/int/ & /beg/ - Intermediate and Beginners Thread

[Anonymous No.6913271]

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous thread: >>6911248

[Anonymous No.6913283]

Attention actual beginners: "Loomis is a hack" is a stupid meme. Filter the poster out and move on with your life. It's one massive faggot posting it. If you pay attention to this kind of stuff, it's only going to waste your time. Some people just like wasting others' time.

Yes, Loomis is well known in Japan. Yes, Loomis has been referenced for a long time. Yes, Loomis has been used in many curricula. No, he's not perfect. No teacher will be perfect for you, but you need to learn what you can, practice it, and keep what is most useful for you. But you won't know what's most useful to you until after you've had more mileage.

Use the hide post function and get drawing.

[Anonymous No.6913287]

>>6913271
Remember:
before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you
1. your full name - name and surname
2. the address of your current residence
3. the address of your workplace
4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any
5. your annual wage, before and after tax
6. your license plate
7. your place of birth
8. the names of your parents
9. your credit card number and the expiration date
and finally you MUST post your work.
If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.
Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.
https://rentry.org/za5t5

Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.

[Anonymous No.6913288]

>>6913283
>Attention actual beginners: "Loomis is a hack" is a stupid meme.

please post your work great supreme professional artist

[Anonymous No.6913292]

[Anonymous No.6913294]

>>6913288
Attention beginners, this is an example of a post that you should just hide. Not worth engaging with either A: actual retards, or B: faggots acting in bad faith

[Anonymous No.6913297]

dtiys

[Anonymous No.6913310]

>>6913294
thats what i thought, you wont post your work.

[Anonymous No.6913313]

>>6913294
post your work

[Anonymous No.6913317]

>>6913294
you cant be trash and try to give advice

[Anonymous No.6913323]

>>6913294
PYW

[Anonymous No.6913326]

Jesus fucking Christ man

[Anonymous No.6913327]

Jannies working overtime the last thread

[Anonymous No.6913330]

[Anonymous No.6913331]

>>6913283
>>6913294


alfavit?

[Anonymous No.6913333]

What would you do with these lines? I dont want to have heavy lines, never know what to do with the line art

[Anonymous No.6913337]

nope. i don’t think i’ll be drawing in this thread, either.

[Anonymous No.6913338]

>>6913287
your a nigger

[Anonymous No.6913339]

>>6913333
maybe you can save a new version and merge the layers and then keep working on it until the lines are gone. does that sound reasonable?

[Anonymous No.6913353]

>>6913330
I would prefer 5 pawells over you at this point

[Anonymous No.6913365]

wish i didnt find krenz so late, now i gotta start from the very basics again

[Anonymous No.6913371]

>>6913283
This. The Nihonjin love western art instruction in general.

[Anonymous No.6913400]

guy which construction method is better left or right or are they both dogpoopies

[Anonymous No.6913403]

>>6913400
ref

[Anonymous No.6913407]

>>6913333
>>6913339
Agreed, merge it down and keep working on it. The lines will fade and they can bring a bit of texture, too.

[Anonymous No.6913418]

>>6913400
>cylinder for torso

Now I've really seen it all. The answer is which ever one works for you, try both out on multiple drawings, seen which one works better, or feels better.

[Anonymous No.6913420]

>>6913418
the torso can be seen as a tube, so a cylinder works, tube and an egg

[Anonymous No.6913427]

>>6913418
I mean I got it from the Rinotuna course, I don't know if it's actually helpful or just a tool to understand the human form in terms of 3D.

[Anonymous No.6913453]

Anatomy a bit off but i was proud of this one.

[Anonymous No.6913455]

How do you "push the pose"? are you supposed to copy the ref incorrectly? anyone have any visual examples?

[Anonymous No.6913458]

>>6913455
nobody copies anything correctly except the 0.01% of people who can unironically xerox copy photo-realistically
think about that for a second
then you will have your answer

[Anonymous No.6913459]

>>6913453
This is really cool

[Anonymous No.6913479]

>>6913458
I've been criticized for copying the ref too much before. Sometimes it's a real life photo, sometimes I'll use someone elses art for a pose I want or I liked the way they drew something but whenever I show the comparisons, people accuse me of tracing or tell me that it's a little too inspired by a particular artist even though I'm not actually tracing and just copying through observation

[Anonymous No.6913485]

>>6913365
>wish i didnt find krenz so late, now i gotta start from the very basics again
What did you learn from Krenz and how is it helping you?

[Anonymous No.6913503]

Just a study on Fechin (I'm getting used to Procreate) thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6913521]

What's your favorite software?

[Anonymous No.6913537]

>>6913283
>But you won't know what's most useful to you until after you've had more mileage.
How much mileage?
Is decades of failure enough mileage?

[Anonymous No.6913553]

>>6913521
I prefer photoshop, procreate is still weirder for me

[Anonymous No.6913556]

feet study after dodging it for so long
feet are hard to draw...

>>6913297
thick thighs
too bad they deleted the ref

>>6913521
csp

[Anonymous No.6913559]

>>6913556
nigga is doing math to draw toes lmaooo

[Anonymous No.6913575]

would anyone know what some good perspective books are? extreme bonus points if they're in anime style or written by a japanese artist since that's the style of art i'm shooting for

[Anonymous No.6913592]

for the anons that was asking about the timer
>>/ic/thread/6363698

[Anonymous No.6913593]

does anyone have suggestions for drawing “realistic” noses in an anime style? think Naoki Urasawa’s art, he draws different types of noses but it’s still blatantly anime. all of the Japanese/Korean art help books I see draw anime noses or don’t place too much focus on faces

[Anonymous No.6913600]

Sup beg, maybe i should draw 1 head 1000 times instead of 1000 heads 1 time

>>6913521
My top two apps (from all i tried so far)
1. krita: bit depth, ui, brush engine, performance, free. Nothing better really
2. rebelle: oil and water colors. i legit had a dude who asked me if did it in trad. thats how good it is. its performance is trash though
Now my time trial for CSP ran out, i have to say its functions and UI are very good, but i cannot take seriously drawing app which lags during drawing. I am yet to try out corel painter, art rage, affinity photo and infinity painter
>>6913503
it is missing few hard edges but it is very good
>>6913455
to push the pose means to ENHANCE, HIGHLIGHT, exaggerate. To put it bluntly: alter the reality on your canvas to make your drawing better. Practical example: you are coom drawer: your ref is realistically woman spreading her pussy lips. But a lot of people are turned off by realistic drawing of flappy pussy. So you draw ideal innie vagina and while you are at it you increase size of boobs and make angle of her arm more elegant. this principle can be applied to literally anything, even basic pose of human
>>6913453
i kneel
>>6913575
Dongho Kim: Space Drawing Perspective
it is korean, but for weeb that should be no difference

[Anonymous No.6913601]

>>6913593
just draw a lot of realistic faces and try to simplify them down
that's the only way, as you have more experiences with drawing features you will invent more advanced symbols (i.e stylize) to suit your taste

[Anonymous No.6913602]

>>6913600
>Dongho Kim: Space Drawing Perspective
im checking it out, but isn't it covering more about the perspective of landscapes? what if I'm trying to learn the perspective of character drawings, like how eyes look from various angles?

[Anonymous No.6913609]

man, I wish I could draw better to more dramatically show the world my level of antisemitism

[Anonymous No.6913616]

>Autistic, ADHD
>Have never been good at hand writing no matter how much I've tried.
>Tried learning Source Filmmaker as a teen and gave up immediately and couldn't figure out the UI
>Same thing happened with gamemaker
>Can't figure out basic trigonometry
>Essential tremors fucks up everything I try doing
Am I legitimately too retarded to be an artist? Is there really any hope for me? I'm also starting at the age of 24. Am I just refusing to accept reality?

I'm literally just sitting here watching as everyone improves but I can't even start.

[Anonymous No.6913617]

>>6913616
>autism
>adhd

that are just modern excuses of parrents to justify their kids low IQ, sorry bro, you're just retarded.

[Anonymous No.6913618]

What are techniques you use to energize yourself and stay disciplined to practice for most of the day?

[Anonymous No.6913628]

>>6913556
Genuine question, can’t we just say 2 thirds of x and 2 thirds of y?

[Anonymous No.6913632]

>>6913213

Pushing the pose is about thinking of what the pose is doing and where it's going to emphasize what the body is experiencing. How do you make it a more extreme version of what it is? What is the idea behind the pose? You're trying to communicate to the audience what the figure is feeling both literally and psychologically. Oh this person is sad? Their body language will be pushed in that direction and you can choose to take it further.

Is the figure lying down? How much can I push the pose into feeling lazier? They aren't going to spring into action, they let their body surrender to gravity. A hammock is a pretty good visual metaphor to use. It dips in the middle due to gravity bringing down, the figure will do the same to a certain extent.

[Anonymous No.6913640]

>>6913616
>>Autistic, ADHD
Put a pistol in your mouth every time you feel like slacking.

[Anonymous No.6913646]

>>6913628
yes

[Anonymous No.6913651]

>>6913616
Stop asking retarded questions and start drawing faggot, stop thinking, start drawing. Literally just draw, put your phone away, uninstall tiktok and block youtube and 4chan for 20 hours a day. Use your own fucking brain man, do you want to learn to draw? Do you like drawing? If yes then fucking do it, if not, then stop. You need to keep with a hobby, stop abandoning things, you need to develop your discipline, discipline means doing stuff even when you don't want to. Some people just can't get enough of drawing, they love it are addicted to it. Not all of us have this drive, so you need to force it and make your brain love it. Your brain needs to develop Stockholm syndrome with the things you find boring, develop discipline or die a loser.

[Anonymous No.6913662]

>>6913616
question, are you good at any videogame? If you can learn vidya mechanics then you can learn whatever the fuck you want. Stop thinking drawing is hard and see it in the most simple way possible

[Anonymous No.6913666]

>>6913662
>Are you good at any video games
Not really no. I can't fucking strategize or plan anything. Tf2 filters me. That's how retarded I am.
>>6913651
I need my phone to learn how to draw and look at references. That's not an option.
Block YouTube?
Then I'll scroll on Twitter
Block Twitter?
Then I'll go on discord
Block discord?
Then I'll just sit and stare at a wall doing nothing.
There's nothing that will make me more motivated to actually draw and be productive.

[Anonymous No.6913669]

>>6913537
What a pointless post. Go draw

[Anonymous No.6913677]

>>6913521
Photoshop on pc, art studio pro on ipad for me. I have CSP but I'm too accustomed to photoshop.

>>6913616
Is this a genuine post? Are you the anon that keeps making those ADHD threads? Is this just the newest pasta?

>>6913503
I like some of the shapes. What are you focusing on in your studies?

[Anonymous No.6913689]

>>6913669
Please answer me zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6913696]

>>6913677
I'm being genuine. I legitimately have no hobbies, friends or a life. I want commit myself to something.

[Anonymous No.6913698]

>>6913677
Yes, it is a genuine post.

[Anonymous No.6913705]

>>6913616
Take it from a senpai, it's never going to get any better. Instead, dedicate yourself to educating others about how some are destined to fail.

Artists have a specific mental block that renders them unable to imagine alternative possibilities, like >>6913662 who only has a "if->else" argument even though there are clearly at least two possible options from what he's presented. For someone who claims to be capable of drawing, he's not able to think outside of the box.

[Anonymous No.6913707]

>>6913705
And to emphasize this: I'm almost 31.
I've been failing to draw since before you were born.

[Anonymous No.6913718]

>doing abit of art exercises
>remember one mention of 'Line confidence' awhile back
>look through google more thoroughly
>realize 'its all due to how I sketch'
>sketch out art with a pen, then fill in with the pen again
>erase lines in program
theirs afew other problems I found how I cant just complete a line from point A to point B and its more apparent when I do hair where it just fucks off where ever and yet I like doing it, maybe a touch too much. will exercise further.

[Anonymous No.6913727]

Day 16 of learning the basics n whatnot. Did more doodlin, did more studies and did more line art stuff. Was pretty rough in the line art department though, especially in my Master studies of horikoshi. The proportions were way off in both of em and my lineart made what I was referencing waaaay more crappy, in both the mushrooms and master study, but it is what it isssss. hopefully it gets easier eventually.

[Anonymous No.6913729]

>>6913727
>Barely two weeks in
>Already /int/
This is fucking bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6913740]

>>6913727
How old are you? Genuine question.

[Anonymous No.6913749]

>>6913727
cute mush family! you should study some human anatomy, bakugou’s missing some lines for his neck and arm. otherwise gmi

[Anonymous No.6913750]

[Anonymous No.6913756]

>>6913729
>>6913740
>>6913749
anons, this was his Day 2, he wasn't a complete beginner when he started this countdown

[Anonymous No.6913763]

>>6913705
>>6913677
>>6913662
So am I just legitimately fucked and I'll never be able to do anything?

[Anonymous No.6913767]

>>6913763
With that mentality of course you are.

[Anonymous No.6913768]

>>6913763
what makes you think that?

[Anonymous No.6913772]

>>6913763
That's up to you, anon. No one can be disciplined for you. No one can get over your shit for you. No one can adapt for you. No one can make you grow. You can, though.

[Anonymous No.6913775]

>>6913729
I wish, man.
>>6913740
21 currently
>>6913749
Yeah bro, I'm really excited to get into stuff like that, but idk if it's too early for me to do that or not. I haven't really learned proper construction or anything like that yet in proko's basics thing
>>6913756
i was though. This is how I was doing that kind of stuff before actually learning from the course

also, goodnight bros.

[Anonymous No.6913786]

>>6913768
Because I've legitimately never been able to commit myself to a single hobby, ever.
>>6913772
How do I adapt? What should I do? What should I start with? I'm too retarded for basic trig.

[Anonymous No.6913787]

>>6913786
>What should I start with?
Stop worrying about being good and start having fun drawing. It's the only thing that's important improving can come later.

[Anonymous No.6913790]

Devil jin Wip, trying to go for a more stylized/angular approach

[Anonymous No.6913791]

>>6913787
I don't know how to draw though. It's not fun when I don't know what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.6913795]

Stop wasting your time on ADHD autists, they can't be helped.

[Anonymous No.6913798]

>>6913791
Of course you know how to draw, you take a pen and some paper then you make squiggly line to depict something. If you can't even find fun in that why are you here instead of prompting an AI?

[Anonymous No.6913805]

>>6913798
You're being disingenuous if you think that drawing is just putting the fucking pencil on the page. There's planning, thinking, practicing, the sketching process, all that shit. Stop giving me this BS and tell me what the fuck to do

[Anonymous No.6913824]

SHIBUYA rin

[Anonymous No.6913836]

>>6913775
>21 currently
No chance for me, then. Phew, thanks for the assurance.

[Anonymous No.6913838]

now i draw more SHIBOOGIE RIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbpIyn70t8c

[Anonymous No.6913839]

>>6913763
Yes. You will always fail. There is no genuine hope.

The only people who argue otherwise are people who, by their own admission, don't have your conditions. I am one of the people who is exactly like you, and I can tell you firsthand that it will never happen.

[Anonymous No.6913841]

>>6913805
I'll be honest with you anon, nobody can. That's because art is an innate talent. People like the guy you replied to understand it but it can never be understood by others.

[Anonymous No.6913844]

>>6913841
So then I'm fucked and I can't do it?

[Anonymous No.6913847]

>>6913844
Yes. You can't learn art. You might be able to do something, but it's never going to be art. Never was in the cards because of your condition.

[Anonymous No.6913857]

i didnt get it

[Anonymous No.6913860]

[Anonymous No.6913871]

>>6913860
hey, that's my nigga

[Anonymous No.6913875]

As I suspected, untimed gestures are better than timed.

I really wish newfriends wouldn’t feed known trolls posting old copypasta. I don’t understand how you haven’t caught on by now.

>>6913556
If thick thighs can really save lives, those thighs could raise the dead. Good foot studies. Morpho has some neat ways of doing shorthand for the feet that have helped me by osmosis. If you studied them on purpose, I’m sure you’d do better.

I think that to git good at any particular body part, you should study artists who fetishized that part. Because they’ll obsess over it, love it, express it with the most appeal, and distill it down to its essence. You need to study footfags.
>>6913503
Onii-Chan, m-my knees are bending on their own~!
>>6913453
Fuckin cool
>>6913400
Just pick one and use it until you run into limitations. Then pick another to incorporate its strengths. Looks like the one on the right is working better for you. You need to practice feeling the form, because you drew a couple rectangles where there should have been cylinders. Draw some pages of boxes and tubes.
>>6913333
Checked. I’d do what other anons suggested. I think the lines look kinda cool desu.
>>6913330
Ignore the crabs. Your stuff is really cute. Just need to do more full bodies. Like try doing at least 30+ minutes of gesture drawing every day.
>>6913718
Can you post an example?
>>6913727
Absolutely lovely.
>>6913790
Very cool. Face/horn/head perspective is slightly wonky. Great torso and shoulder anatomy!

[Anonymous No.6913877]

>Ignore the crabs. Your stuff is really cute. Just need to do more full bodies. Like try doing at least 30+ minutes of gesture drawing every day.
Newfag fuck off

[Anonymous No.6913879]

>>6913556
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.6913881]

>>6913875
>Like try doing at least 30+ minutes of gesture drawing every day.
im gonna have to bite the bullet, sit down and do it finally just like i try to draw sexy parts seen here

[Anonymous No.6913882]

>>6913844
Do you want to be fucked? Because from your posting it sounds like you want to be fucked, anyone can learn to draw, you can be 90 years old, blind, and have no arms and you could still learn to draw.

The question is do you want it? And why do you want it? Do you just wish you were good at art or do you actually enjoying drawing. And I don't mean drawing the very limited subject matter you're interested I mean the fundamental act of mark making.

From what I hear you don't fucking want it. Because if you wanted it you wouldn't give a fuck if you were a vegetable or 90 years old or blind or had no arms, you'd be drawing right now.

That's why you're hopeless because you're a limp wristed waste of energy with no drive, not because of any other extraneous bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6913887]

>>6913882
Then I might as well not be interested in anything because I can't do anything. I tried learning SFM as a teen and quit immediately, same with Gamemaker. And this is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I legitimately can't get the motivation or energy to play video games anymore.

[Anonymous No.6913890]

Wanted to make one costume a day (lewd mummy is next) but I am way too shit to do it.
Proportions all over the place, lines don't have any kind of quality and I tried to apply the "organic construction" tip I recived last time but I just ended up confusing myself.
Goddamn it.

[Anonymous No.6913893]

>>6913890
Keep calm, and keep studying, anon. Remember that drawing merely memorization, and you just havent memorized enough forms, shapes, and proportions yet. More studies can only benefit you

[Anonymous No.6913894]

>>6913882
Why are you so incapable of understanding that not everyone can draw? You don't see the same zeal for people all being able to drive or do maths.

[Anonymous No.6913895]

>>6913881
You seem to have a talent for depicting soft flesh with just line. Once you git gud at drawing the entire body and doing full-body poses, you’ll have massively leveled up. Maybe you should copy doujins like those other anons have been saying. I think your style is very appealing, and I think your cute googley-eye heads on thick hentai bodies would be a deadly combo.

[Anonymous No.6913896]

>>6913890
Not bad. How long have you been drawing for?

[Anonymous No.6913903]

is this rinotuna course cool?
atm im doing fun with a pencil but i wonder which thing i should read next

[Anonymous No.6913905]

>>6913894
>Why are you so incapable of understanding that not everyone can draw? You don't see the same zeal for people all being able to drive or do maths.

You don't see crybaby manchildren blaming extraneous circumstances outside of their control preventing them from learning to drive a car.

"Is 30 too old to learn to drive a car?", "I have autism and adhd and a bum leg and HIV will I ever learn to drive ?". Do (You) see how retarded you sound now?

Anyone can learn to draw, the only thing preventing you is yourself crab

[Anonymous No.6913908]

>>6913887
Kill yourself or shut the fuck up then

[Anonymous No.6913916]

>>6913893
Just copy stuff like morpho cover to cover then?
I am just a bit bummed because everyone else is coming out with their halloween pieces and the ones I wanted to do came out very shitty.
>>6913896
Spread over wayyy too much time. Only 535 of these hours have been in this year. Fucking disgraceful yo have spent so much time and still can't draw worth shit.
This is why you don't skimp out in fundies.
Godfucking damn it. A whole wasted year.

[Anonymous No.6913925]

>>6913905
>You don't see crybaby manchildren blaming extraneous circumstances outside of their control preventing them from learning to drive a car.
(You) don't. I see many people crying about their inability to drive for reasons wholly outside of their control. You clearly do not drive.
>Anyone can learn to draw,
Nope.

[Anonymous No.6913926]

>>6913916
So all of that in a year? Terrific, I've never gotten that far. You've got talent, keep it up!

[Anonymous No.6913927]

>>6913916
> Just copy stuff like morpho cover to cover then?
Copy what you find aesthetically appealing! And make sure to redraw each study again from memory! The redraw from memory will make you improve 10x faster

[Anonymous No.6913929]

>>6913926
lol- Lmao even.

[Anonymous No.6913930]

>>6913929
Don't beat yourself up like that anon :(

[Anonymous No.6913931]

>>6913908
Now that I've actually explained my problem, you don't care to even fucking reply.

[Anonymous No.6913935]

are random wikipedia pictures a good way to do studies? there seem to be a million pics of roads and houses and trees and stuff... Keep in mind I am incredibly /beg/ (haven't read books yet); I just enjoy trying to draw these things.

On this topic: what makes some images better for studying than others?

[Anonymous No.6913956]

>>6913895
>. Maybe you should copy doujins like those other anons have been saying.
i'll return once i do, for now i must hold back spamming doodles until i have something worthwhile to post

[Anonymous No.6913966]

>>6913666
Draw because I told you to. Draw me a flower, bitch. I expect to see it within 24 hours. It better be a cool flower too, little bitch boy. Also nice trips.

[Anonymous No.6913971]

Vilppu is killing me bros.
>draw a bean
>now draw a whole fucking person
Come ON

[Anonymous No.6913974]

>>6913971
Frankly, I don't like Vilppu.
I get it why people do recommend him, but i just don't like him.
>Just feel the form, brah

[Anonymous No.6913983]

>>6913971
It's not like he did a whole anatomy series or anything... (wink wink)

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Fr4y1q7nK/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[Anonymous No.6913995]

>>6913485
how to properly do studies, if you lack accuracy your studies are going to suck and you arent going to learn much from them

[Anonymous No.6914006]

>>6913983
is there any way to download these? i don't have a bili acc

[Anonymous No.6914014]

>>6913995
NTA but I do not believe any artist or teacher can teach you something so good you have "to do everything again".
Unless you really fucked up when you draw, and you just autopilot it and mindlessly draw. But that's not a teaching of Krenz, everybody tells you this.

[Anonymous No.6914030]

>>6914006
>>6913983
yt-dlp did the trick in case anyone is also wondering
Also thanks! The thing is that he tells me to keep doing beans until I can really feel the form but (obviously) I can't do as good with beans as he does, and I don't really know when I should jump to his next teachings.

[Anonymous No.6914061]

[Anonymous No.6914064]

Guess I should've drawn the arms too, huh?

[Anonymous No.6914066]

>>6914014
by basics i mean going back to copying, i jumped from just drawing for a few years to anatomy. I don't think learning how to copy is a bad skill to acquire, specially since i always struggle to stick to big studies because i don't know how to approach them.

[Anonymous No.6914075]

Am I being a consoomer by buying a drawing tablet as a /beg/? I have acryl paints and oil pastels, but I feel like they would greatly simplify learning to paint. (I would paint digitally and draw traditionally) its just $70 tho, but I wanna know what u think

[Anonymous No.6914078]

>>6914075
No it's fine.
If you want to do digital painting go ahead, I personally went with a tablet as well and it's a good choice if you're sure you go into digital.

[Anonymous No.6914128]

Every morning I genuinely want to kill myself, is setting a goal of getting good at drawing by the end of next year, a good cope? Atleast i'll have one more year right, bros?

[Anonymous No.6914134]

[Anonymous No.6914136]

>>6914128
I can't tell if this is a shitpost, or a genuine cry for help.

[Anonymous No.6914137]

Why is drawing so hard? is it because there isnt a single straight path?

[Anonymous No.6914138]

man, what's with the high amount of losers lately? we're here to get better, but some fags just come here to r9k post

[Anonymous No.6914139]

>>6914138
It's probably the weather

[Anonymous No.6914141]

>>6914138
no one gets better here

[Anonymous No.6914142]

>>6914138
I believe it's just one or two people

[Anonymous No.6914146]

>>6914137
there is, the reilly method

[Anonymous No.6914155]

>>6914141
This. You’re all nothing but crabs. Anyone is better off elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.6914160]

>>6914146
who the fuck uses that method

[Anonymous No.6914173]

>>6914160
several people

[Anonymous No.6914174]

>>6914173
who

[Anonymous No.6914179]

>>6914174
well for starters, your mom and me have this thing where she ________________________ and then i _______________________ and then ________________________ and then we ___________________________________ and we call it the reilly method

[Anonymous No.6914182]

>>6914179
you must be the funniest kid in 8th grade anon

[Anonymous No.6914183]

you must be the retardedest kid in first grade

[Anonymous No.6914192]

>>6914183
>retardedest

[Anonymous No.6914193]

yes that is what i said i am proud of you for being able to read what i said

[Anonymous No.6914206]

[Anonymous No.6914227]

>>6913617
>>6913640
>>6913662
>>6913705
>>6913767
>>6913768
>>6913772
>>6913787
>>6913798
>>6913839
>>6913841
>>6913847
>>6913882
>>6913908
this retard has been posting the same stale bait for YEARS and is still getting so many replies, how is this possible

[Anonymous No.6914245]

>

[Anonymous No.6914248]

I'm going to reach for a cop's gun and you can't stop me.

[Anonymous No.6914261]

>>6913600
Yep, Fechin was a master of edges, If I can only reach 10% of his skill, I was missing some edges and textures but I was thinking "does it worth working for more than 2 hours on this study?"

>>6913677
I'm strugling between struggling between accurate observation and edges

I'm also working on charcoal, here is the latest one I was studying (from repin academy)

[Anonymous No.6914263]

>>6913890
Your line quality is ass because you don't the literal quality of what you're drawing through your lines. Shapes are like this too. Something that is bottom-heavy and sinking into the ground can have a heavier (literal and figurative) line weight at the bottom of the form. Where fabric is stretching across a form should have thinner line weight to communicate that. There's a couple qualities that line can take. Light or dark. Soft or hard. Thick or thin. I find that soft and hard can overlap like in pointillism. Dots, in of themselves, are hard and thin. However, when many of them are distanced apart from each other, it creates a soft effect in the composition when seen at a distance.

Line quality is about empathizing with the visual and often times literal experience of the subject. A muscle belly in the figure has the potential to relax or seriously contract. This means the type of line you should use will change.

Take a course on accurately drawing that has progressions from simple primitives all the way to a finished figure. Apply the lessons to different objects to build a reliable process.

[Anonymous No.6914266]

>Don't communicate the literal quality...

[Anonymous No.6914279]

>>6914261
She looks sad and ugly, just like you!
>>6914263
How about you suggest a course, it doesn't make sense to critique and not send them a direction.

[Anonymous No.6914285]

>>6914279
guy made like 2 paragraphs of critique and you want him to do MORE?

[Anonymous No.6914290]

>>6914285
>word vomit for two paragraphs
Honestly a shitty course would be better.

[Anonymous No.6914291]

dudes baiting this early in the morning. god daaamn

[Anonymous No.6914299]

[Anonymous No.6914300]

>>6914279
>>6913890

Russian academic drawing on new masters academy is general enough for this. I recommend don't recommend pirating since you don't get any access to the high res images. Proko has a course catering towards beginners and has clear progressions. Brent Eviston maybe. Simplify Drawing and Painting has content on youtube that you can pair with the information from the videos. Dorian Iten has an accuracy course. Could probably pirate it.

After getting your observation up to snuff, Steven Zapata has a course that emphasizes creating believable lighting and form from imagination. Haven't checked it out but it looks promising.

Also while doing any of this you should be producing pieces outside of the course. You don't want to come out of it with just studies to show for it. Use what you learn to make something. Also make sure to ask other people for feedback on whether you did the course assignment properly and to probe where you went wrong.

[Anonymous No.6914335]

>>6913283
Would someone post the loomis copy pasta so i can get a idea on why people don't like it?

[Anonymous No.6914349]

when drawing a figure from ref, do i need to think about perspective? or should i just get the forms right from the ref that I'll get the perspective right anyway?

[Anonymous No.6914350]

Another study

[Anonymous No.6914374]

>>6914245
Really cool anon

[Anonymous No.6914382]

>>6914350
she is missing her jaw

[Anonymous No.6914390]

>>6914350
Measure and adjust/fix your lines before painting, going over it and properly observing multiple times can be a big help. And don't paint things that are out of frame (top of the head) if you want to study.

[Anonymous No.6914405]

>>6914279
I'm happy that I achieved that, the ugliness and sadness was the essence of the portrait of this old age woman

[Anonymous No.6914410]

>>6914263
>>6914300
Good advice, youre too good for /ic/. The crabs here dont deserve you

[Anonymous No.6914413]

i dont like construction

[Anonymous No.6914415]

>>6914350
do you guys think this guy is a troll

[Anonymous No.6914420]

>>6913875
here you go. examples of how I """"clean lines""""" and examples of what it looks like with them in, there's much worse examples but i've since deleted the originals. Ive since gotten better equipment and not just 'taking a snap with my phone under some lights then just jam it into mspaint for some editing'. saw some improvements in some areas and some breakdowns in others so im currently doing some exercises and doodles

[Anonymous No.6914446]

>>6913890
>>6914279
> doesn't draw hands or face
> doesn't know how to use google for references
> makes a 10 second sketch and asks for a critique
> doesn't listen to the critique
> "show me a course", forgot that there's a million online on youtube

your figure sucks, go study literally anything on anatomy figure head hands, you don't need a special course, no course is going to be the end all be all so don't worry about which one, you'll take that basic shit from loomis and end up studying more and learning more from life.

[Anonymous No.6914473]

>>6914446
>another loomis shill

[Anonymous No.6914478]

loomis is a hack albeit

[Anonymous No.6914480]

How do I get myself to put more effort in my drawings? I've never drawn something that took more than an hour

[Anonymous No.6914484]

I can vaguely do construction
Is now the time I am supposed to copy bridgeman?

[Anonymous No.6914489]

>>6914480
Why don't you just man up and do it, fucking wuss

[Anonymous No.6914547]

[Anonymous No.6914548]

>read bridgeman
>like 10 pages of construction and 300 of anatomy slop

[Anonymous No.6914559]

>>6914227
(You)

[Anonymous No.6914560]

for how long have you been drawing for?

[Anonymous No.6914562]

>>6914560
Define.

[Anonymous No.6914563]

>>6914562
years

[Anonymous No.6914564]

>>6914563
Define what these years consist of.

[Anonymous No.6914566]

>>6914564
drawing

[Anonymous No.6914569]

>full time job
>part time job on weekends
>kids
>pets
>video games
>movies
>TV shows
When are you supposed to have time to learn how to draw?

[Anonymous No.6914570]

>>6914566
Like 25, I've been doing it since I was a toddler, why?

[Anonymous No.6914571]

>>6914299
saved

[Anonymous No.6914572]

>>6914569
quit jobs, apply for welfare. Sell your kids, kill your pets, destroy your consoles, cancel all subs, throw out tv

[Anonymous No.6914574]

>>6914572
All the artists I see are always drawing fanart or talking about the series they follow. How do they find the time for that?

[Anonymous No.6914576]

>>6914569
>>6914574
simply watch those tv shows/movies while drawing? hello?

[Anonymous No.6914579]

>>6914576
How am I supposed to learn how to draw and do that at the same time? A course from Vilppu is less time to catch up on the MCU.

[Anonymous No.6914581]

>>6914579
think of vilpu as a tv show

[Anonymous No.6914588]

>>6914574
don't watch or play any of them just pretend to

[Anonymous No.6914590]

>>6914574
Skill issue

[Anonymous No.6914592]

>>6913666
>There's nothing that will make me more motivated to actually draw and be productive.
Then why learn to draw? Not even a rhetorical question. Like... What do you hope to get out of drawing? I just started drawing, but for me, I really want to be able draw cool and dynamic action scenes. I can't do that without anatomy, composition, etc..., so that's what I'm focusing on.

[Anonymous No.6914602]

>>6914592
NTA.
How did you connect A to B?

[Anonymous No.6914643]

>>6913875
>As I suspected, untimed gestures are better than timed.
can you tell me more about this, what was your experience timed vs untimed?

[Anonymous No.6914654]

[Anonymous No.6914684]

>>6914574
Watching a tv show takes up maybe 10-20 hours and you're done for the year until another season pops up my nigga.

[Anonymous No.6914714]

Do people on /ic/ not draw anymore?

[Anonymous No.6914720]

>>6914714
>anymore

[Anonymous No.6914722]

>>6913805
Ah, I thought this was a genuine post. Looks like it was bait after all.

>>6913844
Yeah, sure. You're fucked. Art is for the genetically blessed only. You might want to learn AI art instead.

[Anonymous No.6914728]

>>6913790
nice dick bro

[Anonymous No.6914731]

>>6914279
>asks for help
>shits on received help
>shits on another anons work for lulz

Fuck off, maybe?

>>6914335
Anon, asking that question to begin with is already wasting time that could be drawing or studying. What if you studied Loomis yourself and formed your own opinion? That's usually better.

>>6914569
Measure your time in minutes, not hours. Also highly doubt you are doing all that shit anyway. And
>video games, movies, TV shows
Drop it. Really. Drop it. The MCU sucks shit. When you're dying, will you regret that you didn't catch up on the MCU, or whatever show your friends keep telling you to watch? Or will you regret not pursuing the things you wanted to pursue? If you're a person who wants to pursue something creative, you have to drop as much bullshit out of your life as possible, full stop.

[Anonymous No.6914737]

PLANNING? THINKING?? THE SKETCHING PROCESS? BITCH I DRAW WHAT POPS IN MY HEAD AND IT'S FUN

[Anonymous No.6914739]

>>6914714
Faggots have been shitting up this thread harder than usual lately.

[Anonymous No.6914740]

>>6914737
Keep going King, it's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.6914754]

hey bois, just consoomed my first pen tablet!

Is there any recommendation? Which is better, pen mode or mouse mode?

Also, is it normal that Krita changes the UI color everytime I click on a menu icon or change color? It goes from grey to a bit darker gray then black. Maybe it is just my shitty monitor, but its real distracting.

[Anonymous No.6914767]

Was very tired and busy today, but was able to do these shape tracings.

I can sorta figure out how hands are meant to be shaped now, I dunno how good my construction is though (as again these are tracings, not drawn from imagination I just broke down the pictures into these basic shapes).

This is using Hide Channel's Croquis method if you are wondering.

[Anonymous No.6914771]

>>6914767
tracing is useless, to-omoi-masu

[Anonymous No.6914774]

>>6914771
But it helps you see the basic shapes that construct a human body however.

That's how I figured out how to shape hands.

[Anonymous No.6914780]

>>6914774
i'm glad it worked for you. keep going

[Anonymous No.6914784]

>>6914754
>Is there any recommendation? Which is better, pen mode or mouse mode?
Never heard of this. if you mean windows ink i think it should be off

>Also, is it normal that Krita changes the UI color everytime I click on a menu icon or change color?
Might be your graphics card or something. go settings > themes and see if the effect is still noticable with other themes

[Anonymous No.6914786]

>>6914602
Can you be more specific? Are you asking how I got "I need to work on anatomy/composition" from "I want to draw cool action scenes"?

[Anonymous No.6914792]

Skelly

[Anonymous No.6914807]

Is this bad? I think it's bad

[Anonymous No.6914811]

>>6914807
The worst part about it is the photo you took.

[Anonymous No.6914813]

>>6914731
>Also highly doubt you are doing all that shit anyway
I'm literally in a horror movie marathon right now.

[Anonymous No.6914815]

>>6914786
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6914818]

>>6914811
I know but scanning it looks worse

[Anonymous No.6914823]

>>6914818
I'm not saying taking a photo is bad, I'm saying your photo's bad. Light it properly, It's all muddy and blurry

[Anonymous No.6914848]

Forgive me /beg/ for I gave up to degeneracy. At least I drew something from imagination

[Anonymous No.6914865]

MS paint just hits different bros

>>6914807
okay, okay, more more

>>6914792
nice - let me guess, is it shading practice? Reminds me of a tutorial on that subject

>>6914714
We never did!

>>6914547
okay, okay, keep on keeping on

>>6914299
S0VL

[Anonymous No.6914866]

>>6914815
Well, I'm REALLY fucking bad at art. Like. Genuinely awful. But I want to improve, and I'm good at making progress towards goals I set. In this case, I can't get ANYWHERE without a good grasp of the fundamentals, so that's why I'm focusing on anatomy and composition. I'm essentially visualizing "Drawing an action scene" as having a tree of dependencies I can knock out and work on one by one. This approach has worked well for me in the past, and since I'm starting from literally zero skill, it's what makes sense for me.
I suppose if you wanted a more direct route, you could simply focus on other areas, but I want what I learn to apply to more than just this specific goal. Hope this was helpful. I am not qualified to give artistic advice of any kind, but I have found success with this.

[Anonymous No.6914871]

>do figure in 30ish minutes
>spend an hour trying redoing the face over and over
Crazy how a sliver of extra line can make all the difference on a face.

[Anonymous No.6914884]

>>6914866
>>Well, I'm REALLY fucking bad at art. Like. Genuinely awful.
pyw

[Anonymous No.6914896]

>>6914884
So far I've only made two DAD submissions:
https://dad.gallery/submissions/219271 (Didn't like this one)
https://dad.gallery/submissions/219178 (Kinda liked this one)
I would say I'm on the lower end of experience on /beg/.

[Anonymous No.6914914]

Can you guys tell what this is? It's project 7E from Keys to Drawing.
Sorry if it's in the wrong orientation. I tried to put it in the right one, but 4chan might rotate it however it wants.

[Anonymous No.6914920]

>>6914896
both are better than what I can do
gmi

[Anonymous No.6914926]

>>6914728
...What?

[Anonymous No.6914932]

>>6914920
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have faith in you, anon.

[Anonymous No.6914941]

Cat faces

[Anonymous No.6915024]

Did this portrait study yesterday. I feel like my style and proportions are pretty shit. What should I be focusing on to improve portrait/head illustration.

[Anonymous No.6915057]

>>6915024
portrait study ?

[Anonymous No.6915061]

What should i draw tomorrow?
Aside from silly boxes and lines that is.
Preferably something human-ish. I dont know how to do clothing so i should try that too

[Anonymous No.6915062]

>>6915061
What do the demons tell you ?

[Anonymous No.6915063]

more feet

>>6914941
cute felis catus
>>6915061
torsos or boobas

[Anonymous No.6915066]

How should I study while I tackle nanowrimo? Do one, then the other?

[Anonymous No.6915069]

>>6915062
Hanged man.
I feel like conveying the feeling of gravity might be too hard for me at the current level but worst case scenario i can just scrap it and no one will see

[Anonymous No.6915078]

[Anonymous No.6915090]

>>6915069
>i can just scrap it and no one will see
what about Gawd? Don't you have any love for Gawd?

[Anonymous No.6915097]

>>6915090
Not worthy of his love.
I commit to the deadly evil sin of Sloth daily by not drawing.
Maybe one day....

[Anonymous No.6915120]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWmSq4aDeLA

[Anonymous No.6915172]

>>6914731
>>asks for help
>>shits on received help
>>shits on another anons work for lulz
>Fuck off, maybe?
The one you are replying to isn't the one asking for critique. Thats just some random shitter coming to shit everything up

[Anonymous No.6915173]

Explain to me how to perform a figure drawijg under the assumption that i know nothing about it.
(Pretty please)

[Anonymous No.6915174]

I drew some squares, circles and cylinders today, and shaded some of them in.

[Anonymous No.6915175]

>>6915174
proud of you, anon. keep it up tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6915177]

>>6915173
beans and boxes
that's all you need

[Anonymous No.6915179]

>>6915175
thank you anon, this is the positive reinforcement I needed to continue

[Anonymous No.6915184]

Would love to hear what people think, just trying to improve and work on skin painting and shadows.

[Anonymous No.6915192]

>>6915184
where the heck is the light source, also her ear looks more like placed ontop of her hair instead of poking through it. face anatomy is not bad though.

[Anonymous No.6915198]

>>6915192
Right bottoms side, I added highlights on that side of her face and arm.
I thought ear was ok but I can adjust and see if it works better.

Thank you, worked hard on the face

[Anonymous No.6915232]

Any good sites for gesture drawing?

[Anonymous No.6915238]

>>6915232
I use three: quickposes.com, adorkastock.com/sketch and line-of-action.com. When one gets stale poses, I switch and come back to the first site later.

[Anonymous No.6915241]

fml.

[Anonymous No.6915294]

>>6914446
He does this in the /a/ drawthreads too. Don't waste your breath on him.
He's also a massive shitposter

[Anonymous No.6915309]

>>6915238
Thank you very much

[Anonymous No.6915326]

drew a D&D character of mine for fun
Still undecided of what kind of art style I wanna start moving towards

[Anonymous No.6915329]

I charge 40$, should I increase prices? I've gotten a lot better recently. Pic related

[Anonymous No.6915333]

Day 17 of learning the basics n whatnot. Wasn't able to draw for most of the day cuz of Halloween stuff, but I managed to finish another crappy master studies, ref sketch and a few doodles before I go to bed. Hope you guys had a nice Halloween.

[Anonymous No.6915334]

>>6915063
damn this nigga is powerful
all he needs is a textured brush and he be more extreme
i know some good ones

[Anonymous No.6915335]

>>6915333
dang, looking at those pics again I was really messy in a lot of that stuff, more than usual. rip

[Anonymous No.6915336]

>>6915335
don't feel too down, artists see shit they did wrong with a piece the moment they post pretty much universally

[Anonymous No.6915338]

>>6914420
Oh, I see now. Interesting. You could probably get a similar effect in a purely trad workflow by drawing super lightly then reinforcing the "right" lines afterwards.
>>6914643
Timed is okay for practicing a knee-jerk reaction of an action line/super basic gesture and breaking the habit of analysis paralysis on one end and turd polishing on the other. The real reason people do 30s to 2-minute gestures is to train yourself out of overly focusing on minor details and taking a long time fussing on the finish of each pose — but that's only useful once you're already quite good.

And basically I'm still too /beg/ for that to be of much use. I need to take the time to slow down and really observe what's going on, and calmly analyze and construct the pose, figure out rhythms, take the time to understand what the fuck the scapula's doing, etc. With only 1-2 minutes, I feel kind of rushed and sloppy. Probably 5-7 minutes would be fine, but for now I'd rather take my time. It gives me breathing room and space to focus on the drawing a little more, which at this point, I think is more helpful than not. I don't get into rendering and I keep things at a less "finished" stage before moving on to the next pose, so I try not to take too long.

I hope that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.6915342]

>>6914914
About 25 more minutes of work.

[Anonymous No.6915343]

How do you actually do gestures?
I just end up with a bunch of messy lines

[Anonymous No.6915345]

>>6915343
dawg I'm gonna be real with you it's not easy to describe in written form, you'll just have to look at some lectures and copy along for the best effect
but I can say that gesture is for capturing the rhythm and motion of a form, it's important to keep it as loose as possible otherwise when you move onto construction it comes out extremely stiff

[Anonymous No.6915346]

>>6913333
i usually just do the line art over the painting to finish the area at the end

[Anonymous No.6915348]

[Anonymous No.6915349]

>>6915342
What is it?

[Anonymous No.6915368]

6915184

[Anonymous No.6915371]

>>6915172
You're right, I fucked up

[Anonymous No.6915372]

>>6915349
It's my tie.

[Anonymous No.6915387]

>>6915329
Honestly if you aren't baiting you can probably get away with 40$ for fetish shit

[Anonymous No.6915392]

gg

[Anonymous No.6915398]

>>6915392
I love this

[Anonymous No.6915400]

I charge 8 dollars but got no commissions yet

[Anonymous No.6915414]

Drew some circles. Better than skipping a day of drawing, and it’s important to be able to draw the basic shapes well. I’m reasonably happy with some of these. Goodnight, frens.

It’d be fun to see freehand redlines of this. How good are you at drawing freehand circles? Do you ever practice?

[Anonymous No.6915422]

>>6915414
Try not redoing the same circle multiple times, even if it comes out wrong

[Anonymous No.6915432]

>>6914263
>>6914410
>>6914300
Thanks alot for your critique, anon.
You talk a lot about lines and shapes in how they should portray the qualities of the object they form part of and honestly it is pretty fucking depressing that I canrely put some shit together while trying to somewhat resemble something while a skilled artist can not only make it look proportional but also make the lineart look good.

Regarding courses, I did the first few lessons of DAB but got tired of the motherfucking boxes and dropped it as soon as I realized it wasn't going to teach me human figure drawing and then went with Eviston but it seems I didn't learn shit.

I feel a bit bummed knowing I don't have any solid foundation and I have been doing it wrong all this time.
Guess I need to learn how to make lines and shapes that don't look like dogshit before trying to draw a figure.
Sometimes I wish I could be one of those autismos on DeviantArt ecstatically drawing the same horrible shit over and over again instead of hating myself for doing the very same.

I am just going to scrap all this dogshit and get back to the very start and grind fundies. Halloween finished already and I don't think I can get something worth a damn for christmas.

>>6914446
That wasn't me you twat.
>10 seconds
God damn it. That piece of shit sketch took me 22 minutes. Fucking pathetic, I know.

[Anonymous No.6915438]

been a long time since I played with exercises like this. do the proportions look okay?

[Anonymous No.6915451]

>>6915438
Needs more boxes

[Anonymous No.6915494]

[Anonymous No.6915499]

>>6915494

[Anonymous No.6915500]

>>6915232
Use my refpack
aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci9oNXB4RUlxSSMzWGZrOWhxNUZMczZtU204ZXJ6ZVJB

[Anonymous No.6915522]

>>6915368
Dang that bottom one is pretty great, did you just overlay it with white?

Thanks for the advice

[Anonymous No.6915575]

Is gesture the same thing as figure? What are the differences? I'm confused

[Anonymous No.6915576]

>>6915575
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gesture+drawing
You're welcome

[Anonymous No.6915601]

>>6915575
how I understand it - figure made of gesture and structure. structure is it form and gesture is what it does.

[Anonymous No.6915607]

>>6915575
gesture is like the loose undersketch before you place on forms/structure. it's meant to capture the energy of w/e pose you're doing

[Anonymous No.6915675]

>>6915575
It‘s a meme to delay retards
Focus on anatomy

[Anonymous No.6915676]

How do I draw girls like this? I'm not good at analysing art, I want to understand what makes it so sexy. I don't really know much about shading and line control. Artist is ireading btw

[Anonymous No.6915678]

>>6915676
Just bee yourself :)

[Anonymous No.6915682]

[Anonymous No.6915684]

>>6915678
I'm not ireading though

[Anonymous No.6915685]

>the reilly retard quit
HAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.6915686]

>>6915676
Dynamic pose
Lots of sharp angles
Tits

[Anonymous No.6915692]

>>6915686
How do I draw dynamic poses?

[Anonymous No.6915698]

>>6915676
copy your favorite doujin twice

[Anonymous No.6915701]

>>6915698
nah dude should just do bridgeman instead
why would you ever draw stuff you actually enjoy to improve

[Anonymous No.6915704]

[Anonymous No.6915730]

>>6915438
>proportions look okay
subjective, I like to fit 3 heads inside the torso makes the figure less chunky. Try experimenting with multiple head heights, looks artists you like and measure their figures. Paraphrasing Steve Huston, we use the head as unit of meassure because most of the time the head is the center piece, or something like that, no source it was on a livestream of his.

[Anonymous No.6915734]

[Anonymous No.6915776]

Two bottom ones are after watching Marco Bucci video on grouping shapes together. Wonder if it will help with getting more appealing shapes.

[Anonymous No.6915794]

>>6913271
If I can see WHY an image throws me off, for example, an image where the legs and posterior aren't connecting properly, does that mean I'm GMI?

[Anonymous No.6915805]

Quick study

>>6915392
I like it

[Anonymous No.6915825]

>>6914569
>full time job
>two kids
>cores and church on the weekend
>gym
>still draw every day, between 2-4 hours
>no tv
>no vidya
you have to make some sacrifices if you want to draw, I'd recommend giving up tv and vidya and stop wasting time on social media.

[Anonymous No.6915827]

>>6915730
I appreciate the advice, thanks friend

[Anonymous No.6915831]

have no clue how to paint sand :(

[Anonymous No.6915833]

>>6915676
Here's a good resource http://babelab.blogspot.com/

Specifically these posts (just apply them to one figure illustrations)
http://babelab.blogspot.com/2013/12/2-figure-composition-randomizer.html

http://babelab.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-canopy-effect.html

[Anonymous No.6915873]

>>6915432
It's understandable to get discouraged, anon. I often times still feel the same way. You will find that all you can do is to keep working at it.

I do recommend you give the Russian academic drawing course a shot. While you do start with primitives, they are there to provide you with an easier environment to utilize the observational techniques you've learned and to practice your straight lines.

Now, no one course teaches everything. You're not going to learn how to draw a stylized figure with big booba in this course, but there is a certain level of invention that Iliya employs when designing the drawing that is applicable to good design. The course is mostly the approach they teach at the Repin academy and it centers around planar analysis and good observation. Having these tools sets you up to be able to see properly, even if you only finish the first part of the course ending with the Asaro head. I suggest, if you do take a course, to use the observational techniques provided to emulate the artist(s) whose level you aspire towards. Being able to see and observe the height and width ratio of an object is a critical skill for an artist to acquire, that and seeing angles accurately. Keep working and learning anon, it's the only way towards where you want to go.

When taking a course make sure you have people assess your assignment and provide the criteria and context of the lesson so that others can point out specifically where you strayed.

[Anonymous No.6915881]

>>6915831
Here's how I go about learning things I don't know. There was a shrimp one floating around as well somewhere.

Just look, observe, and learn the thing. Then apply the thing to your work. The hard part is knowing which reference is good, and which one sucks and you're wasting your time. It all comes with practice and mileage though, you'll get it anon.

[Anonymous No.6915886]

>>6915881
kino

[Anonymous No.6915887]

>>6914415
Now I do. I did something similar in the past.

[Anonymous No.6915902]

>>6915881
AAA+ grade help and critique

[Anonymous No.6915903]

Hello /beg/, it's been a while. Took stepdaughter to see her dying grandmother today. Knew it was going to be a drag, so I grabbed a red ballpoint, a pilot gel pen and a pocket sized pad of drawing paper.
I've been so busy and have had little time to draw. Here's Grandma:

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And my stepdaughter:

[Anonymous No.6915910]

>>6915692
Take the Hogarth pill.

[Anonymous No.6915912]

>>6915881
but how do I sand?

[Anonymous No.6915914]

>>6915825
Do you get to do anything else?

[Anonymous No.6915917]

>>6915881
prompt?

[Anonymous No.6915919]

>>6915825
>church on the weekend
pyw?

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>>6915921
>>6915926
You forgot to finish them, bro. Looks nice though.

[Anonymous No.6915932]

>>6915903
>>6915905
lmao

[Anonymous No.6915950]

>>6915881
original anon here, thanks for the advice. this looks sick! im definitely gonna retry this one now, thanks for the helpful guide :)

[Anonymous No.6915960]

How wide are supposed woman's hips to be? When I try to draw them wider than clavicle/shoulders, it comes out awkwardly bottom-heavy more fit to fat housewife instead of more adventurer sort, if you get me.
On other hand, I don't want to make them narrow because that's more of male build.

[Anonymous No.6915961]

>>6915960
it depends on the character. everyone is different and you know that anon

[Anonymous No.6915963]

>>6915961
Sure, but it doesn't help about me feeling weird. It's like drawing a construction of a girl and having to keep seeing her bald, just not as bad, I guess.

[Anonymous No.6915964]

>>6915960
The wider the better

[Anonymous No.6915966]

>>6915960
>>6915964

[Anonymous No.6915972]

>>6915964
>>6915966
I see...
When people compare shoulder-hips width, do they mean the clavicle only or also shoulder-arm part as well? It could make a difference when making a musclegirl with larger arms.

[Anonymous No.6915976]

>>6913875
These are so nice dude.

[Anonymous No.6915979]

>>6915698
i actually thought about doing this. unfortunately i live with family and i'd de if they found out

[Anonymous No.6915980]

Aalright so something interesting happened today.

It seems my ability to draw things in general has sped up, as in I no longer seem to struggle with shaping things as much as I used to, infact my hand strokes are far easier to manage and are less prone to error compared to before.

A drawing like this (I did mess around with it a tad for shits n giggles I know it looks bad it was unfinished) for instance, would have taken me 30 minutes to do a few weeks ago, but this one only took around 10 minutes or so.

What does this mean? Is there anything said about when someone whose learning how to draw can suddenly draw faster with reduced errors?

I've only been drawing since around 26th of September this year so over a month.

[Anonymous No.6915987]

>>6915980
>What does this mean? Is there anything said about when someone whose learning how to draw can suddenly draw faster with reduced errors?
It's called improving. wtf am I reading

[Anonymous No.6915988]

>>6915972
I measure shoulders to the end of the whole shoulder girdle. The acromion it's called

[Anonymous No.6915991]

>>6915988
So technically not including the humerus. I see.

[Anonymous No.6915993]

>>6915991
Watch Proko's video on landmarks, very useful.

[Anonymous No.6915995]

>>6915993
Alright, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6915996]

>>6915987
Is it just merely the brain just getting used to drawing more?

I can't really draw things that I truly like yet but I am getting the hang of it.

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[Anonymous No.6916050]

Quick copy of a figure from an oil painting into my journal.

[Anonymous No.6916067]

>>6915368
Here’s with some adjustments, think I got a better light source going now

[Anonymous No.6916075]

New bread when?

[Anonymous No.6916102]

what are some good resources for rendering? this is the last thing i painted

[Anonymous No.6916240]

>>6916075
new

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>>6916238
>>6916238
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>>6915333
Big fan of the ants. Keep it up anon

[Anonymous No.6917052]

>>6915996
>Is it just merely the brain just getting used to drawing more?
Yes, most people will see huge improvements in initial months after picking up drawing. It makes it a lot of fun. You will hit a wall soon after though.
That's why you need to think of it as a slow process rather than rapid one. Just make it a habit and draw for fun and to solve issues (study). Otherwise, it will become a chore and pointless after the improvements slow down.

[Anonymous No.6917276]

>>6914569
take the homeless pill and draw all day