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/mmg/ - Manga Making General Anonymous Sat Dec 2 22:50:20 2023 No.6962076 [Reply] [Original]

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>6935545

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
Making Comics
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/Dd4hnZTC#EjMIcTDPLbWXkAJLPHx2Kg
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/YQYAGJTR#1PAs3gRYTMoerPapIZTXGg
https://www.naokiurasawa.com/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

Source of OP image is Rookies volume 26.

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 22:50:44 2023 No.6962077

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 22:51:46 2023 No.6962079

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 22:53:11 2023 No.6962080

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/entry/2023/05/09/132801

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma20-memorable-smile/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

Mangano:
https://manga-no.com/mangano_award_1st#rules

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

Anonymous Sun Dec 3 09:26:44 2023 No.6962745

>>6962077
>>6962077
Noir Caesar is a scam bro, half the "indie manga" are just a nba player paying some poor writers and artists to make his ideas real. Another is remake of a Tezuka manga?? Like pluto. It has a kickstarter but it got canned. I dunno if it was ever approved of by tezuka productions but i doubt it. i hear they are trying to make a anime as well. The entire company is bankrolled by the money the dude makes off of basketball. From what i saw on the website they dont have much actually to their name besides helping other studios develop pilots of african american centric anime. One of their comics is written by the anituber ForneverWorld for fucks sake

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 13:03:48 2023 No.6962920 >>6962745 Yeah doesn't seem like the kind of thing anybody here would want to apply to anyway. Might drop it from the pasta.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 15:03:35 2023 No.6963010 >>6962920 Probably should drop image, too. They’re pretty insular and don’t take randos. Pretty high bar to recommend submitting to them

Anonymous Sun Dec 3 15:13:11 2023 No.6963019

>>6962077
The Mansion Press is a French indie comic publisher. They take submissions and have published Japanese authors.

Hollow Press is Italian and they publish Japanese artists and manga. They are open to submissions.

Iron Circus Comics is more western comics but they take submissions. Also apparently allows NSFW comics

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 15:19:38 2023 No.6963030 File: 431 KB, 689x997, 1701554582938685.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finished chapter 1 remake. Let's go chapter 2 https://blueparrotbeak.thecomicseries.com/comics/first

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 16:09:25 2023 No.6963069 >>6963030 I didn't realize ComicFury was still around. Seems they're still reliable since 2008, allow NSFW, and recently banned AI comics. I wonder why people don't talk about it as much as Webtoons and Tapas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 16:40:31 2023 No.6963100 >>6963069 the whole draw to webcomics at all beyond 2015 was the possibility to make money after getting a contract for being popular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 16:42:40 2023 No.6963102 >>6963069 I think comicfury has that vibe like westoid weirdo art, like Dobson or that guy with the fly oc who made that one twitter comic. Webtoons feels more cooler.

Anonymous Sun Dec 3 21:10:22 2023 No.6963443
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>>6962076
This is a brazilian comic magazine called Action Hiken. Action Hiken belongs to Armon Studios, created by Fabio Gesse. Action Hiken is Shonen Jump like, but is monthly magazine. This magazine publish chapter's manga and One-shots, accepts not only Action, accepts any genre (except Hentai). You can send your manga or Fanart of Action hiken manga with a Email of Armon Studios.

Link: http://www.estudioarmon.com.br/p/actionhiken.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 21:31:04 2023 No.6963465 What are some good mangas to learn how to structure some good fight scenes? Nothing overly reliant on super powers

Anonymous Sun Dec 3 22:02:08 2023 No.6963508

>someone likes my manga
>feel validated for all the hard work I put in
>they are a chrischan kind of artist asking me to check their comic out
>they've been working on it for years
>hundreds of pages
>comments are all by other comic makers with the same Chris Chan style
I accept my place. These people are above me

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 22:40:52 2023 No.6963574 >>6963443 caralho como nunca ouvi falar disso antes? >nordestino cangaceiro obligatory character in every brazilian comic

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 3 23:22:03 2023 No.6963622 >>6963465 Baki, Hajime no Ippo and a lot of Yakuza manga are good reference.

Anonymous Mon Dec 4 01:58:39 2023 No.6963803
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>>6962076
Thinking about branching out and try my hand on making comic but I know little about the current state of the industry. Drawing untill now has been nust a side hobby for me. But I'm a writer who has self published several works without much success. At least partly because I refuse to follow the popular genres. In the literary world there are a few easy-mode genres outside of which there is little to no audience. What I want to know is whether unconventional stories (and I don't mean arthousery avant-gardeness, just not isekai, not formulaic romances, not erotica,...) would have any chances to succeed in comic form.

As for the skills required, I know making a comic is no easy task but I'm willing to improve and put in the effort. I was told by a working professional after showing my works that my anatomy is good enough for webcomic/manga. Probably doesn't mean much since I know some webcomics don't have a very appealing artstyle, but that at least implies I can start working on one right away instead of spending years to hone my craft first. I just want to know if there's any chances my works will go anywhere without only working in the constraints of one of a few narrow subsets of genres?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 03:53:47 2023 No.6963926 File: 1009 KB, 1319x1843, Goal4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Goal manga

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 04:20:35 2023 No.6963957 >>6963926 goals

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 05:52:39 2023 No.6964051 File: 106 KB, 1007x1421, good morning, and in case no one ever sees you again, good night.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sorta shitty illustration for a comic I have finished 0 pages of

Anonymous Mon Dec 4 23:30:51 2023 No.6964956

Trying to copy a really dense action panel and it made me realize that while the mangaka spends his week drawing the characters, his assistants are spending that same amount of time just tirelessly scratching speedlines on top of his drawings. Hours upon hours of scratching, by hand. It looks too perfect if I try to replicate it using digital rulers, so it has to be manual. Cant describe how mind numbing it is to do. Bless the assistants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 23:40:36 2023 No.6964962 >>6962076 Any books on the topic written by established mangaka other than Araki or Tezuka? Mostly asking about JP since only Araki is translated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 00:01:01 2023 No.6964987 >>6964962 If you read Jap anyway you should just ask on a Jap forum Or browse Yahoo JP or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 02:23:26 2023 No.6965140 File: 105 KB, 1053x788, F_fxKiTawAAZtIP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any books for stuff like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 02:51:09 2023 No.6965163 >>6965140 I think that image is enough for all of that, what else you need to know anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 02:53:17 2023 No.6965164 >>6965163 all the different effects like gun shots, smoke, rocks breaking, etc

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 03:05:35 2023 No.6965170 >>6964987 Just thought i would ask on the English-speaking manga community

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 03:08:59 2023 No.6965172 Can someone recommend me a mangaka that draws hair simply that isn't Kishimoto? I need to copy someone because I am so fucking shit at this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 16:19:31 2023 No.6965789 File: 166 KB, 483x708, 1684320740589403.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6965140 >>6965164 >Any books for this stuff Manga volumes and comic books. You wanna learn how to draw smoke? Watch a mangaka draw smoke.

Anonymous Tue Dec 5 19:58:31 2023 No.6966209

Probably not a manga making question but a comic one but where can i upload in a way that can be one page at a time whenever i feel like it. Tumblr is terrible when it comes to mobile because it defaults to it's scrolling style which ruins the chronological view and webtoons only likes it when you post either a whole chapter or atleast a few pages per episode.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:16:18 2023 No.6966231 >>6965789 is there a book for these or not? I'd rather have a compilation of them all than have to flick through tons of chapters

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:21:21 2023 No.6966235 File: 988 KB, 1020x2171, page 11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Been unsatisfied with my coloring lately. Pic not related this one was alright.

Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:22:28 2023 No.6966236
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>>6966235
But in these next pages I feel its a bit all over the place? I also have a lot of problem compromising with an establishing background. I know my readers understand they are in a train here but I am pretty inconsistent and I am not showing many other passengers.

Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:23:28 2023 No.6966239
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>>6966236
Maybe using the "color balance" tool would solve the color issue, giving everything some uniform hue, but when I tried it I didn't quite like the results. It feels like this is maybe, too colorful? Like the reader eye has no landing point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:24:02 2023 No.6966241 >>6966231 I'm right there with you anon. Random bits of info aren't very helpful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:24:06 2023 No.6966242 File: 1.05 MB, 1020x1826, page 14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6966239 tldr making a comic is a pain. I still have fun though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 20:52:40 2023 No.6966301 >>6966209 Comicfury

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 21:25:20 2023 No.6966388 >>6966301 oh thank u exactly what i wanted

Anonymous Tue Dec 5 21:51:22 2023 No.6966446
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>>6966231
>>6966241
>Any books for this stuff
Manga volumes and comic books.
You wanna learn how to draw smoke? Watch a mangaka draw- I feel like we've been here before.

No but seriously. If you want to learn how to draw things like this, draw drawings of them. Remember, these are not real. Blur in real life looks nothing like it does in real life, and that's for the better, because in real life it just looks like the shutter of a camera fucked up. This is one of those cases you get to decide what looks good, not just "how do I draw this accurately?" - it's time to be an artist anon! You can do it!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 21:53:19 2023 No.6966453 File: 411 KB, 1286x987, 1692301188633620.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6966446 blur in real life looks nothing like it does IN RENDERINGS of real life*

Anonymous Tue Dec 5 23:05:59 2023 No.6966582
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>draw panels
>style keeps changing up
>sometimes it works, but this time i need it the same

does this happen to anyone else? Keeping in mind, I work 9-5, but still. Does this happen to anyone else?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 23:10:51 2023 No.6966590 >>6966582 Making a character sheet helps a lot

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 23:13:15 2023 No.6966596 >>6966582 I imagine it happens to pretty much everyone. Consistency comes with experience.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 00:48:20 2023 No.6966774 File: 439 KB, 1707x693, AxTWdAO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6966582 >>6966596

Anonymous Wed Dec 6 00:51:07 2023 No.6966781
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Currently making one.
I dont know were to post it. what is better? create my own page or go to a pages like webtoons or similar?
Im new in this, i didnt even had a twitter or instagram, so advice is apreciated

>pic related is a sketch of one of the pages im working on rn

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 00:53:55 2023 No.6966787 >>6966774 This is really a great example. It does make the characters/story a hell of a lot more interesting. Just sometimes it feels untamed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 00:55:07 2023 No.6966790 >>6966781 >what is better? create my own page or go to a pages like webtoons or similar? This isn't a choice, you ideally do both. >Im new in this, i didnt even had a twitter or instagram, so advice is apreciated So start one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 01:34:12 2023 No.6966856 >>6966781 Looks like a great start! As for posting to Webtoons or making your own website, that's really up to you. This looks interesting conceptually and I would like to see it inked. Good luck, Anon!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 03:31:24 2023 No.6966986 >>6966582 literally everytime i sit down and start to draft, i then procrastinate and draw a needless amount of char sheets to "lock the style down" and the comic never gets made.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:57:40 2023 No.6967552 Can anyone ID the pen being used here? It doesn't smear against his copic markers which is a major problem for me so I want to give it a shot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg3_yvp6Ndo&list=PLGKvKm80iR1jc1PL2i4OWpSCam2eKrTNV&index=7

Anonymous Wed Dec 6 16:27:09 2023 No.6967597

I'd like to continue drawing with Copics since I like the look and feel of them but if I can't figure out this smearing problem I'm gonna have to switch to water colors. I've learned that alcohol and water based inks don't mix, yet the water based Sakura Pigma Microns AND Copic multiliners both smear against my alcohol markers on marker paper in specific. Yet, my bold alcohol based sharpies do not.

My next steps are to switch to fountain pens and dipping ink which apparently don't smear from the videos I've seen, and my last resort will be to adopt multimedia paper, the cons being they don't hold liquid as long and will be harder to blend with, and the heavier paper will draw out more ink per stroke, but at least they won't smear as much, if at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 16:32:55 2023 No.6967605 >>6967552 You probably won't be able to find that one specifically, but if you search for "marker proof" or "alcohol proof" brush pens you should still be able to find what you want.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 16:43:21 2023 No.6967619 >>6967597 Have you tried scanning, and then printing your inked pages to color on instead? Printer ink is more resistant to smearing than a lot of pen inks I find

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 16:48:49 2023 No.6967627 >>6967619 That seems like a fair workaround and good way of preserving the original to try out different colors if nothing else works but I'd need to go to a printer or buy one. >>6967605 I'll look those up thanks.

Anonymous Wed Dec 6 17:20:48 2023 No.6967677

Just did a little experiment on a sheet of drawing paper which is lighter than mixed media at 70lbs but still gave me some good information. Long story short my pens *still* smeared on this paper despite it being an entire 50+ lbs HEAVIER than my marker paper, which tells me smearing ink isn't a matter of tools, but approach. Basically, fine liner ink will always drag under alcohol marker so if I want to continue with these tools I'll just need to start deliberately drawing within the lines or switch to water color paint and see how that fairs, which I might incorporate anyway.
/blog

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 00:48:51 2023 No.6968285 File: 2.16 MB, 2512x3504, Imagen (4).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] im having lots of problems with consistency of desing and the fact taht you have to draw very big to make comics :(

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 00:54:41 2023 No.6968293 >>6968285 It doesnt look inconsistent, at least for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 00:56:26 2023 No.6968295 >>6968293 thanks, i tried my hardest!

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 02:22:49 2023 No.6968384
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Mangano Award
New upcoming manga award. The submission will be judged by the editor for 10 different editorial departments and publications (Shueisha, Kadokawa, Shogakukan, Kodansha, etc.).
Open to anyone as long as
>a one-shot
>120 pages maximum
>written in Japanese
>never published in any commercial magazine/website
>color is okay
>not webtoon vertical scrolling format
deadline: until Thursday, February 15 , 2024 23:59:59 JST

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 02:31:54 2023 No.6968399 >>6968285 I HATE WOMEN

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 02:47:24 2023 No.6968422 >>6968384 wonder if I could bodge a script together with my sub-JNLP nihongo and MTL probably wouldn't be the first to try it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 04:43:19 2023 No.6968576 >>6967677 Well this guy just did the impossible and colored right over his black ink without tracking it so now I'm back to square one of confusion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x3wYh2I2C8&list=PLGKvKm80iR1jc1PL2i4OWpSCam2eKrTNV&index=18

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 05:21:15 2023 No.6968604 >>6963030 I have no clue what’s happening but it gave me a laugh and Eldriel is cute, 10/10

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 05:51:30 2023 No.6968624
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>>6968604
Thankyou! I'm glad you've enjoyed my bizarre sense of humor, I just need to repost the remade version of chapter 2 and 3 so I can return to translate the last chapters.
>Eldriel is cute
He is the Gunman of love

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:13:54 2023 No.6968739
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Haven’t posted here in a long time but this is a WIP of some promo art. Gonna get back to actually making my comic after this.
‘I really didn’t want the eyes to turn out like that, but I inked it before realizing what I was doing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:34:36 2023 No.6968952 File: 217 KB, 1061x566, immagine_2023-12-07_153405032.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >get a job for a comic >you have to draw characters exactly like 1st face HOW

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:54:44 2023 No.6968970

>>6968952
Pay attention to the specific qualities of the lines. Even with that fried-ass ref image it's clear that you're not drawing the lines smooth or thin enough. Note the line weights -- you're doing everything thick, while their image is thick AND thin. Their lines are drawn carefully and deliberately, while yours are more rough and dirty.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 15:25:27 2023 No.6968988 >>6968952 What do you mean how? How are you competent enough to get hired for something like this and can't imitate such a simple style? Whatever the case... I really hope that guy isn't the protagonist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 15:57:39 2023 No.6969018 File: 80 KB, 640x795, uglyass.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6968970 >>6968988 i'm kinda improving, that was the first draft and i'm not very used to clean lines i like the design tho, it's so goofy

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 16:27:02 2023 No.6969064 >>6969018 A bit better. If nothing else your interpretation is easier on the eyes than that emaciated horse-face they made.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 16:30:09 2023 No.6969067 >>6968952 >The character design guts at home

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 16:30:33 2023 No.6969069 >>6969018 this one looks better, the hair is cooler than the zoomer hair did you get a job or was that hypothetical? congrats if you did

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 16:48:04 2023 No.6969090
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>>6969069
i got it but i'm still in the process of figuring out how to draw this kind of character (i drew a lot of comic books but never in this kinda yaoi style so the drawegns look like shite)

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 17:12:23 2023 No.6969124 >>6969090 mad jelly, looks like you know what you're doing though, this is already better than the reference in your first pic

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 17:16:08 2023 No.6969128
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>>6962076
Sup /ic/, was radio silent for a while but I'm back with the third chapter for AECAST. I hope you all enjoy reading it as much as I did making it.

Tapas Ch. 3 link: https://tapas.io/episode/3032909

GlobalComix Ch. 3 link: https://globalcomix.com/c/aecast/chapters/en/3/1

If anyone wants to read from the beginning, I'm throwing the links to the general series below.

Tapas general link: https://tapas.io/series/AECAST

GlobalComix general link: https://globalcomix.com/c/aecast

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 18:05:43 2023 No.6969174
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>>6968952
Are you drawing Robbie Reyes or just a knock-off? kek
Anyway I do comic art too, I don't even try to make it look like their previous artist, but I tell writers that upfront. I draw in my own style and a mix of the features the character reference. If the writer doesn't like that then maybe he should have paid the original artist more
Even with regular art commissions, I expect that I'm hired because they like my artstyle, not because they expect an exact copy of someone else's art

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 18:32:10 2023 No.6969202 >>6969064 feels kind of bleach influenced

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 18:41:32 2023 No.6969218 >>6969128 Glad you're still around mate, this was a great chapter. I enjoy that every sister is kind of unique with their abilities, Paige's team is pretty cool really looking forward to what happens aftert that last panel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 19:02:01 2023 No.6969243 >>6969174 or guts? sadly the author wants the character to almost exactly match the style >>6969202 it is, the writer talked about "Bleach style", never read bleach but i started studying it too damn the art is kino

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 19:13:36 2023 No.6969249 >>6969202 You can tell it is by the face and eye shape which does nothing for me I was never a fan of his artstyle

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 19:20:01 2023 No.6969255
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>>6969128
Great job anon, loved the tension of the fight scene and the setting it was in. Thought your MC being lost in thought had some meme potential so made some fanart for you, cant wait for chapter 4

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 19:46:53 2023 No.6969277 >>6969255 Fucking kek. Cute meme art anon.

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 20:10:24 2023 No.6969302

>>6968952
to be fair the first image has bad proportions: the nose is too long which makes the mouth too low and the forehead is too small

yours is better, hopefully they won't complain too much about differences since they're not that good at drawing in the first place

>>6969018
the left arm is too short, the other half should be about as long as the forearm with the elbow length being shoulder to waist

also you should draw the shoulder muscles, they should bulge out

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 23:12:22 2023 No.6969501

>>6962077
https://www.onepeacebooks.com/

One Peace Books, publisher based in NY. Most notable for The Rising of the Shield Hero western publication. Has other manga and also some original western graphic novels and regular books. They take submissions under their contacts page.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:11:12 2023 No.6969543 >break down the background of a panel study >tracing with perspective tools >perspective doesn't actually make sense Huh...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:13:32 2023 No.6969549 >>6969543 What do you mean? Can you post an example

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:14:26 2023 No.6969550 >>6969543 It's important to learn the foundational rules so that you know when to break them for appeal/rule of cool/good enough.

Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:38:25 2023 No.6969571

>>6967677
Watercolors are way more forgiving with ink. I use kuretake cartoonist super black ink and it still smears if I start too soon or use alcoholmarkets too heavily on it. I've found it's possible to avoid smears by coloring in a manner where you avoid moving the marker perpendicular to the ink, and letting the paper-bleed get the edges of the ink colored

Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:39:44 2023 No.6969572

>>6969550
This must be it. It's all warped in an almost fisheye way but only slightly, the ground most of all, while the buildings in the far back seem "correct" in that they converge at a distance horizon line. Lots of speedlines and dust to "cover" where the ground and background don't line up

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:55:52 2023 No.6969587 File: 218 KB, 1403x1082, uoah.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6968952 reminds me of a character of mine

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 02:46:06 2023 No.6969650 >>6969018 Honestly, doesn't look goofy at all. >>6968739 nice forshortening. If I could get better at anything it would be for shortening. so hard to do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 02:52:11 2023 No.6969656 >>6968739 Looking good dude.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 07:52:30 2023 No.6969851 File: 3.28 MB, 2550x3509, IMG_0786.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6968739 Side from any minor details I might add in the future, it’s done. >>6969650 >>6969656 Thank you

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 11:54:01 2023 No.6969985 File: 2.86 MB, 2544x3472, jpeg is what - Copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6962076 guys check out my comic and give it a like if you actually liked it https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/all-city/kidd37/viewer?title_no=917213&episode_no=1

Anonymous Fri Dec 8 14:11:25 2023 No.6970083

>>6969243
even with what little information you've divulged so far i can already tell that your writer is a dime-a-dozen half assed 'new age' 'manga-inspired' comic sharter who has the seemingly universal talent of incorporating the most boring parts of both western and eastern style story telling and design in their works. you are aware that your art is going to be associated with something so mediocre and vapid right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 14:14:13 2023 No.6970086 >>6970083 also im slightly drunk and really bitter and basically at the worst point of my life right now but im asking this with 100% confidence you need to understamd

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 14:33:14 2023 No.6970102 >>6969218 >>6969255 Thanks anons, I appreciate you guys taking the time to read it and give feedback. Glad you like the girls' characters and the setting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 19:43:27 2023 No.6970381 File: 188 KB, 1146x1116, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 19:43:58 2023 No.6970382 File: 268 KB, 1551x1291, 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6970381

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 19:44:29 2023 No.6970383 File: 210 KB, 1451x906, 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6970381 >>6970382 Hope this helps any of my fellow manga-creating friends.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 20:15:23 2023 No.6970416 >>6969128 Fucking awesome. Ifp I need you to draw and write faster holy shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 00:21:37 2023 No.6970693 File: 179 KB, 612x842, 0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lets go chapter 2

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 00:22:12 2023 No.6970695 File: 275 KB, 636x920, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6970693

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 00:57:24 2023 No.6970746 >>6963443 There needs to be something like this here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:12:11 2023 No.6971666 >>6970416 Anything in particular strike your fancy?

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:03:31 2023 No.6971705
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Can anyone recommend any books that have the artist's drafts/sketchworks of a finished manga?

Like, I remember Platinum End had a "Rough Works" book.
There was also the Inoue Kiyoshiro book with the drafts of his hentai which was really good

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:44:55 2023 No.6971814 >>6969985 Spamming here too? I can't really tell if you're trolling or you're legitimately fucking retarded

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:55:28 2023 No.6971827
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Hello /mmg/, I recently picked up this book someone recommended for trad inking techniques. Pretty neat.
>Rendering in Pen and Ink by Arthur L. Guptill (121.57 MB)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fzu0aegwakkoand/Rendering_in_Pen_and_Ink.zip/file

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:05:38 2023 No.6971848 >>6971827 Based and Gutpilled

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:09:45 2023 No.6971906 File: 567 KB, 2599x1270, new project c1p 9-11 s.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] almost 2 months still have to ink 5 pages fuck me

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:34:50 2023 No.6972003
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Anons have been telling me that i better finish so i can post what i have, but i just realized that what i wanted to say, is just i need some exterior feedback so i don't fucking torture myself re doing something 100 times again and again fucking up myself in the process...
I have almost all the ネイム part done, i just have like 6 or 8 pages unresolve that it would be helpfull if i could share all and say what i want to do and recieve some feedback.
So... can i?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:38:40 2023 No.6972008 >>6972003 Go right ahead! I really don't know what those anons were talking about. This is a manga-making thread after all, so I think posting WIP's kind of goes without saying. You can't improve without feedback, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 22:41:18 2023 No.6972011 >>6972003 Post it mate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 01:47:28 2023 No.6972195 >>6972003 I will make fun of it regardless

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:34:11 2023 No.6972276

>>6971666
I think you have similar worldbuilding tastes to me. I like the blend of magic+high stakes survival+team dynamics+mystery. You're also doing a good job of giving different personalities to each character so far.

Story I'm working on is completely different, but shares some of these elements.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:38:59 2023 No.6972283 >>6971666 >>6972276 your world also reminds me of some elements of the stormlight archives. The enemy starts off unintelligible but there are hints that eventually we'll get more understanding of them

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:47:21 2023 No.6972298 >>6971705 See if you can find. The rough keyframes of animations. Sometimes you can watch them on dvd's. Not hentai, but they show a lot about construction.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:14:21 2023 No.6972323

>>6972003
gonna jump the gun here and give an early crit:

I'm guessing your dialogue is still rubish and illegible, figure out how real humans talk, in english.

I'm guessing you're about to post those two characters as floating heads again, spikey haired anime character #760, and long haired edgy character #699, it'll still be maybe 20 pages of them just shot reverse shot talking to each other, but not saying anything.

I'm guessing you also haven't changed anything from the literal mountain of advice anons here have been giving you over the past year, because you hurt your hand.

but hey, keep fishing for low hanging (you's), maybe you might actually find someone you can guilt into finishing this draft for you, because that really seems to be all you want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:26:25 2023 No.6972335 File: 44 KB, 432x480, eba.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone know a free website that has manga scans that I can use as references?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:27:21 2023 No.6972336

>>6962076
How do they get lines looking like this? Everything I draw is too crisp and thin lines are like hairs and needles, not ink blots like this image.
Also it feels like my black is darker and more bold than the black they're using, even though its the same value technically. My panels hurt my eyes to stare at with the black and white lines all over the place.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:33:06 2023 No.6972353

>>6972335
Is this a joke? C'mon anon, you know you can just type that exact question into google instead of the post window instead, right?

>>6972336
>How do they get lines looking like this?
By being one of the greatest manga artists of all time.
>Everything I draw is too crisp and thin lines are like hairs and needles, not ink blots like this image.
So you can see the differences, that's good. Drop the image into your canvas and fiddle with your brush settings until you can get lines like that. But again, keep in mind you're comparing yourself to the very highest caliber.
And remember that the lines in the original drawing does not look like the printed page that we're seeing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:34:42 2023 No.6972355 >>6972353 It helps to know that I'm looking at godtier art. It takes some of the pressure off. Well I am curious now, are they trying hard to make these perfect figures or does each panel take a long time?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:40:14 2023 No.6972362
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>>6972355
I'm not sure we have much if any footage of how Morita works but I believe he can do it real quick. His pages are often very full of characters, and he's always been on a weekly schedule -- it just stands to reason that he can draw figures like that quickly. Again, we're talking about a contender for GOAT here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:41:42 2023 No.6972364 File: 28 KB, 432x559, 3a3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6972353 I was preferably looking for a non spammy website. I dislike the malicious popups and I figure someone knows a good site

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:42:00 2023 No.6972365 >>6972362 this is pretty detailed, I need to set my sights on a more reachable level, thanks

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:12:21 2023 No.6972384

>>6972362
This is going to sound retarded, but I've never understood why mangaka's have a fuzzy white outline around their characters that separate them from the environment they are in. Is this a stylistic choice to make it easier for the reader to focus on the important parts of the page?

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:26:54 2023 No.6972391

>>6972384
>Is this a stylistic choice to make it easier for the reader to focus on the important parts of the page?
Yes. It's just about helping the readability of the sequence, so if you feel like it would be easier to read if you have a separation between the background and the characters then it's appropriate.
Personally, I feel like it's overdone a lot of the time. For example on that page, the 2nd panel on the 2nd page doesn't need it -- the characters would stick out from the environment just fine without it. On the other hand, there are cases where it is necessary, like the 3rd panel on the 1st page. I think a lot of the time, unless the character straight up blends into the background by mistake, it's down to personal preference.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:49:20 2023 No.6972405

>>6972384
Appeal and readability are important. It is imperative that your characters are easily and clearly identifiable from the background, unless you were going out of your way to camouflage them. That said, I personally think a white outline should be avoided if there is another way to show the character (change the background itself so that it naturally "highlights" the character, etc.).

I've seen too many panels where both background and character kind of mesh into a sort of blurry mix. That's no good, your reader shouldn't normally have to slog their eyeballs to identify what they're looking at.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:54:34 2023 No.6972409 For anyone making manga and comics in general, I highly recommend movies and TV shows for reference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:21:12 2023 No.6972433 >>6972336 You want a good bleeding pen

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:45:33 2023 No.6972474 Pages upon pages of silly guys just to internalize how the Japanese draw silly guys, but I will do it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:02:13 2023 No.6972784 >>6972003 you gotta have more self-confidence man you're one of my favorite anons in these threads, but you need to put some faith in your work the last two times you've asked for permission to pyw everyone said yes and you still didn't post it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 17:07:07 2023 No.6972787 >>6972409 I think sometimes creators forget that if they want to improve, then watch tv and movies, play video games, read, etc. Don't be scared that you're copying someone else. Tell your story how you want.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:29:51 2023 No.6972858

>>6972787
A lot of artists, writers, etc. starting out are initially obsessed with trying to be original as possible, without realizing that virtually every single potential storytelling device has already been told or otherwise used at some point or another. We have approximately 8,000 years of recorded human writing, and people have been telling stories by word of mouth for even longer than that. It's why sites like TVTropes exist - you're bound to hit a same storytelling note eventually. What matters is how you present your ideas.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:02:27 2023 No.6973041
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First 6 pages of my Berserk modern AU comic. Never thought I'd be doing an office manga but here I am...

I know it's not clear from the sloppy sketches, but the events are:
>P1-3 Casca argues with Adon (Blue Whale Knights) over a deal and things get heated, she's grabbed by his goons
>P4-5 Gut's intro, he throws a goon out the window. They start negotiating again but Adon is now submissive
>P6 Scene change to back at the Hawks Company, establishing shot of the office and some dialogue with minor characters.

Areas I'm having trouble with is shot variety. I had an older comic I worked on a few months ago but that was plagued with issues where the shots were:
1. Always close, or too close. Basically just talking heads or busts
2. Always too similar even within the same page
I'm trying to counteract that by moving the camera around, a tip another artist told me was to try having at least a close, mid, and far shot in every page. Not sure if I did that enough.
Another is certain parts. Like P4 completely stumped me, I think I'll redraw it idk what I was doing there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:07:15 2023 No.6973042 >>6973041 Well I like the casca ass shot and this idea of the office X berserk sounds fun

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:12:38 2023 No.6973045 >>6973042 >casca ass shot I... That's Guts, actually. It's partly why I'm redrawing it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 21:13:58 2023 No.6973049 File: 27 KB, 640x360, IMG_9703.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973045

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 02:41:01 2023 No.6973440 >>6973045 >That's Guts, actually BASED. You should keep it dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 03:17:15 2023 No.6973490 >>6973045 Das a juicy ass, son. Real juicy. As >>6973440 says, you really need to keep it now, haha.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 03:23:59 2023 No.6973495 Is that Spanish guy that moved to Japan still alive? I think his name was Manly Spirit or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 11:39:19 2023 No.6973838 File: 372 KB, 905x1280, 23.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finished another page!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 12:28:18 2023 No.6973871 >>6973838 I love it, Anon! You're linework is super clean and your backgrounds and perspective are always very well done. I can't wait to see more of these characters. Do you have any more context behind them? Keep up the good work!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 12:32:46 2023 No.6973875 File: 5 KB, 60x63, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6973838 Her mask is slipping off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 13:49:41 2023 No.6973925 >>6971906 hanging in there anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 15:02:28 2023 No.6973982 >>6973838 You do a good job with eye shading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:24:10 2023 No.6974043 >>6973838 really love the volume your shading has how long does one page take you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:20:23 2023 No.6974291 Have you ever tried to copy someone else's art style for your manga/comic? Does it work?

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:58:31 2023 No.6974526

>>6974291
Ideally you should have at least 2 to 3 strong influences you really love, anon. People also appreciate being able to identify them in your work so long as it isn't Nick Simmons tier plagarism, (I like so and so, and your art reminds me of so and so, then I like it too) so you shouldn't worry about it and just do it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:43:30 2023 No.6974597
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>>6973871
Thanks! There’s a whole chapter before this one to introduce them, but the context is that in order for an alien girl to live with them in their apartment, the land lady will not allow an extra tenant unless they can do wellness checks on her nephew, another tenant in the complex.

>>6973871
>>6974043
Thanks, shading is honestly more fun than the line art. A whole page I can knock out in an entire night or so depending on how complex or busy the art is. The most I’ve done was two pages in a single night.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:50:58 2023 No.6974617 >>6974597 Sounds interesting! Do you happen to have this posted anywhere? I'd love to keep up with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:08:04 2023 No.6974631 >>6974617 Sure! This chapter isn’t posted anywhere yet, but the previous 2 are on Globalcomix (colored pdf version), INKR, and NamiComi. https://mangadex.org/title/b0bc3afb-8d17-42a4-91ee-d6b289cb7d3a/monday-s-forecast-for-hareyakana-shi

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:09:38 2023 No.6974634
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If I ever get my one shot done and printed, I'm printing a couple of them and then going to manga stores (technically bookstores with a manga section but you get what I mean, unless there are dedicated manga stores but I've never seen one in my country) and just sneakily leaving some copies there, next to the currently popular ones.
People are bound to pick them up and maybe if you have your socials on of your pages you could get some traction idk.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:50:46 2023 No.6974769

>>6974631
I've never heard of INKR before, uploading my stuff there now. I know it wasn't your explicit intention, but thanks for mentioning them off-hand.

Also, how does mangadex work? I've looked around at their FAQ and whatnot, but the whole site's premise seems way too complicated for simple uploading by just me (plus someone else has been uploading there on my behalf anyway, I think it's NamiComi)?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:02:11 2023 No.6974786 >>6973925 trying really お疲れ様ing

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:06:05 2023 No.6975025 >>6974769 Both INKR and NamiComi will upload your work there for you. I’m guessing that’s how the aggregate works for global translation.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:32:16 2023 No.6975042

I've realized recently that drawing expressions is possibly the most enjoyable part about drawing manga-type stuff. I guess it could be because of how long I focused on just getting faces to look right (a long time, even considering that I don't work consistently). I guess I need to figure out how to enjoy drawing clothes and hair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 14:15:54 2023 No.6975367 >>6975025 Have you tried INKR's localization/translation services? Is it easy to use? How bad is the machine translation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 14:29:01 2023 No.6975383 >>6975367 I have not. Sadly I don’t have a lot of knowledge about it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 16:41:24 2023 No.6975484 isnt there like a proper resource for structuring manga that doesnt focus on art or anatomy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 17:53:56 2023 No.6975562 File: 3.20 MB, 2544x3504, pag23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] working on chapter 3

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 18:41:04 2023 No.6975604 >>6975484 Are you talking about story pacing, or panel placement, or...? Because if you're looking at just general comic structure, stuff like Making Comics by Scott McCloud is more than enough to hit the ground running.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 21:37:10 2023 No.6975830 File: 748 KB, 738x1016, pag23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] working on chapter 3

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 22:28:24 2023 No.6975887 >>6975604 i was thinking more in the sense of like rule of thumb tips for manga layout stuff like things to look out for and stuff to remember when setting up layout

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 23:34:38 2023 No.6975965 >>6972362 Looks a lot like Takehiko Inoue's art.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 00:21:41 2023 No.6976003
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>>6975887
It's highly context dependant, that's why there aren't any guides for it. The panels on a page are determined by sense ot time, value, pacing, and even whether the page in question is about to be turned. It's just one of those things you have to hammer out more or less on your own and through a lot of trial and error.

The only thing I feel the need to point out about layers is that if you EVER intend to print, you would do well to get straight about bleed areas and cutoff zones to avoid future grief.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 00:22:58 2023 No.6976006 >>6976003 *about panels. Sorry ive been staring at a canvas for eight hours

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 00:45:29 2023 No.6976028

>>6975887
There isn't anything in terms of general layout that is more "manga" versus, say, a western comic (regardless if that means an American comic versus a French one, etc.). As >>6976003 was saying, where the main difference is in, is where you have your timing, what is focused on, what is emphasized, and the pacing of it all.

Again, Making Comics by Scott McCloud is really good on specifically this issue. If you want to see a few blurbs on how a Japanese mangaka might take McCloud's general foundation and make it a little more Japanese in terms of storytelling techniques, there's a short chapter or two in Hirohiko Araki's Manga in Theory and Practice book.

Keep in mind, though, that having read both, I still feel that McCloud's book was about 300% more immediately practically useful in terms of planning out layout, etc. After all of this, it's still just trial and error. You're not going to make the "perfect" manga the first time - you've got to just get in there and get your hands dirty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:31:54 2023 No.6976834 >>6975830 Looking good! I like the hierarchical layout of the word bubbles that guide your eye downwards across the panels.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:24:39 2023 No.6976976 File: 993 KB, 900x4050, 121323 comic1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does the paneling / plot of this makes sense? Like can you tell what I was going for with the comic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:58:01 2023 No.6977073 File: 318 KB, 800x1200, 121323 comic thing1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6976976 Ill try and finish the speech and lettering tomorrow but I gotta sleep now

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:10:36 2023 No.6977080

>>6977073
You're hiding his face with his hair. The reader won't know how feels about his body betraying him. Makes it stale. The lack of expression really makes me not care much and idk if it's just a personal thing
>>6976976
The second page, the pose of the hand in the second panel, where it's half closed,it feels out of sync with the shock on the face and in the first panel of that page. I suggest you keep the fingers straightened and shaking

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:16:11 2023 No.6977082 File: 496 KB, 720x1020, Screenshot_20231213-171126~2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Madalena in her nun outfit....Nundalena. >>6976834 Thanks, Ive been working on my paneling

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:28:12 2023 No.6977097

>>6976976
This premise seems interesting! The second page is the hardest to read; I'm assuming in the second panel on that page that she is seeing a vision of the entity that is possessing her, starting with her hand, but it's hard to tell at this stage when the visions start and when it flashes back to present. The third page is similarly hard to read in that I'm not sure where the "camera" is cutting to.
I'm assuming this will all be ironed out once you get to later stages of these pages. This has potential, though. I'm excited to see where this goes!

>>6977073
Also, good job on already having one page close to complete!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:21:48 2023 No.6977199 >>6977082 Nundalena is cute. You're slowly getting but clearly getting better at drawing, keep going!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:24:05 2023 No.6977201 /mmg/ - megaman general

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:54:54 2023 No.6977226 >>6977199 Thanks! I think you get this impression because I drew these two pages traditionally. Line weight really makes the difference.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:54:49 2023 No.6977501

Where can I find ready to use pages of screentones? Everything I can find is telling me ho to make my own from scratch with CSP's tools, and I'm tired of doing that. I just want a good set that pros use that I can just put onto a page and cut up as I need.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:58:23 2023 No.6977502 >>6977501 If you're using CSP, can't you just go onto CSP's brush/text/whatever sharing section and just download something from the community at large?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:59:09 2023 No.6977503 >>6977501 Dunno if this is useful for you, but I've been using this website to make trad screentones with clear matte sticker paper https://psychobob.xepher.net/screentonez/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:02:37 2023 No.6977505 >>6977503 I just want a huge png of like 2 or 3 tones that are good. I'm so tired of downloading brushes, trying it, realizing its not what I want, and going back to search. I'm just frustrated

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:04:41 2023 No.6977509 >>6977505 >I'm so tired of downloading brushes, trying it, realizing its not what I want, and going back to search Not everyone has to use screentones. Sounds like you might be better off in either full b/w or greyscale

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:08:49 2023 No.6977514 File: 924 KB, 2190x2955, madokamagica.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6962076 I'm going to make a hentai manga but I don't know, this is one of the many illustrations I made for /h

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:17:05 2023 No.6977520 >>6977514 Lucky for you there's hundreds of thousands of examples all over the internet.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:24:54 2023 No.6977529
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>>6969128
Finally made a general manga splash cover to put on all the hosting sites. Been nearly 3 years (and some change) since I started making AECAST and I kept forgetting to make a cover, lol.

Question for everyone - I know that different monitors have different color temperatures - how does the gold coloring look to you? I'm trying to go for that "nice hardcover tome" feel. Does the gold look ok? I'm asking cos the gold looks nice on my drawing monitor, but on my main computer monitor it looks garishly oversaturated.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:29:54 2023 No.6977532

My lack of visual library for backgrounds is really holding me back. I can draw characters in most angles without reference comfortablely, my perspective is good, but after I draw the characters and the ground plane, I literally cannot imagine a place for them to be in. I just want to draw cool action man I don't want to grind environments

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:32:37 2023 No.6977535

>>6977532
I was in your position when I started as well. I managed to get out of that rut by picking a manga I liked that had nice backgrounds and doing background panel studies. Started to appreciate putting characters in "living, breathing" environs - went from hating drawing backgrounds to possibly enjoying drawing them more than the characters, believe it or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:50:45 2023 No.6977548 >>6977509 Screentones are greyscale aren't they?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:59:07 2023 No.6977557 >>6977529 looks fine by me

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:07:13 2023 No.6977565 >>6977548 Screentones are monochrome. Their whole purpose is to fake grayscale in monochrome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 06:44:24 2023 No.6977675 File: 1.18 MB, 2480x3508, musume.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6977520 too many examples, but I like to do fucked up poses

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 07:34:58 2023 No.6977711 File: 205 KB, 749x1563, testingexpressions.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] testing

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 07:37:40 2023 No.6977713 File: 1.65 MB, 2000x3182, Ch2Pg6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6977711 never gonna get a get like that again, wow

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:59:03 2023 No.6977896 File: 3.90 MB, 4000x2625, Progress Chart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6962076 Finished my third chapter. Drawing a manga/comic has been nice because it's forced me to get out of my original comfort zone of "girls floating in voids."

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:05:26 2023 No.6977931
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I like making comics but feels like a lonely process sometimes. I know it's good to know how to do everything, then you have more control, but it gets tiring sometimes.
Also I have worked with writers before but these were paid jobs, so I was expecting too much by thinking it would end with friendship

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:56:17 2023 No.6977997 File: 781 KB, 1200x1878, 0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why don't you people ask Tony Valente how he did it? He's French but he speaks English too afaik. Pic related is his work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:57:14 2023 No.6978002 File: 196 KB, 727x1139, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More of Tony's stuff

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:57:52 2023 No.6978003 File: 721 KB, 1200x1878, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:58:46 2023 No.6978005 File: 441 KB, 1226x1920, 2c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:02:02 2023 No.6978010 File: 382 KB, 1440x1439, 71333898_2254089324702572_7742211084035031040_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He nailed the manga feel and you can actually talk to him, unlike Japanese authors

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:02:54 2023 No.6978011 File: 1.30 MB, 1920x3005, 14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Last one for now.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:06:58 2023 No.6978020
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>>6977931
>feels like a lonely process sometimes
Not sometimes, all the times because nobody gives a shit about your work except you and there is not a pot of gold waiting for you at the top of your monitor screen ready to be plucked after you finish your work/drawing either. You're going to have to pull that weight and finish what you start even if it bears no fruit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:08:42 2023 No.6978024 File: 67 KB, 1260x630, 1697915511721.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6978020

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:13:15 2023 No.6978039 >>6978024 I'm more interested in his failures and short comings before he got successful with one out of the hundreds of other attempts at making it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:16:47 2023 No.6978048 >>6978039 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yTnas55xWc Listen to his interview here.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:13:22 2023 No.6978168
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>>6977931
I don't find making comics/mangas that lonely. maybe its just me. I think you need a certain personality to enjoy making them.
Most normies probably are not suited to it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:17:30 2023 No.6978176

>>6978168
Making any kind of comic/manga (and most definitely anything beyond 3-4 panels) is a niche activity of a niche activity. It's already hard enough to get someone to break from the normie mold of "only consume, no make" and get them to dedicate themselves to actually draw something (let alone good). It takes another huge effort to make the jump into trying to drag everything together, kicking and screaming, into something that resembles a story with an actual plot/world.

Only weirdos are gonna be going that far, let's all be honest here.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:40:58 2023 No.6978212

>>6978168
I enjoy it and it's pretty much my main job now. I guess after spending 5-10 hours a day working on comics by myself in my office, I start wishing for someone else to talk to about the process.
Before comics were my job, I worked a usual wage slave job and had more normie contact.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:32:39 2023 No.6978282 >>6977997 You cant compare the french market to the american one, it utterly dwarfs it in money and support

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:54:02 2023 No.6978424 >>6978282 You mean the American one dwarfs the french one, right?

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:28:20 2023 No.6978533

>>6977931
Yes, it's quite lonely. It can be difficult to reach out to other authors too.

>>6977997
Because I'm not curious as to how he made it. Not to say I don't like his work though.

>>6978010
You can actually talk to him in the same way you can actually talk to any professional out there -- yes, we can communicate, but you still have to reach out to them out of the blue. The more popular and famous they are the more likely they are to not see or not care to respond to your DM/email/whatever. He's a busy guy, and so am I.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:04:50 2023 No.6978648 Does anyone have any fonts similar to Wildwords to use for spanish translations?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 05:11:52 2023 No.6978997 Does anyone have any good manga recommendation for a series that uses highly detailed backgrounds with traditional screen tones? I don't like the digital greyscale look

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:52:37 2023 No.6979233 >>6978997 Otoyomegatari. Lady that makes it does it by hand. She's posted screenshots of pages in process sitting on her desk before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:36:16 2023 No.6979481 >>6979233 Its perfect, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 21:51:02 2023 No.6979775 >>6978997 Really, pretty much any manga once printed. Tones by design are uniform, so after printing digital tones are indistinguishable from analog tones.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 21:57:07 2023 No.6979778 >>6966774 never read jojo but the first few of these are just imitation of tetsuo hara

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 00:35:59 2023 No.6979956 How much do hentai mangaka make?

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 00:50:10 2023 No.6979968

>>6979956
Which one? It depends on sales and other factors. Are they commercially published, or doujinshi? Which publisher? Are they relatively new authors, or industry veterans?
Doujinshi depends entirely on sales (maybe fanbox patronage too) so you can just look their works up and calculate how much they've made going off the sales (keeping in mind a lot of those were probably bought on sale).
For commercially published authors, they make a page rate that varies by publisher and by their seniority. They also get paid royalties -- typically 10% on print sales (I don't know where to find numbers on print sales though other than self-reporting from the publisher) and splitting the digital royalties 50-50 with the publisher (after the platform takes their cut).
If their work has been adapted then they (probably? I have no experience with this bit) got paid a lump sum for the adaptation rights and that's it. I have no idea how selling figures/merch of their characters factors into their profits, if it's even profitable at all.

Some authors make money hand-over-fist, some struggle. Same as all forms of authorship.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:53:47 2023 No.6980061

>>6979968
Where do japanese artists even go when they get XYZ character, hentai or not, transformed into a fully fleshed-out 3d statute/model? Always thought if I saved up enough scratch I would think about getting it done for my characters. And I'm not talking about those companies that do shitty renditions for $50 - I'm talking about the GOOD shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:57:04 2023 No.6980064 >>6980061 Japan has a whole industry of super talented garage kit hobby sculptors man, don't even bother looking into the rabbit hole because you will be green with envy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:02:00 2023 No.6980212 >>6980064 Goddammit. I don't want to be stuck with something like a nendroid being the "nicest" custom thing we can get (assuming they'll even make it for you regardless).

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:28:47 2023 No.6980237

>>6980212
There are plenty of skilled freelance 3d modelers out there. There also exist companies who 3d print (resin) custom anime figures, I'm sure contracting two separate smaller companies would be way cheaper than what a nip company would charge anyhow

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:04:50 2023 No.6980255

>watch video of manga at work
>entire page is sketched out and shaded with pencil
>it already looks amazing
>he could just release it like that
>he VEEEERRY SLLOOOOWWLLY inks the page with a pen

is this real or are they hamming it up for the camera? How the fuck can you spend 6 hours on one page and not kill yourself? I'm busting my ass trying to draw one panel and here they are drawing godlike art TWICE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:08:39 2023 No.6980257 >>6980255 You're surprised successful adults have patience?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 07:38:50 2023 No.6980363 >>6980257 yes

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:28:03 2023 No.6980505

>>6980255
>>6980257
For me, it's actually the opposite; I used to have intricate patience for tedious inking and linework when I was a kid.
Now as an adult, I can hardly stand to draw a separate layer over the sketch to ink. It just feels like I'm drawing the same thing twice and wasting more time that could be dedicated to making progress on other pages. I've tried "cleaning up the sketch" on one layer, but even now I can hardly be bothered to spend any time on that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:23:14 2023 No.6980990 File: 170 KB, 549x440, rat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6963030 Since comicfury decided to be a bitch I will return to old tapas: Chapter 2: https://tapas.io/episode/3041236

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:33:52 2023 No.6981003 >>6980990 What happened with comicfury?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:36:32 2023 No.6981008 >>6981003 I updated some old chapters and now every time I read them, they are out of order. I did everything I could but it didn't work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:34:47 2023 No.6981167 I've been going through my old youtube subscriptions of people back in 2009-2010 who were trying to become mangaka, some were promising. They're all dead channels now but I'm wondering if they made it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:59:30 2023 No.6981281 >>6981167 >wanting to be a mangaka Ngmi >wanting to make manga Gmi

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:00:06 2023 No.6981327
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Sorry for intruding. Another day, another step closer to making a full doujin. A little step in an infinitely long road, but a step nonetheless I guess...?
I keep having to fight my bad habit of making the heads too big. Constructions, constructions, I know.
I'm still afraid of working with #000000 black, too, which I think led to this gray-ish muddied look? Sort of like old early 00's badly scanned raws blurriness? Definitely a mental block I need to overcome. Sorry.
Anything else anons would like to pick apart?

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:04:50 2023 No.6981333

>>6981327
Don't mix flat grays with screentones, commit to one or the other.
If you're using CSP you can swap between them very easily -- place all your tone layers in a single folder, then you can convert the entire folder back and forth with the Screentone button in the Layer Properties tab.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:18:35 2023 No.6981340 >>6981327 I thought that the goggles on the bottom left were an internal view, and kept trying to figure out what was inside the intestines. Looks fine on zoom, am retar

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:36:15 2023 No.6981388 File: 295 KB, 700x646, 1000 yard stare.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the bear in the big dumb boat comic is now online https://globalcomix.com/c/new-project/chapters/en/1/1

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 08:02:01 2023 No.6981402 when do you know you're done a page? I jut keep sinking hours and hours fixing things or trying new composition. After 5 hours I can change maybe one eye.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 08:03:35 2023 No.6981403 I’m scared of my one-shot being stolen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 08:28:44 2023 No.6981420 >>6981403 Then keep it locked away and make sure no one ever sees it. EVER!

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:49:58 2023 No.6981550

>>6980255
I always remember Vilppu's lesson when he was teaching gesture.
It looks fast because that's what he wants you to feel, so an an amateur you think they were moving their hands quickly. In reality, the pencil's movement was slow and meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:18:43 2023 No.6981563 >>6962076 What happened to the manben site? When did it shut down?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:26:35 2023 No.6981811 File: 396 KB, 1339x1734, IMG_0016.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Trying to draw myself on manga shading but getting my messy wavy hair right has been hard, any help to make it more sim-le and how to get the highlights right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:30:01 2023 No.6981814 >>6981811 >Highlights on hair Unironically copy some Loomis art, his hair highlights always looked great to me

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:41:52 2023 No.6981923
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I need some help. The page before
>>6977082 will be about Madalena thinking about what she should do and remembering the past, slowly changing into the flashback of the next page.

The thing is, I kind of don't know how to create a creative panel sequence for it. some suggestions?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:56:20 2023 No.6981934 >>6981923 Fade to black, fade to white, show some glowing dust motes, do that "wiggly water effect" as a filter, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:15:23 2023 No.6981944 File: 984 KB, 2048x1536, GBlCwWXakAAmY05.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6980061 I want to know this too. I want to get some statue figures of the oi girls made one day

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:09:56 2023 No.6982001 >>6981944 is that you? Now that's quite a bit better than your usual art

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:30:26 2023 No.6982088 >>6981388 I think you have a pretty unique sense of humor, but sometimes it's kind of difficult to understand what's happening either because of the joke itself, like in the first comic (what exactly did he get from the delivery?) or the paneling.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:59:37 2023 No.6982116 >>6982001 When I don't rush my art is better. I'm also good at watercolor but rarely use it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 00:58:02 2023 No.6982198 >>6982088 thanks. I've been told that my readability sucks hard, trying to work on it the first few pages are sort of a tie-in to the /crab/ tourney, it's a box of crab juice. I don't know if there's a way to make that one properly understandable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:15:52 2023 No.6982286 >>6982116 Oh man, now that I know your real power level is >>6981944, this is what I wished every panel of your comic looked like. I know you can't due to time constraints, but still, an anon can dream.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 03:04:36 2023 No.6982345

>>6982286
I need to grind fundies hard and work on my weaknesses so I can draw anatomy more consistently and faster. I don't really know how to get better, and probably could be working smarter when I do try to improve. Do you have any youtube tutorials you think could help me? In particular I need to improve at backgrounds and anatomy, especially male anatomy. I have the drive but not the skill or talent to capture everything in my head. I reread Oi 3 recently and while I'm happy enough with the storytelling and writing, u didn't like how sloppy and rushed I made so many panels. I also felt like "I can draw better than this, but the comic doesn't show it." Next year I want to try to make atleast one one-shot where I go as hard as I can in every panel and not be sloppy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 03:05:37 2023 No.6982346 >>6982345 >u didn't like how sloppy and rushed I made so many panels *I didn't like, I meant to say

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 03:09:40 2023 No.6982353 File: 570 KB, 785x1152, Imagem (47).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Opening page for chapter 1. I like opening pages so I decided to draw it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 03:13:11 2023 No.6982357
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>>6982345
Working on fixing your weaknesses is how you wind up with correct but unremarkable artwork. Instead, focusing on your strengths is how you wind up with flawed but stylish and memorable work.
Some people can have both, but if I had to choose I'd be going for the latter. Of course, it's a lot harder to identify the strengths of your own work than the flaws.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 04:22:22 2023 No.6982424
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>>6980061
>>6981944
i actually can comment on this, i was working for a wargaming kickstarter for a while there, just approach instagram 3d modelists, you need someone who has SOME form of design brain so you can revise and return critiques, the obvious go to is the fiverr slavs, but they are living breathing 3d copy machines and unless you provide Every. single. angle. and a full write up in preschool english, they can't deliver, or they half ass it and you have to spend more money to get someone with a soul to fix their models.

Pic related is the concept page we sent to an insta guybased ion brit-bong, cost us 300 AUD, for 3 variant models. we liked his models but he wasnt filling the brief of making them scale appropriate but was able to listen to feedback and we got it sorted, they also were not water tight, and were finnicky for STL 3d prints

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 04:39:29 2023 No.6982448 File: 3.36 MB, 854x480, ZBrush 2022-09-21 15-13-31 (1) (1).webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6982424 pic rel, some results

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 11:59:04 2023 No.6982704 >>6982345 Youtube tutorial? Why specifically youtube tutorials to get better at drawing a comic/manga? I'd just say normally you just have to keep practicing, or do studies of artwork that's closer to what you want yours to look like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:01:22 2023 No.6982707 >>6982424 Can you expand on your last sentence about not being water-tight and STL prints?

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 13:30:30 2023 No.6982772
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>>6982424
i mainly mean there were details sitting out in the void, that would prove a challenge for the 3d printers, for example on the birds hands, instead of being one connected object of hand to staff, the modeller had visible gaps between the palm and the shaft, meaning that in its raw state at the scale we were wanting to produce at, the 3d printer had WAY more chance of resin pooling in places that had already cured, losing definition and producing misprints.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:11:32 2023 No.6982847

>>6982704
I haven't used those youtube tutorials that exist before but assumed maybe they could help me get better. I learn the best with teachers in person but don't have the time or resources these days to attend drawing classes. I'll just do more studies.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:45:49 2023 No.6982942

>>6982847
I'm not trying to say that you can't do youtube videos or anything, it's just that drawing is way more "learn as you go" than other subjects by its very nature. But studies are always a good thing to do - lots of mangakas started as kids just doing panel studies in addition to fundamentals. I figure good enough for them, good enough for me/us.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:01:12 2023 No.6982958
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>>6981008
You need to make sure the dates are in complete chronological order, that includes the hour/minutes.

Kind of a pain in the ass but I appreciate the level of customization it can offer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:13:25 2023 No.6982971 >>6982958 Wtf where do I change that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:19:03 2023 No.6982975 File: 39 KB, 1190x620, 98738979374932723.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6982971 its in the upload or editing form, there's a panel that says "release date"

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:55:47 2023 No.6983072

>>6982847
David Finch is an American comic artist but his Youtube channel has some really great videos that apply to manga as well. He has videos on both anatomy and perspective that may prove useful. I do like your art the way it is now if it's any consolation
>>6982707
Not him, but I think he's talking about Resin 3d printing. STL is the usual filetype used and water-tightness is generally a way to know if a Model has a complete shell or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:36:09 2023 No.6983105 File: 874 KB, 2015x997, [Deus Ex Machina] .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Advice for avoiding stiffness?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:54:30 2023 No.6983128 File: 1.27 MB, 1133x1600, lidica.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did this page based on a weird event in the game epic7 that is going on right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 20:21:09 2023 No.6983159 File: 798 KB, 1364x1589, IMG_9902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Took me 1 hour. copied. I’m trying to learn to turn any real picture into a manga drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 20:22:10 2023 No.6983162 >>6983105 Exagerate the rotation of the body parts and the acute angles, aka gesture

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:25:18 2023 No.6983312 File: 546 KB, 850x1200, 20220402_152047.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I used to love doing random comic pages in manga style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 23:22:35 2023 No.6983361 File: 615 KB, 748x1081, pag24.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eh, not like what I wanted but I'll stick to it

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 23:56:03 2023 No.6983395
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>>6983105
I would say to work on the lines weight and to follow a pattern, for example: make all the lines follow one direction. I'm not the best, but I tried to make an example here

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:17:40 2023 No.6983417 >>6983312 You should keep it up, this looks good as.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:29:29 2023 No.6983435 Thi shsitty board is so dead bruh

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:46:07 2023 No.6983453

>>6983435
Good, it means the people who could be busy drawing are busy drawing. I know I am, so I only really post when I have some advice or feedback to give somebody.
If you want a thread full of people who should be making comics but are instead making shitposts and drama, might I recommend HYW?

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 02:56:52 2023 No.6983563

I have an idea for the thread. Someone writes a storyboard or script for a single page comic and then everyone draws their interpretation of the text. Would be great practice and a good way to bounce ideas and criticisms off each other since we'd be working off the same source. What do you guys think? Would this work as an /mmg/ thing or should it be its own thread?

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:17:27 2023 No.6983586

>>6983563
Group activities like this are kind of its own thing. /mmg/ is filled with people that are by and large already working on their own project and only come in during small water breaks. It's why some iterations of /mmg/ can end up lasting forever while some go by pretty fast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:52:19 2023 No.6983620 >>6983563 I ain't working for free breh

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 06:40:28 2023 No.6983769 Where is hentanon? I need some tips on how to make breasts look good in black and white.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 07:18:31 2023 No.6983787 >>6983769 >Where is hentanon? Haven't gone anywhere. >I need some tips on how to make breasts look good in black and white. Find an artist who draws tits the way you like and copy them.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 07:58:18 2023 No.6983805
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Have you guys figured anything out that's helped you speed up your workflow?

I find that working with a round brush that has a small amount of size-jitter, and not changing its size often, is best for me.
Like yeah the lines aren't as nice looking as if I laboured it with the G-Pen, but it's WAY faster and it kinda feels like a tech pen.

I'm still slow, way too slow, but I'm looking for ways that might help.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 08:01:55 2023 No.6983807 >>6983805 draw using vector lines

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 08:06:09 2023 No.6983811 >>6983807 You find vectors useful on characters? I only use them for backgrounds and panels It kinda bothers me how I draw a line and it kinda wobbles and changes shape a bit after I let go

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 08:07:54 2023 No.6983812 >>6983811 Then use control points to change it. I'm also sure you can adjust the auto correction (I'm assuming you are using CSP)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 08:31:02 2023 No.6983817 >>6969851 Best one

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 11:12:32 2023 No.6983896 File: 189 KB, 1280x960, 8F9E1458-DE98-4822-9689-629CBFA0D57B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6977514 Good luck

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:11:02 2023 No.6983927

comics really scale up in time needed, its crazy. If you have 30 pages, just spending 2 minutes adding a tiny detail on every page like hair highlights is already an hour gone. |A whole hour doing something so small and insignificant. I'm slowly chipping away but every time I have to redraw something I dont like, its doubling the ETA. I am in awe at how professionals do it.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:55:17 2023 No.6983967
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>>6983805
>Have you guys figured anything out that's helped you speed up your workflow?
I have some great tips for speeding up workflow , but my workflow has been trash lately so I'll shut up for now.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 13:08:32 2023 No.6983974

Anyone else sfw and get asked to make a nsfw comic? Someone asked me about it, but I wasn't sure if this is going to fuck me in the future since I'd have to use my real name for artist credits
Might be able to charge more than my usual rate but I'm not sure yet

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:44:31 2023 No.6984100
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>>6983974
I've been contacted directly across various social media platforms to draw the girls as either 1) lewd pinups, 2) lewd [insert mostly normie fetish here], or 3) a straight up NSFW comic.

I don't know if I'll ever get around to doing some of that, but if I did I would most certainly create an entirely different account with links going to my SFW account but not the other way. Too many people get pointless pissy about XYZ nowadays.

>>6983927
Keep in mind that a lot of the professionals have direct assistants, and some of those assistants have their own assistants as well. I try to keep that in mind whenever I get frustrated with my own production output.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:51:25 2023 No.6984108 File: 367 KB, 1200x1693, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6983974 Official author and artist of Freezing! made porn under the name MOONZERO I would only do it if you feel comfortable with people knowing about it in the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:51:16 2023 No.6984184 >>6984100 >I've been contacted directly across various social media platforms to draw the girls as either 1) lewd pinups, 2) lewd [insert mostly normie fetish here], or 3) a straight up NSFW comic. Damn this must sucks

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:57:32 2023 No.6984190

>>6984100
>>6984108
Thanks for the advice, anons. Not sure what to do, but I'm thinking it over.
Also I only saw SFW but I have some followers who really like my designs. I've had a guy send me multiple artworks of my characters getitng fucked
It's flattering I guess, I always thank him but it's kind of weird

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:12:50 2023 No.6984204

>>6984184
>>6984190
I've given the subject some thought ever since the first NSFW request comment slid across my desk. Small monologue:

On one hand, it feels strange to have people requesting lewds of characters you've made, especially if you've not exactly made yourself known as an "official" NSFW artist. You're invested in these characters you've created and put to paper/screen, and now you're getting people who want to see them in a variety of nude poses. It can feel like people don't care about whatever it is you've made, and just want to jump straight to monke brain to jack off. There's also the concern about having your account or overall "brand" get tainted with being NSFW forevermore - as the requesters see it, you've already done it once or twice, why not more?

On the other hand, getting NSFW requests or receiving NSFW fanart of your original work is extremely flattering. It means that you've created characters that people enjoy enough that they want to see more of (in the literal sense lol), in some cases so much that they took time out of their lives to make it. In a way it's the most genuine and sincere compliment you can receive short of receiving regular SFW fanart.

My stance at this point is that I'm likely to not draw anything officially lewd of my girls as I feel it would detract from the (relatively) serious story I want to tell, but if others want to draw stuff, I'm more than grateful that they cared enough to do so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:22:35 2023 No.6984217 >>6984204 What plataforms do you post? I only know you from tapas

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:42:33 2023 No.6984244

>>6984217
Webcomic: Tapas, GlobalComix, NamiComi, and X/Insta.
Single panels/pics: Pixiv, DeviantArt, Tumblr, a few subreddits, and of course X/Insta.

It may be simply because there's so many more people on reddit, but almost all the lewd requests come from there, lol. Those SFW subreddits are ironically way more horny than a board like /ic/.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:07:15 2023 No.6984278

>>6984204
I don't know that I would ever do straight-up porn or hentai, but I have some nudity/ecchi in my comics.

But it isn't really so much "lewd" nudity, if that makes sense. If I use nudity, it is mostly used in situations of vulnerability, defenselessness, or purity (not like, virginal purity, but purity as in "We came into the world this way, and this is sort of our true form, in all of its perfection and imperfection").

People just have different levels of, I guess, "protectiveness" of their characters. I often see people refer to their characters as being like their children, but I never saw it as that. I see my characters as people with lives, trials, triumphs, failures, successes, weaknesses, strengths, etc. of their own. I just see them as other people that exist, completely independent of me.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:14:26 2023 No.6984286
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>>6984278
>>6984278
I agree with your take regarding treatment of characters, I feel that's the best way to go about things. Just let your characters "be." Creations are supposed to take on a life of their own.

Regarding nudity portrayed for non-sexual purposes, it's funny you mention that. In contrast to all the coomer requests I've received, I've also gotten people upset when they saw I drew a demon simply walking down the hall in the nude in Chapter 1. My stance on it was that demons aren't humans, so they don't have any care about human rules of modesty, but there was still some complaining nevertheless lol. Wonder how they're like when they go and see Greco-Roman statues portrayed in the buff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:26:24 2023 No.6984315 >>6984286 >Reddit always complaining and demanding but never contributing with a single like Classic

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:53:39 2023 No.6984355 >>6984286 I like this a lot, do you have a link to your comic? I also like your approach to nudity regarding demons not following the same customs as humans, and thus would not care about being seen naked, as it's the most natural for them.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:03:31 2023 No.6984373
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>>6984204
Thanks for the insight anon. I appreciate fanart of any kind with my OCs, even if it's "hey here's your OC getting dicked, hope you like it"
The project I got asked about aren't my characters, so I don't feel any connection to them. Upon further thinking, there are some comic artists like Tula Lotay, who draws both sfw and nsfw content and maintains a positive reputation.
Maybe I'm just a prude too kek, I don't know

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:14:31 2023 No.6984387

>>6984355
Sup anon, thanks for asking. You can find general links here: >>6969128.

>>6984373
Nah, I don't think it's you being a prude. It might just simply be a case of internal whiplash cos you're used to seeing the characters one way, then you're suddenly shown them getting railed hardcore. Would make anyone do a double-take.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:17:20 2023 No.6984391
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>>6984204
I understand you. I don't mind lewding the Oi girls, especially for commissions. I enjoy drawing porn commissions of my characters more than I do drawing porn commissions of established IPs. I think it's cool that people like my characters enough to pay for commissions of them. I'd never draw my characters doing anything too degrading but luckily no one has asked for that yet, apart from one anon who really wanted me to draw Rhiannon getting fucked by a seal. No bueno.
>>6982357
Judging by social media and online engagements, my strengths are drawing catfight fetish comics lol. I like drawing girls wrestling and fighting, but I'm not sure I'd want to do a longrunning comic about it. All the catfight commissions I've drawn over the past few years have helped me improve my skills atleast. I have to focus on getting better at drawing guys because I want the next oneshots I'm planning to feature strong dudes and less emphasis on waifuism.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:18:07 2023 No.6984394

>>6984204
No one's going to permenantly label you as "that guy" unless you start posting really explicit stuff. A tasteful pinup or ecchi will get attention but most people have the ability to 'read the room'. However, the personal limit for what's appropriate is understandable. I think you can potentially give people the wrong ideas if you're not careful about what you post publicly too so that's something to consider. You can't stop people from drawing or posting things of your characters but some people have their foot on the gas waiting for you to give the green to go apeshit.

The worst kinds of people who gotten the wrong ideas about my work only do so because they're completely sick in the head nose deep in coom. They literally won't read and will just say anything thinking I will just do it.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:03:58 2023 No.6984698

>>6983974
>>6984100
>>6984190
>>6984204
>contacted
>asked
>requested
I sure hope you guys aren't considering doing it for free. Even if you want to draw porn of your characters, if people are requesting you do it then you should be sending them your prices as a response. Do not just give people free requests (unless you asked them for ideas to start with), otherwise they'll never stop pestering you to draw x character doing this or that for them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:26:00 2023 No.6984721 If you're good at something, never do it for free

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:49:17 2023 No.6984893 New thread is at: >>>6984892 >>>6984892 >>>6984892

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