/asg/ - Anime Study General

[Anonymous No.6873216]

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjx6y6B_G8
Krenz Accuracy Imgs: https://files.catbox.moe/tklkj8.rar
Krenz Courses: https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-238090f8a5934eb883fc644bef1d1214

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

/mmg/ - Manga Making General:
>>>/ic/mmg

Previous Thread:
>>6841556

[Anonymous No.6873230]

First for Oppai Loli

[Anonymous No.6873325]

Reposting n the new thread. Also neat, I made it into the OP collage last thread, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6873329]

Thank you OP adding mine in, good way to encourage more anons to post theirs, I know it does for me

[Anonymous No.6873453]

Reposting here too

[Anonymous No.6873598]

I need a redline

[Anonymous No.6873760]

Not coloring this one, learned from last time trying to study colors with this huge glow is more of a detriment then anything. Really want to get hair down...

[Anonymous No.6873798]

[Anonymous No.6874094]

>>6873598
you need god

[Anonymous No.6874103]

>>6873598
You need a whooping, a brain and Father figure present in your life.

[Anonymous No.6874110]

whats some good stuff you found that helped you to draw hair im strugglin

[Anonymous No.6874112]

>>6874110
R E F E R E N C E S
Is answer to anything you are struggling with. You CAN`T draw something if you doesn`t know how it supposed to LOOK and WORK.

[Anonymous No.6874126]

>>6874094
>>6874103
Yes probably, but more importantly, the redline? This is anime study general you know, not faggot general

[Anonymous No.6874140]

i tried without a reference

[Anonymous No.6874184]

[Anonymous No.6874212]

>>6874094
>>6874103
>copy of generic animu
>39293 (you)
>original stuff
>none or 1 (you) and is a snide comment

[Anonymous No.6874306]

[Anonymous No.6874345]

>>6874184
>>6874306
dog.jpg

[Anonymous No.6874457]

Best anatomy book to study? I thought about stonehouse, or this taco character point drawing book maybe?

[Anonymous No.6874580]

>>6874457
>Best anatomy book to study
proko+hampton

[Anonymous No.6874630]

>>6874345
always wanting to be starting something

[Anonymous No.6874648]

>>6874457
Die gestalt des menschen by gottfried bammes

[Anonymous No.6874802]

Drew Toph from Avatar. Any critiques for me bros? give it to me.

[Anonymous No.6874806]

lineart

[Anonymous No.6874913]

now when do we get to draw anime eyes, render and draw crazy lighting

[Anonymous No.6874925]

>>6874806
>>6874913
These are not studies go away

[Anonymous No.6874987]

>>6874140

[Anonymous No.6875034]

>>6874925
they're not??

[Anonymous No.6875046]

>>6873798
looks better than og

[Anonymous No.6875279]

>>6875046
Yeah the original head feels flat, but I prefer the original facial features

[Anonymous No.6875404]

>>6873798
This is really great, blowg?

[Anonymous No.6875733]

>>6874987
oh neat. thanks.

[Anonymous No.6875782]

>>6873216
Anyone have any Atlus art books? I was doing studies of Persona when I lost my hard drive.

[Anonymous No.6875805]

>>6875404
no, I'm not giving you my blog because you refused to follow me

[Anonymous No.6875817]

>>6875404
I don't have one.
>>6875805
?

[Anonymous No.6875881]

>>6873216
>https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-238090f8a5934eb883fc644bef1d1214

I want to do this perspective course, but its a bit hard to follow. What exactly does he want us to do? Just copy structures from reference in week 1? Copy figures in space in week 2?..

[Anonymous No.6875946]

Imma see if I can draw Nikkes more accurately

[Anonymous No.6875992]

>>6874212
Every /asg/ thread

[Anonymous No.6876148]

What kind of brushes are used for this kind of look? I think he uses watercolor ones but I'm not sure which CSP watercolor brushes can achieve a similar look

[Anonymous No.6876236]

[Anonymous No.6876247]

[Anonymous No.6876282]

[Anonymous No.6876450]

>>6875782
https://exhentai.org/?f_search=persona+artbook

[Anonymous No.6876689]

>>6875034
>>6875946
No fuck off doodlefag

[Anonymous No.6876712]

it's bad but i learned today

[Anonymous No.6876730]

>>6876712
hey don't tell me to fuck off
YOU FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.6876732]

>>6876247
very nice

[Anonymous No.6876811]

[Anonymous No.6877006]

Proportions are fucked, head is fucked, and I have no idea how to draw butts. It's progress I guess, but fuck it gets irritating when you botch every drawing the first time and have to go back later and fix it. Blegh.

[Anonymous No.6877721]

>>6877006
>Proportions are fucked, head is fucked, and I have no idea how to draw butts
You should be matching lines and shapes and not worried about anatomy at this point.

[Anonymous No.6877846]

My first attempt of a Krenz accuracy study. Didn’t correct anything because I wanted to see how close I could get, and honestly is better than I would have thought.
But I am at a bit of a loss as to how exactly you can “measure” the length of shapes. Like, in life drawing I can hold up my pencil and turn it to get stuff like “it’s 1.5x taller than the width”, but here, I am lost. In the YouTube video in the OP, he seems to just go off of angle and then “wing it”. Anybody got any advice? It is it just a matter of grinding? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6878093]

>>6877846
Nevermind, he explains it in the other YT video (the coordinate stuff).

[Anonymous No.6878305]

[Anonymous No.6878323]

i literally don't feel like i learned anything if i can't draw without a reference

[Anonymous No.6878325]

am i doing these correctly?

[Anonymous No.6878397]

how long should i be doing copies before moving on to perspective?

[Anonymous No.6878446]

>>6878305
nice anon, the expression is much closer

[Anonymous No.6878459]

>>6878397
you should actually be studying perspective first along with other fundies

[Anonymous No.6878461]

Is this pose right?

[Anonymous No.6878480]

>>6878459
other fundies? which ones?

[Anonymous No.6878492]

>>6878480
observation and basic anatomy (circles, cubes...) for example
study them and do copies along

[Anonymous No.6878538]

>>6878492
observation? isnt the whole point of copying to practice observation? i don't understand
ive already memorized all muscle groups and bones, currently doing "how to draw" by Scott robertson

[Anonymous No.6878566]

>>6878461
dios mio

[Anonymous No.6878585]

Oh, is this copy machine general? I must've got the wrong classroom.

[Anonymous No.6878664]

>>6878325
Bottom doges back is being squished by guidelines. Other than that your cool

[Anonymous No.6878684]

>>6878538
i assumed that you were a beg

[Anonymous No.6878841]

>>6878461
shoulders are broken

[Anonymous No.6878861]

>>6876730
Stop posting stay in your hugbox general and leave this one. We are trying to learn and study here, something you're not capable of.

[Anonymous No.6878915]

>>6878841
Better now?

[Anonymous No.6878979]

>>6878915

[Anonymous No.6879120]

>>6878979
Thank you so much for helping me

[Anonymous No.6879251]

Some studies.

[Anonymous No.6879328]

>>6879251
Clothes are so hard to draw, but that looks good

[Anonymous No.6879333]

I did another render study, think I'm sort of understanding it a bit more.

[Anonymous No.6879374]

ultra beg question, I'm new to digital and csp are there videos explaining the whole illustration process made by japs?
something like this but slowed down and explaining why they do the things they do. krenz mentions something about mindless copying without understanding color theory on the OP for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNnNGstPtAw

[Anonymous No.6879392]

Saitou launched a new course:
https://youtu.be/LFBqhX3h_pw?si=7atPl9NijAmi_23k&t=979 (timestamped to 16:20)
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/naokisaito

[Anonymous No.6879399]

>>6879392
from 3 month improvement to 1 month improvement, sasuga grifter-sensei

[Anonymous No.6879404]

>>6879399
Can't keep up?

[Anonymous No.6879812]

so, do you trial and error proportions until something looks good? it’s probably a lot faster to study another artist, but what if you’re making something original?

[Anonymous No.6879909]

>>6879812
Yes, if you look at non-preplanned speed paints of prolific artists, they make small corrections throughout the entire course of the video.
People who primarily do pencil or transitioned from trad to digital will make less mistakes.
In the audio world, no matter what fancy effects and programs are at play, the advice always "use your ears".
Here is no different; use your eyes.
Also, you should be referencing.

[Anonymous No.6879932]

these aren't hard to do, just time consuming, roughly 20 min each, should i increase the difficulty or should i keep doing these until they take 5min or so before increasing difficulty?

[Anonymous No.6879951]

So what anatomy book do JPs pros usually learn from?

[Anonymous No.6879955]

>>6879932
Whatever keeps you interested in doing them. I prefered just jumping straight into art I liked, because it was more fun for me. You can always go back to the simpler stuff if you feel like it's hard. But remember that it's just lines and shit, and not really a big deal.

[Anonymous No.6880000]

Is there a recommended brush in procreate I’m a bit overwhelmed

[Anonymous No.6880013]

Should I still go through Loomis first for fundamentals if I’m wanting to lean into a more anime/manga styles

[Anonymous No.6880174]

How do I achieve this clean effect with the brush strokes in the hair? When I try it usually turns into a blurred mess.

[Anonymous No.6880205]

>>6880174
make another layer, make strokes then blend tool or soft airbrush

[Anonymous No.6880235]

>>6880205
I think I kind of get how its being done. It is a total bitch to do though, I don't prefer this method.

[Anonymous No.6880241]

>>6878915
my thoughts
it's a pretty difficult pose. to pull it off you need a better understanding of the pelvis. this is a common simplification of it, turning it into a box then attaching the leg bone on its sides
>>6880013
loomis' teachings can be used everywhere. learn his method and study to make it work on your anime girls

[Anonymous No.6880287]

and here's more

[Anonymous No.6880296]

>>6879932
>>6880287
I like the dogs but do some without putting those red lines down. Theyre increasing your accuracy but when you're making your own you're not going to use them because where would they even come from (its a crutch)

[Anonymous No.6880305]

[Anonymous No.6880323]

>>6880296
i could do that but i would need to overlay constantly to check for mistakes, I've already tried without guidelines but my observation isn't good enough yet so i keep making relatively small mistakes that snowball into more and more mistakes

[Anonymous No.6880325]

>>6880296
>where would they even come from
memory, perspective

[Anonymous No.6880441]

[Anonymous No.6880442]

[Anonymous No.6880444]

>>6880442

[Anonymous No.6880472]

>>6880323
then thats exactly what you should practice, dont cope hide from it. Feel grateful you were able to exactly pick out the problem

>>6880325
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6880487]

>>6880305
this is better. do more

[Anonymous No.6880488]

>>6880472
well krenz did say to use guidelines in his stream so ill keep using them for now, my eyes are still not catching mistakes

oh btw is overlaying to look for mistakes bad or ill grow out of it?

[Anonymous No.6880490]

>>6880441
>>6880444

blog?

[Anonymous No.6880491]

>>6880488
hmm now that i look at it again i see so many more mistakes, i should really start flipping the canvas more often

[Anonymous No.6880603]

Browsing sadpanda and pixiv I see heaps of works with fucked anatomy or lackluster rendering but they are there anyway with 4* ratings. I am currently stuck in study hell, should I just stop worrying about my stuff being right or wrong and put out some stuff to see if anyone is interested instead of just cycling through anatomy studies?

[Anonymous No.6880840]

are the krenz accuracy images in order of difficulty? because this cat thing shouldn't be this low level

[Anonymous No.6881030]

>>6880603
I think it's important to draw what you want to draw, in addition to doing studies. Plus, that way you can see any mistakes you're making during your normal drawings so you know what you need to be studying.

[Anonymous No.6881163]

>>6880490
None. And it's just slightly altered copies of pics from pinterest.

Btw does this way of painting with hrb look appealing? Not colour schemes but these rough brushstrokes?

[Anonymous No.6881175]

>>6881163
post the reffs, I do like the brush strokes,, but not completely the edges are too soft, it looks unfinished- you can keep them loose but right now it's too unintentional

[Anonymous No.6881180]

>>6881163
I think you're getting quite good at the hrb, anon. every new study you post looks a little better than the one before

[Anonymous No.6881197]

>>6880442
cute

[Anonymous No.6881210]

>>6879328
Oh thanks a lot anon, that's nice to hear.
Yep, drawing clothes can be difficult but I think that painting them instead of drawing them is a bit more manageable when you study.

[Anonymous No.6881218]

>>6881210
Also a new digital study.

[Anonymous No.6881226]

>>6881175
Seems like the fag I referenced Remilia pic from deleted his pixiv post. He uses all kinds of fancy texture brushes and final result looks great but I really want to make it work with hrb

>>6881180
Thanks, good to hear that

[Anonymous No.6881262]

>>6881197
kek

[Anonymous No.6881425]

>>6880013
>loomis first
no, draw what you want to. loomis - or any learning resource - only exists to answer questions and refine your existing art
>but i’ll be shit
yes, but why does it matter? while drawing 1000 loomis heads will probably teach you something about construction, you’ll still be shit at anime without practice

[Anonymous No.6881432]

>>6881425
pyw

[Anonymous No.6881491]

>>6881432

[Anonymous No.6881723]

>>6880488
>>6880491
if you're not going to listen why would you ask for more advice, crab yourself

[Anonymous No.6881985]

test

[Anonymous No.6882148]

>>6873216
Tried drawing kizaru off of the first frame of this
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/691302611568580462/
What did I do wrong - and more importantly, how can I make it not wrong next time?

[Anonymous No.6882527]

>>6879399
gotta keep them hooked

[Anonymous No.6882944]

Question bros, I copied as few settei pages of heads, but every time I try to create them from imagination I end up with something really ugly and weird looking, how do I make it stick?

[Anonymous No.6883050]

>>6879399
>>6882527
Is any of his advice actually helpful?

[Anonymous No.6883069]

>>6883050
He's fine. I don't think he says anything you couldn't ascertain on your own from just studying Japanese art. Just drip feeding to a western audience that desperately wanted a Japanese person with some industry legitimacy.

[Anonymous No.6883314]

>>6883050
His method isn't anything revolutionary, but it's something that can work well if you're able to stick with it. If people needed to hear it from a guy with a funny hat then clearly it's for them. He does have a way with words, a good salesman.
You could probably learn a thing or two about how to market yourself like him, also he draws pretty well too, so he has both going for him.

[Anonymous No.6883319]

>>6879392
have any of you actually tried the 3 mo?

[Anonymous No.6883323]

>>6883319
Couldn't get past the first step of finding a singular artist to study. The ones I picked are either way above my skill level or I lost motivation for partway. You really need to be singularly autistic enough to stick with one for the whole three months or it's pointless. It's the main driving force of the method.

[Anonymous No.6883331]

>>6883314
>how to market
I'm not trying to sell anything or bring attention to my stuff at the moment, but marketing knowledge might be good to reference in future. Are there any resources on how to do this aside from naoki?

[Anonymous No.6883353]

>>6883331
Look to your more successful peers and focus on what you're marketing towards. From what i've seen from other artists it's usually one or a combination of a few of these elements:
>Having an approachable disposition, whether by being funny, interesting, or nice to your audience. And a consistent social media presence.
>Being active in artist circles, fandoms or trends. That can include things like participating in events irl or online.
>Offer a product or service. It doesn't have to be unique, could be tutorials/advice/brushes or anything else that people would find interesting.
>Above all else, art that's sufficiently skilled enough or a style that's eye-catching for the niche you're in.

Then you just sort of build up from there. There's still an element of luck to it though, being noticed is one of the big breaks you're looking for. But constantly putting yourself out there does give you more opportunity to /be/ noticed eventually. I don't really know if there are art-specific books or resources out there, this is just what I gathered from successful artists i've looked up to.

[Anonymous No.6883371]

>>6883353
>social media presence
I have a pixiv that I update every couple of months or so with 200 followers but it has no theme and I just upload random shit to it, should I try to do something with this account or just abandon it and restart?
>art that's sufficiently skilled enough
How do you measure this? All I know is I am still /beg/ and far removed from being able to make anything appealing to a general audience.

[Anonymous No.6883386]

>>6883371
Pixiv is tough to grow on unless you're quite good or if you're lucky imo. Still, I wouldn't recommend starting over since you already have the numbers and they're small enough that changing gears wouldn't alienate that crowd if you tried to be more focused (same advice i'd say for any other platform). Twitter/X is kind of in the shitter right now but it is still one of the best places to grow an audience. At least if you do it now before it falls apart and you can redirect those people to your Pixiv later.
>How do you measure this?
It's pretty hard to define because of lots of factors like appeal and luck of the draw. But it's easier to say that you don't have to be a Mika Pikazo-tier artist to really make it? Just keep improving for now and it will lead you to drawing things you like and making a corner for yourself.

[Anonymous No.6883413]

>>6883353
>Having an approachable disposition, whether by being funny, interesting, or nice to your audience
You completely lost me, what does this have to do with art?

[Anonymous No.6883429]

>>6882944
if you can rotate a box you should be able to thatm if you can't then you need to study your basic fundies.

[Anonymous No.6883441]

I'm too retarded to understand what the hell is wrong, someone with red lines, please correct it.

[Anonymous No.6883444]

>>6883413
Anon asked for marketing advice. Can you read?
Anyway, you could be the anime equivalent of Michelangelo right now but have little to no communication skills then you won't get farther than if you got lucky and landed a good corporate artist job. It's possible to get work on raw skill alone, but realistically speaking if you desire to maintain an audience then you need an outward presence that's approachable. Feel free to fake it, i'm not saying you can or can't be genuine about it as long as you can draw people in for whatever purpose.

[Anonymous No.6883495]

Say I'm having a lot of difficulty with Kren's dogs, literally level 1 for Accuracy. Am I just fucked? Do I just keep grinding through it? Should I focus on something else? I probably spent 2-3 hours trying to get it just right, and while I was satisfied at the end it took a loooot of erasing, trying again, etc, etc. For how simple its supposed to be, I'm just not doing it right.

[Anonymous No.6883500]

>>6883495
are you using guidelines?

[Anonymous No.6883503]

>>6883500
My guidelines are always off. That's probably what took the longest to get correct. Once those are down getting the dog down was (relatively) simple on most curves. But the angle of the guidelines kept being 3-5 degrees off.

[Anonymous No.6883504]

any tips to improve?

[Anonymous No.6883508]

>>6883504
ah crap wrong thread, mods delete my dumbass

[Anonymous No.6883546]

this shit is so unfun. i'm tired of being talentless. i'm tired of doing all of this studying and failing to retain information for more than 2 days. i'm tired of taking my time only for it to still look like shit. i don't even know what i'm drawing for anymore or why i started. i wish i didn't care so much about something i have no future in.

[Anonymous No.6883550]

>>6883546
draw the big shapes first and don't do the contour bumps

[Anonymous No.6883557]

>>6883495
you're doing fine, youll get more accurate and faster with practice, keep grinding

[Anonymous No.6883578]

>>6880241
Thank you sm

[Anonymous No.6883636]

>>6882944
>>6883429
your construction method is bad, which is causing the result to be bad.

anime is FLAT, you can't just slap loomis onto it and call it a day

>>6883546
this looks xerox copied, post your construction now

>>6883504
looks nice, hand kind of dissapears though make it stand out more

>>6883495
stop with the guideline shit, or end up like the permabeg above with his dogs

>>6883441
this looks like reference with anime head slapped on top, post the reference now

>>6881491
nice, finish it

>>6881218
>>6880441
>>6876712
looks good anons

[Anonymous No.6883696]

>>6883636
>not using guidelines
Why are you so adamant about this? The whole point of the exercise is to visualize and compare the simples shapes you make by decomposing the image.

[Anonymous No.6883720]

>>6883636
pyw

[Anonymous No.6883725]

>>6883636
>anime is FLAT, you can't just slap loomis onto it and call it a day
not you can just to that but don't even need it if your know your fundies,fact.

[Anonymous No.6883751]

>>6873216
I really like that Etna and top right drawing
You can tell those guys had fun drawing them

[Anonymous No.6883757]

>>6883725
>not you can just to that but don't even need it if your know your fundies,fact.
POO IN THE LOO

[Anonymous No.6883916]

>>6883636
There is no reference, that's why I'm asking you to correct it with a red line because it has errors, asshole

[Anonymous No.6883971]

>>6883725
>not you can just to that but don't even need it if your know your fundies,fact.

crabs really aren't even trying anymore

>>6883696
cool keep doing it then, see where you end up

>>6883916
>>6883441
right arm should either stick out enough it becomes a bow shape, or not be visible at all, also looks like its a merge of the leg
right leg is wrong angled otherwise the butt would also become the leg at the angle you're trying for

>>6883720
I already did above, 0 (You)'s very cool

[Anonymous No.6883975]

>>6883546

[Anonymous No.6884019]

>>6883971
above where exactly?

[Anonymous No.6884035]

>>6884019
start of thread, clearly not interesting enough for anons here and I don't need your post crab critique so I'll make another

[Anonymous No.6884116]

>japanese artists draw from life and apply style to realism
>thread dogma is copying 2D stylized art ad infinitum
explain this to me

[Anonymous No.6884139]

>>6884116
they won't, better brace yourself for the barrage of permabeg master copies

[Anonymous No.6884151]

>>6883975
NTA but I hate you

[Anonymous No.6884168]

>>6884116
How do you think jap artist learn to apply style? Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.6884180]

>>6884168
Good morning sar

[Anonymous No.6884184]

>>6884168
by taking the aspects of what they find aesthetically appealing and applying them to their own drawings while refining their skills through trial and error?

[Anonymous No.6884186]

>>6884035
I'll cheer you on in secret anon. Even if you never get (You)'s. Know that I'm in your corner!

[Anonymous No.6884187]

>>6884116
The fucking OP has been a complete disaster, a total plague, utter curse
Now the thread is filled with retards that copy copy copy like NPCs, like atelier retards
Well good on this, since it removes potential competitors lmao
Think of how many got trolled like this >>6883546
Whatever, zoomers have 0 critical thinking skills, GG no re

[Anonymous No.6884188]

>>6884184
>by taking the aspects of what they find aesthetically appealing
And that's why you copy other artists

[Anonymous No.6884195]

>>6884188
>copy
There's the fucking word again. Brainless moron.
Meanwhile actual books:

[Anonymous No.6884226]

>>6884195
so how do you use this book?

[Anonymous No.6884275]

>>6884116
zoomers didn't watch the krenz stream, copying is only meant for observation gains, cartoons > anime > realism

[Anonymous No.6884304]

>>6884275
Kek

[Anonymous No.6884500]

>>6883971
Where will I end up and why?

[Anonymous No.6884522]

>>6884500
Alone in a dark room. Because you deserve it.

[Anonymous No.6884730]

Krenz and his consequences have been a disaster for the asg race

When can we start not advocating to follow his permacrab advice

[Anonymous No.6884754]

>>6884730
theres no point for the current asg to exist tbqh, if you are a complete day 1 beg you need to study your fundies that's not for debate, so go the /beg/ route rtight? well a lot of begs don't get that need that instead they want to draw chinky cartoons right from the start, and they post their cringe here, where they get mislead by salty copytrannies that encourage their weakness suck lack of will to do the needful and instead just copy cus gets them insta gratification to ''draw'' something that looks close to their goals.

so what to do isntead? just create a an /alt/, /salt/ ver with anime style, just like these gens are not focused on teaching you how to draw these specifics instead in sharing and getting crit, while you can get tips, is not the focus of the thread so art trives in these gens unlike here, where you have begs trying to be copy machines but failling misserably to draw anything from zero.

[Anonymous No.6884755]

>>6884754
where do you go to study your fundies anyway

[Anonymous No.6884761]

>>6884755
I spent a year in /beg/ before coming here, it has treated me well.

[Anonymous No.6884764]

>>6884761
/beg/ advice has been good to me. the only time I've had issues with it is the rare occasion two different people give me contradictory advice and I have to parse out what is and isn't useful advice

[Anonymous No.6884767]

>>6884755
Well theres a big difference between a complete beginner vs someone who wants to polish or fully complete their fundies.

Lets say you want to learn how to feel the forms

for a beginner practicing cubes, wiring simple forms and some basic gradient studies it can make you great progress but not so much or nothing at all for someone more advanced.

/beg/ is good enough for this, you get tips like this everywhere too.

[Anonymous No.6884772]

It has been 3 years since I started and I still cannot construct a torso (ribcage-pelvis) in the right perspective. What do I do short of killing myself?

[Anonymous No.6884773]

>>6884767
yeah but with feeling the form, for example, where would you go to learn that if you knew nothing about it? would you just google it? would you look through the /ic/ wiki?

I've learned some of that stuff like trying to feel the form and practicing cubes. I was just wondering if there was a specific place people learned it or if you were just supposed to absorb knowledge you happen upon in /ic/ and try to figure it out yourself

[Anonymous No.6884786]

>>6884773
>yeah but with feeling the form, for example, where would you go to learn that if you knew nothing about it? would you just google it? would you look through the /ic/ wiki?

you can
Got to be /beg/ an aks there
Make a thread
search the archives( Warosu)
google

the second one is the best imo followed by the first one

[Anonymous No.6885126]

>>6884754
the needful would be creating original work from imagination?

>>6883636
>anime is FLAT, you can't just slap loomis onto it and call it a day

is there a right method, or should it just be eyeballed

[Anonymous No.6885145]

>>6879333
Body looks decent maybe go a bit harder on the swimsuit texture though

[Anonymous No.6885259]

Again with some studies.

[Anonymous No.6885273]

>>6885259
Also a webm of me trying to follow a tutorial. What do you think? Does it look good? any critique?

[Anonymous No.6885642]

why would i draw a circle? it's clearly a square. thinking of it like a circle makes it more complicated to think about. it doesn't even line up after a while
https://youtu.be/KbKTiGSRHig?si=Ix1nNeJpjKdExSmq

[Anonymous No.6885693]

does /asg/ know or suspect that toriyama uses boxes to construct heads? just trying to understand (good) anime art better and see if my observations are correct.

[Anonymous No.6885712]

>>6885642
dude is just explaining the loomis method

[Anonymous No.6885746]

>>6885712
these mf tricked me into learning fundies!

[Anonymous No.6885754]

>>6885693
He just sketches. Just look at some of his sketches. They're not hard to find.

[Anonymous No.6885794]

>>6885259
You're getting there. Eyes and side of face still disproportionate in certain angles but I admire the consistency. Maybe draw some head turnarounds to push your knowledge.

[Anonymous No.6885800]

Are there websites that collect anime stills like ones for movies? Besides sakugabooru which is decent but the tags aren't nearly as easy to search with.

[Anonymous No.6885838]

>>6885800
setteidreams

[Anonymous No.6885869]

>>6885838
I'm not looking for settei or production sheets, just a place to browse screengrabs from a show by searching for the title. I wanna use it for color/composition studies. Afraid if I load up my own episodes i'm just going to get distracted and watch the whole thing rather than draw.

[Anonymous No.6885934]

To any artists here does anyone know any good tutorials or books on how to shade/ color and give skin/ the body texture? I can’t find anything that has explained this in an easy to understand way and i feel learning to properly color and shade is the next step i need to learn to further improve my art

[Anonymous No.6886004]

>>6885934
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=8869452
westerner artist but seems to capture well enough the generic shading style anons enjoy around here. try the "how to" tag on gelbooru too
as for books, I think houtengeki's has a section on shading

[Anonymous No.6886186]

From time to time I suddenly get the feeling that I'm absolutely ngmi and I need to give up to save the time and effort. Is this feeling a common feeling or am I actually ngmi.

[Anonymous No.6886199]

I don't know if this is the best place to ask, but does anyone know how to archive pixiv livestreams? As far as I know as soon as the streams ends it's pretty much lost

[Anonymous No.6886249]

https://youtu.be/lgqQFz9sA48?si=c8eii9WIm6vl1g98
what tool does he use for line art? it looks really convenient and a lot easier than doing the by hand myself.

[Anonymous No.6886333]

>>6886249
Pay closer attention to the subtools while he's drawing. He's using the curve tool but also still drawing certain lines by hand with a g pen brush.

[Anonymous No.6886409]

>>6882148
Don't want to be rude or anything, but like, does anyone have anything to offer on this?
It's just kind of a shitpost piece, I know, but I can tell I did some things right and some wrong, and I'd like to know which so I can apply it in the future.

[Anonymous No.6886414]

>>6886409
your proportions are wrong, most notaable being cheecks being squished and elongated chin, you made him into a habsburg, also don't use gifs for studies until your accuracy and speed increases

[Anonymous No.6886419]

>>6886409
>>6886409
/beg/ so take with grain of salt...
I liked it, and I thought it looked familiar, but I didn't put two and two together and realise it was the one piece character. There does seem to be some likeness you failed capture, which I think you've probably realised yourself:
>The chin is too long and tilts to the right
>his glasses are too short/small
>his smile isn't as emphasised
You did a good job of drawing the shapes, it's just the proportions that are off

[Anonymous No.6886427]

>>6886409
you didn't make both lenses the same size

[Anonymous No.6886524]

>>6885642
you dont need that many construction lines.

[Anonymous No.6886992]

>made 2k new followers without drawing anything in 3 weeks

[Anonymous No.6887069]

>>6884116
>>6884187
>>6884730
>>6884754
>>6879951
>>6883636
>>6885126
I'll never understand why an ANIME study general decided to choose a random gook as messiah.
You'd think an actual Japanese animator would be a better choice:
https://youtu.be/tVJPyqUjB9Y?t=10m55s
Dude streams amazing stuff everyday and guess which master he studied?

[Anonymous No.6887087]

>>6887069
uh...

[Anonymous No.6887089]

Whenever you think you're not good enough remember that the Jujutsu Kaisen Mangaka draws like this. Be proud of all your progress and keep going.

[Anonymous No.6887129]

>>6887089
you mean used to?

[Anonymous No.6887143]

>>6887089
I have better example

[Anonymous No.6887212]

>>6885800
there's only fancaps

[Anonymous No.6887347]

Quick study

[Anonymous No.6887604]

>>6887069
difference is they do life study on japanese subjects to create an approximation of a jap. if you try and go do that in a studio here you'll end up with at best a bastardized anglicized imitation or at worst some tumblr abomination.

[Anonymous No.6887649]

nothing hurts worse when you think you learned something only to come back the next day and you didn't actually learn shit

[Anonymous No.6887858]

what is even going on in this hair can someone help me break this down?

[Anonymous No.6887894]

please fix my asses

[Anonymous No.6887946]

>>6887858
He's been devoted to his waifu for 15 years or so now and been honing his skills to paint her better and better all this time, I kneel.

[Anonymous No.6888028]

>>6887604
cope
grind the fucking fundies

[Anonymous No.6888033]

How did this guy go from borderline /beg/ to industry uber pro in like 4 years
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?page=11&tags=mr.lime
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?page=1&tags=mr.lime

What's the secret

[Anonymous No.6888034]

>>6887894
Look at real ones and compare dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.6888042]

>>6888033
By drawing a lot and finishing drawings, not just making girl standing in white void or disembodied head

[Anonymous No.6888050]

>>6888033
the earlier stuff isn't even close to beg soo... the answer is he was already close to pro and realistically could have developed even more in that time frame.

[Anonymous No.6888059]

>>6888033
I'm pretty curious about his progress here. It seems like something learned from a course or school
https://twitter.com/MrSnakesnake628/status/1654559256916668417

[Anonymous No.6888061]

feedback?

[Anonymous No.6888121]

>>6888061
Stomach rendering is mostly fine, could use a little ambient lighting at the end of the shadow (In this case I guess a lighter grey from the BG to make the form stand out. I would also try to make the light source consistent, some parts aren't shaded consistently, stomach suggests lighting from the top right but the hands arms and breasts are shaded in neutral/ top lighting. Since you're focusing on the stomach, feel free to ignore the other tips and just draw neuron activating photo references lol good luck

[Anonymous No.6888170]

>>6887894
try using less lines and keep studying

[Anonymous No.6888174]

>>6880441
You should sharpen up some of the key details you want the viewer to focus on. In this case, probably around the face/eyes. Some appropriately textured crisp brushes should do wonders.

[Anonymous No.6888225]

>>6883441
probably wont see this but fuck it

[Anonymous No.6888362]

>>6887069
copyfags btfo

[Anonymous No.6888375]

>>6887604
holy cope

[Anonymous No.6888380]

>>6888362
https://e-hentai.org/g/2704572/7b064f23d0/

[Anonymous No.6888406]

>>6888380
In English, doc?

[Anonymous No.6888495]

>>6888406
https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/
https://animecards.site/

[Anonymous No.6888523]

>>6888380
>>6888495
とうも、上のばか外人よく読まないはずだ

w
w
w
w
w

[Anonymous No.6888524]

>>6888170
i really am talentless. thanks you for the correction

[Anonymous No.6888589]

>>6888225
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6888702]

yes hello; excuse me if this question doesn't belong here. What's a good video course for a zoomer(me) to learn the basics of drawing in general? Preferably a course that actually gives assignments/homework for my dumb brain can feel like it's accomplishing something. ty and sorry again if this doesn't belong here

[Anonymous No.6888757]

bros how can we even compete with AI? It literally perfected anime art. What should I do to be original and not get mistaken for AI art when I draw?

It feels like it's not even worth to be good at rendering now becuase if you get really good at it people will just think it's AI now.

[Anonymous No.6888765]

>>6888757
>we

[Anonymous No.6888789]

>>6888757
it just does 10% of what art is. It does it well but it's still just 10%. Sometimes, when an artist makes art that looks like the 10% that AI does well and I come across their art by chance, I can have a hesitation: is this AI or human? But, most of the time, in the vast majority of cases, I have no doubt that what I'm looking at is human, it doesn't even cross my mind. There's still a lot that AI can't do, try ambitious, original, bizarre compositions; try complex angles, pose your characters in an original way in the environments in which they find themselves, draw very dynamic poses; make your characters interact with things or with other characters; draw unusual facial expressions that describe complex emotions, puts the emphasis on hands, and so on.

[Anonymous No.6888815]

>>6888757
Anything with a story or even some expression of emotion the AI fucks up or just creates some cheap imitation of it. Your pic is cool but doesn't convey anything other than it being cool.

[Anonymous No.6888844]

>>6888524
Glad I could help also I wouldn't say you're talentless since you incorporated the advice pretty damn quick

>>6888589
np lol

[Anonymous No.6888977]

need a japanese book or videos on drawing clothes and folds for anime or im gonna end up drawing hentai

[Anonymosus No.6889001]

any tips for shading, i feel kinda aimless

[Anonymous No.6889023]

Really unhappy with how this one turned out. Wasted so much time on it, and the end result is shit.

[Anonymous No.6889035]

>>6889023
How much? 30 minutes? It shouldn't take more than that

[Anonymous No.6889045]

>>6888757
Creativity.
One Piece, one of the most successful manga in existence, does not owe its success to any great artistic accomplishment. It is because it is oozing with creativity and weirdness in every shred of its character design, worldbuilding and narrative, the kind of creativity that an AI or its prompter does not easily understand.

[Anonymous No.6889048]

>>6889023
It looks like you spent <10mins

was it really that much time?

[Anonymous No.6889052]

>>6888061
You're doing too much. The values is confusing and all over the place, you've done too much which ironically reduces from the overall drawing. Try thinking of shadows as shapes and try making them blockier or grouped together more. Make the shadows work for you to define the shapes of the subject.

The other anon already covered the lack of definitions on the anatomical shapes too.

[Anonymous No.6889140]

>>6888702
dynamic sketching by peter han,after that you could do the David finch roadmap

[Anonymous No.6889704]

>>6887069
I'd like this general better if it wasn't just krenz cult and we could discuss other Japanese or azn methods.

[Anonymous No.6889714]

>>6889704
How about actually drawing original stuff?

[Anonymous No.6889718]

>>6889714
Do you mean anons posting oc instead of copies or are you just shitposting

[Anonymous No.6889765]

>>6889704
azn method?

[Anonymous No.6889816]

>>6889718
the former, asg would benefit greatly from that

[Anonymous No.6889854]

>>6889816
True
>>6889765
azn = asian

[Anonymous No.6890054]

fucked up big time

[Anonymous No.6890425]

This is how I'm going through the references in the krenz pack. Any advice?
The sanguine ayyliens are me drawing from memory immediately after copying, I've just started with them and have no idea what I'm doing so I'm just hoping my smooth brain gets a few folds from just doing them for a bit.
https://files.catbox.moe/qdbean.mp4

[Anonymous No.6890548]

>>6890054
looks good to me. where did you think you fucked up?

[Anonymous No.6890596]

>>6890548
almost everything, I think I did alright with the colours

[Anonymous No.6890606]

>>6890425
its a good method for observation, but as you can see it falls flat for doing things from imagination

[Anonymous No.6890613]

When should I specifically focus on trying to develop my own style? It currently just takes me all I have to mash techniques together to produce a piece that looks coherent and each one is different to the next.

[Anonymous No.6890710]

>>6890613
Just draw what you like.

[Anonymous No.6890739]

So when can we have a version of these threads without the krenzcrab?

[Anonymous No.6890823]

>>6890606
I don't think the point of it is to straight up learn to draw from imagination. The observation bit is accurate for my goals (just learning to accurately copy stuff), but for me what I really want to get out of the krenz thing is an ability to break things down into pleasing shapes using the CSI. Sort of like pic related. I really like his and his instructors' linework (maybe a better example: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Pm4ao1)) even outside of anime.
I'm sure that just trying to copy stuff accurately isn't going to hurt my /beg/ ass anyway, as long as I don't expect miracles. As for drawing from imagination I am also doing the whole "simplify objects into simple shapes enclosed in a rectangular prism and then rotate them in imagination" thing, I think it'll be way more useful for that specifically.
But yeah I don't know what to think about the drawing without reference thing, I'm just doing it since it was in the video. Maybe it's supposed to guide me specifically towards the kind of shape decomposition that is easy to remember and reproduce? But really I just asked for advice since maybe some anon further ahead of me sees something important that I'm missing. The thing I really need now more than anything is to just sit my ass down and draw whatever.

[Anonymous No.6891217]

How do you guys pick a style to copy from? There's so many good artists out there. Do you just flip a coin or some shit?

[Anonymous No.6891304]

>>6891217
>make a list of your 15 favorite artists
>now choose two you like the least
>delete from list
>repeat

[Anonymous No.6891945]

krenzsisters... I dont feel so good

[Anonymous No.6892266]

>>6891217
I was given the advice of finding a common throughline between maybe 10 artists that i've followed for a long time and/or inspire me to draw. And then narrow down which singular one (or two if you can manage) that sort of hits as much as those elements and fundamentals that you aspire to. Then go from there. I was doing that recently myself to try the 3 month challenge again.

[Anonymous No.6892321]

>>6885794
Do you really think so? It makes me very happy, danke schön. And yes I've been trying to be consistent at drawing even though, a turnaround is still difficult for me but that's what practice is for.

[Anonymous No.6892324]

>>6892321
And some random stuff.

[Anonymous No.6892658]

quick one before work

[Anonymous No.6892747]

>>6892321
>>6892324
>>6892658
>>6890596
>>6889023
>>6887347
gmi

>>6883546
repeat it again anon

>>6880287
>>6879932
cute but stop using those crablines around the object as a way to cope through poor observation

[Anonymous No.6892755]

>>6892747
well explain how to get better at observation then

[Anonymous No.6893231]

Does anyone have the pdf for this? haven't been able to find yet

[Anonymous No.6893461]

teehee

[Anonymous No.6893462]

asdasd

[Anonymous No.6893474]

I started learning with a digital tablet almost a week ago. I'm kinda stupid on doing lines and circles yet, though I'm following the Figure Tutorial right now. Is there any tip to draw the oval without being confused by the hair? Is there a way to make sure that the shape is alright when trying figure drawing from an existing art?

[Anonymous No.6893483]

>>6881226
>Seems like the fag I referenced Remilia pic from deleted his pixiv post
It's Attall. Pinterestcucks I swear.

[Anonymous No.6893499]

>>6893483
Didn't this guy use to post in /ic/ ages ago before some schizo got obsessed and drove him off?

[Anonymous No.6893504]

>>6893483
>>6893499
Wait, he used to post here?

[Anonymous No.6893505]

>>6893499
>jap who doesn't know English
>posting in /ic/
No. The schizo was just deluded.

[Anonymous No.6893821]

>>6893483
No. It was ztoz https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/90778580

He still delets everything he posts for some reason.

[Anonymous No.6893856]

Anime hair is such a fucking mess how do I have to think about it to render it properly?

I can't even copy it from reference because I don't get the fucking steps.

[Anonymous No.6893866]

>>6893474
>from an existing art?
What do you mean with this kind stranger?
Are you trying to trace an existing work?

Kind blessings! <:^0

[Anonymous No.6893893]

>>6893856
brainlet

[Anonymous No.6893895]

>>6893893
big talk bet you can't even copy my ref either

[Anonymous No.6893981]

>>6893866
For now, I'm just trying to figure out head shapes on different positions. Though right now, I think that my first issue is making the damn oval correctly.

Back to the basics, here we go again.

[Anonymous No.6894585]

Newfag here. What is the best tool for drawing anime/manga stuff. Clip Studio Paint?

[Anonymous No.6894597]

>>6893981
Man, loomis is infinitely harmful for new artists.

[Anonymous No.6894634]

>>6894585
g-pen and real g-pen can be used to make amazing lineart but I find them kind of hard to use
airbrush can be turned into a hard round brush for shading and coloring if you crank up the hardness and set a nice opacity curve
I really disliked the default brushes for sketching, though, so I just downloaded a few and picked the one that felt the best

[Anonymous No.6894698]

[Anonymous No.6894700]

>>6893856
For something like your ref, it helps to think about what the actual hair's color is then build up from there. You might be getting thrown off by the extra tones that are only there to make her feel more like she belongs to the environment she's set in.

[Anonymous No.6894725]

>>6893856
https://www.twitch.tv/tmbgmi

[Anonymous No.6894867]

I have been having such amazing trouble with anime heads you would not believe. Also hair.
>>6894698
I will try copy this.

[Anonymous No.6894875]

>>6893981
I see koreans use boxes. And some youtube people but they never really explain how they got the box so I just end up with mishapen boxes.

[Anonymous No.6894877]

sage

[Anonymous No.6894955]

>>6894867
It's the hair.I definitely need to take a few days to make nice hair first. Mikey mega mega, you never steer me wrong.

[Anonymous No.6895127]

>>6894597
Why

[Anonymous No.6895187]

>>6893856
practiced the color from this, thanks
pretty hard to get right

[Anonymous No.6895233]

>>6892658
hands are too small in the ref

[Anonymous No.6895292]

>>6894725
>No saved videos
Classic

>>6894700
Good call, looking at it like this makes it way more manageable. The amount of additional detail people draw into hair makes it so nice to look at but so confusing. Feels like people go harder on hair than on eyes sometimes.

[Anonymous No.6895315]

>>6889045
>One Piece
>Creativity
LMAO
M
A
O
What One Piece does is not "creativity", it's just throwing random shit at the wall without even seeing what sticks and what doesn't.
>the kind of creativity that an AI or its prompter does not easily understand.
That's because OnePiece is at an even lower level than an AI, it's more like at the level of a random generator.

[Anonymous No.6895538]

>>6893461
Need the original source

[Anonymous No.6895906]

>>6894867
Maybe I can do it. Maybe.

[Anonymous No.6896027]

>>6895538
Atmopshere's sketchbook 1

[Anonymous No.6896273]

I'm like 90% sure all of this guy's work is drawn over 3D. What do you think?
https://twitter.com/ReI_Leyi/media

[Anonymous No.6896314]

>>6896273
Tracing is a tool.
Copying is a tool.
Referencing is a tool.
Prompting is a tool.
AI is an inevitable trillion-dollar industry and opportunity.

[Anonymous No.6896323]

>>6896314
I'm not hating on the guy. He has a lot of skill (you'd know if you actually drew). I'm just curious about his prep work

[Anonymous No.6896331]

>>6895906
Keep it up anon, also add in eyebrows, great improvements

>>6896273
https://twitter.com/ReI_Leyi/status/1196452505388863488/photo/1 Look at the older stuff, it shows a progression, pretty sure this is all skill, I think they definitely practiced drawing 3d shapes but I think now it's second nature

[Anonymous No.6896415]

>>6896331
Unfortunately half that is mikey mega mega.

[Anonymous No.6896416]

>>6894700
This is very useful thanks

[Anonymous No.6896466]

[Anonymous No.6896542]

KRENZ PERMABEGS WHERE ARE YOU, AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAHA

[Anonymous No.6896558]

>>6887604
who is coming up with this new high tier schizo?

[Anonymous No.6896674]

[Anonymous No.6896836]

>>6896674
Very cute!

[Anonymous No.6896961]

New Thread:
>>6896959
>>6896959
>>6896959