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Does /ic/ know how to draw cars or are exclusively into fugure drawing? If you learn to draw people and landscapes will you get better at drawing cars and other machines?

>> No.6892975

>>6892969
90% of drawing anything is literally just understanding Perspective and Viewing angles
If you can visualize any angle of rotation and tilt, and understand how to create a cube and multiply it, you can draw anything knowing its proportions in the xyz

>If you learn to draw people and landscapes will you get better at drawing cars and other machines?

It literally depends on how to practice this, if you are just drawing mindlessly copying you won't learn jackshit
If you actually do the hard work of breaking what you see into its perspective/proportions, and then recreate it
You will learn a lot, very fast

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>>6892969
Only ever drew weebshit for the past years. Remember trying to draw cars ages back but the 3d aspect made me so frustrated I gave up. Recently tried again and while the result isn't exactly what I wanted, the process itself was a lot easier to follow. Curved surfaces made more sense now from all the body drawing. Proportions and navigating 3d space was a heck of a lot easier now as the other anon already said. If you actually construct bodies and try understanding why they look the way they do, yeah you'll have an easier time with other things like vehicles and robots when you pick those up.

>> No.6893419
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why would i bother to draw cars when i can just use AI?
at least as a reference?

>> No.6893421
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>>6893419
Why would you use AI as a reference when photos of real cars exist

>> No.6893426

>>6893419
>AI generating cars
How low will you go

>> No.6893427

I'd rather trce at this point desu. Fuck Scott Robertson and his dogshit waste of time book

>> No.6893429
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>>6893421
because i can get the exact angle i want?

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DRAW
A
BOX

>> No.6893444

>>6892969
do you believe the car in that image was drawn by someone? or are you retarded weeb that think bugmen dont just import 3d models or use toner pack cut out and tracings for older ones?

>> No.6893447

>>6892969
I would guess cars are like drawing clothes and armor in the sense that you are laying shapes on top of a frame, but I am not very good at that yet either

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>>6892969
I draw cars all the time

>> No.6893450

>>6893444
It's entirely possible that Sadamoto can draw a car, but I would imagine here he referenced a model sitting on one from an old magazine.

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>>6893429
Just get a small toy car retard

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>>6892969
you get to a level where you can draw anything you can imagine in your head, the more things you understand the more you can fill in the gaps. I'm not being esoteric or anything, you just get it

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>>6896789
what if i want the inside? what if i want a person in the seat?
what if i want a steering wheel?
what if i don't want a steering wheel?
AI can prompt for all of that.
AI lacks accuracy for a lot of tasks but it is great for reference, inspiration and quick mock ups of what you might want.

>> No.6897058

>>6896991
Damn, you're right. Nobody has ever taken a photo inside of a car.

>> No.6897071

>>6897058
you'd have to find a photo for your exact needs. or make a real photo of your own car and hope it fits the car fits your requirements.

but naaah that's fine. AI is the forbidden fruit after all. can't use AI, no, no. AI bad. AI stole from you and your mom.

>> No.6897078

>>6896991
If you want to draw an actual real vehicle instead of some fantasy mush that you'd find on GTA, it's useless for now. At least dalle is.

Also kek other threads ruffled your feathers?

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>>6897071
You don't know how retarded you sound because you don't draw

>> No.6897093

>>6897080
would it break your mind if i did draw?
:)

and google isn't as flexible. it can only show you things that already exist.
AI can put things together that aren't normally seen together.

>> No.6897098

>>6897093
like a leg and a car seat fusion? we're literally talking about cars, which already exist btw
pyw

>> No.6897100

>>6892969
scott robertson is what you sneed

>> No.6897102

>>6897093
>AI can put things together that aren't normally seen together

would it break your mind if i said you can too?
:)

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>>6897102
well then i guess nobody ever needs reference for anything
:)
you will come up with whatever disingenuous thing you can. all to simply make sure that AI is not used.
because you're a braindead retard and AI=BAD is the extent of your understanding.

>>6897098
already did :^)

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>good thing i generated a lineart
>colored over it
>then set the lines to multiply
this guy still trying
omg

>> No.6897149

>>6897113
>samefags
>pretends to pwn the samefag
every time.
no wonder they call you the trip schizo.
in b4 meds

>> No.6897154

>>6897129
I was the yostuba requester, and know he drew it, because you can't prompt yotsuba on dalle3(which is the only one that could feasibly get a flip over a rocket prompt right)
I suspect the AI accuser is either trip man himself or a troll. maybe just a retard but.. well, ok that's an option.

>> No.6897164

>>6897154
I dunno, if you believe anything that comes from the tripfag to be genuine, after showing and proving countless times that he is indeed just trolling and vendettafagging, you're fucking retarded.

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>>6897149
>>6897129
look at these fucking losers trying to delude themselves further.
this is proof that nothing at all matters to you, except for keeping up your narrative.
>AI BAD
>only nodraws would use AI!!!!
>AI sucks!!!!

>> No.6897170

>>6897113
>to simply make sure that AI is not used.
to exercise my own creativity.
:)

>> No.6897171

This is a thread about drawing cars

>> No.6897172

>>6897154
or maybe he is just that delusional, that intent on keeping up their narrative beliefs.
which do you think is more likely?

>>6897170
AI is a tool.
if you had any creativity you'd understand this LMAO

>> No.6897174

>>6897168
What narrative? because using at as reference is LE GOOD doesn't make it any less cancerous.

>> No.6897176

>>6897172
>AI is a tool.
To what degree? please don't make false equivalences.

>> No.6897178

>>6897172
delusional = retarded

>> No.6897188

>>6897168
>All of you are losers
>Delusional retards
>I know more about AI than literally all of you faggots
>I'll generate masterpieces while you begs can suck my dick and become irrelevant

kek legit complex issues

>> No.6897189

>>6897172
>tool
i get more gratification from studying references myself and then designing and drawing a scene with my new knowledge of the subjects.

>> No.6897229

>>6897176
to the EXACT DEGREE that you use it.
you do know that this is possible, right?
you aren't just assuming that all AI art is prompting and using its output as is, right?

if i draw a character and then outline a backpack and then let the AI draw the details of the bag (in a "draw the rest of the fucking owl" style), and then use that as a sketch to draw on top of, am i not using the AI as a tool?
where is the false equivalence here?

>>6897188
the last one is something you dreamt up.
and the first three are just true :)
in fact i think dunning kruger applies to you tards perfectly. you have no idea how clueless you really are when it comes to AI.

when i try to explain things factually, you tards will literally laugh at it because it sounds like vodoo magic to you and you assume i'm just making up random shit. that's the state of the discourse around here.

>>6897189
that is not true for everything.
there is an infinite amount of things you can study. and you have to complex things fairly in-depth to get anything out of it.
for the sake of time, maybe i don't want to learn how to draw cars from imagination.

that's what references are for to begin with. and AI will fill a similar role. and many other roles, depending on what you want to use it for.

>> No.6897237

>>6897229
>if i draw a character and then outline a backpack and then let the AI draw the details of the bag (in a "draw the rest of the fucking owl" style), and then use that as a sketch to draw on top of, am i not using the AI as a tool?
I can screw in a screw with an unplugged drill.

>> No.6897308

>>6897229
>am i not using the AI as a tool?
Nta. Yeah it's a replacement. Generative AI is creatively autonomous while it "draws". That place of your drawing has been replaced by an AI generated one and you now share the authorship with a computer. Aka you have done X% of your drawing.

>> No.6897311

>>6892969
There's no reason to draw cars when 3D models exist. Illustrations of cars back in the day was just tracings over photos/magazines/pictures of models. Hard surface is a fools errand to draw and get right if you're going for any type of accuracy.

>> No.6897634

>>6897311
Ngmi, start filling out that McDonald's application ASAP

>> No.6897640

>>6897071
Struck a nerve?

>> No.6897780

>>6897308
>That place of your drawing has been replaced by an AI generated one and you now share the authorship with a computer. Aka you have done X% of your drawing.
yes and i agree with all of that.
now what part of the argument speaks against AI being a tool? care to enlighten me?

>> No.6897789

>>6897780
Mr AI gets shared credit. If he does the lion's share, you are just a footnote in the creation of the piece.

>> No.6897798

My new car just got shipped to my dealership, it'll be here soon.
It has nothing to do with drawing, but I'm pretty excited.

>> No.6897806

>>6897789
you would be a footnote in the creation of the piece.
would i be a footnote in the creation of the piece? :^)

>> No.6897812

>>6897780
I mean, I already said it. The tool replaces your creative input with its own. Are you okay with not being the sole creator of the subject in your drawing by having some parts of it come from some foreign entity? Creating this "Yeah I kinda did it but not really" picture?

Cuz like the more you use AI, the less its your own creation. It doesn't necessarily speak "against" AI being used as a "tool". But this is new tech that that you have chosen to use as a tool to replace yourself not just in the labor way, but creative way too.

>> No.6897819

>>6897806
The prompts are really far apart and the spaces between the prompts are almost infinite. Mr AI can still feel you... and the words of your prompts... but it's in this endless space between the prompts that he's finding himself now.

>> No.6897824

>>6897798
You just prompted a car dealership to send you a car? Impressive that you used a tool to make that car anon, you are a real cartist!

>> No.6897827

>>6892969
You need the same understanding of space and forms for figure drawing, landscapes, mechanical drawings, or anything.

>> No.6897840

>>6897634
You'd make more money 3D modeling than drawing/painting or working at McDs

>> No.6897858

>>6897798
what car did you get anon?

>> No.6897862

>>6892969
Draw a small perspective box first, and then draw the car in it.

>> No.6897996

>>6897858
It’s a C8 corvette. First time I’ve wanted a car as much as this.

>> No.6898002
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>>6897812
an assistant is exactly that. i mean a human one.
and you wouldn't pick any assistant. you'd pick one that can fit into your vision. the same goes for AI.
you can let your assistant do everything for you. and then you're a hack.
or you can just give it all the annoying things to do. or if he has any skill, make him do something useful. like make him generate 20 color palettes at once, just for brainstorming. what's he gonna do, complain?

again you people have a rigid understanding of what AI can do. you think it's restricted at all to any style. or has to be used a certain way.

>> No.6898038

>>6897812
>"Yeah I kinda did it but not really"
this will gnaw at them, they will keep trying, but years down the line wonder why they feel so hollow and unfulfilled as creators.

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>>6897311
Soulless.

>> No.6898103

>>6898002
Stick to your AI containment thread disgusting tripfaggot, this is a thread about DRAWING cars

>> No.6898166

>>6898044
Damn what a legend, I really gotta study Akira Toriyama.

>> No.6898595

>>6898002
You moved the goalpost. We're not talking about pure labor tasks. We're talking about how you stop being the sole creator once someone else has creative input apart from yourself. You agree to that.

No matter how you twist and turn, it's not going to be your work if something else draws your would-be content for you. No matter if it's another person, AI, my dog or your own clone. Style and references have nothing to do with this. If there is a gap on the image and you ask someone else to fill it out for you, they are the co-owner of that work. Period. Doesn't matter if you share identical vision, you're brain twins or whatever.

>> No.6898841

>>6898044
heavily referenced on photos of real vehicles

>> No.6898854

>>6898841
no shit

>> No.6898885

>>6898854
which was the point of the original post. they called it "soulless" but was proving the point

>> No.6898890

>>6898885
its neither a 3d model nor traced over photo. you can say every box with 4 wheels is referenced on real vehicles

>> No.6898911

>>6898595
lol. i did not move the goalpost. i explained to you exactly how i see it.
you think creative assistants are doing "pure labor" tasks? when a mangaka makes an assistant create the backgrounds, don't you think they are giving away the same degree of creative control over their work?
some people even let others ink their work or color their work. or render the time consuming details in hair, clothes. tones etc etc.

i love how you repeat yourself for something i already agreed to anyway. as if i would give a different answer now. as if i'm twisting my opinion or changing anything. where am i moving any goalposts?
you simply cannot seem to comprehend what this all means.

YES, you are losing a degree of direct control. but that is the point. because you're relegating tasks. this is the point of automation.

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>> No.6899021

>>6898911
You just have mentioned times before how AI can be used as a tool to assist in art like creating references. Yeah. It saves time. And it's not replacing you since it hasn't touched your drawing. It saves some labor of scrolling through countless image sites trying to find a sufficient reference for what you want. That's what I meant by "labor".

No. I do not think assistants are only doing pure labor. They do have their degree of creative freedom. Right. But that's a very nihilistic comparison you're making. Humans are not machines, have their reasons and are willing to accept being a pupil for a bigger name in order to learn from them and gain experience for little to no credit. It has nothing to do with the artist wanting their work automated. No mangaka wants that because it does run the risk of transforming their content. But they have to because deadlines and livelihoods. It's all a human matter and their society. It has nothing to do with Yu Lin finding linework too unfun to draw. Yu Lin is just being a hack.

And yes, that "degree of direct control" is exactly my point. That task you are relegating is your creative input. That's the point of generative AI. It didn't help. It replaced you for that part of the drawing and transformed or generated the subject matter and/or its details. The point of automation is to replace purely laborous tasks that have no impact on the result. AI automation is literally generating the result. Like it doesn't even have an impact. It IS the result and owns it.

I don't think AI is shit or it's useless. It's amazing technology. I love seeing all the cool stuff it makes and I use it myself for references sometimes like you allegedly do. I also use chatgpt to generate some ideas for a story. As an actual assistant that feeds my brain, not replace my work, it's great.

>> No.6899060

>>6892969
the manga books are good, avoid robertson who needlessly complicates things, good for 3d form understanding and transferring shapes/planes/forms but i amputate him from there. taking in too much from one teacher is a good way to become a dogmatic slave to a method

>>6898044
look at toriyama for example. if you look at the drawing process of mangakas, they start with a huge fucking box then carve out the shapes, none of that xyz shit that robertson does

>> No.6899145

>>6899060
It's the same shit Robinson does, nodraw

>> No.6899151

>>6899145
it really isnt, nodraw

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>>6899145
since i know youre just a nodraw retard, heres an example
>to the nodraw eye, these will be identical
btw i went through h2d unlike u
no more replies, gg no re

>> No.6899161

Nobody here knows how to fucking draw anything despite all the nonsense about grinding boxes and perspective and viewing angles and blah blah blah blah. It's pathetic. Really, next time someone feeds you a line about perspective and how it lets you draw anything, ask to see their work. /ic/ can't draw

>> No.6899162

>>6899158
nta but robertson's method is better suited for objects and product design. for the average person normal construction is enough

>> No.6899186

>>6899162
i agree

>> No.6899260

>>6897071
It's not forbidden, it's unneeded.

>> No.6899275

>AIfag is shitting up non-AI threads too
he must really have a hate boner for /ic/ and art in general

>> No.6899615

>>6899021
i feel like you're talking completely past me.
you know i never said that artists are being replaced, right? i don't hold that opinion at all.

i'm not even sure what point you're trying to make with what you said about assistants.
like i said, with assistants you also don't have that direct control. what does their motivations and reasons for working under you have to do with anything?
i'm not saying that HUMAN assistants are automation, that's just retarded.

>> No.6901613

Ai talk has only ruined ic further, this place is truly dead
I miss old ic

>> No.6902584

A car is just a series of boxes and circles in perspective