What's stopping (you) from artistic success, anon?

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Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:21:07 2023 No.6973719 [Reply] [Original]

What's stopping (you) from artistic success, anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:25:46 2023 No.6973726 >>6973719 Besides arm it's pretty okay

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:34:41 2023 No.6973730 >>6973719 Fundamentally, my problem is that I'm a fucking retard Existential skill issue

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:38:56 2023 No.6973733 >>6973730 Lots of skilled artists are brain dead

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:48:08 2023 No.6973737

Not having a specific goal. Sometimes I’m more into painting, sometimes into comics, lately into figure drawing. In the end I never accomplish anything and I’ve been like this for years.

Yes, I focused on painting fundies for a while but I’m back to self doubting on everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:50:55 2023 No.6973739 >>6973719 I overthink everything and end up paralyzed by fear

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:50:58 2023 No.6973740 >>6973719 Studies

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:51:10 2023 No.6973741 I don't have an apple iPad Pro 12.9 means I simply can't draw finished rendered artwork 24/7 I am forever stuck on either merely thinking about drawing, or making meaningless scribbles

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 08:57:26 2023 No.6973743 >>6973719 depressed and unfocused

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 09:44:50 2023 No.6973758 >>6973719 Marketing, time, a real girl to keep me in check from complacency and being pain-free generally is a great idea for making art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 09:46:27 2023 No.6973759 File: 1.30 MB, 2450x1763, ynhgfn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] because i need to work harder I gotta learn how to color better

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 09:49:51 2023 No.6973760 >>6973759 The fact you color at all puts you ahead of most anons here

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 10:06:33 2023 No.6973766 >>6973758 >a real girl to keep me in check from complacency that'd be nice. companionship to shoot the shit with while i did art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 10:14:26 2023 No.6973770 File: 384 KB, 637x733, 1698520524215.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973758 >>6973766

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 10:28:14 2023 No.6973783
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>>6973719

Being lazy? I'm not sure.
There are days or even months when I consistently put out 5+ hours of working on my art, but there are also months when I can't force myself to draw at all. I've been trying out different methods to motivate myself (like betting real money on if I can keep up a streak of drawing daily, meditation, journaling, self hypnosis, reading and going through exercises in self-discipline books, trying Atomic Habits, joining /dad/ etc). Some of these work in the short term, but nothing seems to be working in the long term. For some reason even promise of getting payed isn't working for me. If someone here had a similar issues and managed to solve them, please share. At the moment I'm working on dividing my drawing process into a series of extremely small steps (~1-5 minutes for each step), to make it less intimidating and easier to do when I have limited time/energy.

That being said, I've already managed to sell one of my traditional paintings (pic related) and several digital pieces. So in a way I am more successful than a world-famous artist van Gogh ;^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 10:32:42 2023 No.6973789 >>6973719 monetary success? I really don't like to be bothered. artistic? I am doing alright, many victories had, many more to come.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 10:56:40 2023 No.6973814

>>6973783
>I can't force myself to draw at all
It's not about forcing. There is a thing in your brain that if you find will enable you to put effort without being tired.
However it took me over a year of trying to find it. Or 23 years if count my entire life of unawareness.
I turned from a person who was a textbook example of adhd with INTENSE executive dysfunction(which was pretty much the only real issue) to a man who can do anything on a whim with barely any effort once it clicked to me. All ideas along the path were giving max 50% or so increases, while now I'm over 2000%(over two thousand percent, over 20 times) more efficient and productive over weeks that came.
For the first time in my life I am myself, and I love it.

I don't know how to put what I do mentally using words. It never worked to take someone's advice anyway.
Do not rely on external stimulation. In fact, do not rely on stimulation at all. "Meditation" is what I started with, but not really. I was coming up with methods that felt like they were slightly pushing me towards doing things, eventually realizing that what I did back then was meditation. You cannot do meditation if told to meditate, it only works(although nearly not as much as to change anything in your life, but observably it became easier to start, just not sit through) if it's internally originated.

I could write a ton more, everything in detail even, step by step my struggles, but 4chan has a character limit and I already plan to do that elsewhere in somewhat more appropriate place.
Keep your determination for as long as it takes, but get to it on your own, it's your brain, you will master it at one point and you will be alive, none suggestion will make it for you. Be analytical of your behavior, look at your efficiency/productivity very precisely even if you don't have the strength to write it down. It is going to look like nothing is working for over a year if you're just like me, but it likely will wary in duration.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 11:14:09 2023 No.6973831

>>6973814
>I could write a ton more, everything in detail even, step by step my struggles,
>I already plan to do that elsewhere in somewhat more appropriate place.
Alright, I'm hooked. Blog? Where are you planning to post that step-by-step plan? I want to follow you and read it as soon as you post it

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 12:33:49 2023 No.6973876

>>6973831
I didn't want it to feel like an advertisement though.
Really all you need is to follow on ideas to fix it that are coming from yourself, judge their effect if any, and extend or not them into further ideas until you will find it. It was like I was constantly trying, but only sometimes could put motion into my decisions, and not nearly as much as I should. As long as you keep trying and pulling towards being able to, you will eventually land there.
Don't ask or search for someone's solution, find the specific (to yourself) solution yourself.

I'll give some more me-related tips that may or may not be applicable.
I've tried A LOT of sleep, diet(vitamins, blood tests, etc.), living conditions, etc. based methods but none of those worked. Some were based on doing things regularly which I was failing day one. Those were really destined to fail from the beginning. It's a "if you fixed your problem, you can use it to fix your problem" kinda advice.
Really most of online methods are suggested for people who already are normal. Like "put your devices away/turn off distracting apps" or other useless trash info from people who've never had any issues. It's like "eliminate the results of your problem" kinda treatment, but with the cause still there you won't do anything anyway.
That's why I say never listen to outside advice.(Ironic, I know, I advice to not listen to advice, but you know what I mean)
You can straight away ignore all of that and just focus on the mind. Someone tells you you need vitamins or some other bs? I was being told that all the time too. Nobody will ever know how you feel and they will be trying to give you advice they never had a chance to try out on anything remotely similar themselves.
Find something that you know you almost never can do and it's infinitely hard to force yourself to do it and keep it as a benchmark.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 15:37:16 2023 No.6974005
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>>6973783
>I've been trying out different methods to motivate myself (like betting real money on if I can keep up a streak of drawing daily, meditation, journaling, self hypnosis, reading and going through exercises in self-discipline books, trying Atomic Habits, joining /dad/ etc).
What about...liking what you draw?
I'm serious. You're basically playing little mind games right now. Nothing's going to stick like WANTING to draw, because you like what you do.
The answer isn't in a self-help book, the answer is in you: "Why do you even want to draw? What do you even want to draw?" If you can't answer those 2 question, you very probably don't want to do it with any seriousness or consistency, and there's no shame in that.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:07:41 2023 No.6974033

>>6974005
>What about...liking what you draw?
>I'm serious. You're basically playing little mind games right now. Nothing's going to stick like WANTING to draw, because you like what you do.
This person has obviously never had your issue.
Do these people seriously think that if you want to do something you will?
I wanted to do everything I now do for my entire life. If it was this simple I'd never have this issue in the first place.
You can have all the want, all the motivation, all the "just do it"'s, all the stimulation, all the rewards, all the people counting on you, it does NOT MATTER for that issue.
You're basically denied being yourself by it.(which is why I said before that "For the first time in my life I am myself, and I love it.")

Being as I am now, I also could just come to them, say "look, I just do it", do the thing, "why don't you just do it???", make them even more depressed or whatever they feel due to that issue and leave thinking I was the good guy trying to help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:33:33 2023 No.6974064 I‘m a lazy retard and probably just not cut out for self study Like I know that I need to learn anatomy and construction for figure drawing but am just unable to properly figure out how to

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:39:53 2023 No.6974072 File: 208 KB, 628x662, NGMIcrabchan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973719 Honestly, wasting time on shit like games and stupid ass threads like this

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:10:09 2023 No.6974107

>>6973814
I'm in a real slump right now, and I might have ADHD because even when I don't have a depressive episode and feel good, I just can't act. Like there's a knot in my mind, preventing me from doing anything really, even absolute basics such as eating the food right there in my fridge when hungry. But some days, a switch is flipped and I am a tireless beast that gets things done. Reading your post gave me hope that I can find that switch. For now I'm stumbling in complete darkness, hitting my head and toe and can't find orientation; but when I find it, I will make sure I always know where it is like an inner compass. Compassion for myself is something I should also improve on.
Thanks, and Godspeed, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:12:41 2023 No.6974111 my wageslave job

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:13:52 2023 No.6974115 >>6973783 have you ever drawn or painted anything besides this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:14:59 2023 No.6974118 File: 139 KB, 850x1020, __original_drawn_by_avogado6__sample-b71495e333d4dfb39c64be747f600650.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973719 Nothing. I just am not there yet, because it takes time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:17:30 2023 No.6974122 File: 181 KB, 599x599, 075868467.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973719 Lack of talent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:26:14 2023 No.6974136 File: 3.53 MB, 4377x3307, shibuya_rin_idolmaster_and_1_more_drawn_by_matsuo_yuusuke headchart officart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973759 keep studying, im@s anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:27:00 2023 No.6974139 File: 2.89 MB, 4424x3276, shibuya_rin_idolmaster_and_1_more_drawn_by_matsuo_yuusuke flbd stand officart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:50:50 2023 No.6974174 >>6973719 internet addiction

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:00:24 2023 No.6974186 >>6973719 Digital painting. I need a way to figure out how to do that easily

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:23:08 2023 No.6974216 >>6973719 OP just goes to show how far renderfagging can take you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:32:58 2023 No.6974229 >>6974115 Yes, your mom fucking your dog.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:44:42 2023 No.6974242 >>6974229 >Portrait of a White Woman

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:54:12 2023 No.6974254 File: 173 KB, 1644x655, 1549314838099.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6974136 >>6974139 soon, once february comes around i'll make the annual SHIBUYA RIN general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:41:43 2023 No.6974430 >>6974118 ygmi

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:52:00 2023 No.6974515 File: 100 KB, 232x480, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973719 what da hellllllllllllllllllllll

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:31:32 2023 No.6974579 File: 175 KB, 1200x922, garbageartist_copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973719

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:41:20 2023 No.6974592 >>6973737 This hurts on an emotional level. I feel you anon

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:44:21 2023 No.6974599

>>6973719
Not being consistent, fucking being too autistic to do studies properly and not breaking out of my comfort zone.
Also lacking self confidence and being based. Y'see I wanna draw hentai but I'm a traditional artist and I don't want others to see the shit I draw so they aren't even more convinced I'm a degenerate. Sure, I hide it but I also don't want my partner to catch me drawing porn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:46:33 2023 No.6974604 >>6973760 Colouring is the only fun part about art though, creating the sketch is the hard and frustrating part

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:28:10 2023 No.6974812 >>6974254 i will report in when the time comes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 08:34:34 2023 No.6977745 >>6974812 hell yeah more SHIBUYA rin for the SHIBUYA rin collection

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:13:46 2023 No.6977762 i'm a jackass who never practiced consistently kek

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:17:34 2023 No.6977764

i'm too hesitant to do proper studies, i spend too long refining sketching instead of having a more iterative approach, i spent a year drawing the same shit over and over instead of exploring different things, i never do finished pieces. i'm too firmly rooted in my comfort zone and i'm too recalcitrant to do anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:23:00 2023 No.6977767 >>6973719 I can't just draw. It takes me hours to build motivation. I usually just lie down and do nothing all day, I dont even consoom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:34:08 2023 No.6977793 >>6973770 Kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:46:55 2023 No.6977877 >>6973719 Working shit hours. Having more hobbies other than art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:35:39 2023 No.6977885 >>6973741 I bought a used one on a marketplace that had an option of paying in installments and here is a spoiler: it didnt get better

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:32:55 2023 No.6978193 I reinvent the wheel each time I draw and try a new method instead of honing something further

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:35:04 2023 No.6978202 >>6974118 adorable

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:40:08 2023 No.6978210 >>6973719 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lD-uYb5qw

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:22:21 2023 No.6978756 I don't know what artistic success entails other than being recognized and paid for my artwork. I enjoy the boundlessness of painting murals too much to commit to other media, but I feel like I have to if I'm gonna strike out on my own.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 03:29:17 2023 No.6978847

>>6973737
>Not having a specific goal. Sometimes I’m more into painting, sometimes into comics, lately into figure drawing. In the end I never accomplish anything and I’ve been like this for years.
Damn this shit is relatable. I'm like you anon but add animation, game art, programming, music...

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 03:44:59 2023 No.6978869

>>6973758
>a real girl to keep me in check from complacency and being pain-free
You guys are weak as shit.
>I need a companionship because otherwise my dreams will never come true
I can't believe that I just read that garbage and I'm on 4chan of all places. Inc*ls truly are shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:38:17 2023 No.6979151 >>6973719 Being a lazy piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 10:26:47 2023 No.6980432 >>6973719 Me. It's me who is stopping myself from artistic success. Hopefully there is some sort of afterlife where I can spend an eternity in agony for only being granted one singular chance and wasting it all.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:05:02 2023 No.6980558

>>6980432
Nah, it's me. I'm stopping you from artistic success, Barry. Every time your anatomy fell short, it was me, I tampered with your scales when you weren't looking. I transformed your arms the wrongest way possible every time you blinked. Every shortcoming of your life is caused by ME.

Now get to work you lazy nodraw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 15:25:24 2023 No.6980612 >>6973719 Being stupid and on meds

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:15:45 2023 No.6980731 >>6973719 I can't remember shit to save my life

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:30:27 2023 No.6980752 >>6974604 color takes too god damn long and i'm bored of the drawing long before it turns into anything reasonable, i'ld rather just crank out sketches.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:46:17 2023 No.6980766
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>>6973719
i avoid learning from others like the plague so i can focus on having fun, but whenever i get burned out it hits harder because i dont have any learned discipline to draw successfully anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:59:30 2023 No.6980778 I have ADHD

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:19:13 2023 No.6982078 >>6973770 Real lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:13:34 2023 No.6982131 File: 339 KB, 649x728, 1702843297022684.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973719 I suck and I'm a "hospitalize this person" kind of crazy

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:36:47 2023 No.6982164 >>6973719 laziness and migraines and drawing with a mouse (no mouse is not bad it just takes way too long)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:38:14 2023 No.6982166 >>6982131 what’s going on with her hair

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 01:07:32 2023 No.6982212 >>6973719 I dont want to draw NSFW But waifus showing boobs is the only thing popular, I dont know what to do

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:21:07 2023 No.6982289

>>6973770
This guy looks exactly like me but with longer hair.
WTF.

>>6978869
>>6973766
A real girl will keep me in check because girls tend to be conservative and keep me on track. I'm a little autistic so I can go too wild and too far. It is not like I need a girl in order to do art. I do art because I love to do art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:28:21 2023 No.6982296 >>6982166 she pulled a Britney? idk

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:28:59 2023 No.6982297

I could say that it's because I don't draw well enough, since I can always get better, but the simple answer is that my work just isn't appealing enough. Nobody cares because....... nobody cares. And that's fine - I've long since decided that I'm just telling stories out loud to myself, and if anyone else wants to walk a little bit of the way with my work I'm happy for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 03:00:58 2023 No.6982336 >>6973719 literally everything else except the "Draw" part >marketing >shilling >emaling >invoicing >talking to people like (You) >Discording >drama PR >livestreaming >graphics making >video editing i literally do not give a fuck, i just want to draw

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