/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6823346]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous >>6820273

[Anonymous No.6823350]

>PICK A REFERENCE IMAGE
>STUDY IT
>POST RESULT

overwhelmed?
>zoom in and study a smaller portion

difficulties analyzing?
>boost contrast
>convert to greyscale
>copy layer - blur - subtract/divide to extract a faux "line work" from the ref

unsure what to study?
>copy the whole ref while asking yourself "how would my favorite artist draw this?"

[Anonymous No.6823352]

>>6823350
previous threads certified yesdraws

[Anonymous No.6823353]

>be me
>decide to actually use reference for once instead of winging it with shapes n shit
>actually turns out looking pretty good
>but I feel guilty and unsatisfied because I feel like I didn't "earn" the drawing I made
I didn't even trace, but I still feel like a fraud copier.
How do I use reference without feeling like I'm cheating?

[Anonymous No.6823367]

>>6823353
It’s not cheating. At all. That’s how drawing works. But if you can’t get over your weird hang up, then just draw it a second time from memory.

[Anonymous No.6823388]

Boys, what are we sketchin this wkend?

[Anonymous No.6823397]

>>6823388
don't know about you but i am going to draw that snake thrussy

[Anonymous No.6823400]

About half an hour. Pretty happy with this all things considered, even though the right leg is fucked.

[Anonymous No.6823402]

>>6823388
HAWT

[Anonymous No.6823406]

>>6823346
I can't find face tutorials that go beyond
>draw circle
>draw rest of face
Can someone help me if this looks off? I can't tell anymore

[Anonymous No.6823407]

>>6823353
Post the drawing?

[Anonymous No.6823409]

>>6823406
Marco Bucci - Understanding and Painting the Head
Find this course online. Not a difficult search, it's very beg-friendly

[Anonymous No.6823422]

I don’t draw anymore because of you assholes. It’s funny how much that upsets you retards.

[Anonymous No.6823425]

>>6823422
Ok

[Anonymous No.6823426]

Have a nice day

[Anonymous No.6823428]

total howie death

[Anonymous No.6823430]

>>6823422
We know you don't draw. You goal in posting here is to get attention, and since you are incapable of normal interaction due to your severe mental retardation, you settle for negative attention. Because negative attention is still preferable to irrelevance - which is what you face in your """art""" and possibly in your everyday life.

[Anonymous No.6823432]

>>6823422
PYW

[Anonymous No.6823434]

>>6823422
stop shitting up the thread and kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6823436]

>>6823350
>garbage or overly complicated lighting that will make the average /beg/ lose his mind
at least fucking try

[Anonymous No.6823438]

>>6823430
Dont care didn't read still got a (you)
Have a nice day or fuck you

[Anonymous No.6823441]

>>6823436
>Lose his mind
I've been drawing stuff I was in no way qualified to even attempt from day 1, going mad staring at the results is half the fun

[Anonymous No.6823444]

>>6823436
>he thinks studying a ref necessarily involves copying the lighting
>does not consider harsh lighting on oiled up body highlights the small and subtle forms for easier study
retard

[Anonymous No.6823447]

>>6823438
kill yourself
nobody will miss you
and the regulars in this thread will actually appreciate your death

[Anonymous No.6823448]

>>6822398
>>6823214
>>6823260
Any pointers?

[Anonymous No.6823449]

>>6823350
The cute whore sea or da forbidden pussy?

[Anonymous No.6823452]

Quick mantis sketches. They're very expressive for insects which makes them pretty fun to draw

[Anonymous No.6823454]

>>6823436
sorry you are right anon
now that i look at it, the lighting on the left figure is unusable FUCK
here, i boosted the contrast for you, now you can study it

oh the "KEK" watermark? well if you want a version without, you have to learn to increase the contrast of a picture in your drawing software of choice :3 i believe in you

while you are at it, perhaps read the original post that recommends boosting contrast, turning greyscale or even extracting lines from your reference to enhance the aspect of the ref that you wish to study you illiterate nigger lel

[Anonymous No.6823457]

>>6823353
Use the ref in different ways, not copying it closely. Turn the forms, break it, combine it with another ref. Use your imagination. Use ref as inspiration in ways that are unexpected.you may be doing simple figures or faces however and this advise is harder to apply. In that case, know that it's the way people have drawn for eons, only in very recent years has this no ref 360 noscope clout bullshit been popular. Before social media your art had to stand on its own, ref or not people may assume it was reffed, who'd know? but now images are uploaded with "30mins, no ref" etc. Causing psychic damage.

[Anonymous No.6823466]

>>6823350
I usually lay down a loose gesture then form out the anatomy, but I went from top to bottom all in ink. in still getting used to brush pens, may pick a wider selection. I struggle keeping steady and have a bad habit of going over my lines to "correct" the piece as I go on. I want to work on being more purposeful with my line work - as seen by her ribcage, hips and legs.

[Anonymous No.6823469]

>>6823466
hopefully better quality

[Anonymous No.6823470]

Today's gestures, 5min each. Will do something more finished later today.

[Anonymous No.6823478]

>>6823448
seems like your on the right path if you are self critiquing, but proportion and anatomy could use some work. Look at the elbows in the ref and how they are lined up and yours is off, when copying try to line up objects/body parts with each other.

[Anonymous No.6823483]

>>6823466
nice work with the brush, I have one too and its fun to mess around with. If you haven't try drawing with a pen or fountain pen, I find it helpful with learning not to erase every time.

[Anonymous No.6823490]

Today's daily drawings

[Anonymous No.6823492]

>>6823350
keep posting this bro

[Anonymous No.6823494]

>>6823492
from left to right
>soulless
>SOVL
>soulless

[Anonymous No.6823496]

I want to overdose on fentanyl and drift off peacefully but I'm scared that there is a hell

[Anonymous No.6823498]

>>6823496
kill yourself go post somewhere else you subhuman nigger

[Anonymous No.6823501]

I drew this

[Anonymous No.6823508]

trying to get used to drawing with markers

[Anonymous No.6823512]

>>6823496
Back to /r9k/

[Anonymous No.6823513]

>>6823350
Can you do this but with less degenerate pictures

[Anonymous No.6823522]

>>6823513
nothing stopping you from posting a collage of references yourself

also
>degenerate
are you some christian cuck that is overwhelmed by the nude human figure?

[Anonymous No.6823525]

>>6823350
loli fag kys

[Anonymous No.6823526]

>>6823483
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6823528]

>>6823400
crit please?

[Anonymous No.6823532]

>>6823350
You call THIS reference? You are like a little baby. Watch this.

[Anonymous No.6823538]

>>6823532
Also fuck this ART board for only allowing 4mb. What is this 2010?

[Anonymous No.6823540]

>>6823532
Nice refs. You really showed that other anon who is boss. I wish I could be such a great ref poster like you but I lack the talent. I will just use AI to create reference sets =( I wish I started posting references when I was younger, now I am too old to even start...

[Anonymous No.6823542]

>>6823540
I know man it fucking sucks, I'm not a great referencer myself, but I started downloading images from a really young age, but don't worry with alot of work you can do it to! I only have 10 terabytes, I heard of other anons saying they have 10 1tb m2 ssd's full of reference..mystical

[Anonymous No.6823545]

>>6823542
fuck I meant 100 ssd's now I look stupid god damn it

[Anonymous No.6823547]

>>6823532
>>6823538
>>6823540
>>6823542
>>6823545
Seek help.

[Anonymous No.6823546]

@6823525
(You)

[Anonymous No.6823551]

>>6823547
No..I don't think I will.

[Anonymous No.6823563]

>>6823454
>seething this hard over a simple comment
this nigga retarded

[Anonymous No.6823645]

>>6823350
fun refs

[Anonymous No.6823651]

Not sure if I should post this here or /fag/. I'm looking for feedback on the composition. Characters designs are in the bottom left.

[Anonymous No.6823661]

Friendly reminder to stop using social media.

I just realized the reason I felt like total shit, with zero motivation and unable to focus, like really, living on autopilot is social media. I was balls deep in shit like YouTube shorts. Literal brain cancer. And I just got fed up with all the shocking and disturbing stuff, and also other things.

I remember reading a comment here saying back in the old days you would be working with a master in the atelier, with no distractions, just spending every day living for your craft. I need that.

[Anonymous No.6823662]

>>6823661
speak for yourself brainrotted zoomer
not everybody's "social media use" consists of shorts and pointless drama on xitter

you lack focus and determination because you are weak. stopping social media use will not be the silver bullet you desperately hope it to be. and btw, you are using "social media" right in this moment faggot lmao. if you are serious, take your blogpost and fuck off and dont come back

[Anonymous No.6823665]

>>6823662
this
>>6823661
this isn't your blog, pyw or fuck off

[Anonymous No.6823670]

>>6823661
This is true. Also it distracts you with thinking about optimizing marketing on social media and obsessing over numbers. Its very addictive.

[Anonymous No.6823677]

things kind of fell apart after the portrait

[Anonymous No.6823719]

day 47
Had a weird dream while napping that I made a study of a portrait and then I drew the same girl with a mouth hook so I had to do it, that's divine inspiration
I wish I knew how to draw fluids using just lines because I wanted to add tears/snot/drool and I didn't know how
I dont know why my drawings end up with such super thin lines now, I gotta fix that up, maybe study some clip-art like pieces
For the first time in a few weeks I feel like I am improving, had a surge of endorphins firing off in my head

>>6823350
not feeling these references
>vanilla boring cropped softcore porn
>unnatural pose with unnatural lighting
>a child
>an image that looks ai generated
>picture of a snake thats 80% blur
>the most interesting ref so far but its whatever
>>6823454
i feel like someone will jack off to this image specifically because of your watermark
>>6823490
stop being good, it's annoying

[Anonymous No.6823725]

>>6823719
thank you for your unasked-for opinion, i have filed it under the category corresponding to your art skill and will happily ignore it when preparing the next set of references =)

[Anonymous No.6823728]

How can I ditch the habit of contour drawing?

After I do the gestures I should draw volume/perspective but I always go into the way of contour drawing.
I draw like shit because of that.
Is the way just trying to see volume and replicating it on canvas?
Damn My schizophrenia is affecting me bad.

[Anonymous No.6823730]

>>6823725
pyw

[Anonymous No.6823737]

>>6823728
Feel the form

[Anonymous No.6823738]

>>6823719
Looks like you're ready to try drawing traditionally. Not sure about the expression on the right tho.

[Anonymous No.6823744]

>>6823738
>drawing traditionally
hm? why would I stop drawing digitally
>Not sure about the expression on the right tho.
What dont you like about it?

[Anonymous No.6823745]

>>6823409
Does it work for drawing tranime?

[Anonymous No.6823746]

>>6823350
Ffs, anon. I'm still working through the set of 6 for the last one. Good references, though. Thank you for your work.

[Anonymous No.6823749]

30min

[Anonymous No.6823751]

I was not up to the challenge.
>>>/i/755791

[Anonymous No.6823754]

>>6823728
There's no need to ditch it, just don't make it a crutch in spite of everything else.
You can use shapes of value to describe the form, easy way to confirm you actually understand it, it'll push you into looking at ref or anatomy books, go slow, if you like drawing women then that's a safe start for practicing, use ref in black and white not to be distracted by color.
If you feel iffy about it, try using those contour lines as your underdrawing or sketch, then lower the opacity and focus on blocking those shapes of value, some people even trace their ref just to learn this, but if you want to integrate it to your process you can still use both for your final pieces, there are artist who like painting and rendering for their characters, others like that the lineart still shows in the end, look at this video as an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2hm544loqc&ab_channel=Laovaan
Shapes of value+edges
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTYGWfiZnMA&ab_channel=MarcoBucci
Even if you eventually go for the soft edge+airbrushy style for anime this is what you should see in your mind first.

[Anonymous No.6823777]

>>6823749
>symbol drawing
this is your mind in boxes

[Anonymous No.6823786]

>>6823737
Thanks but how?

[Anonymous No.6823787]

>>6823744
I like the expression but it feels like you're animating between two expressions.

[Anonymous No.6823788]

>>6823754
Thank you so much!

[Anonymous No.6823802]

>>6823787
Are you saying that the expression on the right doesn't look like the same person on the left?
Also what did you mean by trying to draw traditionally

[Anonymous No.6823806]

>>6823777
Expand

Also, checked

[Anonymous No.6823810]

>>6823802
>Are you saying that the expression on the right doesn't look like the same person on the left?
Yes she does look more Asian there, to a degree.
>Also what did you mean by trying to draw traditionally
couldn't hurt, you just look like you've got the makings of a major league pro so I want to see cedar wood on wood pulp.

[Anonymous No.6823815]

>>6823810
>She's squinting her eyes and having her nosed flattened by a nose hook
>She looks more asian now
Anon that's very racist!
perhaps I need to add more volumes to the cheeks and eyes when I'm drawing a squinting expression, to give the impression of a pinching movement rather than the eyes just being like that
Thanks for the feedback

[Anonymous No.6823820]

I did this as an excuse to use loomis and make my first steps into digital painting, its not traced btw
Need some opinions + advice on what to improve.

[Anonymous No.6823824]

I had fun drawing today.

[Anonymous No.6823832]

what am i doing wrong
i have no time

[Anonymous No.6823838]

>>6823350
That’s really… well, I appreciate the effort of getting refs for everyone to have fun with, but remember that most of us are beg as fuck, so subtle lighting and weird stuff is gonna be harder than usual for us to draw. Probably fewer people will attempt to draw this than if you had easier references. Still cool, though.
>>6823449
>>6823397
You two have given me a terrible idea. I’ll finish it tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.6823846]

What i if am cheater who cheats at cheating at art?

[Anonymous No.6823847]

My parents never signed me up for shit even though we could afford it. Like they couldn't be bothered. I drew as a kid and I was interested in piano, but they never made a move to sign me up to lessons, and instead let me play video games all day long. I'm not going to be like them when I have a kid.
Thanks for reading my seething blog

[Anonymous No.6823850]

what do you do after you know you've peaked with a piece of art and will never surpass it?

been toying around with stuff again but I can never nail hair in a charcoal medium, never happy with it

[Anonymous No.6823862]

[Anonymous No.6823864]

>>6823847
I can emphasize with you. not trying to make it a competition, but my sisters and I didn't really have those sort of opportunities available even if our parents might've wanted to put us in them. I was actually talking a couple weeks ago with my one sisters about our somewhat less-than-favorable childhood, but we both agreed that ultimately saying woe is me and complaining to our parents about it is not productive: all we can do is, like you said, try to lead a better life for your potential children and do what you can to make up for missed/once non-existent opportunities if you wish to pursue them. in short, no time like the present

[Anonymous No.6823867]

>>6823350
Source on top left? Perfect bodytype for a muse

[Anonymous No.6823874]

>>6823850
Raise your bar

[Anonymous No.6823915]

>>6823777
Don't crab him the symbol drawing is minimal

[Anonymous No.6823917]

>>6823400
crit please?

[Anonymous No.6823920]

started on meds map's render assignment

[Anonymous No.6823940]

Spheres are hard. Even if I manage to get a decent contour line it just goes to shit when I try cutting through the shape. It always becomes lopsided. And adding things on to a sphere is a challenge as well. Goddamn a tablet feels way worse than drawing on paper. At least I got some practice in.

TL;DR: How do I cut through shapes and make sure it stays even?

[Anonymous No.6823943]

>>6823940
Resize your images you spastic fuck. And try taping a piece of paper to your tablet, feels way better.

[Anonymous No.6823955]

>>6823920
where render?

[Anonymous No.6823985]

>>6823955
coming up soon™

[Anonymous No.6823997]

>>6823985
why would you show us your un-rendered rendering assignment

[Anonymous No.6824002]

[Anonymous No.6824005]

>>6823346
pls bring back good OP images for next thread

[Anonymous No.6824011]

I tried to draw myself

[Anonymous No.6824015]

[Anonymous No.6824023]

>>6823997
Because I felt like it

[Anonymous No.6824033]

>>6824015
nice

[Anonymous No.6824073]

Boob morning I'm here with another rough sketch.

[Anonymous No.6824074]

>>6823920
Done with the cylinders...Now for something easy: boxes
>Verification not required
Based 4chan gods acknowledging my grind..

[Anonymous No.6824101]

>>6823920
>>6824074
Boxes
Feels good being finished with studying for the day. Donuts and spheres tomorrow..

[Anonymous No.6824181]

>>6823719
>stop being good, it's annoying
Don't underestimate yourself anon, yours lines and anatomy are great

[Anonymous No.6824190]

>>6824074

You should make these have a clearer terminator.

>>6824101

Here too, push your values. The little highlight doesn't work to convey the form in these.

[Anonymous No.6824196]

holy shit this thread needs vilppu my god

[Anonymous No.6824199]

>>6824190
examples?

[Anonymous No.6824203]

>>6824002
nice work, especially the bottom one

[Anonymous No.6824235]

>>6823847
At least you played Art Academy on the DS, right?

[Anonymous No.6824259]

>>6824199

>>6824199

did you watch the lectures? if you don't understand what I am saying I would strongly suggest you watch them again. I did these as exercises as well some time ago but I think I deleted the psd since I can't find it atm. i did a quick and dirty paintover for you. Check your lightsource one some of these as well because i think some of these would look a little differently but I more or less didn't make corrections on that. Hope it helps. Another tip i'd give you is to do these exercises in grayscale for now.

[Anonymous No.6824270]

please tell me how broken is her torso doc

[Anonymous No.6824305]

>>6823847

Stop seething about that and draw NOW. You’re probably still very young, you just have to start.

[Anonymous No.6824350]

>>6823353
I don't like usibg refs because I fear I will end up drawing the same thing over and over. Kind of like I often draw heads in 3/4 view because that's how I practiced them.
Also, it's not like I can find refs for every pose imaginable and I can't manipulate the existing refs like other anon suggests, otherwise I wouldn't need to learn drawing anymore.
Pain

[Anonymous No.6824367]

>>6823820
pls respond

[Anonymous No.6824377]

>>6824259
I did watch the lectures
he said to pick a base color, then half between that and the darkest value is the shadow value
For the value between those, its 25% to the darkest value

[Anonymous No.6824386]

>>6824377

alright, good luck with the rest of the exercises.

[Anonymous No.6824390]

>>6824305
Draw WHAT

[Anonymous No.6824392]

>>6824390
kill yourself shizo

[Anonymous No.6824393]

>>6824386
why are you mad?

[Anonymous No.6824395]

>>6824392
Nigger.

[Anonymous No.6824408]

>>6823350
>>STUDY IT
Literally how
>>copy the whole ref while asking yourself "how would my favorite artist draw this?"
I have no favorite artists put probably every single one of them would say "uh i put this line here cause i felt like it"

[Anonymous No.6824411]

>>6824408
kill yourself you subhuman waste of oxygen

[Anonymous No.6824412]

>>6824408
Then don't draw, jesus fucking christ nobody cares if you do.

[Anonymous No.6824413]

>>6824390
>>6824395
>>6824408
kys spamming retard

[Anonymous No.6824414]

>>6824411
uh-huh. at least tell me you're not one of those that say "anyone can draw", i dont like hypocrites.

[Anonymous No.6824415]

>>6824408

Someone should post the "how to pet a dog" comic

[Anonymous No.6824416]

>>6824412
need i ask how again
>inb4 useless dog comic

[Anonymous No.6824428]

>>6824416
Trace the contour of the reference. Go and do it now. Keep tracing until you get a feel for the proportions and build some muscle memory for some lines. Then start a drawing with the reference to the side. "Trace" it again, but you hand is on the blank page this time, you are tracing it with an offset, get it? Do it.
If you feel the offset is too hard, draw a 4x4 grid on the reference, and the same exact grid on your page(measure it), this will help anchor you.

[Anonymous No.6824431]

>>6824390
>>6824395
>>6824408
>>6824414
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6824434]

>>6824416
>>6824390
>>6824395
>>6824408
>>6824414
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6824437]

for the love of god report the how shizo or he will derail the thread
>captcha TARD

[Anonymous No.6824446]

>>6823352
Is this correct?

[Anonymous No.6824449]

>>6824437
funnily enough last time i did get banned for 'trolling' so the jannies actually believe you that i'm just a trolling faggot when i'm trying to ask real shit here, did you get banned last time too for spamming?

[Anonymous No.6824450]

>>6824446
Drawing instead of arguing with the schizo - based. Looks good to me but you're better than me so pinch of salt and all that.
The left leg looks amazing

[Anonymous No.6824453]

>>6824416
>>6824390
>>6824395
>>6824408
>>6824414
>>6824449
kill yourself shizo

[Anonymous No.6824455]

Need crit on values before i start the rendering pls

[Anonymous No.6824457]

>>6824453
Just draw instead of arguing and he'll be gone
Captcha agahj

[Anonymous No.6824459]

>>6824453
I will take that as a yes.
>>6824428
I will try this tomorrow, for now it's sleep time

[Anonymous No.6824463]

>>6824459
You live in India or something?

[Anonymous No.6824469]

>>6824463
close enough

[Anonymous No.6824472]

>>6824455
It's shit. Squint your eyes. The brightest values are 2 vertical forms on left and right of character. They are not framing him. They are squeezing him. Composition and values are bad here.

[Anonymous No.6824476]

>>6824472
So i Need to get rid of the pillars?

[Anonymous No.6824479]

>>6824472
Also post work if you have any

[Anonymous No.6824526]

choco elf

[Anonymous No.6824532]

>>6824526
Not enough armpit hair

[Anonymous No.6824535]

>>6824476
>>6824479
Not him, but if you really think it’s not shit you need to get your eyes checked

[Anonymous No.6824537]

>>6824526
Cool, now values

[Anonymous No.6824538]

>>6824535
I’m trying to learn all the values thing

[Anonymous No.6824539]

>>6824538
If you want to do a value study, first of all DO GREYSCALE. It's a ridiculous idea to learn values in color. Background is also unnecesary

[Anonymous No.6824548]

>>6824539
I Need the background

[Anonymous No.6824553]

>>6824539
And the what? I work in procreate, i can’t transiate to black and white to colors

[Slowpoke No.6824555]

>>6824455
Many problems in your illustration.
What's the light source?
The sky and mountain on the back seem to indicate that the sun is at the top left, but the the road indicate that it is overcast, the pillar seems to be getting light from the left, while the character is getting light from the right. WHERE'S THE LIGHT COMING FROM? I don't know if u sued multiple references with different light sources, but you gotta choose one light source and stick with it for all the illustration.
All your values are really close. Even know that your lights are all over the place, I can hardly differentiate light from shadow.
I edited the illustration with multiply and overlay layers because I'm lazy. It lstill ooks muddy and awful, but I'm not interested in trying to understand nor paint over all your illustration.
Even looking really bad, you can tell my version has a clearer light source and it's easier to differentiate lights from shadows.

[Anonymous No.6824556]

>>6824553
>And the what? I work in procreate, i can’t transiate to black and white to colors
I literally don't know what that means.

[Anonymous No.6824558]

>>6824555
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6824562]

>>6824555
cool

[Anonymous No.6824566]

Horsie for today. 35 minutes from reference

[Slowpoke No.6824577]

>>6824566
Great use of textures anon. I'd use a harder brush on the front left leg (like you did on the back left leg), but it is still my favourite drawing so far

[Anonymous No.6824594]

>>6824577
Tyvm! I'll keep that in mind

[Anonymous No.6824607]

/beg/ here, taken some art classes in school and been focusing on figure drawing as of late.

Anyone have any exercises on making more confident lines? I find myself drawing multiple lines and then shaping with the eraser. It's kind of an issue.

Anyone have advice or an exercise to help?

[Anonymous No.6824609]

>>6824607
Use ink so you remove that eraser crutch and make sure to "ghost" the line a few times and imagine it on paper before actually putting it down.

[Anonymous No.6824622]

>>6824609
Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.6824637]

If I do these 20 minute references drawings every day will I see significant improvement? Also is it ok to change things about the reference pose like foot position and such?

[Slowpoke No.6824643]

>>6824637
I'd recommend doing gesture drawings to get more confident lines. 20min just to do an sketch like that is a lot of time.
I recommend doing one 30min class mode in https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing daily until you get more confident and can do something like your drawing but in 5 or 10 minutes.

[Anonymous No.6824644]

>>6824643
I'll check it out thanks!

[Anonymous No.6824647]

attaching legs now, It's really hard getting the proportions right

[Anonymous No.6824654]

tfw you get ignored

[Anonymous No.6824656]

>>6823400
>>6823528
>>6823917

>>6824654
Tell me about it

[Anonymous No.6824660]

How is the light and value in this one instead?

[Anonymous No.6824661]

>>6823400
I think it came out good for being a study,

[Anonymous No.6824675]

>>6824656
your shadow shapes lost some of the form on her right leg and right arm
you placed the spine/back centerline a little too low, the torso in the ref expresses more of its side plane, thickness
should have pushed more of the overlap between the right knee and left leg

t. i don't know how to render

[Anonymous No.6824687]

>>6824660
loomis or something

[Anonymous No.6824688]

>>6824675
Thank you, I couldn't really figure out how to twist the torso like the ref. Also can't believe how I didn't see that overlap, that'll look much better

[Anonymous No.6824711]

>>6824643
Thank you for this resource anon. Definitely gave me something to stretch my abilities.

[Anonymous No.6824717]

>>6822695
>>6822744
Not my art, but I'll show you some other artist's interpretation of my character (>>6822648)
You will see that their style totally -ACK!s mine
Catbox link cause big file
https://files.catbox.moe/kctf30.png

[Anonymous No.6824729]

>>6824660

Pretty cool anon. Try experimenting with some high value higgly saturated orange rimlight accents. Ithink adding a bit more light into it can take it tothe next level.

[Anonymous No.6824733]

>>6823346
Day 15 of learning, I tried to make my own drawing for the first time instead of doing a copy of another work, using multiple references to create a piece
i could spend hours picking apart the mistakes i made and trying to correct them but i feel it'd just be a waste of time ultimately

please respond with criticism and critique, and be justly harsh in areas I have major fuckups in!

[Anonymous No.6824735]

>>6824729
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6824738]

>>6824687
There’s something about light in creative illustrations? Post work also

[Anonymous No.6824739]

>>6824733
you're still symbol drawing a lot
like when you're trying to use that hand reference try to accurately reproduce the shapes you see

[Anonymous No.6824740]

>>6824733
You need line confidence, anon. Practice making straights and curves. Might want to use a brush with some opacity jitter to make the lines more interesting too

[Anonymous No.6824745]

>>6824733

It's good that you're having fun with drawing and are trying to draw things from imagination after copying more established artists. For now I think that's the most important because there are still too many things you need to improve on that really can only get better with mileage. Keep going anon.

[Anonymous No.6824748]

>>6824393

NTA but you're kind of a dick in your reaction. He was trying to help you and you went 'ackshually'. I can see how that can rub someone the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.6824752]

the fact that I can't draw decent curves without stabilization above 50 really makes me feel like an irredemable shitter

[Anonymous No.6824755]

>>6824739
>you're still symbol drawing a lot
some people keep saying this but I don't think I really understand WHAT i'm symbol drawing
can you point out specifics within what I did that constitutes symbol drawing? so I know what to be on the lookout for
>>6824740
yeah I 100% still have trouble with line confidence, my issue with straight lines is for some reason vertical lines staying straight just completely fucks me, they always seem to curve, also lines going from top left to bottom right. as far as the brush suggestion, i'm not sure what you mean by "opacity jitter"

[Anonymous No.6824759]

>>6824755
>i'm not sure what you mean by "opacity jitter"
A brush whose opacity changes depending on the pen pressure.
Anyway, you're thinking about mistakes and deciding on a personal project this early on, so GMI.

[Anonymous No.6824763]

fear and hungering rn

[Anonymous No.6824766]

>>6823350

[Anonymous No.6824781]

>>6824755
any part where you don't know what it looks like (anatomy, shapes), haven't figured out how it should look like (from that angle or perspective etc), so you draw a bad guess
some examples are the neck and shoulders, her left hand, the pleats of the skirt, the sitting pose and how it should interact with the skirt
no worries though keep at it anon

[Anonymous No.6824782]

While reading Bleach I thought copying this guy would be good practice to get a better feeling for the forms of the face. I'll do more tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.6824786]

When is my shoulder going to stop getting sore from drawing?
I was drawing consistently for at least 30 minutes for 11 days and my shoulder felt like it was going to fall off so I took a week off and am now starting up again my shoulder is starting to get really sore after just 2 hours of drawing

[Anonymous No.6824789]

>>6824782
I used to watch Bleach a little bit back in the day and I always loved Mayuri's character design. there were a lot of other cool character designs on that show too afair

[Anonymous No.6824790]

>>6824002
I've always wanted to draw cars, and these are beautiful.

[Anonymous No.6824793]

>>6824786
you have bad posture, bad technique, and/or some previous shoulder problem. look into good posture and proper drawing technique and try to fix those first. if they don't work you either aren't using proper posture and technique yet or you need to see a doctor

[Anonymous No.6824796]

>>6824729
Thanks man, you were right, with an high value orante it turned out very nice, in this days i will Try to work in it

[Anonymous No.6824801]

day 48
next time I will concentrate on characters w/backgrounds
Hey, quick question, how am I supposed to hold a stylus? Seems like the way masters hold their pencil is way different than the grip you use for writing, so what's the digital art grip?

>>6824766
I feel like offering advice but i don't want to crab on you with my dunning kruger so i will just stay quiet
>>6824637
thanks for the ref king, the feet you drew are a bit small but otherwise looking good and juicy
>>6824196
thx for the ref lad
>>6823920
what course is this?

[Anonymous No.6824807]

>>6824782
>This guy
his name is Kurotsuchi Mayuri, you fuck

[Anonymous No.6824870]

Watching this guy's podcast on YouTube (hubermanlab).

Tried to draw some other shit and it came out really bad. Tried drawing him and it came out somewhat better.

I've been having a real shit one so I'm trying to get back into regular practice.

Also, I just inherited some money so can anyone recommend good furniture/equipment for drawing? I'm going to be replacing most of my furniture so if there's any good recommendations on stuff that's a good value I'm all ears.

[Anonymous No.6824874]

Alright crabs, here is the deal: you have to draw pic with same scope in full color in better quality than mine or you will be boiled alive and then eaten in chinese restaurant. i hope you will shut up for your own good

>>6824801
if your tablet is small and or is sitting flat on table the only way how to grip stylus is tripod or its slight variations. only when you are drawing in trad on BIG / tilted canvas only then different grips start to make sense. google
>tripod grip pencil
>>6824786
bad ergonomics, fix it before your shoulder explodes
>>6824763
cute
>>6824752
stabilizer is cope, without stabilizer your lines will in time stop being wobbly. with stabilizer your lines will always be fucked up one way or another
>>6824733
keep drawing. if you havent, go do keys to drawing or similar beg book
>>6824660
very cool, i hope the dragon will have red glow coming from that orange parts
>>6824637
>significant
idk about significant, but drawing from ref is absolutely necessity to climb from this crab hole
>>6824566
EEEEEY horse
>>6824270
i am not anatomy expert, but it looks fine to me
>>6823862
finally your accuracy improved
>>6823850
draw more, think less?
>>6823820
there is nothing to improve, i kneel
>>6823661
idk i just PYW there and move on. gotta build that ecred somehow
>>6823651
it is very symmetrical which is usually bad but you have so many shapes breaking the symmetry its very good and cool. i kneel
>>6823508
very nice kakashi, you missed on art gains by putting some porn symbol on the book though
>>6823490
i kneel
>>6823400
coomable
>>6824870
the few art basements (ateliers) i saw all had BIG ASS table, 99 book shelves with art books and then 999 boxes and drawers full of art supplies. and if you are tradchad then its obvious you want some canvas holder for that En plein air painting. If you want to go digital then you just need comfy chair you can adjust so it fits under table and can rotate when life gets too unbearable

[Anonymous No.6824877]

>>6824526
>>6824537
I'm trying to do something in monochrome, like a manga
>>6824874
cool crabs bro

[Anonymous No.6824880]

>>6824877
It's gonna be a lot to take in anon, but manga has values.
Also, monochrome does not mean just black and white with nothing in between. It just means one hue/chroma.

[Anonymous No.6824893]

>>6824801
Day 48 of what? That looks good

[Anonymous No.6824911]

>>6824874
>EEEEEY horse
>i kneel
Thanks for being the only person replying to my drawings Pawell, appreciate it

[Anonymous No.6824916]

>>6824874
golden legendary pawell post

[Anonymous No.6824917]

>>6823350
>>6823838
Forgive me. I couldn’t help myself.
>Chimera monstergirl snake thrussy

[Anonymous No.6824921]

>>6824880
I'm having fun with tones right now
but now I have to figure out how to make them overlap to make the shade

[Anonymous No.6824925]

>>6824874
>in better quality than mine
it's literally over, holy shit

[Anonymous No.6824926]

>>6824874
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6824949]

Drawring

[Anonymous No.6824952]

>>6824874
>draws an entire beach of crabs or some autistic shit because he's seething
>he does that instead of drawing the thing he's supposed to be grinding for to easily prove everyone wrong
it's ironic how pawell just affirms every insult against him

[Anonymous No.6824979]

I need some critique on her figure and general proportions, this a draft.
I know the hand is a mess, would also like a few pointers if possible
I'd love to be able to make small meme drawings like this fast.

[Anonymous No.6824985]

Been working on this. I can’t get the legs right. How do I do legs and also gimme critique or whatever on what I already have plz and thank you

[Anonymous No.6824991]

Cramming Takamoto's Fred into 9 vertical cm.

[Anonymous No.6824995]

>>6824985
kill yourself scum

[Anonymous No.6824996]

>>6824985
jesus christ you are a disgrace to all right wingers on the planet
not only does the arm need to point up instead of straight forward, the wrist is bend ever so slightly DOWN not up in a proper salute. also, the arm is pointing straight forward, not to the side like in your picture as evident by the rotation of the ribcage
unless you are drawing hitler who gets away with putting his own spin on the nazi salute based on the vibe in the moment, you need to get this shit right
0/10 possibly a crypto jew behind that piss poor depiction of a nazi

[Anonymous No.6824998]

>>6824996
You’re the one saying “Nazi”, you’re the Jew
>>6824995
Sorry it isn’t the prolapsed anus horse porn you’re accustomed to, tranny

[Anonymous No.6825006]

>>6824921
nice, what is your endgoal btw? making coom doujins or something else?

[Anonymous No.6825007]

>>6823346
It's september and I still haven't been able to get anywhere in art. Too bad I started when I was 30, if I started when I was 3 it would have worked.

[Anonymous No.6825013]

>>6824998
You’re not going to make it if you reject advice like that. I recommend using reference. You’ll see anon’s right about the salute.

[Anonymous No.6825016]

doing back studies, the human back looks pretty much nothing like it's described in figure drawing books, superb
there is just no substitute for real life

>>6824874
>if your tablet is small and or is sitting flat on table the only way how to grip stylus is tripod or its slight variations
I've read something about a "vertical grip" basically parallel to the tablet surface, unlike the traditional writing grip which is rougly a 45 angle, have you heard of that?
>>6824893
day 48 since I started blogging here when I realized /justdraw/ was just leading me to stagnate or even regress

[Anonymous No.6825018]

>>6825013
I didn’t reject the advice I said you’re a subversive kike. Also I’ll draw the arm in whatever position I want. You didn’t criticize how it was drawn but the position. Therefore dilate

[Anonymous No.6825020]

>>6824985
I'll be blunt anon: Your political inclinations have doomed you. Look at the leftoids seething at your post, they're the ones who, whether you like it or not, have a far greater talent for art. They're able to push their boundaries more, which even you recognize going by >>6824998. Their knowledge in this area improves their technical expertise.

Stick to prompting and/or commissioning.

[Anonymous No.6825021]

>>6825016
How long did it take you to do these? What technique did you use?
>day 48 since I started blogging here when I realized /justdraw/ was just leading me to stagnate or even regress
What did you do afterwards?

[Anonymous No.6825024]

>>6825020
The leftoids replying haven’t even posted anything, how can you say they are better? Also I drew this for fun nigga I’m not trying to make a career, you niggas on this board are something else. I’d rather draw something shitty than draw soulless cooker slop

[Anonymous No.6825028]

>>6825024
Coomer*
You know what I mean

[Anonymous No.6825030]

>>6825006
you're goddamn right

[Anonymous No.6825033]

>>6825024
>The leftoids replying haven’t even posted anything, how can you say they are better?
Go look at every other drawing posted in this thread. All of them, to a ex-man, are by leftists and they get extremely mad when you start espousing conservative opinions.

>I drew this for fun nigga I’m not trying to make a career
Same as almost everyone else here. The only difference between drawing for fun and drawing professionally is that you get paid for the latter.

>I’d rather draw something shitty
That's the spirit! So why are you asking for advice you'll reject out of hand? That one anon provided a breakdown of everything wrong with the positioning of the arm, and all you did was seethe at him. I don't blame you for that, because he was clearly providing advice in bad faith, but you have to know your limits.

>>6825028
Stop parroting discord memes.

[Anonymous No.6825040]

>>6825033
I called him a kike because he seethed at me first. My point was that he said the arm and hand weren’t positioned 1:1 on how a Roman salute should be preformed, so what? It wasn’t completely misshapen. That nigga didn’t “breakdown” anything, he said my arm was in a dumb position and then said some schizo shit. And finally, no, I will not stop calling coomers what they are because it makes them seethe, evident by you

[Anonymous No.6825046]

>>6825040
>so what?
>also gimme critique or whatever on what I already have
That's what.
>nigga
dumb leftoid, it's nigger
>some schizo shit
open an anatomy book
>it makes them seethe
the only thing making anyone seethe is seeing how easily you got brainwashed

[Anonymous No.6825053]

>>6825046
Nigga I already said a million times that niggas criticism was retarded. I can hold my hand out in the exact position that the person in my pic is and it would look the same. He was being autistic and saying it wasn’t positioned higher. Lastly, how am I brainwashed? What the fuck are you been saying at this point? Actual schizo

[Anonymous No.6825055]

>post art rife with mistakes on art critique board
>a mistake gets pointed out fairly and how to fix it
>throw a hissyfit

every time

[Anonymous No.6825058]

>>6825053
>I can hold my hand out in the exact position that the person in my pic is and it would look the same.
so fucking what? what does that have to do with the salute?
>how am I brainwashed?
try reading what others have said in replies to you
>What the fuck are you been saying at this point?
actual ESL moment

[Anonymous No.6825061]

Who else has a mirror at their table so they can understand a reference they're looking at?

[Anonymous No.6825062]

>>6825055
Nigga I’m not throwing a fit. It’s not a mistake I meant to draw his arm more down. Just admit you didn’t like it because it isn’t incest furry shitting dick nipple garbage and move on

[Anonymous No.6825063]

>>6825062
>It’s not a mistake
so the arm suddenly turning flat is not a mistake?

[Anonymous No.6825065]

>>6825063
Yes and that is an actual criticism I thank you for. The other nigga was mad his arm wasn’t positioned higher

[Anonymous No.6825066]

>>6823350
>>>/i/755920

[Anonymous No.6825072]

>>6825018
I’m not that guy, fren. Simmer down some and try not to take things so seriously. we’re all trying to learn. It’s not a good strategy to ask for feedback only to attack those who offer some. Anon was giving you advice about the gesture of the pose itself, which is a very important part of drawing. You should learn to feel the form, because the whole drawing is flat. The medals and stuff on his chest should go into perspective, but you’ve drawn them flat and straight on.

And practice anatomy. Also, you should study heads and hands in particular because they’re really hard to draw. Look at the distance of the fingertips relative to the end of the thumb. I recommend doing gesture drawings as well, so you can get a better sense of how to capture the whole figure and get a feel for the spirit of the pose, even when you don’t draw the whole thing. That should help you understand how to connect legs to your figures.

Oh, I forgot to mention, you should probably start with either drawing on the right side of the brain, or keys to drawing.
>>6825033
Pretty sure red blob senpai isn’t remotely on the left, and I’m a lolbertarian.
>>6825066
Lovely. We should be able to see part of her left (on our right) eye, I think.

[Anonymous No.6825081]

>>6825072
Ok thank you for the criticism. I let my ego get out of control and upon further thought I realize original guy was right. And thank you as well for adding more criticism that I can work on. I feel retarded, sincere apologies. I still think all you coomer retards should hang though

[Anonymous No.6825086]

>>6825081
It’s okay, fren. Art is very personal for lots of people, and criticism of our art can feel like criticism of ourselves.

[Anonymous No.6825088]

>>6825086
Yeah I realize that, I should have humbled myself.

[Anonymous No.6825107]

>>6825033
>The only difference between drawing for fun and drawing professionally is that you get paid for the latter
You never got paid to draw anything then. Doing art "professionally" sucks, it hurts your soul, because you end hating that wich you love and fuels your dreams and hopes. That's why artists end up hating and dropping commission work, and then try to build a crowd behind some patreon model of sorts, but reaching that level of clout it's not that easy. Most of them will never make it.
It is much preferable to live frugally on a minimal wage salary and do art for fun, to keep you soul healthy.

[Anonymous No.6825118]

>>6825024
kill yourself
>>6825021
>How long did it take you to do these?
I dunno, I was kinda multitasking, 90 minutes for each jpg I posted split across a few bursts of productivity
>What technique did you use?
Well, you feel the form, then you melt down the entire image into a blob like it's wax in zero gravity, then you flesh it out, starting with the biggest indentations and ending on the smallest notches and ridges, but never going out of order
>What did you do afterwards?
Well a little bit of everything, maybe I will make an imgur gallery when I get to 50 so everyone can see my stagnation and laugh at me
I started by stacking boxes in various perspectives, then I moved onto various studies, trying to improve on what I sucked at

[Anonymous No.6825122]

>>6825118
You first, faggot

[Anonymous No.6825134]

>>6824979
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.6825136]

>>6823346
Hello, is this where I come for critique on my goblin coomer picture

[Anonymous No.6825137]

>>6825072
>red blob senpai
who

[Anonymous No.6825139]

In case you were wondering: no, I did not draw today

[Anonymous No.6825140]

>>6825107
>You never got paid to draw anything then
Of course not, I can't draw!
>Doing art "professionally" sucks,
Yes, yes, but the skills are all the same. The only difference is that you have to deal with right wingers like me who get angry at you for not listening to our explicit instructions and fucking off to do whatever.

[Anonymous No.6825142]

>>6825118
>Well, you feel the form, then you melt down the entire image into a blob like it's wax in zero gravity, then you flesh it out, starting with the biggest indentations and ending on the smallest notches and ridges, but never going out of order
what
>I started by stacking boxes in various perspectives
lucky, I can't even draw a coherent box
>then I moved onto various studies
which were?

[Anonymous No.6825146]

>>6825139
Congrats! WNMI

[Anonymous No.6825154]

>>6825146
high five, nigga!

[Anonymous No.6825157]

>>6825142
>What
I drew it out for you
>which were
Whatever I couldn't draw, skulls, muscles, faces, bodies, fruit, lineart
I say don't take my advice untill I make it
And drawing a coherent box is literally a line tool and 2 vanishing points, you can do it I believe in you

[Anonymous No.6825158]

>>6825140
True my nigga you’re right I see it now. I’m gonna learn more and get so good at this shit I’m gonna put every lefty coomer to shame so bad they’ll kill themselves. Thanks for giving me another goal to work towards

[Anonymous No.6825159]

>>6825066
Nice shapes and colors overall, but the arms look pretty weak both anatomy and perspective-wise. I'd focus your studies on those for a bit.

[Anonymous No.6825178]

>>6825158
Sorry man, but I've been there, done that. We're not cut out for the art world. I hope you learn this before you throw away years of your life on this shit.

[Anonymous No.6825179]

>>6825157
>I drew it out for you
that doesn't tell me anything about how you held the pen, or how hard you pressed on the canvas, or anything else
>you can do it I believe in you
I heard the same thing years ago. Guess what, I couldn't.

[Anonymous No.6825240]

>>6825179
>guess what, I couldn't
potential =/= necessity

[Anonymous No.6825253]

>>6823469
Very groovy
>>6823651
The center an left look great, but through that the one on the right feels boring by comparison. She looks great, but her background doesn't mesh well with the other two as well as it could.
>>6824566
Groovy, great color work and depth.

[Anonymous No.6825256]

>>6824002
nice, where did you learn this method?

[Anonymous No.6825257]

>Keys to drawing exercises ask you to have a model pose for 30-40 minutes
Shit, this book literally wants me to get a girlfriend to make it. I will try, but I'll use teddy bears in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.6825258]

>>6825257
>I'll use teddy bears in the meantime
pinterest is also good

[Anonymous No.6825266]

i cant draw bodies they look so fucking wonky

[Anonymous No.6825279]

Project 2 F - Alternating Free and Control hands

>>6824763
anon that's very cute, saved

>>6823749
I'm a beg so keep this in mind but IMO
it would look a looot better without the harsh black line. You use the paint brush to imply shading, and you use the black pen to include detail, but they totally clash, because the paint has delicate variations, and the line doesn't. The back muscles are carefully rendered, but the lines on the ass are harsh.

>>6823940
Obvious question but, are you using your shoulders and drawing your ellipses in one continous line? From here it seems a bit like you are using fingers and chicken scratching. I dont draw digitally tho.

>>6824011
Anon, are you this jacked? This makes me respect you even more.

>>6824073
Very based, keep up

>>6824566
That's a based horse.

>>6824607
Drawabox first few exercises.

>>6824801
Wish that guy was me

>>6824874
gigabased, smash the crab

>>6825266
you can bro, keep drawing i believe in you, never back down, never give up

[Anonymous No.6825283]

>>6825266
You're prebeg, drawing figures are too hard for you right now.
I suggest practicing drawing straight lines, curved lines, circles and ovals.
Then read up on perspective rules and start practicing drawing simple forms like boxes, cylinders, cones and spheres
From there on you can begin combining simple forms into complex forms.
Then read about light and shadow, or "rendering", and start applying values to your forms to turn them into shapes.
Now try and draw still life. Begs underestimate the value of doing still life, but its extremely helpful because it helps you to practice observation, which helps you with accuracy of line placement, shapes, angles, values etc
There's a ton of information I've neglected telling you because it might do more harm than good (information overload is bad), so I suggest trying what I've lined up for you and just take your time.

[Anonymous No.6825293]

>>6823749
>>6825279
Here is a drawing to demonstrate my point. I only focused on erasing the harsh black lines and simplifying some shapes. IMO less is more, if you dont have time to finish parts, keep it vague

[Anonymous No.6825307]

>>6825283
im drawing on my phone with an s-pen, idk how good im gonna be able to get at drawing circles and straight lines desu. theres like no friction.. how long should i spend drawing basic shapes and is that really going to translate to figures? is there a good video or something on the very basic fundamentals? i dont wanna suck forever bro, i just wanna be able to draw anime at work

[Anonymous No.6825311]

>>6823920
LETSS GOOOO
Still not done yet, need to alter pieces of the forms and assign darker values to them
But first, a break from the practice and just draw whatever I want!

[Anonymous No.6825315]

im pretty sure i hold a pencil wrong for drawing too. i hold it like the left pic because im left handed and if i hold it like the right pic it digs into the paper while trying to write, especially in cursive, so trying to hold it like the right pic feels very unnatural.
inb4 nails are long. i know i only cut them when they get in the way of playing guitar (which they currently are) and ill cut them before i play next

[Anonymous No.6825323]

>>6825315
>those long ass nails
nigga cut them shits
>everything else
don't care

[Anonymous No.6825325]

>>6825024
Please kill yourself immediately.

[Anonymous No.6825329]

you mess with the octo you get the glockto. im gonna add some cast shadows for the remaining tentacles and on the ground to give it a sense of belonging.

[Anonymous No.6825336]

>>6825323
nigga im gonna mail you my fuckin nail clippings if you keep it up

[Anonymous No.6825351]

>>6824979
just learn proportion if you want to draw figures. Her arm is too long and her hand is too small. The size of a hand is around the size of the face. The length of the arm from shoulder to elbow is around the bottom of the rib cage and elbow to hand is around the crotch area. Do timed gesture drawing if you want to learn how to draw fast.

[Anonymous No.6825353]

>>6824996
>disgrace to all right wingers on the planet
implying nazis arent leftist lmao, nazi and communism are two faces of the same coin you ameritard, unfortuantely your media and schools only tell you one is bad and the other is good

[Anonymous No.6825355]

wait am i supposed to do 6 pages of EACH of these exercises? gat damn boi thats a lot of paper

[Anonymous No.6825362]

>>6825355
i honestly would just skip that part

[Anonymous No.6825363]

>>6825315
Get yourself an adult sized pen. This thing looks like it's going to give you carpal tunnel in no time.

[Anonymous No.6825364]

>>6825362
which part should i start on? lesson two from this guy or the next thing listed in the sticky google doc?
i figure ill do one page of those exercises at least to see where im at

[Anonymous No.6825369]

>>6825363
i ordered pic rel, im just going to draw on paper till it gets here. the s pen is aids

[Anonymous No.6825380]

>>6825364
start with the excercises you want to do, those that look fun and / or useful

[Anonymous No.6825419]

OH MY FUCKING GOD IM IMPROOOOVING
AHHHHHHH, IM GONNA IMPROOOOOOV
Who needs video games when you can get this kind of dopamine spikes from IMPROOOVING
god I'm fucking rock hard

[Anonymous No.6825421]

>>6825279
>Wish that guy was me
I didn't even draw a guy

[Anonymous No.6825426]

>>6825419
i think the first one looks better

[Anonymous No.6825432]

>>6825426
She looks like a tard in the first one, stop crabbing.

[Anonymous No.6825433]

>>6825419
>literal floating anime head

who asked

[Anonymous No.6825434]

I want to get really good at drawing from life. Around 8 years ago I was into drawing, attended life drawing classes, did maybe 1/2 of some /beg/ book (keys to drawing maybe), but then I kinda fell off.

I drew this girl who was sleeping in the same room as me this week. I think I more or less captured the pose but I didn't go into much details. Maybe it's not a very "serious drawing", because I just whipped it up in like 10 minutes, but I figured I would include it to help my post have some more visibility.

Should I just draw everything I want and grind like that or is there some theory or book I should take a look at concurrently? I remember stuff like measuring with the pencil, drawing imaginary lines to check proportions, drawing negative space, but I never learned much about construction for example and simplifying into elemental shapes.

[Anonymous No.6825436]

>>6825432
she looks like she has FAS in the second one lol

[Anonymous No.6825439]

>>6825419
well done anon! keep improooving
>>6825433
>who asked
I did.

[Anonymous No.6825479]

>>6825434
The thing about these drawing tools is that they're like diets. They all work as long as you stick to them. Keys and Right Side focus more on just drawing what you see while Art and Science of Drawing and FWaP are more about construction using basic shapes the former being observational and the latter being cartooning from imagination. Good artists combine these tools in a way that works for them rather than strictly using one method.

[Anonymous No.6825488]

could anyone give suggestions as to how i could potentially colour this? I want to make a nice illustration with good lighting, but am at a bit of a loss.

[Anonymous No.6825494]

>>6825488
what 3D program is that on the upper right corner? been looking for 3D software wher ei can pose figures for ref freely and is free

[Anonymous No.6825500]

>>6824917
This is my fetish

[Anonymous No.6825502]

>>6824874
You didn't draw, you painted. Big difference.

[Anonymous No.6825505]

>>6824917
I heard that in indian they remove the teeth from cobras and rape them all they long, they survive barely on the poos cum

[Anonymous No.6825511]

first attempt at a piece without lineart. It's just the rough colour blocks till now. Do they look ok ok or does it look too simple for a critique yet?

[Anonymous No.6825520]

>>6825500
Oh, good. Thanks, I think
>>6825505
>I heard that in indian they remove the teeth from cobras and rape them all they long,
Well that’s not good.
>they survive barely on the poos cum
That reminds me of another idea I had. I might draw it later but it’s pretty much blatant coom and I’m feeling conflicted about whether I wanna draw such things.

I guess… if I draw some coom, it doesn’t make me a coom artist as long as I draw other stuff, r-right?

[Anonymous No.6825536]

>>6825520
>doing/not doing what others like to please others knowing you can't please everyone
>doing what pleases yourself knowing it's what you truly desire and discovering that others are also pleased by it

/ic/ is either helping you, or getting in your way. Chastising artists for erotic illustration is crab behavior.

[Anonymous No.6825546]

>>6825240
>potential =/= necessity
for drawing boxes?

[Anonymous No.6825588]

>>6825355
No, he shows you at the end how to partition the page for the exercises

[Anonymous No.6825590]

I need to specialize. Problem is, I don't know what I want to draw. COOM? Comic? SciFi? Fantasy? I forgot why I even started to learn.

[Anonymous No.6825636]

>>6825590
All of the above for me. I wanted to draw edgy serious pictures, and also goofy semi-fetishy pictures, I wanted to draw scifi, I wanted to draw fantasy, I wanted to draw science fantasy, I wanted to draw romcoms, I wanted multiple styles inspired by different artists that were contradictory.

That's why I eventually gave up, too much work for no results, there are no individual artists I can turn to. Thank god for AI.

[Anonymous No.6825652]

first time using airbrush, I haven't the slightest idea what I'm doing. Also, do I have enough skill to start studying lighting or do I need to grind more fundies?

[Anonymous No.6825670]

>>6825652
I don't think I've ever seen anyone shade a figure with the airbrush

[Anonymous No.6825680]

>>6825636
>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.6825681]

>>6825680
I threw in that last sentence for you so your feelings wouldn't be too hurt :)

[Anonymous No.6825682]

>>6825494
koikatsu. typically though, i stick to photo ref and don't use 3d stuff

[Anonymous No.6825683]

>Anyone can learn to draw!
>Wait, draw AND learn something else? fuck that, I'll hire someone

Why do artists immediately abandon their creed as soon as it involves a subject besides drawing?

[Anonymous No.6825685]

>>6825488
How are you getting hair from a bald head?

[Anonymous No.6825687]

>>6824002
>Krenz
I kneel

[Anonymous No.6825688]

>>6825315
>>6825323
You what? Those things are short as shit. Let 'em grow

[Anonymous No.6825689]

>>6825636
>I eventually gave up
Post your work, Crab.

[Anonymous No.6825690]

>>6824002
I'm not seeing it.

[Anonymous No.6825692]

>>6825419
permabeg here
how? show me the way pls

[Anonymous No.6825693]

>>6825689
>Post your work
sure thing :)

[Anonymous No.6825696]

>>6825693
NTA but you're a coward.

[Anonymous No.6825700]

>>6825696
>post that thing that'll get you banned, coward!
What is this, grade school?

[Anonymous No.6825704]

>>6825696
Only half correct, he is a baitposting troll. Hide, ignore, and get back to drawing, Anon. Time is finite, and you need all of yours for getting good.

[Anonymous No.6825706]

>>6825704
>baitposting
Where's the bait? That implies a desire for a reply.
>you need all of yours for getting good
But getting good at what? It won't be drawing.

[Anonymous No.6825709]

>>6825546
for drawing anything; having the potential to do something does not mean you will necessarily do it

[Anonymous No.6825710]

>>6825704
GMI behavior, that's exactly what I'm gonna do.

[Anonymous No.6825711]

>>6825709
>anything
So if you can draw a stick figure you've already reached your maximum potential in drawing?

[Anonymous No.6825712]

>>6825710
>that's exactly what I'm gonna do
I've seen this kind of go-getter attitude posted in 2013. Your kind didn't make it then or now.

[Anonymous No.6825716]

>>6825711
>if you can draw a stick figure you've already reached your maximum potential in drawing?
that's not what I'm saying in the least. I felt like I was pretty explicit with my last statement. (you), or whoever wrote the initial post saying "I couldn't" seemed to be implying that they were unable to do something in the past because they failed: I don't think that logically follows. plenty of artists, even famous ones (dead or alive), have made many shitty drawings. but through conscious practice they improved and at one time or another realized a great deal of potential in their drawings

[Anonymous No.6825724]

>>6823350

[Anonymous No.6825731]

>>6825724
not trying to hate - you've obviously got a lot of skill, more than me and most of /beg/ - but two things I notice immediately is that in your rendition the camera is more level with the model, while in the reference the it's more under. also the mouth looks slightly off, but I'm not entirely sure why. I initially wanted to say it looks a little too big, but maybe it's the shading/color. nice piece at any rate

[Anonymous No.6825738]

>>6825716
>they were unable to do something in the past because they failed:
No, I was saying it because I failed repeatedly and continuously.
>at one time or another realized a great deal of potential in their drawings
Key word, they were able to realize the potential inherent in their drawings. What if you can't even reach that stage? What if you have no potential to speak of when it comes to drawing?

[Anonymous No.6825754]

First study in a while. Ignoring stroke quality what's my biggest weakness here? Construction or proportions?

[Anonymous No.6825758]

>>6825738
>failed repeatedly and continuously
not trying to be rude, but the same idea applies: just because you fail multiple times at something does not mean you necessarily cannot do that thing
>what if you have no potential to speak of when it comes to drawing?
unless you're literally retarded, you have potential; certainly more than what a lot of crabs and sociopaths on here would have you believe. it's not obvious one's exact potential, but again people mistakenly equate failures with a lack of potential when they simply don't follow.
>what if you can't even reach that stage?
it depends on what you mean by "that". obviously everyone has different goals, and the specifics matter: what *exactly* are you talking about reaching? at the very least, even if hypothetically it were demonstrable that (you) (you)rself could never reach the height of renaissance sculpture, for instance, that doesn't mean lesser potentials aren't within you

[Anonymous No.6825772]

>>6825758
>just because you fail multiple times at something does not mean you necessarily cannot do that thing
When you've only ever been able to fail, you shouldn't keep throwing good money after bad.
>unless you're literally retarded, you have potential;
Potential for what? I can certainly draw a stick figure. If you ask me to draw anything more complex I'm a hopeless failure.
>what *exactly* are you talking about reaching?
What, exactly? There are lots of styles I like. I guess it'd have to be anime style, but that's something for the young. Off the top of my head, CSR who started younger than me showed you're only able to do pseudo realism at best if you start older, and sub res has perpetually stagnated so he's not much of an inspiration either.
>even if hypothetically it were demonstrable that (you) (you)rself could never reach the height of renaissance sculpture, for instance
So now popular artists are the equivalent of renaissance sculpture?

[Anonymous No.6825774]

>>6825754
Before anything else, you screwed up your perspective.

[Anonymous No.6825776]

>>6825774
Damn, you're right. Shoulders and knees are all on the same plane. whoops.

[Anonymous No.6825783]

>>6825772
>When you've only ever been able to fail, you shouldn't keep throwing good money after bad.
I'm not sure exactly what that means. if you mean you shouldn't pursue something after continual failures, that's up for you to decide. that still doesn't mean you aren't capable of success
>Potential for what? I can certainly draw a stick figure. If you ask me to draw anything more complex I'm a hopeless failure
if you practice enough, intentionally and consciously, and study various techniques over an extended period of time you will improve and progressively realize more and more potential - bar none
>CSR who started younger than me showed you're only able to do pseudo realism at best if you start older, and sub res has perpetually stagnated so he's not much of an inspiration either
these too are logical fallacies. that x started at a later point in their life and only got to level y doesn't mean anyone who starts at the same age will necessarily only be able to get to level y and never surpass it
>anime style
even that, respectfully, is a broad term with various degrees of potential realized within anime-style artists
>so now popular artists are the equivalent of renaissance sculpture?
again, not in the least what I mean. I was making a point about a hypothetical peak in potential for the sake of the argument. even if it were true that you couldn't reach some peak of all peaks, it does not mean that you can't reach any lower level of the mountain

[Anonymous No.6825785]

>>6825776
Remember, perspective comes first! DAB might have turned into a meme, but that doesn't mean you can disregard it entirely. Grab one of the books on perspective and/or re-study what you already have.

[Anonymous No.6825790]

>>6825772
>>6825783
Shut the fuck up and draw.

[Anonymous No.6825795]

>>6825351
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.6825797]

>>6825783
>I'm not sure exactly what that means
Sunk cost fallacy.
>if you practice enough ... you will improve and progressively realize more and more potential - bar none
If you push against an immovable wall long enough, the wall will still not move.
>doesn't mean anyone who starts at the same age will necessarily only be able to get to level y and never surpass it
You're right, they could end up far below that level! It would be arrogant to think (Me) could reach those heights.
>is a broad term with various degrees of potential realized within anime-style artists
Indeed, lots of anime style artists are only capable of drawing characters and simple backgrounds at best, or backgrounds and simple characters at best. They had to specialize and couldn't do everything that they wanted to, assuming they ever did.
>it does not mean that you can't reach any lower level of the mountain
Are stick figures not a part of that mountain?

[Anonymous No.6825808]

>>6825797
>sunk cost fallacy
my point does not affirm the sunk cost fallacy
>If you push against an immovable wall long enough, the wall will still not move.
if you are convinced the wall is immovable, then stop by all means. but because you think it is so does not mean it is
>You're right, they could end up far below that level
or above
>they had to specialize
not sure that's true. perhaps they didn't want to pursue improvement for one reason or another. that doesn't mean they reached their absolute peak
>are stick figures not a prat of that mountain
indeed they are

[Anonymous No.6825815]

I tried the draw a box superimposed line shit and after like 7 lines I feel so goddamn stupid, like I know I once fell for this autistic shit, but should I really be spending time practicing this instead of actually drawing?

[Anonymous No.6825819]

>>6825815
They advise the "50-50 rule" but I prefer the 0-100 rule.

[Anonymous No.6825825]

>>6825824
>>6825824
New one
>>6825824
>>6825824
>>6825824

[Anonymous No.6825862]

>>6825815
What is this setup? a plywood board and a single sheet of paper mask taped to it?

[Anonymous No.6825866]

>>6825808
>does not affirm
You are insistent that if you kept practicing, you would improve. That is the definition of sunk cost.
>because you think it is so does not mean it is
What explanation would I have to provide for you to understand that I do know?
>or above
That doesn't exist. Spare me the pep talk about how you could be the exception that rocks the world of art.
>not sure that's true
Fair. They might not have ever wanted to draw that.
>they are
So what's wrong with saying that the absolute peak someone can reach is stick figures?

[Anonymous No.6825874]

>>6825866
the sunk cost is about continuing to pursue something because you've put so much time into it. I admit that you may pursue art till an old age and feel that it was not worth it - which is the *opposite* of the sunk cost fallacy - I'm simply stating that potential =/= necessity and that if you properly practice you can make improvements. that doesn't mean it'll be worth it in the end
>what explanation would I have ot provide for you to understand that I do know?
I'm not sure, honestly, though I feel that I am open to such an explanation/proof. I'm just unconvinced up to this point
>That doesn't exist. Spare me the pep talk about how you could be the exception that rocks the world of art.
if you are set in your beliefs and do not want to hear otherwise I won't continue
>so whats' wrong with saying that the absolute peak someone can reach is stick figures
to the extent that it's wrong, that's what's wrong with it; to the extent that it is untrue

[Anonymous No.6825895]

>>6825862
Yeah. Works for me.

[Anonymous No.6825897]

>>6825329
Lol, homicide rates just went up 8 fold foo'

[Anonymous No.6825902]

>>6825897
8% of the population commits 80% of the crimes

[Anonymous No.6825903]

>>6825874
>opposite
No, throwing away a lot of money/time and regretting it is part of the sunk cost fallacy, not the opposite by any means
>if you properly practice you can make improvements
And those improvements will be so miniscule as to be nonexistent.
>I'm not sure
Why are you not sure? Do you have nothing that gives you a personal idea of whether one can draw?
>if you are set in your beliefs
Were you hoping to say that? If so, I would like to hear the reasoning in your favor.
>that it's wrong
Speaking of what's wrong, why are you manually retyping my posts and fucking up the grammar? Why is that wrong and untrue to say?

[Anonymous No.6825915]

>>6825903
>No, throwing away a lot of money/time and regretting it is part of the sunk cost fallacy, not the opposite by any means
the sunk cost fallacy is where you believe that your endeavor will be worth all the time money and effort. I agree that you can put a lot of time money and effort into something and regret it ultimately. that is not the same thing as saying that if you properly practice something you will make improvements
>and those improvements will be so miniscule as to be nonexistent
depends on your circumstances, but it's not obvious to me we know the exact parameters for which such limitations are true for someone
>do you have nothing that gives you a personal idea of whether one can draw?
the limits are not obvious, but at the very least if you're able to communicate with somone as you have with me up to this point I feel that your own limitations on yourself are not warranted
>were you hoping to say that?
I'm fine in continuing if you are willing
>why are you mantually retyping my posts and fucking up the grammar
don't care enough to be perfect in that regard/I like typing - idk
>why is that wrong and untrue to say?
it depends on the circumstances, again, but unless you're retarded and/or handicapped, you can draw more than just a stick figure. in such cases it is wrong to say that someone's limit is a stick figure

[Anonymous No.6825919]

>>6825895
Get yourself some clamps and clamp a stack of paper on it instead of single sheets. It's a much nicer surface experience.

[Anonymous No.6825921]

>>6825915
>you believe that your endeavor will be worth all the time money and effort
So does it not count because you're trying to push that belief onto someone else?
>If you properly practice something
In other words, if you put enough time, money, and effort into it...
>depends on your circumstances
Is it?
>your own limitations on yourself are not warranted
I've been denied the opportunity to construct a coherent explanation or demonstration to conclusively prove my own inability to process, so I would have to question the basis of this feeling.
>you can draw more than just a stick figure
Based on what, exactly? I can point to thousands of lawyers and doctors who are very smart but are incapable of drawing much more than that. That is not a mark against their intelligence, it is an example of how people are specialized for different tasks.

[Anonymous No.6825935]

>>6825921
>you're trying to push that belief onto someone else?
that's not what's being pushed. again, you may regret it; it may not be worth it in your mind ultimately. there will be improvments, if practiced properly, but you may not even want the improvements
>in other words, if you put enough time, money, and effort into it
you're mistaking the ends being discussed. the end I'm talking about is improvement; the end in the sunk cost fallacy is worth. the sunk cost fallacy as applied here would be something as follows:
>"putting so much time, effort, and money into drawing will give me some benefit"
I am saying that you will improve, but whether that's a benefit depends on your goals. in fact, depending on how you go about it, you could ruin your life by not putting time and effort elsewhere
>depends on your circumstances
I believe so, as the retarded and/or physically handicapped example previously mentioned
>I've been denied the opportunity...
not by me. I have simply not set the exact limits of such an explanation, though I feel that I am open to such an explanation
>I would have to question the basis of this feeling
by all means
>I can point to thousands of lawyers and doctors who are very smart but are incapable of drawing much more than that
again you are mistaking potential with necessity. if they were to try as they are now they may not be able to produce something of much merit, but there seems to be no reason to assume that they couldn't with enough proper practice

[Anonymous No.6825937]

>>6825935
>I am saying you will improve
I am saying that I will not improve, using that as the definition of benefit. You're splitting hairs by saying otherwise.
>not by me
You have refused the opportunity to devise the standards I would need to show you I cannot process that.
>by all means
See above.
>there seems to be no reason to assume
What makes you say so? I would point to their professions as the reason, they were not wired to become artists.

[Anonymous No.6825943]

>>6825937
>you're splitting haris by saying otherwise
no, we're simply talking about two different things at that point. I am making the distinction between improvement and a benefit - which is not necessarily tied to improvement; you are not. I am not saying that you're wrong for doing so, but we are simply talking past each other then
>you have refused the opportunity to devise the standards I would need to show you I cannot process that
here two we are talking about two different things. previously you mentioned being denied the opportunity to construct a coherent explanation about your own limitations; now you are talking about *me* refusing to offer the criteria for such an explanation. it is possible that, without having asked me to set the criteria, you could have provided such an explanation: I've never hindered you from doing so. though I have failed to try to set such criteria to aid you, as I am not sure what that criteria might be. I believe it is a situation where you know it when you see it
>what makes you say so? I would point to their profesions as the reason, they were not wired to become artists
I just do not think human potential is that limited. plenty of people, for instance, have talents in one field but end up in a completely different field. my sister was pretty good at art but ended up becoming a nurse. surely there are similar people, who, say, had an artistic talent/skill but went into construction or perhaps work at a fast food restaurant

[Anonymous No.6825944]

>>6825943
>here two
here too*

[Anonymous No.6825948]

>>6825943
>we are simply talking past each other then
Quite.
>I believe it is a situation where you know it when you see it
I think there are questions and demonstrations one could ask for. However, if one doesn't know the criteria the other person is seeking, then all they'll get is "I disagree". That is why I asked if you could tell me what I need to show you to prove my own point.
>I just do not think human potential is that limited
Now we're getting to a difference in belief about human potential. Would you say that you, generally, have a more conservative or liberal belief on this subject? I think your explanation already pointed in one direction but I would rather not put words in your mouth.

[Anonymous No.6825955]

>>6825948
>if one does not know the criteria the other person is seeking, then all they'll get is "I disagree"
I do not mean to be (entirely) silly here, but I disagree with that. I have been in other discussions/arguments with people and have ultimately come around to agreeing with them even though they I did not provide them with the criteria under which I would believe them. though, to be fair, having such criteria, if they are true for the person who is to be convinced, makes the discussion easier
>would you say that you, generally, have a more conservative or liberal belief on this subject?
it this makes sense, I have a more skeptical/tentative view on it; perhaps you would consider that more liberal, I'm not sure. as previously mentioned, I do not think it is obvious what the upper limits to our potentials are for something like drawing/artistic ability, though I think there are extremes like mental and/or physical hinderances which make it obvious that there are limitations depending on the circumstances. such evidence as someone's happenstance profession or repeated failures does is not convincing, as previously explained

[Anonymous No.6825965]

>>6825955
>ultimately come around to agreeing with them
I think we both know that my convincing you of my inability to draw is as likely as you convincing me of my hiretho hidden ability to draw. For example, if I say I have coordination issues and I am incapable of drawing a straight line, you'll argue all I need is a ruler.
>skeptical
On the question of inborn talent and hierarchy?

[Anonymous No.6825971]

>>6825965
>my convincing you of my inability to draw is as likely as you convincing me of my hiretho hidden ability to draw
perhaps it is, but I'm not sure how set in your ways you are. I don't know how set I am either, but I feel that I am quite open to being convinced otherwise. I am interested in the topic more generally, but there's not a lot in my life riding on your full artistic potential
>for example, if I say I have coordination issues and I am incapable of drawing a straight line, you'll argue all I need is a ruler
if you can use a ruler successfully, then I think that statement would be appropriate - would it not? that would directly contradict or limit your statement about not being able to draw a straight line
>on the question of inborn talent and hierarchy?
I think that there is such a thing as natural talent, and that IQ has at least partly to play in that. I suppose what I mean by skeptical specifically refers (or at least refers) to the evidence you have provided thus far and other evidence I've seen others provide about the topic (i.e. the end of someone's potential in drawing/art in general)

[Anonymous No.6825977]

>>6825971
>would it not?
It would, which is why I did not bring that up as an argument for how I am unable to draw. The issues go beyond a simple straight line, and deep into fundamental conceptualization errors that are impossible to fix. By your own standards, I would say I am retarded when it comes to drawing.
>evidence you have provided thus far
That's fine, I wasn't expecting to convince you in a light exchange.

[Anonymous No.6825981]

>>6825977
>by your own standards, I would say I am retarded when it comes to drawing
your conversation with me up to this point shows that you're obviously not retarded
>that's fine I wasn't expecting to convince you in a light exchange
it seems like we're at the most overt impass at this point. that is all fine, of course, but it's not obvious that you intend to continue this much further. I don't care much either way. if this is the end, I can give you the last word

[Anonymous No.6825986]

>>6825981
>you're obviously not retarded
Thanks for the words of encouragement, though it didn't give me any ability to demonstrate my (lack of) talent, so I'm not sure about that. I will say that I have spent more time than anyone else I know trying to learn to draw, and it has gotten me absolutely nowhere.
>overt impass
Well, I haven't been able to provide an explanation or demonstration that satisfies your own standards, so that much was settled beforehand.

[Anonymous No.6825990]

>>6825986
>I have spent more time than anyone else I know trying to learn to draw
what all have you done and for how long?

[Anonymous No.6826003]

>>6825990
I'm 30 and I've been drawing on and off since I was a toddler. I've struggled with all the basic /ic/ books and it's never advanced to the point it looks better than the rushed doodles I did as a kid.

[Anonymous No.6826022]

>>6826003
>I've been drawing on and off since I was a toddler
how many full years, if you had to add up all the days, would you guess you've draw? and how consistent have you been? have you been more inconsistent than consistent? I for instance never drew outside of the mandatory art classes I had up through middle school. then I took up drawing intentionally in 2016 but from then to 2020 drew maybe 2 months at max total (i.e. a full 60 days where I drew at least one thing); I was on the whole very inconsistent. then since picking it back up in 2020 I have been on the whole consistent, though there are probably a handful of full months where I didn't draw anything
>I've struggled with all the basic /ic/ books
how exactly have you struggled? did you not understand the techniques taught? did you understand them (intellectually) but were not able to realize them in any given drawing? have you fully gone through any instructive art book? what are some of the ones that you've tried? how exactly did you try to go through them? how much would you try to study and how exactly did you do so?

[Anonymous No.6826040]

>>6826022
>would you guess
About a decade, I'd say.
>How consistent
Hardly. I'm sure if I were, I'd be one of the people /ic/ talks about one way or another.
>I have been on the whole very consistent
how old are you now?
>how exactly have you struggled
Unable to comprehend the techniques they want me to internalize. Observation, perspective, construction, etc. When it comes to the basics, I was able to understand it intellectually but putting it into practice is impossible. When it comes to art, I'm a critic, not a creator.
>have you fully gone through any instructive art book
Yes and no. I wouldn't say that what I've drawn from them is up to the standards of the examples they cite.
>how exactly did you do so
I just drew, same as you.

[Anonymous No.6826058]

>>6825685
i'm only using the reference very lightly.

[Anonymous No.6826071]

Hello Anons, I have been aimless for about 3 days as to what to study to fulfill what I want to learn.
I want to study body construction and anatomy more, but I can't find a book in E-hentai that convinces me, maybe I don't search enough so I just end up studying something on Pinterest (although I notice those references are somewhat poorly done) any advice to be able to continue with what i want to learn

Should I take reference photos of people?
I attach my latest study of Miguel Ohara's gesticulation

[Anonymous No.6826075]

>>6826058
What else are you referencing for the hair then? You didn't show that.

[Anonymous No.6826080]

>>6826040
>I'm sure if I were, I'd be one of the people /ic/ talks about one way or another
how do you mean?
>how old are you now?
26
>I just drew, same as you
I do not mean to be rude, but I don't think it's necessarily that simple; thought that doesn't necessarily mean we don't have broadly similar drawing sessions. what I mean is, for myself, sometimes I draw with less focus and other times more focus; sometimes I work on specific things, say figure drawings, and I will do the same drawing multiple times; sometimes, in a portrait, say, I will work on multiple techniques but focus more on this technique than that one; and, of course, the extent of practice is a relevent variable too. not to mention the exact advice, instruction, and general frame of reference in art (e.g. other art/artists you've seen)
>about a decade I'd say
and how much of that has consisted of conscious practice trying to implement techniques studied by other artists?
>putting it into practice is impossible
>>how consistent
>hardly
of course there's still a lot lacking from my understanding of your experience with drawing/art - not blaming you btw, just stating it as a fact - but based on my understanding thus far I don't think your case is conclusive in showing that you can never get past a /beg/ stage. you've been fairly inconsistent, and do not seem to have done all you can to practice the techniques taught to you in instructive books. and there are other avenues potentially open as well, such as a more personal instructor (unless you have had such a thing outside of basic schooling and simply haven't mentioned it yet). about how many sketchbooks have you filled in adulthood and about how many pages on average are they?

[Anonymous No.6826107]

>>6826080
>how do you mean
Exactly what I said.
>26
As expected. I mean no offense, but the subject of age is something that only older people will understand. I was failing at 26, and I'm failing now. This is horrible advice, but if you want to understand my perspective, stop applying yourself for four-five years, or intentionally fail everything repeatedly, and then come back.
>for myself,
Oh, I didn't bother with any of that. I literally just drew. What does that mean for me? It means straight lines, shapes, and copying exercises. I've never been able to confidently practice figure drawing.
>instruction
None adequate for me.
>other art/artists you've seen
Never could manage that, whether because I dislike the art or artist themselves. So to answer your question, none.
>you have had such a thing
Yes, they're the ones that taught me this bitter lesson on talent, though you might say otherwise.
>I don't think your case is conclusive
I can agree that from a third person viewpoint, it's hard to say for sure. Unfortunately, I'm burnt out from successive failure and my only resources for improvement are the same ones I've been struggling with.
>how many sketchbooks have you filled in adulthood
10? Most of those were in a single year. I don't like drawing aimlessly, and I would rather try to do digital. My output is worse there.

[Anonymous No.6826118]

>>6826107
>exactly what I said
I meant exactly in which ways would people talk about you
>unfortunately, I'm burnt out from successive failure and my only resources for improvement are the same ones I've been struggling with
>I was failing at 26, and I'm failing now
while I'm sorry that has been your experience anon, and would like to encourage you, (by no fault of your own) I'm not sure what I could effectively say at this point. for what it's worth, I still maintain that you are capable of improvement. whether you come around to the idea and persist in art is not up to me. at any rate, if you do have plans to persist, I hope you can manage to work through any confidence issues and find proper instruction and apply it to your studies

[Anonymous No.6826126]

>>6826118
>which ways
At worst, CWC et al for a generic example
>confidence issues
It would be nice to have a sliver of a mediocre drawing to call my own. Something like what people here post. Unfortunately it isn't even that good.

[Anonymous No.6826194]

>>6826126
>at worst, CWC et al for a generic example
>it would be nice to have a sliver of a mediocre drawing to call my own. something like what people here post. unfortunately it isn't even that good
well if drawing is not in your future, then I hope at least you can make peace with your experience with art. all the best anon

[Anonymous No.6826203]

>>6826194
Do break down your experiment in drawing once you've finished that.

[Anonymous No.6826315]

>>6825178
Nigga wym rightists make the best art just look at traditional European art vs modern art

[Anonymous No.6826317]

>>6825419
The hair looks better, bro. Everything else looks the same, you just gave her an aesthetic Germanic jaw (based)

[Anonymous No.6826319]

>>6825511
It looks good as hell, unfortunately your pic isn’t coomer shit so it didn’t get replies. Sorry buddy

[Anonymous No.6826322]

>>6825724
The lighting is really cool but why did you give her a down syndrome face?

[Anonymous No.6826571]

am i a good drawer now? =}

[Anonymous No.6826825]

>>6826315
You mean the shining example of rightwingers paying leftoid artists to draw what they want them to draw? Fucking research this shit, it's a total blackpill.

[Anonymous No.6826827]

Redid the Veemo.

[Anonymous No.6826829]

help

[Anonymous No.6826932]

We're all gonna make it bros

[Anonymous No.6827241]

>>6826829
Heads are way out of your league right now
grind some basic forms in simple perspective

[Anonymous No.6827334]

>>6826829
Some notes for you. Now try this one again with these in mind. take your time, don't rush.
"measure twice, cut once"
You'll want to do more measuring than I showed here, you don't have to draw all of it out, but check distances as you go.

[Anonymous No.6827525]

>>6827241
>basic forms
you mean boxes?

[Anonymous No.6827642]

>>6827525
boxes, cylinders, cones and spheres
>what the difference between a circle and a sphere?
just add curves (these helps to define the form), pic related

[Anonymous No.6827661]

>>6827642
so a box, a box with the edges filed off, a box with the edges filed off and sides stretched out, and a box that got squished
boxes all the way down
fuck this shit

[Anonymous No.6827977]

second try

[Anonymous No.6828474]

>>6827334
This is amazing, thanks a bunch anon. I'm trying to figure out some new method for drawing the head that actually works for me, this looks really helpful.