/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6882289]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous thread: >>6879400

[Anonymous No.6882309]

[Anonymous No.6882318]

i don't fucking know anatomy or gestures

[Anonymous No.6882320]

>>6882318
tits too small

[Anonymous No.6882324]

>>6882309
I've heard of nice knockers, but that is ridiculous!

[Anonymous No.6882345]

What I drew today

[Anonymous No.6882347]

>>6879458
I'm sorry for being late anon

[Anonymous No.6882354]

reached page 100 this book is long

[Anonymous No.6882367]

>>6882289
how issit goin?

[Anonymous No.6882387]

Didn't sleep well so didn't do much, but I did this today which was interesting...

Because those shapes at the bottom? I started drawing those on a whim and I just happened to make them look like the bottom of a foot. Does this mean anything? I used to struggle with this kinda thing but it feels more natural to me now...

I am also gonna move on from Burne Hogarth after I study 6 more pages, and then I'll move onto Vlippu/Burt Dodson.

[Anonymous No.6882389]

I won’t be drawing today. Fortunately, I didn’t draw all weekend. I’m sure some of you were worried I might break my streak.

[Anonymous No.6882391]

>>6882367
Niiiice.
But I’m not a furry.
I swear.

[Anonymous No.6882396]

What's the quality that makes something appear as it's hit by moonlight? Do I add some blue to every color or is there some other color?

[Anonymous No.6882397]

>>6882387
Oh crap I forgot to share the thing.

[Anonymous No.6882420]

>>6882345
What actually happens when bees or other insects get hit by raindrops

[Anonymous No.6882427]

Will i become kim jung un №2

[Anonymous No.6882464]

>>6882391
i was going to comment something nice
but then i remembered a few threads back when i gave you encouragement and you turned it into a self deprecating victim speech

fuck off youre as abd as the crabs

[Anonymous No.6882499]

>>6882464

[Anonymous No.6882500]

>>6882420
https://youtu.be/b1eyCJd2g3I?t=57

[Anonymous No.6882512]

>>6882289
>nazi anatomy books
Nice

[Anonymous No.6882520]

>>6882512
25 years to learn to draw, 1 hour to learn to paint.

[Anonymous No.6882531]

>>6882289
I have the version by Stephen Rogers, picrel
Am I still looking at POW cadavers?

[Anonymous No.6882582]

>>6882387
>>6882397
>Hogarth
I like to look at his hands and do a few for warm up every now and then.

[Anonymous No.6882618]

We are on page 27 of bridgman now. I feel like I am starting to get the hang of it. How long did you guys take for each drawing? I don't want to be too meticulous, but I also don't want to be skimming.

Also, newfag question: What does "prebeg" mean? Pre-begginer?

[Anonymous No.6882634]

I've basically been following this pathway thing for a few months now and I've started to see a little bit of improvement to my art. Still /beg/ but improving at a nice pace.
>https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/
I just wanna ask, how do I study anatomy? I've not gotten into too much trouble so far by just copying what I see in the books, attempting to apply that into irl drawings and then making small notes about the mistakes I made.
Should I be watching certain youtubers (I've heard proko is pretty good for anatomy) and what books are useful for learning anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6882643]

>>6882634
Is David Finch the bald old guy that looks like lizard voldemort?

[Anonymous No.6882645]

>>6882643
He just lacks eyebrows okay, no need to be rude.

[Anonymous No.6882648]

>>6882634
Anatomy for sculptors by undies zarin, also it’s not really about the anatomy but after knowing the shapes learn how to apply them in deep perspective using simple forms.
We aren’t drawing muscles and bones but their appearance on a 2d plane, we gotta be clever and use t intersection to show what stands behind what, Michael Hampton‘S book was really helpful in that regard while Karen’s Cushart’s perspective course will help you get the body to make sense with basic cylinders

[Anonymous No.6882650]

>>6882648
Krenz lol,

[Anonymous No.6882654]

Is there anything funnier than getting critique from really shit artists?

[Anonymous No.6882656]

>>6882654
Super Troopers is really funny.

[Anonymous No.6882659]

>>6882656
Not as funny as getting critique from really shit artists.

[Anonymous No.6882669]

>>6882656
Fine, but I like that about websites that have a bunch of artists on them. You get a comment from some pre-/beg/ or low-/beg/ at best, telling you about a problem they spotted, and you just know that... no, that was drawn correctly. Then you check their profile and see that their art is a pile of trash.

[Anonymous No.6882682]

>>6882648
Ok, will make sure to get on those 3 resources then. also, yeah I'll make sure to keep what you said in mind about how I should be using this anatomy study as a way of breaking down stuff into basic shapes to help with perspective.
Also, what do you mean by "t intersection"?

[Anonymous No.6882687]

>>6882656
Can I get a litre of cola

[Anonymous No.6882692]

>>6882687
Is that french?

[Anonymous No.6882695]

I just realized all faces I draw are some variation of front, profile side or 3/4 and it bothers me. Are there other interesting angles or I'm being autistic?

[Anonymous No.6882713]

>>6882695
those are the angles you see faces at like 99% of the time irl so it's normal. You definitely should learn higher and lower angles though

[Anonymous No.6882715]

>>6882520
This feels wrong but I don't know why. Can any non jewish art expert review this and tell me whats wrong here?

[Anonymous No.6882726]

How do I improve the composition of this image?

[Anonymous No.6882729]

Making a flaming hot bunny girl for an Art daily challenge

[Anonymous No.6882743]

>>6882266
So people here knows better than Finch?

[Anonymous No.6882744]

Weekly figure drawing. Big power gap between head and body. I spent a whole period on the head and I think it shows.

Most of the body shading was done in the last period, so I kinda had to rush. Didn't even finish.

The head I like though.

[Anonymous No.6882746]

I dont really visit the threads often, but whoever posted that ref last thread, nice find and thank you.

[Anonymous No.6882749]

>>6882744
Don't bother shading when your layin is still wrong.
>>6882743
Go ahead and waste your time if you want. Nobody cares what you do.

[Anonymous No.6882751]

Color study

[Anonymous No.6882753]

>>6882726
Composition isn't the problem

[Anonymous No.6882754]

[Anonymous No.6882755]

The sketchbook's gettin kinda scary. Are you all feelin the season?

[Anonymous No.6882756]

>>6882726
Proportion is your problem more than composition.

If you draw it like this you don't need to worry about the proportion at a weird angle so much.

[Anonymous No.6882763]

heads

[Anonymous No.6882765]

>>6882753
It isn't finished, dawg!!
>>6882756
This is such a good suggestion! I wish I could so naturally thumbnail a drawing like you do! The drawing I was doing is one of my VRChat friends based on this screenshot from "I'm Your Treasure Box" but I decided to turn it into them playing pool because they're good at VR pool.
You feel like the proportions of the character are more distracting than the composition?

[Anonymous No.6882772]

>>6882763
Amazing
Steve Huston?

[Anonymous No.6882786]

>>6882772
I study ''manga materials'' rn, but if i remember Steve got something similar in his book.

[Anonymous No.6882789]

>>6882765
Maybe not the proportion. She's off-balance. She's missing a chunk of her back. She should be pushing her torso up off the table. The hip of her supporting leg should be higher. Angle of shoulders and hips should converge on one side.

[Anonymous No.6882793]

>>6882786
Manga material is good stuff

[Anonymous No.6882794]

Or try this

[Anonymous No.6882799]

>>6882794
draw a sexy dude instead? Based

Chapta: swavgs

[Anonymous No.6882801]

>>6882794
wtf is going on why is there so many cue balls

[Anonymous No.6882802]

[Anonymous No.6882823]

What stands out before I finish this.

[Anonymous No.6882843]

>>6882715
It transitions from two point perspective to one point on the left; which can be done but it's done at the wrong speed. It's still a decent piece.

[Anonymous No.6882846]

>>6882823
I can tell you're drawing with preconceived rules and theories, rather than working with shapes and forms you've observed and memorized.

Do more studies and memory drawings

[Anonymous No.6882860]

what exactly is the problem with drawabox? I hear a lot of people saying it’s not worth doing past the second or third lesson, or to just do dynamic sketching.

[King of /beg/ No.6882865]

>>6882309
There would be no mouth indent on the right/her left, it goes straight down at the 3/4 angle. The upper teeth would be visible if only slightly. The lower lip is closer to the lower chin.

[Anonymous No.6882872]

>>6882860
People are going to say you are tracing and need to learn basic linework until you are grandmaster.

[Anonymous No.6882878]

>>6882860
I think it has more to do with the artist behind Drawabox than the lessons themselves. Also the 250 box thing is a bit autistic so it's kind of a meme

[Anonymous No.6882881]

>>6882860
how many of those people post their work or have proof of doing the course?

[Anonymous No.6882883]

>>6882318
Nobara!!! Now draw her clothes and make her hands way bigger.

[Anonymous No.6882886]

>>6882881
I understand the idea of conserving your limited time and only doing exercises/reading books that advance you the quickest, but you have most likely 50 years left to live and get better at art. Maybe it's worth it to just try all methods/resources and learn from a bunch of things?
I'm just some random guy though

[Anonymous No.6882891]

>>6882886
You gotta take everything with a grain of salt here. It's not the worst place to start. Better than Loomis for prebegs

[Anonymous No.6882892]

spent a few hours learning about pen tool settings yesterday.

[Anonymous No.6882893]

>>6882802
any feedback anons? posted this in the previous thread

[Anonymous No.6882895]

So I've gotten a better understanding of the cheekbones with the Reilly method and I'm working towards combining it with the Asaro head, but can someone explain this one rhythm defined in red for me?
it just seems kind of superfluous to me desu, but obviously if it didn't have a purpose it wouldn't be apart of the method

[Anonymous No.6882897]

>>6882893
Way better than I could do, but also you have to go darker. The reference image has really dark tones and you don't seem to go as dark as it?

[Anonymous No.6882898]

>>6882802
I think it's good, ear could be a bit lower

[Anonymous No.6882901]

>>6882893
Increase your res/actually try to place the strokes.

[Anonymous No.6882903]

>>6882895
When drawing males, small eyewells. Females larger eyewells.

[Anonymous No.6882911]

>>6882878
What’s the problem with the artist?

[Anonymous No.6882920]

>>6882911
I've seen anons bashing him for his skills. I think it's an okay place to start though. That's what I started with

[Anonymous No.6882926]

>>6882318
I'd do something like this. Don't forget the shoulder on the raised arm. Hope that helps

[Anonymous No.6882941]

>>6882920
Would you mind posting some of your work? I’m not saying this to be an asshole just curious.

[Anonymous No.6882961]

>>6882893
Don't increase your res like this anon said >>6882901

Actually decrease it or zoom out and work with bigger brushes to get the values accurately. I did this scaled down to 1000 pixels.

Really try to unify your shadow shapes first, instead of going into details. It will help you when you go in to refine the painting.

[Anonymous No.6882966]

>>6882941
I did, I posted that giantess Ahsoka WIP. Started drawing in April last year with DAB as a prebeg. Can share more or give you my socials if you want more data

[Anonymous No.6882973]

I've been drawing women and coom for so long that I'm having trouble drawing men again. I'm just too into the habit of drawing women

[Anonymous No.6882986]

>>6882973
take the degen pill and draw feminine men.

[Anonymous No.6883005]

>>6882801
Those aren't cue balls, they are numbered. I dunno why they are all white. /pol would have some colorful responses I bet.

[Anonymous No.6883019]

>>6882802
>>6882893
Lights too dark, ref has much wider value range. You compressed everything in the midtones and didn’t go dark enough like in the nose’s cast shadow and in general the left side of the face

[Anonymous No.6883046]

>>6883019
learn to draw before your learn to paint

[Anonymous No.6883048]

I've been practicing cellshaded lighting, any observations?

[Anonymous No.6883055]

>>6883019
1. The curve of the nose in inconsistent with the rest of the face and so the eyes are uneven.
2. Your lips are way too far below the nose
3. Lips too close to the chin
4. It's okay to give your females a prefrontal cortex.
5. Shading the eyelids is one of the most important parts of conveying emotion.
6. Your jaw is off, but it's because the face isn't aligned. Her face is basically twisted
7. The neck isn't a tube. Remember to draw the traps and sternocleidomastoids.

[Anonymous No.6883056]

Remember you can use the transform tool in krita to move around stuff and transform it, after you fix the basic coloring.

[Anonymous No.6883060]

>>6882865
thanks but im fucking tired of this one now

[Anonymous No.6883067]

>>6883048
feel the form

[Anonymous No.6883078]

>>6883060
Awesome improvement. Don't forget how easy it is to change the emotion of the mouth. All of the emotion is controlled in the last 5% sides of the mouth.

Breast anatomy is also very important for your style. Your left breast is only connected by the top portion. Breasts hanging are connect until the bottom 30% of the breast. Breasts flying will be fully connected to the torso like your right/her left breast is. And even when breasts are flying, you will see fat ligaments of her pecs connecting the top of her breasts to her collarbone

[Anonymous No.6883079]

Hello beg. I am looming. Loom. Loomed. It is getting easier to draw the loomed loom heads, but their quality doesnt improve one bit. Still pretty much at the start of book so i remain hopeful.

>>6882973
PYW
>>6882892
>>6882763
i should give up loomis and take the anime pill
>>6882751
amazing reference. it looks like flying cauliflower
>>6882746
>>6882347
very good
>>6882618
prebeg are the people who may or not doodle but never bothered getting good

[Anonymous No.6883084]

Tried to paint again. I was tempted to draw lineart over it but I will left it for another study.

[Anonymous No.6883087]

>>6883079
which work would you like me to post? the man I'm trying to draw or the women I've drawn?

[Anonymous No.6883088]

>>6883055
>>6883056
Thanks for the feedback
>>6882802
Lixin Yin has a good demo on the foundation Patreon, goes through a value study step by step, you should really check it out

[Anonymous No.6883104]

>>6882802
There were once two students, one claimed he was too smart to be taught by anyone, he would reject any feedback that came from beneath him awaiting the day a master sage would give him pointers.
This very bright student had a friend, he wasn’t too bright or cunning but he would learn from the heavens and the earth, everything and every moment was a learning opportunity and he wouldn’t disdain taking advice even from his pupils once he rapidly outgrew his peers and achieved mastery.
A few decades went by and our two friends’ path cross again in a McDonald’s where the really bright yet unlucky genius never found any sage grandmaster to teach him the secret tips and tricks of the trade, but fortunately our unlucky genius was indeed very smart as he gave his old friend, now in his middle age with a successful career, dining out with his pupils their proper orders without a single fry missing.
The last thing he wondered about was whether he should have taken seriously a fellow beg’s advice all those decades ago...

[Anonymous No.6883109]

>>6883104
what did that anon do to deserve this scathing rebuke?

[Anonymous No.6883116]

>>6883109
It’s for me too, easy to fall in the same trap, but I recognised him from the thread before the last.
My advice doesn’t change, the vertical proportions keep him from properly painting the right shapes. It’s like trying to fit puzzle pieces in the wrong place, nothing will fit.
I also did it to thank him, seeing him relentlessly try to paint and learn how to paint with an utter disregard of drawing was an awakening moment.
You don’t really need that much drawing knowhow to get to painting, besides it’s basically moving the goalpost away until you feel ready. Chances are you will never be ready.
The anon posting the 25 years mantra doesn’t really understand the dark side of this fuckery, 1 hour, you are one step away from painting whatever you want yet you don’t have the balls to do it. Magnificent

[Anonymous No.6883124]

>>6883079
pic related is some of my coom/women I've drawn over the years
>>6881580 is the man I was trying to draw and had trouble with

[Anonymous No.6883156]

>>6883084
Cool!

[Anonymous No.6883160]

>>6883079
Thanks for the prebeg explanation. I really enjoy your style btw!

[Anonymous No.6883164]

>>6882289
started hampton's figure drawing book after some anons gave advice on gestures a few threads ago. here's my shitty attempts at 1 min, 2 min, and 5 min. times. I hate how much I suck, but want to be better and will keep reading.

I know it's not much, but any advice is good advice at this point, as I don't feel like I can draw what I want to draw unless I get the basic
building blocks of constructions and gestures down first.

[Anonymous No.6883175]

>"you should be able to draw a perfect ellipse at any degree"
>"also buy some ellipse guides"
???????????????

[Anonymous No.6883178]

>>6883164
don't be shy about directly copying the examples Hampton has in his books, in order to understand how to approach drawing photo reference better. At the end of the day, the lines and shapes you put down are what matter

[Anonymous No.6883184]

>>6882961
thanks anon for the critique - that is one question I had. I'm new to digital and I'm struggling to get clean shapes and edges. Maybe I should be working with higher flow/opacity for that?I guess I need to focus on my brushwork, and thanks for the advice, using a bigger brush

[Anonymous No.6883185]

Month 2 Day 5, first attempt at trying to learn how to sketch since I was told now that I'm ok at copying I need to just start pumping out drawings

does all of this really lead into better skill at creating your own works though? I have been occasionally practicing making my own things, but will adding this sketching tool to my box help me further my goal?

[Anonymous No.6883197]

>>6883104
>>6883116
Hi anon, if you gave feedback before I apologize because I did not see it. I am aware, and thanks for pointing out, about the issues with proportions. I'm doing this for a portraiture class, and so I'm wanting to improve in all areas. It's not that I don't want to improve my proportions, but I'm working on it already.

Doesn't mean I am not open to feedback on that as well. And yeah, I don't think any of us will ever be done practicing drawing, proportions, etc. I'm forcing myself to learn rendering and painting faces because I've always run away from it in the past. I used to always draw backgrounds and animals and avoided humans because I saw how I consistently messed up proportions of the face.

Anyway, thanks for reading my shitty blogpost, and genuinely thanks for sending feedback of all kinds.

[Anonymous No.6883201]

>>6883197
**to clarify, I ran away from both faces and value studies

[Anonymous No.6883207]

>>6883124
a bit too inspired by akairiot innit

[Anonymous No.6883212]

>>6883207
the only thing I really wanted to copy was his faces. I always planned on drawing stuff with really thick outlines

[Anonymous No.6883214]

Rate my sonic

[Anonymous No.6883215]

>>6883214
very nice and cute but why does he have whispers

[Anonymous No.6883216]

>>6883214
would steel/10

[Anonymous No.6883217]

>>6883215
whiskers*

[Anonymous No.6883233]

>>6883214
looks AI

[Anonymous No.6883237]

>>6883214
ai slop.

[Anonymous No.6883245]

>>6883214
Soulless.

[Anonymous No.6883249]

>>6883214
Looks inhuman as fuck

[Anonymous No.6883251]

>>6882713
yeah, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6883293]

im struggling with bodies man

[Anonymous No.6883296]

>>6883078
don’t waste your time he’ll just be an asshole like he was with >>6882464

[Anonymous No.6883312]

>>6883293
you're doing incredible, anon. Your proportions are pretty much spot on at this point. Now, I would try to do more research into the anatomy of the body, specifically the shape of the bones and the flow of the muscles. Specifically pay attention to the roundness and wholeness of the skeleton.

Doing lots of copies of your favorite artists in conjunction with that is the best combination. There's an anon here who made copies out of this doujin and he's incredible

[Anonymous No.6883361]

>>6883312
thanks i always neglect studying artists, i always end up being so fickle with them

[Anonymous No.6883365]

>>6883312
Your figures look effortless. How did you achieve that? Are you the anon who said to copy bridgman twice?

[Anonymous No.6883370]

>>6883361
no problem!

>>6883365
that's so kind of you to say, anon. I do recommend the David Finch roadmap a lot. However, being able to confidently lay down forms can only come from endless practice. I try to do some figure drawing from photos every day. Also, the exercises in the Vilppu drawing manual (beans, boxes, beans + boxes, cylinders) helped a lot.

[Anonymous No.6883440]

day 86
im gonna keep redoing this everyday untill it looks right

[Anonymous No.6883447]

WIP, ran out of time. I think the face is a little too stylized, not a good ref.

[Anonymous No.6883451]

>>6883447
If you're trying to redraw that pose with the same face angle, yours is off; it's pointed too far to the side.

[Anonymous No.6883459]

>>6883447
Nice work. Remember to keep the facial features in perspective, as well!

[Anonymous No.6883479]

At which level of zoom do you draw?
Always 100%?

[Anonymous No.6883487]

>>6883479
I zoom in and out

zoom zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.6883490]

>>6883447
what the other anons said. the torso and pelvis look good but her face is kinda flat

[Anonymous No.6883491]

>>6883479
im a zoomer

[Anonymous No.6883506]

>>6883479
The percent that lets me see the whole canvas at once.

[Anonymous No.6883521]

How do you define soul? and what can I do to inject some of mine into artwork?

[Anonymous No.6883524]

>>6883521
I define soul as drawing something in a particular way that you enjoy regardless or even at the cost of broad appeal. Say if the way you draw your art will put off a lot of people but you keep drawing it that way anyway because that's what you enjoy, that's "soul" to me

[Anonymous No.6883529]

>>6883524
Weird, no one has ever called my work soulful

[Anonymous No.6883537]

Introverted type OC redesign im working on; loosely based on my basset hound, Phillip: https://files.catbox.moe/yr8jmq.jpeg

[Anonymous No.6883547]

>>6883524
I thought soul just meant it looked good/conveyed a feeling accurately to the viewer and not "dead" but that's a much nicer way of defining it

[Anonymous No.6883556]

Is there a book focus on drawing the head / facial features you would recommend?

[Anonymous No.6883564]

>>6883556
Loomis

[Anonymous No.6883565]

>>6883556
I got a lot out of "how to draw anime style characters"

[Anonymous No.6883570]

>>6883565
Is that a good base, to go straight into anime, instead of learning reality as solid fundamentals?

[Anonymous No.6883579]

>Can't even draw a straight line with tablet yet

We'll get there, pop.

[Anonymous No.6883583]

[Anonymous No.6883603]

Character design mains

I require your assistance

[Anonymous No.6883605]

>>6883603
stocking color scheme *doesn't* quite fit

[Anonymous No.6883672]

reposting from previous thread.
I want general input anything you dislike anything you recommend I study.

[Anonymous No.6883683]

>Create guidelines and sketch lines
>Don't follow them at all for the lineart
Why am I like this

[Anonymous No.6883700]

>>6883603
do a value study

[Anonymous No.6883707]

Any opinions on how to make the squished dudes not look so retarded? I have some ideas, but I'm far from confident that the result will be much better

[Anonymous No.6883756]

>>6883556
Loomis. Also, Chris Legaspi's youtube channel is the best resource on head/portrait drawing, even considering payed courses (except maybe his own course, but it's expensive and hard to find).

[Anonymous No.6883761]

>>6883214
ai slop/10
would kill on twitter though, sadly

[Anonymous No.6883764]

>loomis
dont listen to him. loomis is a hack. read reilly.

[Anonymous No.6883775]

>>6883764
>reilly
dont listen to him. reilly is a hack. read loomis.

[Anonymous No.6883780]

So one of the wiki articles recommends to start with sight and observation and another says fuck you, go draw figures like a real renesance artist. Is the Keys to Drawing good book for beginner to just start or should I look into that whole figure drawing thing?

[Anonymous No.6883782]

>>6883780
for absolute beg do upside down picasso and bargue plates first.

[Anonymous No.6883783]

>>6883780
keys to drawing is THE BEST book for beginners rs

[Anonymous No.6883787]

Ouhh... I don't quite feel like drawing today... I guess I'll draw a little..

[Anonymous No.6883816]

>>6882289
Crits?

[Anonymous No.6883818]

>>6883775
>>6883764
Fuck them both
Copy the brigeman twice
>Verification not required

[Anonymous No.6883819]

>>6883818
>brigeman
Now I've seen every variation of Bridgman's name.

[Anonymous No.6883826]

>>6883780

[Anonymous No.6883841]

Are there any tutorials and tips on unconscious keeping proportions when drawing?

[Anonymous No.6883842]

feels very lifeless but i can't put my finger on why.

[Anonymous No.6883854]

>>6883826
What a retard. Bargue is the most important book of all of these. You can't learn to draw by reading.

[Anonymous No.6883855]

>>6883842
draw the background

[Anonymous No.6883856]

>>6883841
Draw more.

[Anonymous No.6883865]

you cannot and will not redline perfection.

[Anonymous No.6883868]

>>6883865
You got half of that right.

[Anonymous No.6883878]

>>6883707
Dude, it's a cartoonish flattening it is supposed to look stupid. What is the problem?

[Anonymous No.6883895]

>>6882794
howd i do

[Anonymous No.6883896]

>>6883856
>just draw

[Anonymous No.6883905]

>>6883896
Yeah

[Anonymous No.6883909]

>>6883841
You might as well ask for a tutorial for how to draw from memory, and Guess what you have to do in order to do that ...

[Anonymous No.6883912]

>>6883909
Look for exercises to develop 3d thinking

[Anonymous No.6883923]

fuck fuck fuck
do I actually need to read theory???

[Anonymous No.6883924]

>>6883878
Idk, just feel like I did terrible job. Maybe I'm being too critical

[Anonymous No.6883926]

>>6883924
Her body needs more work than the flattened bodies.

[Anonymous No.6883930]

>>6883842
>no ambient occlusion
>shadow is pitch black
>no real core shadow
fix those things and it might look less "lifeless" or as le "sovlful" as a fucking sphere in an empty void can look

[Anonymous No.6883934]

>>6883842
The form shadows on your sphere aren't nearly dark enough. You also added bounce light in an area where there should be occlusion. The cast shadow is also too dark, unless the environment is a literal void

[Anonymous No.6883942]

>>6883926
Can you pyw or give me a redline? I don't trust any crit that only comes with negativity and can't even manage to address what I specifically asked for help with

[Anonymous No.6883977]

>>6883923
Theory is just drawing. Hampton figure drawing + bridgeman anatomy and you practice the stuff they draw.

[Anonymous No.6883980]

>>6883842
Use multiple different brush techniques, quickly, when shading.

[Anonymous No.6883982]

Did this with a reference, where would I start to make it from imagination?

[Anonymous No.6883987]

>>6883672
extreme anatomy like breaststroke are complimented by subtle details. If the rest of the anatomy is mid when you do something like BE it takes away from the work.

[Anonymous No.6884000]

I have gotten back into art and enjoy it for the first time. I struggled with focusing on art for six years. Now that art is dead and nothing more than a comfortable childhood memory to burn, I enjoy improving at it as a form of catharsis.

[Anonymous No.6884005]

>>6883982
Spend one day memorizing each body part, IE hand, arm, chest, quads, traps, etc.

[Anonymous No.6884007]

>>6884000
what kind of art?

[Anonymous No.6884013]

>>6883982
Unnecessary, just do simple volumes for each bigger muscle group to memorize

[Anonymous No.6884025]

i like inktober

[Anonymous No.6884047]

so many ideas i want to draw, so many styles, so many stories, so many characters, and yet I have so little skill. sad life of a /beg/fag

[Anonymous No.6884054]

>>6884047
describe one character

[Anonymous No.6884056]

>>6884047
>having ideas
I envy you

[Anonymous No.6884058]

>>6884025

[Anonymous No.6884061]

Definitely my best one yet, I can finally start focusing on the facial features more like lips because those fuckers are harder to draw than I thought
Also had to use the transformation tool a bit near the end which kind of feels like cheating so I want to try and keep that as minimal use as possible

[Anonymous No.6884063]

I wanted to do more but my shoulder hurt today so I couldn't really do much more.

I just dunno the difference between just mindlessly copying and actually learning from studying? My motor skills and control over my hands has improved but I am just not sure how you can tell whether or not you are actually getting better.

I tried to give form to this like in the study but is this still just a symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.6884064]

>>6884061
How long have you been drawing for? This is pretty solid.

[Anonymous No.6884065]

>>6884064
Very sporadically for about a year but I quit my job last month and have been drawing daily since, heads were absolutely the biggest hurdle for me to overcome but now I can go back to doing full figures again and start working on my art style.
I'm hoping in the next couple months I'll be able to start animation too.

[Anonymous No.6884080]

>>6884054
he's black... he's bald...

[Anonymous No.6884083]

>>6884056
I smoke a little weed which is like a brain unlocker. it really does make you more creative.

[Anonymous No.6884086]

>>6884080
Wow, great character. You're an idea factory!

[Anonymous No.6884088]

>>6884080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Y_d_Lhp60

[Anonymous No.6884101]

JUST DRAW
U
S
T

D
R
A
W

[Anonymous No.6884103]

>>6884080
>I am dark skin and bald, and I hate Jesus!

[Anonymous No.6884110]

>>6884101
If this is the best you can do with a timed pose, timed poses are too advanced for you right now. Increase your accuracy, do your bargue plates.

Also, don't shade at all if you're going to half-ass it.

[Anonymous No.6884113]

>>6884080
and he sucks cock just like you

[Anonymous No.6884118]

>>6883707
>Any opinions on how to make the squished dudes not look so retarded?
Turn them into gory red smears?

[Anonymous No.6884119]

>>6884110
Kinda feeling a bit unmotivated but I felt like "just drawing". I wasn't timing, just stopped when I felt like it. My accuracy is better on longer drawings, but yeah, I had the same feeling, that I should do longer studies for now.

But I guess this part is not really "studying". And you're right about the shading. Maybe I should use a pen for this kind of stuff and only focus on lines

[Anonymous No.6884122]

>>6884119
>>6884101
Are you drawing from imagination, anon?

[Anonymous No.6884136]

>>6884122
Nah, I pull up random porn images and those gesture sites

[Anonymous No.6884163]

[Anonymous No.6884172]

>>6884163
process.

pardon the courage the cowardly dog-esque eye, genuinely can't remember where that came from lolsorandom xDDD

[Anonymous No.6884173]

[Anonymous No.6884217]

>>6884118
I might do an alt for that actually, but for the main piece I just want them squished flat, no blood or gore. I appreciate the suggestion

[Anonymous No.6884220]

>>6884086
>>6884088
>>6884103
>>6884113
incorrect responses

[Anonymous No.6884232]

>>6884163
>>6884172
Please throw away your air brush.

[Anonymous No.6884250]

>>6884058
purrfect

[Anonymous No.6884254]

>>6884101
nigga needs vilppu BAD I suggest brent eviston though for absolute beggies

[Anonymous No.6884265]

>>6884232
Why? His work looks really good even if the process looked kind nasty

[Anonymous No.6884276]

>>6883067
I tried, did I made it right?

[Anonymous No.6884315]

>>6884276
Quite soulful, simplistic, and stylish. I dig it

[Anonymous No.6884332]

Drawing the mouth is so goddamn hard goddammit

[Anonymous No.6884341]

>>6883826
I've been using Art and Science of Drawing, did I fuck up?

[Anonymous No.6884344]

>>6884341
No quite the opposite its amazing to get to learn the fundies in an easy and methodical approach. No other art book is better than this for begs in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.6884353]

>>6884265
>even if the process looked kind nasty

Believe it or not, it's an improvement in my technique. It used to be so much worse. I agree that the process is messy and shows a poor understanding of form, light etc.--but I'm actually kind of proud of it...?

[Anonymous No.6884361]

>>6884353
You're crutching hard with the lasso tool. You don't think about temperature or the division between shadow and light and that's why your drawing looks like a mushy potato at the end.

[Anonymous No.6884372]

is it a bad thing to copy other artists for my own art? sometimes I'll copy the way another artist draws his heads then I'll use a different one to copy because I like his colors and style

I think the reason I wanna copy is because I don't know how to stylize real life refs or push the pose. whenever I use a real person as ref it just looks likes an anime girls face on a real womans body

[Anonymous No.6884382]

>>6884276
just by the fact you are trying you are doing it right, practice cel shading on primitives. Good work I would use it for crypto ads.

[Anonymous No.6884383]

>>6884372
Only if you're caught.

[Anonymous No.6884386]

>>6884372
That's how every artist learns stylization, for the most part

[Anonymous No.6884434]

>>6884372
I think that's a bad habit. It's better to set aside 2 hours to study and make copies of artwork. Then, when you go do your original work, just draw out of your head. This will make you a better artist in the long run

But, David Finch and many other pros admit to copying artwork for their actual professional comic pages. Finch would take an arm from one artist, then the lighting from another artist, etc.

[Anonymous No.6884460]

Sup beg, the more i loom the harder i think it is beg trap. But maybe that is just my begness speaking, cannot really expect instant gains in discipline i havent done before like drawing without ref.

>>6884372
its called master studies and they are essential for getting gud
>>6884341
nothing prevents you from picking up KtD and quickly going through it to see whatever fundies you missed AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR CURRENT course
>>6884173
good idea, very beg execution
>>6884172
your life would be so much easier if you used hard round brush at start and switched to airbrush towards the end only
>>6884063
if you are drawing (from ref) then you are improving
>>6883982
wish i knew, the green and red heads in my pic are from memory / imagination and they are all sorts of poop
>>6883923
theory helps but nothing can replace the actual practice
>>6883841
just draw (a lot from reference)
>>6883816
i guess you were going for onion knight from dark souls. it is very beg. the hatching breaks the form a lot, no shading or alternated line weight and anatomy is also very lmao
>>6883764
post link to this reilly you talk about, how come nobody ever heard about them?
>>6883672
it looks like you know what are you doing, its just you were super lazy when making this. and please stop using filters trying to hide your lack of polish
>>6883537
that is kinda cool and cute. but the perspective looks off: like it looks he is shorter than the viewer so he is looking up towards camera above him but rest of his body doesnt reflect the angle. also head obscuring shoulders, that is something you dont normally see
>>6883521
this looks very cool, i kneel. wouldnt rate it soul though
>>6883440
dont become real autist, just draw other things as well. you dont want to become like that birthing autist. at least draw the car from different angles and in different compositions
>>6883124
to draw man draw him like you do women BUT dont use a single curved line. Only straight lines. easy
>>6883084
i kneel

[Anonymous No.6884477]

>>6884460
Loomis is 100% a beg trap

[Anonymous No.6884484]

>>6884477
it's just basic construction with some funny text to go along with it. you can just close the book when it get's to the shitty or racist parts

[Anonymous No.6884492]

I said I was not feeling like drawing today and I was not gonna draw much
Ended up drawing for like 4-5h

[Anonymous No.6884507]

>>6883603
Cute slut, would fuck

[Anonymous No.6884510]

I bought a physical copy of how to draw with the right side of the brian, wagnmi

[Anonymous No.6884521]

>>6883842

[Anonymous No.6884534]

>>6883312
It's funny as fuck seeing you repeatedly do these redlines which completley miss the point of what anon was doing and introduce more problems than fixing them. You completely changed the orientation of the ribcage and overall proportions, especially with the elongated torso and legs. Anon's was a little stiff but had a closer to the right idea for proportions and orientation of form. You dont know how to draw form correctly, I think you shouldn't redline other people just yet

[Anonymous No.6884541]

>>6883459
lol

[Anonymous No.6884542]

>>6883934
>>6883980
>>6883930
>>6883855

Thanks, I definitely was not making the shadows dark enough. It was kinda set in a void.

[Anonymous No.6884544]

>>6884542
By no means is this not shit, it's just slightly less shit than my last attempt.

[Anonymous No.6884549]

Has a woman ever created a good /beg/ book?
>Drawing For The Absolute /Beg/
>Claire Watson Garcia
Seems like way, way, way too much reading, desu

[Anonymous No.6884552]

>>6884542
bro are you retarded? this should take you like 2 minutes with an airbrush and the lasso/ellipse selection tool

[Anonymous No.6884562]

>>6884552
also, make sure to darken the ground too. I'm not sure why you did that in your previous sphere and in this one

[Anonymous No.6884567]

>>6884562
>>6884542
this is what i mean

[Anonymous No.6884576]

value is hard

[Anonymous No.6884580]

>>6882682
The t thing is in the Michael Hampton figure drawing book, it’s actually t overlaps and they are a tool to put masses in deep perspective.
How to use the anatomy studies? Practice hands, draw muscles and bones to get their forms try to name them on models and do tracings, ergojosh has a nice anatomy study guidemap about all the different kinds of exercises you can do at different levels of expertise.
Ideally you will find the anatomy knowledge meld into your own work gradually, allowing you to work much faster and with a steadier hand while also opening the doors to drawing/painting from imagination which is something you should dedicate yourself separately.
If you don’t you will end like proko, render very good but can’t draw a kangaroo from imagination/memory

[Anonymous No.6884582]

>>6883197
Sorry if I was too harsh with my wording, hope you find ease on your learning path

[Anonymous No.6884584]

>>6884460
>draw the car from different angles and in different compositions
but im redrawing the background though

[Anonymous No.6884587]

>>6884534
Pyw

[Anonymous No.6884607]

>>6884576
reference?

[Anonymous No.6884609]

>>6884607
none, it's homework for meds map. just moving around the light with my mind as best I can. will check my lighting with a quick blender donut later

[Anonymous No.6884611]

this little dud

[Anonymous No.6884665]

guardian thing concept

[Anonymous No.6884666]

Did this from imagination. Does it deserve a (you)?

[Anonymous No.6884696]

>>6884666
study more Michael Hampton. Learn to keep your forms solid. Right now their bones are slushing around like jello

[Anonymous No.6884709]

>>6884460
Does Pawell draw anything else but old men and aeroplanes?

[Anonymous No.6884714]

>>6884709
what else is there to draw?

[Anonymous No.6884726]

>>6884714
Animals and ekranoplan maybe.

[Anonymous No.6884732]

>>6884666
Throw out your eraser. Erasers are our foes, not our friends.

[Anonymous No.6884734]

>>6884460
I respect your grind, but I think you begtrapped yourself. Who even told you that copying this specific book was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.6884757]

the only beg trap is not drawing

[Anonymous No.6884758]

basic still life/value studies as KtD starts discussing proportioning. first time using the airbrush. measuring takes me forever right now, just measuring the legs at the bottom took an hour, but maybe i'm just tired. hopefully will get faster with much practice

[Anonymous No.6884776]

>>6884507
Looks fantastic anon, thanks for the assistance.

can you post your socials if you have them?
I mostly likely can't afford your rates quite yet but I'd love to see more

[Anonymous No.6884778]

It has been 3 years since I started and I still cannot construct a torso (ribcage-pelvis) in the correct perspective. What do I do short of killing myself?

[Anonymous No.6884783]

>>6884372
if you know your fundies you can copy and it will help you understand why the artist you like made the choices they did. I would highly recommend it once you get the basics down.

[Anonymous No.6884787]

>>6884778
pyw

[Anonymous No.6884792]

>>6884778
Get a reference image, preferably from an anatomy book like Bridgman's. Import it onto your canvas. Make a study of it. Construct as usual, but pay attention to shapes and proportion of the Bridgman drawing you're studying. Drag your drawing over the reference. Is it off? Notice where it's off. Make another drawing, and drag it onto your reference again. Do this a hundred times. Don't move on from that reference image until you've got it pretty close. Then move onto another reference image from Bridgman's. Go through the whole Bridgman book this way.

What I'm saying is that most likely your problem is not form, but proportion. Getting things in the right place is the most difficult part of drawing. Good perspective is still largely a matter of good proportions

I'm willing to bet 99% of anons reading this post will think I've gone totally insane, and that's true. This is a madman's way of practicing drawing. This is the type of exercise you do when you're at your wit's end and feel like giving up on art. This is the exercise that will save you in your darkest times. However, seeing yourself get more and more accurate with every drawing is an objective measure of your improvement and will make you feel so good about your drawing

[Anonymous No.6884802]

>>6884460
>it looks like you know what are you doing, its just you were super lazy when making this. and please stop using filters trying to hide your lack of polish
Tis true I am lazy
I hate coloring and I hate doing line art so I just decided to not bother much with that
As for filters while its true they hide what is going on its also seems to be popular

[Anonymous No.6884812]

>>6884776
@subuart
I am a bit pricy yeah, but nothing too crazy. you can just DM me on socials and we can hash out the details there

[Anonymous No.6884818]

>>6884460
can this permaprepeg post anything that is not floating basic shapes?

This crab has been here for years posting his "advice" and is still a prebeg. Embarrasing

[Anonymous No.6884849]

>>6884220
Pulp Fiction came out 29 years ago.

[Anonymous No.6884887]

day 87
I have achieved chaotic scribbles, only way to go now is up

>>6884541
damn, lad got out-redlined
>>6884025
and yet, its not inked
>>6882794
billboard is so homoerotic
>>6883865
damn youre right
>>6883842
the core shadow is way too light compared to the cast shadow

[Anonymous No.6884889]

>>6883707
don't make them paper cutouts, keep the anatomy intact, just flatten them, without turning them into rectangles
I mean you got terabytes of reference on your hard drive I assume, you have to have examples of this done correctly
Also the drawing is pretty hot so far
>>6884118
nooo don't do that, not hot

[Anonymous No.6884904]

[Anonymous No.6884915]

>>6884818
I find that guy a little annoying but I don't think I've ever seen him crab

[Anonymous No.6884920]

>>6884889
Thanks for the input and kind words. I've spent way too much time on this already though, so I just gotta paint and move on.
And I actually don't have tons of references saved or organized. Not sure they would even help because my brain can't handle the execution. The ref would have to be the same pose with a character flattened on a plane of the same angle

[Anonymous No.6884921]

[Anonymous No.6884934]

Stuff I did yesterday

[Anonymous No.6884980]

>>6884920
I think the issue is that you just mess up the anatomy of the soldiers, like basic proportions look wrong, oversized shins
Also researching this trope it seems like you should make the fingers splayed out rather than keeping them together, actually you should make their whole body splayed out, I think the gesture would look better

[Anonymous No.6885016]

Anybody have tips on how they improved their watercolor? Also any critiques on how i drew and painted the characters here would be great

[Anonymous No.6885070]

>>6884818
their feedback is fine though, let 'em cook.

[Anonymous No.6885077]

>>6884802
>I hate coloring and I hate doing line art

Sounds like there is only 1 real path ahead of you: becoming painter chad

[Anonymous No.6885137]

you guys ever get tired of drawing the same type of thing? All of my recent pieces have been coom and I'm starting to get bored of drawing of it but I'm also not really in the mood to draw other stuff

[Anonymous No.6885148]

Requesting redline. I know it's fucked up, I just need to see how much so.

[Anonymous No.6885154]

22 years old. is it too late for me to make it?

[Anonymous No.6885155]

>>6885148
requesting you to get through loomis and vilppu first before requesting redline

[Anonymous No.6885158]

>>6885154
Yes, now go back to your retirement home gramps.

[Anonymous No.6885163]

>>6885155
requesting you to request your requests up your dequesthole

[Anonymous No.6885173]

>>6884980
Will keep in mind for next time

[Anonymous No.6885194]

>>6885148
what is meant to be happening ?

[Anonymous No.6885226]

>>6884934
You need to work on faces

[Anonymous No.6885233]

>>6884818
Don't be hating on my boy like that. He's MVP just for trying to reply to everyone who posted work

[Anonymous No.6885235]

>>6885154
>he didn't start grinding bargue plates upon exiting his mother's womb

[Anonymous No.6885246]

>>6885226
You're right, but I'm having some serious difficulties. I'll read Loomis again and maybe find some more materials.

[Anonymous No.6885266]

Another terrible day where I didn't sleep long enough, but whiile I was meant to be doing circle exercises, I ended up drawing this (she's Selmie from BOTW/TOTK).

It's very bad, but this is the first face I've actually really made a proper attempt at drawing. The picture is pretty flat, thanks to the angle, though I think the scarf looks relatively 3 dimension even if it looks pretty crude still.

Of course I entirely used the reference for this as none was drawn from imagination. I still can't really do clean nice lines either yet.

I think ultimately, my ability to actually draw when I felt like I couldn't at all a few weeks ago is merely because I wasn't doing it, as a result of drawing the Burne Hogarth references, my brain is starting to become wired to actually draw, hence why things like this are much easier for me to do now compared to just a few weeks ago.

Still, it's pretty poor. I know her eyes are technically symbols with the way they are drawn, I hope I can actually try drawing faces properly soon.

[Anonymous No.6885283]

>>6885148
>just "correct" the whole drawing for me, totally need that correction.

[Anonymous No.6885284]

>>6885154
Min Yum a.k.a. bumskee started taking art seriously at 25. And if his professional art intimidates you, picrel was made by him shortly before that.

source: https://twitter.com/min_yum/status/1359513079646572552

Make of it what you will.

[Anonymous No.6885286]

>>6884611
asking for critique btw, i forgot to mention

[Anonymous No.6885315]

>>6885154
I'm 24 and i started 6 month ago. My first exercises were drawing straight lines.

I managed to draw a cat for ~2 minutes from mind
>>6884058

[Anonymous No.6885326]

>>6885154
I started at 28 last year. You got plenty of time, just don't waste it
>>6884920

[Anonymous No.6885340]

shit

[Anonymous No.6885367]

>>6884172
awesome work, i could never use the blurry brush that early on lmao

[Anonymous No.6885382]

This is what happens when you don't learn anatomy and only do cubes

[Anonymous No.6885398]

>>6885382
Start your anatomy journey with the spine and realize it's a straight stick.

[Anonymous No.6885399]

>>6885398
it's not*

[Anonymous No.6885480]

>>6884732
Sounds like bullshit but I'll try it.

Imagination head with no eraser.

[Anonymous No.6885486]

>>6885480
The necklace is breaking reality.

[Anonymous No.6885489]

>>6885486
Niggas really be like
>don't erase
>also don't make a mistake

[Anonymous No.6885490]

>>6885489
Niggas really be like
>makes mistake
>cries when pointed out

[Anonymous No.6885507]

Why are crabs so sensitive? If you can't handle people commenting on your shitty takes then don't post

[Anonymous No.6885516]

>>6885507
Why are begs so sensitive? If you can't handle people commenting on your shitty drawings then don't post

[Anonymous No.6885522]

Why are begs so sensitive? If you can't handle people commenting on your shitty drawings then don't post

[Anonymous No.6885532]

new one
>>6885531
>>6885531
>>6885531

[Anonymous No.6885698]

Not satisfied at all with this but can't tell why, what's off, anons? I can't see it. Is it a sum of all the little proportion mistakes? Is it shading?