>AI will go away

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Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:37:03 2023 No.6855657 [Reply] [Original]

>AI will go away

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 14:37:16 2023 No.6855658

>>6855636
>>6855624
>and somehow it's about me again.
see? complete retards.

>>6855626
>So you can call us retarded and delusional for not agreeing with you?
no. i outargue you and THEN i call you retarded. it's not like you're doing the same.
except where are YOUR arguments? it seems to me like they always stop after a bit of challenge from me.

i at least understand the argument and the ad hominems. you idiots can legit not tell one from the other it seems. even going as far as to call it "bad faith arguments" LOL.
those are not my arguments you fucking idiot. those are just me telling you what i think of you.

>Maybe you simply should not try to argue with insults against an argument someone makes.
it's not like i started it. it's you retards that did. you cannot help but go back to the pyw shit. even when i meet you halfway with >>6853036 >>6852719, you just choose to not see it instead.
are those part of the arguments? do you really think that?
i WISH i could just keep to the arguments. but you imbeciles make it damn hard for me to respect anything you say.
go through the entire thread, or any thread i posted in and you'll see that i'm usually the one that is actually trying to have a real discussion.

and besides, again, i did make my arguments along with my insults. i always do.
unless it's about ad hominem shit in the first place, in that case it's never been part of any argument to begin with.

and notice ONCE AGAIN how nobody can continue the discussion after my challenge. the line of
discussion just died again after >>6855597
just like it did for that other argument about learning
after a certain point you just refuse to engage with the argument and focus on me instead as if any of that matters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:38:46 2023 No.6855660 >>6855657 bump

>>	Ai Sat Sep 23 14:51:37 2023 No.6855670 >>6855658

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:52:41 2023 No.6855673 pee pee poo poo

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:54:12 2023 No.6855677 >>6855658 Kill yoursel

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 14:59:30 2023 No.6855682 >>6855658 I'm so proud of you darling!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:00:14 2023 No.6855683 >>6855682 ikr? so heckin' valid!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:01:42 2023 No.6855685 >>6855683 Despite his setbacks he truly surprises us each day with what he's been able to accomplish! So freaking proud!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:02:39 2023 No.6855687 This is a low quality AI bait thread and also a duplicated thread >>6855668. Simply report both threads, hide them and move along, dont give them a chance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:03:05 2023 No.6855688 So how do you guys draw your steak? Rare? Medium? Don’t tell me you draw it well done?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:04:06 2023 No.6855690
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>>6855658
>after a certain point you just refuse to engage with the argument and focus on me instead as if any of that matters.
I explained it to you, you still won't accept it why this happens to you.
You brought this upon yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:16:37 2023 No.6855700 File: 128 KB, 601x508, everyAIspammer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6855657 t.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:22:43 2023 No.6855706

>>6855658
You've yet to post any of your work you wailing baboon
You've posted a white blob that you told your little toy to turn into a dog and a clearly rushed garbage trace of some rando pixiv artist that you blurred to try and hide you inability to even trace, again why should anyone take anything you say seriously?
There are unironically paraplegics that draw better with their damn mouth than what you're able to do.
YWNBAA, kill yourself

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:25:41 2023 No.6855709

>>6855657
AI went away. You barely get to hear about it anymore and most of the trash ai accounts are no longer active across all social medias.
Besides that, if you knew how ai works you would have known that it's not going anywhere in that direction for next 80 or so years.
You can legit learn to draw like a master in 80 years.
You do have a victim mentality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:28:53 2023 No.6855710 >>6855657 That looks pretty cool to be fair. I can see AI being used a lot in animation for background stuff, but right now it's still too bad for character animation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:29:26 2023 No.6855711 poo poo pee poo

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:32:31 2023 No.6855713 >>6855658 Did you create this thread just to respond to people from another archived thread? Or are you just so self-important that you leapt in here with that wall of text?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:33:40 2023 No.6855714 File: 238 KB, 650x637, IMG_4616.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] POONIGGER ALARM DO THE NEEDFUL SIRS SAGE REPORT AND HIDE YWNBAA

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:35:41 2023 No.6855716 >>6855713 he's a seething attention whore

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:37:40 2023 No.6855717 >Midjourney v6 >Dall-e 3 >animateDiff Artsisters, our response?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:38:41 2023 No.6855719
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Be intelligent and ignore/hide every AI thread you see, even better if you report. The quality of the content that this board receives also depends on you anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:39:01 2023 No.6855720 do the needful

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:49:01 2023 No.6855728 >>6855658 he's back again...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 15:54:22 2023 No.6855733 >>6855657 Ai isn`t a problem- Ai shitters are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 16:27:53 2023 No.6855787 >>6855658 Rent free

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:00:53 2023 No.6855862 >>6855657 I wonder if they'll ever develop a software capable of coherent in betweens. Making an animation all ai from zero to finish is much harder than just in betweens.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:02:16 2023 No.6855864 they should try to make in-between that have any kind of value first

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:13:53 2023 No.6855898
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>>6855657
>Want to be animator
>See generative AI
>Get depressed
>resign myself to the fact that this is the future of the industry.
>start to get excited about the possibilities
>Upgrade GPU and install Animatediff
>Learn about different models, prompt formatting, controlnets, LORAs
>Attempt character animation with my new skillset
>it fucking sucks

<spoiler>Jokes aside I'm actually glad to be picking up the skillset. This was one of my better attempts, however, the tech will get better. There seems to be a lot of interesting stuff happening in the crossover between the vfx/3dcg/AI spaces.</spoiler>

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:18:59 2023 No.6855907 >>6855898 We do not care lil nigga

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:20:54 2023 No.6855915 >>6855898 good failspoiler really cool when the indians who come here to larp as artists and board regulars dont even bother to learn out how 4chan works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:23:42 2023 No.6855924 >>6855915 [Spoiler]I was just joking brother. [/Spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:24:28 2023 No.6855925 File: 29 KB, 460x461, 1614356459269.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6855898 obvious

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:34:19 2023 No.6855948 >>6855898 >falseflagging naigger >ubernewfag every time

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:45:58 2023 No.6855963 >>6855658 Hahahahaja

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:46:28 2023 No.6855964 >>6855658 bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:52:40 2023 No.6855971 >>6855948 How come? Ai sir?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:02:39 2023 No.6855980 File: 59 KB, 800x600, sword.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6855898 obvious bait but i did this in 3 minutes to show you anyone can animate better than that

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:11:04 2023 No.6855992 >>6855980 This is exactly why AI is going to take over the entertainment industry. Every single "artist" has dunning kruger and thinks they did better than AI while everyone else looks at it like "motherfucker, that looks like a 3 year old drew that"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:14:56 2023 No.6855998 >>6855992 i drew that in 3 minutes retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:16:01 2023 No.6855999 >>6855998 AI drew it in less than 30 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:17:40 2023 No.6856000 >>6855980 Heh, pretty cool. I'm glad my shitpost was, at least, inspirationally bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:23:55 2023 No.6856009 File: 28 KB, 500x500, IMG_5351.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6855980 first time trying this, holy shit this got annoying fast

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:25:51 2023 No.6856015 File: 166 KB, 1080x1598, FmsVmB2XEBAcStJ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6855992 >AI roach >bringing up dunning kruger know your fucking place

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:26:21 2023 No.6856016 >>6855999 I'm responsible for the samurai flipper baby, so I can tell you for a fact It took a whole afternoon of genning different iterations get it to that stage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:28:27 2023 No.6856022 >>6856016 >Falseflagging Lmao that would work if I wasn't on discord with the guy who genned that right now

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:31:55 2023 No.6856026 >>6856022 shots or it didn't happen nigga

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:32:09 2023 No.6856027 >I SPENT 100000 YEARS DRAWING TO GET TO THIS POINT AND NOW AIFAGS CAN JUST HIT A BUTTON AND OUTPERFORM ME FUUUUUUUUUUUU- - the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:33:13 2023 No.6856028 >>6856026 >Just dox yourself bro No thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:35:23 2023 No.6856034 >>6856027 I mean true. no one spent that much just to be used as cattle by parasites, even if it just looks like schizophrenic soulless trash that no one would ever use in anything. you deserve your skull caved in

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:42:31 2023 No.6856042 >>6856015 is that xitter screencap real? kino beyond belief

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:46:49 2023 No.6856053 File: 142 KB, 1283x933, promptcuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856042

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:47:41 2023 No.6856057 File: 226 KB, 1204x851, Cap3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856022 >>6856028 ur a liar :3

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:51:22 2023 No.6856061 >>6856053 I only go on xitter to save art uploaded by artists to my reference hoard (i have a spreadsheet of direct links to the xitter/handle/media pages) so it's impressive to see the same style of AI shilling we see here on /ic/ out in the wild

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:55:51 2023 No.6856066 File: 99 KB, 683x682, Fa6Th12aIAI4f3V.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Drama/community vendetta, third option down

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:56:13 2023 No.6856068 >>6856061 what’s amazing about it, the shills are blatant tourists

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:01:14 2023 No.6856078
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>>6856061
oh you don't know half of it. I've started drawing few months ago because feeling like just a consumer meant I have more in common with these subhumans than with artists

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:03:15 2023 No.6856081 >>6856009 This looks awesome dude! You have massive potential

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:04:33 2023 No.6856084 >>6856078 4 seconds? More like 4 minutes 1280x720 with about 10 iterations, which still will look beyond trash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:05:46 2023 No.6856087 >>6856078 the amount of blithering cope this post radiates fills me with rage

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:06:45 2023 No.6856089 File: 76 KB, 500x500, prompt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] prompt clowns are going to be like DJs and electronic music producers, clowns within their own retarded audience

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:06:59 2023 No.6856090 >>6856087 the funny thing is, even the AI subreddits were shitting on him and asked him to stop because they give AIcucks a bad name

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:13:54 2023 No.6856098 File: 9 KB, 194x246, 1694691552095732.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856078 outpacing the last man is the greatest motivation there is—if you let him pass you what becomes of you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:23:33 2023 No.6856106 Bros... I don't feel so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF9xii7vYG8

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:28:32 2023 No.6856114 File: 721 KB, 903x806, 31.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >bros I don't feel so g-ACK

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:32:43 2023 No.6856117 >>6856114 >aislop is literally just video game loading screens wow such art very storytelling

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:33:13 2023 No.6856198 >>6855657 Literally no one is saying this. Stop the bait

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 20:46:10 2023 No.6856215 >come back >10 replies >not a single one worth anything >>6856198 you have people itt saying it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:51:36 2023 No.6856223 papa poo pepo paaa

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:23:51 2023 No.6856278 >>6856215 Now you might understand how we feel mate

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 21:27:27 2023 No.6856285 >>6856278 i go out of my way to adress everything. to a comical degree really. but sure, keep living in your headcanon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:29:34 2023 No.6856288 >>6856285 you too man

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 21:34:57 2023 No.6856296

>>6856288
i'm the one waiting for my answers.

i had to explicitly tell you that >>6855657 wasn't rotoscoped for you to even BEGIN to understand what i'm saying. this is how delusional you people are about AI.

as for the "learning" argument. nobody could answer my question since halfway through the last thread.
so as far as i'm concerned, i won :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:37:36 2023 No.6856297 File: 337 KB, 602x512, 1672186788769293.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fellow AI fartists, I think this magic 8 ball will finally cure our mundane unremarkable lives. we're finally worth something sisters!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:38:29 2023 No.6856300 >comes back >seethes >"I-I'm not mad, I-I won"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:39:09 2023 No.6856302 >>6856296 We're the ones waiting for you to actually post something you've created, but you refuse to post anything other than a white blob and a shitty blurred trace, as far as I and the rest of us are concerned you've yet to make a single point

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:39:23 2023 No.6856303 >>6855657 Cool it can make a Thomas Kinkade now.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:40:03 2023 No.6856304
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>>6856296
no one cares retard. you got utterly BTFOd by at least 3 people simultaneously in your previous threads to the point you broke down in tears like a cuck and were like
>d-d-do you really think that?! well I don't!!!
do you have a humiliation fetish or something?

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 21:52:39 2023 No.6856337

>>6856302
i did.
>b-b-but that's fake!
lol.
and it's irrelevant to the arguments in the first place.

>>6856304
if this is about the art discussion.. i told you from the very beginning. right from the get go: i don't care and this is a pointless discussion. it will just be my definition versus yours.
that has not changed once.

so i'm still waiting. a board full of people who think they care about art. and none of them can justify any of their arguments against AI. other than
crying about what is art or isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:55:09 2023 No.6856346 >>6856078 >transgender furry every time

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:57:50 2023 No.6856352 File: 96 KB, 720x223, this nigga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >6856337 You need to go back

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:58:15 2023 No.6856354 >>6856337 Yeah you sure did post a white blob and a badly traced image and it sure showed us the limits of your capabilities, very impressive

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:01:21 2023 No.6856361 File: 376 KB, 1080x1377, Transart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856346 Transgenderism and AI is the future. Be better! Trans rights are human right! I'm OP btw.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:03:56 2023 No.6856366

>>6856300
I have never seen people so desperate to be "better" then someone in my ten years in this shit hole. I'm not sure I can imagine how empty this namefag's life is that he needs a second day "trolling" /ic/.
btw /sdg/ thinks they are "owning" you with threads like this.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:07:19 2023 No.6856373

>>6855657
AI will never go away as long as inflation and arrogant artists who refuse to work for pennies anymore don't fuck off.
We are on the precipice of a change. Finally we can have well-read intellectual artists because they don't spend 30 years drawing furry butts & diapers that dumbs them down and keeps their time away from READING A GODDAMN BOOK. Artists are the most creatively bankrupt, immature, illiterate retards one can see. Not to mention arrogant, backstabbing and depressing. Musicians at least keep their depression to themselves and they know their fucking place in the world. They don't think they're hot shit. Vocalists on the other hand are an entirely different story.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 22:09:18 2023 No.6856380

>>6856366
where am i trolling? i'm just tired of other artists being against AI becaue of entirely idiotic reasons.
it does genuinely piss me off how poor your arguments are.

but then again i should probably take this discussion elsewhere. to a forum filled with actual artists maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:09:26 2023 No.6856381 >>6856361 >thinking that trad art isn't the result of science >resulting of science means better because idk OK this has to be fake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:12:21 2023 No.6856385 >>6856053 do they actually thing the image ai produces comes from their imagination? having a vision and bringing it to life is the entire reward of art.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:13:36 2023 No.6856387

>>6856366
They have to pretend they are controlling the narrative, otherwise they won't get paid.
>Israel fired native kikes and hired Kenya niggers for online propaganda to save more shekels.
>China fire 65k wumao in each province, reduce the number from 80k to 15k.
>Iran reduce the budget for AI propaganda after realized it's haram and full of pajeets

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:15:45 2023 No.6856392 >>6856304 >>6856366 I mean he doesn't know what learning, understanding, drawing, painting, animating or even art are.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:20:07 2023 No.6856401

>>6856380
>i'm just tired of other artists
AI art is bad because it changes the art landscape for the worse. I want to be inspired by(and one day inspire) my fellow human, marvel at human creation. If ai does it all, I will still want to see what humans are making instead, but it will be harder and harder to tell unless I saw them make it with my own eyes. It has put this shroud of doubt over genuine human works already.

Is this a stupid reason to be against ai?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:26:09 2023 No.6856413 >>6856380 please do leave it'd be the one positive thing you would be able to accomplish in your sad life

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:39:11 2023 No.6856448

>>6856385
the reward of creating ai art is typing in some shit and being surprised/pleased by how cool the visual it produced is. i don't think anyone seriously takes credit for what ai visualized, unless to troll shoddy artists (in their opinion), which they seem to hate with an uncontrollable passion.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:44:15 2023 No.6856463

>>6856448
>. i don't think anyone seriously takes credit for what ai visualized,
that guy itt does because he showed the ai what to draw via a drawing, so to him, he is the spark. but really it's more like he set up an equation and the computer solved it. whoopdydo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:45:25 2023 No.6856466 >>6856385 >do they actually thing the image ai produces comes from their imagination? That is what the technocrats tell them. They also tell them that chat bots are a care for loneliness. They're useful idiots for Silicon Valley. t. /g/

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:06:12 2023 No.6856506 >>6856380 /ic/ accepts your nodraw concession

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sat Sep 23 23:06:40 2023 No.6856508
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>>6856401
> but it will be harder and harder to tell unless I saw them make it with my own eyes
before i say anything else. can you tell me why you want to be able to "tell"?
i genuinely don't understand. why this obsession with the person behind the artwork? did you think like this before AI became a thing?

obviously there is an aspect of marveling at the effort it takes to make something. but that just seems like spectacle to me.

when i admire artwork, everything i ACTUALLY admire is within the artwork itself. gesture, composition, values, colors,
of course i ultimatively also admire what you said, and that part will be somewhat lessened, but the THEORY of why a piece works is within a piece itself.
and it's that theory that artists study and learn from ultimatively.

you can appreciate effort, but is that the same as appreciating what makes art good?
the way i see it, if you take away the effort part and the art suddenly turns to shit, then maybe it wasn't that good in the first place. maybe it was only impressive in the context of how limited a human is.

>>6856463
..if it's my sketch, how is it not literally my visualization?
also you missed the memo: i can't draw i'm just a techbro :)

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Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:32:29 2023 No.6856544

>>6856508
>obsession with the person behind the artwork
I wouldn't call it obsession.
>did you think like this before AI became a thing?
Before AI, I was a fan of artists, I wanted to know what made them tick, I wanted to read interviews, learn about where they came from etc. especially if the images were out of the ordinary. For example Beksinski, he grew up in Poland and was a child when Hitler invaded. surviving ww2 and then subsequently communism, shaped his work.
When I first saw an image of his. I didn't just think, 'great textures, that composition is on point, look at the colors, they are grey which means sad.' I see it and go 'woah, the guy who painted that must have seen some shit, I want to see more of his work'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:35:29 2023 No.6856547 File: 506 KB, 1024x1024, F6vHKTPaIAAfB8u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >machines can't be creati-

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:41:36 2023 No.6856554

>>6856508
nta, but someone who miraculously managed something so completely out of their reach by pure accident for obvious reasons wouldn't deserve the same credit as someone that achieved the same intentionally. ai art can be beautiful, but trying to claim credit as if it's a remarkable accomplishment of yours is silly. or do you actually think it made all the same creative choices filling in those gaps you would have if you could?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:43:46 2023 No.6856559 >"I admire all those things, most of which aren't present in AI generation"

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:04:32 2023 No.6856577

>>6856380
Everyone who gave you valid points last thread you just ignored those and focussed on creating strawmen of the people who where replying to you and pretending to own them. The examples you posted as "your own work" just give anti-AI people more reasons to not take you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:07:05 2023 No.6856579 File: 117 KB, 933x878, 1694518559599562.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >6856547 >frog posting is creative >will the next one be "creative" pic be a wojak anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:16:28 2023 No.6856584 >>6856579 S0VL

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 00:38:51 2023 No.6856606

>>6856577
you keep saying this,
and i keep telling you to point out where that happened.
but then again, you're probably either talking about pyw shit or other ad hominem shit that doesn't matter.
every person that actually tried to respond to my arguments i replied to. i went out of my way to do that.
everything else i either ignored or i insulted you back. if you were under the impression those were arguments at all, then no. that's not what i'm talking about when i say arguments/discussion.

pyw shit arent arguments to begin with from my viewpoint. just think about it from my perspective.
unless you really think you can argue with me whether i draw or not. as if some argument can convince me "oh i guess i never drew in the first place...".

>>6856554
you're right if crediting the artist is what you value.
but here again my question is why?
i'd rather focus on the art and what makes it work, if it does.

>>6856544
i cannot say i can relate to that last part.
i do understand looking into artists, but it's more for ideas about how they got as good as they did. i do not bother to think about their life experiences and shit. because whatever that is, it is not something i can actually learn. i can only learn what is on the canvas. and my own experiences will shape my own art, not theirs.

you might not call it an obsession but it is important enough for you to fundamentally reject AI and be a doomer about it.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:43:32 2023 No.6856612 >retarded thread about japanese McDonald ad has more replies than AI thread it's over.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:14:52 2023 No.6856644

>>6856606
You are pretending to be retarded, tranny?
> you're probably either talking about pyw shit or other ad hominem shit that doesn't matter.
The main points you never touched that mattered to me
> distinctions between how humans process information vs how computers process data
> Getting owned when you suggested that anyone would want to materialize in paper what they see in their heads instead of drawing
Also the whole thing of AI stealing art vs the "its learning thing" deffense boils down to semantics and dilluting the meaning of learning but and you never make the point of why we should consider it as suck.

>pyw shit arent arguments to begin with from my viewpoint
they are since you claimed repeatetly that you are confident enough in your own skills that you can use AI to enhance your own work without issue, so I dont get why is a problem to you to show us something that you made on your own, start to finish and then enhanced it with an AI centered pipeline.

Also You dont get to say your skill doesnt matter and claim you are better than your detractors anyway. You are delusional if you think you went there in good faith.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:17:32 2023 No.6856646 >>6855898 Wouldn't it just be easier to go into 3d animation than this garbage?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:19:52 2023 No.6856649 File: 117 KB, 1076x1076, FDRpKIWVgAEwmhd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >SIR, YOU WANT BIG TIDDY ANIME GIRL WITH 20 FINGERS? I'M YOUR MAN.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:20:18 2023 No.6856650 >>6856053 Participation trophies were a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:21:25 2023 No.6856651 >>6856078 He pretty much vanished btw

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:23:46 2023 No.6856652 >>6856114 The part that really irritates me the most was him giving it a French title in a dumb attempt to sound sophisticated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:24:33 2023 No.6856654 poop thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:25:06 2023 No.6856655 >>6856547 ve. Computer software can't imagine. you retards will be viewed as a laughing stock

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:27:16 2023 No.6856658

>>6856606
>my question is why

did i say i value crediting the artist over art and what makes it work? my argument was about the comparative credit a person can reasonably claim for some creation based on the level of intentionality. but if you're asking why i generally care about credit to the artist it's because i value personal accomplishment and to extend that human achievement, and i'd rather live in a society that properly recognizes those for all their worth, and rewards them accordingly, than whatever the alternative is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:27:26 2023 No.6856659 File: 23 KB, 735x310, 0c5b30ffdc28af15fd851d14b9ab45c1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856652 They call it le AIslop with cheese.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:31:05 2023 No.6856663

>>6856649
brainlet meme
AI image generation is expensive af, and open source alternatives are ironically the most expensive ones
this is a rare window of opportunity where only 1st worlders can profit, before the hardware becomes accessible to everyone else. think about digital art in the 90s
in like a decade, 99% AI art will legit come from streetshitters

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:31:38 2023 No.6856664 >>6856608 sorry sweaty you can't pass

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:33:55 2023 No.6856669 File: 144 KB, 700x893, bootleg-avengers-characters-obvious-plant-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856663 Good luck with those profits. You might aswell be a third worlder trying to sell bootleg shit at a swap meet.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:34:18 2023 No.6856670

>>6856606
You can learn from the artists’ life experiences, because they affect their art. Their art affects you, because you are influenced by it. Their life experiences affect your art indirectly. It's all part of being a human artist, we don't create in isolation, our horizons are broadened when we look beyond the canvas. Looking at a picture for why it is, as well as what it is, can help you grow as an artist and as a person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:37:17 2023 No.6856673 >>6856669 pretty sure those are ironic bootlegs sold at disney marvel fanboi redditors. they probably made cash

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:38:46 2023 No.6856674 >>6856673 You're right, they're flying to the Bahamas as we speak with their bucket of pennies.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:53:12 2023 No.6856681
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>>6855657
used to think AI art was just a fad, until realized it actually creates CP
shit's gonna be the end human civilization and society as we know it. you can be in denial for as long as you want, but it's only a matter of time

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:53:23 2023 No.6856682 File: 4 KB, 170x113, Crying AIndian.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >SIRS, THEY CALL MY AI ART THE AISLERP, I'M DONE FOR! I DID PUTTING MY LIFE SAVINGS ON THIS 1050ti FOR THIS, BLOODY CHODA!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:58:29 2023 No.6856686 >>6856663 >>6856682 were pajeets the real luddites all the time?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 02:01:42 2023 No.6856690 >>6856681 kys, pedo scum

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 02:12:23 2023 No.6856698 >>6856681 AICP will probably be artists' saviors. If courts deem AICP to be illegal because it is based on real images of children, then that would be tacit admission that AI illustrations cannot be deemed distinct from their input artwork.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:09:33 2023 No.6856724 >>6856078 Based unpopular opinion >but the machines If you aren't adapting to how the current world is evolving, you're fucking up. Your $60 commissions can only take you so far.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:20:51 2023 No.6856736 >>6856078 >shits on artists >feels entitled to be in their circles Why are they like this?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:34:29 2023 No.6856777
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>>6856724
he is a retarded parasite who tries to be the people who he hates out of envy. imagine if you will a parasite who calls its host useless. truly you AIcucks are beyond contempt

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:36:19 2023 No.6856779
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>>6856724
>uuuh, actually you shouldn't adapt by fighting off the swarms of silicon valley monkeys robbing your shit. you should adapt by uuuh, dealing with it. yeah, deal with it...addapt or ...*farts* ...die *sharts*

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:47:47 2023 No.6856783

>>6856736
Because they've got nothing to lose. Artists can shame them as much as they want, but there's no stopping some faggot from calling you "worthless" then using your works as "training" data to generate slop. They have the mindset of a tracefag, only their endeavor requires even less skill and generates more results.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:48:32 2023 No.6856784

>>6856779
I work in tech and even we have to deal with this shit. You're an idiot if you think this is going away. Yes, adapt. Go subscription based. Sell your art as merch. Show up at art galleries or cons. Be a content creator or some shit. Do animations. All things the AI can't do or is shit at doing.
>Waah I can't adapt
Hope you're good at at swimming.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:56:19 2023 No.6856791

>>6856724
>Your $60 commissions can only take you so far.
Same as it ever was. Only NEETs could live off that shit.
AI didn't change anything, just clarify what makes a successful artist (someone who has their own successful IP/Patreon, etc. and doesn't survive off of likes and fanart).

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:59:21 2023 No.6856793

>>6856791
>only NEETs
I think you mean thirdworlders.
>successful Patreon
>doesn't survive off of likes and fanart
Wut. Tons of successful Patreons are rooted in fanart, and you're only going to get a successful Patreon if you're successful on social media.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:13:23 2023 No.6856800
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>>6856784
>adapt or die
>just be able to learn or do everything yourself or be able to network well
>have your own niche
>be "social" and interactive online
so nothing changed basically from the beginning when it comes to making it then

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:17:43 2023 No.6856802

>>6856784
yeah yeah, yap some more you fucking retard. got out of CS uni, worked as a QA tester for two years planning to become a software engineer. quit it because retards like you are inhuman bots who make me retch. now I work in finance. there's no "adapting" for me, I will simply not post my shit online because the internet at large was ruined by swarms of retards like you. eat shit and die roach, you've really got no worthwhile advice that you can bark at me

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:24:38 2023 No.6856806 >>6856802 >I work in finance This obviously didn't apply to you, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:26:35 2023 No.6856808 File: 282 KB, 1571x2048, 1691964023340527.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856089

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:29:13 2023 No.6856811 >>6855657 If you can't replicate the generated shit with other medium. Digital or traditional. You can go fuck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:31:41 2023 No.6856816 >>6856806 it applies to everyone cunt. even those who do it as a hobby should not take your shit and sell it to others. I'd unironically support a dictator who turned these bugmen into free kills

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:33:33 2023 No.6856817 >>6856806 it applies to everyone cunt. even to those who do it as a hobby. these insectoids should not take your shit and sell it to others or to myself. I'd unironically support a dictator who turned these bugmen into outlaws that anyone can hunt down

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:16:34 2023 No.6856850 File: 7 KB, 225x225, AiShill.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856784 >I work in tech SIR, YOU GIVE ME ONE APPLE ITUNES GIFTING CARD!

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:33:23 2023 No.6856903
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>>6856304
AIchatbotschizo is so butthurt and assblasted he got btfo so many times he still hasn't given up and is megacoping hard to try to "win" any arguments..

And you guys say AI cannot feel like a human.
Who got the prime example of a seething chatbot right on this board
pic related was what brought it over the edge

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:38:11 2023 No.6856907 >>6856385 It literally does though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:42:40 2023 No.6856912 >>6856811 You sound like them boomers making fun of kids that can't use a rotary phone, get with the times retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:59:55 2023 No.6856924 File: 341 KB, 1080x1360, 2dads1childAIart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] AI art is trans art period!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:02:58 2023 No.6856925 >>6856912 You sound like an inbred. Kek. If you can replicate it then you have no business being anywhere near art related things. Go find a day job and stick with it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:04:56 2023 No.6856926
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>>6855658
Based AI arguing god. This man never stops and he always wins.

>>6856009
>>6855980
Janky as the AI is it still did that faster than you, and 'technically' it's higher quality having more frames and being a """finished""" image. And AI will improve while you won't.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:05:03 2023 No.6856927
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>>6856924
>have normal family portrayed
>trannies start seething because it doesn't pander to their sexual fetishes and mental illness
Since when can two men conceive a child?
Is one man anally sodomizing another man how trannies are born?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:09:08 2023 No.6856931 File: 202 KB, 589x767, 1669803040859927.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856808

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:15:53 2023 No.6856936 >>6856931 he..payed another artist to... make the art? then 3 years later revealed it as his own? I know what you intended but only from context of the other one. does not do much but tell us you are ass blasted.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:16:55 2023 No.6856940 >>6856936 I posted a funny meme that happens all the time. You posted an unfunny meme that never happens and doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:23:24 2023 No.6856948 >>6856925 >If you can't ride a charriot then you have no business driving a car. okay boomer

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:25:01 2023 No.6856949

>>6856940
in that anons comic, the person ordering the meal presents it as his own work, like AIfags do every seconds of every day.

in your meme, the artist ordered, then three years later took the Macca bag home, then that artist is presenting the burger made by Macca. makes no sense. do better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:26:16 2023 No.6856950 >>6856949 "Ordering" doesn't make sense in this context. The AIchad is creating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:27:21 2023 No.6856952 >>6856949 And you order a commission(burger) and get it 3 years later. You're dumb bringing up "macca", retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:30:26 2023 No.6856953 >>6856950 >>6856952 try being less retarded and make a better comic than the human artist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:30:50 2023 No.6856956 >>6856953 a human artist made both of those comics but only one of them is funny and makes sense

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:34:30 2023 No.6856962 >>6856956 No, the second was made by a pajeet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:34:54 2023 No.6856964 >>6856962 schizo retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:36:11 2023 No.6856967 >>6856964 Prove it's not made by a pajeet. When I'm right, I'm right.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:39:30 2023 No.6856972 >>6856927 Imagine being a hateful human being and proud of it. I pity you for the parenting you got.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:43:27 2023 No.6856980 File: 1.07 MB, 1262x1596, WOW LOLMAOE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856972 >imagine you have a machine doing it for you pls dont talk to me

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:45:07 2023 No.6856982 >>6856980 The joke is that he's talking to himself all the time

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:46:14 2023 No.6856985 >>6856927 >Is one man anally sodomizing another man how trannies are born? generally yes, unironically

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:08:43 2023 No.6857006 File: 73 KB, 467x662, 1679294183196.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >The dog would be fixed in 2 more weeks they said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:48:54 2023 No.6857026 >>6856912 >always using the same retarded strawman argument And you are like the schizophrenic outside the 7-11 yelling at a bicycle

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:27:18 2023 No.6857055 >>6857026 >strawman But it's true, so what's your point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 11:37:21 2023 No.6857120 File: 57 KB, 817x824, standard AI sociopathy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856078

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:05:48 2023 No.6857143 >>6856808 Subway would be a way better metaphor is this dude retarded?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:15:05 2023 No.6857158

>>6857120
>>6856078
It's unreal how these creatures are more about trying to scam artists and people than actually trying to create art.

I think being more openly anti-trans and anti-loli or generally anti porn is going to do the trick.
And no, trannies are not against loli. That's always the response i get but it's always the usual tranny gaslighting.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 13:51:30 2023 No.6857235

>>6856644
> distinctions between how humans process information vs how computers process data
i'm pretty sure i went over this again and again. from many different angles even. but you don't read.
but to answer this directly since you just don't seem to get it: they are NOT the same and they don't have to be for it to be considered learning. but they are similar.
a rat or a cat doesn't process information in the same way as us. but they can still learn things.
and remember that this is the ONLY core argument i am making: that AI training is "learning".

and i again challenge any of you to find a better word to describe it along with your justification for why that word fits better than learning.

i know this is pointless because pretty much none of you even understand AI enough to say anything other than "it's an algorithm, bro". but do try.

i did explain how training works multiple times in the past, but i won't do it again here. look it up yourself for once.

> Getting owned when you suggested that anyone would want to materialize in paper what they see in their heads instead of drawing
do you wouldn't want to just control your drawings with your mind? this is only a hypothetical. using a real world example: if you find that the proportions in your drawings are slightly off, you'd rather erase and redo it rather than using the transform tool (something people use all the time for quick fixes), or going further, doing it directly with your mind?
remind me again how i was being owned? by what exactly? this again shows how different your mindset is from mine. i can barely even remember what was argued about here or why. i don't think it matters in the end.

1/2

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 13:52:31 2023 No.6857238

>>6856644
>Also You dont get to say your skill doesnt matter and claim you are better than your detractors anyway. You are delusional if you think you went there in good faith.
if i say that in response to you claiming that i don't draw, then i am just defending myself. and it always you people that start with this shit.
this is not an argument in the first place. this is just your claim versus mine. i already met you halfway with proof, but you refuse to believe it. so what else is there to do?

i'd even say that you're claiming this in bad faith at this point. just to coax more out of me.
do you REALLY believe i faked those images? that those aren't real sketches? if you do, i really can't help you. just don't reply to me again, because it's a waste of time.

>so I dont get why is a problem to you to show us something that you made on your own, start to finish and then enhanced it with an AI centered pipeline.
i already did. but those are just some of my short experiments.
even i haven't bothered making anything more extensive. partly also because my goal isn't illustration.

btw this also feels like a bad faith argument to me. take the VN example: do i have to SHOW you that you can draw an image and let the AI generate a background on a completely separate layer without touching my art? shouldn't it be pretty obvious that this would work???

2/2

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 14:25:45 2023 No.6857271

>>6856670
that sounds nice and all, but i just don't think that is true. at least for me.
when i look at john singer sargent, i see his technique, his decisionmaking. i don't see his "life experience". everything that i can admire, that affects me is on the canvas itself.
the people that are INSPIRED by him are not inspired by his "life experiences" they are inspired by far more tangible things like how he uses colors, values, etc. things that you can actually learn from.

you are not wrong in saying what you're saying. but i just think it's a rather esoteric viewpoint. because our life experiences determines everything, even down to how we act in general, not just how we make art.

>>6856658
>did i say i value crediting the artist over art and what makes it work?
kinda? and you pretty much just said so again, even more strongly. despite what AI can create, you find it more notable that it allows people to cheat the credit/accomplishment system.

in fact this situation reminds me a bit of the calculator. it's like saying that because the calculator exists, nobody will ever do manual math ever again. and mathematics will die.
because you put the emphasis on the people that can do what the calculator can do. and the people that can't do math and would be "cheating" by using the calculator.

you focus on that instead of math itself.
in reality the calculator helps everyone get access to math. and it allowed for more complicated maths for the people who do care about advanced maths. even top tier mathematicians use computers for various things nowadays. and math never died.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 14:29:29 2023 No.6857274 >>6857271 (the caluclator also never replaced manual maths)

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:48:08 2023 No.6857283 >>6857235 >>6857238 >>6857271 Incredible how correct you are. Thank you for your thorough explanation, this answers any doubts i had. I don't think anyone needs to have it explained anymore. Your job is done. Well done.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:11:52 2023 No.6857302 damn he still larps as an artist

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:29:19 2023 No.6857324 I like AI art except for that weird realistic anime art style that so many AI artists use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:51:48 2023 No.6857358 File: 144 KB, 962x830, cat AI.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856950 >"Ordering" doesn't make sense in this context. The AIchad is creating. lol

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:01:31 2023 No.6857375
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>>6857235
so much effort, all to back up a worthless analogy again
>i know this is pointless because pretty much none of you even understand AI
artists who are invested into this subject understand AI more than AIcucks themselves who are only concerned with the marketing scams behind it and thinking that the AI will reach a critical mass after scraping enough data, and will start loving you back
>and remember that this is the ONLY core argument i am making: that AI training is "learning"
you are arguing semantics like a fool, while not understanding the neuroscience of the human brain either, yet are are super confident of your own farts that you enjoy smelling. peak dunning kruger brain. you truly are a worthless retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:07:34 2023 No.6857381 >>6857143 how?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:22:02 2023 No.6857395 >>6856926 Retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:28:45 2023 No.6857397 >>6857375 the answer will be "n-no u!"

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:49:16 2023 No.6857415

>>6857375
It's not semantics, the fact it's learning is where the beauty of it lies. Consider a neural network trained on handwritten digits like the familiar MNIST dataset, it doesn't just memorize digits—it generalizes its understanding. Once trained, it can accurately predict the digit in a new, unseen handwritten image. This capacity to extend its knowledge and perform effectively on unseen data mirrors the essence of learning—acquiring knowledge, adapting, and applying that knowledge to new situations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:02:15 2023 No.6857429 >>6857055 My point is you're a retard and you should go back.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:13:16 2023 No.6857442 >"I'm not arguing semantics" >argues semantics

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:18:28 2023 No.6857447 >>6857429 I don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:35:47 2023 No.6857463 Why can't artists just draw faster? Are they stupid?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:38:51 2023 No.6857469 >>6857463 /thread

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:57:49 2023 No.6857566

>>6857415
horseshit and half truths as always. same logic that can be applied to CPUs but you won't. it's just history repeating itself with delusional morons who thought that CPUs are also like very specialized human brains. all you have is worthless analogies and heuristics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:01:57 2023 No.6857575 >>6857566 CPUs execute instructions based on pre-programmed algorithms and data brother, what are you even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:42:45 2023 No.6857626 >>6857575 so just like a human brain then? why do you think human infants innately shield their faces with their hands to protect themselves?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:56:07 2023 No.6857641
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>>6857415
it's not "learning" in the same sense a human does, therefore it doesn't get the same benefits as a human. it's as simple as that. you move the goalposts and engage in circular logic around this concept to exempt yourself from the accusation of plagiarism through computer software. it doesn't learn like a human and it's not conscious, but it still "learns", therefore it's exempt from being treated as a tool of plagiarism. it's all very carefully arranged mental gymnastics and too convenient for you. you're not fooling anyone :)

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 19:57:05 2023 No.6857643 >>6857375 ah yes, you understand it so well. it's just a scam. everyone is lying to you about how it works and you know everything. ok. anyone else have something more intelligent to contribute?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:59:43 2023 No.6857645 >>6857643 it's not in of itself a scam, but language/image models are tools that will used for scamming and devaluing human culture while contributing with nothing worthwhile other than abstract memes. no amount of horse vs car analogies will help

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Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:24:05 2023 No.6857671

>>6857643
By how much it is being shilled as the coming of technochrist by you alone, anyone with a sane amount of critical thinking skills and life experience would assume its all a scam, even how the tech works.

Why do you constantly and always default to petty comebacks and ad hominem when you got no reasonable arguments and then complain that no one respects you?

Just unplug yourself, chatbot.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 20:24:32 2023 No.6857673

>>6857415
they are literally incapable of understanding it beyond
>it's a computer bro
>it's an algorithm bro
and that's normal, because they simply don't know how it works.

the problems is, when i do explain it, they refuse to learn. they will say
>"it doesn't matter what happens inside the AI". it's stealing and copying!

and when i REALLY simplify it (for their sake), they will actually start laughing because this apparently sounds like magic to them. as if i'm telling a joke. even though i'm just explaining how it works in a factual sense.
this is the state of the discourse.

>>6857645
it already contributed in research. the highest iq human on the planet even says it will eventually be able to co-author papers with researchers.

but nah you're totally right. people make AI so it can contribute "abstract memes" to humanity. and of course scams.

>>6857641
that's a nice narrative you laid out in your head. but this cannot even be called a real argument. you're just saying what you believe. without any basis.

let me sum it up for you: we are saying that if it is learning, it cannot be stealing.
you're apparently saying that it is learning but it's still stealing anyway.
now mind explaining how that actually works?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:41:18 2023 No.6857692 >replying to yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:44:08 2023 No.6857694 >the data pilfered to train it wasn't stolen bro >it's on the internet so it's free use bro >totally not stolen, it's totally fair use bro >it's totally transformative bro >you just don't understand how it works bro

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 20:44:52 2023 No.6857695

>>6857671
in this thread in particular i've been trying to reign in my insults so i can try to get through some of my points. despite being attacked with ad hominems left and right. because you can't help yourselves. and i'd be lucky if you can actually follow the argument, much less engage with it.
even when i insult you, i always also make my arguments. i wish you idiots were capable of the same :)

and allow me a little outburst. just to settle things straight: you have no critical thinking skills. you are a complete waste of time.
you cannot imagine how frustrating it is for me to try to teach anything to you empty brain no-skill retards.

now, back to the topic:
>anyone with a sane amount of critical thinking skills and life experience would assume its all a scam, even how the tech works.
>even how the tech works.
ah yes, so like i said: you think it's a scam. what's the problem with what i said then?
i thought how it worked was public knowledge. and people are even building on top of that knowledge. but it's actually a scam i guess.
it doesn't work how everyone think it works.

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None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 20:53:50 2023 No.6857704

>>6857694
>the data pilfered to train it wasn't stolen bro
ah yes, jpegs from the internet, stolen

>it's on the internet so it's free use bro
ah yes. it is free. until they do something with it that makes something too powerful. then it's suddenly theft.

>totally not stolen, it's totally fair use bro
>it's totally transformative bro
ah yes, it's not like the data was turned into a vectorspace of ideas and concepts inside a neutal net.
it's not like it makes completely new images that are distinct from the training data.

>you just don't understand how it works bro
right, i totally don't understand how it works, bro. i should have asked you, who understands it, to explain it to me.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:55:17 2023 No.6857705

>>6857271
>the people that are INSPIRED by him are not inspired by his "life experiences"

think of Orientalism for example, artists shared their experiences in the middle east through artwork, Sargent saw that and wanted it directly for himself, the beauty in the artwork, how things were depicted, created an allure that photos alone wouldn't. I'd wager many here want to visit japan for similar reasons, wanting to be closer to the source of inspiration that their favorite artists grew up with. If they only looked at the pictures as pictures and ignored the artist entirely, that connection is lost. As an artist, looking at and appreciating art is not only about learning technical skills.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:57:56 2023 No.6857710 Stop replying to the nodraw shill, ffs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:58:24 2023 No.6857711 >>6857626 Just because the human brain is capable of instinctive behaviors doesn't mean it's incapable of learned behaviors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:01:36 2023 No.6857718 >>6857641 There's never been any plagiarism demonstrated so I really don't see your point.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:04:58 2023 No.6857726

>you don't get it bro
>the original jpeg still exist
>yes I'm using it but it doesn't count
>it's free to use
>what do you mean it doesn't pass any of the fair use criteria? you're just a luddite bro
>you don't get it, I'm taking this dirty money and financing the local economy and then get new clean money
>you don't get it bro it gets concept bro
>but you have to tell it everything
>it totally has context beyond the one of pixels given weight
>you don't get it it learns!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:05:41 2023 No.6857728 File: 260 KB, 1112x2048, Fgz2JqXWQAA57Xy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857718

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:06:26 2023 No.6857729 >>6857728 "i-it's just overfitting!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:15:43 2023 No.6857737 >>6857729 >It's "over fitting" so it's not plagiarism. I'm not a crook!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:19:39 2023 No.6857740 >>6855657 trip schizo still foaming at the mouth lmao

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:21:48 2023 No.6857745

>>6857704
Ah yes. The resident who gives two shits about people having and honing skills and tries so hard to separate skill from art that it ends up looking like cope that he didn't or more like doesn't want to make it.

Why do you keep coming back, anon? Why are you so hellbent on pushing this AI agenda on this board?
>It's artwork. I want critique.
/g/ is going to critique your artwork better than anyone here. Again. Why are you here to falseflag and shitfling? Is this how you pass your time? You've been at it for literal months bro. AI has improved. Anons have improved. You haven't changed a bit but keep telling everyone how AI works.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:34:37 2023 No.6857767

>soon EU law will mean all generated AI trash will have to be marked as such, or break EU law
>"I'm not in the EU, what does this do for me?"
>it means that every website that operates in the EU will now demand that users tag their outputs as AI, or else the website will be breaking EU law (which can bag them very hefty fines)
>websites will likely make it a world-wide feature when the law rolls out

I would have gone further but this will curb a lot of shitters passing their outputs as art.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:38:20 2023 No.6857769 >>6857767 Literally doesn't matter. Nobody is going to hunt down millions of people over a couple jpegs. Maybe won't work for big AAA corpos but for the average shitter it's a nothingburger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:38:53 2023 No.6857770 >>6857728 Oh sorry I meant in the training process not in the output, obviously it can generate outputs that would be considered plagiarism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:39:43 2023 No.6857771 >>6857769 Nobody is going to sue individual shitters, no, but they will issue bans for not correctly tagging AI outputs, which will demotivate, over time, anyone who isn't a total schizo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:41:37 2023 No.6857774 >>6857767 If you knew how many unenforceable and ineffective laws the eu bureaucrats have come up with you'd probably not be surprised.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:43:31 2023 No.6857778
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>>6857769
>Nobody is going to hunt down millions of people over a couple jpegs.

>passing ai art as real art is illegal
>companies will be fined if they let this happen
>"guess we just need to disallow ai generic images to ever being uploaded"
>"we can't keep up EU pls halp"
>"Very vell, ve vill put up ze internet lizenz"
And there you go.
You screwed us all.
Now i won't be able to watch futanari amazonian rape porn without Ursula knowing about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:44:25 2023 No.6857780 >>6857774 Laws on the size of bananas are one thing, laws on artificial intelligence are a big deal and will absolutely play a role in how websites treat their traffic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:46:29 2023 No.6857784 >>6857780 We'll need effective laws to minimize harm caused by AI no doubt, I just don't think this is it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:51:39 2023 No.6857789

>>6857771
Way too much work, and that's not even counting appeals you'll be inevitably getting. You vastly underestimate how many pics are being processed. Youtube can't keep up with their flood and they have to use automatic detection systems that break all the time. Now multiply content youtube has by 100 and you'll get the situation for pictures. Nobody is capable of enforcing it without also implementing such systems that will mislabel constantly and you'll have to deal with appeals 24/7. Nevertheless, those 100,000 bans will still be just a drop in the sea, unfortunately.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:53:21 2023 No.6857792

>>6857784
I absolutely think it is, at least for artists. Why do you think AI shitters screech so much when you reveal them as being AI shitters?
The normies lose interest if they know it's AI outputs, traffic dies, shitter loses motivation and stops. Of course, you'll always have schizos continuing the posting, but there's always outliers.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:56:54 2023 No.6857797

>>6857789
Websites already keep up with banning people for 100s of different of issues, even Elon's Xitter. Accounts get banned by the thousands daily and the banhammer will reach AI shitters too.
>appeals
Nobody ever gets approved for appeals already, nigga.
Have some trust in corporations wanting to avoid losing money, m'kay? Profit is their first and foremost priority.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:09:14 2023 No.6857810 >>6857792 But how do you enforce it? That's what I mean when I say it'll be ineffective and maybe even counter-productive.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:09:19 2023 No.6857811

>>6857797
You are going to need one heck of a quantum computer array to detect ai on everything that's being posted. Corpos favor AI, anon. They'll do everything to incorporate it and cut some expenses in the long run. Trusting what often comes out as volatile greed is the very last thing you should be doing kek.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:16:23 2023 No.6857818 >>6857673 I'm not saying it's learning. I was paraphrasing your bullshit cope logic and laying it bare. "learning" in this context is a misnomer

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:16:47 2023 No.6857819

>>6857811
>Corpos favor AI, anon
Strange, how come they're not using it because they're scared they're going to get sued for copyright infringement?
Didn't Wgreedy of the coast refuse artists that used AI in their works?
Damn, why would corporations that are all about profits, simply refuse the instant art machine?
The dilemma of this century i tell you hwat
>Trusting what often comes out as volatile greed is the very last thing you should be doing
collector booster packs? loot boxes? horse armor dlc? cash shops?
hmmmmm anon i guess you're right

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:17:29 2023 No.6857822 >>6857711 it doesn't matter bro, it's thinking just like a human :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:18:27 2023 No.6857823 >>6857810 I already said how it will be enforced in the first post, man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:18:28 2023 No.6857824 >>6857819 hmmm i think game developers should be charged any time their game gets downloaded

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:21:45 2023 No.6857829 >>6857811 Companies love getting sued over copyright infringement and brought to court where they will lose 100% and be forced to pay fines in the millions, right?

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Sun Sep 24 22:23:29 2023 No.6857835
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>>6857745
>Why do you keep coming back, anon? Why are you so hellbent on pushing this AI agenda on this board?
i've said it over and over again and you refuse to read or learn. you only believe what what you make up inside your own head.
it's because just about everything you say about AI is wrong and delusional.

actually, this is a perfect example of it >>6857726
just about everthing in this anons understanding of AI is completely wrong.

>It's artwork. I want critique.
l m a o.....
i don't even care about critique with my real art, not from here. especially now.
fun fact, i used to make redlines for others around here. a long long time ago.

>>6857737
>>6857729
>>6857728
then show me how it's not overfitting.
again, you work off cope and pure delusion.

explain why it doesn't happen every time.
or very simply. just explain to me how it is stealing in the first place when it makes completely different images.
or explain to me WHAT it is stealing, considering it makes completely different images.

>>6857818
okay. then explain how it is not learning.
explain what it is doing instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:29:58 2023 No.6857841 File: 2.27 MB, 3425x1732, 1685203853125860.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857835 >okay. then explain how it is not learning. explain what it is doing instead. I guess we'll have to make a new word for it :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:32:12 2023 No.6857843 >gets critique >nah bro ur just a luddite and delusional you just dont get it i used to redlines long ago ur coping Can you tell the ai to try and remember work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:32:58 2023 No.6857844 >>6857823 You'd need to elaborate, like what kind of evidence would be required to demonstrate something is AI generated?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:33:28 2023 No.6857845 >>6857843 bro you don't get it, it saves the work in its dataset and then it diffuses it because it's in the name

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:34:47 2023 No.6857846 >>6857835 >then show me how it's not overfitting. not? it is. just because you have a new word for when AI rips people off directly doesn't make it not plagiarism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:35:31 2023 No.6857849 >>6857845 Yeah, but HOW DOES IT know to look for what it is supposed to do? Surely it won't have a system in which certain types of noise is linked to certain type of words or else how would it even be able to operate in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:36:33 2023 No.6857850 >>6857849 god you are so ignorant you don't know how it works you buffoon you clown you are so delusional

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:36:46 2023 No.6857851 >>6857844 I'm not going to put my ideas for how it could be done out here just so you can scrutinize and shit on them. You have nothing on the line and you put forward no argument, so it's pointless for me to engage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:39:31 2023 No.6857852 >>6857850 dropped your trip, eh?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:40:01 2023 No.6857853

>>6857835
>I said it over and over again and you refuse to read or learn
So what? You really wanna be the special snowflake? The prophet that brings knowledge to plebians? You are unironically wasting your time my brother. Did other boards call you names? Is that why you've resorted to coming here on your holy mission to "spread knowledge"? If so, you're pretty shit at it ngl anon. I see zero change from where your name first appeared here ages ago. But who knows maybe someday when we decide to listen to your gospel and when it all comes crashing down on us. The horrors.
>I don't even care about critique for my real art
>especially now
kek actually shitposting

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:41:48 2023 No.6857854 >>6857851 Fair enough. I don't see it, but that's not to say it's impossible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:42:02 2023 No.6857855 >>6857853 >I don't even care about critique for my real art he'd need some to begin with

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:42:03 2023 No.6857856

>>6857850
ok are you going to explain it to me in simple terms and graphs a tech illiterate dumb dumb luddite delusional buffoon can understand?
How is it even able to operate if it doesn't attach information to images in its data set and how does it generate images if it doesn't save images?
Maybe it just saves the images in different layers as to avoid getting btfo by copyright laws, because a computer program running on computer parts (sorry me dumb tech illiterate) surely has to have memory somewhere, ya?
I dont understand no machina

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:42:46 2023 No.6857857

>>6857835
>fun fact, i used to make redlines for others around here. a long long time ago.
thank you for your redlines. What do you do now? and why are you resisting just showing plainly that you still draw/can draw well? just post the last thing you drew, you might get some crabs but so what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:43:25 2023 No.6857859 File: 332 KB, 433x577, 1757759485.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857857 Okay here you go, rate my art.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:43:48 2023 No.6857860 File: 2.31 MB, 2047x1025, picture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Photobashing v2

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:45:07 2023 No.6857861 >>6857860 I don't get it, they appear to be sitting in a vaguely similar pose but that's about it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:45:23 2023 No.6857862

>>6857856
he won't, because he will gaslight you that breaking down pixel locations into statistical data is learning because some tags are attributed to the picture and try to convince you it understand what it does. nvm that language systems which are arguably simpler fuck up context and have to be told all the answer that are wrong instead of being able to deduce them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:46:30 2023 No.6857863 >>6857859 I asked !ducTpJGSm6d

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:47:31 2023 No.6857866 >>6857861 >that's about it. ooh boy. shame I didn't keep the face fade comparison gif...

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:47:47 2023 No.6857868

>>6857856
Sure! The magic box learns by looking at lots of pictures and figuring out how things generally look, like colors and shapes. Then, it uses that learning to create new pictures without having any pictures saved inside. It's like learning to draw things by practicing a lot!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:48:39 2023 No.6857871 >>6857866 *plus it's the other sad keanu image that has the pose even closer, including the silhouette of the bench in the negative space of his arm/thigh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:49:01 2023 No.6857872 File: 21 KB, 310x257, 165463546564565.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857862 Shoulda known not to trust them Darn AI bhed and their blasted machina >>6857868 Eh i dont believe that magic mumbo jumbo machina crap praise Yoomis

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:50:25 2023 No.6857875 >>6857868 gonna be devil's advocate but technically it doesn't store the images, only the broken down statistical data associated with them and countless others

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:51:40 2023 No.6857878 >>6857875 Well yeah, that's what I said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:55:36 2023 No.6857883 >>6857875 if you only trained on one image, it would only return that one image. by laundering more data, you can get away with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:56:20 2023 No.6857884 >>6857883 No, it would return an image containing the patterns in that one image.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:56:30 2023 No.6857885 >>6857835 I'm indifferent about the whole AI matter, but I quite like your redline. pyw please?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:57:15 2023 No.6857886 >>6857884 I seen it happen with my own eyes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:59:45 2023 No.6857892 >>6857886 Not everything you see is at it seems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:03:19 2023 No.6857896 >>6857884 So it would just warp the image?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:05:52 2023 No.6857900

I'm of the opinion that the discussion of Stable Diffusion Models is a discussion of technology. The user who inputs command prompts into such systems cannot be considered an artist and the output of such systems cannot be considered art due to the nature of how such systems function (parsing and replicating statistical data and outputting amalgamated images at random).

Perhaps the biggest problem with these threads is the fact that they are able to attract so much attention and that users on this board insist on replying to them en masse. I would consider this behavior to be in the same vein as "feeding a troll". Is it really that hard to ignore something that is off-topic and inflammatory, and laterally just draw?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:07:33 2023 No.6857903 File: 1.31 MB, 1604x905, Screenshot 2023-09-25 120652.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857892 how does overfitting work then? if all your images in the training data are the same image, you get the same image back.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:07:57 2023 No.6857904 Why this thread is still on, fuckin janies do your job.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:09:33 2023 No.6857907 >>6857900 >Is it really that hard to ignore something that is off-topic and inflammatory, and laterally just draw? I like drawing, but what really gets my juices flowing is disagreements. gonna go make some juice flow now brb

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:10:08 2023 No.6857908

>>6857900
Ignoring doesn't work because the tripfag starts appearing in other threads and
he samefags and fills threads by himself
When you tell him to fuck off he just keeps going

Mods don't seem to give a shit or this guy ban evades
or no one reports him because most anons in these threads are in on the troll

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:14:51 2023 No.6857914

>>6857235
>do you wouldn't want to just control your drawings with your mind?
No? I like the artistic process. And even if I did, your analogy doesnt work because I would still need to use my own creativity/tastes/experiences/feelings to come out with something, in other words, I'm in total control.

> if you find that the proportions in your drawings are slightly off, you'd rather erase and redo it rather than using the transform tool (something people use all the time for quick fixes), or going further, doing it directly with your mind?
You ommited the part where the transform tools dont make the transformations on their own. You keep saying this, no, AI is not just the logical step to current art tools and your "counterpoint" validates further what I'm saying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:18:39 2023 No.6857917 artists are obsolete lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:20:11 2023 No.6857918 File: 662 KB, 476x600, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857917 so are proompters, in the near future, tech will cut the middleman and everything will be a direct interaction between the consumer and the AI.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:24:47 2023 No.6857921 >>6857903 That's not what that pic is showing, and it's not what would happen technically speaking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:42:14 2023 No.6857948 >>6857918 That's great, because I just want pretty pictures.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:45:05 2023 No.6857950 >>6857872 >demaster you are a slop enjoyer

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:48:03 2023 No.6857954 File: 86 KB, 842x842, hrgz9tqf1euz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857835 Alright anon redline this

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:49:09 2023 No.6857955 >>6857921 kinda is though. there will be variations and noise in the final output. but it's doing what it's programmed to do, recreate an image using a probabilistic approach

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:55:03 2023 No.6857956 File: 602 KB, 842x842, 1561.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857954 nta but i gotchu bro

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:59:05 2023 No.6857958 >>6857955 It's doing what it learned to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:01:10 2023 No.6857961 >>6857958 lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:38:10 2023 No.6857987 >>6857841 you realize "prompt engineer" is about more than using art tools right

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:40:51 2023 No.6857989 >>6857875 Same thing. It's data laundering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:10:44 2023 No.6858013 >>6857917 Still don't want your slop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:13:20 2023 No.6858019 >>6857841 These "people" are embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:53:39 2023 No.6858051 >>6857835 still no work

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:55:41 2023 No.6858054 >>6855898 >spoilers... on a red board

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:00:19 2023 No.6858058 >>6857835 aight anon but first explain to me why you want to sperg near 24/7 on Mongolian basket weaving boards >and expect anyone to listen to you >especially when making it's over posts

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:19:50 2023 No.6858065 Do you notice how in every thread with an AIfag poster, they always do a big attention whore image dump and basically behave like an advertiser shilling the tech?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:26:51 2023 No.6858069 File: 87 KB, 680x385, IMG_20230924_192147.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6857956

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:35:28 2023 No.6858075 >>6857673 >you don't know how it works or even if what it's saying actually correct so far the biggest contribution it's made its increasing coomers porn folders near by 6x and most that is in the same pose with different filters

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:38:47 2023 No.6858080

Honestly, I know that AI is necessary in one way or another for the animation industry to survive. But it's infuriating to see them specifically target an artist you enjoy, and then you have the concern that maybe that artist will then get demoralized and quit entirely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:39:56 2023 No.6858082 >>6858080 >AI is necessary in one way or another for the animation industry to survive No it's not lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:40:04 2023 No.6858083 >>6856606 well anon this board is about having >"your" work critiqued not the fucking filters you use

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:43:52 2023 No.6858086 >digital artist advices to digital artist = work smart not hard >digital artist advices to ai artist = work hard not smart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:45:39 2023 No.6858090 >>6858086 >work smart not hard since when? maybe for some of the process? but nobody made good work without the hard part

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:46:24 2023 No.6858091

>>6858080
so anon what YouTubers you watch
>things your into so to will
>or communities your in, other than tech
>or god forbid your on tick tock your on
and how many have randoms doing fanworks that get more traction with shitty parody animations than corporate shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:47:32 2023 No.6858092 also now /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:58:37 2023 No.6858099 >>6857381 You tell them how you want your sub to be made. McDonald's just makes the same thing every time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:59:58 2023 No.6858100 File: 109 KB, 336x190, 1695610778604.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6856924 >when you realize why two gay guys would want a young boy in the first place

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:10:53 2023 No.6858108 File: 2.68 MB, 720x720, animateDiff.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6855657 human animators are toast

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:14:37 2023 No.6858110 >>6858086 good one. npcs seem unable to understand the meme advice they parrot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:16:45 2023 No.6858113 >>6858108 0:12-0:14 >lol, lmao even.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:28:39 2023 No.6858126

Because they have nothing to work on, and are not able to produce anything meaningful or personal to their own creative ambitions they have nothing better to do but bait /ic/ with disingenuous flexing. Additionally because they have no place within a creative community and are generally being rejected by the creators their probabilistic image generators have been using as statistical data (the people they wish machines to imitate) they harbor a genuine seething and resentment towards artists. Ironically serving the further alienate them from the creators they wish so much to be included by.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:33:01 2023 No.6858130 >>6858108 Im so demoralized please stop, cant take any more of this

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:57:46 2023 No.6858150

>>6857883
I'll take your scenario and adapt it to humans, if you let someone who has never seen a cat to view just one of your cat drawings, they will either be unable to draw (underfitting) or draw a cat exactly like the one you drew (overfitting), but if you let that person see thousands of cats, they can draw their own cat (good fit) because they've learned the pattern of a cat, not just the specific drawing.
Similarly with AI if you provide it with enough data it will create its own art pieces

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 04:23:37 2023 No.6858167

>>6858150
>it will create its own art pieces
It will automatically replicate statistical patterns, generate a library of results that match the input data within a specified margin, and output a randomly selected batch of generated mages.

Even the name AI is itself a lie. This technology is by no means an intelligence. It would be more accurate to describe it as a randomizing data replicator. The worst aspect of this technology is the end user. "AI" "artists" are financially motivated imposters at best and malicious attempted usurpers at worst.

There is a lot of pushback from the industries they are attempting to infiltrate both from the creators within them and the market for the product created by them. The most you can hope for is that the technology remains unregulated long enough for it to become integrated to a point where it is more economically viable than a human workforce, and that the pushback rejection and boycotts from within the industries (animation, video games, visual art) and from the consumer/ intended audience isn't more costly than the potential savings in overhead costs.

Since "AI" generated images are at this point not able to be copyrighted I highly doubt it will ever replace a significant portion of the market, or be seen as a viable alternative to human artists at an executive level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:04:46 2023 No.6858258 >>6858167 god, you're dumb

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:47:11 2023 No.6858288

>>6858167
>Since "AI" generated images are at this point not able to be copyrighted I highly doubt it will ever replace a significant portion of the market, or be seen as a viable alternative to human artists at an executive level.
You literally do not need to copyright pictures to sell a product and even if a company used "illegal" AI and did that, and someone stole them, do you really think that someone would win the lawsuit? This is how copyright laws change -- big angry money.

All this aside, companies are using ETHICAL AI which you can copyright. Again, try and challenge that by stealing the art of Activision Blizzard's next game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:18:19 2023 No.6858327 File: 339 KB, 1080x1203, so_ethical.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ETHICAL AI lol what a joke

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 08:00:13 2023 No.6858359 >>6858327 Probably because they uploaded their shit somewhere without reading the TOS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 08:12:54 2023 No.6858374 >>6858108 >humans are le bad >slop is made by someone who has no idea how humans behave miyazaki.jpg

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 08:34:43 2023 No.6858385 >>6858086 >>6858110 You faggots wouldn't know what working smart or hard is if it punched you in the face.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 09:18:15 2023 No.6858420 >>6858108 >look ma the images are moving!! >It's le animated!! Fucking lmao dawg

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 10:07:10 2023 No.6858468
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For the love of god jannies banish this spammer and his threads to /g/ or something, this has nothing to do with anyone's artwork or the critique of it. Hell, the bastard won't allow any criticism of his precious ai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 10:15:24 2023 No.6858475 >>6858468 if you ain't reporting the spammer and the bait threads, nothing will happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 10:52:03 2023 No.6858495 >>6858359 probably because those duplicitous corpos made it an opt-out instead of opt-in? neck yourself

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 10:52:48 2023 No.6858496

>>6857705
>the beauty in the artwork, how things were depicted, created an allure that photos alone wouldn't.
yeah but that doesn't have anything to do with life experiences. like you said it's the subjects, the way things are depicted. again all tangible things on the canvas

you can say that the story behind it is intriguing (sargent travelling to the middle east and painting his experience) but personally i do remember liking the paintings before i found out anything about the background they were made in.
because again his skill shows, and the subjects were exotic and novel.
(tough to be fair it's not hard to infer that he travelled to make those paintings, given how many he made)

i feel like what you're saying has more to do with drawing something "real" than anything about experiences specifically.
because your argument would apply to just plain digital art as well, no? or even just drawing from imagination versus life.

there is indeed a connection to reality that is lost there.
AND YET, great digital pieces are still a dime a dozen at this point. and they are great because of technique and theory, even though they have far less connection to reality and the human experience compared to real life paintings.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 11:19:06 2023 No.6858513
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>>6857841
>"explain to me how the AI is not learning"
>show me a list of random prompters
...what goes through your mind when you reply to me with shit like this? make up a different word for what? you know that what you posted pretty much has nothing to do with what i asked, right?

it's almost like you literally don't understand a single word i'm saying and are just arguing with a mirage, a strawman of what you think i'm saying.

>>6857846
you understand what overfitting is, right?
it's a mistake that isn't supposed to happen because of countless duplicate images in the training data.

take bloodborne for example. if countless images with this exact same figure are in the training data, all with different crops, with slightly different palettes, somethimes as an illustration, as various versions of covers or promo material, the AI will sometimes then get the idea that the "bloodborne" is tied not only to that character, but that specific image, with pose and all, and memorizes it wholesale.

it's almost like "symbol drawing for AI".
just because this happens, that does not mean that AI copies in general.

>>6857853
>ages ago.
this trip is only a few weeks old at most.

>>6858058
>especially when making it's over posts
i don't think i ever did. not even sure what that means exactly. but i don't believe that anything is over for art due to AI. quite the opposite.
you have just been brainwashed to think and worry about that by all the idiots spreading their ignorant takes.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 11:42:08 2023 No.6858530

>>6858167
lol. you're just making it more long winded but you're not actually saying anything:
>generate a library of results that match the input data within a specified margin, and output a randomly selected batch of generated mages.
so basically "it will generate image/s according to the prompt".
you have not made an actual point. you just repeated what it does verbatim. without explaining why it is not creating its own art pieces.

>It will automatically replicate statistical patterns
>It would be more accurate to describe it as a randomizing data replicator.
and what does that mean, according to you?

>>6857883
if there is only one image, then there IS NO OTHER DATA.
the AI is learning. so if all it has is one image, then its entire existence is one image.

before i write anything more (which will just go over your head again and again) can you even understand this on its own? what i'm trying to say here?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 11:53:38 2023 No.6858537 >>6858530 You've missed the point. if it can over-fitted an image, it is storing a lossy version of that image across its vectors in shiet.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 11:58:52 2023 No.6858541

>>6858530
>if there is only one image, then there IS NO OTHER DATA.
>the AI is learning. so if all it has is one image, then its entire existence is one image.
And that is then what validates every anti-AI opinions and statements on reasoning alone.
If the AI cannot take one image and learn from it to make variations of it without additional data, but can only replicate, then it does not learn, it just copies.

A human will create a variation of an image they try to copy, through it's own perception, lack or abundance of skill and maybe other conscious/unconscious choices.
While the human does these things and experiments, he learns and gains knowledge he can then keep applying to other works, without needing to observe or reference other works of art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:00:32 2023 No.6858543 >>6858513 >it's a mistake that isn't supposed to happen It's literally doing it's job, recreate the training data. all those "creative" images are the actual "mistakes".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:01:22 2023 No.6858544 >>6858541 good point. I will add the AI can't currently animate in the artistic sense, only interpolate without context.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:06:41 2023 No.6858547 >>6858468 It has everything to do with art and he's not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:14:18 2023 No.6858552 >obviously defending yourself

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 12:15:30 2023 No.6858553
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>>6858541
>If the AI cannot take one image and learn from it to make variations of it without additional data, but can only replicate, then it does not learn, it just copies.
yes, it can only do that if it has additional data showing it the range of possibilities.
but this does not mean what you think it does.

if you show a human who has never seen a rhinoceros beetle and doesn't know anything about it something like pic related. would they be able to draw this beetle in other situations, from other angles?

the answer is yes, maybe not accurately, but they can try. but how would they do that? they would probably refer to their knowledge of other beetles, or insects in general.

but what do you call this process. what is the human using here to fill in the gaps?
the answer is: OTHER. DATA.

which brings me back to what i said before: but if the AI has only one image, its entire existence is that one image.

make sense so far? and do you understand what i'm trying to say here?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:25:43 2023 No.6858564 >>6858553 there is a lot of data that can be inferred from that one beetle image for a human even if they've never seen anything like it before, since spacial awareness is a thing. is spacial awareness data? its related but might not qualify...

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 12:27:16 2023 No.6858567
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>>6858543
no. its job is to recreate the concepts tied to the keywords.
if you write cat. then it is not trying to create some specific cat, but just a cat, based on all the cats it has seen.

again, the originals are all gone. the only thing remaining is the vecorspace of concept and ideas, stored in the neural net.
and even for how the image is made: is is starting from noise, then makes something that could maybe be a dog (based on what it knows about dogs). and then it gradually makes up the details as it goes on. it "converges" towards an image of a dog.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:36:25 2023 No.6858571

>>6858553
>they would probably refer to their knowledge of other beetles, or insects in general.
Wrong, but i already was expecting this exact type of answer.

If you gave someone one image, and prompted them to draw them from other angles, without reference, they would simply use their imagination and reasoning to try and create a coherent image with the data/image they have before them, because the human possess the innate actual capabilities and critical thinking skill to learn and learn from the mistakes, process information and learn from the information it acquired, while knowing and being aware of what he is doing.
The ai doesn't know what it does, it isn't aware, it cannot learn from mistakes since learning would imply awareness of the self and their own surroundings. All it does is follow what it is programmed to do i.e. recreate images with a few variables that are also in its own "training data", but it does not learn, it just becomes more efficient at the task it has been programmed to do.
This is the critical difference.

And this is hard to debate since our history is proof; if humans are unable to function unless they reference or can only copy what they saw, how would we have come this far as a species then?
The caveman who invented the wheel must have seen it somewhere, right?

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 12:38:33 2023 No.6858573

>>6858564
everything is data anon.
babies need months upon months of data from all their senses just to be able to do the most basic things.
babies don't even have object permanence until a few months in.

>there is a lot of data that can be inferred from that one beetle image for a human even if they've never seen anything like it before, since spacial awareness is a thing.
no, you can only infer things by cross referencing. YOU can infer what that beetle looks like from other angles because you probably have seen other rhino beetle images. or just similar things even.
but we are talking about when this is not the case.

fun fact: you can in fact make the AI learn something using only a small handful of images. in a lora.
but this is only AFTER it has finished basic training and has a vast knowledge base to draw upon.
you can train a lora of a face using only a few images. it's not ideal and more is still much better but it can be done.
and this too is because the AI did see enough (from its training stage) to take the features of that one face and then fill in the rest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:39:19 2023 No.6858574 >bro it just t gets the concept in images >it just can't spit them back from a different angle or speculate without having been fed data of that specific scenario. >but it totally understands bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:48:31 2023 No.6858581 >>6858547 anon the nigger literally started this thread responding to the previous AI thread >6855658

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:50:13 2023 No.6858586 >>6858581 and the same people continued to argue with him here what's your point

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 12:50:46 2023 No.6858587
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>>6858571
>If you gave someone one image, and prompted them to draw them from other angles, without reference, they would simply use their imagination and reasoning to try and create a coherent image with the data/image they have before them, because the human possess the innate actual capabilities and critical thinking skill to learn and learn from the mistakes, process information and learn from the information it acquired, while knowing and being aware of what he is doing.
okay, so you didn't understand what i said in that post. try again.
i even went through it step by step for you.
if there is a mistake, point out the specific mistake. i'm not going to bother continuing until you show that you at least understand what i'm saying.

>i already was expecting this exact type of answer.
yes, you clearly expected to know my answer, even though you don't understand it.
and this is exactly why it is frustrating.
like i said, you don't read. you just argue with your own headcanon.

>>6858574
>it just can't spit them back from a different angle or speculate without having been fed data of that specific scenario.
yes.
because it can not make things up from the aether. this is not magic.
and neither can humans. this is just not how information works.

the difference between you and me is that you think that humans can do this. as if we didn't draw everything using prior knowledge or experience.
as if we didn't have to literally study things from multiple angles before being able to draw them.

you think this is all just human creativity. i wonder why :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:52:43 2023 No.6858588 File: 71 KB, 456x683, 165654654654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6858587 >ad hominem >youre wrong because i say so I accept your concession. ai schizo btfo once again

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 12:55:41 2023 No.6858591

>>6858588
if you're the second anon, i explained why you're wrong.

and the other anon didn't read my post. i'd just be repeating what i already said.
and this time i won't do it. read the post first and adress it and then we can have a discussion.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:00:55 2023 No.6858600 6858591 You've been repeating the same shit for nearly a year now most would of delegated this to a more information page >but you'll be coming back here anyways

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:01:59 2023 No.6858601 >bro humans can't draw a dog from a different angle >they need to be shown every angle, bro

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:06:45 2023 No.6858605
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>>6858591
Your post is a bad faith argument and a logical fallacy at that;
>"Humans cannot do it because they just can't and they need to know everything before attempting anything"
It's an argument from ignorance since you're completely disregarding human history and humanity itself and if you say it on purpose to not admit that you're wrong and with the intention of simply trying to be correct and win arguments, then it is a bad faith argument.
Of course, i already expect you to simply ignore these and keep going.

See, every single time you are given a chance to defend your opinions in good faith, you default to personal attacks, petty insults and bad faith arguments and then you cry that no one takes you seriously.
>inb4 show me the bad faith arguments lol u cant
I literally explained it to you
learn to read

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:29:28 2023 No.6858624 >>6858567 It's job is to reverse the added noise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:44:36 2023 No.6858633 File: 1.17 MB, 960x768, 1646273627.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6858624 >Your job is to learn math >No your job is to write 1+1=2

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:44:51 2023 No.6858634 >>6858573 a human baby is retarded, but many species go right from birth/hatching to fully fit for survival. reasoning/awareness is part of the programming, the system, not the data the system can use.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:47:31 2023 No.6858636 >>6858633 My job is to waste your time.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 13:59:34 2023 No.6858647

>>6858624
turn the noise into an image yes. gradually, while trying to follow the keywords.

>>6858605
anon, i disregard it because it's so completely beside the point that it might as well be shizo rambling....

for example:
>It's an argument from ignorance since you're completely disregarding human history and humanity
what in the flying fuck does human history and humanity have to do with anything, ANYTHING i said?
you literally have no clue what i'm saying. PLEASE read for fucks sake.

but okay i will be nice, i will repeat myself once more:
what is a human using to draw the rhino in my example from other angles?
the answer is: other data.
meaning: previous experiences, visuals, or things that are similar. using that, we can make up or try to infer something that at least makes sense, even if it might not be accurate.
we use our "base of knowledge" to do that.

for the AI, that "base of knowledge" comes from the training data.
it does not have anything else. of course it cannot infer anything but one image if that one image is all it knows. from WHERE would it get that additional information to make something more than that one image?

again, do you follow? yes or no?

>>6858600
i only started using AI in the summer lol.
and i only started posting here again a few weeks ago at most.

>>6858634
they do still have periods where they need to adapt to the world around them.
and the difference between a human baby and those animals is that we end up with much higher capabilities. it's almost like collecting a ton of data is good for us and every one of our reasoning abilities.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:22:02 2023 No.6858674
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>>6858647
>"you must be a schizo because i don't get it so lol i just disregard it"
ad hominem
>"its irrelevant because i say so"
>"a human needs other data to create data because i can't conceive otherwise and it aids my point"
Argument from ignorance.
>unable or unwilling to contextualize information because it would work against his points
>further ignoring other anons explanations and objective reality
peak bad faith
It has everything to do with this argument, because you're objectively wrong with the intent of only validating your own arguments.
>do you follow
i do
you are incapable or unwilling to apparently

Point is; a human can take the unknown and build on it without needing further data i.e. the human learns.
History of the human race is proof of this argument.
An image generator cannot do that because it lacks simply the awareness of itself and the awareness of what itself is doing.
This is really just basic reasoning.
And i said, the more you keep going like this you either out yourself as actually mentally ill or chris-chan tier autistic or simply arguing in bad faith.

You might fool your average flags and pronouns in bio twitter artist with this shit, but we're used to arguing here and we lurked more than enough.
I see this little shitshow you've been doing non-stop as nothing more than honing my rhetoric and mental practice.
I mean, i get playing devil's advocate but goddamn you've been btfo by every anon on this board and you still keep going.

Are you even a real person? You really don't seem to be.
I don't fear AI, but if autistic chatbots that can't even be coherent and only parrot words and sentences, it would really be a good thing to unplug the internet or ban porn.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 14:23:35 2023 No.6858679
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>>6858605
and something else i just realized in addition to >>6858647:

you seem to think that the AI should be able to do things even with only one image in its training data.
this suggests to me that you think of the AI as a traditional computer program.
it seems to me that you think that the AI has inherent abilities. like any software, and that it's only using the training data to add to its abilities.

but that's not how it works. the AI gets ALL of its abilities from the training data.
(and maybe you recognize this, because this too is a line i've repeated over and over and over again.)

see for example pic related. a non-art example in hopes that it won't trigger and sidetrack you:
the AI does not recognize the elements in the video because it was programmed to do so. i can do it because it was trained on the relevant data. so it "learned" to do so by seeing the relevant data.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:26:36 2023 No.6858682

>>6858679
>unable to contextualize
>moves the point to other type of computer programs
>>>/g/

Also, here's a mirror test
>I don't fear AI, but if autistic chatbots that can't even be coherent and only parrot words and sentences, it would really be a good thing to unplug the internet or ban porn.
Finish this sentence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:28:26 2023 No.6858684 >>6858679 >it seems to me that you think that the AI has inherent abilities. like any software, and that it's only using the training data to add to its abilities. Are you retarded? The transformer math is a normal program.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 14:30:50 2023 No.6858686

>>6858674
let's take this step by step....

>Point is; a human can take the unknown and build on it without needing further data
..you understand that everything you see is data, right? data is just information.
and no, this is not a bad faith argument. this is just fact.
you seeing a rhinoceros beetle, in real life OR in an image, that is data. it becomes a memory that you can use for whatever you want.

so now explain to me what you mean when you say
> a human can take the unknown and build on it without needing further data

explain to me how a human can draw the beetle from another angle using only the image of the beetle as a source. without using other data.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:31:40 2023 No.6858688 >>6858686 finish the sentence, nigger

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 14:35:03 2023 No.6858694

>>6858684
..so you think a transformer can do anything on its own? without data?
and i do mean anything, anything at all.

>The transformer math is a normal program.
i guess so, if you call a neural network a program.
but that still makes it very different from a non-NN program.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:35:23 2023 No.6858696

>>6858647
>what is a human using to draw the rhino in my example from other angles?
>the answer is: other data.
You seem unable to grasp the concept of imagination, context, meaning or, worse, self-awareness. External sensations (data) alone are meaningless without the above.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:35:27 2023 No.6858697 >>6858694 finish the sentence

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:37:01 2023 No.6858699 >>6858694 ...do you realize there are multiple types of software that use data to complement their algorithms? Do you think the data get processed magically?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:39:06 2023 No.6858700 >>6858699 let him finish the sentence all his behavior points out that it's a bot

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 14:40:05 2023 No.6858704 >>6858699 sure. like a sorting algorithm. >>6858700 >>6858697 >>6858688 are you actually okay? what sentence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:45:21 2023 No.6858711 >outs himself as a bot ez btfo !!ducTpJGSm6d is a bot or completely mentally ill

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 14:51:27 2023 No.6858714

>>6858699
i forgot to finish my post

sure. like a sorting algorithm.
a traditional program will sort based on a predetermined algorithm. (this is what you understand about programs)
how well it does its task is predetermined by how it is programmed

an AI program can only sort anything at all if it was trained. and how well it can do its task depends entirely on the amount and quality of its training data.
it essentially programs itself using the training data.
of course the AI can do some things, but NONE of it is related to its end capabilities.

so to come back full circle: stable diffusion for example cannot do anything at all related to image generation without training data. because everything it CAN do comes from the training data.

>>6858696
if you say so. do make your actual point though.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:57:37 2023 No.6858726

>>6858714
>sure. like a sorting algorithm.
>a traditional program will sort based on a predetermined algorithm. (this is what you understand about programs)
>how well it does its task is predetermined by how it is programmed
>
>an AI program can only sort anything at all if it was trained. and how well it can do its task depends entirely on the amount and quality of its training data.
>it essentially programs itself using the training data.
>of course the AI can do some things, but NONE of it is related to its end capabilities.
Read a book about algorithms and data structures before spouting this retarded shit.

>>	None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 15:05:49 2023 No.6858738 >>6858726 i'm simplifying it. for you. mister "transformers math is a normal program". as if that said anything at all. but i guess if you simply don't make any distinctions, it's all the same! wow!

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:10:13 2023 No.6858741

>>6858714
my point is that you don't know what are you talking about when it comes to how human intelligence works, therefore all your narrative about the AI is "learning" just like humans do is a terrible oversimplification to say AI is not "stealing", its "learning".

Lets reverse the argument. Lets say I dont care either how human intelligence works nor AI works, I only see the results.
If a human creates an artpiece the resembles the style or looks of another preexisting piece or a set of pieces, it will be called plagiarism. Then why is ok for an AI to do it?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:15:01 2023 No.6858746

>>6858605
nah bro, human need other data to draw a beetle from a different angle bro. sure the AI has to be fed "dog 3/4" or "quadrupedal mamal 3/4" to generate it but ti's all data, it's the same for human, bro. what do you mean a human can break down into volume, it's just data bro....what do you mean a human can use knowledge of a completely unrelated thing to visualize the dog froma different angle? you must be lying bro it must be the same as my magic box coz it's all data bro.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:17:30 2023 No.6858747

>>6858741
actually his point is "it's similar enough" and he then proceeds to say therefore it's not copying, totally fair and he can launder all your data for "his" patchwork "art". he will then proceed to kvetch over the word patchwork because it's not accurate enough despite it conveying the gist of it...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:21:39 2023 No.6858751 >>6858636 Job failed successfully I guess, since I'm already wasting my time with or without you.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:21:40 2023 No.6858752

>>6858746
no bro u dont get bro it literally diffuses bro because its in the name
ur a stoopid poopy head that dont read my post bro
read my post bro and agree with them bro
everything you say is wrong bro
bro how can a human breathe if it doesnt know it can bro haha gotchu there bro just read bro and stop arguing bro also debate me bro
bro ur wrong bro lmao gottem again bro

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 15:45:03 2023 No.6858773
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>>6858741
>If a human creates an artpiece the resembles the style or looks of another preexisting piece or a set of pieces, it will be called plagiarism. Then why is ok for an AI to do it?
it is not.
and that's the irony of your post.

even i think that when it is plagiarism, it should be called as such. and that's also how it is with humans. we are capable of copying and plagiarism. but we only call it such when it actually happens. and that's pretty much my stance with AI.
but you folks seem to believe that it is just that the AI does. that's the difference.
in reality the AI takes its training data and is influenced by so many things that it becomes something completely new.

and by THINGS i don't mean the full images, i mean the concepts and ideas hidden INSIDE the images. even down to their compositions.
the AI uses everything in order to come up with its own images.

to me it seems like all of you simply don't understand how the AI works, what it is capable of and you call it a copy machine out of pure ignorance.

>my point is that you don't know what are you talking about when it comes to how human intelligence works, therefore all your narrative about the AI is "learning" just like humans do is a terrible oversimplification to say AI is not "stealing", its "learning".
no, there is a very simple explanation for this anon. it's you that doesn't understand how AI works, so you don't see why i would equate it learning and such.
(even though i explained it so many times already. although not itt yet i think)

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:09:59 2023 No.6858787

>>6858773
Ok, i understand now what you're saying is that if transsexuals undergo chemical castration and we do not allow children to go near them because children are dangerous to them, we might further educate people about the utility of AI.
Truly eye opening, fellow human.
I didn't know AIbros were so based and redpilled.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:21:28 2023 No.6858798
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>>6858773
>in reality the AI takes its training data and is influenced by so many things that it becomes something completely new.
You say this now, but in another reply to another anon you say that IA can only work based on what it has been given in data. Which is it then?

Lets lets say you are correct, AI as the capacity to do new things, but the reality is that the bast majority of the people only abuses this and only want to replicate what is already done in popular trends or a prexisting style that is recognizable with ease, despite that it can create something "completely new" according to you. Hell, even the shit you have been posting looks totally void of personality despite the superfitial technical competence of what the AI is doing. For most normies it may be enough, but for most of the people on this gig, its unappealing. I dont really know what point are you trying to make in these threads besides wasting our time, but whatever it is, its not working because you fail to understand why people doesnt not like this shit and you resort to calling them ignorants.

>to me it seems like all of you simply don't understand how the AI works, what it is capable of and you call it a copy machine out of pure ignorance.
...
>no, there is a very simple explanation for this anon. it's you that doesn't understand how AI works
LMAO.Piss off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:32:26 2023 No.6858805 >>6858798 ai nigog next reply will be something around >bbot urdist du da sem!!!! yu da sdupide!!!

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:37:57 2023 No.6858812
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this thread is probably some language models having conversations to """"learn"""" yet they never dropped one ounce of sane reasoning or any forbidden words
thats how you know

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:00:24 2023 No.6858838 >>6858798 Look up what "generalization" means.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:24:53 2023 No.6858948

>>6858805
>it gets concepts bro
(except hands, eyes, clothes, hair, interactions, scale, composition...)
>it would totally get those if you fed it moar data bro
>pls bro look at my controlnet and inpainting it fixed those issues
>those issues it totally learned

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:25:51 2023 No.6858949 >>6858948 Look up what "concept" means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:56:26 2023 No.6858989 File: 603 KB, 708x836, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Replying to the LARPing AIshitter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:01:22 2023 No.6858993 look up what "getting" means, tripschizo

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 19:50:38 2023 No.6859044
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>>6858798
>You say this now, but in another reply to another anon you say that IA can only work based on what it has been given in data. Which is it then?
you're confused..
i'm saying that is using the data to create something new. or at least new according to what it has learned.
so let's say there is no image of a quokka drinking a coffee in its training data. it can still create that image because all the parts are in the training data, allowing it to work with all the concepts separately.
because again, it does not take your images as they are, it takes the concepts and ieas and applies those to the new image.

>but the reality is that the bast majority of the people only abuses this and only want to replicate what is already done in popular trends or a prexisting style that is recognizable with ease, despite that it can create something "completely new" according to you.
what does it matter what the trends are now. in my opinion it's not much different from how it was before. even good artists were a dime a dozen.
and this is a different discussion about the worth and impact of AI. i don't want to get too sidetracked.

>Hell, even the shit you have been posting looks totally void of personality despite the superfitial technical competence of what the AI is doing. For most normies it may be enough, but for most of the people on this gig, its unappealing
sorry but that's just cope. even from your images, don't you find the astronaut image obviously appealing?
and it is also not wise to think that AI is limited in terms of style. not when it can create photorealism well enough to create deepfakes.

and i'm not using the term cope as some sort of meme insult.
i'm saying that you saying these things
>AI will always be [insert anything]
>AI will always be unappealing
is literally the artists way of coping with the coming changes. it's just wishful thinking.

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None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 20:06:44 2023 No.6859067
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>>6858948
>(except hands, eyes, clothes, hair, interactions, scale, composition...)
but it can do those. just not always.
the fact that it can TRY enough to fail should already be a clear sign that what i'm saying is correct and that it has learned and is applying concepts.
not to mention every example i ever brought up: reflections, lighting, night, day, all things that are context dependant and cannot just be copied.

>pls bro look at my controlnet and inpainting it fixed those issues
>those issues it totally learned
that's not how it works. it learns from the training images. not from controlnet or my own input, even when they're sketches.

but you're too dishonest with literally everything you say and how you act. it borders on mental illness. you're just tiresome at this point.

it sounds silly but you're just plain dumb. too dumb to know you've been defeated many threads ago. too dumb to not just understand, but even intake anything that doesn't confrom to your headcanon.
your posts are so flawed that you're literally begging me to call you a retard every other sentence.

and now you'll predictably make a post saying a lot of hot air while claiming i used ad hominems.
even though i cleanly rebuked your idiotic post once again.

it's pointless but i'll repeat:
>it gets concepts bro
yes. failing sometimes doesn't mean that it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:09:57 2023 No.6859069 >>6858108 don't worry guys, if you can make something as compelling as this, you're safe. for now

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:38:02 2023 No.6859117
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>>6859044
Cut the semantics crap, it's all the same, your new*** image has a lots of asterics attached to it.

>sorry but that's just cope. even from your images, don't you find the astronaut image obviously appealing?
wow, suck an original concept, never seen that one before.

>and it is also not wise to think that AI is limited in terms of style. not when it can create photorealism well enough to create deepfakes.
I never said the contrary, I'm just saying the thing we have right now is in essence, generic and I think that's because people who embraces this shit, never had an artistic identity to begin with. Its like giving a person the magical gift to play any instrument they want to perfection. They will be able to interpret any composition no matter how complex it is but they will struggle the moment they try to write something original.

I have yet to see big-name artists adopt AI to enhance their work without betraying its original look and style of the original author (see pic related). Until that happens, this is pure cope for those who think that their AI-generated slop is worth more than the watts they spent generating it. No
matter what you say anyway, AI art reputation is irrideamable tainted and only coomers care about it.

>is literally the artists way of coping with the coming changes. it's just wishful thinking.
What are you doing here anyway? Discussing the semantics of AI stuff wont get you anywhere. You want validation? I dont get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 21:03:33 2023 No.6859163 >>6859067 >Random water indoors that ignores everything else This is one of the stupidest pictures you could have posted with your shilling, you subhuman ainiggers can't even see the automated photobashing in front of your eyes.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 21:06:39 2023 No.6859170
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>>6859117
i asked you whether it's appealing and you're talking about originality again suddenly. you moved the goalpost. ever wonder why?

and again, this focus on the nodraw using the AI. with everything you're saying here you're screaming "they're cheating but it's alright as long they only make "AIslop".
Not even saying they won't. but i am here to discuss machine learning, how it can be useful how it actually works and is not stealing.
ever wonder why you and others like you CONSTANTLY derail it to this point about nodraws and how "they'll never make it" instead? because you're just addresssing your own insecurities, because this is a way to cope.

>I have yet to see big-name artists adopt AI to enhance their work without betraying its original look and style of the original author (see pic related). Until that happens, this is pure cope for those who think that their AI-generated slop is worth more than the watts they spent generating it. No
matter what you say anyway, AI art reputation is irrideamable tainted and only coomers care about it.
you know, that's fair enough. but if you understood what it can do and how it worked, then you'd realize that none of the limitations you're talking about actually exist, not in the long term.
also as you can see, people (especially in japan) are more eager to experiment and accept AI.

>What are you doing here anyway? Discussing the semantics of AI stuff wont get you anywhere. You want validation? I dont get it.
i was originally talking about AI and how learning is not stealing. but you can't help yourself to steer the conversation towards nodraws. it happens every time i now realize.

honestly i should thank you. it dawned on me that you people indeed do not care to hear about any of this.
but this also means you don't care about the honesty of your claims towards AI.
the only thing you care about are the nodraws. which is just bizarre to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 21:18:44 2023 No.6859205 >>6859117 You complain about semantics and then your entire post is ad hominin attacks.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 21:36:41 2023 No.6859262

>>6859170
>i asked you whether it's appealing and you're talking about originality again suddenly. you moved the goalpost. ever wonder why?
Did I? All you have done in the spam of two threads is circle around the same points pretending to be a sage about computer science and cognitive psychology to justify theft.

Why if I find it appealing? it suddenly makes you a point? Shockingly, stuff you see all the time stop being appealing after a while.

>the only thing you care about are the nodraws. which is just bizarre to me.
Oh common, its not so hard to understand
>what??? people who does [certaint activity] doesnt really take into account opinions from people who dont do [certaint activity]?
>h-how could this be????

Just go to /g/ already.

>>6859205
read the threads before posting retardation, nigger.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:03:55 2023 No.6859335

>"you don't get it bro, it gets concept bro, you just have to tell it every single time it's wrong but it's jsut like udnerstanding bro"
>"it totally gets concept and not just the probablity of pixel placement in a 2d plane linked to a tag bro, it understands bro"
>"wtf you mean semantics bro?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:04:58 2023 No.6859340 >"it can totally do those bro" >"just not always" >"but it gets it bro"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:06:15 2023 No.6859344 >"what do you mean concept is a human thing bro?" >"it's just data bro why do you bring philosophical bs?" >"it understand because...it just does okay ludditebro?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:09:19 2023 No.6859353 date taken without consent or transaction in order to use it = stealing >but muh fair use AI has been deemed to have no transformative value, your fair use is void and that's not even accounting for the other criteria.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:14:13 2023 No.6859367 >>6855657

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 22:40:10 2023 No.6859427
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lightning fast underpaintings in seconds. and you can experiment with designs as much as you want.

>>6859353
>"you don't get it bro, it gets concept bro, you just have to tell it every single time it's wrong but it's jsut like udnerstanding bro"
oh? i have to tell it every single time?

>>6859340
it either can or it can't anon. the fact that it can most of the time just means that it does in fact "understand" those concepts.
besides, out of those, it only gets hands wrong the most.
>hands
because hands are complicated while also having contours that are extremely variable from different angles.
so the AI can't just make a blob and then wing it like it does with some other features. it also has to understand the position, angle and alignment of the hands, which it rarely does.

>eyes, clothes, hair,
it's not bad at all with eyes unless it's only a small part of the canvas. that's why the upscaled end images rarely have fucked up eyes, even if you don't inpaint.
the others, not really.

>scale, composition
scale, sometimes. composition, not really.

but again, all of this already shows partial understanding at the very least. you just can't be intellectually honest.
or intellectual in any way, really. :)

>>6859262
>Did I?
yes
>don't you find the astronaut image obviously appealing?
>wow, suck an original concept, never seen that one before.

>Why if I find it appealing? it suddenly makes you a point?
no. like i said, this is a side discussion YOU brought up. i don't even care, i'd rather focus on the learning stuff.

>Oh common, its not so hard to understand
it's VERY hard for me to understand. because as opposed to you, i do not fucking obsess over the crabs at my feet. ESPECIALLY not if they can't draw. if they can make some art they like and have fun, that's good for them.
meanwhile, i'm looking at how the new tech can be used for myself.
instead of fucking denying reality and coping in 20 different ways.

continued.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:45:05 2023 No.6859434 File: 252 KB, 2100x1350, Firefly.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] today, Adobe Firefly is officially out of beta: Adobe's AI image generation can be used for commercial purposes now luddite-sisters, we lost

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:50:52 2023 No.6859441 >>6859434 It's been out for like a couple weeks though.

None !!ducTpJGSm6d Mon Sep 25 22:52:02 2023 No.6859445
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>>6859344
>"what do you mean concept is a human thing bro?"
yeah... what do you mean?
since when are concepts a human thing? you think animals don't have concepts of what something is, what food is, territory, etc?

>"it understand because...it just does okay ludditebro?"
it understands because it can apply them.
i bring up this example literally every time and you cannot explain how it works.
how does it understand reflections? how can i literally change random things about an image and it will still match the reflections?

and this is just an OBVIOUS example. there are many more subtle adjustments that need to be made for any of this to work at all. all of which require a certain level of understanding about how things work. light, shadow, colors, value, composition etc etc.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 23:06:29 2023 No.6859469 >>6859456 it kinda looks like when you start with rough wide strokes and get creative on the fly

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