for AI onto me anyways, so it doesn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:25:52 2023 No.6987648 >>6987647 >I simply want to see AI freely discussed on /ic/ Consider the following cope lol lmao loser

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:26:30 2023 No.6987649
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>>6987638
Keep fighting the good fight, you have a rare intellectual curiosity that allows you to not be confined to a set of standard that turns you into a zealot unlike the general populous of this board that sticks its head inside a pit of sand whenever they're challenged with something unconventional to their dogmas. Oh and I decided to draw another little room inside that one "cosmic hole" you were helping me with the other day I can't thank you enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:28:05 2023 No.6987654 >>6987647 >I'm simply trying to argue that discussion of AI art belongs on /ic/. The discussion is quite clear, we dont like it, we dont accept it as art, and dont want it on the board. How much more discussion is there to be had?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:29:14 2023 No.6987656 >>6987649 you couldn't be funnier if you tried kek. it's so larpy it loops from feeling truthful and back to a funny parody of a compliment. doubly so considering you abysmal drawing skills

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 00:29:21 2023 No.6987657 >>6987649 good luck anon. i'm actuallyalso trying to give your challenge another shot with krita diffusion this time. i think it's doable if i create the layers step by step.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:29:47 2023 No.6987659 >>6987648 What exactly am I considering here? Please elaborate. >>6987654 I don't think you represent the entire board. However, your opinion is just as valid as any other's. Can you please elaborate further on why you don't accept AI art as art?

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 00:30:28 2023 No.6987660
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>>6987649
good luck anon.

i'm actuallyalso trying to give your challenge another shot with krita diffusion this time.
i think it's doable if i create the layers step by step.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:31:23 2023 No.6987663 File: 182 KB, 220x165, didnt-read-i-dont-care.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987647

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:32:10 2023 No.6987665 >>6987659 >Please elaborate. Cope seethe cry about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:32:34 2023 No.6987666 >>6987657 >>6987660 >i'm actuallyalso trying to give your challenge another shot Awesome, looking forward on seeing more content I don't think I've had this much fun from this board in a very long time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:32:43 2023 No.6987668 >>6987659 >Please elaborate. your homosexuality is blatant and your skills dubious

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:34:17 2023 No.6987672 >>6987663 >>6987665 >>6987668 Quite rude. Is this the extent of the arguments that the anti-ai side has to offer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:34:20 2023 No.6987673 >>6987666 probably because you spend more time lurking than drawing. work on your goddamn fundies

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:35:32 2023 No.6987675 >>6987672 Gonna cry?

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:36:03 2023 No.6987676
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>>6987660
>>6987666
Oh and in case you want to know where that eye ball came from it's from Ezekiel's vision of an angel with wheels within wheels you may search for the name Ophanim to get more examples.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:36:06 2023 No.6987677

>>6987659
>Why you dont accept AI art as Art?
Because its ultimately a game of telephone. A human painting a picture is different to a human telling an ai to paint a picture. To me theres nothing really valueable to gain from that on a personal level. Its boring and soulless to me. And humoring you here, lets say it ultimately does become to be seen as art, it is the AI model that is closer to being the artist than the one who commissions it. The way a director isnt seen as an Actor since he is not the one acting.

Though Im actually curious, like genuinely curious, how you think the mass implementation of AI is a good thing? Because i cant imagine looking at the state of the world and thinking "yeah lets give these rich kikes the power of unlimited generation of art, music, videos, mimicking of voices and faces" and not immediately think of the horrifying consequences that follows that

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:39:19 2023 No.6987679

>>6987677
>how you think the mass implementation of AI is a good thing
I don't, I am merely suggesting that allowing AI art discussion on /ic/ should be allowed. This opinion does not imply that I also believe in the mass implementation of AI.
I do however, believe the corporate exploitation of AI is inevitable, as AI is indeed a powerful tool; despite what many anti-AI posters want to believe. I don't believe banning AI discussion on /ic/ will do anything to stop the corporate takeover.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:40:46 2023 No.6987681 >>6987679 >AI art discussion on /ic/ should be allowed Retard what do you think you are doing right now? It is allowed, you are just a fucking crybaby egomaniac loser that wan't to be seen as an artist. You arent. You will never be one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:41:31 2023 No.6987684 >>6987557 I think point go some else to market yourself, you dumb fagget

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:43:18 2023 No.6987689

>>6987681
>It is allowed,
It is indeed. I am arguing that it should stay that way. I am merely disagreeing with the posters that are protesting towards the in-discriminant banning of all AI related posts.
>you are just a fucking crybaby egomaniac loser that wan't to be seen as an artist. You arent. You will never be one.
It doesn't matter what you think of me. I am the only person that knows what I am. I do things for myself, not for the appraise of others.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:43:43 2023 No.6987690

>>6987679
>I don't, I am merely suggesting that allowing AI art discussion on /ic/ should be allowed.
It is allowed clearly by the fact that your thread is still up. If anything its /g/ fags who came in and soured the perception of any meaninful discussion since it was entirely hostile from the beginning on their side.

Again, personally, i will never see it as art the same way i dont see abstract art as art. To me, art is an expression of a living soul, and with that expression it has to come a combination of applied skill (this doesnt mean you have to be van gogh, it just means that you yourself, are directly involved it its creation) and intention. Because ultimately it serves as a window into that persons soul. You could give two artist the same topic to draw, with the same pose, same art tools and direction, and the two will be very different because of they're two different people.

You give someone the same ai model and same prompts, and you get no discernable difference. no human element or intention

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:44:29 2023 No.6987692

>>6987673
>probably because you spend more time lurking than drawing
No, it's probably because this is one of the extremely rare times I posted my work in a general thread and it interacts with others by exchanging ideas and seeing different interpretations of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:45:22 2023 No.6987695 >>6987689 Oh ok you just have a victim complex and want someone to feel pity for you because there is a chance you will be banned on a board on 4chan You are pathetic I will not waste time on you anymore Also You will never be an artist, besitos

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:48:09 2023 No.6987698

>>6987689
To me your a shill who only value is shit because all your work you put into so far just seems like marketing to
>use AI
And most your works are only there to serve that purpose. Any other meaning there is superficial for how much you say you do it to "change minds"

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 00:48:33 2023 No.6987699

>>6987677
this kind of high mindedness feels good i'm sure. but it's ultimately meaningless.
i would even go as far as to say it is a toxic mindset. the kind of mindset that prevents people from using 3D models, "anything other than hard round brush".

really, it even prevented people like ME from using references and things like the transform tool. it's only after AI where i realized how none of it ever mattered. and it is only an ego driven pursuit of wanting to be seen as skilled.
and i say this as someone who is typically seen as skilled, even when i posted on /ic/ in the past.

look at any of the examples in the thread. i would say that all of them ultimatively follow my vision and direction. and if i finished them (where i would basically overpaint and clearly define most things), they would absolutely be mine.

but even for only the tech bros. it is still following their vision. just to a lesser extent.

this is something you'll only understand if you try it on your own. if you really try to make something specific and not just roll the dice.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:51:08 2023 No.6987704

I've seen the "workflows" of people deep in the AI sauce, flowcharts that fill a monitor ten times over, running the anime girl through the face-engoodener, the hand-engoodener, and so on
At some point in the process wouldn't it be easier to just draw? With practice it would take just as much time to get the nitty gritty right as rolling 50+ inpaints

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:52:13 2023 No.6987705 >>6987699 >if i finished them You didn't, so everything you just said is meaningless

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:52:48 2023 No.6987706 >>6987699 I swear tripfag if you made another thread reaching a 4,000 word count I'll prob have to get a text to speech video in order get through it. It's been 4 threads I've type this as well so that alone is gonna take nearly 2 hrs.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:53:45 2023 No.6987708

>>6987699
>this is something you'll only understand if you try it on your own.
I have tried it with the hopes that it wouldve been an actual tool, but to me it seemed like I hardly had any real input into the creation of it. I was merely watching someone else create the art and I providing feedback. As someone whose almost entirely traditional artist, it felt soulless and unappealing to me.

>Overpainting
Again this is where we disagree. Overpainting to me is ridiculous, the idea that you somehow take credit for a work that you merely did some touch ups to is ridiculous. itd be like an assitant of Odas or Kishimoto taking credit for their work because they inked a few panels. 3d sculpting is art because its clear that there is intention and applied skill, its not something someone can just type into a computer and get the same result as someone whose been doing it for years.

An ai art model however? Give them the same model/datasets and prompts and two will get damn near identitical results. The user is irrelevant, hence why its not art

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:53:55 2023 No.6987709 >>6985517 But still cheaper than art supplies amirite?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:54:14 2023 No.6987710 .

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:54:37 2023 No.6987711

The better AI gets, the less relevant it is to ic. At some point there will be AI that borders on sentient, using that to finish your work would be like having another artist do it. It feels like an alien entity doing it right now, though we know it's just math... But so are we. When do we call it real AI art and not "just a tool"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:55:26 2023 No.6987712 >>6987711 >When do we call it real AI art and not "just a tool"? When the grifters can stop making money off of it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:55:54 2023 No.6987713 >>6985517 Imagine being a paypig for a computer lmfao

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:56:21 2023 No.6987714

>>6987638
>see it in action right here
I'm engaging in good faith while being completely honest. It's just I don't care about intellectual property and how AI works, or AI in general. My issue against AI is that it's lazy and not a good use of an artist's ability, you're only cheating yourself by using it.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:58:36 2023 No.6987716

>>6987690
>If anything its /g/ fags who came in and soured the perception of any meaninful discussion since it was entirely hostile from the beginning on their side.
I think this is irrelevant. I don't think it's fair to lump in every pro-AI posters with the trolls who merely use AI to bait passionate anons on /ic/.
>it just means that you yourself, are directly involved it its creation) and intention
And what do you think of massive projects that require teams of people and many thousands of hours of work? Do you think a programmer can be an artist if they work on the project alongside musicians and asset creators? Do you think only conventional creators like those that make or draw assets directly can be considered artists?
Do you think programming is a work that cannot be considered art even if it can be used to create art or support art creation (i.e. writing shaders, generated primitives, or literal turtle art).
Is programming not art because programming feels complex and feels soulless?

And what about composing AI art into much larger projects? If I add AI art to an existing project that could once be considered art, would it become some non-art? If it is still art, what is the ratio of AI art to real art that has to be maintained?
In the same vein of using AI art to make larger pieces of art. Is building with legos art even if you didn't make the individual pieces? Is building with legos considered art only because the individual pieces are indistinct and cannot be considered art? If so, why or why wouldn't the composition of AI generated pieces be considered art or non-art?

Sorry for all the questions.
You don't have to reply to everything, but I do think the general "AI art is not art because art needs intention" argument falls apart because some artworks aren't just individual pieces of art and can be collaborative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:00:10 2023 No.6987717 >>6987698 >>6987695 I simply disagree. I have already said what my intentions are, I don't think I need to repeat it.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:01:21 2023 No.6987720

>>6987699
>the kind of mindset that prevents people from using 3D models
Tracing 3d is only passable for the top 99th percentile of artists, and they are at a skill threshold where they can do completely without it anyway. the rest are always stiff and lifeless and arrooksame, you can always tell. Just like you can always tell AI unless again, an actual professional artist is playing with the tool and uses clever tricks to hide it, and once again they are at a skill level where they can make professional work without it. You will never see this because you will never be an artist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:01:43 2023 No.6987721 >>6984652 >have you accepted /AI/ yet? you sound like a jehovah witness it's cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:04:24 2023 No.6987725 >>6987717 And yet you've doing this for months now. Fucking people making dogshit toddler videos prob have more a following than you >You'd be better in reddit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:04:38 2023 No.6987726 >>6987721 Techbros literally have a singularity cult and ai is their god

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:04:50 2023 No.6987728

>>6987716
>but I do think the general "AI art is not art because art needs intention" argument falls apart because some artworks aren't just individual pieces of art and can be collaborative.
No because if an entire group is working towards a cohesive vision, lets say they're making a Batman video game, its clear that they'll do everything in their power to intentionally recreate batmans world to immerse the player, correct? Its not like they'll suddendly add a polka band level because one artist was feeling into that week. Its a unified group with a unified vision. It remains art the only difference is that instead of it being the handy work of one artist, its many multiples of artist acting as one.

But again even in scenarios like that, roles are clearly demarcated, a director isnt giving the same title that as an artist, an artist isnt giving the same title or credit as a programmer, a programmer isnt credited or giving the title as a composer, etc etc. You can use AI to generate an image, just dont be surprised when people dont see you as the artist

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:05:27 2023 No.6987729 >>6987725 Yea, I've been posting on /ic/ for a while like many anons are doing so. Are you saying you've only been on /ic/ for less than a few months?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:05:37 2023 No.6987731 >>6987720 Have you seen midjourney version 6? It just came out and gave me a little shock. Took some time before I started to pick up on the new ai patterns.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:06:32 2023 No.6987732

Gonna post again on a different concern I have
I think my biggest issue with ai doesn't have much to do with whether or not it's art because art is too abstract and subjective a concept. However, I do think the issue lies more in the usage of the works of other artists without permission, especially since artists were never treated that well in the first place.
I also feel like there's vaguely something wrong with how one can essentially generate good artwork using the efforts of artists who've put a lot of time to put into improving themselves with little skill or effort. This is subjective, but may turn art also into a more 'instant gratification' activity. Some art is about skill expression, and I'd argue most ai art is in the category of trying to replicate that 'skill expression ' category of art rather than anything abstract or subjective. To take the skill expression of art and essentially both lower (easier point of entry) and raise the bar (a newer ai artist is probably going to have an easier time producing a visually appealing work vs a newer traditional artist).
There's also effort seemingly being spent on replacing a group of people in an industry that isn't really in a Dire need of being replaced and will likely result in artists having to turn to more mundane work to support themselves.

I don't think there's any strong reason to say ai art isn't art, unless you buy into the idea of a soul, which I don't think exists. I also think when you restrict the idea of art you risk restricting other ideas of art when art has always been a very subjective and abstract concept..

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:06:46 2023 No.6987733

>>6987721
>you sound like a jehovah witness it's cringe
They're unironically transhumanist anon. They have this insane vision where singularity will not only free them from economic strife but somehow preserve man into the future (Ignoring the fact that you'd be abandoning its very concept). To them their ushering of the singularity is the some ultimate good

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 01:07:11 2023 No.6987735
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>>6987698
he's not me anon. you tard.
as for me, i AM trying to show AI off.
because truthfully, i want artists better than me to pick this up and find better workflows and develop this field more. (now that i think about it, this is the real reason for my actions here)
but most artists in general are discouraged thanks to the lies that anti-tards tell them.

>>6987705
no point in finishing them. they're just proof of concepts started with very haphazard starting sketches. it's more about trying to see what can be done than the art itself.
let's be real here. you're just intellectually dishonest when you say i have to finish them for you to see the point. i don't need to finish >>6985836 for you to be able to tell.

but hey, like i said, i don't care about convincing you dishonest fucks anymore. if i show more of what AI can be used for, people will naturally grow curious.

>>6987714
that's fair enough.
you can learn from it i think. these generations sometimes can be like literal redlines.

>>6987720
so what? according to you, it's still "cheating" when they use it, no? except you let it go in their case.
why? because they're good. and their results are good. and their results would be good even without it. and yet they still use it. they "cheat".
AI will be like that as well.
/home/tat/Videos/Screencasts/hogan.webm

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:10:35 2023 No.6987740 >>6987516 You do know it's projected to get worse after it hits a certain curve right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:10:40 2023 No.6987741 >>6987735 you will never be an artist

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:11:24 2023 No.6987743

>>6987729
You know anon I could say ya but at same time I've known you've stated about creating the anime studies general. Honestly though were you the reason about not having asian genes become meme as well.
I could ask how long you been here and yet still have jackshit to show but I staying here truly a sign of being NGMI

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:11:52 2023 No.6987744 >>6987731 >.20 cents

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:12:44 2023 No.6987747

>>6987728
>Its not like they'll suddendly add a polka band level because one artist was feeling into that week.
That's not too wild of a scenario. Remember the cow level in Diablo 2?
Game easter eggs also exist, and I think they're the most representative of individual artistic freedom. Going against the grain is just as important to art as staying with the vision.
>But again even in scenarios like that, roles are clearly demarcated
Solo projects do exist as well. What if you're attempting to take on the roles of an entire team? Does your project become non-art if you use music made by somebody else, or music with no artist like nature sounds?
Why would taking photographs of real objects and human-made structures and modifying them for usage as textures be considered acceptable, but modifying AI images for usage as textures is the one artist taboo?

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:14:07 2023 No.6987748

>>6987735
>so what? according to you, it's still "cheating" when they use it, no? except you let it go in their case.
>why? because they're good. and their results are good. and their results would be good even without it. and yet they still use it. they "cheat".
>AI will be like that as well.
>/home/tat/Videos/Screencasts/hogan.webm
3d is and always will be shit and always has been trashed on here you clearly have no idea where you are fag

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:14:23 2023 No.6987749

>>6984653
ngl op and bottom right looks nice, i might do this myself to churn out more comms. i’ll still practice fundies to better myself personally though. my biggest gripe with ai is that i see a lot of genuinely mediocre artists start relying on ai, or 3d models, etc, as a crutch, and the end result doesn’t look good. like you can tell they don’t understand what they’re tracing. i feel like it’d be better to learn how to draw on your own first and develop draftsmanship and only use ai for stuff that requires rigorous work or quick deadlines. otherwise it feels like you’re cheating yourself out of the learning process

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:17:00 2023 No.6987752

>>6987747
>Does your project become non-art if you use music made by somebody else
Made by someone else is very different than made by an AI. regardless of the two, you will not be seen as the musician/composer in either scenario? apply that to every other application of ai in a grander project

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:19:44 2023 No.6987753 >>6987741 Holy cope lmao. Even if you remove the AI part of his video that nigga ain't no amateur, he's likely a better artist than you. pyw so I can laugh at your poorly copied Loomis heads.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:20:21 2023 No.6987755 >>6987747 >Does your project become non-art It becomes lesser which really puts into perspective why aifags are okay with it. Because you are a mediocrity

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:21:29 2023 No.6987758 >>6987753 Yeah but why did you feel the need to samefag? YWNBAA btw

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:22:44 2023 No.6987761 >>6987748 >3d is and always will be shit and always has been trashed Could you tell me why? I'm just a tourist, curious

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:22:48 2023 No.6987762

>>6987743
>You know anon I could say ya but at same time I've known you've stated about creating the anime studies general.
I'm not the tripfag. It's pretty amusing how anons confuse me for him despite me not even trying to mimic his posting styles.
My posts are purposely made in a very technical writing style so it should be easy to tell the difference.
>>6987752
>regardless of the two, you will not be seen as the musician/composer in either scenario?
So the greater piece would still be considered art, regardless of if you substitute part of the work? The sole developer of a game would still be considered the developer, even if they didn't create every asset.
If this is the case, would compositions that contain AI art and human art be considered art, and therefore welcome on /ic/?
>>6987755
I don't understand your point. Please elaborate.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:23:20 2023 No.6987763
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>>6987731
>Midjourney 6 has god tier prompt comprehension
>NAI v3 is the best cooms generator ever, can perfectly emulate any jap artist and doesn't fucks up hands and feet
>Q* might be even better than all AIs combined
.SDXL is becoming the standard
>DALL-E 3 got seriously downgraded but it's still better than most

We eatin good, AI-CHADS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:24:25 2023 No.6987764 When are these trannyhumanists finally going to heavens gate themselves?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:25:43 2023 No.6987766 >>6987762 >Please elaborate Elaborate your reading comprehension braindead ainigger

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:27:36 2023 No.6987767 >>6987766 That's simply uncalled for. Why are you so angry?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:28:23 2023 No.6987770 >>6987767 Kill yourself

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 01:30:00 2023 No.6987773 File: 132 KB, 245x328, 1677028153451249.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw when reading anti-AI posts. that's it for now, see you tomorrow

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:31:32 2023 No.6987776

>>6987762
>So the greater piece would still be considered art, regardless of if you substitute part of the work?
Think of it this way, in a hypothetical scenario, if someone where to make a game about exploring an alien planet. And they made all the assets but only used AI to generate the sounds the animals on that planet then there might be an arguement for it being an artful implementation of it since its ultimately a very very small part of a greator sum (Though still a human finding creative ways outside of that would still be more fascinating imo)

>therefore welcomed on /ic/
No. we are largely interested in art made by humans. I dont understand why thats so difficult for you to understand? If you want it to be discussed with anythin outside of hatred, take it to some reddit group or back on /g/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:31:44 2023 No.6987777 >>6987773 yes, keep plugging those eardrums. next thread is sure to get you accepted!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:32:13 2023 No.6987779 its really sad to still see this much seething from le arTISTs good job fellow aifag we just keep winning

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:33:22 2023 No.6987780 >art made by humans you understand, anon, a human needs to instruct the ai or else it does nothing. you realize ai is not sentient, right?

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:34:46 2023 No.6987783

>>6987776
>I dont understand why thats so difficult for you to understand?
simple, he has given up learning and sees this as his road to relevancy at last while deluding himself into believing he's just removing busywork (that he doesn't know how to do to begin with)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:34:59 2023 No.6987784 >>6987780 you're irrelevant to your own ai model as anything with the same data set and prompts will get similar results. you are a non factor in the creation of its image

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:35:55 2023 No.6987785 >>6987780 we've been other this. you're a fag

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:35:59 2023 No.6987786

>>6987776
>there might be an arguement for it being an artful implementation of it since its ultimately a very very small part of a greator sum
So there must be a more significant ratio of apparent human involvement in an art piece compared to an AI's involvement? Just provide more value than the value you receive from your tools?
>If you want it to be discussed with anythin outside of hatred,
That's exactly why I want to discuss AI art on /ic/. It's an unnatural amount of hatred. Most of /ic/ just responds to with name-calling, which doesn't seem like a healthy response to such a topic, even if you hate it.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:36:13 2023 No.6987787

Remember friends, /ic/ jannies seeth at the idea of someone using ai - so never claim your own pieces :)

>>6987784
if that were true, then id be unable to tell individual anons gens apart. once you see enough you can start to tell anons apart.
>you are a non factor
LOL

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:38:37 2023 No.6987792 >>6987786 look at you and you faggy fake concern+acting all candid. we take this shortcut now because your ilk has outstayed its welcome due to spammy behavior.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:38:59 2023 No.6987793 >>6987786 >Most of /ic/ just responds to with name-calling this only fuels me. we've already won.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:39:47 2023 No.6987794 >>6987787 >please acknowledge me daddy

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:40:59 2023 No.6987795

>>6987786
>So there must be a more significant ratio of apparent human involvement in an art piece compared to an AI's involvement?
Yes. The same way if you were to apply to anything else anon.
Ex:
A track star running a race
a track star running a race with an exosuit
a track star running a race using a car (no longer is a track star and is now a driver)

its the same sentiment with art, there is a demarcation line where the use of AI causes you to stop being the artist. What that level is is clearly subjective but i think ultimately if your work is more ai than human, than you have your answer

>>6987787
>if that were true, then id be unable to tell individual anons gens apart. once you see enough you can start to tell anons apart.
LOL, want to test that out? Pick a public website ai and we can run the same prompts with the same seed and same datasets and lets see how different of an outcome we get

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:41:11 2023 No.6987796 >>6987793 lazy bait bro

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:41:25 2023 No.6987797

>>6987732
>However, I do think the issue lies more in the usage of the works of other artists without permission, especially since artists were never treated that well in the first place.
paraphrased from android jones: I've never been able to enjoy an experience making AI images, these models are made out of people... it's like eating onions green while knowing it's people, like I'm eating my friends when I do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:42:27 2023 No.6987800 >>6987797 *fucking filter... s/mh desu s/oylent green!

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:43:42 2023 No.6987802

>>6987795
>LOL, want to test that out?
you missed my point anon, if one were a non factor then i'd be unable to tell whos who just by looking at the gen.
>use the same prompt, model, etc
do you know what seeds are? good luck getting exactly the same image even on the same web service.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:43:50 2023 No.6987803 >>6987692 people don't engage with your art because it's mediocre. work.on.it. your issue isn't idea but piss poor skill development

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:45:23 2023 No.6987805 >>6987786 >Most of /ic/ just responds to with name-calling in terms of numbers, trip has done the most name calling of anyone here...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:45:31 2023 No.6987807 >>6987802 moved the goalpost

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 01:45:56 2023 No.6987808 File: 317 KB, 771x537, 1688919038768369.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6987777 my ears are fine, thankyouverymuch

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:46:42 2023 No.6987810 >>6987805 in terms of hurting the ai cause tripnigger has done the most damage

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:47:04 2023 No.6987811 >>6987807 >moved the goalpost >youre stealing from reel artists >well, its still not your art >it doesnt even look like anything >it cant even do hands >it cant even do text >.... kekd hard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:47:38 2023 No.6987812 >>6987802 So you dont want to test it out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:48:16 2023 No.6987814 >>6987808 ah damn you're just either too dumb or autistic then as well as being a poor draftsman. truly tragic

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:48:51 2023 No.6987815

>>6987795
>What that level is is clearly subjective but i think ultimately if your work is more ai than human, than you have your answer
I also agree.
I believe there are a lot of artists that are experimenting hybrid AI workflows, but use their actual artist skills to overshadow the common AI tells. They just seem very rare because the imposters are instantly outed as taboo breakers and ostracized.
In the end, I think the taboo isn't going to result in AI art being killed. It's just going to result in two giant communities going against each other until one of them gets consumed. And I doubt it's going to be the anti-ai community.
Eventually, trad art is going to be the only human art that survives.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:49:01 2023 No.6987816 >>6987810 What "AI cause"? Are you retarded? That's like calling early 20th century traveling film shows "hurting the wicked moving pictures cause".

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:49:01 2023 No.6987817 >>6987808 No, you got the helical crus wrong. it doesn't attach to the tragus, it should swing back to meld with the concha.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:49:55 2023 No.6987819 >>6987811 yes, yes, yes, yes and kinda. and you still moved it

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:49:57 2023 No.6987820

>>6987812
if you have even a basic understanding of how imggen works, youd realize this wont work unless the web service also lets you choose seed which very few actually do. even if we did, you're point is moot. just because YOU cant see the human behind the gen, doesnt mean its not there or others cannot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:50:37 2023 No.6987822 >>6987816 trips cause, to have it accepted on ic

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:51:02 2023 No.6987823 >>6987815 As a traditional artist, i think the threat of AI as a whole subsumes humanity, which is ultimately my true objection of it. a facet of the transhumanist pushing it. But thats a debate for another time

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:52:20 2023 No.6987825 >>6987816 funny your dense ass would ask. I refer you to your crying about lack of genuine discourse. thank tripnigger for it and fuck you for nit-picking words like an autist...but then again it's all aifags can do

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:52:22 2023 No.6987826 other board imggen generals >compliments left and right >constructive criticism >sharing of techniques and strategies to make better art /ic/ ai generals >FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU no wonder people hate this board

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:53:01 2023 No.6987827 >>6987826 >no wonder people hate this board so when ya leaving?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:53:15 2023 No.6987828 >>6987823 Then unrestricted capitalism is your only threat. AI art is only a diversion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:53:34 2023 No.6987829 >>6987826 >people >implying AIpajeets are people FUCK YOU ;)

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:53:36 2023 No.6987830 Give me one reason why AI is bad that doesn't just boil down to "computers have no soul" Hint: you can't

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 01:53:36 2023 No.6987831
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>>6987817
listen nerd, i was sketching it more or less like this. it's probably still wrong but i get the gist of how ears work alright.
also it's supposed to be an oversized ear anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:54:13 2023 No.6987833 >>6987815 ai breaks workflow. using it for getting initial ideas isn't really part of the creation workflow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:55:14 2023 No.6987835 >>6987826 >>sharing of techniques and strategies to make better art lol kek lmafo

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 01:55:22 2023 No.6987836

>>6987826
>>compliments left and right
>>constructive criticism
>>sharing of techniques and strategies to make better art
really? what the fuck? maybe i should look into them. i know hdg has some pretty knowledgeable people in it.
ic's could be so much more intersting, since we have people who can draw.
but instead it's just arguing with tards non stop.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:55:38 2023 No.6987837

>>6987828
It doesnt matter which economic model its implemented in because the damage isnt only economic. Even in a communist society for example, the idea that identity and truth becomes subjective because the power of ai becomes common place enough to flood the world with fabricated data (i.e deep fakes, voice ai, ai thats mimic peoples writing styles etc) is far more dangerous and disruptive to a society than just a few artists losing their jobs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:56:01 2023 No.6987838 >>6987829 i was warned long before ai about how many crabs inhabit this board

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:56:36 2023 No.6987839

>>6987822
That's not up to him or you, this board is ARTWORK critique, and AI art is art, period. Unless the mods rule out that this board is for non-AI artwork critique.

>>6987826
Most /ic/tards are salty because let's face it, the AI makes them look way worse than skilled non-AI artists did, so it's just rubbing salt in their already wounded ego. I was salty too but I started embracing the tech and I'm using it to great effect.

>>6987833
Wrong. I use it to visualize what my finished art would look like before wasting several hours on a bad composition.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:58:02 2023 No.6987841

>>6987833
I think it's decent enough to render on top of a proper lineart framework that you can then further edit or re-introduce into the
AI. 3D-fags have begged AI programmers to make texturing and re-topology easier for decades. I feel like it's the same case for some people who don't like the tediousness of rendering but just want to sketch something from their imagination.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:58:14 2023 No.6987842 >>6987838 there's like 10 crabs. but they are persistent. nobody crabs me(too good?), I am an anti-crab(do detailed critique/paintovers/redlines etc).

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:59:15 2023 No.6987843

>>6987837
>power of ai becomes common place enough to flood the world with fabricated data (i.e deep fakes, voice ai, ai thats mimic peoples writing styles etc) is far more dangerous and disruptive to a society than just a few artists losing their jobs.
Only because unrestrained capitalism already crippled our society beyond recognition. Introducing ai deepfakes wouldn't be a problem in communities where everybody trusted, knew, and cared for each other.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:59:37 2023 No.6987844 >>6987830 it stunt your artistic growth and disincentivizes learning specific skills that are part of the illustrative process. similar cases have arisen with other technologies in the arts before. protip: take the L

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:00:29 2023 No.6987845

>>6987843
>wouldn't be a problem in communities where everybody trusted, knew, and cared for each other.
This kind of tech wouldnt exist in those kinds of communities. Why do you think all the people on the forefront of this come from low trust societies?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:00:43 2023 No.6987847 >>6987841 it's not yours as soon as it gets rendered

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:02:20 2023 No.6987849 >>6987847 That is merely an artifact of the ego. What you possess is what you claim to possess, and nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:02:29 2023 No.6987850 >>6987841 >3D-fags have begged AI programmers to make texturing and re-topology easier for decades. We will have full 3d generation AI on par with pros before AI can do nice repo and uvmapping for your own models...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:03:43 2023 No.6987852 >>6987849 your post is merely copium

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:04:08 2023 No.6987853 >>6987843 >Introducing ai deepfakes wouldn't be a problem in communities where everybody trusted, knew, and cared for each other. I see you haven't watch The Hunt with mads mikkleson...

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:12:20 2023 No.6987865

let me predict the next thread: OP will post trying to ignore everything, the same 1-3 crabs will jerk each other for their enlightened pro-ai opinion, all of them will be deservedly be called fags and no change will be attained. OP will still be a mediocre draftsman using a crutch and mikufag a beg unwilling to do any legwork

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:17:52 2023 No.6987871 >>6987845 >This kind of tech wouldnt exist in those kinds of communities. Why not? People want to cure cancer, disease, hunger, freak accidents, etc. These are monstrous challenges that need GAI to solve.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 02:21:59 2023 No.6987876

>>6987708
you're not overpainting something random. see >>6987338
in all those cases, it is your idea in the first place. your lines. and during generation, you keep guiding the AI towards your vision.

don't get me wrong, it IS making some choices for you. even some skilled choices like color and value picks or anatomical details. but those are only suggestions. you have to realize that you get the final say. and that's also the mindset with which you overpaint.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:23:17 2023 No.6987877

>>6987871
>People want to cure cancer, disease, hunger, freak accidents,
In what way does deep fakes. voice ais, image generators, nudify apps,etc do any of that? Because we live in a low trust society is the reason the aforementioned tech exists. GAI may in theory accomplish curing cancer and disease and hunger, but as someone whose more pragmatic than idealist, to me it just seems like you're handing a nuke to people whove already consolidated that power in all those fields. None of which have shown to have the mindset to achieve that and if anything have shown to be hostile towards that idea. To me, the idealism that people who advocate for AI is being used against them to lure them to a slaughterhouse of unimagineable horrors

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:24:10 2023 No.6987880 >>6987871 >People want to cure cancer, disease, hunger, freak accidents, etc where is the exploitation in those uses?

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:27:42 2023 No.6987888

>>6987877
>In what way does deep fakes. voice ais, image generators, nudify apps,etc do any of that?
Scientific discoveries benefited from coincidence throughout human history. It's not much of a stretch to assume voice ais and image generator ais may lead up to some butterfly effect towards the discovery of GAI. The interest in these fields promotes general interest and research in AI.

Nudify apps and deep fakes are just side effects of consumerist cultures.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 02:29:27 2023 No.6987890

>>6985700
that's just one extreme. how can you look at any of my examples and think that i didn't basically decide on the majority of what the image should look like? especially with
>>6987463
>>6987496
and ESPECIALLY after this step. >>6987506 where i lay my original lines on top. after which i correct it by overpainting.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:36:38 2023 No.6987897

>>6987888
>Nudify apps and deep fakes are just side effects of consumerist cultures.
No they're a side effect of low trust cultures because these are techs that are highly invasive to what it means to be human.

We will live to see people generate nude images of other peoples kids that they know or govs using the identity/voice of dead people to push propaganda. The pursuit of cure of cancer via AI will lead to terrorists being able to print DNA strands in their basement that allow them to unleash horrifying attacks.

Big company structures like Big pharma will be incentivized with the use of this to seek capital in more immoral ways (Oh but what if we switch to a communist government?) then we will see lifetime dictators snuff out distent before its a fully formed thought.The military implentations of this will be disastrous

To me, and again we can agree to disagree at this point, but none of this seems appealing to me. It is a horrifying and hostile future to humanity as a whole. Which is why im against the encouragement of AI tech

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:37:41 2023 No.6987898
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>>6987849
The more you use the word ego. The more would assume your some curry nigga because you love using that word like it suppose to mean something.
And doing or showing art generally can be seen as an ego thing so what do you really have the say if you can't show yourself.
>just be someone else
>you'll never make it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9g-DT7hPU&pp=ygUgbG93IHRpZXIgZ29kIHlvdSBzaG91bGQga3lzIHNvbWc%3D

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:43:32 2023 No.6987905 >>6987898 >The more you use the word ego. The more would assume your some curry nigga because you love using that word like it suppose to mean something. I've noticed this too. What does he mean by it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:46:35 2023 No.6987911 >>6987898 Art just has no value beyond what it means to you. Making art just to show it to others is sinful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 02:49:02 2023 No.6987914 >>6987911 So then do you just come here to bitch then

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>>6987876
TRIPFAGGOT YOU COMPULSIVE LYING MUTANT YOU CANT EVEN KEEP YOUR WORD ABOUT >>6987773 GOING TO SLEEP FOR THE SECOND TIME NOW TAKE YOUR FUCKING MEDICATION IMMEDIATELY AND GET THE FUCK OFF THE BOARD!!!!! ART IS LOOKING MIGHTY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT NOW IF YOU COULD REFER TO MY PHOTO ATTACHED

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 03:21:34 2023 No.6987948 >>6987936 Dobson, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 05:16:58 2023 No.6988013 >>6987394 >>6987402 AI trannie lost his/her mind. You will never be a real artist

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 07:11:20 2023 No.6988086 >>6987740 why? are you talking about that retarded cope where AI gets worse because it's trained on AI? newer models are trained on aishit and even get it tagged and it's fine. cope more

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 07:20:43 2023 No.6988088 File: 2.21 MB, 816x1456, mj.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] midjourney is the only one that's remotely decent which is a shame because ai retards insist to spam the garbage that is stable diffusion and dalle

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 07:35:40 2023 No.6988099 >>6987844 >similar cases have arisen with other technologies in the arts before. such as?

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 07:44:53 2023 No.6988103
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>>6988088
Does Midjourney V6 pass the cat test?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 09:40:35 2023 No.6988177 Theft. You're all thieves.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 13:14:41 2023 No.6988309
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>>6987676
eh this is pretty hard. i feel like part of it is just i'm a bit too reserved when working with other people's ideas. not even sure if i'm out of the idea finding stage yet.
i might revisit this every now and then though to see what i can do better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:04:09 2023 No.6988491 >>6987844 >it stunt drawfags be like

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:05:17 2023 No.6988492 File: 68 KB, 513x600, Pablo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988177 Yes, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:07:21 2023 No.6988494 I'm not reading all this shit but >literally like what one and a half year later >still ends up with alien looking hands i'm out

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:10:23 2023 No.6988496 File: 212 KB, 1024x1024, 6e0badff51de.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988494 It's a lot better than before though, you gotta admit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:13:39 2023 No.6988499 File: 351 KB, 512x768, 756749396.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988088 MJ is aesthetically pleasing but Dalle3 is much more sophisticated at following text prompts. Stable Diffusion is completely free and open source, can't beat that.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:25:50 2023 No.6988506

>>6988496
no, i don't gotta admit shit. a while back i actually tried doing exactly what the op of this thread in his infinite wisdom advocates we should all do and let me tell you it's the worst, most annoying, insufferably bad "art making" experience i've ever underwent. it only loosely follows your sketch unless you pump the weight to absurd amounts, at which point the coloring and the little logical sense the output may have contained after being regurgitated by sd is irreparably fucked; as a result there is, and there can't be, consistency in characters, as for that you would normally use a lora, which can not exist for a character residing only in your imagination
there is zero and i repeat zero use cases for this garbage at present, except posting uninteresting how-to-draw-anime characters doing fuck-all in nonsensical locations without, and this bit here is important, without any interconnectedness between the pictures. they CANNOT be a part of any continuous narrative as the advocates clearly demonstrate if you'd go back and pay attention
tl;dr no

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:34:13 2023 No.6988519 >>6988506 and this is all clearly excepting the intrinsic value all art obviously and evidently has and only considering the extrinsic aka "the final product" as is the case with some of you dumbass apes

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:37:03 2023 No.6988525 File: 234 KB, 568x330, 13298801234.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988506 I'm sorry to say, but it sounds like a skill issue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:38:19 2023 No.6988527 >>6988525 i'm sorry to say, but you have zero reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:40:24 2023 No.6988529 File: 135 KB, 1024x1024, b187712a743f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988527 Maybe, maybe. Sounded to me like you tried your best but weren't very good at it, oh well it's not for everybody.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:41:14 2023 No.6988530 >>6988529 and sounds to me like you only read half my post before you attention span went out like a candle

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:42:53 2023 No.6988532 File: 139 KB, 1024x1024, 37b0e4dbda85.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988530 I probably read less than half if I gotta be honest, just sorta skimmed it. Summarize it for me in 15 words or less and I'll read it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:50:56 2023 No.6988537 >>6988532 the real skill issue is how irritated i get every single fucking time i even try to interact with you despicable retards instead of ignoring you like a normal person would

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 17:57:51 2023 No.6988545 File: 147 KB, 1024x1024, 82f7bfa08af3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6988537 Yeah, you gotta be pretty fucking stupid to expect a reasonable interaction on 4chan.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 18:41:08 2023 No.6988591

>>6988309
>machine does all of the work.
>Oh jeez guys this is really hard and I'm shy, lol.

God you're fucking insufferable.

>>6988492
I don't think picasso was implying using a automated plagiarism machine like generative AI. I guarantee he'd have a problem with it if he were alive today and people were spamming slop trained on his work. There's a clear difference and either you don't understand or you're willfully unethical.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 18:44:45 2023 No.6988596 >>6988591 Please never speak for Picasso, you will never have 0.1% of his talent.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:11:09 2023 No.6988633

>>6988099
the use of cgi for special effect worsening directing skills, use of 3d cameras for animation, use of animation softwares overall making planning skills worse, same with the use of 3d models in drawing softwares. I'm sure you thought "nu-uh" but fact is it has and it will with the use of AI
>inb4 "those weren't as complex!"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:14:37 2023 No.6988639 >>6987496 >everyone who disagrees with me is a retard a guide to tripfag's way of swallowing your own bs

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:15:01 2023 No.6988641 >>6988633 Books lead to worse memory skills, the important thing is the pros outweigh the cons.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:19:06 2023 No.6988645

>>6988641
>Books lead to worse memory skills
actually they don't, use of tablets and google on the other hand...
>he important thing is the pros outweigh the cons.
>pros
you "finish" """something""" faster
>cons
you skip learning key skills. it goes beyond skipping busywork

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:22:20 2023 No.6988649 >>6987876 sorry, all I read is coping from you trying to convince yourself the so-called work you claim as yours has any legitimacy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:34:40 2023 No.6988660 >>6988645 They do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:47:27 2023 No.6988671 we should stop replying to nogens. even me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:49:41 2023 No.6988673 >ai does all the work >when i tried it, it sucked sounds like you... didn't put enough work into it heh

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 20:06:12 2023 No.6988695 >>6984653 where's the fun in just letting the computer do everything? aren't we as men meant to create art with our own body and mind?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 20:14:50 2023 No.6988696 >>6988695 Just don't do that.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 21:23:38 2023 No.6988760

>>6988591
>machine does all the work
that's just your assumption. because this is all magic to you.

>>6988506
there's an easy way to confirm this: let me try what you tried to do. that's what the thread is for.
i agree that this isn't simple at all. if you imagine it as a one-shot "just put it in the machine lol" then none of this will work.
of course it also depends on what you were trying to do.

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 22:48:37 2023 No.6988821

>>6988760
NTA but tripfag I find you to be a parroting fagget with nothing of value to say and the fact you keep repeating certain things other anons told you back. I wonder how useful you'll be anyone be to anyone that not you shilling or them hearing the same shit again they've said

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Fri Dec 22 23:06:45 2023 No.6988836 >>6988821 learn english and then try again. what are you even saying? what am i apparently repeating from other anons??

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 00:38:16 2023 No.6988926 >6988836 Pretty sure English isn't even your first language and I can't be bothered checking Grammer phone posting on your gay ass threads. >Though you'll respond anyways

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Dec 23 00:56:16 2023 No.6988955
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some more random experiments.
the krita plugin is not as versatile as having the full suite of stuff. but the integration makes it quite a bit better in other ways... because a lot of it is just wrangling the AI to try to get it to understand what you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 01:35:53 2023 No.6988992 >6988955 whomst you trying to respond to retarded ass tripfag

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