/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[The oc discussion thread No.6979686]

Post characters for discussion, critique, or share resources on character design/ worldbuilding.

----Rules----

1. This is exclusively for sharing and critiquing designs, lore, and writing of characters and worlds.

2. Art trades should be directed to OC redraws. Do not post work expecting fills and do not draw characters in the hopes of getting returns.

3. If you are going to ask for critique, post critique. Make it actionable and constructive, as in fixes to shape, color, or other design/lore elements.

4. This thread is NOT associated with any discord servers, and never will be. Any person shilling a "official" or "unofficial" discord server should be ignored.


------Resources-----

Character Design
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ykYqkZ1MBiE[Open]

https://archive.org/details/pdfcoffee.com_21draw-character-designer-ebook-pdf-free

https://www.21-draw.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-Character-Designer-ebook-2019-SAMPLE-21-Draw.pdf

https://www.waltdisney.org/sites/default/files/2020-04/T%26T_ShapeLang_v9.pdf

Anatomy stuff
https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Drawing%20the%20Head%20and%20Hands.pdf

https://illustrationage.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/andrew-loomis-figure-drawing-for-all-its-worth.pdf

https://youtu.be/djHcqOjAaoY?si=FeUVLCL4dgU7e4Qi

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-72f-FzW7wYN_r0ny

Writing / World building
https://www.writersedit.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/PDFTheUltimateGuideToWorld-Building.pdf

https://www.fcusd.org/cms/lib/CA01001934/Centricity/Domain/3762/Stephen%20King%20On%20Writing.pdf

https://www.kmweiland.com/wp-content/uploads/crafting-unforgettable-characters.pdf

https://youtu.be/cnrlqIlb5FY?si=4H7555fycARkNQIr


Rendering/ Coloring

https://archive.org/download/elementsofpenand00scrauoft/elementsofpenand00scrauoft.pdf

https://youtu.be/V_E1ARR_AAg?si=Vsp0JwPTQDmxm8Xz[Open]

https://www.irenebrination.com/files/johannes-ittens_theartofcolor.pdf

May this new thread live long

[Anonymous No.6979689]

>>6979686
We are back oc discussion bros

[Anonymous No.6980172]

Wanted to draw someone evil

[Anonymous No.6980185]

>>6980172
This is very nice anon, I can only dream to make faces half as appealing as yours.
If you don't mind me asking, how'd you get to the level where your at now?

[Anonymous No.6980188]

>>6980185
You're gonna hate me for this but unironically I just drew a lot, on and off over the years when things got busy with classes and work etc but a lot of doodles and years of making up characters.

For drawing heads one thing that sorta helped me push pretty far ahead of where I was this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

[Anonymous No.6980195]

>>6980188
>You're gonna hate me for this but unironically I just drew a lot
I understand, but by drawing did you study/copy your favorites then try drawing your own stuff?

Also thanks for the video, I've been struggling with heads

[Anonymous No.6980196]

>>6980195
https://youtu.be/EefqA7epQzk

[Anonymous No.6980265]

>>6980195
The thing is, this was just my path but I never really got into drawing fanart or other characters very much, I've mostly done copies of human photography rather than other artwork. Nothing wrong with fanart and I believe your drawing skill is just the combination of what you practice every day so if you only practice anime heads you'll get better at those no doubt but I think fundamentals and creating your own shortcuts and abstractions will always be more honest and lead to better work than copying the simplifications that other people have done. I have done a few style copy challenges though but never a 1 to 1 mostly just seeing if I can create x character in someone elses style to see if I can bring both things together and add to my tool belt. The main thing I'd do is draw things you enjoy and separate study/improvement time from just fun drawing/doodling time. If you struggle at something practice that and you'll get better, one example is 3/4 head view or weird angles. I'de look up photos and do timed practices where you try to get the idea, then one where you take as much time as you like to make it look as realistic as possible, but in my experience I've only ever been able to look at the same drawing for 3-4 hours before calling it done and doing something else. Up to you to figure out the weaknesses and how to practice them but photo reference, and construction from your brain is your friend after you build up those skills.

[Anonymous No.6980266]

>>6980265
Picture didn't attach lol

[Anonymous No.6980269]

>>6980266
oops wrong one, oh well, I'm too sleepy lol

[Anonymous No.6980296]

>>6980265
>>6980266
>>6980269
>The main thing I'd do is draw things you enjoy and separate study/improvement time from just fun drawing/doodling time. If you struggle at something practice that and you'll get better
Alright I'll keep that in mind, so far I've just been trying to learn anatomy, and honestly it's kind of been overwhelming. Just gonna have to grind those in between
> I'de look up photos and do timed practices where you try to get the idea, then one where you take as much time as you like to make it look as realistic as possible
So like croquis timed stuff?
> Up to you to figure out the weaknesses and how to practice them but photo reference, and construction from your brain is your friend after you build up those skills.
Thanks a lot for your advice anon, your stuff is one of my favorites on this board so I'll try to apply your advice to my drawings

Once again, thanks so much for your input anon

[Anonymous No.6980302]

>>6980296
Happy to help
I pasted this elsewhere and it got used in one of the general threads somewhere I think but here's some sites for people references


https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed
https://www.quickposes.com/en
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en
https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/random
https://www.characterdesigns.com/non-nude-photo-index
https://www.lovelifedrawing.com/tutorials/
https://app.posemy.art/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/hands-feet-practice

[Anonymous No.6980387]

>>6980196
The same anon as you replied too, thanks for this video, it's very helpful as well

[Anonymous No.6980446]

i think the concept of gish is very underrated and unexplored for some reason

[Anonymous No.6982712]

>>6980446
Gish?

[Anonymous No.6982718]

>>6982712
In role playing games jargon means a character that can fight with weapons and also use magic

[Anonymous No.6983720]

>>6982718
It's dumb sounding. Why does it mean that?

[Anonymous No.6983723]

>>6983720
Google it lazy motherfucker

[Anonymous No.6983729]

>oc thread thread split attempt no 5.
>It's still fucking shit
Read the room, slopfag.

[Anonymous No.6983754]

>>6983723
fuck you, die, ok fine good idea
It's still a silly sounding name though.

[Anonymous No.6984414]

>>6983729
Lel, i know my feral ranting will be ignored but i am bored rn and don't have a pencil with me. These threads and /ic/ as a whole breed egotistic, angry, artists who crab due to their lack of understanding of art, a lot of the people here don't get that art is in the eye of the beholder, and that its not very objective, while yes there is a difference in techincally good and techincally bad art both can be enjoyed. The oc threads seem to have a really bad case of crabs, mainly due to the fact that a lot of people but their sweet and blood into making their oc, to these people it is a sort of extension to them, ans for them to be not drawn or told it is bad causes anger, this makes them bitter to nu artists, and makes them want to find a reason to hate other people. I remember when the utam shit wad posted on the thread a month back, and a lot of people were glad they had a excuse to hate them, i find this odd, to be in such contempt of someone for little reason is quite irrational. As for me i can get it, altough id argue that i am a victim of the environment i grew up on and that i am better nowadays since i post and get my validation for other communties. But enough about me, another symptom i see of these people is a heighten sense of greatness in their art, while its good to be cofident in your art it becomes a when hindrance you are blinded by it, i remember getting my art called bad(objectively true in most cases) when the critquer saying this was around the same level of me, and couldn't even draw the male form, only simplified female forms. In sort have fun and don't take any of this online plap serious

[Anonymous No.6985333]

>>6982718
huh, interesting.

If I had had to guess I would have assumed it was 'Bishonen, but a girl'

[Anonymous No.6987652]

>>6980446
Needs more contrast, the brown leather is so dark out blends into the dark clothing
Also the top is boring, maybe try adding gold to it as well like buttons or zippers

[Anonymous No.6987854]

Ohh I've been wishing for a thread like this, I just finished this up yesterday

[Anonymous No.6988233]

>>6979686
>2.Art trades should be directed to OC redraws. Do not post work expecting fills and do not draw characters in the hopes of getting returns.
What a gimme nigger. This thread is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.6989089]

>>6987854
Looks cute

[Anonymous No.6989100]

https://discord.gg/J4AR2gPSUK

New art server fred is apart of, please get these fags to get rid of him

[Anonymous No.6989109]

>teehee i'm going to draw stick figures and post about discord to troll /ic/
how are you not bored yet?

[Anonymous No.6990213]

>>6979686
Imagine my surprise when I come back to these threads after a long while and see my oc redrawn! A massive thank you to the anon that drew this, and sorry for not seeing it earlier!

[Anonymous No.6990283]

>>6987854
omg its the cat thief. what happened to the big cat thief? did he get killed off?

[Anonymous No.6990344]

>>6989089
Thanks!

>>6990283
Oh no he's a round too

[Anonymous No.6990346]

[Anonymous No.6990362]

This is Puppet, he’s a weird version of another OC of mine named Raymond formed through dreams, the tiny guys floating around are called “Tonies” it’s not known what they really are but Puppet says that they were once all very beautiful girls, there’s wayyy more I could say but I don’t want to just infodump, so the last I’ll say is that I picture him sounding like The Warden from Superjail

I made this piece a while ago, I wanted to try and draw silhouette and use few colors and I was pretty happy with the result

[Anonymous No.6990587]

Feels like noone here ever plans to do anything with there ocs besides post them to get free drawings.

[Anonymous No.6990592]

>>6990587
That is most people with OC's.
If they were not OC'S they would be refered to by their name/ or just xxxxx's character. Once you start making something, vidya, animations, comics(/manga). They just become (insert name here).
Pareto distribution baby.

[Anonymous No.6990600]

Man I just want to talk about my characters, if I was asking for art I'd be in another thread

[Anonymous No.6990608]

>>6990600
Give me one good reason why I should care about your characters

[Anonymous No.6990664]

>>6990600
Go ahead. Ignore the faggots.

[Anonymous No.6990681]

An example of a Marasmusi Noble, Pig Shepherd, Servant, and Pig.
Nobles are few and far between, and because of this, rare resources and commodities can be generously exchanged between them. Representing the eight tribes of the Marasmusi: Geda, Oshtoreth, Hemibrig, Washkar, Embril, Zeshomah, Thyrthrmil, and Cumraith, most nobles wear the emblem of their tribe proudly upon their apparel. Here, the symbol lies on the shoulder of their fashionable but unpractical cloak. After generations of slavery and loss of culture, the Marasmusi have taken to appropriating the now enslaved Mole peoples' aesthetics and patterns into their own clothing.
Pig Shepherds, as their name implies shepherd Marasmus SIlver Pigs as a source of food and leathers. Pigs, unlike many other mammals, can adapt to any environment and eat virtually anything, like giant rats. But unlike rats, they live much longer and can provide a stable source of food and leather for clothing. Pig Shepherds' clothing is simple in design but tough for the underground environment they live. Covered almost completely, the thick leather padding helps protect them from the heat of the lava floes, treacherous terrain, and vicious monsters around them. Since many Marasmus plants like to grow near lava floes thanks to the abundant carbon in the air, warmth of the lava, and nigh unlimited source of healthy earth, shepherds naturally spend lots of time around the heat and carbon-rich air. Many adopt the use of masks, with cloths to help filter the air. Their hats, too, made of straw in the common Marasmusi snail hat shape has a flap on the back to protect the wearer's hair and neck while the straw weave of the cap allows heat to escape easily.
Ironic for a once enslaved people to have indentured servants, servants are generally criminals or the children of debtors, taught to serve nobles and their households either until the sentence is complete or the debt is repaid.

[Anonymous No.6990688]

>>6990681
Continued: Nobles often deceive their servants in an effort to keep them forever. Servants often wear simple garb with a taut top which makes foreign object like weapons difficult to hide, and a torc with the symbol of the swirl to let others now they are servants. A servant's clothes might also include the symbol of the tribe or the sign and information of the noble they belong to.
Marasmusi pigs are thick-skinned, furred pigs, with long ears to whisk away heat. Generally able to eat anything, the pigs trot around in groups, often corraled by a shepherd. Some pigs are also trained to sniff out rare underground plants similar to how real-world pigs can be taught to sniff out truffles. A pig's skin is often used for clothing and padding, their meat and bones for food, and their hooves and teeth for jewelry. Some shepherds also milk their pigs with mixed results.
The following image is of a Ewe Cow, a breed of bovine exclusive to the underground world of Marasmus, with their shorter legs, shovel-shovel and three-toed hooves, and baleen-like teeth, Ewe cows are exceptionally well-adapted to foraging through rocks and climbing cliffsides where they live. Additionally, their thick hair helps against the cold as well as insulates and offers some protection from magma floes.

[Anonymous No.6990690]

>>6990688
Bone Cleaners of Marasmus:
When Marasmusi die, their remains are prayed for by their family. After their final goodbyes, the body is given over to the bone cleaners, Marasmus’ version of morticians. Here, the body is released of all blood via a tube inserted into their jugular and pumped until as much blood as they can get out has been removed. Organs are removed through a horizontal incision across the lower torso. Marasmusi see no value in the organs so they are generally disposed of unless someone requests otherwise. The body is then shaved of as much flesh as possible using ceremonial knives, starting with the right limbs and moving clockwise, saving the torso for last.
The Bone Cleaners then remove the head and boil the remaining flesh from the the post-cranial body in three-legged cauldrons. The head is then plastered in a death mask of their likeness and Lyme is used to fill in any gaps in the mask and to reduce stench.
After the bones are all cleaned and removed of blood and any other dirt, they are interred in shared tribal catacombs, though Elites may have enough power to have their own private tombs. The heads, still in the death mask is put in front of the tombs as a way of identifying which grave is which.
In Marasmusi culture, death should be treated with solemn respect. As skeletons are the only things that remain after the decomposition process, Marasmusi see the skeleton as pure and removed from all impurity. This is why the bones are cleaned. The bone cleaners themselves emulate skeletons by covering themselves in white powder, being clean shaven, and wearing nothing but a loincloth. It is also why blood and other possible body fluids are drained so carefully, as to not spill and stain anything pure. Bone cleaners also must keep a good reputation with the tribe and are usually some of the older and most respected people in the group.

I hoped you enjoyed reading about this particular group of peoples in my world. :] Happy holidays.

[Anonymous No.6990854]

>>6990600
The earlier oc threads used to have a good amount of lore dumps and redraws. It's made the threads interesting to go through.

>>6990681
>>6990688
>>6990690
Finally some good fucking food, happy holidays to you as well, flash. I really like burial ritual process. Really interesting read.

[Anonymous No.6990895]

>>6987854
>>6990344
>>6990346
sex
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sex sex sex

[Anonymous No.6990977]

>>6990895
Calm down son you wanna get on the naughty list on Christmas eve?

[Anonymous No.6992368]

Where are the lore dumps and discussions? this replacement oc general blew its load before it began.

[Anonymous No.6993571]

Harvester of Eyes runs a cult/business where he captures unsuspecting men and women with internet popups and then uses their personal visions to fuel his own egregores!

[Anonymous No.6993603]

>>6993571
scribble slop.

[Anonymous No.6993726]

>>6992368
>Holiday season
prob gonna be slow t B h

[Anonymous No.6993788]

>>6993571

[Anonymous No.6994885]

>>6993788
Extremely based improvement on the design

[Anonymous No.6994904]

Since the thread invites both critique and criticism, I will post a couple of strips from a storyline extending over 180 pages and ask for examination. Not of the art,per se,nor of the clumsy arrangement and orchestration of the panels and walls of exposition. What I want to know, and could never guess at since I never received feedback from the 3800 unique visitors per month average my site had,was this:

The Writing. The World Building Through Inference. Can people link their answers to each strip,and in a sentence, summarize what you think went on in it? I want to know if I am delivering the facts adequately, and if the ideas behind the dialogue are getting comprehended.

In short,am I doing a proper job Writing This Stuff Up.

[Anonymous No.6994906]

[Anonymous No.6994907]

[Anonymous No.6994908]

[Anonymous No.6994909]

And here is a prime example of Jeremey Logic, something that would never occur to me unless I was thinking in his head.

[Anonymous No.6994949]

>>6985333
>Bishonen, but a girl
There's already a term for that:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bish%C5%8Djo

[Anonymous No.6995088]

>>6994904
>>6994906
>>6994907
>>6994908
>>6994909
How long did this take you to make because your style is really heavy on the ink? You could probably simplify the backgrounds to make the process quicker and to make some of the characters stand out more because in some panels, it gets pretty messy looking imo.

[Anonymous No.6995599]

>>6995088
I know that the art has flaws. You didn't read what I asked for in my first strip, all about world building. These are elaborate storyboards that I will eventually make over in my full color Photoshop legerdermain assembly method of making comics. But not now.

[Anonymous No.6995607]

they are mercenaries

[Anonymous No.6995785]

>>6994906
>>6994907
>>6994908
>>6994909
>>6995599
I can't answer your question about world-building because I don't even want to bother reading this shit. There is way too much text, the art isn't appealing and it LOOKS downright boring at a glance because everything is just talking heads panel after panel.

[Anonymous No.6996016]

>>6993788
This is cool orange and green is cool im gona make him orange and green do you have any donut steels urself?

[Anonymous No.6996156]

>>6995785
So don't.

[Anonymous No.6996187]

>>6996156
That was your critique, it fails to capture attention and doesn't seem worth the effort to reading

[Anonymous No.6996668]

>>6996187
>"effort to reading".

Try either

Effort to read.

Or

Effort of reading.

Maybe another Anon will help me. One less daunted by words.

[Anonymous No.6996764]

>>6979686
I want to make a isekai comedy about 2 bros suplexing the forces of evil in a generic fantasy world with a party of characters.

The point isn't an adventure, but a slice of life that can be done in 8 panel doses to tell jokes, lore, or action. Not delving too deep into any of these genres.

The characters are meant to be one-dimensional, yet charming tropes cobbled together to interact with one another as friends.
>Childhood friends, Dudebros who like partying and fighting
>Magical Kuundere Homunculus girl
>Loyal Borzoi Swordsdog
>Paladin Princess
>Old Disco Bard
>Gyaru Healslut
>Skeleton Warlock CEO

Originally I was making this to use the title, "Chadicus and Bradicus and the Magical Homunculus", but I got some ideas about other things.

A question I have is, before I start should I make a bible before I start and try and make sure the shadow identities are there in a line-up, or should I just slam and jam and work this out on the fly? I want this to be a continuous project I can work on between work and sleep, so low stress.

[Anonymous No.6996865]

>>6996668
>grammar nazi
Your faggot 'gotcha' is a cope for the fact nobody is bothering with this tl;dr shit including me.

[Anonymous No.6998631]

Here's my protagonist for the novel i'm currently working on which i'm planning to name “How the dead live”, Olivia Suzuhara

Olivia, a spectral entity trapped in limbo due to a lack of proper funeral rites, is a lost spirit in a world where these lingering lost souls get their bodies reconstructed from the collective unconscious, turning themselves into "Phantoms." The pieces from the collective unconscious their bodies are made of are known as “gestalt" which are like fragments that empower them with unique spells. As phantoms utilize gestalt, their bodies deteriorate, pushing them closer to a final demise.

The phantoms, acting as agents for the gatekeepers of heaven and hell, serving as modern-day reapers, tasked with guiding souls to their ultimate destinations.

As for Olivia, she's essentially a phantom who's tasked to kill her former lesbian lover, who had left her abruptly for no reason at all. She later then discovers her former lover is actually a phantom herself and she grapples with either having to kill her or not.

[Anonymous No.6998633]

>>6998631
Very Charming

[Anonymous No.6998634]

>>6998631


As for the antagonist, Her name is Viktoriya Sokolov.

She's a phantom who was once feared as the “Russian grim reaper” after her brutal time serving in the Russian military during ww2 with her unconventional method of wielding a giant machete. She became a phantom after she then died standing atop of 100 corpses in the battlefield and she was never given a funeral due to her breaking multiple geneva conventions and she became nothing more than a russian urban legend, like the grim reaper itself.

She's meant to be a Jason Vorhees like character, with a mixture of Toji Fushiguro

She was tasked with killing Eva Monroe just like Olivia and the two crossed paths which then now fuels the conflict of the story itself.

As the story continues in the novel, you get to see the duality between the two, mainly how Viktoriya who had finally lived after becoming a phantom herself, to how Olivia sees herself as truly dead after becoming a phantom. The two would have a lot of similarities but a lot of differences as well so yeah.

Idk if anything I've read about is interesting enough, desu. Or idk if it's any good to begin with, but if you've reached this point, then thanks for reading it all :)

[Anonymous No.6998640]

>>6998633
Thank you anon! :)

[Anonymous No.7000455]

Trying to make a ghost mascot character. Here's what I have so far. His name is Caddy. I'm trying to go for a "fat & funny ghost best friend" vibe.

[Anonymous No.7000472]

>>6995607
I really like these guys, but the proportions are too aimless. Consider redrawing these characters with more simple shapes and a clear silhouette. Something like picrel in terms of proportions and shape language. Plus the armor design seems too derivative of saiyan armor.

[Anonymous No.7001074]

>>6982718
>>6980446
i prefer the non-retarded term spellblade

[Anonymous No.7001318]

>>7000472
Thanks, I will work on it

[Anonymous No.7001768]

>>7000455
I like the skull sitting more at the top, isntead of having a hunch, because then he looks more helpless/awkward, which is cute.
Like a little guy tucked in a blanket and waiting for his turn to play the video-game.
I also like that ribcage with the collarbone and no line divisions.

The version with the glows at the bottom don't look appealing, make the glow less granualr, bigger waves to simplify it, otherwise it combines poorly with the fella's simplicity.

[Anonymous No.7001771]

>>7001768
Correction: the skull doesn't have to sit at the top, it's more about the perception of the back. It can also be in the middle, but then it should look shallow, as if the skull were a face on the surface, rather than a fully separate sphere that creates the idea of a neck/hunch.

[Anonymous No.7001783]

>>6998631
>>6998634
very chuuni of you

[Big Jim No.7002054]

These are Tronian Droids, Part of a space-faring empire I Made:

**Documents Detailing/Describing them:**

*Overview Document:*
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sCQpzp3uuLwmtv7kPvFDdGduwftvpVp1sR7QnMGGQ30/

*Droid Document:*
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kTn2-ShfaQH6BVVFEkgT9gvORk29AVkA8SrMlUbKotI/

*Spaceship Document:*
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i_xh_21VrkjNxTxZodU6NwFKp7_VHfnUd5sic0Wqfkw/

I just recently came back to these documents of mine after a few years, fixed some stuff on them. and would love to hear your critiques and thoughts!

[Anonymous No.7004116]

>>6979686
Just cranked this one out

[Anonymous No.7004137]

>>6996187
Let's try this:

https://youtu.be/jeNSwSU-jlE?si=5pxP_LzV-OSe1JCd

[Anonymous No.7004326]

>>6996668
taking a look at your work and Ill admit that it gets kind of cluttered but I can pick out specific things like clothing, bits of machines, body parts are the easiest to pick out so im using them as a guide line. The abundance of words can be daunting and personally I tend to skim-read things but still understand the content, if the content pulls me in then I tend to read the whole thing proper. I guess being an oldfag myself, your way of making indie comics is like looking into the past some 30+ years ago or hell early 2000's comics that have this specific feel to it. Im no expert myself but if there is one thing I can tell you and you probibly herd this over and over again by now but 'less panels'. Mostly to give your images more room to be seen and not be completely covered in the text boxes. Unsure if this gives you more work to draw out those intently blank areas or not because I can understand if your not willing to do that but that's all I got.

As for how I personally feel about your comic, it feels more like a 'sit down and really emerge yourself in the world despite how technically intimidating it might be'. You do have alot of heart put into the work. Not everyone would take the time to sit down and enjoy it but feels like that's not much of a concern for you. You know what your content is about and probably fine with who might like or dislike it. Im rambling now, tl;dr 'fucking looks baller man'