/int/ & /beg/ - Intermediate and Beginners Thread

[Anonymous No.6901878]

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous thread: >>6900169

[Anonymous No.6901900]

Coom is what motivates me to draw every day

[Anonymous No.6901901]

>>6901878
don't forget to grind Loomis

[Anonymous No.6901917]

Remember if you look at Loomis EVER you are ngmi.

[Anonymous No.6901919]

Im looming

[Anonymous No.6901932]

>>6901878
Whatever happened to /salt/? It was a good coom containment thread

[Anonymous No.6901933]

Well, I don’t really think of myself as a coom artist and I don’t really know if that’s what I want to “be” as an artist. I don’t think so. At least I don’t want to be defined as a coom artist to where it would seem weird to people if I drew something non-lewd. But I like drawing it. I like feeling those forms, ya dig? I’ve been told I have some kind of innate ability for drawing coom. Whenever I draw coom it usually ends up in the OP post. But there seems to be some kind of stigma at least on /ic/ that if you draw mostly lewd stuff you’re not a proper artist.

Also, do you guys really not like mass reply posts? I thought I was helping contribute to the thread with replying to the (you)less and giving people any tips or feedback or even just encouragement I could think of. It takes me a long-ass time to write the big mass reply posts. Do they really feel like spam?

[Anonymous No.6901938]

trying to follow dynamic sketching from the video course magnet. but I'd rather do it digitally. I do have CSP but im still pretty clueless on the brushes.
the course requires.
>felt tip pens
>white gel pens
>wide copic grayish markers
what are the digital replacements for those?

[Anonymous No.6901940]

>>6901938
>HRB
>HRB
>HRB

[Anonymous No.6901945]

>>6901932
It’s just /sex/ now. They tried to go back to being /salt/ a couple of weeks ago, but that thread just turned into some nodraw bitch crabbing everyone. Sorry, “critiquing.” Sort of like these threads, i guess.

[Anonymous No.6901948]

Is it even possible to use greyscale shading, but with hard shadows?
Left is what I usually do which is flat color fill->greyscale with airbrush->lights->gradient correction layer.
On the right I tried it with more hard shadows, but I don't know how to approach it. Should I just say fuck it, handpick shading colors instead of playing around with greyscale?

[Anonymous No.6901950]

>>6901878
Yay new thread

[Anonymous No.6901951]

>>6901933
Mass replies are based af, big dick behavior. Never stop

[Anonymous No.6901953]

>>6901933
Meds now

[Anonymous No.6901958]

>>6901950
Anon, your head looks like you've been some sort of construction method, all her facial feature are not centered on her face.

[Anonymous No.6901977]

>>6901917
pyw

[Anonymous No.6901982]

>>6901977
You're real fun at parties.

[Anonymous No.6901990]

>>6901977
Okay what you think

[Anonymous No.6902032]

>>6901990
People will take this bait

[Anonymous No.6902034]

>>6901958
You mean construction method is the reason her features are not centered or? Im confused

[Anonymous No.6902036]

>>6902032
huh? what u mean?

[Anonymous No.6902038]

>>6901990
Fucking awful. NGMI
You will never be 1/100th as good as sattou0.

[Anonymous No.6902039]

any useful /beg/ hacks to share? drawing bigger was an instant improvement for me.

[Anonymous No.6902041]

>>6902034
Sorry I had a stroke while writing that. Her features don't appear to be centered on her face despite her still looking a bit too similar to still being like a loomis head.

[Anonymous No.6902043]

>>6902039
The surface you draw on should be lower than you think. If the interior angle of your elbow is under 90° it's too high.

[TheNewMann No.6902045]

While I could had done more digital drawings this year. In this drawing made for a friend's fantasy setting, I tried a new way of coloring/shading that isn't just "have a half transparent black shading layer with multiply".

And considering I am experimenting on that. Is there anything to say about it (alongside the rest of the artwork itself of course)?

(Uploading the image as an image link cuz for some reason, uploading files is IP banned in the place I am in :
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868968682007711834/1151137485850689547/Guzao.png?ex=6540f7d3&is=652e82d3&hm=f9c2b6056ffe8dab341db43558449ff79d7c9f91269dfb247cc4a20e4ffcfce2&=&width=571&height=668 )

[TheNewMann No.6902049]

>>6902045
(My bad)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868968682007711834/1151137485850689547/Guzao.png?ex=6540f7d3&is=652e82d3&hm=f9c2b6056ffe8dab341db43558449ff79d7c9f91269dfb247cc4a20e4ffcfce2&

[Anonymous No.6902061]

>>6902045
Did you draw on all those textures yourself?
I feel like there are places where you could pull back your linework (like the pants), you are creating some high-information but poorly textured regions, when you could get away with some cel-shading shapes or brush texture to imply.

[Anonymous No.6902066]

>>6902045
>>6902049
The poses are fine but I think you could've workshopped them a bit more to be more dynamic, especially since you're already positioning them in an action-y sort of shot. I'm unfamiliar with the characters, but I think you could make them more expressive if you have them focused on something off-screen and interacting with each other instead of standing. When it comes to left's body, she has a mannish physique and her breasts are too round, so they sorta look like moobs. Doesn't help she has a man chin and a box-shaped torso.
When it comes to background elements like clouds, it's a good idea to imagine them moving toward some point in the horizon, as is the case in nature. Thick, full plumes of clouds better illustrate the illusion of position of these clouds and help fill in otherwise blank space in the background. It might be a good idea to remember where your light source is (the sun) and build how the sky gradient reflects.
The hairs look uh, clumpy and off. You might want to consider drawing them with more shapes to better define them. When it comes to skin tones, I'd strongly urge you to consider using multiple layers of reds or blues or whatever of varying opacities to blend them together. The pants look wrinkly instead of poofy, so you really want to consider how the detail lines curve, especially when you have so many on the pants. You forgot to shade/detail the cloaks and vests and belts. I think the shading can be more harsh? Overall, it's fine but I think you can spend more time on details.

[Anonymous No.6902068]

>>6902038
Sorry I haven't posted in a while. Who is this? The newest resident schizo?

[Anonymous No.6902070]

>>6902032
He's been doing this for a few threads now. Different style every time, obviously

[TheNewMann No.6902072]

>>6902061
Well first I did indeed drew the texture myself with the same non textured brush as the lineart.

Second, by "pulling back your linework" I assume you mean stuff like having less excessive and less random clothe folds.

And third, since I never drew with a textured brush and I like more detailed stuff, would like to hear more on that aspect

[Anonymous No.6902075]

>>6901933
I don’t consider myself a coom artist either, but there is a subtle alluring elegance in drawing tasteful lewd images that straight to the point porn can’t replicate and I hope I can someday.

Also, Pawell, don’t let crabs tell you how to post, fuck to losers.

[Anonymous No.6902077]

>>6902068
He's a famous Japanese artist.
https://twitter.com/sattou0

[Anonymous No.6902085]

>>6902075
i don't think that's pawell, when's the last time he drew coom?

[Anonymous No.6902086]

>>6902049

[Anonymous No.6902089]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6902092]

>>6902089
That’s a big car

[Anonymous No.6902097]

>>6902089
The front of that humvee is waaaaaay wider than the windshield leads me to believe it should be.

[Anonymous No.6902100]

>>6902089
the lines on the ground are out of perspective
pose is a bit awkward, i can't tell where his weight is. is it on his knee? is he leaning against the tire?
composition wise i would try pushing the perspective even more, like putting the camera right next to his boot and looking up at him

[Anonymous No.6902105]

>>6902089
Lovely. Lacks an Israel flag or two but still I really liked it

[Anonymous No.6902107]

>>6901919
not a single feature on the head is how you know its loomis

[Anonymous No.6902118]

>>6902077
I see. *sigh* If only I had an ounce of his ability, life is just so unfair bros.

[Anonymous No.6902124]

>>6902041
oh right, well i have used loomis but im still struggling with the features
Didnt realize they were off center tho (still not able to see it, other than one eye being a bit higher)

[Anonymous No.6902129]

>>6902124
Try drawing the centerline onto her face.

[Anonymous No.6902130]

>>6902124
I don’t really see the issue either. He should redline it IMO

[Anonymous No.6902131]

[Anonymous No.6902143]

>>6902129
like this?

[Anonymous No.6902144]

>>6902130
Would if I was digital

[Anonymous No.6902153]

Don't want to make a new thread for this but if someone can enlighten me that would be really helpful
What are some price guides to start commission work? I feel like anything I come up is either too high or too low. Not sure how to charge for Line art / Flats / Shaded / Crop or Full body.
Is there any resource or reference prices i should consider to come up with prices?

pls respond.

[Anonymous No.6902201]

>>6902143
that's the smash logo

[Anonymous No.6902202]

This one's still a huge work in progress, but there's something about his face that's pissing me off. I can't put my finger on it, thoughts?

>>6902131
Sick characters. 2 things I recommend is making the facial features a little bigger on both girls and using fewer lines to represent clothing folds. For cartoony styles like that, less is usually more. Experiment with peices of cloth on your arm in the position of your drawing to see which lines would appear biggest in the sleeve.

[Anonymous No.6902204]

>>6902202
Forgot to add picrel, whoops.

[Anonymous No.6902207]

>>6902143
I am kinda surprised you can't see it. Look at the distance from each eye to the pencil line of your nose. It is roughly the same despite it being the right side of the nose and not being straight on. The ridge of your nose is significantly raised, and when you character is looking any direction other that directly at the camera, it is going to be closer to the eye further from the viewer. Here's a face with a similar slight angle away from the camera. Look at how close the right side of her nose is to one eye, and how far it is from the other.

[Anonymous No.6902214]

>>6902204
His nose is bent so far inward that it looks upside down, if I had to come up with a reason for his face looking off

[Anonymous No.6902219]

>>6902207
You can do this with basically every part of her face. Does the portion of her lips measure the same size on the left side of center as the right? Because they are nearly the same on yours.

[Anonymous No.6902224]

>>6902204
This is really good ngl. Not really into troonery, twinks, femboys or whatever other faggotry kids are into these days but I can sure look at this art piece without a look of disdain on my face.
Loving the palette, the skull needs a little bit more of depth but I hope I can see more of your OCs in the future. Solid work.

[Anonymous No.6902227]

Is it a bad idea to draw silly cartoons while being beg? Should I grind loomis instead?

[Anonymous No.6902231]

>>6902201
I was going to do the whole head but got bored
>>6902207
>>6902219
Ah makes sense now, thanks for pointing that out

[Anonymous No.6902237]

>>6902227
You can draw whatever you want to draw King. Don't let anybody tell you what you should or shouldn't draw.
Keep exercises as a side thing while you focus on your main gig.

[Anonymous No.6902255]

resposting in new thread

>>6901510
Can you show me a screenshot/title of which one? I'm not sure which one is the basic figure drawing course. From the /ic/ torrent?

>>6901676
nta but try it again. Face proportions are very subtle. Subtle things, even like the curve of her lower eye being different from the reference will make it look off. You also made her face a bit wider and taller. You gave her a bit of a man-jaw

[Anonymous No.6902266]

[Anonymous No.6902281]

Scorpion. Done using photo reference.

[Anonymous No.6902287]

>>6902231

[Anonymous No.6902291]

[Anonymous No.6902292]

[Anonymous No.6902293]

>>6902281
Now try a real life one.

[Anonymous No.6902303]

Has science gone too far?

[Anonymous No.6902320]

Hello /beg/. I am back after a 6 week break. Was doing various things. Ran a quest on /qst/, which is why I stopped drawing in the first place, even though I probably could've combined it. Started learning Japanese. It's time to increase the self-improvement load and pick up drawing again. Here's today's KtD copies.

>>6902281
Cool.
>>6902227
It is ok but remember to study as well to obtain gains.
>>6902204
Blob nose is unsettling.
>>6902131
Your faces could use some work. The left's head seems small in comparison with the body, she's like 9 heads tall (I measured on my screen with a pen), though that's still acceptable by Loomis (heroic proportions). I like the poses and dress design, especially the bow girl.
>>6902089
The other anon is right, the car is very big.
>>6902049
Looks beg, but appealing. Keep studying everything! You got a good crit here >>6902066
>>6902032
>>6902070
?? Who is this anon? Is this a new anti-Loomis schizo?
>>6901950
Face looks beg, listen to the other anons. Otherwise your drawing is okay.
>>6901834
Thank you, motivation anon.
>>6901792
Cool birb.
>>6901717
Is this Bridgman? Looks neat.
>>6901604
I tried making this motion right now, I think the pose you're trying to capture depends on the stage at which you're trying to depict the swing. If it is before it even begins, this anon has the right idea >>6901672, you put your weight more on the back leg. If it's mid swing but yet to draw the sword, the entire body including legs should aim forward more, not crouch.
>>6901580
I think the facial charm is lost in the harsh lines.
>>6901432
Solid pose. Now add details.
>>6901365
I am beg so I can't give solid advice in this area, but anons over at /asg/ say to copy 1000 anime to learn drawing so perhaps there is merit in it? I think it's worth it to pick up a construction method or develop one though.
>>6901289
wdym "stiff"? You've literally got a bust and an arm, there's no body for it to feel "stiff".
>>6901246
Neat nun.

[Anonymous No.6902333]

>>6902320
Yeah it's Bridgman. My idea was prior to the swing.

[Anonymous No.6902334]

>>6902320
I don’t know if the guy is a new resident schizo or not, I just recognized that the image he posted was AI generated.

[Anonymous No.6902348]

>>6902089
Your perspective is non-existent anon. You're clearly just guessing. Go review some basic 2-point perspective. It doesn't matter what book or what teacher, you just need to review the basics. Good effort though, anon. Keep drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ym83Cvi3wQ

[Anonymous No.6902355]

>>6902348
https://youtu.be/R60e9_ofV68?si=8JAILkzYDb1YOt0G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqLT5UxFqDE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPfz3BFxCM

[Anonymous No.6902356]

>>6902320
>?? Who is this anon? Is this a new anti-Loomis schizo?
Yep, just dropped recently

[Anonymous No.6902363]

>>6902356
new fud just dropped. someone is clearly bored

[Anonymous No.6902379]

>>6902348
Thanks for the criticism

[TheNewMann No.6902392]

>>6902066
About the pose, while I didn't planed any interaction beyond "we're watching the horizon and that's all", thanks for reminding me to have to sketch the direction the character is seeing. Same for the reminder of making the female less mannish looking and light source.

And about the shading, I have decided to both color in the same way as in the image and also have simple black shading on it.

And to ask you a question about the clouds, is it a good idea to sketch a line in the sky to represent the direction of the clouds before sketching them ?

[TheNewMann No.6902401]

>>6902086
pik pissperktiv

[Anonymous No.6902404]

>>6902153
I suggest asking in the sqtddtot thread (>>6867069) or create/wait for a commissions thread to pop up. They're usually really good about answering these sorts of questions since you'll mostly find low skill level folks here. Maybe someone can prove me wrong, though.

As a beg, the only thing I'd recommend you is to look at your artwork and compare it to other artists' work. If your artwork is worse, go cheaper on rates, if better, go higher. I'd also make sure your best work isn't below the expected skill level of artists that do commissions. No point in charging if there's no interest/demand.

[Anonymous No.6902415]

Fire is hard

[Anonymous No.6902427]

>>6902415
Looks good tho. I will be saving this and learning off of it. I also like the sky/ground contrast

[Anonymous No.6902431]

>>6902415
Dunkirk?
Looks decent btw

[Anonymous No.6902446]

>>6902404
Thanks for pointing out in the right direction anon.
Cheer.

[Anonymous No.6902450]

I WILL draw tomorrow.
Just watch me do it when the time does come.

[Anonymous No.6902500]

I tried to follow one anons advice on using thicker pens for darker areas. I wasn't sure how to do it fully so it has a scratchy quality but I think it works. Also talons are hard to draw
Ignore the eggshell I didn't want to draw it but I did it quick so it'd follow the inktober theme of 'inside'

[Anonymous No.6902501]

Hello Gents, and gentless.
I haven't put pencil to paper in a serious manner since like '07 but getting back into the game. Pic is what I attempted today. Crit welcome.
Do I qualify as beg?

[Anonymous No.6902504]

Fugit. Forgot the pic...

[Anonymous No.6902506]

>>6902504
And here is a Bridgman I did a few days ago.

[Anonymous No.6902514]

>>6902506
That one is one of my favorite Bridgmans.

[Anonymous No.6902521]

>>6902348
Nta but I still don’t fully understand perspective. The idea is for those red lines to all be converging toward a vanishing point somewhere on the page, right? And this one is incorrect because they’re clearly just random directions?

[Anonymous No.6902522]

I tried to finally used c o l o r s with shade

[Anonymous No.6902526]

>>6902521
More or less. Objects in the same orientation will follow the same vanishing point. Think of a city block. If you were to rotate one of the buildings 90 degrees, it would no longer share the vanishing point as the rest.

[Anonymous No.6902539]

posted in stupid questions but it’s on autosage. do people actually post on /ic/ regularly and not draw, or is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.6902561]

>>6902521
Do a little bit of reading and watch a few videos. You'll get it. And yes, all parallel lines should converge into a vanishing point more or less. The red lines on the humvee are incorrect because those lines are all parallel and should be converging on the same point.

[Anonymous No.6902591]

[Anonymous No.6902599]

>>6902514
Nice. Better than my attempt. And this is one of the reasons I decided to start posting here, to shame myself into getting gooder.
Pic is what level I was at before life took a shit.

[Anonymous No.6902602]

>>6902522
anon the face is the same size as one of the belt decorations

[Anonymous No.6902605]

>>6902539
It's either that or they larp as somebody else, anyhow there's a large number of people who don't actually draw here

[Anonymous No.6902614]

>>6902539
/ic/ is a dead board thanks to ai spam. If you wanted any meaningful discussions you'd need to go back in time three years prior.
Anyone worth their salt left a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.6902619]

>>6902614
most people are using ai now and don't come with cope saying they would never use it

[Anonymous No.6902634]

>>6902539
there's always people who draw regularly. just don't get sucked into bullshit. hide AI threads - why even waste 1 minute reading them?

Add aphantasia, talent, asian jeans/genes/etc, AI art, and other bullshit to your filter. You don't enough time in the day to deal with all that dumb shit. /ic/ is much better once you start ignoring blatant derailing. It definitely is slower than it was before, but I feel like it's not that much.

[Anonymous No.6902638]

>>6902619
I remember when I first started posting on /ic/, it at least felt like there was less digital. Which I dunno, I personally mostly care about trad anyways.

[Anonymous No.6902644]

>>6902619
Most normalfaggots, sure.

[Anonymous No.6902655]

>>6902614
It’s been shit for longer than three years.

[Anonymous No.6902659]

>>6902655
tell me about the glory days grampa

[Anonymous No.6902662]

>>6902655
Then shut the fuck up and leave, JFC, I've been hearing about 4chan going down since fucking 2009

[Anonymous No.6902666]

>>6902655
It's had issues since its inception. But you still had people who effort post.
You had people who were actual professionals or adv level.
Now no one improves or knows what the fuck they're doing. Just the blind leading the blind and anyone who put any effort into actually useful critique has all but fucked off.
Just look at the absolute state any of the /draw/ threads are in.

[Anonymous No.6902668]

>converting photo to b+w values to compare against value study
>color-pick red, 75% value
>add black layer in color blending mode
>color-pick again, becomes 18% value grey
"looks" right but can't help but feel i'm doing something wrong. what's happening here? some kind of compensation for different hues appearing different values to the eye? is that effect really that extreme?

[Anonymous No.6902677]

are pdfs enough for a /beg/ trying to learn? or should I purchase actual physical books

[Anonymous No.6902682]

>>6902668
you can't change hue or saturation without changing value

[Anonymous No.6902687]

>>6902677
Either. The advantage of a real paper book is that you can turn off the PC and not be tempted to browse.
I like real books, but I use pdfs a lot also.

[Anonymous No.6902688]

day 98
some anon dropped a slew of tutorials

>>6901878
this image implies im /int/?

>>6902310
>>6901424
why do these replies sound sarcastic

[Anonymous No.6902703]

>>6901878
>only females in op pic
why is ic like this? how scared are you people to draw men? so weird man

[Anonymous No.6902711]

>>6902703

[Anonymous No.6902714]

>>6902703
Probably to balance out all the Bridgman posts.

[Anonymous No.6902716]

>>6902703
Post your drawings of men.

[Anonymous No.6902722]

I'm retarded and need help. I'm working on a project that entails drawing on card stock (pokemon cards, magic the gathering, etc) and I don't know what kind of ink to use.

I've tried acrylic pens and the gloss or whatever these cards have on them as a coating doesn't like them.

I tried metallic ink brush pens and it's cool I guess but the ink itself when dried is extremely sticky and gross.

Water-based ink on that cardstard suffers the same fat only worse than acrylic.

Is there another type of ink that would work?
I'm just now considering maybe just using a fine paint brush and avoid the pens altogether? Any advice is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.6902724]

>>6902716
I don't see why the fuck not. I was working on this quick sketch earlier.

[Anonymous No.6902726]

[Anonymous No.6902729]

>>6902722
>card stock (pokemon cards, magic the gathering, etc)
These are plastic coated. They are designed to not be soiled. You will most likely need something with a strong enough solvent to eat through the coating. And that will most likely ruin your cards.
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.6902733]

>>6902711
but these people arent even drawing those big titty street fighter esque characters, theyre drawing ugly heroine addicts
>>6902714
no its very disproportionately female
>>6902716
i do, but i wont just for you
>>6902722
just use construction paper and put them in sleeves

[Anonymous No.6902738]

>>6902724
>drawings

[Anonymous No.6902741]

>>6902724
>He thinks we don't know

[Anonymous No.6902743]

>>6901878
I think I'm done bros. How did I do in this value study?

[Anonymous No.6902745]

>>6902741
huh? what u mean?

[Anonymous No.6902750]

>>6902036
>>6902745
You're littering the board, leave

[Anonymous No.6902754]

>>6902750
i don't understand the logic behind getting upset because i posted my work when somebody asked me to

[Anonymous No.6902756]

>>6902754
>>6902741

[Anonymous No.6902761]

>>6902756
huh? what u mean?

[Anonymous No.6902770]

Does /ic/ host a magma?

[Anonymous No.6902774]

>>6902770
I think you mean manga

[Anonymous No.6902778]

>>6902774
I meant an aggie.io

[Anonymous No.6902780]

>>6902770
It does get kinda hot in here sometimes (true of all of 4chins).

[Anonymous No.6902782]

>>6902774
He means https://magma.com/index, which is equivalent to shit like kuku.lu or drawpile.

[Anonymous No.6902783]

>>6902743
Try less values and don't blend value-shapes.

[Anonymous No.6902788]

>>6902770
there's a drawpile >>6894201

[Anonymous No.6902797]

>>6897409
another try with more vilppu ltd

[Anonymous No.6902808]

I'm a retarded zoomer so forgive me but I get really bored with reading these books and going through these courses on the fundamentals. Will it really be worth it if I end up going through them or can I improve on my own by "just drawing" and doing what I want to get better at?

[Anonymous No.6902812]

>>6902808
Retarded is right

[Anonymous No.6902818]

>>6902812
at least they're trying harder to get better than you
pyw

[Anonymous No.6902824]

>>6902818
What you want this time pimp, another sketch or a completed piece?

[Anonymous No.6902828]

>>6901878
It is a city at night but there’s a portal to a day part

[Anonymous No.6902829]

>>6902824
i noticed your comment has no art attached to it

[Anonymous No.6902830]

Tried to paint the drapery but it was too overwhelming

[Anonymous No.6902831]

>>6902829
Can't decide huh? Here's tennis superstar Emma Raducanu for ya, suffering from blisters and all.

[Anonymous No.6902835]

>>6902831
when are you going to finish it?

[Anonymous No.6902836]

>>6902828
People going to the portal

[Anonymous No.6902845]

>>6901940
might sound weird but how do i set up HRB in CSP
also whats a good resolution to use

[Anonymous No.6902846]

>>6902836
terrible but i really like it

[Anonymous No.6902851]

>>6902845
>felt tip pens
full opacity, minimal or no size variation to pressure
>white gel pens
same but white
>wide copic grayish markers
set opacity to your liking or turn pressure on

[Anonymous No.6902854]

>>6902835
Yes. Okay let's see what you got now

[Anonymous No.6902859]

What are some other good art forums?

[Anonymous No.6902862]

>>6902859
you're stuck here with us

[Anonymous No.6902863]

>>6902836
I really really liked the fog effect generated from the light of the traffic. Good job.

[Anonymous No.6902869]

Hello beg, i struggle. I need figure drawing, fuck references not matching what i want

>>6902828
that is VERY beg. next time try to not have half of the canvas to be gray nothing
>>6902808
just drawing works too if you will PYW from time to time and actually listen to crit. but you are overestimating reading. like it takes 5 minutes to read couple of pages from keys to drawing and then it will take you few hours drawing and practicing what the pages were about
>>6902743
its okay but for my taste there are too little black and white spots
>>6902703
coomers
>>6902677
pdf is just digital version of a book anon. it is literally the same thing unless you live in favela without electricity: then book is clearly superior option. also i guess by buying the book you have high moral ground cause you didnt pirate it
>>6902668
some colors are inherently lighter (yellow) and some darker (blue), when you are converting pic into grayscale there are about 10 different algorithms which all produce different result. Also color picking from real life photo is VERY troublesome if you pick 1 single pixel (noise). It is better to set up the tool to give you average from surrounding area
>>6902591
very nice
>>6902504
i know the original painting of this one. there is no minimum requirement to being beg. it is all about becoming INT
>>6902415
very cool!
>>6902153
minimum wage per hour times 2 times the number of hours it takes you to complete the stuff. For USA that is $7.25 * 2 * (3 hours) = $43.5 per pic. This should be your MINIMUM price per pic if you live in usa and take 3 hours to pop out something. Raise the price when more people harass you for pics than you can manage to deliver
>>6901933
art was ALWAYS driven by the desire to coom. just look at old paintings: all these naked boys, girls, women or just the sculptures. All coomers, every single one of them.
>spam
Depends on if you are actually replying something meaningful or if it is like i sometimes do: 1 word reply

[Anonymous No.6902873]

>>6902830
Drapery is hard. Maybe group your values more. The middle all the way to the left looks like it should just be one big dark value/shape.
To all the genuine begs: if you want to improve you need to not engage with argumentative shitters, larpers, and gigantic faggots. You need to practice what you're learning for more than the amount of time that you look at books, courses, and post here.

The more you get involved in typical /ic/ bullshit, the less you will improve. Guaranteed.

>/ic/ is 90% self-defeat, cynicism, projection, barely managed schizophrenia, chronic depression, self-hate, sobbing, crabbing, compulsive larping and pathetic faggotry, topped off with whining about "genetic fate"

[Anonymous No.6902884]

>>6902869
Pawell the guy can touch below his knees while standing

[Anonymous No.6902887]

>>6902884
All that talk and nothing to show for huh

[Anonymous No.6902894]

>>6901878
How do you "Draw through the pain"?
I currently draw a lot but my fundies are shit, every time I try to practice them I hate how awful they look. At this point I'm considering mind numbing drugs to make me stop caring about how awful my drawings look.
>inb4 just draw
Thats what I did to start out and I ended up crippling myself skill wise.

[Anonymous No.6902896]

>>6902894
No one asked

[Anonymous No.6902897]

>>6902896
what?
I was the one asking a question

[Anonymous No.6902904]

13 hours. 30 seconds on the background. I should take the AI pill.

[Anonymous No.6902905]

[Anonymous No.6902909]

>>6902897
Okay janny answer me this, how did you come up with the conclusion that I didn't draw pic related.
If you can't come up with an answer I want this guy >>6902738 >>6902741 banned for submitting a false report

[Anonymous No.6902912]

>>6902904
Only if you want to be a totally worthless fraud.
Keep working at it, Anon.

[Anonymous No.6902913]

>>6902726
alma

[Anonymous No.6902914]

>>6901878
Been reading through Hampton's figure drawing book, watching his vids, and taking notes. This is my attempt, not timed, just trying to get a feel for the whole thing. I'm getting closer from my last attempt and it feels like some things click at times, but I'm definitely not feeling the form much. Any feedback appreciated.

Q: What would be the best order to learn all of this?
gesture > anatomy > figure drawing?
Not sure if I'm going the wrong way about this.

[Anonymous No.6902918]

>>6902909
Anon what the fuck are you talking about?
I'm >>690289 and have no clue what you're saying. I just entered this thread

[Anonymous No.6902919]

>>6902904
is he taking a poop?

[Anonymous No.6902925]

>>6902918
Sorry I didn't mean to @you, I was trying to post from the front page and forgot to delete your post number

[Anonymous No.6902932]

>>6902925
Oh that's ok

[Anonymous No.6902937]

>>6902914
construction/form>gesture=proportion>>>>>anatomy
never did Hampton but construction and form is key, it should be your goal when figure drawing to break the body down to forms you can remember and use later. gesture and in effect, proportions, is to help bring accuracy and life to these forms. when you can do this reliability you can then dress up your figures by learning anatomy

[Anonymous No.6902939]

>>6902869
cool doggo
>>6902914
gesture and anatomy are part of figure drawing
start with gesture then move on to the beanbag torso and then boxes and cylinders for ribcage/pelvis

[Anonymous No.6902945]

shibuya rin

[Anonymous No.6902964]

I'm like a week into learning how to draw, and I decided to try my hand at construction and using references to make some people. It's poorly done, but I feel like it was valuable to me? It was actually kind of fun to break the body up into shapes, but not really sure how to improve anything other than just be more accurate.

[Anonymous No.6902977]

>>6902894
start smoking weed or smth idk, also whos this friendly looking fella in this picture?

[Anonymous No.6902982]

>>6902977
idk but he kind of looks like me. Love his eyes full of life, almost like a hobbit winner of the genetic jackpot. Great work.

[Anonymous No.6903002]

>>6902894
I get you. It's hard not to look at my own work and get upset at my shortcomings since I'm really new to drawing. even though I know I'm nowhere near good, the frustration sometimes gets through. I smoke from time to time to calm my nerves and it does help me get past that initial barrier, get focused (not hating my skills), and have fun figuring everything out. since the root cause is personal/mental, I would recommend trying something else to calm you down/get over your hang-ups first though, like real self-evaluation as to why you feel that way in the first place and being realistic with expectations.

[Anonymous No.6903008]

>>6903002
>I smoke from time to time to calm my nerves
Pot or cigs?
If cigs you're like the 4th artist I've talked to that does

[Anonymous No.6903015]

Yo how the fuck do you develop talent a creativity ??? I feel like I’m nothing but a copying machine at this point. Picrel is an obvious copy I made, but when it comes to creating my own pieces I always feel like I come flat. Granted I’ve been working full time and haven’t put the time into art that I should, but seriously how do I get to the point of making my own original work without feeling it falls flat ?

[Anonymous No.6903019]

>>6903008
started both when I was in my teens and regret cigs 100%. I'm sure I don't have to say it, but don't do it ever. Those who smoke aren't necessarily bad people or anything, but the stigma, inconveniences, and difficulty in quitting are worse than the negatives to your health ever could be.

[Anonymous No.6903020]

>>6903015
Use your imagination, anon.

[Anonymous No.6903030]

[Anonymous No.6903031]

[Anonymous No.6903032]

>>6903015
you have to imagine yourself doing 100 situps, 100 push ups, 100 squats, and a 10km run every day. this will train the brain (im a poet and i didnt realize)

[Anonymous No.6903039]

[Anonymous No.6903041]

Randum doodle

[Anonymous No.6903046]

Day 9 of learning the basics n whatnot. Didn't do any value practices today, so I'll start with that tomorrow. Did some imagination stuff, did some sketch stuff. Felt like drawing cats and snakes, so I did. I absolutely got FILTERED, by snakes today though. I thought it'd be easy, but my brain went all dumb trying to draw them. Also learned something new from Proko; Line weight and how you can use it for depth, form, shadow, etc. Was really interesting. His assignment for it was to trace over a line art of his(that rhino) and try to apply line weight. Like darken lines that are near shadows n whatnot. I kinda botched the first one, since I didn't fully comprehend what I was supposed to do. Felt better about the second one, but It's unfinished. I'll get to that tomorrow. Overall a feelsgud day.

[Anonymous No.6903049]

>>6903046
you scared me, bwo. i thought you were gonna miss a day

[Anonymous No.6903050]

Ignoring the hands and my messy line, what's your opinion on the proportions and poses? I mean, do you understand what is happening in the image? What can I correct before moving forward?

[Anonymous No.6903053]

>Did a signup.
>Cant draw for shit
Welp.

[Anonymous No.6903066]

>>6903015
>Use your imagination, anon.
Everything I draw from imagination ends up looking like complete shit. I can copy things easy, and I can kinda compose things but I have to have irl or photo references to work from.

Picrel is the closest I’ve come to a finished original
>>6903032
No clue wtf that means

[Anonymous No.6903071]

>>6903020
>Use your imagination, anon.
Everything I draw from imagination ends up looking like complete shit. I can copy things easy, and I can kinda compose things but I have to have irl or photo references to work from.

Picrel is the closest I’ve come to a finished original and it only came out nice because I had the knife in front of me.
>>6903032 #
No clue wtf that means

[Anonymous No.6903078]

>>6903039
Your colours aren’t bad (still off but close enough) the biggest problem is your proportions are off, you either need to spend more time measuring and practicing accuracy in the beginning stages of your drawing, or be willing to correct and erase things when they fall out of proportion later on.

[Anonymous No.6903101]

[Anonymous No.6903104]

>>6902089
Nice Japanese style perspective

[Anonymous No.6903114]

>>6902964
this is pretty good for a week in! keep at it ganbare anon

[Anonymous No.6903132]

>>6903071
>Picrel is the closest I’ve come to a finished original and it only came out nice because I had the knife in front of me.
Well then, not everything you draw from imagination ends up shit, anon. If you're able to do something adequately with a reference, try applying the same to an imaginary pose you've made up in your head made while referring to multiple references that are tangentially similar to it to recreate it accurately. Or better yet, draw something you really wanna see. Why did you start drawing anon? If it was to draw porn, then start doing that. If it's to do fine art, then start doing fine art. At the end of the day, there's no right answer to the question of "What should I draw", and the solution to the question of "how do I draw it" always changes depending on what it is you're going to draw.

Everything you're learning are tools to help you draw the images in your head, they strict guidelines that you must follow to create art.

[Anonymous No.6903133]

>>6903132
>they strict guidelines that you must follow to create art.
*they are not strict guidelines
It's late.

[Anonymous No.6903144]

How to draw good figures in perspective like this?

[Anonymous No.6903152]

>>6903071
Drawing from imagination is a skill in itself anon. It takes practice. And you'll still need to use reference to varying degrees, too. Keep going.

[Anonymous No.6903164]

Morpho stuff is useful but ugly.
>>6901948
Instead of worrying about colors and stuff, practice rendering primitive forms in grayscale. Vilppu and Marc Brunet have good tutorials on rendering with modeling tone. Learn that first since you don’t have to think about light physics. Next, Brent Eviston and Proko have good videos on rendering using light and shadow.
>>6901951
Thanks, fren
>>6902266
>>6902303
Trad? Takes balls to draw lewds on physical media. Her calf gesture might’ve been pushed too far.
>>6902320
Hey, you went on hiatus too? Welcome back!
>>6902415
You pulled it off quite well
>>6902500
Yeah, looks pretty cool. Now draw the rest of the owl!
>>6902504
>>6902506
We are all /beg/ on this blessed day. Good for you for picking it back up. You’ll see gains return pretty quickly I bet. Before doing anything else, try doing a bit of observation stuff like Brent eviston teaches (or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing) to retrain that muscle.
>>6902591
It looks like each of her eyes are focused on a different thing, like a chameleon. It comes off very unsettling. Which is great if it’s on purpose.
>>6902599
Neat. I hope things are going good for you now anon, at least good enough to take up drawing again. :)
>>6902797
These are a bit more lively than before, good job! Keep grinding Vilppu and you’ll level up pretty fast
>>6902869
Thanks. Makes sense. Aren’t you actually planning to make a coom game or something? Why’ve you been doing gritty horror stuff? Also I miss your cute little space bunny guy wandering around 5 point perspective dreamworlds. Shit was cash. Are you gonna make a horror porn game in 5 point perspective?
>>6902945
Are you googley-eye anon? Please do more stuff in your own style, it’s SO goddamn good
>>6902964
Not bad for a week in! Try doing the first 4 or so lessons of Draw A Box. And/or do exercises from Mark’s Drawing Tutorials on YouTube. Once you can feel the form, do Vilppu’s Drawing Manual

[Anonymous No.6903170]

>>6903164
Meds now

[Anonymous No.6903179]

>>6903170
nta, faggot kys

[Anonymous No.6903180]

>>6903164
good studies anon

[Anonymous No.6903239]

>>6902602
Yep, I screwed up

[Anonymous No.6903242]

got demoralised for a few days after some of the trickier pages [drawing 8 objects in a single hour is a high bar] but kept drawing through it, back to posting today. happy with the little tree at the end even if it's way off-ref. also thanks all for the help with >>6902668 much appreciated

>>6903164
lookin good, can't wait to get into morpho later down the line
>>6903050
legs on the left look far too small, raised foor should only come up to about the other leg's knee. looks a little stiff too - if she's flying to the right, her arms should probably flow along in the direction her legs are moving to match the overall action. right side is much much more readable, only major complaint would be that the shoe on the left should be giving way to the bend of her ankle rather than being stiff and solid. keep it up
>>6903046
continuing to impress, very nice
>>6902873
liking this guide [?] a lot, any idea where it's from?
>>6902668
only concern is finding a good scan. if you can only find shitty scans [even on irc, ic torrent etc] then there's no good alternative. also if you're specifically getting a book to study color, keep in mind that the scan you get probably won't match the physical print colors 1:1, so it might be worth it there too
>>6902687
nice tree
>>6903101
nice nice

[Anonymous No.6903283]

>>6903242
The artist is 82pidgeon https://twitter.com/666pigeon?lang=en

[Anonymous No.6903289]

>>6902703
>>6902703
Take a look at the last OP picture and the one before that. Pawell and all the other white-void Bridgeman chickenscratch study symbol-drawing /beg/gars don't draw actual subjects, they just waste all their time making unappealing studies so they can get better at making unappealing studies. You notice how the whitevoid chickenscratchers only ever reply to each other and mostly ignore finished work? They're the same ones making the OPs too

[Anonymous No.6903290]

Any guides on making lineart look nice? Variation in thickness doesn't seem to help much.

[Anonymous No.6903302]

>>6903289
cranky because your finished piece drawings got ignored aren’t you

[Anonymous No.6903305]

Work in progress.
Fuck I hate colouring, because by the time I get to it I also pick up mistakes in the line art... but I finish the line art, finish the colour, then move onto something else.

[Anonymous No.6903306]

>>6903302
kek

[Anonymous No.6903309]

>>6903305
>>6903101
>>6903041

[Anonymous No.6903310]

>>6903302
>sub 80-IQ projection
How pathetically predictable. Don't you have another shitty Loomis head copy to post?

[Anonymous No.6903311]

>>6903310
pyw

[Anonymous No.6903313]

>>6902869
>>6903164
>>6903242
Thanks.
Have a birdy.

[Anonymous No.6903322]

>>6903310
it’s not projection when you’re the one writing essays about finished works getting ignored, not me

[Anonymous No.6903325]

>essay
>barely 300 characters, if that
NTA but I hate zoomers so fucking much.

[Anonymous No.6903328]

>>6903325
it’s a figure of speech you illiterate mongoloid. learn how to use the reply button and read a book before you start sperging about zoomers and crying about how you deserve more (you)s

[Anonymous No.6903329]

>>6903132
>Well then, not everything you draw from imagination ends up shit, anon. If you're able to do something adequately with a reference, try applying the same to an imaginary pose you've made up in your head made while referring to multiple references that are tangentially similar to it to recreate it accurately.
I’ll try that, I think honestly half my problem is if I don’t draw something immediately good from my head I give up on it, when I should just be aiming to make stuff from my head more in general and worrying about the quality afterwards.

> Or better yet, draw something you really wanna see. Why did you start drawing anon?
Oh shit I don’t even know any more man. I used to like drawing pretty women not in like sexual stuff or anything but just cause I loved their faces and the dresses. Now though my depression has taken such holds of me I draw bottles, knifes and not much else. I don’t even enjoy it but I find the still objects are good studies.


>If it was to draw porn, then start doing that. If it's to do fine art, then start doing fine art. At the end of the day, there's no right answer to the question of "What should I draw", and the solution to the question of "how do I draw it" always changes depending on what it is you're going to draw.

Yeah true, I need to get into the rhythm of drawing daily or at least more often then I am now. The last time I actually drew for an extended period was when I tried to do a copy of a Stalin painting.

[Anonymous No.6903333]

>>6901878
>>6901990
>>6902255
>>6902089
>>6902831
>>6902977
>>6903039
>So You Think You're a Camera: The Thread
Ah yes, more boring pointless art

[Anonymous No.6903335]

>>6902977
>>6902982
Is this exchange real or am I stupid

[Anonymous No.6903337]

>>6903333
the only boring one is you, yawn

[Anonymous No.6903341]

>>6902281
Nice, the proportions aren’t bad. Try adding in some value though, find a good photo that has nice highlights and shadow and see how well you can start blocking in parts. I think your outline work if good, some values though and it will really start to become next level.

[Anonymous No.6903345]

>>6903337
>n-n-o YOU
Idiot-kun you forgot to insult me

[Anonymous No.6903348]

>>6903345
your post doesn't deserve more than that. reflect on your life

[Anonymous No.6903397]

I did a David Finch study, 8 days into learning how to draw. I realized once I got to the hair, I just couldn't do it. It was way too complex and beautiful to me that trying to recreate it just wasn't coming out even close to an attempt, so I just dropped it. Tried my best on the rest, though.

[Anonymous No.6903408]

>>6903397
Looks nice man!

[Anonymous No.6903415]

>>6903289
was there even finished work last thread ?

[Anonymous No.6903416]

>>6902227
>>6902237
this is great advice, seconded cause if you just get bored or sick of drawing studies you'll get more mileage out of drawing things you enjoy ontop of studies

[Anonymous No.6903444]

>>6902884
>lazarus is disguisting ravenous creature. half human beast his elongaled limbs and shambolic slender figure gives him appearance of permanent hunger: a starving dog that has been left in dark for too long
anon i am drawing a fucking deformed demons so vile they make professional soldiers scream, break formation and run away in horror just from their visage
>>6902894
less thinking, more drawing. you are like fatty on diet complaining about hunger or weak person at gym complaining he cannot lift as big numbers as people on roids who are lifting for years
>>6903015
pic related
>>6903144
draw a box in perspective. split the box vertically in 7 sections. now fit head into one of the sections and then draw rest of the body proportionally into other segments (chest is 2 heads talls). Like link related
https://pawell2418.github.io/p/345.jpg
if you dont know how to split foreshortened objects in perspective using diagonals and measuring points then you need to read some perspective book first.
>>6903397
you dont learn anything by giving up, you have to think less and draw more, results be damned! after you fail enough times you will deplete all wrong ways and find a solution instead. tldr go back and draw that fucking hair

[Anonymous No.6903475]

>>6903444
Thanks for kicking my ass about the hair. I kinda fucked it up pretty bad, but I tried. Honestly I could barely make sense of the hair here, makes me wonder how Finch can do it.

[Anonymous No.6903486]

>>6903444
>anon i am drawing a fucking deformed demons so vile they make professional soldiers scream
post them
also thats not anon thats pawell

[Anonymous No.6903493]

not too bad i suppose
but anatomical correctness isnt the main focus yet, the shadow placement will be, which i will put in after a break later.

[Anonymous No.6903514]

>>6903444
What a schizoid

[Anonymous No.6903523]

>>6903444
>less thinking, more drawing
>think less and draw more
terrible mindset that will keep you permabeg forever pawell
also when will you realise that loomis is a hack and start doing reilly instead?

[Anonymous No.6903557]

Tried fixing a pose from yesterday and I feel retarded.

[Anonymous No.6903558]

>>6903329
smol head

[Anonymous No.6903565]

>>6903329
>I think honestly half my problem is if I don’t draw something immediately good from my head I give up on it
That's the biggest hurdle that is holding you back, anon. You cannot fear failure or it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Whenever I sketch something, it's always lopsided, off, misshapen, and imperfect but that's just fine. Sketching is when you're allowed to make mistakes because your goal is to get the idea down on paper. It's also the best time to experiment with your drawings too! You can fix and refine the idea as you continue drawing it, so there's no repercussions for failure, because during the sketching phase your drawing will be as ephemeral and loose as it is in your imagination!

[Anonymous No.6903571]

>>6903565
Great now how do I end up making drawings that don't look like shit

[Anonymous No.6903578]

i just want to learn anatomy, i know how to draw cube in 1,2, and 3 vanishing point, can i jump to anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6903582]

>>6903578
yeah you have my permission

[Anonymous No.6903584]

>>6903578
you cannot. first you need to learn:
1. linework
2. relationships
3. direction of growth
4. form
5. planes
6. light & shade on form
7. proportions
8. concept of action

[Anonymous No.6903588]

>>6903571
Patience and through multiple revisions, obviously. It helps to expedite this process if you have a friend to bounce your drawings off of. They don't even need to be artists themselves since even the average joe can tell if something is off immediately. From there, you just need to build confidence in your own ability to not fuck up.

[Anonymous No.6903592]

>>6903584
dang it

[Anonymous No.6903593]

>>6903578
>i just want to learn anatomy
Then grab a medical textbook anon.

[Anonymous No.6903595]

>>6903593
i thought i need to learn how to draw it....

[Anonymous No.6903597]

You guys are humoring the derailer again.

[Anonymous No.6903599]

>>6903597
>derailer
i legit want to learn anatomy since i need it for 3D sculpting...

[Anonymous No.6903605]

>>6903599
>3D sculpting
get outta here

[Anonymous No.6903612]

>>6903584
>direction of growth
What is this shit you've made up anon?

[Anonymous No.6903613]

>>6903333
Like look, I'm not going to draw children's cartoons just because you want me to. If your mental capacity is unable to appreciate reality and what it takes to capture with your hand that's on you.

[Anonymous No.6903614]

>want to draw
>draw
>hate drawings
>try to fix drawings
>drawings are now worse
>abandon drawings and try again
>new drawings are worse than the original drawing you made
>hate drawing
>get on /beg/
>try to think of twenty different ways to ask how to break loop
>can’t think of a way that won’t get ignored or given an answer too vague to follow
>can’t get too introspective or they’ll tell you to go to /adv/ and /adv/ is no help
>eventually give up
>don’t draw for a week
>get itch to draw again
>repeat
How do I just stop wanting to do anything creative? I clearly am not getting anywhere with this, I’m not happy with my output but I don’t make steps to change it and the minor shit like the hotel desks and chairs being awful to sit in aren’t good excuses. I just throw myself into a grumbly funk about all the fuckups of my life trying to eke out characters and ideas for this amorphous collection of animatics to random songs I like I got buzzing in my head. I can’t untangle this into something with value and I fucking hate it, I hate being unable to create good things. I hate making bad art. And I know, I know you gotta make bad art to make good art but it, I fucking, I fuckcING HATE MAKING THE BAD ART TOO MUCH. So just, how do I stop? How do I stop caring about making this thing real, how do I get it out of my brain and just play Minecraft a lot next year? This is all I got to drawing tonight before I got fed up, I clearly don’t have the patience to make art, so why do I want to make it? Why can’t I just give up instead of doing this cycle of frustration and zero improvement from anxiety over the bsd art? I hate this, I hate fucking drawing, but I want to like it, I want to make things people like and share and comment and I just can’t hold the ficking patinece to grt good.

[Anonymous No.6903615]

>>6903612
It's a fancy word for height, retard.

[Anonymous No.6903625]

>>6903615
Why dont you put breadth and depth on your made up list while your at it.

[Anonymous No.6903631]

>>6903612
>made up
keep looming, loomer

[Anonymous No.6903633]

>>6903631
Think you need to read chapter 4 and not just look at the pictures for once.

[Anonymous No.6903638]

>>6903633
uh huh yeah
loomin' today?

[Anonymous No.6903641]

>>6903638
Just look how high that shell lying down is

[Anonymous No.6903642]

>>6903614
Your problem is unsolvable.

[Anonymous No.6903644]

>>6903641
Stop embarrassing yourself, seriously

[Anonymous No.6903645]

>>6903641
i fail to understand the point of your schizo babble

[Anonymous No.6903648]

>>6903644
>>6903645
>Direction of growth is a fancy word for height, retard.

[Anonymous No.6903650]

>>6903614
stop being scared of failing faggot
push through it
quit being gay and quit sucking cock you cocksucker

[Anonymous No.6903652]

>>6903648
loomis has made you stupid i see

[Anonymous No.6903655]

the absolute state

[Anonymous No.6903656]

>>6903650
We don't sign our posts here

[Anonymous No.6903660]

>>6903652
At least I dont confuse growth with height.

[Anonymous No.6903663]

>>6903650
>stop being scared of failing faggot
I don’t know how to do that. I hate failing so fucking much.

[Anonymous No.6903662]

>growth pattern of trees, their roots and branches and of leafs
>height

[Anonymous No.6903669]

>>6903663
Look like, there's only so much you can do with your current ability. Why not focus on the effort you need to make instead of what you can't do currently?

[Anonymous No.6903671]

>tree are tall

[Anonymous No.6903672]

>trees are tall

[loomer No.6903673]

>im retarded

[Anonymous No.6903677]

Well, certainly looks better clothed than before. Question: I plan on inking this, is it typical to indicate final details like hatching before inking, or leave that for while you're inking?

[Anonymous No.6903678]

Hey /beg/, I need some critique/advice.

How do you make sure you’re drawing to the horizon when it’s not on the page?
Anyone use colored pencils who can offer tips to less Chis-Chan like shading?

[Anonymous No.6903686]

>>6903669
>Why not focus on the effort you need to make instead of what you can't do currently?
I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean.

[Anonymous No.6903688]

>>6903678
Eyeball it or indicate it on your desk with like a piece sticky tack. Either way the perspective of the scene feels very broken vertically.

[Anonymous No.6903691]

>>6903686
NTA, but what are the steps you should take towards "making it" currently? He's saying that's what you should focus on.

[Anonymous No.6903698]

>>6903677
trace it to another piece of paper and you can try both ways.

[Anonymous No.6903700]

>>6903678
>How do you make sure you’re drawing to the horizon when it’s not on the page?
It's a projection, you work towards your vanishing point that is placed in the horizon of your drawing.
>Anyone use colored pencils who can offer tips to less Chis-Chan like shading?
You can always try blending the colors and your strokes with a soft cloth, a napkin or even a piece of paper.
Even if you don't have the ability to make your strokes look uniform blending them make the overall composition look more smooth.

[Anonymous No.6903713]

>>6903595
You're not allowed to draw people until you have an medical degree and at least 20 years experience in the medical field.

[Anonymous No.6903715]

>>6903614
>How do I just stop wanting to do anything creative?
Nigger, you're going to make bad art until you stop making bad art. Drawing is 100% about creativity, why the fuck would you want to stop being creative?

[Anonymous No.6903728]

>>6903672
Fact checked FALSE

[Anonymous No.6903732]

Thought I'd pop back in here to say a few words of thanks to the people who gave me feedback, it was the missing puzzle piece I needed. Despite using this site far too much, I've never really delved into this board. And honestly there's such a refreshing attitude towards improvement compared to the wider art community. When you ask for critique most places elsewhere, all you get is a "Wow this looks cool, I'm going to sugar-coat the fuck out of this and refuse to explain why what I said looks strange looks strange." But here it seems to be a "This looks like shit, I'm going to explain the fundamentals to you so you can understand why." Being faceless comes with complete honesty. Many thanks, anon! Hope to see you folks again soon.

[Anonymous No.6903741]

>>6903732
Keep going strong Anon like I said before I hope to see more of your OC on the future, loving the creativity behind the backstory and the appealing design.
I will defo check out your blog.

[Anonymous No.6903755]

>>6903663
everyone hates failing, you'll never get better if you don't fail
suck it up or just quit

[Anonymous No.6903773]

>>6903493
turned out ok
i could render the shadow cleaner if i did it again but i cant be arsed because to get to this point it took me long enough.
i dont easily blame the brush i use but for this i definitely was using a bad brush at first which slowed me down a lot.
turns out photoshop had a better pencil brush i hadnt tried before.
but even with this brush im still struggling a bit. i could do this better on paper.
got any advice on how to better emulate a real pencil? i suppose i should first pick a lighter color for the lighter areas and then pick a darker color, i was doing this with near-black the whole time. ill try that next time.

[Anonymous No.6903778]

>>6903773
huh when i put together the layers of my first and second attempt it looks better

[Anonymous No.6903797]

More Bridgman.

[Anonymous No.6903804]

>>6903797
how about getting fundamentals down before grinding bridgman

[Anonymous No.6903806]

>>6903804
Pyw

[Anonymous No.6903809]

>>6903656
>t.idiotic cocksucking cocksucker who sucks cock

[Anonymous No.6903830]

can't stop trying to polish the turds

[Anonymous No.6903843]

Yeah, I’m not good enough yet for a 1 or even 2 minute timer to be useful when practicing gestures. Maybe a stopwatch so I can track time under tension lol
>>6903015
Creativity is just connecting and combining existing things into something else. Or removing stuff from an existing thing to make it into something else. It’s hard to train “creativity” but it’s easy enough to practice “connectivity.” Exploring relationships and connections between different things and the connections between parts that make up a whole. Then just play with those connections. Addition: “How can I combine this thing with that?” Subtraction: what something would be like if you removed some aspect of it. “How would doctors work if they couldn’t see?” “What would modern tech look like without internal combustion?” Metaphor is a big one. “How is this thing like something else?” And contrasting ideas are classic to the point of being borderline archetypal, like the sexy nun or gentle giant or gap moe. Also anthropomorphization. Much of it is also just asking dumb questions and drawing the answer to them.
>>6903030
Interesting colors. Why’s that guy holding a giant screw? Where’d he get it?
>>6903031
I think your gestures are great. Those guys could do a lot with them tongues…
>>6903041
Cute, soulful and not bad at all. The lettering on the danger sign above her head isn’t in the same perspective as the wall, and it’s missing the bottom of the “E” and “R” so it looks like the sign just says “dang!” The little section of wall in the corner is throwing off the perspective. Overall this is great tho
>>6903050
Looks like one magical girl is yanking another by her cape. Try drawing these poses as nudes, or try to redline your own drawing to see if those legs connect up to hips in a way that makes sense. Especially the girl being yanked
>>6903144
That “in order to draw this, first you must be able to draw this” thing with the anime box girls

[Anonymous No.6903844]

>>6903809
Nice blog post

[Anonymous No.6903857]

>>6903804
You need more Loomis

[Anonymous No.6903874]

>>6903662
What's this from?

[Anonymous No.6903882]

>>6903614
Let go of your ego. Get over yourself and stop taking things so seriously. You’re taking yourself too seriously because you use words like “my art” and “my output” and wanting to draw stuff for social media engagement. Study things that you wouldn’t mind studying/analyzing staring at just for their own sake. Whether that’s copying the art that you love, studying serene landscapes, feeling the form of a woman’s butt dimples, analyzing totally sweet tanks and monster trucks, whatever. Stuff that you would attempt anyway regardless of the appearance of your sketches, things worth drawing ugly because you just think they’re so neat to look at.

Also, do low-stakes exercises so you won’t bruise your fragile ego if they come out ugly because they’re already ugly and it doesn’t matter anyway. Simple shapes and primitives. Rotate boxes, do line control exercises, etc. Do Draw A Box. Draw 3d forms like chains only with scribbles.

Don’t expect to be good until you’ve earned it. In fact, don’t expect to be good ever, because as you get better, your ability to notice flaws will improve beyond your drawing ability and you’ll never be satisfied. Give up on drawing for ego. Just have fun instead. Hell, take a week of just drawing things bad on purpose, as a joke.

If you want to draw. Maybe you don’t. If you’d be happy to commission others to draw your OCs like you’re a writer hiring an illustrator, you might go to /g/ and learn about AI. If the thing that matters to you is just pretty output of characters you dream up, and you really just want to have neat characters and stories that people like on social media, then AI might be a workable solution. Use AI as your illustrator. Otherwise, put your ego aside and do the things you know you must, just for their own sake.

[Anonymous No.6903889]

>>6903843
>Interesting colors. Why’s that guy holding a giant screw? Where’d he get it?
In my story, goblins are tinkerers who build big machines, so giant screws are readily available. He’s old and needs a cane, and just settled on using the giant screw.

[Anonymous No.6903890]

>>6903164
>>6903242
I haven't visited this shithole board in almost a year, I have to say that there's actually some improvement in your stuff.
Good job

[Anonymous No.6903906]

>>6903890
>I haven't visited this shithole board in almost a year
Why the relapse? I wish I could leave this fucking place.

[Anonymous No.6903918]

The Burne Hogarth study guy here, wondering if someone has the Figure Drawing: Design and Invention by Michael Hampton book somewhere?

If someone has it as a .pdf or a .rar/zip that would be great. I may want to move onto that after I feel I am done with Burne Hogarth's figure drawing book.

[Anonymous No.6903921]

>>6903778
>>6903773
>i suppose i should first pick a lighter color for the lighter areas and then pick a darker color, i was doing this with near-black the whole time. ill try that next time.
yep, decided to go back to it and i did that. this worked out so much better it blew my mind a little bit.
i redid it in haste (because ive got cold beverage i want to drink after this) so i could do this even better if i put the time in. man this brush works so much better than the other one i used prior.
oh and i kept things a little lighter because i didnt see a reason not to, i didnt like the stark contrast.

[Anonymous No.6903926]

>>6903918
aHR0cHM6Ly9saWJnZW4ubGkvZWRpdGlvbi5waHA/aWQ9MTM2NjUzNzQ1
base64

[Anonymous No.6903933]

>>6903926
Thank you so much!

[Anonymous No.6904030]

>>6903830
Just needed some blending love.
Good work, you're seperating shapes and colors
GMI

[Anonymous No.6904043]

>>6903678
1. when drawing scenery with very tall objects with tilted camera you want to utilize 3 points perspective. the way you drew this kinda implies the trees are lying sideways instead of growing towards the sky. Link very related, check it out
https://images7.alphacoders.com/100/thumb-1920-1009681.jpg
Notice how all trees are pointing towards the 3rd vanishing point which isnt located on horizon, but instead it is bellow the ground directly bellow the camera. It is called nadir (zenith is when you are looking up). Essentially drawing tree underneath camera is like drawing finger pointing at camera: you only draw the tip of the finger (foreshortened).

2. to cope with vanishing points outside your canvas as tradchad you will need a ruler: for normal vanishing points draw 2 vertical lines, then draw ANY 2 lines which both aim in the direction of desired vanishing point: this way you get two line segments. Split these into halves, quarters, quads. Then connect them like in pic related: what are you doing is essentially drawing perspective grid which you can then use for very high precision. For nadir / zenith you do the same thing, but with horizontal lines.

3. instead of trying to fill whole area with the pencil, be like a pro and instead draw contour lines / textures. Aka when drawing grass do some sharp hair like spikes implying leaves, when drawing tree bark do scribbles to imply the trees bark is rough and so on

TLDR read framed perspective book.

[Anonymous No.6904209]

>>6903584
You know studying anatomy will teach you all those things right? Are you retarded

[Anonymous No.6904224]

>>6902909
>Joe Burrow
Kek

[Anonymous No.6904250]

Do you get better by just drawing more or do you have to learn lessons online and read books and shit. I got Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson

[Anonymous No.6904252]

>>6904249
>>6904249
bread
>>6904249

[Anonymous No.6904280]

I compensate my lack of skill with drawing simple odd things.

[Anonymous No.6904282]

>>6904280
I’m wanting to get better though so I’m going to practice on random objects I look at.

[Anonymous No.6904343]

>>6904250
You literally not allowed to draw specific things until you complete mastery exams, anon. If you can't pass your 3-point perspective and observation test, you'll never get your artistic license.

[Anonymous No.6904384]

>>6904282

[Anonymous No.6904591]

>>6903732
I usually really hate this genre of character sheets because it has always been kinda infantile crap. 2000-15 was the deviantART era of edgy OCs and anime self-inserts. Now it's oversaturated with reclusive kids that 1) can't draw for shit 2) can't write character descriptions without including pronouns, xsexual, ygender. Maybe I sound annoying for the last point, but it tends to lead to extremely uninteresting characters.
Props for not going the cliché route, and the art looks decently polished (though there's always room for further development). Aside from that, always proofread your text (there's a redundant article in the first sentence).

[Anonymous No.6904592]

>>6903921
What book are you using for these? It looks familiar.

[Anonymous No.6904698]

>>6903691
‘Making it’ is manifesting the fanfiction idea I have for a story that’s buzzing in my head

I don’t have all the parts of the story beyond loose basics but the basics I know I want to have is
-I want to create a drawn, something, be it comics, digital animation ala pixel-art with short full animation scenes, or just animation.
-I want 108 chapters of this thing. The number references esoteric stuff involving Dharmic religions that the magic systems are very loosely drawing from, so it’s important I make 108 of those. The structure and number is important because, well it just is I’m not questioning the autism on this.

Beyond that and stuff involving the story, I don’t have much of a structure, just doing what I can do and doing it in a pace that strikes while the show it’s referenced on is culturally relevant, recently. This would be silly to make in the middle of the 2030s for instance, I want to start presenting this on a specific day three years after the show ended for other autistic reasons involving Pokemon Gold/Silver, and I feel like waiting longer would be too long. I’m trying to create in the style of the show, and learn the basics of art creation as I go so I can make this thing look good.

It’s just overwhelming though because I don’t know how to break up the few plot events I’ve already got somewhat tangible, and stretch out the ideas into a functional story of three 36 episode seasons. I need to design characters for the story, parts of the story to flesh out the pace, and check off a few plot and character arc boxes I want checked off. I only have Fun with a Pencil and How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way on hand, art supplies are limited and I keep losing them, and while I’ve told my folks I want to go halfsies on a Cintiq 22 so I can start drawing digitally, I have a feeling they’re gonna just ignore it and give me some 80 dollar tablet and I’ll have to save for the thing myself.

[Anonymous No.6904711]

>>6903882
I want to have pride in what I’ve accomplished and peace in my pace. I guess fragile ego is a way to view it, but I don’t know how to challenge the thoughts that destroy it. I’m 33 and I feel directionless, and pointless, and I hate feeling that. I hate feeling that I am beholden to this single consciousness and I’ve done so little with it. I haven’t dated people, I haven’t gotten a job my parents respect me for, I’m fat, I haven’t got skills and I floundered in college. I need a direction or purpose to myself or else I’ve just been, and being has been awful and I’d rather kill myself than just keep being, just keep doing nothing, having no kids or love, just working unappreciated jobs for basic pay and having middling success in video games.

Either I want to just find happiness with my lot, or be able to manifest success in some creative field, to rebuke the suicidal ideation I have daily. Just talking about this, I feel it’s undoable and want to die, and I don’t want to feel that. Making this art thing feels like a bulwark against that, like a big sign I can return to and go ‘No, (me), you made this and people enjoyed it, you made a tangible impact on the world and put your name to it.’ All I have right now similar to that is greentext shitposts and I can’t put my name to THEM, that’s cringe. I don’t want to leave being the guy who just keeps fucking up again and again and that’s all my life feels like. I want to win, I want to feel like I did something, I changed the world in some small way by being here and art seems to be the way to get that.

Either that or just die. Just check out right now, and no one wants me to do that except 4chan and only jokingly.

[Anonymous No.6904749]

>>6904698
>The number references esoteric stuff involving Dharmic religions
Think your best resource regarding designing a manga based around Buddhist concepts like that shit would be Houseki no Kuni.

[Anonymous No.6904998]

>>6904711
>fat
>depressed
Oh well no wonder, then. Of course you don’t feel motivated to do art, Anon. No matter how well you draw. You’re depressed, silly. Good news is depression and obesity are actually easy to fix. Well, simple to fix. For the next 30 days (it’ll start working sooner, within the week) I want you to do this:
>eat literally ONLY FATTY RED MEAT and salt to taste
>do not eat literally ANYTHING else except prescribed meds
>drink ONLY pure water
>drink literally nothing else

Talk to your doctor about monitoring any meds you take as you will probably need them to lower the dosage, especially if you’re on anything like insulin, metformin, painkillers, or blood pressure meds.

If you’re caffeine dependent, then detoxing from caffeine might suck too much along with everything else, so you might want to take low dose caffeine pills to stave off headaches. Caffeine pills are preferable to drinking coffee in this case, because you’re doing an elimination diet. But if you’re only an occasional coffee drinker, you can try stopping cold turkey.

Do that and your depression will go away.
It’ll just not be there anymore
Try it.
If I’m wrong, you can kill yourself just to spite me if you want. But REALLY try it exactly as described for at least 30 days. You’ll feel it start working before then, but give it the full 30 days at least to assure yourself it’s not placebo. Then you can begin slowly adding back one animal-based food at a time, every couple weeks if you want — like eggs or chicken or butter — and see how you do. But start off as strict as you can for the fastest result.

That instinct whispering that life shouldn’t be this way, that it can be different if you only knew how? It’s right. You can do it, Anon.

>t. put treatment-resistant suicidal depression in complete remission for 5 years and counting with a carnivore diet. Plus other neat stuff including losing about 100 pounds of fat and gaining about 12 pounds of muscle.

[Anonymous No.6905087]

I never draw more than 30 min at most. I don't have a goal. I am demotivated. It's like the whole world screams, don't draw. From now on I will stop studying fundies and go straight to what I want to draw from the deepest of my soul, or I will die while trying. Which is more likely, I spend the whole evening and night (11pm to 7 am) drunk. I am drunk as fuck right now and I don't know what to do with my life and I hate humanity. If I had a button to kill everyone but myself and a qt.13 I would press it.

[Anonymous No.6905189]

>>6904998
Fatty red meat? What like hamburger meat? Ground chuck?

[Anonymous No.6905192]

>>6904998
Don’t have to worry about the caffiene, coffee gives me anxiety attacks.

[Anonymous No.6905711]

>>6904998
My advice is to not take diet advice from /ic/beg/.

[Anonymous No.6905729]

>>6904998
>If you’re caffeine dependent, then detoxing from caffeine might suck too much
It literally just takes one day of really bad headaches to get over caffeine addiction, anon. Do it on a weekend or something and sleep it off.

[Anonymous No.6906499]

>>6901878
a long way to go still, but I'm happy with seeing some progress no matter how small. proud of 4, especially.

[Anonymous No.6906589]

>upload something
>disproportionate reaction and praise
>cant tell if they actually like it or if they are fucking with me

[Anonymous No.6906598]

>>6906589
React thanking them for the praise, the baiters will be baited to correct you and the genuine praise will stay silent.