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Why is bad comic book art so common? How did these people even become professionals? I've seen so many examples of comic art so hilariously bad that even the most /beg/tier anon here can point out the mistakes.

>> No.6840235

>>6840234
>How did these people even become professionals?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRMTCQgEVuM

>> No.6840238

>>6840234
>Im so hahaha Le good hahaha look at those le gmis hahaha tehehe ohohoh, im so good, yes... *scratches neckbeard.

>> No.6840254

>>6840235
Now i want a Rob Liefeld biopic

>> No.6840293
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>>6840234
It's capeshit. In fact most comic & manga content is so ridiculous that "exxxtreme" art styles are most congruent with it. I consider someone like Liefeld a cartoonist and wouldn't expect his work to be any more anatomically correct than Bugs Bunny.

>> No.6840307

>>6840234
deadlines

>> No.6840330

>>6840234
The entertainment industry requires three skills: capability, reliability and congeniality.
You can miss one if you're high on the other two.
Madureira and Campbell's art were ultra popular and high quality but they were hard to work with and couldn't keep a schedule so they got kicked.
MacFarlane was unreliable but sucked corporate dick and had high quality art, he's now the comic book artist with the highest net worth.
Liefeld was trash at art but everyone loved him and always delivered early. He's still worth $2-6M despite not working at all the last couple decades.

Since you're all absolute zeroes at congeniality, and very low at reliability. You will never make it no matter how good you get at copying Loomis.

>> No.6840379

>>6840234
Rob Liefeld is good actually. I used to mock him back in the day but came around. It was just fun schlock for adolescents, not everything has to be le Russian atelier tier, lol

>> No.6840380

Liefeld mogs everyone on this board.

>> No.6840393

>>6840234
the trend, comics of that mediocre style were in fashion in the 90s, the same will happen with anime in a few years, will they say shit, are we consuming this crap? In fact there are mangas like Baki, Elfen Lied, Hunter x Hunter, etc. with shitty drawings and no, I don't see assholes complaining nowadays, all because it's a trend.

>> No.6840406

Liefeld was great at creating (or co-creating) characters still popular today like Deadpool, Cable, and Domino. I know people make fun of him for his art but that was the 90s.
Greg Land gets a lot of hate too, personally I'm not a fan of his work, but he hits his deadlines so they keep hiring him

>> No.6840414

>>6840406
Deadpool is Spiderman in red and black, the same thing happened with Mc Farlane's Spawm, that generic concept of the orca eye that was used to create Venom was exploited, they were all copies, there is nothing creative in Liefelfd's character design or Mc Farlane

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>>6840234
Capeshit encourages bad design decisions. I wish I could explain why. Maybe it's because the original author usually isn't working on the original work, by necessity.
Even the "good" cape artists like Jim Lee tend to have zero style or memorability, and there seems to be some cosmic rule that all cape comics must be painted in eye-piercing kiddie colors, because these ultra-retards never learned basic color theory.
A Mignola type guy - a guy with originality in style, with fresh ideas - is rare in popular American comics. Though it seems like it's gotten better over time, especially in the digital age. Easier to find guys like pic related.
>>6840293
>I consider someone like Liefeld a cartoonist and wouldn't expect his work to be any more anatomically correct than Bugs Bunny.
He'd make a terrible cartoonist because he has no taste or design sense, unlike the Bugs Bunny artists

>> No.6840477

>>6840234
liefeld is like ONE web comics. he maxed out other stats instead of anatomy or technique. rule of cool, etc. lot of energy and fun in his work that appeals to kids that were buying comics. for modern comics, its fact they pay less than minimum wage and only diversity hires allowed now, so they just trace shit and have no actual talent.

>> No.6840479

>>6840234
>this is your brain on /ic/

this nigga would look at michelangelo's sketches and say he's high-int

>> No.6840485

>>6840414
Yeah but most people don't give a fuck about that. They see Deadpool and Spawn and think they look cool.

>> No.6840548

>>6840430
imagine having the mind to confidently type this...
I reallly hope for you you're just a 12 yr old, if not rope.

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>>6840234
90s Exxxxtreme is based, boyeeeee. Don't sleep on prime Stephen Platt (aka SPLATT).

>> No.6840623

>>6840414
Originality is irrelevant.
Good design repeats indefinitely through convergent evolution. Originality for originality's sake is the platypus of art.

>> No.6840641

>>6840623
>Originality for originality's sake is the platypus of art.
"Sjw`s" do this, yep.

>> No.6840677

>>6840430
>posts a fucking photobashed convert to line art tracing tier image as 'good' art when it wasn tdrawn by anyone

>> No.6840686

>>6840677
Kek, you ain`t wrong pal.

>> No.6840758

>>6840677
>muh tracing
prove it, faggot
>>6840548
Liefeld fan? There's really no bottom to /ic/'s contrarianism is there

>> No.6840770

>>6840758
nta but maybe we should also prove that ai is ai indeed now? Sir?

>> No.6840791

>>6840770
This is gonna blow your mind, but your favorite mangaka uses photo reference. He probably traces and photobashes backgrounds too.
Disney animators used rotoscoping and heavy use of reference photos
Only /beg/s who have something to prove squirm at the idea of incorporating reference into the process
Lieshit would have been better if he'd even once looked at human being

>> No.6840801

>>6840791
Sorry i exploded your head...

>> No.6840889

>>6840623
>>6840641


The edgy fujo sparkle dog starter pack

-Obscure mythological creature
-Trendy impractical fashion from interest
-Clusterfuck color pallet usually copied from random gaudy thing (rare mushroom etc)
-Androgynous features
-Tacky details swiped from tradtional art (halos, gulided trim, wood cut patterns)

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>>6840234
All comic book critics and artists agree that the 90s were very bad years for American comics, mainly because they prioritized the mass production of content that wasn't worth a shit. Then, you had 6 different editions of the same comic with different cover to higth price, in addition to the fact that art, being simple, was plagued with errors, at that time the problem was economic exploitation through the sale of mediocre material, today the problem is political through the woke agenda.

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>>6840234
All critics and comic artists agree that the 90s were very bad years for American comics, mainly because they prioritized the mass production of content that wasn't worth a shit. So, there were 6 different editions of the same comic with different covers, in addition to the fact that the art, being simple, was riddled with errors, back then the problem was economic exploitation through the sale of mediocre material, today the problem is political through the awakening agenda.

>> No.6841036
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All critics and comic artists agree that the 90s were very bad years for American comics, mainly because they prioritized the mass production of content that wasn't worth a shit. So, there were 6 different editions of the same comic with different covers, in addition to the fact that the art, being simple, was riddled with errors, back then the problem was economic exploitation through the sale of mediocre material, today the problem is political through the agenda woke.

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>>6841036
>comic artists agree that the 90s were very bad years
Not true at all. The Cartoonist Kayfabe guys are big 90s comic fans. A lot of us gen x/early millennials grew up with that stuff, so nostalgia is a factor, but it also had an energy and fun lost in current American comics.
>critics
Critics usually like stuff like Chris Ware and Daniel Clowes, which I agree is good, but is mostly for a niche audience.

>> No.6841224

>>6840234
>Why is bad comic book art so common?

Most wannabes only practice character art and a few poses so when it's time to make a completed issue the cracks begin to show. There's a laundry list of separate skills involved with comic art that take years of dedicated commitment to nail down. Also add the fact that habits both good and bad will be fortified by success. Liefeld got in at 19 so he didn't get that period of self reflection where you figure out why your art doesn't work.

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>>6841201
There were many ideas, but the designs were bad, comic artists agree when they criticize the comics of the 90s.
Fun? Well, probably yes, it was a time when American comics didn't have direct competition with anyone, European comics had their own audience so they didn't interfere, manga wasn't popular in the West like it is today, that's why there were more people interested in joining the comic industry, another factor was also the cinema that the capeshit theme was not so exploited, only Batman in DC and Superman that had been dragging on from the 70s, on the other hand Marvel that had been failing in the cinema revived with Blade and X-men in the late 90s and Spiderman in the early 2000s, making it clear where the industry was going to concentrate.

>> No.6841260

>>6841036
>>6841232
the 90's were bad for Marvel, distributors and comic book writing, everything else was a step up from the 80's.

>> No.6841265

>>6841260
It was shit but it was recovered with the movies, a concept that explodes to this day, DC has more potential in animation, but in comics both are dead, it is true that DC did much better in the 90s

>> No.6841473

>>6841036
>>6841201
>>6841232
You're all talking about different 90's.
90-93 was full kino with big hitters like Death of Superman bringing mainstream comics decidedly out of the campy silver age, and Spawn putting the flag down for non-comedic indie comics.
94-96 was the bullshit 70 covers plus one in a million holofoil trash peddling that literally crashed the market, sank thousands of comic book shops across america and gave Diamond distribution an iron grip on the balls of anyone who remained. It's the worst thing to ever happen to American Comics.
96-99 was the rebirth of comics as a medium rather than a collector item. Marvel vs Capcom blew up superhero popularity among non-comic book readers. The X-Men were at an all time high and cultural icons like Joe Madureira and Mark Silvestri were making cool art again instead of crapping out more Jim Lee cloneshit.

You're all right, but you're all wrong. Because it was a whole fucking decade you're speaking of, and shit used to change more often back then before mass market manipulation and social media oppression.