/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[famous artist school edition No.6784668]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous >>6781387

[Anonymous No.6784671]

Does anyone actually use the loomis construction method for the figure at all?
It's weird, It feels awful to draw
It takes me a solid 20 minutes to draw the regular straight standing pose one
Not even taking into consideration trying to use it in perspective
I tried using on poses and everything just fell apart

I've been trying to learn it but I've struggling so damn hard
I'm considering dropping it

Am I just too stupid?
Should I give up?
Just give it to me straight at this point...

[Anonymous No.6784673]

>>6784671
>Does anyone actually use the loomis construction method for the figure at all?
No.
Use Hampton's method

[Anonymous No.6784675]

>>6784673
Then why have I never seen a JP pro shilling for Hampton before?

[Anonymous No.6784678]

>>6784668
Blessed, OP. Thank you for the course recc.

God, I fucking love piracy.

[Anonymous No.6784684]

[Anonymous No.6784693]

>>6784675
Then why even ask this dumb retard question if you don't care for the answer.

Literally just keep drawing until becomes faster. It's like 20 lines to place a simplified mannequin in space

[Anonymous No.6784697]

>>6784693
I do care for an answer!
I'm just trying to see if there's any common ground anywhere!

JP's shill Loomis but it sucks
People here shill Huston but nobody uses it
Then there's Hide which is simple...too simple and it makes me suspicious

I just don't want to mess up
I already sank so much time on Loomis just for me to not understand anything

[Anonymous No.6784700]

>>6784697
Same thing with vilppu!
I have seen ONE established artist vouch for him

But everybody here says he's the best
Then I try to watch his figure drawing course
And he spends 90% talking in riddles about "feeling" stuff!??

God. Maybe I am too stupid for this after all

[Anonymous No.6784703]

>>6784697
>I'm just trying to see if there's any common ground anywhere!
The only common ground is that everyone will shill someone different fiercely defend their arbitrary choice.

The "secret" is to pick one and stick with it long enough.

[Anonymous No.6784714]

What do you think

[Anonymous No.6784715]

>>6784668
im sorry but these beg op images aren't fun when they don't include drawings from the previous thread

[Anonymous No.6784717]

>>6784697
Let's see what Hampton has to say about his method. Oh wow it's all the fucking same!
It takes years to learn to draw no matter how many meme 1 year progress memecharts you look at. You think you can just make it by reading 10 pages of Loomis? Apply yourself and stop crying

[Anonymous No.6784719]

>>6784671
nobody follows this method, loomis is praised for his head construction method which is unbeatable

[Anonymous No.6784727]

Don't you feel guilty about stealing other artist's instructions/manuals/tools/brushes/courses?
Likewise, if you worship a floating-in-the-sky hebraic pot demon, don't you realise that doing these sends you straight to hell?
Oh wait you're an atheist, that's why you can steal guilt-free.

[Anonymous No.6784730]

>>6784727
No?
>you’re an atheist, that’s why you can steal guilt-free
Yes.

[Anonymous No.6784743]

Don’t know how to proceed with the background. Trees are just thick vertical lines, right?

[Anonymous No.6784762]

Here are some more heads, need to work on everything. I did these last night as I work to 12 am so I draw from around 12:30 am to 6 am. Going to look up some head drawing courses and photoshop stuff later this week when I am off work.

[Anonymous No.6784765]

>>6784714
wtf is that a painting?
Verry nice~!

[Anonymous No.6784770]

>>6784762
Overlay your drawing onto the reference, all of your drawings are catastrophically wrong.
It sounds obvious but, in order for your study to look like the reference, it has to actually match up with the reference. If you don’t have the lines right then any rendering/coloring you do will fall apart.

[Anonymous No.6784771]

>>6784714
I think it looks like AI

[Anonymous No.6784781]

>>6784717
source?

[Anonymous No.6784785]

>>6784770
Ok, I'll do that.

[Anonymous No.6784786]

>>6784727
>Don't you feel guilty about stealing other artist's instructions/manuals/tools/brushes/courses?
I give a lot of my time here and elsewhere; I should balance itself.

Also, I buy lots of books;I mostly pirate stuff to check it out before buying, but mostly because it's so much more convenient to not work from a screen.

[Anonymous No.6784789]

>>6784668
I can't fucking into figure drawing at all. I use sketchdaily and set it to 60 seconds and I can make a barely readable, out of proportion, and inaccurate figure.
I thought i was mid to high beg because I've used references in the past to make half decent pinups. Nevermind humbled, I'm damn near demoralized.

[Anonymous No.6784792]

>>6784789
Stop doing them timed.

[Anonymous No.6784793]

Whats the lore behind merc wip

[Anonymous No.6784796]

>>6784793
Concept artist who made it posted it as a flex and everyone laughed at him for making art that, while technically good, is soulless and unappealing.

[Anonymous No.6784809]

>>6784796
Damn I guess you can never escape the crabs even if you factually make it.

[Anonymous No.6784812]

>>6784809
All a matter of perspective right? If for example someone who made a living off of drawing capeshit for marvel came in here they'd probably get similarly scorned because of the board's general attitudes towards comics.

[Anonymous No.6784823]

>>6784812
In short: this place sucks.

[Anonymous No.6784834]

>>6784789
Timed drawing is literal crab advice, I seriously think pros do it just to fuck with people and slow them down.
You are not doing reps at the gym, you are LEARNING a complex skill, which means you need to THINK about what you are doing and do it CORRECTLY. A hundred 60 second drawings that are all wrong will teach you exactly nothing. The only way to learn is by thinking about your mistakes and fixing them, everything else is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.6784853]

I want to kill myself again

[Anonymous No.6784857]

>>6784834
It helps me overcome the immense obstacle that is the empty canvas. If I only have sixty seconds to commit a figure to paper, then I need to get started right away, and I can find comfort in knowing it will be over soon.

[Anonymous No.6784859]

>>6784853
>no foreskin
Americans are so weird.

[Anonymous No.6784870]

>>6784853
Stop looking at nude men and your life quality will skyrocket.

Also that's a 15 hour drawing by someone with years of practice. Don't take it too hard (heh).

[Anonymous No.6784889]

>>6784857
You need both though. Timed sketches help build an instinct for form and gesture, but you need longer sessions where you analyze and begin to understand the body. Think of it this way, the part of your brain the does quickdraws is pulling from the information you've built up during longer sessions. Long analysis builds up that data and quickdraw organizes and makes your access to that data more efficient.

[Anonymous No.6784896]

>>6784859
>looks at the dick of some wrinkly old man
>calls others weird

[Anonymous No.6784901]

From imagination

[Anonymous No.6784947]

is this guy any good? i keep getting his videos recommended to me and while his art looks pretty good, i can't really tell whether somebody is good to learn from or not

[Anonymous No.6784952]

>>6784870
>a 15 hour drawin
What are you doing on a drawing that takes 15 hours to complete it? Especially in black and white? Is it the autism needed to render accurately?

[Anonymous No.6784958]

>>6784789
My negro, the most a beg can draw in 60 seconds is an extremely simple gesture with few lines to convey the line of action. Even professional artists take several minutes to draw a figure. And they usually do it, because they are used to drawing from life and a model can't keep pose for more that few minutes, unless it's very balanced and boring pose. Where did you learn that you should try to cram figure drawing in 60 seconds?
You should take timer as more of a suggestion. Spend a minute looking at the pose, then several minutes drawing it, then again spend a minute analyzing what you got wrong. Then do it all over again and fix the mistakes of the previous attempt.
Timer should just remind you that you don't need spend 20 minutes, polishing a single turd.

[Anonymous No.6784964]

>>6784952
Accurately measuring, taking it slow to be precise. After you're done putting in all the figures major and minor masses you could be 5 hours in. Shading can take even more. Lightly building up the form, controlling how much value you add in a given time. I'd believe it that something like that takes as much. You can't afford to be imprecise or to go too heavily with shading. Any good piece of work can seem autistic if we go purely by time invested.

[Anonymous No.6784970]

>>6784947
T. b. q. h. if you like his art, then he’s good.
Conversely if a teacher’s art sucks then don’t learn from them.

[Anonymous No.6784971]

>>6784958
And to piggyback on this if you like the timer as a way to get over the fear of drawing use that as a first checkpoint rather than a definite stopping point. Do you think there's something there that's worth exploring? Then continue the drawing and if you're not feeling it then stop.

>>6784947
Most artists who are better than you have something worth teaching. It's good to explore a lot of different teachers. Learning to understand what a teacher has to offer that's worthwhile and when to draw the line and question their wisdom is an important skill.

[Anonymous No.6784994]

why can i only finish a drawing when its lazy comfy shit

[Anonymous No.6785000]

>>6784952
A good academy used to take at least 10h. 15h is two days of work; it's nothing.

[Anonymous No.6785002]

I redid my archer

[Anonymous No.6785009]

>>6785002
I love this! So cute. I can't tell if she is wearing tights or not though, her legs look to be a slightly different tone from her face and its a tiny bit confusing.

[Anonymous No.6785018]

>>6785009
Yeah she's wearing like these brown tights, wanted to show the leg but not have her naked still...Maybe a different hue then. Right now I'm also working on these drawings for her. I'm kind of married to the idea I set forth in my thumbnail so I know I want some kind of brown

[Anonymous No.6785019]

>>6785009
NTA, but it looks like they're leggings. Look at the color of the gloves

[Anonymous No.6785020]

>>6785018
i reckon make them not cling to the legs quite as much then, her knees and shins being so defined is what makes her legs look naked still

[Anonymous No.6785021]

>>6785018
I love her, that totally makes sense. I'm definitely just retarded. Her look with the hood up is so great, she looks adorable yet also slightly feral and it's just perfect.

[Anonymous No.6785022]

>>6784671
Just read and copy the heads skip everything else.

[Anonymous No.6785027]

>>6784994
Discipline is earned, not given. If you jump straight into a piece that is complex you might have a hard time overcoming the mental inhibition that is telling you it doesn't want to invest 20 hours into something you don't even know at least 1 other person will care about. Going start to finish is important. Knowing yourself is most important. Don't bite off more than you can chew, but try to push your own boundaries.
Pretty cute piece, even with the anatomy faux pas.

>>6784958
It really feels like most /beg/ niggas in these threads would have severely needed a drawing course that forces them to draw a composition of a cube, a cylinder and a pyramid for 3 sessions of 45 minutes. They want to go fast, but they don't understand when it would be appropriate. Going slow to build your knowledge so you can go fast. When you don't understand "it", you can't go fast and do it right.

>>6785002
Looks like you like thighs the most, anon, since look like they had the most work put into them. I don't remember if you made alterations to her arms from the previous version, but they do stick out. Feels like they should be a bit longer. Hands a bit larger, the leftmost hand's thumb's palm area's too large. Also you seems like you went too flat for her head and neck when compared to the thighs, it would be better if the shaded area of her neck had a second/darker level of shadow similar to her thighs since it is under a hood and her head.
Overall I think it's a solid piece, background choice is well done. I wish you'll show as much love to my nitpicks as you did to the thighs for your next one.

[Anonymous No.6785032]

i absolutely HATE digital with all my fucking heart, it fucking sucks nigger cocks god I hate this fucking stupid Ipad I bought it feels like fucking shit drawing on it no matter how many matte protectors, apple pencil 2 or whatever fucking faggot shit I use it feels like fucking shit holy fuck how did I get memed into buying one when literally nothing can and never will replicate the feel of pencil on paper FUCK

[Anonymous No.6785038]

>>6785032
Honestly the only thing I've tried that comes even close to the feeling is the intuos pro from 2017 but if I were you I wouldnt buy it either because then you'd bitch about the disconnect of drawing but having to look at your monitor.
I say stick to trad. Cant deny how much better it feels, but digital has so many advantages its ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.6785041]

>>6785032
Why did you get an iPad to draw with instead of a traditional computer + tablet set up? I feel like drawing on an iPad would feel dinky for me even and I've been doing digital since I was a kid so I am super comfortable with it.

[Anonymous No.6785058]

>>6785027
No, I made the arms considerably longer from before. I basically just redrew the whole thing. I dont think making them look longer would look good. There's some foreshortening happening because of the slight upwards angle and the position of the arms. I did think making the other hand bigger would be good though.

[Anonymous No.6785062]

>>6784298
Oh, good. I’m happy you’re enjoying yourself :)
>>6784314
Now make it look at the camera with a deadpan expression
>>6784388
Based, keep going! Don’t fall into the trap of just grinding what you think you’re “supposed to be drawing” without also spending time fucking around drawing what you want. Always take some time to play and literally have fun with your pencil. That’s unironically more important than any amount of technical skill. If you can draw like Michelangelo but you fucking hate it and each time you draw feels like making your brain pass a kidney stone, you’ll hate it and never draw anything anyway. No matter how “good” you are. So have fun. Never allow studies to suck the joy out of drawing.
>>6784413
>not drawing disproportionately gay drawings
ISHYGDDT
It’s usually just mileage and practice looking at the whole, getting a sense of the totality of the figure before you obsess about a fine detail. It’s something I struggle with as well. Focus on getting the main masses placed, the height of the figure, the main gesture of the limbs… before you obsess about how to perfectly render an armpit. Draw light, very light at first, to get the overall gesture in place before you start to construct it. I’m talking mostly about drawing people because when it comes to animals and objects, proportion and stuff is less important because we don’t get such a strong uncanny valley reaction to imperfectly drawn nonhumanoids. (This is why heads are so hard to get right btw.)
>>6784417
Not bad. I’d do more of them faster, like 3-5 minutes on each, just to get more mileage. Spend at least a full minute just staring at your reference and drinking it in before you begin to draw.
>>6784463
>hack
You’re just diligent. Instead of iterating on the same figure, try to do a new drawing that improves on the flaw you noticed in the previous one. You get FAR more gains from 100s of figure drawings vs 100s of edits to 1 figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.6785064]

>>6784762
Beware of symbol drawing, the eyes, nose and mouth of all heads look the same.

[Anonymous No.6785066]

>>6785058
Yeah, it's a tough balance. I will stand by the arms looking off at the very least. The fact that it is foreshortening + stacked limbs makes it a tough call.

[Anonymous No.6785067]

>>6785066
I'd have to see it then, I remember doing the pose in a mirror and copying it pretty exactly

[Anonymous No.6785068]

how do i improve at proportions? (mostly facial proportions)

[Anonymous No.6785082]

Hi beg, I drew legs too short I think, this notebook is small

[Anonymous No.6785088]

>>6785062
>have fun
oh i'm trying to. the trouble is i always tell myself i'll spend some time practicing and then draw for fun after, but i procrastinate the day away and by the time i start it's 4am and i just try to get at least some drawing in before bed. it's that and the age old bullshit idea of 'but i'm not good enough to just draw yet'

anyway, thank you for encouraging me. i'm going to set a timer for 2 hours and 30 minutes from now and not procrastinate at all during this time

[Anonymous No.6785106]

What is the hardest thing to draw and why is it the head?

[Anonymous No.6785133]

>>6785002
The pattern on her scarf is on top of the bow btw, seems like your layers are in the wrong order

[Anonymous No.6785173]

>>6785133
yeah it was just to show the guy or whatever. Im just going to go with this, artist friends said it looked good so I'm going with this

[Anonymous No.6785182]

More figures

[Anonymous No.6785187]

>>6784700
>Vilppu
All you need is his interview with proko. Trying to consciously emulate him is a trap.
>>6784697
>I just don't want to mess up
>I sank so much time in...
Here's your problem. Your sunk time is meaningless, and you are /beg/. All you are going to do is fuck up. Accept that you are shit and will remain shit for quite a while and that there's no shame in that.
Once you've really internalized this then the pressure is off and you are free to learn.
As far as Loomis, bridgeman, Hampton, etc., these are just suggestions and not to be copied perfectly. Every successful artist that I've seen use a construction method does it differently. If you're still having issues with this, temporarily abandon construction and just copy photos. Boris Vallejo and Norman Rockwell made careers out of copying photographs. I'm sure they possessed the ability to draw from imagination and use construction, but they didn't do it, generally. All the "old masters" used every shortcut and cheat you could think of. Davinci literally gives instructions on how to trace your subject isn't glass.

My advice is shelve Loomis and his ilk, grab a fun medium, and copy a photo of something you like. Or copy a classic panting in crayon. Do something derivative and entertaining. Anything but continue banging your head on this useless wall.

[Anonymous No.6785189]

>>6784671
loomis can only draw 1950s comic book people, so i wouldnt use his method unless thats what you want to draw

[Anonymous No.6785190]

>>6784727

[Anonymous No.6785193]

>>6784743
It's not digital, but this old queer has lots of material on foliage.
https://youtube.com/@stephentraversart

[Anonymous No.6785194]

Spent the last 3 days on cleanup. How do you fellas deal with dirty pixels and fat lines? My moving of bodyparts and sketchiness of the original lines means that I had to to retrace and clean up everything I did before.

Can't wait to paint at last desu. Not quite happy with the girls face and many other bits, but It'll have to to do. Can't wait to start my next project after this one, though.

>inb4 girl looks floaty
It's a "ghost"

[Anonymous No.6785196]

>>6784947
Lol, I just recommended him to that guy above you.
>It's he good to learn from
He's Australian. Because Aussies are decended from criminals and criminals are mostly stupid but sometimes very smart, the smart ones learned how to explain things the the stupid ones.
Australians are the best explainers in the English speaking world.

[Anonymous No.6785202]

Sup beg. I put cuboid closer instead of further away and it killed me. Its over. Even now when i am posting i am not sure why exactly up right is suddenly closer to the camera while it was always further away until now. My current theory is because i am looking DOWN instead of UP. It really baffles me. If some perspective chad here knows, please spoon feed me why.


>>6785173
add shades to her boots so she isnt floating midair
>>6785106
hardest to draw is bottle. Perfect symmetry and ellipses. in heads you can get away with whatever. nice heads
>>6785082
cute loli
>>6785068
by drawing (more)
>>6785032
did you know screenless tablets costs fraction of price of ipad and you can put paper on them so they are literally like paper?
>>6785018
another pro
>>6784994
SOUL
>>6784853
just look at naked women instead, easy peasy
>>6784789
time limit is there so you dont waste time erasing or rendering. as beg feel free to do 5 minute ones at start
>>6784743
literally google: forest evening and draw what you see for successful background
>>6784714
looks like a photo of dog with hand made fur. very weird piece all around
>>6785194
imho cleaning lines is waste of time. especially if you will render it anyway.

[Anonymous No.6785221]

Should beginners like me focus on shapes, forms or both? Are shapes mostly for graphic styles like comics, animation, etc. and forms for "proper" drawing?

[Anonymous No.6785245]

i was extremely productive today, the only one holding me back is myself

i spent more times on the later ones but the earlier ones were ~10 minutes each

[Anonymous No.6785247]

>>6785202
>imho cleaning lines is waste of time. especially if you will render it anyway.
I'm leaning that way myself. When making weebshit, a clean lineart is useful because you can use it in the final piece. For more realistic work you'd paint over it anyway. Will see, need more practice to fully judge.

[Anonymous No.6785248]

>>6785245

[Anonymous No.6785249]

>>6785248

[Anonymous No.6785250]

>>6785249

[Anonymous No.6785251]

>>6785250

[Anonymous No.6785253]

>>6785251

[Anonymous No.6785254]

>>6785245
>>6785248
>>6785249
>>6785250
>>6785251
>>6785253
Lad please add them into one or two files and save it instead of taking pictures of your screen.

[Anonymous No.6785255]

>>6785253
and that’s all i’ve done because i’ve pretty much been drawing all day and need a break

[Anonymous No.6785257]

[Anonymous No.6785258]

>>6785254
sorry i’m kinda stupid + in kind of a rush right now because i have to go do something

[Anonymous No.6785262]

>>6785258
Ok stupid, good work btw,
Proud of you

[Anonymous No.6785264]

>>6785262
:)

[Anonymous No.6785272]

>>6785255
Second for putting them all in one image and posting and not just dumping singular phone pics. Keep on keeping on, m8.

[Anonymous No.6785279]

>>6785253
>>6785251
youre getting so much shit wrong, please use these techniques to study the reference
YOURE SYMBOL DRAWING

[Anonymous No.6785285]

>>6785279
There's some symbol drawing in that plumb line example.

[Anonymous No.6785287]

>>6785285
??? its not even a drawing, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.6785299]

>>6785202
>did you know screenless tablets costs fraction of price of ipad and you can put paper on them so they are literally like paper?
Doesn't that interfere with the detection of the tablet? (pressure, angle, tilt...)

[Anonymous No.6785304]

>>6785299
Nope

[Anonymous No.6785305]

>>6785285
oyvey

[Anonymous No.6785307]

>>6785299
I have paper on my screenless wacom, it doesn't interfere with anything for me, just feels nice and grippy

[Anonymous No.6785308]

>>6785299
the signal is traveling through millimeters of plastic, and a small airgap inside the tablet
a fucking piece of paper is not going to stop it
have fun with your apple product clown

[Anonymous No.6785309]

how should i proceed to make this look more realistic or rendered? The uncanniness is wanted but it looks kinda janky with all the mash of edges and soft strokes

[Anonymous No.6785314]

>>6785308
>have fun with your apple product clown
I asked out of curiosity because I legit didn't know , why the hostility?

[Anonymous No.6785323]

[Anonymous No.6785339]

>>6785323
hey now this is /beg/ & /int/ not pro

[Anonymous No.6785354]

Drawn on 27th of may. I haven't drawn anything other than that since then, only did studies. It's over. I will go to sleep now and ask Jesus to guide me to my next drawing.

[Anonymous No.6785355]

>>6785354
oh god that is so fucking hot

[Anonymous No.6785357]

>>6785279
i genuinely forgot about this

i swear i’ll use it on the next one, if i don’t then feel free to crab on me

[Anonymous No.6785368]

is that spamming retard taking pictures of his screen instead of just saving or screenshotting his shit attempts

[Anonymous No.6785393]

day 24 (values and colors namek)
So I was thinking, why does everyone do so much figure drawing but not still life when it's arguably just as important? Anyway I got an idea to do still life paintings to improve my colors and values. How do you paint glass btw?
>>6785257
i kneel colorchad
>>6785368
why does it bother you so much
>>6784762
symbol draw my shit up
>>6784743
i ship these two
>>6784684
cool

[Anonymous No.6785404]

>>6784762
Just saying reading Loomis head and hands would probably help you way more than grinding heads since the book itself is about grinding heads and also teaches you how to do it in the first place

[Anonymous No.6785407]

>>6785404
Never mind I thought you were the other guy posting heads in the other thread

[Anonymous No.6785426]

EXTREME newfag here, is it common to not understand the intructions on Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? Some of her descriptions are so confusing

[Anonymous No.6785439]

>>6785426
oh yeah ignore her weird ass pseudoscience rambling, don’t worry about what she says and just do the exercises

[Anonymous No.6785444]

>>6785439
Yeah that's what i'm doing, it's just that her descriptions of the exercises themselves are sometimes confusing. Thankfully there seems to be youtube videos that explain them better for each exercise. I've read ancient mythology that is less confusing than this

[Anonymous No.6785447]

>>6785426
yeah the important part is the exercises

[Anonymous No.6785462]

trying to learn to draw heads from an artist i like (koahri1) by figuring out relative distances but not sure if im doing it right

any criticism would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.6785464]

>>6785368
nevermind the text-only posts without posting their work
or the shitters who dump a single polished turd with no comment
or the off-topic edge lords
or the dumb questions that could be solved by googling
lets antagonize one of the few /beg/s that puts in consistent work and shows others what realistic progress and work ethic looks like
god forbid this thread moves even a minuscule amount faster towards bump limit because somebody is posting work

[Anonymous No.6785479]

>>6785285

[Anonymous No.6785510]

>>6783942
more pencil studies

>>6784044
I try to do at least an hour a day including the warmups. Today I spent like 90 minutes. Would love to devote more time but I'm a videogame addicted retard. Hopefully I can ween off soon. Actually this marks day 31 of drawing everyday so I' m proud of myself.

[Anonymous No.6785518]

[Anonymous No.6785536]

still practicing vehicles

[Anonymous No.6785558]

Im going to copy a doujin like the anon in the last thread suggested. Do you guys think I should copy it from the published (~700x1000) size to something I would work with making anime myself, like A4 size? So i would copy it to take up the whole A4 (2480x3508) page instead of just copying it 1 to 1 in the original size. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6785563]

>>6785558
Do the larger size, it's what the original artist would've used.

[Anonymous No.6785565]

>>6785518
depressing

[Anonymous No.6785597]

When is someone ready for the Peter Han dynamic sketching course? It's a goal to finish but I have a desire to understand, so I don't want to go in unequipped.

[Anonymous No.6785628]

I will not learn perspective!

[Anonymous No.6785631]

>>6785628
You draw a line
then you put a dot on that line
Then you trace everything back to that dot.

[Anonymous No.6785657]

>>6785518

[Anonymous No.6785673]

>>6785518
i came

[Anonymous No.6785688]

I'm kinda feeling the bridgeman gains
I wish he had more step by steps with combining the techniques together

[Anonymous No.6785702]

>>6785287
Draw just the lines of the head they used there on a blank piece of paper.
Ignore the ones for the neck/shoulder.
Do you recognize this symbol now?

[Anonymous No.6785713]

>>6785426
>EXTREME newfag here, is it common to not understand the intructions on Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? Some of her descriptions are so confusing
Turn around now and pick a better book.
Pretty much anything else is better than this, and now you've experienced one of many reasons yourself.

[Anonymous No.6785715]

>>6785657
Well?

[Anonymous No.6785724]

>>6785426
i like the book.

[Anonymous No.6785733]

>>6785713
I feel like it's working though. Plus the guide told me to start with it.

[Anonymous No.6785734]

>>6784668
Time to color, I guess

[Anonymous No.6785743]

>>6785734
yeah, if you find any thing later you can work on top anyway

[Anonymous No.6785757]

How render hair good? This shit is hard.

[Anonymous No.6785785]

>>6785757
try a different bg colour

[Anonymous No.6785804]

11.5 hours so far. i think im done?

[Anonymous No.6785808]

was told to use less lines last time so I cut down but I still feel like I'm using too many and im too loose
can I get some crit on some gestures? top are closer to 5 min, bottom are closer to 2

[Anonymous No.6785829]

>>6785631
something seems off with this method

[Anonymous No.6785833]

>can't draw a box
it's over isn't it?

[Anonymous No.6785841]

>>6785808
using less lines is like perfection, you should strive for it but never expect to reach that goal
use a thicker brush with significant variation in size and strength
instead of stating and restating lines, you can control them with pressure - a soft tentative first attempt, a stronger restatement, a final decisive consciously designed line - all varied by pen pressure
also make your lines bolder in general, i dont know what your setup is but on my screen they are barely visible. you need to see your drawing to work on it. and not only see it, it has to be readily available for your visual sense and brain part. drawing like this is like working on a car while storing your toolbox on the other side of the garage
gesture is "note taking"
you are not trying to draw the ref, you are taking notes - visually - to capture what the figure is. movement, weight distribution, proportions, notable visual points of interest etc
if there is a deep crevice in a busty womans cleavage, dont shy away from restating those lines to capture that part
if there is hair covering the side of a face, dont force yourself to guess at the construction of the head shape, instead indicate the mass of the hair
imagine you were to draw your highschool crush. you have only 5 minutes, after which the reference you used, and lets say your crush too, magically disappear from this world. all you will have left is that one 5 minute drawing. what would you draw? what is the most important thing to capture her essence? (sure in this example you would probably make a portrait and not a full figure drawing, but the sentiment is the same)

your gestures look okay to me. you are not doing anything particularly wrong, but there is some fundamental mindset that you have not acquired.

[Anonymous No.6785849]

I don't understand perspective fags. Nobody creates finalized pictures with such extreme perspective. All they do is perspective exercises to prove they can do perspective exercises.

[Anonymous No.6785852]

[Anonymous No.6785855]

>>6785852
i swear to god when the day finally comes and i swallow a 12 gauge
you will have an entire page of my manifesto dedicated to you alone
how the fuck do you create more soul in literally five lines than i can in an entire portrait
it drives me insane

your art is inspiring, keep it up anon

[Anonymous No.6785857]

>>6785855
You're samefagging is insanely obvious fuck off

[Anonymous No.6785859]

>>6785857
Well you see, that’s Rapid Juice from Nikklar.

[Anonymous No.6785863]

>>6785841
thanks for the feedback!
used to just using pretty few brushes so never thought of a thicker/varying brush
for the size though, I do draw it bigger, I just wanted to shrink it so they all fit on 1 picture without making bloating the res. granted its not much clearer but its a bit clearer (hopefully)
I like the mentality with note taking, always thought about it as the rhythm/tension since everyone talks about it like that. I think that the rhythm/tension is definitely still part of that, but the mental change might help
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.6785872]

>Gesture drawing is how to get used to proportions and fell out the basic shape!
>Try it out
>Suicide inducing results

Minus the more defined one, Page 1 was 30 seconds, page 2 was 1 minute going along with him in the video. I even paused one for a second and measured out the head to give a feel where it should stop but it still wasn't enough time. Absolutely, utterly demoralizing. Do you just work it out as you go along? The more you do it the smoother and better things will get? I feel like I'm scribbling just desperate to keep up with the ticking clock.

[Anonymous No.6785885]

>>6785255
>>6785279
Good? Bad? Vomit inducing? Kill myself immediately?

[Anonymous No.6785892]

>>6785872
im the >>6785863 anon so not super good but at least when starting I'd go longer at least until you get used to it
someone's probably going to say something like "you need to feel the form/rhythm/flow" and then sperg out when you don't understand what that vague as hell vilppu phrase means so a quick breakdown is:
most poses have a pinch to them caused by the body not carrying its weight evenly (contrapposto), this causes there to be a pinch and a corresponding stretch. for me this stretch has usually been the "rhythm/flow" of the figure, while the pinch gives structure and denotes the form (look at the transparent sculpture, I overlayed a "pinch" on the right and a "stretch" on the left)
your figures are also all made of 1 part, 1 continous part that creates the entire ribcage, stomach, pelvis and sometimes leg
instead of that, break it up into blocks for the major forms (just remember rib cage and pelvis for now you don't need to copy bridge man 4 gorillion times yet). when you do it, some will usually be on "top" of the other and you can denote it through overlap, but this makes it looks stiff so don't draw it like that, look at top right

in terms of proportions make imaginary lines between points and compare their angles (blue lines in ex).
besides that just grind and slow down, it'll take a bit but hopefully you'll be faster than me since I probably have down (~3 years now)

[Anonymous No.6785898]

>>6785892
Thanks, I appreciate the recommendation and I'll keep this in mind. I want to learn art but goddamn does the sheer amount of vague shit they say makes me want to die.

[Anonymous No.6785901]

Some of the other cartoon characters I tried recently to keep testing out more materials.
Feeling like a lot of the stuff I bought was a waste already, should have just practiced more with pencils + digital for color. Or paints so I could mix more colors easily.

[Anonymous No.6785913]

>>6785872
How do you start your drawings?
I usually draw two parallel lines indicating the direction of the shoulders and hips then add a middle line indicating the general movement of the body/spine. Everything else is generally built around those three things.

See pic from >>6785892 for how you might want to think about the starting lines.

[Anonymous No.6785918]

day 17
i drew the loomises from page 22. i copied the ones from the book but while paying attention to how i was constructing them, so for instance when i noticed my ball was facing a slightly different direction than the one in the book, i tried to adjust accordingly. i notice i've gotten pretty good at visualizing these things when i just close my eyes, i can sculpt them and rotate them and take all the features off and rearrange them, but somehow my mind goes completely blank as soon as i have a pen in my hand and a paper in front of me.
i also tried the first exercise from keys to drawing today. first i monumentally fucked up the toes, then the buckles, then the proportions of everything. each time i felt i was doing just fine, then as soon as i noticed how much i'd messed up it was like a little jumpscare.
after the feet i tried drawing the keys from the very first page. first i realized the feet were in the way, so i tried again a bit to the left, realized the feet were still in the way, so i tried a third time in the lower corner and ended up getting a headache trying to distinguish all the lines from each other

overall i drew a lot less than i intended to again, but tomorrow i'll definitely draw more and something more fun too

[Anonymous No.6785968]

>>6785194

I feel like knowing basic human proportions would help you tremendously

[Anonymous No.6785975]

[Anonymous No.6785987]

not accurate
but the hair was fun to draw

[Anonymous No.6786014]

five figures a day construction practice over the past 3 weeks, am I improving a little?

[Anonymous No.6786024]

>>6786014
Permabeg. In your case you need to REALLY learn first before drawing to improve, just draw won`t work here.

[Anonymous No.6786026]

>>6786014
you probably need to practice basic shapes before doing constructive figure drawing
the boxes of the torso and pelvis are rarely in the correct perspective

[Anonymous No.6786028]

>>6786014
you improved a lot, i like 97-99
if you haven't studied perspective yet i think it's worth your time

[Anonymous No.6786032]

>>6786028
>>6786026
Permabegs "teaching" permabeg, bravo.

[Anonymous No.6786041]

Thoughts on this design for my comic? It has a very cartoonish style so I’m worried it’s too overdetailed.

[Anonymous No.6786045]

>>6786014
while i see minor improvement mostly in your line control, 5 figures a day is not enough to really see the improvement i think you want. do some draw a box practices every day as a warm up before you actually get to gesture and construction. do slow and quick lines, pusshups, arm twirlies, wrist stretches, etc.... get the blood flowing, gets the brain flowing. get your arms and wrists warmed up gives you better control over your muscles. you dont want to exacerbate yourself, just get a little loosey goosey.

[Anonymous No.6786064]

>>6786024
Well at least he's actually drawing a little, permabeg status is only for nodraws.

[Anonymous No.6786073]

>>6785829
Based

[Anonymous No.6786089]

>>6786032
How about you start teaching us then Anon?

[Anonymous No.6786092]

>>6786024
>just draw!
>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
Shut the fuck up, we are here for critique not ridicule

[Anonymous No.6786114]

[Anonymous No.6786120]

>>6785829
Weirdly kino

[Anonymous No.6786161]

>>6785785
Tried lots of things really.

[Anonymous No.6786163]

I can’t draw legs for fucking shit save me please

[Anonymous No.6786244]

More Bridgman catgirl autism!
>>6785082
Maybe. Still cute.
>>6785106
Because we’re so finely tuned to perceive faces. A single millimeter off and you’re fucked
>>6785173
Amazing!
>>6785182
You’re not quite feeling the form yet, and are drawing stiff outlines rather than gesture. You wanna try building the figure from within. Keep going anon! I recommend vilppu. Good foreshortening on the meditating lady.
>>6785194
More readable now, good job
>>6784714
Cute!
>>6784901
I recommend Vilppu. The leaping figure is pretty good.
>>6785245
Good job anon! GMI.
>>6785354
SOVL
Keep going! Remember to draw for fun, always, in addition to studies. Stuff that energizes you.
>>6785393
Good job. For me personally it’s because still life doesn’t have nice plump asses.
>glass
No fucking clue.
>>6785462
Idk, seems like you’re doing the right thing.
>>6785510
Based Vilppu enjoyer
>>6785536
Cute!
>>6785688
Yeah the text is… mysterious to me.
>>6785804
NICE. GMI
>>6785518
>>6785852
>>6785975
Man… I love your art. Do you have socials or an archive or something? Or do you only post here?
>>6785855
Hnggfuuuck that looks so good, jesus. And yeah, Googley Eye Anon is the grandmaster of soul.
>>6785088
:) Godspeed.
>>6785918
>i've gotten pretty good at visualizing these things when i just close my eyes, i can sculpt them and rotate them
That’s how feeling the form starts. Keep going!
>>6786014
A good bit of improvement, yeah! I like how gestural your legs are. I’d say s]try to do more of them in less time, without worrying about getting them polished or clean. Get mileage, I’d focus on proportion, and feeling the form. Good job, keep it up!
>>6786114
Them’s some good-ass lines, Anon.
>>6786163
They look fine to me, desu. Something to know/keep in mind is the calf is higher on the outside of the leg and lower and meatier on the inside of the leg, but it still looks good here because it works with the gesture. Very nice overall, Anon. Especially the faces and drapery.

[Anonymous No.6786280]

>>6786244
Hey anon
You were using ipad+procreate IIRC, is that right?
I just recently started using an Ipad air 5 and I was wondering
>what canvas size do you use? which dpi?
>could you please share your brush? I try to use the hard round but it doesnt feel good at all, so I end up always using the 6B
>how do you go about making those drawings? I mean, do you use the whole screen for each figure and then resize and move it?
>do you use any kind of matte screen protector to make the pen cause a better feeling while sliding on the screen?

[Sage No.6786300]

>>6785804
I liked seeing the different stages of your piece as you worked on it. It's nice to see something that's not just exercises or anime girls on a white background

[Anonymous No.6786324]

[Anonymous No.6786363]

why is this hobby the hardest fucking thing i have ever tried to do ever. i thought hobbies were something for fun not something to make me gouge my own eyes out. seriously, i dont get it, why can i not understand any of the books, any courses, why do i not know even a basic concept of any fundamental by this point, why is it every time anyone mentions a drawing word its like they're speaking a different language, why can i not even begin to draw anything that looks remotely like what i want, why am i stuck doing the same old circles, squares and slanted ass boxes day in day out.

and why. the fuck. do i keep coming back to it. am i just a masochist?

[Anonymous No.6786366]

>>6786363
>i thought hobbies were something for fun
Hobbies are activities you put EFFORT into because you enjoy them.
Otherwise its plain leisure. Dont confuse one with the other.
Ive noticed people as of lately (ie zoomers) tend to expect hobbies not to require any effort, at all, which couldnt be further from the truth.

[Anonymous No.6786369]

>>6786366
mmhmm, and believe me, im trying to put in the effort.
that part about fun or whatever isnt really important to me anyway, im willing to go through hell if i can make a good final product at the end of it all.
just like, im not really succeeding at entering hell much less going through it

[Anonymous No.6786373]

>>6786369
>im willing to go through hell if i can make a good final product at the end of it all.
I see the issue here and its clear as daylight.
You're results oriented.
You want to create masterpieces, but you dont really like the process.
I dont know what to tell you, people like you end up burning sooner or later and dropping art completely at some point, because they dont enjoy the process in a fundamental level.

Why do you devote your time to art to begin with?

[Anonymous No.6786386]

[Anonymous No.6786393]

>>6786363
>why is this hobby the hardest fucking thing i have ever tried to do ever
It's not a hobby, it's a job.

Art as a hobby is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feKXDpF1tOw

[Anonymous No.6786418]

>>6786373
>people like you end up burning sooner or later and dropping art
oh, i know. i've been told that before, i've been through that before, yet like i said before, i keep coming back. been through that whole cycle for years at this point.
>Why do you devote your time to art to begin with?
dunno, maybe its because i've all the time in the world and nothing to do with it, maybe it's because i'm surrounded by art friends and peer pressure is getting to me, probably both.

[Anonymous No.6786438]

>>6786026
>>6786028
>>6786045
>>6786244
Thank you. I will ramp it up to 10 figures and post my progress again when I get to 200.

[Anonymous No.6786446]

>>6785885
a step in the right direction, the facial features are still symbol-drawn though

[Anonymous No.6786472]

>>6785518
MY KING

[Anonymous No.6786473]

I just started learning how to draw with pencil and pad, and have been enjoying it so far. Any advice on how to fix the neck of the little guy in the bottom? I can't seem to get it right no matter what.

[Anonymous No.6786475]

[Anonymous No.6786477]

[Anonymous No.6786481]

>>6786473
fixed orientation, my bad

[Anonymous No.6786485]

[Anonymous No.6786495]

>>6786481
necks are thicker than what you have in your drawing
you should probably work on your Loomis heads before adding features

[Anonymous No.6786504]

>>6786495
thanks anon, how about the other guy in the pic? I feel like his neck was better but it still seems a bit off to me.

[Anonymous No.6786562]

>>6785852
>>6785518
What characters are those

[Anonymous No.6786563]

>>6786562
oats from fgo and probably some anime schlop

[Anonymous No.6786579]

>>6784743
>>6785804
Still permabeg shit. You really need to stop wasting everyone’s time. And your own.

[Anonymous No.6786581]

reminder that if you can't place sharp shadows and make a good drawing in a few minutes you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.6786584]

>>6786563
>oats from fgo
who?

[Anonymous No.6786586]

>>6786579
You're really mean.

[Anonymous No.6786592]

>>6786581
hot sexo

[Anonymous No.6786596]

>>6786579
>He's not phw
Kek. Nodraws are always the biggest shittalkers.

>>6785804
Second for posting WIPs good and making non-white background or just studies good. I'm a sucker for harsh lighting.

[Anonymous No.6786612]

>>6786244
Thanks for the feedback.

[Anonymous No.6786625]

>modern women are trash so i have to draw my own gf
why does it look worse when i start trying to actually outline it?

[Anonymous No.6786644]

>>6784762
Ok, here are 2 more, I think they're a bit better. I'm just gonna study and grind.

[Anonymous No.6786651]

>>6786644
>>6785279

[Anonymous No.6786652]

>>6786625
Oh, Lawd Jeezus, have mercy.

[Anonymous No.6786653]

>6786625
Find God

[Anonymous No.6786656]

>>6786625
>why does it look worse when i start trying to actually outline it?
Forgot to answer your question, lel.
It looks worse, because if you compare the sketch to the outline 1. the sketch is light so your repeated strokes approximate to something like the correct form. 2. When drawing the outline, you didn't catch the "correct line" and you'd have to redo it or adjust it.

>>6786644
Good work, lad.

>>6786477
Cute. Have you tried adding a background to your work yet? Even some form of simple gradient? It's harder to look at this one, because the character is dark, but the bg is pure white. If you'd use something a bit more gray-green it might work mesh well together.

[Anonymous No.6786657]

>>6786651
Noted, will include swastika in the future.

[Anonymous No.6786670]

I keep seeing beginner tutorials that are just like "draw 1000 circles". I start but my circles are fucked and it feels like I'm starting off on bad footing. Is the solution just to get a compass and use it for a decent circle, and then try to mimic that with everything else? Draw over the circle? I want to be effective but the idea of trying that hard with every single circle sounds like it will break my brain and leave me dead inside. Is that the goal? Until it doesn't anymore?

[Anonymous No.6786672]

More gestures after first section of Vilppu. To avoid copying contours, I'm first studying the figure for its action, then drawing the motion from memory and adding some form with basic shapes to indicate the orientation of each body part. I'm having a hard time with balance or making the poses look like they have weight, any advice?
Also how much practice should I do for each chapter/video before moving on to the next one? Vilppu says not to rush and I know I'll have go through the whole course from the beginning again multiple times to get the most out of it.

[Anonymous No.6786684]

it's over coombros

[Anonymous No.6786685]

>>6786670
Fuck that, anon. It sounds like an exercise for Alzheimer's disease victims. You can train accuracy and precision by drawing more than just a circle. Pick a drawing you like and try to copy it for starters. If you try and be as precise and measured as possible, it will give you far more than just drawing 1k circles.

[Anonymous No.6786688]

[Anonymous No.6786690]

why is drawing dynamic poses easier than drawing a standard expressionless mannequin standing pose
I can't figure out how to do it, everything seems wrong when I do taht

[Anonymous No.6786694]

>>6786690
Idk but when ever I draw gesture your brain fills in the gaps, if you draw every line according to reality your brain notices every tiny little error and a 5 hour drawing looks worse than a 10 minute sketch

[Anonymous No.6786696]

>>6786685
>Pick a drawing you like and try to copy it
>try and be as precise and measured as possible
how do you do this shit without tracing. What's the magic spell? How do you not just go with the lines and nothing else?

[Anonymous No.6786698]

>>6786694
what's the gesture of a person standing up straight though?

[Anonymous No.6786706]

>>6786698
Depends on how big her erection is at the time.

[Anonymous No.6786707]

>>6786696
>how do you do this shit without tracing.
How do you hit a target from a thousand meters away?

[Anonymous No.6786709]

>>6786696
For one this
>>6785279
And if you're doing it digitally, you put your reference side by side with your canvas. Try to get some big shapes down. Measure angles between larger points, draw midpoint lines. Break down the original drawing into block.
A face for instance, can be simplified to an ovaloid blob which you split in the middle of the nose from top of the face to the chin. Measure with the major lines of brow, nose, lips and try to get the shape of the face right based on what landmark is next to it. The magic is just doing it enough times where you can see how the shape flows and you are able to reproduce it.
QRD. Try it once, think of what went wrong and try to correct it the next time.

[Anonymous No.6786711]

HELP
NEED CRIT ABOUT VALUES AND OTHER THINGS
HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW SCALE? ARTIST THAT DRAW DRAGON FOR REFERENCE, NO FUCKING FURRIES.

[Anonymous No.6786715]

>>6786711
Scales

[Anonymous No.6786718]

>>6786698
gesture isnt real, it's a made up concept made for animation to imply that any mistakes/exaggirations/inaccuracies are actually illustrated/simplified versions of 'movement'

[Anonymous No.6786723]

>>6786718
That doesn't solve my problem
And I prefer to call it force like the book force, makes more sense

[Anonymous No.6786729]

>>6786709
Post an example of you doing this instead.

[Anonymous No.6786730]

>>6786723
if you really want to draw a nice and balanced standing body from imagination, you ought be good at perspective, memorise proprtions/ratios and and be able to construct human body from simpler forms.
cus if you cant crawl why do you think youd be able to run?

making sure that you practice without reff sometimes aswell to see how well you grasp/maintain the ideas in your head.

[Anonymous No.6786732]

>>6786730
>cus if you cant crawl why do you think youd be able to run?
Except that I can drae dynamic poses, just barely but I can do it within my own standards. That's the point of this entire conversation, did you arleady miss how it started

[Anonymous No.6786735]

Drawing was never the hard part bros, you were not struggling to master the pencil but to master yourself

[Anonymous No.6786736]

>>6786711
keep in mind you will only ever see the texture where the light meets shadow. you'll see nothing in the shadow or the light. you might see texture in the sillouette depending. the moon is covered in crators but notice where you see the craters

[Anonymous No.6786744]

>>6786446
i had i feeling… i honestly don’t know how to stop doing it, draw things upside down?

also i had a big realization last night (okay this isn’t that great but it was big for me) that i’m thinking of the head as a separate subject when i should be drawing it just like i would anything else, by drawing the 3d forms (so yeah i think i’m symbol drawing the whole thing)

not sure how to combat this, maybe by taking a break and drawing other stuff that isn’t faces?

[Anonymous No.6786748]

>>6786732
the fact that you're having trouble coming up with a gesture for a upright standing person
but claim to be able to draw dynamic poses proves both the points made.

you're jumping the gun and hindering your growth by tryng to go for something more complex rather than trying to work on basic standing variations as well as how the inablity to draw accurately can be covered by terms like 'force' or 'dynamic'.

[Anonymous No.6786759]

>>6786729
>Post an example of you doing this instead.
No. Here's something approximately similar for drawing a goat.

[Anonymous No.6786761]

godbless a month learning form

[Anonymous No.6786764]

[Anonymous No.6786766]

Im going to stop mindlessly copying all the time and I will draw from life.

[Anonymous No.6786773]

>>6786280
>Hey anon
Howdy!
>You were using ipad+procreate IIRC, is that right?
Yep. You remembered that?
>I just recently started using an Ipad air 5
Oh, good!
>what canvas size do you use?
Usually 4000x4000 pixels for studies, 2732x2048 for doodles. Bigger canvas for more drawing space & schizo scribbles when studying, smaller canvas for my sketches because idk what size to use & I just chose “screen size.” There’s no logic to it. Screen size is maybe too small, idk.
>which dpi?
It defaulted to 132…
>could you please share your brush?
https://files.catbox.moe/fkdqz6.brush
Let me know if that doesn’t work. I tilt it for smooth shading.
>I try to use the hard round but it doesnt feel good
Oh, are you the anon from the Bridgman thread?
The feel of a brush has a lot to do with the pressure curve you’re using. Changing the pressure curve might mean you have to tweak the taper and opacity and pressure sensitivity of a brush to make it feel good/better. Or it might make a brush feel good/better without having to fuck with the brush’s settings. See pic related.
>do you use the whole screen for each figure and then resize and move it?
No, I generally draw them where you see them. I use the 4K x 4K size so I can zoom in to draw comfortably, and fill the page with studies like that. I’ll only move or resize if I have to scooch a drawing over to make more room on the canvas due to poor planning. Or to adjust head size or something. I usually put the reference on one half of my screen and procreate on the other. (Or use laptop for ref.)
>matte screen protector?
Nope. Matte can make the screen less clear, maybe harder to clean. (Also louder. Op-sec for late-night coom drawing.) Smooth works and is slightly cheaper. Might try slightly matte next, but I don’t think it’s that important desu.

Take this with a shaker of salt. I’m beg and just winging it regarding iPads/Procreate/digital media. Especially with specific canvas/screen protector stuff.

[Anonymous No.6786778]

>>6786736
That's completely wrong

[Anonymous No.6786783]

>>6786778
>That's completely wrong
>Doesn't say correct version
Useless post. Nut up or shut up.

[Anonymous No.6786786]

>>6786783
the only other correct version is that you DO see texture in light and shadow...

[Anonymous No.6786787]

[Anonymous No.6786789]

>>6786280
>>6786773
Hello iPad anons, a recommendation I have for you: There are Apple Pencil nibs marketed on sites that are in a 6 pack and contain nibs with Soft and Hard marking on the plastic box. The soft nibs in the pack are smooth feeling and doesnt make a noise, also doesnt affect performance.

[Anonymous No.6786794]

>>6786789
>Apple Pencil
cost almost 200 dollars for no reason and is ugly, you can buy a cheap knockoff on amazon that does the same thing and comes in different colors too

[Anonymous No.6786795]

>>6786786
Wasn't so hard, thank you.

[Anonymous No.6786802]

>>6786786
post a pic

[Anonymous No.6786812]

>>6786759
>Refers to post where they say not to symbol draw
>asks for example
>is symbol drawn goat

[Anonymous No.6786821]

>>6786787
That's pretty cute, post more.

[Anonymous No.6786875]

>>6786280
>>6786773
I just want to take this chance to debunk DPI.

DPI is just for how dense the picture should be if printed physical. It can be changed at any time. Around 300 is standard for a high quality print. DPI does absolutely nothing for digital so feel free to ignore it moving forward.

Basically means how much area x amount of pixels should cover on physical paper or conversely, how many pixels your document should be if you're targeting a certain paper size and DPI.

Example: Let's say I aim to print in the A4 format, then i would input the physical width and height (cm/inches) of an A4 and give my desired DPI density, the program will calculate how big my canvas should be in pixels.

[Anonymous No.6786881]

What do you guys say?

[Anonymous No.6786903]

I relly need to stop procastinating, I had a whole day to draw, but this is all i drew today. I was hoping i could finish chapter 1 of FWaP this week (I will still try) but at this pace it will take me at least one more week

[Anonymous No.6786907]

>>6786161
is your skin shading on a multiply layer? use a warmer colour for the skin shading.

[Anonymous No.6786908]

>>6786903
gmi. btw, feel free to change up style and draw cartoon heads from various artists. Draw Calvin and Hobbes, Charlie Brown, anime, etc. Rotate it and see if you can invent them on your own. It all comes down to observation, and placing those shapes onto those potatoes

[Anonymous No.6786916]

>>6786685
I had time at work where I couldn't copy down a reference from an artist but I did have time to mindlessly do something while training someone. This was fucking terrible. I can't imagine much value in this exercise unless you're putting as much concentration into this as you would put forth copying things. If anything it reminded me that for some reason my best looking circles end up with the edges overlapping and I need to work on that.

[Anonymous No.6786920]

Full frontal views are killing me especially, at least with a tilted head you can play around with the form.

>>6786114
lewd, but pretty cool.
>>6786244
>Because we’re so finely tuned to perceive faces. A single millimeter off and you’re fucked
life is pain, also very cool bridgeman studies.
>>6786672
>I'm having a hard time with balance or making the poses look like they have weight, any advice?
As far as balance is concerned you can try plumb lines "love life drawing" actually has a pretty good vid on the topic https://youtu.be/PLBhO-4YEww

[Anonymous No.6786923]

>>6786920
Do you flip your drawings?

[Anonymous No.6786925]

>>6786744
use the same principles for drawing facial features, also give me the full res of that white hoe's face and ill show you something

[Anonymous No.6786929]

>>6786923
Every new moon or so, but definitely not regularly enough.
Made a hotkey so I only have to hit one button to do it but hardly ever think about it when I'm actually in the process of drawing.

[Anonymous No.6786937]

>>6786690
Because there's no perspective to hide your shitty proportions.

[Anonymous No.6786942]

>>6786925
here ya go

[Anonymous No.6786946]

>>6786766
cute little guy
>>6786764
good booba
>>6786244
these are cool

[Anonymous No.6786982]

[Anonymous No.6786997]

I tried to fix it
Crit pls

[Anonymous No.6786998]

Kind of a dumb question but are you guys doing your studies/work from imagination or do you work from reference?
How much time it took you to create somewhat original piece and you were satisfied with it? I mean the time it took you to study to get to that achievement

[Anonymous No.6787001]

A friend made a discord server for /beg/ers to share art and talk. No drama shittery please
https://discord.gg/9XhrXmus

[Anonymous No.6787003]

>>6787001
yeah not gonna give my phone number + personal information to join a discord circle jerk

[Anonymous No.6787014]

>>6786998
Studies from reference
Art from imagination
Theory from Vilppu

[Anonymous No.6787016]

[Anonymous No.6787021]

>>6786942
neat reference, just wanted to try it out, ignore this

[Anonymous No.6787036]

>>6786997
Head doesn't feel in perspective, should be seeing more bottom surfaces

[Anonymous No.6787038]

>>6787014
Can you post your work?

[Anonymous No.6787046]

>>6786929
Drew a butterfly on flower from reference (i didnt trace, I took measurements)

[Anonymous No.6787048]

>>6787046
Sorry meant to reply to OP
Anyway here is reference

[Anonymous No.6787050]

>>6784668
I drew this to improve my proportions and observations, how did I do? where do i go from here?

[Anonymous No.6787053]

>>6787016
Its beg, but If you can pull it off with nsfw content you can get away with "muh style"

[Anonymous No.6787059]

>>6786946
she has clothes now? feet are hard I need to work on perspective.

[Anonymous No.6787071]

>>6786998
I'm doing both and it took me 2-3 years to make a minimally appealing figure on my own

[Anonymous No.6787084]

Do brushes matter? I was always told your tools doesn't really matter. So just using Krita default brushes.

Been drawing for years. I feel my lines are pretty all right and been practicing different coloring methods but all my art looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.6787090]

>>6786656
Thank you for the advice. I agree that even this simple background is making it easier on the eyes. I might play around with it some more.

[Anonymous No.6787091]

day 25 (color and values namek)

I spent all day learning the mysteries of the plain standing figure... I think I'm close to getting it, when standing straight the body is being forced from below, the gesture is a -x^2... thank you soulanon
>>6786581
TRUE, this is something that completely eludes me, how can people just slap colors down like it's nothing? What exercises can I do to learn this?

[Anonymous No.6787096]

>>6787084
you have to PYW

[Anonymous No.6787100]

>>6787096
thx, but I can bully myself too into losing motivation

[Anonymous No.6787111]

>>6787091
For simple shadows, you can do them easily if you understand and feel the form. So whatever exercises help practice form.

[Anonymous No.6787115]

is there any official /ic/ discord?

[Anonymous No.6787119]

>>6786946
>>6786920
Thanks for the feedback on the WIPs.

[Anonymous No.6787130]

>>6787091
Oh my god, RAKE OH OATS

[Anonymous No.6787131]

>>6786014
Rolling

[Anonymous No.6787132]

>>6786711
Scales overlap in a pattern. The way you have it just looks like thick, lumpy skin. Also if you look at a snake's face they have larger plates that don't follow the pattern on their face.

[Anonymous No.6787144]

>>6785510
trying to feel the overlaps

>>6786244
can't wait to get to Bridgeman one day.

[Anonymous No.6787146]

>>6787050
do anything you like, clean it up, color, do more of them, what do u mean where do you go from here -- keep drawing

[Anonymous No.6787151]

>>6787144
FUAARK thicc

[Anonymous No.6787153]

>>6787130
dont even know who she is i just wanted to redraw what soulanon did

[Anonymous No.6787169]

How fucked up is this face?

[Anonymous No.6787179]

>>6787071
Oh its you
I really enjoy your drawings. I don't know if you mentioned it before, but would you care to tell me what construction method are you using for your drawings?

[Anonymous No.6787190]

>>6787059
now color. any advice is appreciated!

[Anonymous No.6787199]

>>6787190
yeah heres some advice
take her pants back off

(cute, no legit advice, youre better than me lel)

[Anonymous No.6787200]

>>6786163
they look fairly good, possibly a little long on the thigh, but as other anon said. the calfs are not defined well or correctly but it still works alright within the context of your drawing.

[Anonymous No.6787247]

[Anonymous No.6787299]

Beg.

>>6787190
where are the shades?
>>6787169
looks cool
>>6787115
there is only /beg server
>>6787084
brushes matter A LOT for textures or doing special effects, they matter medium if you paint, they dont matter at all for the rest
>>6787050
you did good. now do lineart and then paint it
>>6786998
its not dumb question at all. in fact it is very crucial information for any beg: start with working with references only. and then slowly and carefully ditch them in order to learn to draw from imagination. if you still have issues drawing what is in front of you dont even think of trying to draw from imagination.
>>6786997
the easy crit is that its obviously not finished. anyway if you want to pimp out your dragon, i suggest looking at works of this dude, especially how he renders the scales and such
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/50142349/
>>6786982
cute thot
>>6786920
that are some very SOUL heads
>>6786903
the two heads on left are very disfigured. mostly the eyes arent properly following the forms / perspective
>>6786766
but drawing from life IS copying :-)
>>6786764
COOMable
>>6786670
keys to drawing, drawing on right side of brain, drawing for utter beginner, art and science of drawing dont have this problem
>>6786625
because your line is trash which doesnt follow form
>>6785833
drawing boxes is very challenging, pic very related
>>6785804
pretty cool

[Anonymous No.6787312]

>>6787179
I just did this quick croquis and recorded it
now i'm trying to figure out how to make webm to post it

[Anonymous No.6787320]

>>6787050
overlay the drawing, note down where it's off, move it back and fix it

[Anonymous No.6787324]

>>6786907
Nope. No layer modes.

[Anonymous No.6787330]

okay so how do i learn Peter Han
aside from a few loose videos, all i find is this
https://www.conceptart.cgmasteracademy.com/courses/66-dynamic-sketching-1

[Anonymous No.6787331]

>>6787312
NTA but i too am curious to get a glimpse of your process
i hope this might help
https://cloudconvert.com/webm-converter

[Anonymous No.6787348]

>>6787179
here bro, there is no specific method, it's a set of things I learned, like dividing the torso and head into 3 parts as will weston says, and using boxes and cylinders depending on the perspective as vilppu teaches

>>6787331
thanks bro, it worked

[Anonymous No.6787360]

>>6787348
interesting
there is basically no construction
it seems you have a very readily available "visual library" for lack of a better term
you jot down barely more than a stick figure, and "guess" from then on
each guess looks like a valid "finished" line
if you erase and redo / "reguess" a line, it is based on how it looks as a final line

richard schmid (among others) says (and i agree 100%) about painting:
the "right" / best way to paint, is with a process that could be interrupted at any random point, and still leave a complete painting. it might not be "finished" or detailed, but it will be "complete". meaning that one needs to progress through a painting in an order from most important to least important. from most fundamental, to most dependent. difficult to put into words... anybody who is interested, pirate his "alla prima" book and just look at the paintings in there. it is fascinating.

back on topic
following that mindset, your approach to drawing is the exact opposite. preposterous. blasphemous even. the right way should be my approach of messy, building-up sketching :^) but watching your recording i just realized that i might have it backwards.

while your process is "straight to the finish line" (pun not intended lol) as opposed to slowly building up, the mindset behind it might be more in line with that richard schmid mindset for painting.

since final lines are all there will be left in the pic at the end, every bit of messy construction and searching i do is invalid in the "leave at any point and be left with a complete pic" sense. but your approach to throwing down lines instantly does allow the pic to stand on its own at any point.

all of this to say, or to vaguely describe, i think your approach to drawing is more true to one of my idols than mine.

i dont expect my ramblings to make sense to anybody, im just paying respect to the anon by proving how much it means to me to observe a better artist.

thank you anon! for the fourth time =)

[Anonymous No.6787364]

>>6787299
>drawing on right side of brain, drawing for utter beginner, art and science of drawing
pawell recommending non-keys books? Mein gott.

[Anonymous No.6787365]

>>6787348
>>6787360
and since the translation from
pretty-okay-sketch -> absolutely soulless linework
is my biggest weakness, it seems my whole focus on the sketching part is to be reexamined fundamentally

i learned more from you than from many hours worth of video tutorials. my brain is fucking tingling. thank you anon

[Anonymous No.6787369]

>just feel the form bro
I'm gonna feel a shotgun in my mouth instead, at least then i'll be able to feel something.

[Anonymous No.6787371]

>>6786707
anon i am an autistic man just say what you mean please.
>>6786709
>For one this
>6785279
what is that? what is any of that? How do I use that shit? Idk what to look for man.

And say i take those measurements, then what? Do i duplicate them, drag them over, and try to redraw the thing over them? If not i genuinely dont see how the measurements help.

[Anonymous No.6787372]

>>6787348
>>6787360
>>6787365
thread at bump limit might aswell continue to think out loud


i think i am slowly grasping the concept
you invest fractions of the time / focus in one drawing compared to me
but you invest it into the final product
whereas i invest a lot of time and focus into the construction, but since i fail to recognize the value of the final lines in comparison to the construction, and since i fail at converting my construction into a final pic
a hour long sketch of mine ends up with less soul than a couple minute drawing of yours

because if i try to convert a sketch, i am mindlessly following the sketch and kill soul
whereas you judge each line from the start on how it looks in the final product, and you can select for soul from the very beginning

[Anonymous No.6787376]

>>6786114
Omfg What is going on here? Is she fucking her?

[Anonymous No.6787378]

>>6787360
thanks bro, I think your figures are pretty nice too
one thing that I think helped with sketching was using a smaller brush size, because the lines are thinner you have more chance of making mistakes so your guess needs to be more accurate
posemaniacs is a good site to practice poses and build visual library

[Anonymous No.6787389]

>>6787376
I thought this too but the weapons have me confused. It's been weeks and he's still on line art.

[Anonymous No.6787398]

>>6786324
This is nice.

[Anonymous No.6787419]

>>6787348
>>6787360
It looks to me like it’s very basic blocking out of the major masses, and then coarse line art (directly on top of the construction) that gets erased and redrawn a number of time until, after a number of iterations, you arrive at the final, refined line art.

So, basic construction and then straight to line art that evolves from rough to finished via redrawing.

[Anonymous No.6787438]

>>6787348
>>6787360
>>6787365
>>6787372
>>6787378
yeah i know for a while now that big, rough, messy brushes are a crutch - but everytime i tried to move away my drawings got worse
in hindsight it makes sense now
big rough brushes are forgiving, and therefore help with searching / constructing
and since my whole mindset of drawing revolved around construction, i figured that i have not yet reached the point of skill at which the big brushes become a crutch
and i continued with practicing rough sketching
now thanks to you i have figured out why and in what regard big brushes are a crutch, and why and when to apply small brushes

this is my first attempt at following your mindset
i am still falling back on doing the drawing in multiple passes as if i were sketching, but nevertheless this is orders of magnitude better than any previous attempts at creating clean(ish) drawings

all thanks to you! i might repost this in the next thread just to make sure you see the fruits of your advice =)

[Anonymous No.6787442]

>>6787438
Not bad for a first effort! Gonna have to call you something other than Red Blob Senpai lol. I’ll be interested in seeing how long it’ll take you to make succulent animu thighs and bellies using this more direct method.

[Anonymous No.6787449]

>>6787442
>the artist formerly known as red blob anon
tafkarba

[Anonymous No.6787465]

>>6787449
>tafkarba
>means “face to face” in Hausa
Kinda long. I’mma call you Taffy. Taffy Senpai.

[Anonymous No.6787469]

STRAIGHT FROM SHIBUYA RIN
ON SOME ZEN
it's a marathon and look we coming for the win
SHOOBIE RIN
on some ZEN

[Anonymous No.6787470]

[Anonymous No.6787471]

>>6787465

[Anonymous No.6787477]

>>6787299
how do i paint digitally? I'm practically clueless and my attempts have been... something

[Anonymous No.6787479]

lord help us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YNL5DCRNec

[Anonymous No.6787483]

Next thread imma draw lots of SHIBOOGIE rin to accommodate for the birth date

[Anonymous No.6787487]

>>6787438
thats a very cute ref

[Anonymous No.6787491]

>>6786789
Neat, thanks. I’ll look into that.
>>6786438
Godspeed
>>6786612
<3
>>6786579
Rethink your life choices if this is the best you can do.
>>6786386
Breddy gud
>>6786920
Thanks! Cool heads.
>>6786946
Thank you, anon. Good job on her hand gripping the shield. Very nice.
>>6787144
Superb gestures, you’re feeling the form. Bridgman is kinda fun but very… confusing at times. Won’t be long till you can give it a shot. Just get some anatomy knowledge from wherever first. Otherwise Bridgman will be even harder to decipher. >>6787469
>>6787479
>>6787016
I fucking love you
>>6787471
Kek, based

>no verification required

[Anonymous No.6787501]

How do artists make it so their linework changes from black to brown mid stroke (to match their lighting) no way they do it manually right?

[Anonymous No.6787509]

>>6786920
>plumb lines "love life drawing" actually has a pretty good vid on the topic
Thanks, will check it out!

[Anonymous No.6787513]

>>6787501
Manually or by making a copy of the image on a layer clipped to the lineart and blurring and darkening it.

[Anonymous No.6787531]

>>6786875
Oh, I see. Okay. Thanks Anon.

[Anonymous No.6787534]

>>6787487
some fixes, more detail and a simple value
now it's time to sleep

[Anonymous No.6787539]

>>6786916
The inked faces on top make it look like some sort of hypnosis attempt.

>I can't imagine much value in this exercise unless you're putting as much concentration into this as you would put forth copying things.
Exactly. Making a perfect circle is just as hard and I don't see the upside to doing that vs just working on a good drawing of something else.

[Anonymous No.6787549]

>>6787376
No.
>>6787389
I'm doing a lot of other stuff, too. Some of it also in this thread. I do plan to go all the way and finish it soon.

That said, a predict I'm still probably slow.

[Anonymous No.6787551]

>>6787539
It just felt like a waste of a page to use a new one for circles so I just divided it up to what was already there. Lmao. Thanks for the chuckle.

[Anonymous No.6787553]

>>6787371
That's kind of the major problem with it. A sufficiently concrete explanation would take an hour or two or a teacher to provide.
A simple suggestion is to try to overlay a grid with the thing you want to draw. Then check where the outline crosses the grid and try to draw the angles and shapes of said outline.

[Anonymous No.6787600]

two 10s and a 15. last pose was a challenge, am i high-/beg/ yet?

[Anonymous No.6787613]

>>6787600
Shorter timed ones are good for practice, but they're just that. If you want to know if you're high-/beg/ do a 2h+ figure drawing giving your best. People judge you by your best performance not your average practice.

[Anonymous No.6787614]

>>6787613
i rather just keep studying figure/anatomy desu

[Anonymous No.6787615]

I tried to imagine the perspective with no reference
that was kind of fun to try

[Anonymous No.6787617]

Chipping away at this.

[Anonymous No.6787642]

[Anonymous No.6787690]

Time for the periodic Bridgman detox lol

[Anonymous No.6787713]

>>6787617
You're not following his construction methods, you're just copying.
Based Morphobro though.

[Anonymous No.6787748]

>>6787713
I just started the book. What method?

[manga edition No.6787884]

>>6787881
>>6787881
>>6787881
new edition
>>6787881
>>6787881

btw anonfiles website is killed. lmao

>>6784715
well time for (You) to make new OP then

[Anonymous No.6788282]

>>6784853
>gesture drawing
>this
It's a full-blown drawing for fuck's sake