/TRAD/ traditional art general

[Anonymous No.6822436]

Post your stupid fucking paintings

[Anonymous No.6822461]

>>6822436
Here’s some shit I’m drawing lately

[Anonymous No.6822462]

>>6822461

[Anonymous No.6822464]

>>6822462

[Anonymous No.6822465]

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[Anonymous No.6822467]

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[Anonymous No.6822469]

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[Anonymous No.6822470]

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[Anonymous No.6822516]

>>6822467
that's actually very nice

[Illastrat No.6822881]

Oil

[Anonymous No.6822952]

>>6822881
Nightmare fuel, for free.

[Anonymous No.6823017]

sargent study

[Anonymous No.6823108]

>>6823017
Oils? Which size? Very good btw

[Anonymous No.6823110]

>>6822516
Thanks

I painted Russia

[Anonymous No.6823138]

>>6823108
Oils, yes. 90x140cm

[Anonymous No.6823230]

>>6823138
Same as the original then, that's cool. Guess it'd be much harder to get those tiny details on small scale anyway. You traced the drawing didn't you? Not necessarily a bad thing if you wanted to focus on training painting skills

Also, I suppose this is a panel?

I've been doing small color studies lately; been thinking of pushing a few of them to oils, bigger format

[Anonymous No.6823319]

>>6823230
didn't trace it but i made a grid to help me with placing stuff right, it's on a linen canvas.
Be careful with the bigger formats lol, once i started i've barely done smaller stuff that's not pleinair.

[Anonymous No.6823327]

>>6823319
Yeah pleinair you definitely want it small. Color studies it's fine to keep them small too: takes less space, and you're done in 1h/2h

Okay for the canvas/grid

[Anonymous No.6823637]

>>6823110
Sad woman

[Anonymous No.6823675]

Probably my hardest drawing, crits ?

[Anonymous No.6823782]

>>6822436
Doing watercolor studies now

[Anonymous No.6823801]

Did this a few weeks back

[Anonymous No.6824565]

>>6823801
Gorgeous

[Anonymous No.6824665]

sketch I did today to try out staedtler erasable colore pencils.
Don't know how I feel about this drawing. Don't think it's worth posting anywhere lol

>>6823017
very good man

>>6823782
great style anon

>>6823801
looks great. has that "weird" demon souls ,even 90's psx dark fantasy rpg concep art vibe. This is what concept art should look like imo, not gay hack photobash bs

[Anonymous No.6825437]

>>6822436
can i use my unpainted warhammer40k figures for cast drawing?
im kinda broke rn so i would need to save up for an actual plaster cast

[Anonymous No.6825516]

>>6825437
Depends on how big they are.

[Anonymous No.6827301]

>>6823675
I like your other piece with the soldier shooting and the hands. I know you admitted your anatomy problems in the previous thread, but I feel they are so bad you should have redone this piece. Also what's your focus? My eye is drawn the the seppuku, but your guts are not detaiked enough to be interesting. I think your shading is pretty good, but you should push your contrasts more.

I'm attaching something I banged out today, not as an example, because I think you are much more acomplished than me. I really love Sam Kieth, been wanting to do this piece for a while. I don't have much experience with color but I'm glad I'm finally using some of these markers I bought.

[Anonymous No.6827391]

Any advice on rendering on paper?
Pic unrel

[Anonymous No.6827484]

>>6827391
Be more specific with your question. We dont know what you dont know at this point.

[Anonymous No.6827505]

>>6827484
>We dont know what you dont know at this point.

I only real know how to do perspective really poorly, wanna learn to add shadows to my perspective art work.

[Anonymous No.6827519]

>>6827505
Another anon can probably give you better /beg/ advice but when I was at your stage I would do about 30 minutes of drawing boxes, then 30 minutes of drawing circles. Practice some basic hatching. The move on to some two point perspective. A value scale in ink is useful also

[Anonymous No.6827524]

>>6827519
Thx for advice, will do!

[Anonymous No.6827652]

>>6827519
Another tip, avoid lined paper at all cost.

[Anonymous No.6827947]

Found this while looking through my external backups from a media class. Pen and Ink 11"x14"

[Anonymous No.6828119]

>>6822881
My girlfriend siad it looks like Clockwork Orange meets Prince.

[Anonymous No.6828425]

[Anonymous No.6828629]

>>6828425
Why is the figure not in the picture entirely?

[Anonymous No.6828673]

>>6828425

Jesus christ brian learn to paint hands

[Anonymous No.6828809]

>>6828673
And faces, and feet, and Eiffel towers.

[Anonymous No.6828884]

>>6828425
going to draw the ire of Frenchmen if you do not get the scenery between that window and the tower correct, also it's a cliche in Paris that from every window the Eiffel tower is visible

[Anonymous No.6829112]

>>6828884
It might be cliché but I reckon people love that kind of stuff, how else would you better portray a Parisian view?

[Anonymous No.6829169]

>>6829112
Montmartre?

[Anonymous No.6829217]

>>6828884
This is a reality of selling artwork that you’ll have to confront at some point. If you want to sell a painting and have people know it’s Paris you have to unfortunately add that kind of symbol drawing stuff. Or people just won’t get it. A smarter buyer will understand a painting of a paris cafe without such crude reminders of what the subject matter is, but that’s a very small portion of the broader audience of the world. It sucks but that’s the reality of images today. I guess blame Thomas Kinkade and Bob Ross

[Anonymous No.6829251]

>>6824665
Are you the same anon who did the fury scuba drawing?

[Anonymous No.6829990]

>>6827301
Sam Kieth is great. I dig it

[Anonymous No.6830281]

>>6828425
Art thing painting stuff

[Anonymous No.6830365]

>>6822436

Work in Progress.

[Anonymous No.6830396]

Concept Sketch.

[Anonymous No.6830502]

>>6830365
looks nice, keep going

[Anonymous No.6830521]

>>6830365

Very cool. Would work better as a background for something than as a stand-alone painting though.

[Anonymous No.6830712]

>>6830396
interesting. What for?

[Anonymous No.6831149]

>>6827301
>but I feel they are so bad
i rushed the Seppuku drawing and the more i've looked at it after finishing the more the anatomy issues started to POP at me so i get what you're saying, right from the get go the legs were too big, guy behind was too small, arm positions are fucked (i found out the left arm can't be positioned like that after trying to imitate the pose in the mirror) plus arms being too huge on the dude on the back plus he's way too tiny

>what's the focus
the focus was the Seppuku but also the guys face and expression which i liked how they turned out(the neck was intentionally made longer to appear more decapitatable) but also the Seppuku which guts issues aside i liked how dark it appeared in contrast with the rest of the image

>you should push your contrasts more
noted

anyway here's another one with less fucked anatomy

[Anonymous No.6831188]

>>6823675
I mean, I'm beg, but it looks like only the sword is moving. Look at jap stuff, I personally dont draw weeb, but they are good at emphasizing movement, and since this is a jap tradition you drew, maybe borrow from that.

[Anonymous No.6831591]

>>6830502
Thanks!
>>6830521
Well, the final piece will have an actual focal point, but I've definitely had animation backgrounds on the brain while painting this piece.

>>6830712
It's for an experimental piece. I want to try out some new techniques. The final product may not be /trad/ though, so I may post it in another thread. It's going to be a while anyway.

[Anonymous No.6833279]

bump (what a slow thread)

[Anonymous No.6833372]

>>6833279
trad art ain't trendy??

[Anonymous No.6833423]

>>6833372
trads are necessarily away from computer more than digitals who draw the same hours.

[Anonymous No.6834071]

what is the appeal of crayons? is so dificult to do detailed stuff with them

[Anonymous No.6834090]

>>6834071
they taste good

[Anonymous No.6834615]

>>6834071
You can melt them and get some cool textures out of them

[Anonymous No.6836128]

Some sorta self potrait

[Anonymous No.6836246]

>>6822436
what are some good books on cast drawing i can get on zlibrary?

[Anonymous No.6836664]

>>6822881
looks bad

[Anonymous No.6836742]

>>6836128
some mania going on here. I like it

[Anonymous No.6836801]

What up, guys? As always, posting a wip. Comments always welcome.

[Anonymous No.6836804]

>>6836801
Got the reference for us? Can help to see what you are shooting for.

[Anonymous No.6836808]

>>6836246
You mean a book that explains specifically how to do cast drawing? I’m not sure that even exists.
An interesting book though can be Harold Speed’s Practice and Science of Drawing.
Or if you just want reference material, get the big Bargue book, it’s in public domain anyhow.

[Anonymous No.6836961]

>>6836801
I suspect that you are painting way too fast, anon. If you post your ref we could help you more but as it is right now you are losing a lot of your form because of it.

[Anonymous No.6837148]

[Anonymous No.6837390]

Losing my mind

[Anonymous No.6837417]

Here it is. Yes, I agree with you, I’m going super fast, this is only the second session I did with this portrait. In not trying to do perfect copies, I’m mostly trying to do color studies with a bit of drawing and form. I do max 5/6 sessions of 3 hours for these paintings, the goal was actually to do one every other day.

[Anonymous No.6837430]

>>6837417
I like the shadowing in your wip. It seems you got the structure and shape quite well

[Anonymous No.6837794]

>>6837417
The left eye is a bit too long horizontally, it's skewing the rest of the face

[Anonymous No.6838410]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPX-MnQYDpI

Japanese nigger teaching Ba-uru-gueu methodueu

[Anonymous No.6838414]

>>6838410
What am I saying... Chinese nigger

[Anonymous No.6838446]

One-off figure session tonight

[Anonymous No.6838466]

>>6838446
Good start; drawing bigger might help to develop the details on the foot/hand

[Anonymous No.6838535]

I just wanna punch deck :(

[Anonymous No.6838578]

no supply thread, so asking here: what do I actually need to start oil painting?
I’ve been practicing gouache and I’d like to try oils, I don’t know what I actually need
I’ve got some oil paper, do I need to gesso it?
do I need medium or something? what about cleaning brushes? turpentine or something else?
I’d be trying neatly rendered monochrome studies
also, should I be doing this away from clothes and furniture and such because of the smell?

[Anonymous No.6838604]

>>6838446
All of your lines are thick and messy. Go with an HB pencil, and sharpen it really fine. Not with a pencil sharpener, but with a blade and sandpaper. Your tip should be almost needle sharp. I’ll post pics one of these days. Then you grab the pencil from the very back and draw very lightly

[Anonymous No.6838609]

>>6838578
>I’ve got some oil paper, do I need to gesso it?
If it's genuine oil paper (like Arches) no you don't

> do I need medium or something
Avoid for now. Use a bit of oil to increase the flow, at best. Turpentines/spirit for early washes.

> what about cleaning brushes
Turpentine or mineral spirits, then soap. Avoid as much as possible having too much oils going down your sink (an anon broke his plumbing because of accumulated oil drying down there)

> also, should I be doing this away from clothes and furniture and such because of the smell?
Oil paint isn't toxic, per say. Some pigments are toxic, if you eat them. Make sure the room is ventilated when using turpentines/mineral spirits, or the smell might make you unconfortable.

> I’d be trying neatly rendered monochrome studies
Good idea. Black, white, umber are a good start. Extend then to a Zorn palette. Extend with some ultramarine blue.

[Anonymous No.6838616]

>>6838578
you don't need solvent. most use it for washes in initial stage which is a relatively recent practice. or for cleaning brushes to change colors which can be avoided if you use more brushes. even for cleaning after the session, while convenient, is not necessary. wipe as much paint off and use a soap of your choice. solvent damages brushes.
you need medium or not depending on how you paint.
you can buy a simple oil medium like cold pressed or alkaline refined just to aid in flow but very little. the thick ones are more special uses like manipulating paint layer leveling properties. you can oil thinly out but only if you will be covering the area completely.
so you need brushes. probably multiple ones in the same size for small ones if i understand neat rendering correctly.

[Anonymous No.6838681]

>>6838535
Jamescatt painting I finished. She’s still pretty at 30 maybe I’m just built different. I’m not a pdf file so 30 year old Sammy Zaynchan is hot to me

[Anonymous No.6838715]

>>6838681

[Anonymous No.6838718]

>>6838681
That’s really good, B. Feels like you’re even going for some form. I would say the edge between the right side of the face and the hair is way too hard, I’d soften that up a lot. They say in general Jaír on face is a soft edge, and that totally applies here.

[Anonymous No.6838905]

>>6838681
I've got a pdf boner

[Anonymous No.6838997]

>>6838609
>>6838616
was sleeping, thanks anons

[Anonymous No.6839291]

graphite self portrait

[Anonymous No.6839492]

I want to sell my paintings and drawings.
Is etsy good enough or where else should I look?
Should I frame my works or what is the best way to send it over by mail?

[Anonymous No.6839586]

wip? trash it?

>>6829251
absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.6839839]

>>6829251

LOL, no. That was me.

[Anonymous No.6839858]

>>6838609
Arches sucks, buy stonhenge instead. Arches is WAY too absorbent.

[Anonymous No.6839862]

>>6822462
She's pretty :)

[Anonymous No.6839866]

>>6822467
thumbnail reads very well, full sized image is harder to read. I think you should try pushing your values and consider the silhouette of the light and dark areas.

[Anonymous No.6839867]

>>6822469
I enjoy but again more values please
>>6823017
Very nice, you should focus on edge control to elevate your skill :)

[Anonymous No.6839868]

>>6839858
Doesn't affect the gessoing tho. I must have used Arches oil once so far, so my knowledge of all that is very shallow.

Some people like absorbent surfaces

>>6839492
Try different places. Also, don't be Dunning-Kruger: selling stuff is a job, that's why there are professional salesmen. What I mean is, take the time to learn how to sell stuff:pick a book/a course on the topic and study how it's done.

>>6839291
Great job.

[Anonymous No.6839870]

>>6823782
Very strong appeal, keep up the good work

[Anonymous No.6839948]

>>6823801
This is awesome
What did you use to make it?

[Anonymous No.6839987]

Just some shit I painted idk

[Anonymous No.6840041]

>>6839987
you're getting worse as time goes by
it makes sense why you haven't sold any painting recently

[Anonymous No.6840044]

>>6840041
I’m not going to reprove I can paint with every painting. Not interested sorry. I wanna have fun

[Anonymous No.6840047]

>>6840044
>competent painting isn't fun
ok, I guess...

[Anonymous No.6840050]

>>6840047
You’re why all art is boring

[Anonymous No.6840071]

>>6840050
fascinating
so because you get no joy from painting in a competent way means those who do create boring art and are miserable as well?

[Anonymous No.6840077]

>>6840071
Yes

[Anonymous No.6840081]

>>6840071
Like you as a aspiring artist do not grasp that the buyers of art don’t care. They don’t care dude. They want to be entertained that is it. They want crazy weird art or whatever just anything that’s interesting. If you don’t have ideas you’re not gonna make it. If the extent of what you have to say is “look how competent this is” that’s the lowest fucking bar possible and you will make no fucking money EVER. Capiche? I have been doing this for 11 years. I know what the fuck I’m doing.

[Anonymous No.6840094]

Guys. Here me out.

Brian and Illastrat are THE SAME GUY. It's my new hypothesis. Brian has forked himself in an attempt to self more paintings.

[Anonymous No.6840112]

>>6840081
>crazy weird art
>badly drawn portrait
anon, if you want money that much you should get disability checks

[Anonymous No.6840114]

>>6840112
And how’s your Art business going?

[Anonymous No.6840115]

>>6840081
>arguing a point i never made
kek
anyway if what you said were remotely true you'd be rich from your very interesting and fun art, but that's not true is it?

[Anonymous No.6840130]

>>6840115
I do okay idk. For a guy with no following I make a living at it pretty comfortably.

[Anonymous No.6840410]

Fechin study

[Anonymous No.6840413]

Waterhouse study

[Anonymous No.6840869]

>>6840114
>crazy weird art
>le funny draw random things

there are about 0 ideas in the drawings you posted. I know it's wrong to target some autist on /ic/ but you don't know shit about what creativity is (also fix that signature, it's terrible)

sauce: i was like you

[Anonymous No.6840875]

(i'm also drunk and very aggressive so sorry for rude)

[Anonymous No.6841013]

>>6839586
why the fuck would you trash this

[Anonymous No.6841034]

>>6840869
>I was like you
You’ve never been anywhere close to me

[Anonymous No.6841092]

>>6841013
"trash it" as in, not post it anywhere and stuff in a drawer. I can't like it.

[Anonymous No.6841163]

>>6841034
>the thin, flat, muddy stain for the signature
that’s just ugly

[Anonymous No.6841177]

>>6841163
What is this unfathomable level of cope dude. What do you want other than my attention. Holy smokes dude. Shut the fuck up. Find another thread to shit up.

[Anonymous No.6841182]

>>6841177
I’m not the other guy, I’m just telling you the brown stain backdrop for the signature is ugly and distracting from the painting

[Anonymous No.6841295]

>>6841182
That's the whole point of a signataure. An obnoxious stain that clearly indicates you made this. Potential branding for resale.
Otherwise you might as well just sign the back.

[Anonymous No.6841300]

>>6841295
1) I’m not talking about the signature, I’m talking about the ugly blob of mismatching paint under it
2) no
3) you’re being retarded

[Anonymous No.6841303]

>>6841300
>incapable of critiquing any part of the artwork itself
>”signature bad”
Ok retard

[Anonymous No.6841309]

>>6841303
I’m not talking about the signature, you dumb faggot

[Anonymous No.6841492]

>>6841309
Pointless insipid whining about something completely subjective, that comes down solely to your preferences for presentation.

Pyw

[Anonymous No.6841512]

>>6840081
>>6840114

Brian you were whining about being broke pretty recently

[Anonymous No.6841551]

>>6822436
How do you guys get good lighting to digitize your paintings? Or do you just take a picture with your phone camera or otherwise?

[Anonymous No.6841553]

>>6830365
Nice! What medium?

[Anonymous No.6841572]

>>6841034
i like this one
yeah, i mean, we are different in so many ways, for example you make a giant signature in a random place while i usually don't even sign my artwork
I just want to make a mess like you do, but i impose myself to be more orderly and readable for the sake of the viewer
I try to think a lot about the subject and composition, while i could just doodle the first things that come to mind
your bestial approach to painting is kinda cool in the end, and who can say what's good and bad in a painting right?

sorry if too harsh before

[Anonymous No.6841577]

>>6841553

Gouache, mostly.

[Anonymous No.6841589]

>>6840410
really cool!

[Anonymous No.6841591]

>>6841034
this one is nice... i can feel the fog and steam

[Anonymous No.6841596]

>>6841177
kinda cool! i like the surrealist mood. kinda tanguy-esque/de chirico messy thing

[Anonymous No.6841605]

What's some key advice for someone who is /beg/ with traditional mediums? I want to switch from purely digital art, to working with oils. But I have very limited experience with physical painting. I've been fooling around with oil pastels lately though.

[Anonymous No.6841647]

>>6841605

Buy a few tubes and go and paint something. A real basic and cheap setup to do monochromatic paintings with is titanium white, raw (or burnt if you want a warmer temp) umber and ivory black. Experiment with these and try to paint something to the best of your abilities and you will get a feel for it. Don’t worry about painting on canvas right away, for practice you are fine with buying a pad of oil painting paper.

[Anonymous No.6842045]

>>6841647
Do I need a knife or anything? I see people working in oils using those

[Anonymous No.6842052]

>>6842045
I would recommend them in general for cleaning up you palette, applying thick paint, getting the occasional hard edge. but Also try mixing with a knife so you have a big enough pool of paint. People starting out don't mix up enough paint almost 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.6842088]

>>6842052
What is the knife used for? Just mixing? What brushes are best for oils?

[Anonymous No.6842160]

Does anyone have tips for values in Gouache? It's very frustrating that it dries to a different value when I want to nail a certain tone.

[Anonymous No.6842197]

>>6842088
oil is one of the most if not the most versatile media available. you would have to be more specific about how you want to paint. there isn't one foundational way to paint that everyone started with.

[Anonymous No.6842288]

>>6841092
No, post it retard. man I hate giving /ints/ moral support it’s a good fucking pic idk why you don’t like it but everyone else will

[Anonymous No.6842292]

>>6842088
you can mix with a brush or a knife. you can apply the paint with a brush or a knife. Sometimes I apply the paint with a literal rag or the tip of a nail it doesn't matter. I use a mix of bristle and synthetic brushes

[Anonymous No.6842407]

>>6842292
What do you use for a palette?

[Anonymous No.6842412]

>>6842197
Clive Barker's art is a huge inspiration to me. But he himself doesnt use a specific kind of brush I think

[Anonymous No.6842484]

>>6842160

That's the annoying thing about it, ain't it. Sorry to say I don't think there's a solution other than just acquiring enough experience to know what to expect. Other than that, paint a sample of the color you've mixed on a test sheet and see what it dries to before you put it on your piece.

[Anonymous No.6842494]

>>6842160
light dries darker, dark lighter
you can always use a test scrap of paper and see how it dries

[Anonymous No.6842545]

Contemplative Clowns are the peak of human art.

"The Airship Returns" Gouache and Mixed Media.

I made some mistakes early on with this piece that made it much more troublesome than I had hoped, but by the end I had loosened up enough that I think I've finally learned how to work with gouache more instinctively, and less mechanically, so in the end I think I've had a real breakthrough here.

[Anonymous No.6842632]

>>6842545
Looks beautiful anon! I love the rich colors, and its got a very pleasing and cozy character. Great job!

[Anonymous No.6842816]

bros do you think it would be worth it to save up for a charles h cecil course

[Anonymous No.6842906]

>>6842545
Thanks for posting anon
The character looks a bit off but it gives an nice uncanny feeling
The "boat" looks great

[Anonymous No.6842950]

>>6842407

You can use a tear off palette or a glass cutting board. You can also use ceramics although that's less than ideal. Just experiment.

[Anonymous No.6842967]

>>6842632

Thank You. I was pleasantly surprised with how well the rich colors worked, as reactivating and lifting up thickly layered paint has always been an issue with gouache for me. I think I may finally be getting "the touch."

>>6842906

Characters remain the most difficult to work with in gouache, but I'm glad the piece works overall.

[Anonymous No.6842981]

>>6842967
I agree, the color nuance is great. What size is the canvas?

[Anonymous No.6842982]

>>6842407
In addition to the other suggestions, plywood does the job. If you're lazy, use some acrylic binder/varnish to seal it, sand between each layer. The good thing with that is that you can cut the palette to the dimension you want.

If you have time, seal it (partially) with a few layers of boiled linseed oil + turpentines (turpentine to help the oil to penetrate in the wood). As you use the palette, it will slowly absorb some of the oil in your paint, some pigments will get trapped in the surface.

As the years go by, you'll get an imitable smooth surface.

>>6842545
It's good anon; I guess you're the one with the mongolian yurt. Having characters really add life to the piece, much better in this regard. Some suggestions: learn to soften some of those edges;try to have your hard edges where you want the viewer's attention to be. You could also try to be more suggestive in your handling of details, although it's more of a stylistic choice.

I can feel that your technique is slow and painstaking. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it might benefits you, to try to develop a more spontaneous/efficient technique, even if you want to keep a tight rendering for your final pieces.

[Anonymous No.6843008]

>>6842981

9"x12" hot press watercolor paper.

[Anonymous No.6843012]

>>6842982

Mongoloian Yurt? Oh, are you talking about this piece?

Thing about gouache is it doesn't really lend itself to soft edges the way oil based media does. Attempting to blend an edge between two colors requires a very light touch and can easily become splotchy. I struggled to even create gradients until I watched how Japanese animation BG artists do it, and the technique is something I never would have thought of on my own. You almost have to fake soft edges sometimes.

In regards to going more abstract in details, I actually had a breakthrough in that regard on this piece about halfway through. I was painting the wooden panels and I just realized if I tried to make them "realistic" I was going to kill myself, so I just said screw it and began painting much more roughly. I hope to apply this looser style to future paintings.

[Anonymous No.6843031]

>>6843012
>how Japanese animation BG artists do it
>the technique is something I never would have thought of on my own
what technique?

[Anonymous No.6843038]

>>6843012
> yurt
Yup, this one

> soft edges with gouache
Yeah I know, I've been toying with gouache extensively. You need a light touch, and to have applied the paint thickly, because the brush will remove some of it. Large gradients usually require "good" paper and to keep the surface wet-enough to blend stuff.

It's definitely technical difficult, but achievable with practice.

> details
Often being rough gives the work a more painterly style, but this can also make some things more realistic: trees are a good example, where big masses of green gives better results than painstakingly detailing the leaves.

The ability to efficiently suggests details is a good tool to have under your belt; in particular, it's fantastically useful in plein-air and where your are time-constrained.

Hope to see more of your work in the future,

[Anonymous No.6843039]

>>6843031
Not him but I would guess something like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH2q9ZJMaAU

[Anonymous No.6843041]

>>6843031
You can see it in this video. They paint the gradation normally, then lightly brush over it perpendicular to the gradient with a soft, dry brush to smooth the gradient. It's tricky to pull off but it works.

https://youtu.be/RQVe65IovtA?si=OZ1xicF5P48CAJk9

[Anonymous No.6843048]

>>6843041
that’s basic painting technique, not even gouache specific

[Anonymous No.6843066]

>>6843048
Not him but handling the amount of water on the surface/brush & the lightness of the brush touch is very gouache specific. There's no such things in oils. In acrylic you can't have too diluted paints because it breaks the binder. In watercolor things could be similar, but because they are used transparently, you don't really get the same kind of technique either.

In >>6843039's video, 6:20, the guy literally says that such washes are the hard part, and that he spent 1 week training only on the technique when he joined.

Feel free not to believe and try for yourself using different type of paints.

[Anonymous No.6843086]

>>6843066
That you believe a week is notable is telling. And yes, that's basic shit, not some japanese secret technique

[Anonymous No.6843152]

>>6843086
> And yes, that's basic shit
Are you talking from genuine, first hand experience, with gouache, and other mediums, or from mostly theoretical understanding?

Then I mean, I can give you the benefit of the doubt: either it's the former, but it was very natural and easy for you, or you've forgot how much of a struggle it was.

> That you believe a week is notable is telling
One week of daily training on the same technique, for someone who gets hired, and thus already should be expected to be decently proficient artist, I think that yes, this is telling.

Except perhaps nice things like some variants of multi-layered oils, I'm not familiar with any other technique that is similarly demanding. Do you have any in mind?

[Anonymous No.6843212]

>>6842816

Like in the flesh at the studio in Florence? I attended the atelier of a former student of his that has established their own school, but it unfortunately was only for a short while because I don't live in England. I'd sell a kidney to attend fulltime where I attended, so I imagine Cecil's atelier is pretty cool too. I did hear through the grapevine that the culture and interpersonal relationships at Cecil's studio are pretty, uuuuh, ...interesting, especially if you are female.

[Anonymous No.6843238]

>>6843212
>I'd sell a kidney to attend fulltime where I attended
And yet you don't.
Curious.

[Anonymous No.6843335]

>>6843238

What's your offer?

[Anonymous No.6843341]

>>6843335
Show kidney first

[Anonymous No.6843372]

>>6842816
FWIW, you can learn plenty on your own by being careful and highly self-critic, doing Bargue plates, still lifes, and cast studies.

Honestly if I were considering going to an atelier, I'd try to setup a schedule like 4/5h a day for 3 months, see if I can hold up and if I'd progress fast enough.

The social aspects & access to a teacher is nice though.

[Anonymous No.6843581]

>>6843048
>>6843086

I don't recall anyone using that specific technique for gradients other than these guys. It doesn't even work very well with western brushes (I've tried) and would be pointless with traditional watercolor.

Normal acrylic I suspect would be too thick to blend properly with such a soft brush and there are probablybetter techniques for that medium, but it might work with acryla gouache. I've might have seen similar techniques in oil, but I haven't studied oil painting in a couple of decades.

[Anonymous No.6843584]

>>6843581
>western brushes
jfc

[Anonymous No.6843591]

>>6843584

Can you stop being a useless, know-it-all, smartass, arrogant, punk bitch for two seconds and post an example of what YOU'RE talking about, you parasite?

[Anonymous No.6843594]

>>6843591
you’re fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.6843600]

>>6843594

Post some art or some references or useful techniques or shut up and go away forever, you thief of time.

[Anonymous No.6843601]

>>6843600
stop posting, imbecile

[Anonymous No.6843605]

>>6843591
There are techniques to deal with people like that much more efficiently/safely.

[Anonymous No.6843610]

>>6843601

You talk big for someone who doesn't post art.

[Anonymous No.6845177]

>>6822464
what the fuck brian have you been getting into anime?

[Anonymous No.6845191]

>>6840413
Nice, love these pencil studies. One of my favorite paintings. Keep going, king

[Anonymous No.6845414]

Had to tilt my phone phone at a weird angle. Might make the picture look a bit more janky.

[Anonymous No.6845490]

>>6845177
I guess I try sometimes. It’s really hard for me

[Anonymous No.6846586]

Been making slow progress. How’s my form, form-bro?

[Anonymous No.6846755]

>>6842816
Charles Cecil only does sight size, so be aware of that going in. I’ve also heard he’s a creep and chases after every pretty girl on his classes. Plus I do t think he actually teaches anymore, the other profs do all the work for him.

[Anonymous No.6846763]

>>6846755
>he fucks his students
They all do don’t be so pathetically naive. Girls take those classes to fuck the teachers. Just stay away from school dude…

[Anonymous No.6846767]

>>6846755
I hate americans so goddamn much

[Anonymous No.6846824]

Just got some painting in (I've just done some painting). Not really got an image to post. It's my 3rd landscape on the go, it's more of a diorama this one. Um. And still I've got a little church scene as well, which is vey tedious but I obviously thought it was worth while.

Thank God for that. Some progress.

[Anonymous No.6846826]

>>6846586
Yeah good, it's all there, well done.

[Anonymous No.6846827]

>>6841177
A breakthrough?

[Anonymous No.6846832]

>>6846827
Yeah I’m getting bigger into storytelling and less about fundamentals. More style more interesting stuff.

[Anonymous No.6846835]

>>6846832
aka stagnating still and working harder on fantasizing that you're some misunderstood genius rather than a /beg/ level painter with a fragile ego.

[Anonymous No.6846852]

>>6846832
Gosh that's good.

[Anonymous No.6846873]

>>6846586

Form-bro here. Still pretty mushy to be perfectly frank with you, keep at it though, practice is the only way forward. Don't forget to draw either and focus on structure in your drawings. I like your gradients.

[Anonymous No.6846887]

Fun wip :) Any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6846945]

Drawing through the pain

[Anonymous No.6846972]

>>6846835
Holy projection Batman

[Anonymous No.6846988]

I didn't draw this but its kino so I wanted to post it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaiOpQg65U

[Anonymous No.6847021]

>>6846988
The brushworks kind of stale, feel like this should be an ink drawing or etching and not a painting

[Anonymous No.6847025]

>>6846988
The horse is the best part the rest doesn’t live up to the horse. That reflective light on the horses hair though is really nice

[Anonymous No.6847027]

>>6846832
Wow you actually did a painting with light sources and not bullshit surrealism

[Anonymous No.6847030]

>>6846832
You can do it, Brian! I believe in you!

[Anonymous No.6847053]

>>6846988
Uncanny image, like AI generated Kinkade meets Downton Abbey
Also: wtf is going on with this chick's arms?

[Anonymous No.6847061]

>>6847053
She has boobs

[Anonymous No.6847066]

>>6847061
Yeah, and???
Doesn't explain why her arms are longer than a barge pole and how her hands appear to originate from her dress instead of being connected to said arms.

[Anonymous No.6847162]

>>6847066
her wrists are bent up and coming at the viewer
stop seething

[Anonymous No.6847237]

repainted a portrait from an year ago

[Anonymous No.6847239]

>>6847237
focused on edges as an anon advised me to

[Anonymous No.6847269]

sorolla

[Anonymous No.6847347]

>>6846873
Thanks for the crit, I agree with you. This was my summer break so I’ve been painting on my own, but now I’m back to taking some classes where I’ll be focusing a lot on structure, anatomy and doing mostly drawing.

[Anonymous No.6847465]

>>6847066
And, you're focusing on the wrong thing, simple as.

[Anonymous No.6847468]

>>6847239
That's much better, on edge, chroma, temperature, composition, paint application. Really good anon.

If I wanted to improve it a touch, I would soften the jaw's sharp edges, and harden some edges on her right eye. But you need not to harden everything fully, this needs to be subtle, so that you don't have something too line-ish.

Then, don't hesitate to make a few drapery studies, yours feel a bit weak IMO. It's not critical because they are secondary, but you can find ways to make still make them interesting (look at Sargent), and find ways to improve the background (storytelling maybe?)

[Anonymous No.6847472]

>>6847239
Compress those shadows!!!

[Anonymous No.6847567]

>>6847162
>>6847465
kek
I guess I shouldn't bring up how the chick on the horse only has one leg, unless the horse is a cardboard cutout. a polished turd like this would look okay in the 1800s but not now when so many references to improve it are one google search away.

But hey, why bother with learning the basics when you're a female influencer and even /ic/ will simp for you

[Anonymous No.6847580]

>>6847567
>asks question
>gets answer
>seethes harder

[Anonymous No.6847583]

>>6847567
>chick on the horse only has one leg
Man, that kind of über sexist ableism is the reason the world is going to shit.

If it has boobs and is well-rendered, it's a good piece, period. Limbs are overrated, torso is all you really *need* anyway.

[Anonymous No.6847598]

>>6847580
>whiteknights even harder
She's not reading this thread you know

>>6847583
Lol

[Anonymous No.6847608]

>>6847598
I didn’t even know it was a she until you started screeching about it, retard
I literally redlined the hand for you, stop broadcasting your dunning kruger and start painting so you can get attention and not seethe impotently in a dead tread on 4chinz

[Anonymous No.6847618]

>>6847608
Redline the whole arm
Redline the broad on the horse
Redline the entire image while you're at it

[Anonymous No.6847621]

>>6847618
draw literally anything

[Anonymous No.6847660]

>>6847621
You first

[Anonymous No.6847672]

>>6847621
>>6847660
So, when's the wedding you jolly fellows?

[Anonymous No.6847763]

>>6847583
Ah yes, the Comforti method. Tried and true. Technically the Courbet method!!!

[Anonymous No.6847785]

>>6847763
Shhhhht, don't say his name out loud, you crazy. Speaking of the devil, I saw him redditing: https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/169cqkh/wading_in_waist_high_water_dumb40_me_oil_2023/

Yet something seems to have gone wrong: https://www.reddit.com/user/Dumb40/

[Anonymous No.6847815]

>>6847785
Lmao, found another nutjob poster here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/comments/16lx3og/rihanna_and_the_black_mamba_crakahman_me_acrylic/

[Anonymous No.6847874]

so nobody here can paint ,huh?

[Anonymous No.6848045]

>>6836128
nice I genuinely would display that

[Anonymous No.6848099]

>>6847815
Gosh they're pitiful.

>>6847874
Hm? Look at how this anon improved over a year: >>6847237 vs. >>6847239. All those are quite good technically: >>6846586 >>6837148 >>6823801 >>6823017 >>6843610

I'm not posting here, but my work's good too; I'm just giving free advises 'cause I'm a nice fellow.

[Anonymous No.6848331]

>>6847874
Why would I post my IRL work here so that I can get linked from here to my sales? I want to continue making a living, thanks.
I've posted plenty in years gone by, it's the young'uns turn now,

[Anonymous No.6848337]

>>6848099
I love how I’m always the top seller of original art on the platform of my choice but then here comes rando anon to say he’s actually the most successful dude here. Negro I for a fact know that’s not true cause it’s me. If God exists it’s fucking ME

[Anonymous No.6848344]

>>6848337
god doesn’t live in his mom’s house

[Anonymous No.6848360]

>>6823017
Great job, by far the best work in this thread. One small comment though: check your colors. I think you’re putting in way too much blue. At least the reproduction I’ve seen of that painting is much warmer than yours, using mostly yellow ochre and maybe some neutral grays. Your shadow up on the pillars is super blue, same goes for the shadow on the bottom part of the robe.

[Anonymous No.6848367]

>>6848344
“Your mom’s house” my dad lives here too. Biological dad, not all of us have divorced failure parents

[Anonymous No.6848370]

>>6848367
not all of our parents have failure sons

[Anonymous No.6848378]

>>6848370
Not all of us have to watch our mom cuck our dad every night of their childhood while he sleeps in a motel and tries to get his life back together

[Anonymous No.6848481]

>>6822436
I have been sketching master studies with touhous because i want to make oil paintings, this one i plan on doing it on a 18x24

[Anonymous No.6848486]

>>6848481
This one also

[Anonymous No.6848726]

Making progress.

[Anonymous No.6848839]

>>6848337
That's a strawman, not what I said.

I personally cannot consider on the same ground rushed "impressionists" boobies doodles on the same ground as technically sound art.

Picasso may sell for millions, he never did anything remotely close to consistent quality work. It's closer to money grabbing than art.

While I do have a personal opinion, I'm not judging, simply stating that those are two very different things, that cannot be compared. It's unfair to put them on the same ground.

It's like comparing mcdo with some fine French food. Different categories.

[Anonymous No.6848867]

>>6848337
Is this guy actually insane?

[Anonymous No.6848870]

>>6848360
Hopefully it's just a white balance issue. Phone cameras love turning paintings yellow or blue.

[Anonymous No.6848895]

>>6848867
I don't think so.

He seems to have set for himself as a goal to not reach beyond famous artists from the last century or so, with their unrefined techniques, and it seems to be sufficient for him to make a living.

I mean, in this frame of reference, if you consider Matisse, Picasso & cie as the ceiling, by comparison, he's definitely a "fantastic artist". But that can be said of pretty much anyone, given the low requirements. So it's rather meaningless.

So, I think it's more that he's lazy/looking for an easy way, instead of working hard. Again, I have my opinion on this, but I'm not judging, people do what the heck they want with their life.

>>6848870
On my low-end android, there are options to tweak the white balance/exposure & cie. Pretty sure this is standard (google around, there's a "Pro" tab on the (my) stock Camera app)

[Anonymous No.6848948]

>>6848895
Interesting. I don't know why he's so angry. Seems like he could harness that and use it as some kind of creative motivation, instead of just doing paintings that look like they took two hours to paint and half an hour to mess up.

[Anonymous No.6848953]

[Anonymous No.6848954]

>>6848948
>I don't know why he's so angry
Because he's been shitted on for years with the same arguments, probably; not an excuse tho, just a cause.

[Anonymous No.6849029]

>>6848954
I hope I'm not so angry when I find stability and success in spite of my peers.

[Anonymous No.6849050]

>>6849029
I believe that is called stable diffusion

[Anonymous No.6849119]

>>6848839
>Picasso never dud consistent quality work

Clearly you are an amateur enjoyer of art. The blue and rose periods of Picasso clearly show a consistency but he pushed the medium in a direction that would also be seen in the futurists.
I'm not following this entire argument between you and Brian (neither am I huge fan of his work), but he is making a living from his work. And that is more than most anons on here can say.

[Anonymous No.6849123]

>>6848953
Gone with the blastwave?

[Anonymous No.6849132]

>>6848948
>>6849029
>why
nigga looks like an indian bin laden

[Anonymous No.6849159]

>>6849123
I painted this before I read that comic, but yeah, it's a pretty similar look.

[Anonymous No.6849186]

>>6848726

[Anonymous No.6849235]

>>6849119
>Clearly you are an amateur enjoyer of art
My eyes are rolling.

> The blue and rose periods of Picasso clearly show a consistency but [...]
The expression I used was "consistent quality". Example: I consistently go to the toilet;it doesn't imply that what I produce is worthy of praise.

What Picasso did had nothing to do with fine-art. There's no finesse, at all. Neither on the technique, nor on the way he interpreted subjects. Again, I think he was more of a money grabber than an artist;there's nothing wrong with that in the absolute (we can have divergent opinions), but that's just the way it is.

Just look at *studies* made by *students* one generation before him: https://ramonhurtado.com/19cdatabase..

>>6849186
It's good, but it has a creepy vibe

[Anonymous No.6849260]

>>6849235

Cool link anon, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6849389]

>>6849235
>no finess

Like I said you have a limited appreciation of art

[Anonymous No.6849430]

>>6848948
>I don't know why he's so angry.
because I spent the first 30 years of my life drawing and painting nonstop for no money, with no social life, and no escape from my situation other than the hope that maybe I'd be able to sell one of these stupid things one day. So yeah. I do it for fucking money. Go fucking figure.

I'm not really an angry person now, maybe a bit more flippant towards people that say retarded to shit to me but I was angry before. I have been angry, it's just there was nothing to do about it. What? Punch a wall? Who cares! Nobody is even around to see me do that, I'm not a fucking movie character I'm just alone in a basement playing video games.

It's amazing I even was able to have a girlfriend at one point because I was so completely isolated from everyone else. I had a few friends I wasn't totally by myself but most people are very sheltered by how normal their life has been. I have no concept of most accepted experiences you're supposed to have in your teens through your 20s. I just fucking worked every day. I didn't have a fucking choice. I enjoyed life too much to kill myself (gay and retarded solution to any problem), but I spent it alone for the most part.

I've only recently started to even enjoy painting. I despised it every time I had to do it before this year. Same with video games. I fucking hated video games I just had nothing else to do. But I'm coming to enjoy all this stuff.

[Anonymous No.6849468]

>>6849389
In case you think those are comparable technically to the drawings of the earlier link, you couldn't be further away from the truth.

I wouldn't be surprised that you've actually never really studied those kind of advanced drawings;some aspects of them can't really be appreciated until you actually do some thorough copies, simply because your eyes just can't perceive them.

That was for the technical side.

Now for the subject matter, really there's nothing impressive here either. There's a bit of gloomy mood, and that's it. The mood on those academies however are much less gloomy, much more relaxed

Amusingly, this one also has a strong cool "blue" (moon) light emphasis
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/62df1e0e137e254590e47e5f/989631f7-7b49-44bb-b20b-c073e486a4c1/Gustave+Courtois+Oil+on+canvas+78.74+x+64.77+cm+%2831+x+25+12+in.%29+link+this+Weir%27s+process+description.jpg

This one, you can feel the skeleton:
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/62df1e0e137e254590e47e5f/812d35ec-6b2c-4bc8-aa1e-54526ff29002/Rosell%C3%B3+y+Prados%2C+Jos%C3%A9+b1835%2C+ecole+w+Cabanel%2C+ca1862+charcoal+on+Michallet+-San+Fernando.jpg

Many of them have more or less subtle emotional hints. The guitar player OTOH is a cadaver;the woman looked bored/neutral

[Anonymous No.6849477]

>>6849468
what are u arguing about? That people in the 1800s were good at art? No shit. Thats whats weird about people saying that I "just want to draw like impressionists". Like yeah I fucking do. And I'll probably never get there.

If a pianist said he wanted to play Mozart you wouldn't be like WOW what a low bar, pianists are SO much better today you wanna sound like shitty old Mozart. It's so fucking stupid.

I don't cast aspersions on any artist that is either dead or was born before me. I don't care. I just assume they were better. It's so fucking lame to think otherwise. I don't think things are "worse" today in that sense, I just think the effort expected out of a single work of art is different. In the Renaissance those guys made like 20 paintings in their entire life. By Picasso he made around 10,000. Me working today? I've made around probably 7000 works of art just in ten years. Different scale. We sell to global markets now so me as an individual artist has to produce on such a huge scale compared to what was made in the past.

[Anonymous No.6849514]

>>6849477
> what are u arguing about
I'm arguing that Picasso was essentially a money grabber, and can't be compared to fine-artists, because there is no finesse in his works.

> Thats whats weird about people saying that I "just want to draw like impressionists". Like yeah I fucking do. And I'll probably never get there.
I'm using the term "impressionist" *very* loosely. "Impressionism" has for the most part always existed. The impressionists were people with a few good ideas, but their lack of respect for fine-art, and their inability to forbear the tedious and difficult academical training, both prevented them to achieve anything of value.

Modern people with solid technical skills are now able to really exploit the ideas of impressionists to a much greater extent.

> If a pianist said he wanted to play Mozart you wouldn't be like WOW what a low bar, pianists are SO much better today you wanna sound like shitty old Mozart. It's so fucking stupid.
Hm? The impressionists are closer the Rihannas of visual arts, not the Mozarts.
Rubens, Raphael, Rembrandt, Bouguereau, etc. those are the Mozarts.

>In the Renaissance those guys made like 20 paintings in their entire life.
Raphael was prolific;Michelangelo made numerous sculptures.
Leonardo was the least prolific, but his legacy is different; he was the only one writing a treatise about art, and his anatomical studies... well, they still bear fruits today: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-leonardo-gave-top-surgeon-change-of-heart-dfjgv0kl8x6

> We sell to global markets now so me as an individual artist has to produce on such a huge scale compared to what was made in the past.
Brian, you're not the only guy selling paintings in the world. Some people sell less volume, but get a few thousands per piece, because they are truly skilled, and there's a market for that. Like, https://tischler.nz/gallery/..

And his dozens (hundreds probably) of studies aren't listed. Not sure if he even offers them for sale.

[Anonymous No.6849574]

>>6849430
hey maybe try being good at painting incel sperg. wild how you flip between being the best painter ever in your own mind and a shrivelled depressed nobody in the next sentence. Sounds like you're just a low status male who clings to painting because its the only thing that gives you a sense of worth even though objectively you arent very good at it. Maybe give a shit and stop having the most fragile ego in the world and you'd improve.
(this is the part where you ignore anyone who suggests that you practice and scream about how you're just like van gogh and so misunderstood. Ready? Go!)

[Anonymous No.6849587]

>>6849468

Based as hell. This sorry excuse for a board needs more people like you.

[Anonymous No.6849593]

>>6849574
Ok fag

[Anonymous No.6849594]

lmao cumfarti btfo

[Anonymous No.6849618]

>>6849514
Monet, Sargent, Mancini, Sorolla (all impressionists) are no worse than the mozarts you quoted,

[Anonymous No.6849647]

>>6849594
Aw damn AGAIN? OMG BTFO FOR AGAIN TIMES? Aw man okay I guess I gotta stop painting shit fuck you guys finally won aw fucking fuck fuck fag fuck gj

[Anonymous No.6849682]

>>6849618
>Monet, Sargent, Mancini, Sorolla (all impressionists)
Yeah, it really depends on what qualifies as "impressionist".

I was mainly referring to those with limited academical abilities (the "original" French impressionists). Compare for example Sargent/Sorolla to https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/the-beach-at-trouville/VAEuv4vvEvVtPw?hl=en-GB : the difference in skills is considerable.

Monet often has an relatively novel (for the time) use of color, and a few good landscapes, but he's too hasty and not diligent enough in his figures, which are almost always clumsy looking.

[Anonymous No.6849692]

>>6849618
>Monet, Sargent, Mancini, Sorolla
One of these things is not like the others.

[Anonymous No.6849697]

serious question, is brian mentally ill?

[Anonymous No.6849864]

>>6849697
No I’m just happy. I’m not a miserable incel virgin fuck and I’m not a delusional gymrat rapist weirdo. I’m literally just some fucking guy, wouldn’t have it any other way

[Anonymous No.6849868]

>>6849864
unprompted brian:
>uggghhh im such a loser nobody understands me siiiigh im so misunderstood im such a good painter siiigh i cant stop playing LoL and chasing nasty art hoe pussy wahhhh life is so hard sighh

brian when called out:
>Im just happy and normal u mad looool

the faggot's paradox

[Anonymous No.6849872]

>>6849868
Kill yourself fag

[Anonymous No.6849878]

>6849477
Mental meltdown aside,
>We sell to global markets now so me as an individual artist has to produce on such a huge scale compared to what was made in the past.
This is complete nonsense. You've decided to go the route of churning out quick and sloppy-looking paintings, there's lots of artists who work at a much slower pace. Don't delude yourself that this is somehow "global markets"' fault.

>6849514
>I'm arguing that Picasso was essentially a money grabber, and can't be compared to fine-artists, because there is no finesse in his works.
Finesse isn't what makes fine art, if it were, all the schlock churned out by third world illustration studios for video games would be fine art.

>The impressionists were people with a few good ideas, but their lack of respect for fine-art, and their inability to forbear the tedious and difficult academical training, both prevented them to achieve anything of value.
Dunning-Kruger at full force.

[Anonymous No.6849884]

>>6849872
hahah seething. imagine being so delusional that you post that garbage scribble as a "mic drop"

[Anonymous No.6849890]

>>6849878
>Finesse isn't what makes fine art,
Rolling eyes. Here: https://www.wordreference.com/fren/finesse

> vidya
Anon, getting "fine" digitally is trivial conpared to with trad. Let alone the fact that industry work is polarized by rentability (photobash, 3d model, etc.)

> Dunning-Kruger at full force
Again, I was thinking of the original Frenchies who were rejected by the Academy because, well, sucked.

How arrogant by the way. Humbleness would suit you well

[Anonymous No.6849912]

>>6849878
Finesse has nothing to do with fineness?
. . . What?

[Anonymous No.6849922]

>>6849912
It’s that retards word of the day just go with it. I’ve never heard or read the word “finesse” in any art criticism context.

[Anonymous No.6849923]

>>6849890
Can all the retards please leave this thread, a lot of weird shit talking happening by people who I don’t think ever post work in these threads

[Anonymous No.6850002]

>>6849923
I've posted multiple times already, here's another. Why do you have an impressionistic pirate ship in dull colors with a giant cartoon jolly roger on it? If you're having fun, why is your art so bleak? If you're doing your own thing, why is your subject matter so derivative? If you're being an impressionist, why do you have so many contrived, invented elements in your work?

As much as I don't like Monet, there's still something to his method which I appreciate, which I'm not seeing in your stuff. Your paintings seem to have been painted in two phases, the painting phase and the messing up phase. It looks like the messy impressionist flourishes are added on top of more straightforward painting. If you're going to paint impressionistically, the spontaneity has to be there from the beginning, influencing the very construction and context of the painting. Then you pull it together to look like something. Your portrait with the green splotches on it is chaos on top of order, when impressionism is order from chaos.

>inb4 "don't care"
Well, I guess that's everyone's issue. That much is apparent. But you seem to not care fairly loudly.

[Anonymous No.6850064]

>>6850002
>why do you have a method of working other than what is accepted as correct
Because I’m a human being with a soul and free will. Any other questions?

[Anonymous No.6850072]

>>6850064
Cute. Implying I'm appealing to authority with a spurious appeal to humanity.
Sounds like you've got it all figured out. We're all just people doing stuff, right? Guess that means that, as well as your art being legitimate, all criticism of it is legitimate as well, because nobody needs to prove anything to be valid, and the retards do not need to leave the thread because they have souls and free will.

[Anonymous No.6850137]

>>6850002
Wtf is your problem man get off Brian’s dick. Go touch grass. He’s living his life and you’re a pretentious art snob. You are adding nothing other than same fagging yourself and shitting up the thread. Lots of amateur people post work here but you talk about intangible shit and how xyz makes you feel. Did Brian fuck your girl? Are you a fucking loser? Just move the fuck on retard.

[Anonymous No.6850138]

>>6850072
OK!!!!!! COOL!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.6850141]

>>6850137
It’s either my ex girlfriend or her new boyfriend there’s honestly no telling. Either way they should kill themselves, preferably together in a suicide pact

[Anonymous No.6850144]

>brings up cuckoldry out of nowhere earlier
>now brings up his gfs new boyfriend unprompted
really activates my almonds

[Anonymous No.6850149]

>>6850144
give it a fucking rest dude you just cant fucking stop. can you stop analyzing everything this guy says like a cocksucking faggot?

[Anonymous No.6850151]

>>6850144
go outside

[Anonymous No.6850152]

>>6850137
>>6850138
>>6850141

I love how samefaggers always make an accusation of samefagging. Nothing for hours and then three posts within two minutes, one of which would be the only Brian defender in the whole thread, sandwiched between two Brian posts.

Also, as I said, I've been posting plenty of my own stuff.

[Anonymous No.6850157]

>>6850149
>>6850151
samefag harder, you malding cuck

[Anonymous No.6850159]

>>6849618
nhb they actually are. in particular rubens and raphael solved challenges that were much more difficult and much more diverse, while being informed by a more expansive worlds. their works require more invention because their works were composed not from what is directly seen nor from photography.
i say this as someone who thinks rubens is overrated.

[Anonymous No.6850160]

>>6850152
Dude, I don’t know Brian from Adam. But I do know you’re an egotistical douche and you’ve proved it to everyone here. Happy?dn4ga2

[Anonymous No.6850162]

>>6850160
Define "everyone".

[Anonymous No.6850166]

>>6850162
All the voices living in my head. Now kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6850176]

>>6850166
Wow, you telling me to kill myself really made me want to kill myself. It took a lot of willpower to resist.

>not really an angry person now
Get over yourself, and quit lying to people on this board, as if what we believe will somehow have an influence on your life. You will become a much happier person if you can diminish the importance of your self in your mind, and defer to literally anything else of greater importance. Also, stop smoking so much pot. You are literally insane, and you need some kind of mental rock to stabilize yourself with. Stop searching for meaning within yourself, that's the path to insanity. It's somewhere out there, in the world which is infinitely bigger than you. It shows in your art, all you can do is remix ideas that are already sitting in there. It's like when autists make jokes, and there's a whole middle part they expect you to understand but they never said out loud. You're clearly just stewing in your own juices, eating yourself alive from the inside.

[Anonymous No.6850181]

>>6850176
Haha I’m literally someone else

And your doing the same self absorbed stuff you’re asking your ex to stop doing. Jesus write each other emails. Get the fuck off the board

[Anonymous No.6850183]

>>6850176
Begone thot

[Anonymous No.6850366]

>>6849922
The discipline is called *fine*-art anon. It's the same root. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/finesse

Also depends on what kind of art critique your process; I've definitely heard fine-artists used it

[Anonymous No.6850522]

you stupid fucks are arguing and meanwhile i painted like 9 paintings in the last 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.6850541]

>>6850522
brian paints 9 a day, too bad they’re all shit

[Anonymous No.6850603]

so anyway how bout that trad art

[Anonymous No.6850612]

>6849890
>>Finesse isn't what makes fine art,
>Rolling eyes. Here: https://www.wordreference.com/fren/finesse
Is the eye-rolling some symptom of brain damage you have? Or do you really think arguing from the dictionary is a good argumentative strategy?
You started by saying that lack of finesse is what disqualifies something from being fine art. "Finesse" in art is a term that signifies delicate handling of medium, typical of classical and neoclassical painting that aimed to obscure the presence of brushwork and give a tightly rendered appearance. "Fine art" is a term that distinguishes art that is made with no practical use in mind. Hence your rejection of art that lacks finesse as not fine is idiotic. Picasso was a fine artist, regardless of his rough handling of the material.
>Anon, getting "fine" digitally is trivial conpared to with trad. Let alone the fact that industry work is polarized by rentability (photobash, 3d model, etc.)
Which is completely irrelevant to my point about the "finesse" demarcation you made earlier.
>How arrogant by the way. Humbleness would suit you well
I won't be taking pointers on humbleness from someone evidently wrong about the subject he's discussing.

[Anonymous No.6850616]

>>6849912
"Finesse" is a word used to classify a certain way of handling the material. In the context of painting it refers to dexterity when rendering which shows a high degree of workmanship. For example, rendering every wrinkle on a long dress with attention to details of lighting as it bounces of the changing curvature would be a case of finesse.

It has nothing to do with the distinction of "fineness" in the word "fine art", which refers to art made without a specific utility in mind. A painted cover for a chocolate box packaging informing you of what chocolates are inside is not fine art because it has a utilitarian purpose in its origin - it's commercial signaling. Fine art is fine because it does not aim to be supplementary to something - but of course later on it can be repurposed in this manner.

[Anonymous No.6850725]

>>6850612
>>6850616
It seems you're right, on the syntax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_art).).

But regardless, the core of the argument is: you can't put on the same ground a Picasso, and say, an academical drawing. The skills involved, the difficulty, the amount of effort and training, simply, by large, aren't comparable.

It's an objective observation.

Reserving the word "fine-art" for actually fine art isn't incongruous, however uncommon. The intention was clear from context anyway, which seems to indicate a lack of good-will.

> You won't get a (You)
And it's definitely confirmed by that sort of childish behavior.

Hell, why on Earth am I losing my time with you.

[Anonymous No.6850824]

>>6850612
Do you think fine carpentry is wrong to obscure tool-marks?

[Anonymous No.6850939]

Why don't you finesse my cock outta ya mother's ass