/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6850122]

Why haven't you developed your hyper popular waifu character yet?

[Anonymous No.6850143]

I don't like that much attention. 2-4 (you)s is enough for me.

[Anonymous No.6850146]

I dunno, seems rather shallow and ill intended to try and lure an audience with sexually appealing characters that exist solely to appeal to the lowest common denominator to bring attention to either yourself or your project.
By purposefully doing that and offering a doll for everyone to jerk off to, you admit that you can't offer anything else of real value.

Spyxfamily was mid since only shippers, coomers and lolifags remained in the fandom.

[Anonymous No.6850244]

>>6850122
>Why haven't you developed your hyper popular waifu character yet?
Bold of you to assume I havent.

>>6850146
>seems rather shallow and ill intended to try and lure an audience with sexually appealing characters that exist solely to appeal to the lowest common denominator to bring attention to either yourself or your project.
Wholeheartedly agree, it's eyecandy for the sake of it and nothing else to offer. If you're going to appeal to an audience, do it for something worth more than just a nut bust. Make people fall in love with your characters not because they are sexually attractive, but because they are engaging and simply nice to look at.

>Spyxfamily was mid since only shippers, coomers and lolifags remained in the fandom.
Damn, really? would you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.6850249]

>>6850146
>Spyxfamily was mid since only shippers, coomers and lolifags remained in the fandom.
Delusion detected, ur jelly of Tatsuya Endo

[Anonymous No.6850252]

>>6850146
>Spyxfamily was mid since only shippers, coomers and lolifags remained in the fandom.
I have S2 stalled since it aired and haven't had the will to catch up.

[Anonymous No.6850262]

>>6850244
I dunno anon, if i were to see your origano cheeto for the first time as an average consumer, i might think it just porn and not care for anything else.
>would you elaborate?
Yor is a mary sue, she's just a walking a talking gimmick i.e.
>hot assassing but SHE ACTUALLY IS LE KAWAII UWU HOUSEWIFE WHO ACTUALLY IS HOT AND GETS DRUNK LOL ISNT THAT HORNYFUNNY? HOW CAN YOU HATE HER? PLS JERK OFF AND BUY FIGURINES CONSUMER-SAN!
Anya is just a kid with autism.
Spy guy wich i forgot the name is just the an excuse to make the plot work.
Dog is the only well written character, except he's quite literally a narrative deus ex machina.
I mean, the anime is fine just to consume like the slop it is, but no one should aim to produce such garbage just to live off fanatic porn addicts, unless you've given up and realized that the general public just wants to consume slop and as a creator if you don't give it to them you might as well just die.
>>6850249
Why? Good for him, his product is still kitsch.
It's rather a diss and a critique on whoever worships this type of slop for more than it actually is.
But no, everyone who dares say or point out bad things that are also true about anything must be jelly, right?
>inb4 more retarded bait post
Anon, i'm humoring you if anything.
>>6850252
I also started losing interest around s2. I think i watched it all but it was just boring and the only expectation of the story is that the two protags will actually fuck instead of actually telling a story how both are actually enemies and trying to outwit each other while trying to keep up the appearance of a family.
I don't think the author has had any intention to go deeper with the story, but just keep it as simple and mass appealing as possible to get money from the average consumer.
pic semi related

[Anonymous No.6850283]

>>6850262
>I dunno anon, if i were to see your origano cheeto for the first time as an average consumer, i might think it just porn and not care for anything else.
Heh, "Origano Cheeto"...
That's fair assumption, honestly. She is showing a lot of skin in many of these draws and very little is told storytelling-wise, that is a problem I need to solve, aiming for more narrative art of her and the whole project she is part of.
That said, arent you being a little too narrow-minded by immediately assuming it's straight up porn? Granted, some of these draws are pretty kinky, but they're very mild, and not all of them are lewd-based, dare I say it's more cute than lewd. Not trying to prove a point, Im just interested on why you would assume it's specifically porn as opposed to just some random OC being cute and sometimes kinky.
>Also
Never watched anything related to Spy X Family, I just remember an article saying the author didnt feel fond to the series and thinks it's kind of slop and I immediately thought it was bad because there is something wrong if you dont like your own project.

[Anonymous No.6850287]

>>6850146
based

[Anonymous No.6850324]

>>6850283
>That said, arent you being a little too narrow-minded by immediately assuming it's straight up porn?
I am putting myself in the pov of an average social media/art scroller.
Personally, i would not be quick on assumption, but the average consumer will also give what you provide.
>kinky but mild
Yeah, if you're constantly exposed to nude bodies, not for your average normie.
>I just remember an article saying the author didnt feel fond to the series and thinks it's kind of slop
At least he admits it.
It doesn't make my own observation wrong then.
>there is something wrong if you dont like your own project
Many artist who are successful do end up disliking their own projects, given what kind of slop it takes one to produce to get rewarded with any shred of success, but rarely admit it.

[Anonymous No.6850391]

>>6850283
Draw her with flaws, doing something she would regret later, like yelling at a loved one or driving recklessly.

[Anonymous No.6850467]

>>6850146
>You admit that you can't offer anything else of real value.
Just because you delude yourself into thinking politics, philosophy and other forms of ego masturbation are more purposeful than sex. Doesn't make it true.

If anything you're even more of a whore, commodifying "enlightenment".

[Anonymous No.6850510]

>>6850467
>tries to argue by ad hominem
So, do you admit that your obvious emotional reaction to an opinion/statement some random anon on the internet, hit so close to home that you feel the need to try and discredit the statement by attacking the one who speaks rather than elaborate with sound logic and profound observations?

Too many big words and to archaic concepts (who are totally not) for such a big boy like you?
>Just because you delude yourself into thinking politics, philosophy and other forms of ego masturbation
It's all you claiming that, hence why i can say that this post really made you butthurt.
>more purposeful than sex
Porn is child's game, even more when you're showing everything and being very direct in shoving titties unto the viewers face and doing everything to trigger a sexual stimuli.
You're forcing the average consume to like your product, because the average normie will not question or be aware of his stimuli, he will always and impulsively act on them like the animal he is.
It's kitsch, it's slop and nothing more than fast food but the general consumer wouldn't want to have it any other way because
>whatever makes me feel good NOW is GOOD
With your post, you rather admit, or show to anyone that has at least half a brain cell, that you do not understand art and visual imagery beyond the scope of being consumed for quick dopamine or masturbatory habits.

You're free to pyw, but it won't prove anything.

[Anonymous No.6851551]

>>6850244
You should do more B&W work anon, it looks really good. I've only seen your colored work posted so far

[Anonymous No.6851973]

>>6850146
>Spyxfamily was mid since only shippers, coomers and lolifags remained in the fandom.
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.6852050]

>>6850122
>Why haven't you developed your hyper popular waifu character yet?
I have developed several waifus. All I need is an internationally broadcast smash hit animated series and then hopefully one of them will become hyper popular.
>>6850146
>I dunno, seems rather shallow and ill intended to try and lure an audience with sexually appealing characters that exist solely to appeal to the lowest common denominator
Do you think it's possible for a character to be a good character and also be sexually appealing at the same time, or is that not possible?

[Anonymous No.6852141]

>>6850510
>With your post, you rather admit, or show to anyone that has at least half a brain cell, that you do not understand art and visual imagery beyond the scope of being consumed for quick dopamine or masturbatory habits.
So you're suggesting we create art for a non existent audience? We agree that normals don't think, so why should I go hungry by working for a fantasy consumer?

[Anonymous No.6852145]

>>6850122
I only make nightmare waifus

[Anonymous No.6852146]

>>6852050
I've thought about this for awhile and imo the problem is trying to reconcile her beauty with her story. If you can think of a way where her beauty is functionally relevant then it would work, but it can't be arbitrary. That girl in MGSV named Quiet was apparently photosynthetic which is a cool idea but it was clearly just arbitrarily invented to have an excuse to have her running around naked.

[Anonymous No.6852148]

>>6850244
I've been wanting to try this kind of stuff for so long, today I got the courage to do it, what do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.6852152]

>>6852148
She is an abomination against nature. Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.6852154]

>>6852152
That was along the lines of what I thought too.

[Anonymous No.6852176]

>>6850324
>Personally, i would not be quick on assumption, but the average consumer will also give what you provide.
Fair enough. I guess I'll have to stick to fining my storytelling, thanks for the input, anon!
>>6850391
That's a good idea, though I dont know how to properly put her flaws visually, it doesnt help her flaws are very intrapersonal: She is reckless, impulsive, short tempered and sensitive (a crybaby if you will). Maybe I wouldnt have this problem if I defined her flaws better...?
>>6852050
Arent you that guy with the comic that I've seen around /ic/ and /co/? I quickly recognized the girl on the far left, Morgan, was it? I love her!
>All I need is an internationally broadcast smash hit animated series
Do you, though? So far you seem to be doing good with your comic and I feel you could do better if made yourself more visible around your platforms, making promotional art, putting your characters in funny situations, that kind of stuff. I dont think you are required to reinvent the wheel in order to get where you want to go.
>Do you think it's possible for a character to be a good character and also be sexually appealing at the same time, or is that not possible?
Didnt ask me, but you can certainly make a character that is engaging for how it is and for how it looks. The key is not leaning too heavily on the sex appeal and instead give people more stuff to see from your character, a compelling character design with virtues and flaws, motivation, lore, purpose and such.
>>6851551
I was considering it too, it does look nice in black and white, colored ones are also good, but the B&W ones have something special...

>>6852148
This isnt me, by the way.
Sorry Im bringing up some stupid drama, but there is a schizo (or a group of schizos) from another Imageboard larping as me and making some nasty edits of my art for some reason, this being the second post on /ic/. Please dont humor their stuff and simply report them for larping. I would appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.6852182]

>>6852050
>for a character to be a good character and also be sexually appealing at the same time
First you have to accept that characters are not real people.
Every design should either be a conscious choice or have purpose.
Sure, someone irl can be good looking but be absolutely useless and still get ahead in life, but with fictional characters, their worth/value is determined by how they're used.

A no brain approach to beauty that would also be able to be used in an interesting narrative would be to portray the beauty as a "curse" or a "flaw" of the character.
Or actually give them flaws that make people dislike the character and not "cute flaws" that make the character more loveable.
As an example; you can have a beautiful girl, but she snores like a pig, or is quick to get angry. It's all about balance in the end and as long as you don't make the beauty the primary selling point or the purpose, what coomers might do with the character is secondary to irrelevant.

If you use your character mostly as suggestive eye candy, that's what the consumer will treat her as, no matter how many autistic stories you give her and interactions you put her in.
>>6852141
In the end you gotta live with yourself and the consequences of your choices and if you choose to be as relevant and making money as long as you're useful and provide fap material to a bunch of legit retards with no attention span that will get distracted by every new thing or the newest pair of titties, then don't complain if your can't keep them to pay attention to you when everyone thinks that they're going to be the ones drawing the anime porn and getting all the numbers and patreon money by not even drawing.

Create product to pander to an audience and that's all you're going to be allowed to do by your oh so sacred audience.
If you want money and success so bad, honestly just get a 9-5, art isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.6852185]

>>6852152
>>6852154
Really? I put so much effort into it

[Anonymous No.6852200]

>>6852182
What do you think about Asuka and Rei? Yes they are both designed to be sexually attractive, but at the same time they have lasted the test of time for so many decades because they combine their attractive design with being good characters with interesting backstories. Some people only like Eva because of the waifus, other people like it because of the story and enjoy the waifus too. Sometimes people come for the waifus and then get sucked in to the story and characters if they are good enough.

[Anonymous No.6852226]

>>6852185
I liked your stuff in general, you're one of the guys who stand out to me here. I was gonna defend you earlier in the thread by saying that I don't see your waifu as a porn thing and I doubt others do at a glance, but I'm a millenial and maybe the connotations are different for zoomers. But what I didn't like in that other pic is the dicks on tits. Dick girl is already pushing it, but that is kind of normal these days but where it starts to gets disgusting is when the character has both a dick and vagina, these things are deformities along the lines of those drag queens who try to look like a beautiful woman with a full beard and makeup on at the same time. That pick crossed over into that territory.

[Anonymous No.6852232]

>>6852176
>>6852226
Hey man, I'm glad to see that wasn't actually you. It surprised me.

[Anonymous No.6852239]

>>6852200
>Yes they are both designed to be sexually attractive
They are just designed as regular ass teenagers?
>What do you think about Asuka and Rei?
They're teenagers going through puberty and whatnot. I haven't seen all the 85468546854 series and spin offs and canonical videogames for the wonderswan or whatever the fuck and i'm not going to do that since anything that has to create a fuckton of product, mostly means it only has a fanatic following that needs to be fed and milked for money.
And I can't give you a whole ass thesis but; Evangelion is for weebs what FF7 and One Piece are for normies; shallow, overrated, tearjerking and overcommercialized slop for retarded openmouthed, almond milk chugging consumers who gets wowed by anything that slightly attempts to philosophize shit.

Want actually good anime with a good narrative that doesn't rely on any shallow shit like anime waifus or pretentious shit? I recommend you go watch Kaiji.

[Anonymous No.6852251]

>>6852239
>And I can't give you a whole ass thesis but; Evangelion is for weebs what FF7 and One Piece are for normies; shallow, overrated, tearjerking and overcommercialized slop for retarded openmouthed, almond milk chugging consumers who gets wowed by anything that slightly attempts to philosophize shit.
What are some IPs or franchises that you think do things correctly, unlike Eva, One Piece and FF7?

[Anonymous No.6852265]

>>6852251
I already answered that.
>"Ugly" art style that filters the weebs
>fully based on telling a story
>mc has a fuck ton of flaws but manages to overcome them
>no relying on shock value, tearjerking or emotional manipulation to make you like the characters
>actually manages to build tension and suspence
I never watch things multiple times but this is the only series i watched 3 times and i might now go watch it again.
The only real flaw it has is the pacing and how one single scene can drag on for way too fucking long, since the original intention of the scenes is to take the viewer along for the ride of what the mc is feeling and thinking, but if you drag it on for too long it becomes exhausting.

[Anonymous No.6852272]

>>6852265
This is the correct formula to making an IP that appeals to no one and won't make any money.

[Anonymous No.6852276]

>>6852226
>>6852232
Yeah, it surprised me as well to see this edits being thrown around here as opposed to the imageboard they come from. For the record, I wouldnt try anything like it, Im vanilla to the core and always resort to mild female pinups and the like, dicks are completely out of question, let alone futa and other fetishes. It's funny people are pretending to be me while doing something I wouldnt do at all.
>I liked your stuff in general, you're one of the guys who stand out to me here.
Im going to take the compliment here, thank you! It's good to know my art stands out in some capacity.
>but I'm a millenial and maybe the connotations are different for zoomers.
This got me curious, what do you mean by that? Do you mean generations may see characters differently? That kind of makes sense to me and honestly, I think it actually helps to the argument if you dont see her as coom as a millenial.
>>6852265
>but if you drag it on for too long it becomes exhausting.
Im no weeb, but isnt this a problem in most old animes? I mean, it happens in Dragon Ball (Z) and I cant take it seriously because of it kek.

[Anonymous No.6852298]

>>6852276
Ugh I swear you gotta be samefagging this shit right?
Your art work is so mid yet you get a yous and drama all the time
I can't see how this can be anything else but blatant samefagottry
>Oh no guys a group of schizos are targeting me
>incoming wave of oh no that's so sad your art work so good
>Post normally
>Oh my god you character is SOOOO cute oh my oh my god so cute

It's just so tiresome

[Anonymous No.6852305]

>>6852298
I will also say that i notice this every time this anon posts

[Anonymous No.6852307]

>>6852298
>>6852305
Where does the anon generally post their work?

[Anonymous No.6852316]

>>6852307
Just in random threads they're basically a avatar poster at this point because they solely post their bland blonde oc
The last one I saw was one saying
>I really tried to get out of my comfort zone on this one teehee
>Proceeded to post a 3/4 face, shoulder eye level, cut off at the knee drawing same as they always post
>At least 4 responses minimum saying positive shit

Again blatant samefag behaviour
They also used to post in the OC redraw thread but would never post any fills

It wouldn't be so bad if they would change up their work a little, as they aren't terrible, it's just boring

[Anonymous No.6852323]

>>6852316
Sounds like basic autist behavior. Many such cases. Sad!

[Anonymous No.6852372]

>>6852298
>>6852316
Yes, anon... every single person saying good stuff about my art is me samefagging because god forbid anyone likes my trash.
Dont be ridiculous, anon. People say good things because they like my stuff as beg and mid as it is, and that is for the very few times it gets attention out of the many times I post and get zero engagement. Why do you always bring up the samefagging everytime I get a few (You)s? This is like the third time by now... Just because you dont like my trash doesnt mean no one else does.
>>Oh no guys a group of schizos are targeting me
You say that as if I *really* want to talk about a very retarded drama from a foreign Imageboard that has nothing to do with this board or users. Someone is larping as me and Im explaining the basics of the situation, end of it.
>>incoming wave of oh no that's so sad your art work so good
Literally has never happened, not even on this thread lmao
>>Oh my god you character is SOOOO cute oh my oh my god so cute
People arent too autistic about my blondie, you know? They just say something like "hey, that's cute" and move along, *like you should be doing with me* if you dislike me/my art that much.
>they're basically a avatar poster at this point because they solely post their bland blonde oc
Yeah, god also forbid me drawing what I like, which is my own blondie. And let us conveniently forget about the draws that arent her like the commissions, the Fionna and Roll fanarts and the OC fill at the redraw thread. Honestly, you dont even know what avatarfagging means if you think posting my blondie counts as such.
>The last one I saw was one saying
>makes strawman
Why dont you link the post instead of making it sound like an autism run?
>>6838666
>>6852131
>They also used to post in the OC redraw thread but would never post any fills
That was totally on me due to a misunderstanding on how the thread works and nowadays Im making fills every now and then. Are you still on about that...?

[Anonymous No.6852374]

>>6852372
>Yes, anon... every single person saying good stuff about my art is me samefagging because god forbid anyone likes my trash.
I genuinely don't think anyone likes it and that you're samefagging. It's very desperate and sad.

[Anonymous No.6852407]

>>6852372
>curly haired blondie always seems to have feeble drama following them
>blondieanon spurgs out saying they don't
>feeble drama ensues

It's like clockwork

[Anonymous No.6852415]

>>6852298
>>6852316
>>6852323
>>6852374
>>6852407
He's mentally ill, spoke to him a few months ago and he told me stuff that are clear signs of schizophrenia but he denied all of it thinking he can "control" it.

[Anonymous No.6852420]

>>6852307
I post my stuff in pretty much any thread that fits, I dont have specifics except for /cfsg/, I also post on several threads when there's a discussion that interest me, but I dont post my work because it's not relevant for the thread. I used to post on the OC redraw thread thinking I could just ramble about my blondie without needing to do fills, but I was mistaken and I rightfully left the threads because I couldnt do fills at the time, I sometimes go in there to make fills and not post my blondie because anon would get mad at me for getting a fill.

Contrary to what anon said about me and my works, I dont act like an "uwu sugoi sparkly" autist and always try to be insightful in discussion, ask questions and such, otherwise you would've probably heard of me earlier in a more negative light like your average /ic/ idiot, not because someone thinks Im samefagging because "he get too many good comments" (which arent even that many to begin with) and because "I noticed a pattern" (that isnt even there).

Also, this isnt the first time I get called out for samefagging by the same guy (I know because he always brings up the OC redraw thread incident at some point) and it's worth mentioning this guy has been proven wrong several times by those who he accuse of being me.
I really hate causing troubles and I'd like if it this guy wouldnt pester me all that much, because he is just humoring a nothinburger that I cant help but feel the need to put a stop to, which never helps.

[Anonymous No.6852425]

>>6850146
Holy keyed

[Anonymous No.6852435]

>>6852407
>>6852415
Why do schizos act like this? Several posters on this side behave exactly the same. Where do schizos get their programming orders from?

[Anonymous No.6852442]

>>6852372
honestly just stop feeding the trolls at this point
Keep drawing, keep making people seethe, it's a perfectly reasonable OC
If this >>6852415 is you though, get some help, genuinely it doesn't sound healthy being that in your head
best of luck

[Anonymous No.6852446]

I tried to but quickly realized that the hyper popular waifu thing is based on the same algorythmic machine that answers "why don't you try to have 100k followers???", and that the waifu design had NOTHING, NOTHING to do with it's popularity.
The last 10 fotm hyper popular waifus, one being the OP you posted, are just "generic anime girl, with a couple of accessories" and the fandom that pushes them, are far more important than the design itself.

[Anonymous No.6852486]

>>6852446
>I tried to but quickly realized that the hyper popular waifu thing is based on the same algorythmic machine that answers "why don't you try to have 100k followers???",
This why bother drawing lifeless chink dolls cosplaying as whatever character is popular right now to milk shekels of retards when it could be spam generated by a botfarm and you would not notice the difference? you would essentially be turning yourself into a human AI slop golem It's dead, pointless and cynical.

[Anonymous No.6852544]

>>6850467
You think you're soooo smart lmao

[Anonymous No.6852659]

>>6850244
Whatever you're doing, it's working on at least me. It might just be that I'm a big sucker for cutelewd but I absolutely adore the style you have going.
I might even try imitating it, just like I do every now and then for Muramasa Mikado's stuff.

[Anonymous No.6852692]

>>6850244
Wtf is this shit?

[Anonymous No.6852703]

>>6850283
The artist previous works were flops who nobody cares about, he said he created spyfam to appeal to the masses, which is the reason the characters are like they are. Anya is just a Loli version of a character of one of his previous works.

Quite brilliant honestly. Make it with a series, milk it, then work on what you live on the side without any worries and all the perks of having built an audience that will eat whatever shit you put up just because it comes from you.

[Anonymous No.6852707]

>>6850510
Teenager spotted. Back to your trannycord, fag.

[Anonymous No.6852715]

>>6852703
>The artist previous works were flops who nobody cares about, he said he created spyfam to appeal to the masses, which is the reason the characters are like they are. Anya is just a Loli version of a character of one of his previous works.
Knowing what the masses like and want is 99% of the battle and the hardest part. No one else was doing 1980s Iron curtain secret police and spy East German chic and no other mangaka realized how much appeal that setting would have globally.

[Anonymous No.6855010]

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