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Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:19:14 2023 No.6838129 [Reply] [Original]

What the fuck guys, I've though older manga and anime were supposed to be better looking than what we have today....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:20:46 2023 No.6838130 >>6838129 Your work, post it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:24:16 2023 No.6838133 File: 196 KB, 1082x938, IMG_2507.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6838129 >ohhh goooddddd, sniffffff snifffffffff

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 20:44:38 2023 No.6838152 >>6838129 no, old manga is fucking shit I’ve read that whole piece of shit and I still don’t know who the fuck elven is or what he lied about, it’s all just gratuitous gore porn

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:20:35 2023 No.6838197

>>6838129
You're just cherry picking. If you knew Japanese, you'd know that the Japanese have graded charts of artists and mangaka they rank as good and bad, and the Elfen Lied artist has never ranked high. Another one that's always ranked low is the Zetsubou Sensei artist.

It's almost like the Japanese are not a borg mind and they have varying degrees of skill, just like Western artists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 21:46:58 2023 No.6838230 File: 55 KB, 1280x720, WIN_20230911_14_44_35_Pro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6838129 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gsAz6S_zSw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZcUAPRRac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-8IuUkJJc

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:45:34 2023 No.6838267 >>6838197 Source: my ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 22:52:33 2023 No.6838274 >>6838267 >le ebin eop reverse psychology I’m not an eop, so my IQ is over 80 and that means I’m too intelligent to fall for it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:16:01 2023 No.6838296 >>6838267 They're 5chan threads. Why is it so hard to believe a bunch of Japanese who consume manga like water wouldn't stack anime and manga against each other? I'm not going to spoonfeed a retarded Westoid.

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:29:22 2023 No.6838305
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>>6838197
>Another one that's always ranked low is the Zetsubou Sensei artist.
>unique stylized art BAD
>my heckin 351st take on Kishimoto and Kubo slop style with ebic dynamic perspective shots, good!
bit heartwarming to know troglodyte faggot taste is just the human condition everywhere

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:37:47 2023 No.6838312 >>6838305 >Kishimoto and Kubo slop style what the fuck do those two even have in common, are you retarded?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:41:40 2023 No.6838315

>>6838312
>what do two shounen authors published in the same magazine, working at the same time period, whose most popular work is considered part of a manga "Big 3", have in common?
I would have named someone more contemporary but I don't know what zoomies are watching/reading these days. Bocchi??

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:43:50 2023 No.6838317 >>6838315 >style read your own posts, you dumb fucking nigger, what do they have in common in the context of style?

Anonymous Mon Sep 11 23:47:32 2023 No.6838320

>>6838317
I realize you, likely being an individual who sympathizes with the purported Japanese view, think Kishimoto and Kubo are wildly different artists. And in some technical ways they may be. But in the grand scheme of comic art, they're quite alike. They use common manga visual idioms, stylings, and storytelling techniques that are easy for children to understand, and have a conventional mass appeal kind of style. Not sure what you're not getting, you're not autistic are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:00:44 2023 No.6838324 >>6838320 you’re a fucking retard, never reply to me again

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:03:08 2023 No.6838326 >>6838324 (reply)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:14:54 2023 No.6838333 File: 330 KB, 668x1082, zetsu-00001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6838305 I enjoy his art for what it is, but come on. The Japanese are right on this one. He's just not very skilled compared to high tier mangaka.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:28:45 2023 No.6838353

>>6838333
This is...good?
I mean he's cheating on the hands a bit but who gives a fug
Maybe it's just something being lost in translation, maybe (probably) the other anon is just some kind of retard who doesn't know what he's talking about, but in no way is this "bad" (his word, ranked "good and bad") or unskillful
He simply has entirely different design goals from a more conventional style. People think it's easy to draw consistently like this, it's not

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:40:56 2023 No.6838359 >>6838353 Bad and good are relative terms. You can be bad among pros and still be better than 100% of /ic/

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:45:17 2023 No.6838363
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>>6838359
I just think it's weird how people try to rank artists doing entirely different things (and doing them well), like they don't recognize it's mostly a taste thing
Inoue or some other monster draftsman could never do this puncy graphic Zetsubou Sensei shit, but it's as if people think he actually could if he tried, like you just magically can do everything "if draw gud"
KJG famously struggled to draw a cute anime girl, and if you revived Sargent, he'd be hopeless at Milt Kahl's game, and vice versa
You are what you eat

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 00:54:50 2023 No.6838370

>>6838296
So we can just make up whatever shit we want as long as we say "source: some 5chan thread I will never link"? Imagine for a sec you were the person asking for source to back up some wild claim, would you seriously accept "I found it on reddit if you could read english you'd already know, no I won't spoonfeed you"?

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 01:57:30 2023 No.6838437

>>6838370
>"wild claims" that the Japanese have opinion on skill levels of mangaka
You wouldn't know Japanese to begin with and I'm not going to sift through a foreign board for you since it's far faster moving than the slowboard /ic/. If you don't think the Japanese rate their own mangaka, I honestly don't care. They're so autistic they'll categorize each animator individually on popular anime, ranking each individual animator's skill level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:43:54 2023 No.6838549 >>6838437 Doubling down on "just trust me bro" is not any more convincing. Again, try to imagine somebody saying something to you that you don't believe. Would you trust them at face value?

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 03:57:26 2023 No.6838566

>>6838549
Why the fuck are you asking me to "back up my claim" and do everything for you like I even care to begin with, your reddit faggot? I thought there were more /a/ people here that know exactly what I'm talking about, but I guess not.
>Would you trust them at face value?
Again, I don't care if you "don't believe me". Anyone with eyes can see Kumeta, who scores low, to the skill level of Kentaro Miura, who scores high. I'm not going to go through a decade old archive to find those images for you. Neither Zetsubou Sensei or Elfen Lied are new series, you know. I hate begger faggots. Lurk /a/ more if you really want to know the Japanese opinions on rankings like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 04:46:35 2023 No.6838608 >>6838566 Berserkfags are truly the midwits of anime subculture, the hyperrealist Morgan Freeman photocopyfags, if you will. Miura's shit is stiff and busy. Like looking at a zentangle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:03:12 2023 No.6838622 >>6838608 You're entitled to being wrong, but he's still better than Kumeta and the Japanese agree. You're probably low skill.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:11:13 2023 No.6838636 >>6838622 >le japanese agree And you think I care why, weeaboo faggot? His figures are objectively flat as fuck and his lines are sterile. His entire strategy is to dazzle tasteless nodraws and other casuals with a barrage of hatching.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:12:14 2023 No.6838637 >>6838636 The Japanese having an opinion on Japanese artists is relevant, yes. Post your art if you're so skilled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:19:06 2023 No.6838645 >>6838637 But you, anon, you will never be Japanese. Now have your first original thought and stop letting a foreign island people do all your thinking for you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:21:05 2023 No.6838647 >>6838645 I don't want to be Japanese, I'm white. Also, you haven't posted your art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:24:58 2023 No.6838652 >>6838647 Did I agree to? Post yours, Berserkfag. I'm in the mood for flat plate armor buried under 16 layers of clinically applied hatch marks

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:41:24 2023 No.6838663 >>6838652 I'm not a Beserkfag, lol. Why are you so sensitive? I just said the Japanese like Beserk (shocking) and you're breaking down. I don't care if you like crosshatching. He's still better than you.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 05:50:05 2023 No.6838674

>>6838663
He's honest to god not nearly the best example of an extremely technical draftsman. I just think it's a gay and uninformed take, is all. He's basically renderfagging in ink, it impresses normies but it's a little odd to puff him up as this ubermensch drawgod the way his fans do

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:01:36 2023 No.6838685

>>6838566
I used /a/ for over a decade, and I've been researching manga & making my own manga-style comics for almost as long. Still, why should I or anybody else take you on your word? You haven't said a single thing to back up your claim, only tried to justify why I should take your word at face value.
I don't know why you're getting so butthurt, but you don't appear to be able to make sense of what I'm saying so whatever, just drop it instead of filling the thread with more pointless crying.

>>6838674
>He's honest to god not nearly the best example of an extremely technical draftsman.
Nobody said he was, retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:04:08 2023 No.6838686 >>6838685 >nobody said he was Muh detailfags say it all the time. There are a sizable number of retards who think "more detail = gooder drawing," flat out

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:07:33 2023 No.6838690 >>6838686 Okay, let me reiterate: nobody you are currently arguing with ever made the argument you are trying to rebuke.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:15:46 2023 No.6838705
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>>6838690
It's implied when you too emphatically dicksuck his skill, while putting down "cleaner" looks. Miura almost objectively doesn't do anything noteworthy outside of his writhing, detailed hellscapes. If you're saying he's GOAT or even approximate to it I have to wonder on what basis. Shit, there are comic strip artists that mog his figure work, Watterson for example.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:45:43 2023 No.6838734

>>6838685
How am I butthurt for not wanting to spoonfeed you and getting decades old anime and manga rankings for you? Like, I'm not going to do it. Go do it yourself and ask around if it's so important to you. The rankings of 2ch and 5ch's opinions on Elfen Lied, Zetsubou Sensei and Beserk matter so much to you.

Anonymous Tue Sep 12 06:55:34 2023 No.6838741

>>6838705
I genuinely can't tell if this bait or not. So sunday comic strips and the equivalent of that, like Kumeta who have an ultra simplified style, are better than Miura? It just doesn't follow. Every artist you're talking about is completely different with completely different goals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 13:29:08 2023 No.6839077 >>6838705 You do not draw

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 15:12:07 2023 No.6839172 >>6839077 You do take dick

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 12 18:38:46 2023 No.6839404 >>6838305 glad to know my fellow kumetaheads wont stand for this slander

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 13 00:05:15 2023 No.6839778 >>6838705 >It's implied when you too emphatically dicksuck his skill Which nobody in this thread has done. Could you at least go argue with the dickriders you're talking about?

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