/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[pink edition :3 No.6763020]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous thread >>6760075

[Anonymous No.6763022]

Any advice to improve this?
I feel like it turned out extremely bland for some reason

[Anonymous No.6763024]

first time drawing the skeleton!

needed 2 hours for this, using reference from loomis figure drawing book

[Anonymous No.6763025]

>>6763022
yes draw him cleaning my toilet

[Anonymous No.6763026]

Varying colors and line weight might help you out. If you're super attached to the harmonious colors, then start by varying your line weight.

[Anonymous No.6763027]

>>6763024
spooky..

[Anonymous No.6763031]

quick sketching from yt videos because drawing in public is too scary

[Anonymous No.6763035]

>>6763020
Is it just me or keys to drawing kind of going "and then draw the rest of the fucking owl"?
Currently at the end of chapter 2 and there is this practice that asks me to change between the free and detailed to draw a vase with flowers but I feel I lack so much stuff to actually draw that shit in any half-way decent way. And the side notes always show like insanely well-drawn pictures drawn by "first" time drawers

[Anonymous No.6763042]

>>6763020
Anyone have any resources for making faces more accurate? I can draw a generic "attractive" face, but I am a bit lost on how to make them look more like the reference I am studying. Should I go through Loomis again? THank you for any help /beg/olytes.

[Anonymous No.6763050]

Need crit, the colors of the charachter blend well with the background?

[Anonymous No.6763057]

>>6763035
KtD is mostly about "do the best you can" as in don't half-ass it and "Focus on the process more than the outcome" it's a book about teaching you basic concepts of drawing, not "how to draw good", that comes with practice while applying those concepts

[Anonymous No.6763066]

>>6762497
I've seen this before.

[Anonymous No.6763067]

>>6763022
Maybe it's better like this?

[Anonymous No.6763070]

>>6763022
>chilling in front of the commie blocks
>I feel like it turned out extremely bland for some reason
Job well done I'd say.

[Anonymous No.6763073]

>>6763057
I guess I'll just keep on trucking

[Anonymous No.6763084]

>>6763050
Chest armor looks great imo, same for the trees in the background, but the outlines on the helmet look bad.

[Anonymous No.6763094]

>>6763020
Good job on the OP image. To be a bit sappy, feels like we're all in this together. Doing our best etc.

[Anonymous No.6763095]

>>6763084
Thank you, i have to finish the warrior. The only thing rendered it’s the background

[Anonymous No.6763138]

>>6763070
Well, I guess...
>>6763022
I edited it to this now

[Anonymous No.6763153]

>>6763066
I've posted a rougher version, before. If that's what you mean? I've decided to go all the way with this sketch.

[Anonymous No.6763186]

3 hour painting

[Anonymous No.6763215]

Hello beg. I drew for 3 hours today if I don't count the breaks and thinking periods. I have reached text itself in KtD. Tomorrow I'll make it to the first exercise.

While the original asking anon is being a no-draw little bitch, I decided to challenge myself and pick up these prompts >>6762613 >>6762623. I spent half the drawing time today thumbnailing the streetfight (I will draw the turtle tomorrow). Picked a very tough angle (bottom up view near the feet of the fighters). So, beg, I need your help with perspective and composition, I winged some kind of 2 vanishing point thing but I don't understand what I did. Is the horizon line vertical here? Is this 3 point perspective, but both horizon line points are the same?? Please tell me if I fucked up and how to do this. (refer to the top-right image, bottom page for the most finished plan)
>>6763186
Masterful.
>>6763138
I think your problem is that the background is utterly barren. Add some trees, there's trees growing under my window in the commie block I live in. Add flowers on the lawn. Add some clutter on the balcony to make it feel lived in.
>>6762668
I am not advanced enough to suggest style ideas, but your way of doing hair is impressive.
>>6762610
Cute but obviously done by a westerner. Copy 1000 more anime to substitute asian jeans.
>>6762586
Cool heads. Overflowing with character.
>>6762577
I think your problem may be the clash between realistic nose and mouth and stylized huge eyes. Try making them smaller a bit. Then again, I am beg so I may be wrong.
>>6762353
>>6762324
Your strokes are similar to Van Gogh. True insane energy.
>>6762180
Consider putting more detail into your sketch. Make it sharper. The way it is, it feels unfinished.
>>6762104
I like your robot.
>>6761798
I am loosely following your quest on /qst/, it is interesting. Thumbs up for putting art into it.
>>6761745
I like the shocked face, but the boobs on her are unappealing to me. Nipples too big. Good studies. Keep it up!

[Anonymous No.6763228]

>"Woah, I'm in the zone, it feels like I'm about to produce peak art"
>Proceeds to make peak garbage

Just posting so that I can blogpost desu. Next time I post, it will be the full set of 7 to spare /begint/ the pleasure of my doodoo.

After 10 2h paintings in the past 11 days it feels like something is swelling up inside me. As if I'm about to level up and gain greater skill. The actual work is still nowhere near good, but I'm starting to really feel annoyed by my self imposed 2h limit. There are aspects of these painting that I could invest an hour more and refine, but I know that I'd fall into yet another trap where I'd be 6h into the painting that I wouldn't finish.
Just 20 more to go. Then a final portrait where I'll go wild, see if I've improved.

[Anonymous No.6763236]

>>6763228
Stop limiting yourself with these arbitrary rules retard. Who cares if you put 6 hours into a painting you don't finish, if you spent those 6 hours wisely, definining and refining details you will improve. By limiting yourself to a set amount you will never actually learn to do the finer details

[Anonymous No.6763238]

>>6763228
I don't feel like time limit is good if you want to produce a finished work. Time limits are good for exercises, but when I just draw, I can take more than 10 hours to make a single work.

[Anonymous No.6763240]

>>6763228
Not enough shadow on the eyes, her shirt is too light on the left, clavicle landmark miserably failed

[Anonymous No.6763244]

>tfw lines accidentally fall in place better than you intended
Feels good man

[Anonymous No.6763246]

>>6763228
Why exactly are you painting? I think you need to study the structure of the head and facial planes more before you add color

[Anonymous No.6763267]

>>6763228

[Anonymous No.6763275]

>sharpie runs out of ink
>makes better shading than i could ever do intentionally

[Anonymous No.6763285]

>>6763215
>Cute but obviously done by a westerner. Copy 1000 more anime to substitute asian jeans
I will

[Anonymous No.6763299]

>>6763275
Are they refillable? You could make dedicated shading sharpie by just keeping it near empty.

[Anonymous No.6763303]

>>6763299
I don't know but it's worth looking into it

[Anonymous No.6763305]

I think the issue might lie in me as opposed to the way the modern world is structured.
I've har an internet outage today so no real distractions but i still haven't gotten around to drawing. I have all he books and resources downloaded as pdfs so that's not an issue.

I'd like to learn how to draw but maybe i'm just not cut out for success

[Anonymous No.6763311]

>>6763285
Jesus. Do you really have to get this anal about proportions to draw decently well? I want to draw, not to solve math equations.

[Anonymous No.6763312]

>>6763305
Drawing purely for the sake of drawing is what puts me into burnout mode real quick. Is there anything specific you'd like to make? Maybe putting an idea to paper? Or drawing a cute/interesting looking actress?

[Anonymous No.6763313]

>>6763215
You're not supposed to copy every drawing in Keys. You're not going to learn anything by copying shitty drawings. You're learning how to observe and represent reality on a page. The examples are intentionally shit so you have an idea of what beginner drawings with lots of restatements look like and you don't get too precious about erasing every line over and over while you're a beginner.

[Anonymous No.6763314]

>>6763305
Do you actually have anything you want to draw?

[Anonymous No.6763315]

>>6763312
>>6763314
NTA but it's not about having something you want to draw. It never is. What me and other pre-begs want to draw is usually way too complex for our level, so it doesn't matter much if we just want something.

[Anonymous No.6763316]

>>6763315
>What me and other pre-begs want to draw is usually way too complex for our level
So we're back to "Just draw".

[Anonymous No.6763318]

>>6763316
>"Just draw"
I can't draw what I want and I don't want to draw anything else.

[Anonymous No.6763322]

>>6763318
You don't want to draw anything.

[Anonymous No.6763326]

>>6763228
There is no point in grinding painting if your drawing skill is lacklustre. Her face is deformed. Study heads and draw them, you are wasting time polishing turd. In 2 hours you could finish several head drawing exercises.

[Anonymous No.6763327]

>>6763322
I do, but when I draw it, it turns out like utter garbage that looks nothing like what I envisioned or like what the reference looks like and I get discouraged.

[Anonymous No.6763328]

>>6763315
Literally everything is too complex for your level, but everyone went through that. Your problem is that you thought you needed to have a passion for drawing, but you really needed a passion for learning to draw.

[Anonymous No.6763332]

[Anonymous No.6763338]

>>6763328
>Literally everything is too complex for your level
>you really needed a passion for learning to draw
I really am NGMI then.

[Anonymous No.6763342]

>>6761658
starting to feel it better

[Anonymous No.6763351]

doodles from today
i like how my irl doodles come out the most out of anything i make and yet i have no idea how to clean them up and make something polished without taking away all the cool bits though
>>6763022
take an actual photo like that and see how much more you can push the shading and angle for a dramatic effect

[Anonymous No.6763370]

>>6763351
>>6763022
went for more of a fish eye type thing because i like those but even without changing the pose for his face to be the center of attention you can do smth like this for a far more interesting composition. add some moody shading and presto

[Anonymous No.6763371]

>>6763351
I like your doodles anon. Did you literally "just doodle" to get to that point, or did you study your fundies as well? Looks like the latter, just making sure.

[Anonymous No.6763382]

>>6763312
>Drawing purely for the sake of drawing is what puts me into burnout mode real quick. Is there anything specific you'd like to make? Maybe putting an idea to paper?
Main reason i want to learn how to draw is so that i can realize my cool comic ideas.
I'm literally a pre-beg and i can't do anything so there's not really much i can do about those goals till i get better.

[Anonymous No.6763385]

>>6763020

[Anonymous No.6763390]

>>6763314
Exactly what has said >>6763315
Any drawing idea that pops into my head is way too complex for me to even attempt. I'm not even talking about stuff that looks bad. Its just straight up unrecognizable mess of lines becuase i am a pre-beg who doesn't even put time into practice.

[Anonymous No.6763394]

gesture quick sketches

[Anonymous No.6763415]

>>6763371
i've tried doing fundies many times but i can never get past the first day or two. it's really just a lot of drawing + a lot of references. sometimes i've also traced and looked up tutorials but my brain is fucked so i cannot sit down and "study", i gotta be working on a piece i want to see complete or else my interest evaporates

[Anonymous No.6763444]

>>6763394
fuck you

[Anonymous No.6763450]

>>6763385
Right shoulder kinda fucked

[Anonymous No.6763501]

>>6763450
I don't see it.
Help me a little if you can.

[Anonymous No.6763508]

Did about 2-4 hours of doodling heads from loomis, it looks like shit to be honest, I would like to know if there is anything wrong that I do that you lot’s can point out

[Anonymous No.6763527]

>>6763508
when starting try to get use to the motion of the arm/hand, it will help with shakiness. Also try a clip board, I see a bunch of creases. The drawing looks fine for a beg, just make sure you thinking of the fundamentals when drawing.

[Anonymous No.6763529]

Over a fucking Y E A R and I still can't draw basic fucking cubes. In fact, I've only gotten worse.

[Anonymous No.6763530]

>>6763444

what happened :0

[Anonymous No.6763531]

>>6763529
are you trying to make the prefect cube? The cubes in your drawing looks fine.

[Anonymous No.6763533]

>>6763531
I should definitely have it down by now considering how much I've grinded it. I should know all the rotations by now.

[Anonymous No.6763536]

>>6763533
its one of those visual things, some people can rotate things in there head with ease while others have a hard time with it. you should try different shapes and see if you are having a hard time with them as well.

[Anonymous No.6763541]

>six hours to do the middle and right characters
Fuck that took long. Was worth the effort though, the boots/feet on the right turned out way better than imagined. Tomorrow I'll color this and maybe touch up the guy on the left.
Pls r8.

>>6763285
>drawing cute anime faces through some kind of eldritch geometry formula
Sasuga Nihon. I kneel.

[Anonymous No.6763548]

>>6763536
I think my visual imagination is getting weaker. I can't imagine cubes very well

[Anonymous No.6763560]

>>6763548
it's more like burnout, try studying different things and come back to it later on.

[Anonymous No.6763571]

can some good anon repost the digital pen control exercise sheet?

[Anonymous No.6763583]

is just copying an artbook (bridgeman) actually good?
obviously not mindlessly copying but still

[Anonymous No.6763615]

I don't want to be NGMI anymore

[Anonymous No.6763618]

>>6763020

I think I can recommend The Art and Science of Drawing course in the /ic/ torrent

I'm on week 1 so far so lets hope the rest of the course sticks

[Anonymous No.6763622]

Today's schizo doodles

[Anonymous No.6763655]

test

[Anonymous No.6763665]

i know they're bad, but can these at least be described as actual gestures drawings, and not badly stylized stick figures? i'm >>6762364

[Anonymous No.6763676]

>>6763529
Do you draw daily?

[Anonymous No.6763679]

>>6763665
not really, you want to see the form. Timed gesture is your friend. There is vilppu times gesture drawing on youtube if you haven't watched it.

[Anonymous No.6763681]

>>6763679
i did each under 20 seconds though
i'll try your recommendation

[Anonymous No.6763684]

>>6763681
the stick figures? how long did it took your other drawing.

[Anonymous No.6763687]

>>6763684
3, maybe 4 minutes
are these the videos you're talking about, btw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk

[Anonymous No.6763688]

>>6763687
yeah that video, also here is a youtube channel that might help you
https://www.youtube.com/@RichardSmithemanArt/featured

[Anonymous No.6763690]

I've been away because 10th edition 40k came out and I can actually find games. All my art focus has gone into miniature painting.
I drew this today so I thought I'd share it here.

[Anonymous No.6763694]

>>6763688
thanks

[Anonymous No.6763701]

Coming back to drawing at age 29. I drew a lot in my early teens but gave up after a couple years. How do I stay motivated to draw despite knowing that I’ll never be a “great” artist, just “pretty good” or “ok” if I work really hard?

[Anonymous No.6763704]

>>6763701
have an art goal helps with motivation. Look at your favorite artist and try to copy that.

[Anonymous No.6763719]

Why is this so fucking hard. I try to construct it the traditional loomis way but the angles are always off or lines end up too long. Is there any purpose to doing it with loomis? Wouldn't it be better to just straight up copy it without this? What am I missing here? I removed some guidelines on the bottom one.

[Anonymous No.6763723]

>>6763719
its because loomis sucks and the head isn't a prefect ball

[Anonymous No.6763744]

>>6763723
then how do people construct/copy stylized anime heads

[Anonymous No.6763746]

>>6763744
Krenz

[Anonymous No.6763748]

>>6763315
>>6763318
>>6763382
>>6763390
>>6763701

Kill your egos.
>"B-But anon, how can I have an ego when I know I suck?"
You don't know fucking shit. You're coming in with these huge expectations on your shoulders, daring to tell yourself you have "standards" before you try something, worried about how good you'll be in years, seething because you can't put down a circle... it's all self-centered bullshit.

You will never start getting any closer to your dreams until you accept that you have no right to quality. It has to be earned over and over with every new subject. Every shit drawing is another chance to identify and train a weakness, and you will always see mistakes no matter how long you do it.

Go fucking draw what you want and stop making excuses.

[Anonymous No.6763761]

>>6763719
after five billion tries I looked up another way on youtube who basically just draws a circle and a cross, I quickly sketched it and I think it's the closest version so far.. I think my problem is being too strict on "rules" on how to draw something.. I have to try to find something intuitive for me somehow

[Anonymous No.6763765]

>>6763583

[Anonymous No.6763770]

>>6763748
i'm none of those anons, but i it was good to read your posts
i do need to earn the quality, otherwise i'm insulting the ones who inspire me

[Anonymous No.6763778]

A lot of people find making art is stressful, but I'm coming to this from music and so far this has been 10x more chill and fun. Music really makes me want to blow my brains out like half the time from frustration but visual art is just relaxing and pleasant. Maybe I'm too /beg/ to hit the frustrating part

[Anonymous No.6763798]

>>6763690
What army have you been painting?

[Anonymous No.6763813]

[Anonymous No.6763827]

>>6761458
>dude, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but i just don't think you're improving like you want
his problem is that he's doing studies but he doesn't actually try to make them look good which is, you know, the one thing your drawing has to accomplish

[Anonymous No.6763844]

1H . Thinking more about forms.

[Anonymous No.6763849]

>>6763719
in booba we trust

[Anonymous No.6763862]

day 3 of blogposting about loomis heads

today i had a look at page 19. i figured the point was to just finish the dudes in the book, but since i don't have the physical book i decided to just copy all twenty of the fuckers. i tried not to copy the lines themselves, as i understand that'd be going against the purpose of this book, and rather just 'recreate' the heads on my paper while still paying attention to how all the shapes interact. while i did cheat a little, it was still actually a lot more difficult than just creating my own heads has been, so i figure i learned something by doing this.
trying to draw every head twice helped me understand how much even the smallest fuckup can affect things

tomorrow i will have a look at the marshall vandruff perspective course like someone suggested in the last thread, then draw some more of these wretched heads and perhaps something else too

[Anonymous No.6763864]

>>6763849
oh my god he’s drawing Shibuya Rin
What have they done to the Earth?
WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO OUR FAIR SHIBUYA RIN
ravaged and plundered and RIPPED HER AND BIT HER stuck her with KNIVES IN THE side of the dawn and tied her with fences and DRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEEEEDDDDDD HHHEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR DOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN

[Anonymous No.6763865]

does copying all this really improve my brain?

what if I just want to draw cute girls

[Anonymous No.6763876]

day 16 (lucky number)
I'm investigating why I seem to draw better with a charcoal brush rather than a regular black circle brush. I tried to do a study with charcoal first then with a basic brush. The charcoal brush forces you to be patient and deliberate, it also helps you by forcing you to start with bigger forms first. I ended up running into a wall while doing the same study twice, I can't progress farther, can anyone help?

>>6763719
anytime an anon is struggling with something i want to try it myself to see if I can do it
nevertheless, i can't lol
>>6763744
starting with the ball is difficult i find it easier to start with a box
>>6763761
>I think my problem is being too strict on "rules" on how to draw something.. I have to try to find something intuitive for me somehow
Watch out anon, a lot of times it's not the method failing you, it's you failing to do the method correctly and not seeing it
I still can't recognize if a line is actually vertical or tilted, don't overestimate your eyesight
>>6763862
im all for dickriding loomis but i think "fun with a pencil" is just a novelty book for kids
>>6763665
i mean these literally are stick figures

[Anonymous No.6763878]

>>6763876
FORGOT IMAGE

[Anonymous No.6763879]

Some sketch at work, really don't understand how to conform the ab area properly

[Anonymous No.6763881]

a quick one

[Anonymous No.6763885]

>>6763876
>novelty book for kids
if that's the case then i am the target audience, because i am definitely at the level of the average 4 year old when it comes to drawing, and i have actually had a few 'holy shit' moments so far going through the book.
i've had some other people tell me it sucks, but i feel i am getting quite a lot out of it. maybe i'm wrong and i'm not really learning anything, but i'm still building a habit to actually sit down and practice which will come in handy eventually.

[Anonymous No.6763893]

BEHOLD! Babby’s first mecha
>>6763050
Looks fuckin’ cool
>>6763186
Again, fuckin’ cool. Is that the secret? Painting armor?
>>6763215
>actually drew stuff
GMI
>>6763228
Mouth needs work. I’d follow the other advice you’ve been given. Good job though, better than I could do.
>>6763332
Keep going!
>>6763342
Yeah, you’re making visible progress.
>>6763351
SOVL
>>6763394
Based Huston enjoyer back at it again with the thickness. I like it.
>>6763529
Probably not actually the case. Probably you’ve just dramatically improved your eye, so you notice more minor imperfections that you were previously blind to. Your cubes and stuff look fine. I bet if you actually compared these to your first attempts, you’ll be amazed at your progress. They’re only building blocks and raw material anyway. You’ve got them down well enough to construct drawings out of.
>>6763541
Jelly of your line control
>>6763622
Very nice! That’s extremely cool. I’d like to see you render a crow like this. No contours or outlines, just pure hatching. I think that’d be sweet.
>>6763665
I’d say to do 5 minute gestures. That or just don’t bother with the timer while you’re still trying to understand wtf gesture and quick sketch even is. Worry about the timer later.

That said, I’ve seen worse (and drawn worse) especially for just 20 seconds. GMI.
>>6763761
Godspeed
>>6763778
You. You’re gonna make it.
>>6763813
:) your drawings always make me smile.
>>6763844
Her lower half feels flattened to me, and the foot needs work. It matches the ref, but sometimes it’s better to draw what you wish was there than what you actually see. Her upper half is excellent, though. I think the way you did her hair is especially cool, too.
>>6763862
Good job!
>>6763876
Fuckin sick brah
>>6763879
Not bad. Is this from imagination?
>>6763881
Cute

[Anonymous No.6763908]

>>6763893
Actually I think this version is better. Fixed some wonkiness. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.6763910]

>>6763748
>Go fucking draw what you want
How will I ever improve if I just shit out crappy failed drawings of what I want over and over? Everyone's saying that to actually improve you need to draw boxes, or Loomis heads, or copy Bridgman, but the sole thought of that kills any motivation or desire to draw almost as much as having no skill in the first place does.

[Anonymous No.6763915]

>>6763910
Actually most people say to just fucking draw. You might be more comfortable following a structured course along with your “just draw”ing. Maybe a video course will suit you better. You could try drawabox if you wanna learn general construction basics, or Vilppu’s figure courses if you wanna learn to draw people specifically.

[Anonymous No.6763918]

>>6763228
Learn how 2 midtones lil beggie.
Forget about color for a while and do B&W studies. Render spheres and cube before every session as a warm up.

[Anonymous No.6763925]

>>6763885
Do t listen to that anon. It seemsike you know your artistic abilities with a nice dash of realism and sf awareness. If that book works for you and your getting moments of understanding, then continue at your own pace. I wish more anons would take your humble approach instead of whining about wanting instant gains with no effort or sacrifice. YOU HAVE TO SACRIFICE HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO DEVOTE HOURS OF YOUR LIFE TO MASTER YOUR CRAFT THEN YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MEDIOCRE.

[Anonymous No.6763928]

[Anonymous No.6763929]

>>6763910
>Everyone's saying that to actually improve you need to draw boxes, or Loomis heads, or copy Bridgman,
No, those are accompanied by the instructions in the book, teaching you foundational techniques by drawing boxes and Loomis heads and Bridgman. nobody is just saying to randomly draw boxes, they are saying to go to drawabox and learn the foundations of 3d objects on a 2d plane by drawing boxes. When people say to draw Loomis heads, the words that are actually coming out of their mouths is to read Loomis and listen to what he's saying and why he's having you draw these stupid heads. You fucking mouth breathing, shit for brains moron.

[Anonymous No.6763942]

>>6763236
>>6763238
>>6763240
>>6763246
>>6763267
>>6763326
>>6763893
>>6763918
Thanks for the replies, lads. I'll think about what I need to do from here. No point in continuing with 2h paintings as they are for now.

>tfw all of /ic/ came together to put me in my place.
Humbled, I kneel

[Anonymous No.6763955]

>>6763942
based

[Anonymous No.6763958]

How do I learn and practice construction really fast?

[Anonymous No.6763960]

>>6763928
my wife

[Anonymous No.6763963]

>>6763958
>How do I learn and practice construction
draw a box
>really fast?
u dont

[Anonymous No.6763979]

>>6763958
You don't.

[Anonymous No.6763984]

[Anonymous No.6763987]

I'm getting the hang of crosshatching. My question is should I follow the contour of the shapes or stick to strictly directional (as in one layer 45° to the right, another layer to the left for more darkness, horizontal then vertical for the last bit of darkest areas). I'm conflicted but I'm finding my groove.

[Anonymous No.6763988]

[Anonymous No.6763990]

>>6763963
>>6763979

[Anonymous No.6763995]

>>6763622
Looks great

[Anonymous No.6764003]

>>6763893
The character is from imagination and the pose is referenced.

[Anonymous No.6764009]

>have an ipad
>have a screenless tablet
>have lead holder & sketchbook
>keep alternating between the 3
>never get really used to any of the 3
>whenever Im using one, Im thinking about the advantages of the other 2
What the FUCK do I do anons.

[Anonymous No.6764013]

>>6764009
Just GITGUD with all of them, but use one of them as a main so you have a higher level of familiarity with it's layout

[Anonymous No.6764015]

>>6763928
I’ve always loved your doodles. Please never stop.
>>6763958
DrawABox
You can get to basic constructed drawings in like a couple weeks. Maybe faster depending on your aptitude and how much you practice and stuff. Basically, once you can feel the form, you’re good to go. I mean, you can practice construction whenever you want. Pick something simple like whales and then try to build them out of simple forms.
>>6763984
Cool!
>>6763987
That’s beautiful. I like hatching that follows the form, like the renaissance masters. Try both and see what you like. You could also combine them, using strictly directional hatching to create an even tone on the shadow side of forms, and use the contour type of hatching otherwise. Try doing a couple different simple forms using different styles of hatching.
>>6763988
Good job of foreshortening the figure on the left. Keep it up!
>>6764003
Whoa, nice face.

[Anonymous No.6764022]

>>6764015
Thank you! I will continue to experiment to see which one I like. And yes I love the Renaissance master works and how their lines follow. I might do some drawing strictly with that technique and then some strictly with directional.

[Anonymous No.6764025]

>>6763942
I'm staying for this character arc. The anon that beat shadman. I can see it now.
>He was a permabeg sayain crab with a dream
>He drew the fucking boxes
>He shaded the fucking blobs
>He drew the fucking Loomis heads
>But it wasn't enough
>One day the stars aligned on the Saiyan crab
>He posted in a beg thread hoping not to get passed over like every time before
>One humble crabanon jumped forth from the bucket and pinched the sayain crab
>Then another
>And another
>Until soon the sayain crab had all he could take.
>There was one secret the crabanons didn't know about the sayain crab
>Zenkai boost
>Once the sayain crab had recovered he was no longer just a normal sayain crab
>He was a SUPER SAYAIN CRAB

[Anonymous No.6764029]

>>6764009
Gid gud desu. All of them have their advantages, but the type of work you do will determine the tool you need. I have a screen tablet, but I've been using it screenless for a few months since one of my PCs HDMI ports broke. Made me realize that only screen tablet that would work for me would be a big one.

[Anonymous No.6764030]

was just sketching, then got hooked rendering the cock

[Anonymous No.6764031]

>>6764015
Thanks! I like your gestures and body study, I need to get back to reading my Morpho books here soon. Here's another somewhat older piece I need to adjust and finish at some point

[Anonymous No.6764032]

>>6764030
This is a beg thread sir. God is watching you.

[Anonymous No.6764033]

>>6764030
That cock reminds me of nurgle mutations is all im sayin

[Anonymous No.6764034]

>>6764030
Down bad fr fr sheesh

[Anonymous No.6764085]

>>6764030
homo
go draw something that isn't retarded

[Anonymous No.6764086]

>>6763813
gangster asuka very gangstah

[Anonymous No.6764126]

>>6764033
funny, it's actually an 'alien' character

>>6764085
how is depicting a man's genitalia in erotic way retarded? also i'm not a dude.

[Anonymous No.6764127]

>>6763798
Space wolves

[Anonymous No.6764137]

>>6764126
>i'm not a dude
You know the drill.

[Anonymous No.6764139]

simpul

[Anonymous No.6764145]

>>6764127
>so good at drawing
>so shit at minipainting
Just the exact opposite of me.

[Anonymous No.6764154]

[Anonymous No.6764178]

>>6764139
oh my sweet melancholia~ this reminds me of elliott smith somehow
>>6764137

[Anonymous No.6764184]

>>6764178
Are you the sandnigger from france who draws obscene shit

[Anonymous No.6764185]

>>6764126
>i'm not a dude.
kill yourself tranny

[Anonymous No.6764188]

>>6763748
None of what you wrote here helps in any way shape or form.
Shouldve just said
>Just draw
And the effect and the whole message wouldve been the same.

[Anonymous No.6764191]

>>6763925
I want to put in the hours i just can't. I was never taught proper work ethic and i can't force it through. Even when i hit moments of motivation the instant i put pencil to the paper i'm filled with immense feelings of shame.
I just wasn't built for it and should probably give up despite not even trying hard in the first place.
I mean do you really think that's how reality works?, That the guy who has given up once before and does more whinig then work will ever change his ways and earn a redemption? No, that's what happens in fairy tales or like slice of life mangas. I'm not even talking about talent but if putting in the work is a challenge in itself then you're not gonna fucking make it and you're better off going back to wasting your time binge watching American Dad or some other shit like it.

Damn i wish i was some other guy and nit myself. This blows

[Anonymous No.6764198]

>I don't want to draw but I want to draw, and draw extremely well, also I don't know what I want to draw
Lol what causes this? Brain shortening from social media and porn maybe? Anon if you don't know what to draw just do something else

[Anonymous No.6764202]

>>6764198
I know what to draw, i have no necessary skill to draw it
It's not even about the end result looking bad. I'm a pre beg so all you'll get is an actual mess of lines+some symbol drawing on top.
>Anon if you don't know what to draw just do something else
I have nothing else id like to do in abstract. Its either this or base level hedonism bullshit that's just essentially burning time until i die.
>Brain shortening from social media and porn maybe?
I had an internet outage all day yesterday and despite that still haven't drawn a single thing. The issue is internal and nit external. All blame is on me.

[Anonymous No.6764204]

>>6764202
If you know what to draw just draw it until it's good. Literally every artist throughout time has recommended this. Why come here to yuck everyone's yum with your disgusting depression? Either fix yourself or hide yourself, this is just embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.6764205]

you dont draw
you dont want to draw
you only bitch and moan about how you are ngmi
leave this thread
seriously
this is not a pace for you
go

[Anonymous No.6764210]

>>6764202
>I had an internet outage all day yesterday
That shit is for life, one day without internet isn't a good representation of what you'd be like if you weren't a brain zapped, dopamine stealing internet zombie

[Anonymous No.6764212]

>>6764210
Alright so i guess its just over and i'll never do anything because i've happened to play minecraft as a boy.

[Anonymous No.6764213]

>>6764204
Dunno man. Wish i had the balls to just give up for good and to start feeling okay with not doing anything ever. I'm just not there yet.

[Anonymous No.6764216]

>>6764212
fuck off
stop shitting up the thread with your self pity
nobody cares

[Anonymous No.6764223]

>>6764212
I thought it was made clear last thread.
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6764224]

is this the same shizo but using a different approach to get attention?

[Anonymous No.6764227]

>>6764202
>I had an internet outage all day yesterday
Funnily enough I had a power outage most day yesterday. Electricity came back just as I started pic related just to taunt me.
>inb4 hands
I know

The only real solution is 1. Try making stuff at current skill level, 2. Single out the top 3 sore spots, 3. Work from references and study the issues.
People are bound to statements like yours here because the solution is always the same - learn what you can't and improve. If the problem is lifestyle based, it will drag all aspects of your life down and you should see it as just another thing to be fixed so you cam live a life you enjoy.

[Anonymous No.6764229]

>>6764227
Phoneposting bad. No good image resize.

[Anonymous No.6764230]

>>6763984
good forms
>>6763987
I like lines that follow the form for form shadows and parallel lines for cast shadows
>>6764139
soul

[Anonymous No.6764235]

1.5 hours of figure drawing

[Anonymous No.6764236]

>>6763622

[Anonymous No.6764237]

>>6763622
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6764240]

>>6764227
All of that is easier said than done.
Besides, i don't even draw enough to know what my strong/weak points are.
I don't fucking know if i'm bad or good at hands. I haven't drawn shit so how could i know.

[Anonymous No.6764243]

>>6764240
That's true. Could you perchance get a sketchpad and draw your hand for 10 minutes then post it? Tbh once you get into the process it's a lot simpler. You just have to be making and posting.

[Anonymous No.6764246]

>>6764240
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764247]

>>6763765
What do i do if i can't copy accurately? I've tried Copying Bridgeman and i was told to stop since none of my copies were accurate enough to warrant continued exercise.

[Anonymous No.6764248]

>>6764243
>sketchpad
I don't have that technology unless you want me to draw using a mouse. I've done the KtD hands exercise before. I've actually liked it and didn't have many issues with it. It just didn't help me with improving anything else except for that very specific method of drawing hands from live reference.

[Anonymous No.6764251]

>>6764240
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764253]

>>6764248
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764256]

>>6764253
>>6764251
>>6764246
>>6764223

I really should

[Anonymous No.6764261]

>>6764256
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764271]

I feel like I’m only learning to draw to supplement my porn addiction and make actual sex with a woman impossible

[Anonymous No.6764272]

>>6764271
try draw something wholesome

[Anonymous No.6764273]

>>6764154
figuring out lighting

>>6764235
not only are your figures great, your brush and your sketching technique is pretty in itself
saved

>>6764015
are those... are those cat ears on your studies?

>>6763987
pretty

[Anonymous No.6764276]

>>6763618

[Anonymous No.6764293]

>>6763849
Damn you inspire me anon. Maybe I should start with the boobs first so I get more motivated to draw a good looking head on top kek

>>6763876
Yeah, I will continue to try because this anon here >>6763849

did it pretty good

[Anonymous No.6764296]

>>6764126
>how is depicting a man's genitalia in erotic way retarded?
it's retarded.

[Anonymous No.6764298]

Guys when you copy a head let's say, how big do you draw the first sketch? (digital) are you supposed to fill up your entire screen, half of it, or just a tiny bit so you can comfortably draw with your wrist/elbow only? When I see people draw anime characters on paper, they mostly do it kinda small.

[Anonymous No.6764300]

>>6764271
Gotta earn that pussy. Would be lying if I said that I don't feel energized to do figure drawings of women when I don't jack it for a few days. Neanderthal genes acting up, cave painting buffalo to pray for a good hunt.

[Anonymous No.6764304]

>>6764126
>how is depicting a man's genitalia in erotic way retarded?
He’s a closeted homo

[Anonymous No.6764316]

more figures

>>6764273
>not only are your figures great, your brush and your sketching technique is pretty in itself
wow, thanks a lot. it's the brushes doing a lot of the work, Lane's Drawing Brush Pack if you or anyone else were curious.
Of yours, the 2nd or 4th looks the best to me.

[Anonymous No.6764318]

I'm in the mood to hoard art, bros.

Fuck quality, I want to make a thousand simple sketches, ink washes, collages etc. go on Pinterest and copy the essence of every work I see, it should be enough to cover the walls in my room like a schizo.

[Anonymous No.6764319]

>>6764261
Will do.

[Anonymous No.6764329]

Everything looks like shit but the legs/thighs even more so. FUCK
Kinda difficult to find reference for these exaggearted proportions.

[Anonymous No.6764331]

>>6763020
Forced myself to do some studies, tried drawing from imagination again and rendered it anyway because it's just fun to do. I don't love it but it might be better then the previous ones. can't tell desu

>>6763987
This looks neat but i'd say her shoes are way too small for her feet. and as the others have said i also prefer hatching that follows the form, just looks neater

>>6764240
if you haven't drawn shit everything's probably your weak point there solved it for you

[Anonymous No.6764337]

>>6764329
Because there's zero detail. The left thigh doesn't look 'too' bad.
>Kinda difficult to find reference for these exaggearted proportions.
Plenty of hentai out there with those proportions.

[Anonymous No.6764358]

>>6764126
>i'm not a dude.
/beg/ could always use references of user's booba. Please consider. PLEASE.

[Anonymous No.6764362]

is listening to music while practicing good? it makes it easier to bear but i'm afraid it takes up some of my focus or something like that

[Anonymous No.6764366]

>>6764362
i listen to music, but never music with lyrics in it

[Anonymous No.6764375]

>>6764362
Only you can judge. I listen to music I can sing along to, time flies by faster.

[Anonymous No.6764381]

>>676433
>if you haven't drawn shit everything's probably your weak point
What does that tell me?
I'm still exactly where i was at a week or a month ago. I just can't do anything still

[Anonymous No.6764382]

>>6764362
I listen to anything really, music, podcasts, etc. The only thing I can’t do is a movie or video for obvious reasons.

[Anonymous No.6764383]

Might as well ask here too
I'm looking for a picture that was going around a few days ago, it was a bunch of boxes sketches from a jp animator, possibly Yutaka Nakamura or yoshinari. I remember a spiral made of boxes. I don't know how to be more specific

[Anonymous No.6764389]

>>6764381
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764392]

Can anyone recommend a solid Wacom drawing tablet for a beginner?

[名無し No.6764393]

been taking my ipad to various places, basically just a kava bar with an open mic and more recently a nude model drawing meetup.

this first one was a hippie girl with dreads; played a song and i drew her (each set is roughly 10 minutes so thats how long she basically held the pose)

(not trying to spam up the thread either, its 9 images total)
(1/9)

[名無し No.6764396]

girl with glasses that draws as well, very soft spoken singing

(i lied theres actually 11 images total k)
(2/11)

[名無し No.6764398]

The rest are from the nude model drawing meetup

he turned out to be a retired medical illustrator lol

(3/11)

[名無し No.6764400]

5 min pose

(4/11)

[名無し No.6764402]

10 min pose

(5/11)

[名無し No.6764404]

(6/11)

[名無し No.6764412]

also he kept talking while he posed and was actually saying legit tips because he was also an art teacher

out of all them, well its basically me, a NEET and 9 other retired old people, basically everyone that could make a 1:30pm on wednesday lol

he said: "all the negative space is always triangles, you can basically use a single triangle as a sort of, grid, to measure out the figure"

i was like yoooo
then he broke down so much anatomical knowledge that i was like fr
"the midpoint of the body is this particular point (he said what it was but i can't recall) in the pelvis"

anyways then he joked about how all of the head measuring goes out the door when you have forshortening which was during >>6764402
for which i had the most foreshortened view lol

20 mins
(7/11)

[名無し No.6764417]

okay im bad at counting it really was 9 images total wow

the last one is a doozy i promise
(8/9)

[Anonymous No.6764418]

>>6764383
found it in the archive
good image

[名無し No.6764422]

fwiw, this man had a big penis. but it was also uncircumsized and and like all bulgy and weird looking, definitely the biggest penis ive ever seen outside my own.

before the final pose we were talking and he pointed to a study on the wall that was very well done by a student, but the genitals weren't drawn in.
he's like "so many of my students do that, its kind of making a statement by not drawing it you know? You're trying to avoid controversy and yet by not drawing it in, you're saying something"

i basically nodded and laughed because it was so true; anyways the final pose i said fuck it, im gonna draw nothing but this dudes penis because I draw hentai for fucks sake; the penis is always in the forefront and this is probably the only study of a penis i'll ever do outside my own.

20 minute study of the penis. I had to duck out looking at it at about 17 mins in because honestly, like bruh, that is more penis than im used to seeing idk

so i finish it, and it was the final pose so he was putting his clothes on and i waited and came over and showed him pic related, "so yeah I'm kinda a hentai artist on the side, and fwiw i just wanted to draw nothing but this as an antithesis to what we were talking about"
he straight up laughed and said "Well okay thats a hell of a study !"

anyways i learned i never want to do a study of a penis again. jk
its all form anyways; thanks for putting up with my autism hasta luego
(9/9)

[Anonymous No.6764427]

Haven't drawn in three days now. I wonder when will i start again.
Even then i gotta step up my game. The absolute most that i can do is like an hour and a half of work. Pathetic

[Anonymous No.6764438]

>>6764418
love you anon

[Anonymous No.6764447]

Fumobros

[Anonymous No.6764463]

>>6764392
i recently BORROWED my sisters tablet to try it out , this is what i was able to do on it
>pic elated
I call it a FAILUREofmassivePROPORTIONS. you might want to buy one and see if you like it, the BIG screen ones (ones where you draw on the screen) are probably much better but I never used one. very usefull for figuring out construction and gesture off of pictures . Also i only ended up using the middle part of it so I do not need a bigtablet, although if I ever improve on digital art i will probably want a screened BIG-un

[Anonymous No.6764465]

>>6764392
what do you mean? if you want a wacom tablet, get a wacom tablet. if you want something cheaper, there are countless chinese ripoffs that are basically wacom but 1 or 2 generations behind
i personally use an xp-pen deco 01

>>6764362
it depends. i can use to music with lyrics and even podcasts while doing some types of drawing, for some other i deliberately turn off the podcast and turn down the music
if you feel distracted, you probably are. if you feel like the music puts you in a good mood then thats good

>>6764329
>Kinda difficult to find reference for these exaggearted proportions.
anon you dont need references for the exact same thing that you are drawing (unless you are copying a reference aka "tracing with extra steps")
you can take a skinny girl in the same pose, notice where her muscles and fat are squished, and just draw the same thing on a more curvy woman
>Everything looks like shit but the legs/thighs even more so
you need more understanding of the human form. you might think that you know enough already, but the way you drew the thighs entering the pelvis proves otherwise. study anatomy

>>6764316
awesome yet again
how long do you spend on a figure on average?

>>6764276
forgive me for making assumptions
it looks like you are still in the "learning to see and copy 2d shapes" stage. not saying there is anything wrong with your path, but consider drawing nude people if you want to move into 3d form (clothing makes it difficult) or if you stick with observation and drawing in 2d, consider more "abstract" subjects like still lifes, flowers, (rocky) landscapes etc. references with more simple, easy to recognize features - whatever the feature you are interested in might be

[Anonymous No.6764482]

>>6764417
>>6764412
>>6764402
Anon, this is a weird question but why did you make the drawing so messy? were these restatement lines, as in you just didnt use an eraser? Not saying its bad because im a beg, just want to understand your method. nice story tho.

[Anonymous No.6764507]

>>6763688
thanks again, anon, Smitheman really helped
i finally have a step by step method now
it's messy and proportions are still scuffed, but i feel it's a start
>>6764427
keep at it anon!

[名無し No.6764517]

>>6764482
lack of stabilizer and
i basically was just drawing as fast as i could; i don't really erase in general for something like that.
i also just have a shaky hand at this point ngl; digital is also hard for me to see the screen as a piece of paper, im much better at trad. part of reason im bringing the ipad to figure study meetups is to hopefully make digital more intuitive for me.

[Anonymous No.6764523]

>>6764465
>awesome yet again
>how long do you spend on a figure on average?
Thanks.
I usually warm up with 2 minute gestures, then 5 minutes figures like on the first post. The second batch were 10 minutes each for the top ones and and 20 minutes each for the bottom ones.

[Anonymous No.6764536]

>>6764362
Helps me to get in the zone so I can easily focus. Half the reason why I started drawing again was to get more time to listen to music. It definitely takes away some brain power though so sometimes I have tot pause the music to figure out some tricky anatomy or perspective thing or when learning something new. Otherwise its all fine for me. Seems it's quite personal though, so find what works for you.

[Anonymous No.6764541]

>>6764329
>>6764465

[Anonymous No.6764542]

>>6764541

[Anonymous No.6764544]

>>6764465
I just might buy this tablet. It’s pretty affordable and I’m a beginner anyway so I can’t justify paying a ton right now

[Anonymous No.6764554]

Daily reminder to become good at art it takes around 20000 hours. That means 8 hours of studying a day for 7 years. Want to quit yet?

[Anonymous No.6764559]

I think I'm slowly understanding

[Anonymous No.6764560]

>>6764554
>Daily reminder
Ive been here yesterday and did not see this reminder. You are lying
>it takes around 20000 hours
Progress is <time spent> multiplied by <focus>. Any arbitrary number of hours alone is not indicative at all.
>That means 8 hours of studying a day for 7 years.
Depends on your goal. If you want to go from /beg/ to painting same facey 3/4 portraits on instagram you can get there much faster than achieving god like figure drawing from imagination.
>Want to quit yet?
No. Do you?

[Anonymous No.6764563]

>>6764554
>8 hours of studying a day for 7 years
Holy shit. Even if we take the more accepted figure of 10000 hours, it's 4 hours a day for 7 years.
>Want to quit yet?
Yes, actually, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6764566]

>>6764554
if this makes you want to quit rather than encourages you to put in even more hours a day then you're a little bitch

[Anonymous No.6764569]

>>6764554
This is the mentality of a crab that does not have fun while drawing.

[Anonymous No.6764573]

>>6764560
Someone else was posting 10000 hours studying for 6 hours a day for about 5 years. After about a year of drawing I’m good enough for people to buy my furry porn so I’m not stressing too much about getting “good”

[Anonymous No.6764575]

>>6764569
>crab that does not have fun while drawing
Can you really have fun when you suck? What's the secret? Is it possible to learn to have fun regardless of how good or how bad the result is?

[Anonymous No.6764576]

>>6764554
>Want to quit yet?
No, it's gonna take me less time because I'm a genius. Stay in the bucket.

[Anonymous No.6764579]

>>6764575
>Can you really have fun when you suck?
Remember drawing things as a child?

[Anonymous No.6764582]

>>6764554
got past the beginner hump, nah it's pretty fun now

[Anonymous No.6764583]

>>6764579
>drawing things as a child
I remember, yes. Looking back on it, it was utter garbage. My standards were too low, I couldn't really tell good from bad and I didn't have much of a filter. But now I don't think I can silence my inner critic for long enough to draw like a child again.

[Anonymous No.6764585]

>>6764583
skill issue

[Anonymous No.6764594]

>>6764554
>Want to quit yet?
i've put in like under 50 hours in the past two years so yeah, i'm thinking it'd be a good moment to quit now.

[Anonymous No.6764595]

>>6764154
>>6764273
>>6764465
>>6764541
>>6764542
i guess legs and feet are my next study subject

i sure wish all these attention seeking ngmis and crabs would ACTUALLY quit and leave this thread for real - instead of just talking back and forth in circles about all the reasons why they should quit and shitting up the thread subsequently

this thread reaches bump limit almost daily, yet there are only a dozen of people actively drawing

[Anonymous No.6764615]

today i watched the intro the vandruff's perspective course, then did some more loomis heads as ordained by page 20, then did two more in the top right to practice the more sideways ones, but didn't actually make them as sideways as i wanted to
i'm having trouble figuring out which lines to actually draw in after doing the construction.i also don't really fully understand why my heads just end up looking so, so much simpler than the ones in the book, or rather i do understand it up until the moment i try to actually do something about it
also quickly drew a bunch of bananas because i figured they're just simple shapes that overlap each other, which is kind of what i'm doing anyway

[Anonymous No.6764650]

trying to draw myself

[Anonymous No.6764658]

>>6764463
I accidentaly Backspaced that the Borrowed tablet was screenless. Fuck

[Anonymous No.6764670]

>>6764650
I want to have intimate gay sex with you anon

[Anonymous No.6764673]

>>6764595
I've tried quiting before but i always get drawn into it.
The longest i went without thinking about this stuff was a year and even then it was always at the back of my mind.
I wish i could either quit for good or just get good finally. I'm stuck in a limbo.

[Anonymous No.6764676]

>>6764463
I’ll probably get a tablet with a screen in the future, but I’m not rich or good enough at drawing yet to justify buying one right now. Maybe in a couple years.

[Anonymous No.6764680]

>>6764673
>>6764595
Will i be forgiven if i resume practice starting tomorrow and post my work as i go through it?

[Anonymous No.6764687]

You are procrastinating and spamming "I will start tomorrow" for days now, yet you never draw. You don't even deserve a (You). Why do you have this thread open? Why are you on /ic/? Fuck off and kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6764692]

>>6764331
draw some eyes lil nigga

[Anonymous No.6764693]

>>6764687
>"I will start tomorrow" for days now, yet you never dra
Tomorrow tomorrow is my day, i can feel it, that's the gamechanger in the making, for sure.
>Why do you have this thread open?
>Why are you on /ic/?
To learn how to draw(eventually)
>Fuck off and kill yourself.
Will do(eventually)

[Anonymous No.6764695]

>>6764650
>>6764670
Let's make it a threesome
(Also the drawing itself is real nice too)

[Anonymous No.6764699]

>>6764693
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764710]

>>6764699
I will eventually get good whether you want it or not.

[Anonymous No.6764712]

>>6764710
>I will eventually get good
Only if you shut the fuck up and draw. You don't get good at something by whining on an anonymous Vietnamese basket-weaving forum about it.

[Anonymous No.6764714]

>>6764710
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764721]

>>6764712
yeah yeahm i'll do it first thing tomorrow morning. I'll work so hard and so long. Just you wait till you see.

[Anonymous No.6764724]

>>6764721
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6764726]

>>6764670
>>6764695
B-buts im straight anons D:

[Anonymous No.6764732]

>>6764145
>good at drawing
>shit at minipainting
Not really to either. The drawing was from a reference and the minis were a WIP from an army I was rushing to get in the table.
Here's a better example of my mini painting.
I got to fix the lipstick, but I've been so busy. I've got more shit to put together and paint but I just got off work and I'm trying to decompress.

I appreciate the compliment none the less.

[Anonymous No.6764734]

my back hurts, and in fact i think it is a chronic hurt ive had since i was a teen

what do

[Anonymous No.6764736]

>>6764726
>im straight
So is spaghetti until it gets hot and wet. Live a little, anon.

[Anonymous No.6764751]

>>6764734
do the superman exercise once a day, to rebuild and strengthen your lower back muscles. It fixed mine, I had an injury too in my teens, that shit never went away till I started doing this exercise

[Anonymous No.6764754]

>>6764751
How long do you do it, as in time or in effort, like to failure?

[Anonymous No.6764755]

>>6764726
no straight man has ever used D:. You're built for loving and wholesome gay sex.

[Anonymous No.6764757]

>>6764724
What's the issue this time, i've literally posted my work, i'm trying to adhere to the ruleset and you're still knocking me down champ. What's the matter here.

[Anonymous No.6764760]

[Anonymous No.6764767]

>>6764754
It is a very specific exercise, you can only do one set, 10 reps, you won't be able to do much more than that. Try it and you will see. It's hard. One set per day is more than enough.
What I do is trying to maintain the position with the legs and chest up from the ground and do mini reps, you know, with out relaxing the back muscles, that's very effective.

Consistency is the key, but you will notice the change and you will understand how this thing changes your whole body stance. it changed my life. It's like having an armored brace holding your whole body. Before doing this I couldn't sit a couple hours without getting knife stabs feelings in my lower back.

[Anonymous No.6764770]

>>6764751
i was just googling this after making this post and the superman exercise came up in the guide for back exercises. i will start doing this every day, im too young for things like this. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.6764778]

is drawing an obsolete skill with AI now? I've just started getting good and now I sad, cry "_"

[Anonymous No.6764781]

>>6764544
=)

>>6764559
each face is slightly off in exactly the right way to be funny
good job anon keep improving and progress posting

>>6764615
>vandruff's perspective course
is it good? i never consumed anything from him besides his podcast with proko
>i'm having trouble figuring out which lines to actually draw in after doing the construction.
it looks to me that you did it right in your drawings though
a line is only an abstraction that does not exist in reality, they are just a shorthand for indicating various real life phenomena. setting aside all lines that are not part of conveying the form of a subject (like motion lines or abstract blush on an embarrassed anime girls cheeks) all lines are some sort of an "outline".

an object against its background has a line, an object that overlaps another object too. a form that is turning "away" from the camera and revealing an object behind it (like the underside of a boob turning away and revealing the torso underneath) will have a line if an "overhand" is created. or in other terms, if projected onto a plane there is a sharp enough turn in the direction of surfaces. parts of the body that do not create an overhang but have this "turning away" form are sometimes indicated with softer lines even though there is no sharp turn in surface angles. in those cases, the softer lines / gentle hatching is used because all lines (in terms of 3d form) are just an abstract, 100% extreme case of a soft, frontal lighting. so even with no overhang, a turn in surfaces would show up darker in frontal lighting, and depending on ones style can be indicated using lines as well. everything is an outline in this sense. your job is to be aware of the angle of the surface planes and when a sharp turn / overhang is present. a simple example is, where do you draw the "outline" of a breast and where does it end.

[Anonymous No.6764790]

>>6764778
AI art doesn't exist outside of porn and techbro circlejerks.

[Anonymous No.6764791]

>>6764154
>>6764273
>>6764465
>>6764541
>>6764542
>>6764595
>>6764781
more legs and feet

>>6764615
>i also don't really fully understand why my heads just end up looking so, so much simpler than the ones in the book
partly because your lines are not confident yet, there is no varying lineweight but i would argue the biggest reason is that they dont "feel" 3d. you succeed here and there in following the construction underneath, but mostly it looks like you are placing circles for the sake of copying the construction process - whereas you should be placing *spheres* in 3d space, arranging them into the base for a head and face, then following those spheres outlines with your pen to describe and make clear, which sphere is in front and which is in the back, where do the spheres merge into each other, where do they pinch etc

in the end, dont worry about it too much yet. you are a beginner and time spent drawing is more valuable for your progress right now than any advice or guidance you can hope to receive here.

keep drawing, keep posting progress. everybody started out the same as you, and everybody had the same problems, doubts and confusions as you are having right now. do your best to solve them sure, but dont get hung up on them or even worse discouraged by them.

>>6764650
very nice painting anon. also really creative use of brushes!

>>6764757
jesus christ stop pretending to be dumber than you are. you are not tricking anybody, you are just too tiring to engage with. kill yourself

>>6764778
>is drawing an obsolete skill with AI now?
>is driving an obsolete skill with self driving cars?
>is cooking obsolete with food-delivery?
>are roller-coasters obsolete when recreational drugs exist?
>...

[Anonymous No.6764793]

>>6764791
>it looks like you are placing circles for the sake of copying the construction process - whereas you should be placing *spheres* in 3d space
NTA but I don't really get the distinction. You're still only operating on a 2D plane, so every "sphere" you place is still going to be a circle.

[Anonymous No.6764817]

>>6764793
strictly speaking yes, but there is a subtle difference when you think of it as 3d forms. "feeling the form"
it leads to a more consistent placement, a better use of lines, a more convincing light and shadow etc
it is nearly impossible to explain but there is a distinction

thats why begs are told to grind and strive to feel the form. once you witness and understand the difference for yourself by stumbling into it by accident (made more probable by more practice and more focus during practice) you can turn this way of thinking on consciously and your drawings will be more convincing

it is the difference between a drawing of a thing, and "holy fuck this feels real"

in that anons case, it seemed to me that he was merely drawing a circle for construction because thats where the reference showed a circle construction line. in order to move forward i recommend to *think* of it as if it were a sphere that needs to be placed in the right place, in three dimensions


also thinking of a 3d form is much easier than trying to guess what irregular shape and what crazy angles the 2d projection of a 3d form will have. in the former case, you can just "place" in 3d the basic construction forms and its 2d projection on the paper will happen on its own. in the latter case you would need to memorize 2d projections of which there are too many to count and which are very irregular

can you think of the outline that two breasts create when hunched over in a 3/4 view? can you think of the position of two spheres in that same pose, and then just use their respective overlaps to create the outline? the sphere mentality will be easier

[Anonymous No.6764824]

>can copy from a reference super well.
>can’t construct from my mind worth shit
Time to start the copying Bridgman journey I guess

[Anonymous No.6764834]

>>6764824
You're not supposed to do Bridgeman until you know how to copy accurately.

[Anonymous No.6764837]

>>6764834
read his post again

[Anonymous No.6764852]

feet

[Anonymous No.6764881]

Hello beg. Today was a messy day, fucked around in the first half and was busy in the second. Didn't draw much. I did the feet exercise, around 20 mins in I realized I took an unfortunate uncomfortable position. I decided to push on and shifted my legs a bit once in a while to kinda mitigate it, I still rushed the second foot to finally get walking. I got up STUMBLING lol I almost fell from the sore leg. I was limping for 5 minutes afterwards. It was a good project.

Also I request help again with composition and perspective for this prompt >>6762613. I have done some work on thumbnailing it and asked questions in my previous post >>6763215.

It is kind of late, so I won't be mass replying this time except for a few posts.
>>6762302
>also consider using some pen(ink)
I plan to buy pen, ink, charcoal and other art supplies soon if I don't give up again.
>>6762095
>Try not to just get stuck grinding stuff from books.
>Make it so you’re “doing drawing” as well, and not just “doing studies.”
I know. I will do stuff that's fun for me, too. I am currently working on the smoking turtle and streetfight prompts. Then again, I enjoy copying, so it's all good.
>>6763313
I'm leveling up my observation and discipline, if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.6764907]

I always laugh my ass off on the low self esteem permabeg trolls, so I made this little comic to illustrate what these little conversations here seem like.

[Anonymous No.6764917]

>>6763342

[Anonymous No.6764920]

Today's 5 minute studies. Some from photo reference, some from Yoh yoshinari's sketchbook, trying to quickly draw these was fun

[Anonymous No.6764923]

following up on >>6764507
what's my gmi status? tips?
i could post the step-by-step method i took from Smitheman, in case something's missing from it or needs changing

[Anonymous No.6764933]

>>6764923
pay more attention to proportion

[Anonymous No.6764936]

>>6764923
look at the hip area, you are making it longer then need to be.

[Anonymous No.6764944]

>>6764933
>>6764936
yeah, first thing i did after posting was photoshopping the legs to be longer and it looks much better right away
should i just draw me initial 2 boxes closer together, or does it look like there's more going on?

[Anonymous No.6764947]

Does art practice leave you with a sense of accomplishment or satisfaction of some sort?
I mostly spend my days on garbage hedonism so the moment i'm done with whatever activity i've engaged in in order to burn time i lose all of the positive feelings associated. Would be nice to have something that doesn't stop being pleasant the microsecond you stop doing it.

[Anonymous No.6764952]

>>6764947
Holy shit would you people just go to a fucking therapist

[Anonymous No.6764956]

>>6764952
Art on any level is just 75% therapy for your broken soul. The only difference between a guy who's just sad and a guy who makes Berserk is the skill but the desire to jack off to ones own sadness and "deep" thoughts is pretty much the exact same in both cases.

[Anonymous No.6764958]

>>6764956
Just go to a therapist omfg

[Anonymous No.6764965]

>>6764958
Mental health industry is literally a ponzi scheme. Read "Doktorspielt" by Gert Postel.
The guy conned his way into being a country-renowned mental health professional by stringing together different scientific terms and a bit of common sense.
Only about thirty percent of people who are currently on SSRIs actually do need them, they did a study where they switched peoples meds for placebo and only 1/3 noticed any difference in their wellbeing. Stimulant prescriptions have tripled in 2020 despite the amount of HDHD diagnosis's not following a similar trend.

I personally know multiple people who got fucked up by Xanax/Ritalin and are currently mindfried husks of their former selves

[Anonymous No.6764978]

>>6764965
NTA butt I'm on an NDRI (Bupropion) And it literally made me wanna draw again.

[Anonymous No.6764997]

>>6764978
>But the outlier
Glad you rolled the six on a dice but the success rates of all that mental health stuff are worse than what you get with russian roulette.

Man i hope i won't need a mind-altering chemical to finally get to work.

[Anonymous No.6765005]

>>6764997
>meanwhile smokes weed and drinks beer

[Anonymous No.6765024]

>>6765005
>meanwhile smokes weed and drinks beer
I do neither of those. A trans woman tried to get me to smoke weed once. She said that i seem to be tense all the time and that it would help me relax. Thankfully i have been redpilled on weed since way bay so i knew none of that was true or real

[Anonymous No.6765026]

>>6764465

>consider drawing nude people if you want to move into 3d form (clothing makes it difficult) or if you stick with observation and drawing in 2d, consider more "abstract" subjects like still lifes, flowers, (rocky) landscapes etc. references with more simple, easy to recognize features - whatever the feature you are interested in might be

thanks for the advice anon

[Anonymous No.6765030]

Touched up the hands and added color/shading. I'm not too happy with the colors of the middle one. Tried to keep to the reference, but it kind of looks like ass.
>found out about colorize mask tool
God bless whoever made that. Now if anyone knows how to add shading just as easily please tell me. Fuck doing this shit manually.

>>6764791
I want to bury my face between those cheeks.

[Anonymous No.6765031]

>>6763020
was here early this year and people told me to stop using the shitty purple layer trick to shade and learn how to actually shade and now im really happy with my coloring and such. anyways give crit

[Anonymous No.6765032]

>>6765031
anotehr exmaple

[Anonymous No.6765033]

drew a raven witch, what does 4chan think of my design

[Anonymous No.6765035]

1st image kinda got cropped at the bottom, oh well. heres some expression work i also did

[Anonymous No.6765060]

>>6765031
What purple trick?

[Anonymous No.6765061]

>>6765033
Anon, Im sorry, I thought it was AI at first

[Anonymous No.6765066]

>>6765061
same honestly i feel bad
>>6765060
made an autistic explainpost about it here

[Anonymous No.6765083]

>>6763031
Relatable. I like your colors and shapes. Keep at it.

[Anonymous No.6765087]

>>6765033
Mad jelly. I love the hat, especially the colors.

[Anonymous No.6765089]

>>6764721
I like your dinasour

[Anonymous No.6765090]

>>6765033
the shapes you chose for the cut of the capelet back clash with the rest of the design, too square

[Anonymous No.6765093]

>>6765090
Hmm. I didnt mind it as ut's not a super big deal since its almost always going to be obscured by the hair, but curious to what would you have done instead?

[Anonymous No.6765102]

>>6765066
Ohh I see, thanks anon, I didn't know about it.
I will still shade my own way though

[Anonymous No.6765104]

>>6765102
I don't care

[Anonymous No.6765125]

>>6765033
I don't like the pattern but otherwise It's cool

[Anonymous No.6765127]

What are the best ways to comprehensively self-study art history?

[Anonymous No.6765152]

Tried to draw some cylinders

[Anonymous No.6765154]

Hello beg. New app, new book. Mixed feelings on both so far.

>>6762341
>just
i wouldnt use word JUST when i am essentially bleeding on canvas every day for couple of hours for a whole year now but yeah. I am JUST copying + reading + doing exercises from the art books. so far it works. will it keep working in the future? will i hit diminishing returns soon? nobody knows. one thing is for sure though: i will change my approach when i reach figure drawing
>>6765033
i kneel
>>6765031
appealing nigga
>>6764947
when it turns out right then yes. and i get another dopamine boost when people hit plus buttons on socials
>>6764907
LMAO
>>6764881
looking competent, keep it up
>>6764650
>anon is anime protagonist
i am jealous, i am just a side character
>>6764615
the bananas are trash anon
>>6764544
if you are buying xp-pen tablet, make sure you grab the new series with X3 styluses, they are way better than the old ones
>>6764362
i listen to radio, all kinds from pol debates, to music, to audiobooks
>>6764331
damn she is smug
>>6764298
i usually dont touch zoom at all and simply draw proportionally to the whole composition. aka what you see is what you get.
>>6763987
you can do whatever the fuck you want in crosshatching. All what matters is if the lines together correctly imply forms and or values which yours do
>>6763865
just add boobs on them and suddenly they are cute girls
>>6764247
you go train observation: keys to drawing
>>6765127
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/751681.Oxford_Illustrated_Encyclopedia

[Anonymous No.6765155]

>>6765152
wtf

[Anonymous No.6765160]

>>6765066
>>6765061
fooling around with summoning background.
what makes you think it was AI? i dont use those D:

[Anonymous No.6765175]

>>6765154
Okay you're genuinely never going to make it sorry bro. ANOTHER fucking perspective book? My god

[Anonymous No.6765179]

>>6765093
i'd probably lean into the crisscrossing diamond shape you used for the front cut or some of the feathery curves but i'm no professional

[Anonymous No.6765180]

I'm 25 and have literally never tried to draw in my life outside of paper doodles and elementary school classes, is it too late for me to start? seeing art on twitter makes me want to learn it so I can draw my favorite characters in funny situations

[Anonymous No.6765182]

>>6765180
It's never too late.

[Anonymous No.6765186]

[Anonymous No.6765188]

>>6765180
You've got about 50 years until your fine motor control starts to falter. Gl

[Anonymous No.6765189]

>>6765180
I'm 27 and I just started drawing this year in January after deliberating it for like 10 years. There's literally no such thing as too late. Just start now and start putting mileage in. In 10 years you'll be glad you started 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.6765193]

>>6765182
>>6765188
>>6765189
thanks guys, guess you're right
a couple of questions if you don't mind since i'm pretty new to the whole thing, gonna read the sticky as well but

how does one 'develop' the style they want to draw? for example, if I want to draw kind of video-gamey/anime style drawings, is it still worth using books that teach based off of traditional drawing styles?

and also, should I just invest in a good tablet from the get-go once I've decided this IS a hobby I want to pursue? or just stick to scrapbook paper?

[Anonymous No.6765196]

Got the first likes on my ugly studies on Twitter..I am god. I am invincible.

[Anonymous No.6765204]

>>6765193
>how does one 'develop' the style they want to draw?
Don't think about this at all, it will destroy your confidence. Just worry about understanding the fundamentals and maybe understanding other people's styles, you'll learn what shortcuts/tricks you like and your style will come from there.

>should I just invest in a good tablet from the get-go
Probably not, stick to pencil and paper until you're in a good enough groove that you know you will actually use a tablet. I bought a tablet several years ago thinking it would "get me started" and it did not get me started lmao. I literally use receipts and trash paper from my job and dollar store pencils.

[Anonymous No.6765205]

>>6765204
not the anon ur talking to but ive been having a issue where ive been having like waaaay too many styles like i dont have a signature way to draw heads or eyes or hands and everything..

[Anonymous No.6765207]

>>6765160
>what makes you think it was AI?
NTA but
>pretty anime girl is probably the most used prompt
>quality which is rare and desu not fit for this general

[Anonymous No.6765208]

>>6765205
Then you simply havent drawn enough.

>>6765193
Don't focus too much on the academics, get your simple volumes right and then just start to copy stuff from your favorite artists until you have some good accuracy.

[Anonymous No.6765211]

>>6765208
but ive drawn for like 5 years surely thats enough... do you think i should get medication cuz sometimes my style completely depends on my mood and i feel insane like all day everyday

[Anonymous No.6765213]

>>6765205
list a bunch of artists you like and study their art. by studying you should observe and see how they solve compositional and construction problems. don't simply copy their stuff, but analyze it. become conscious of what you like about them, and incorporate it in your style.

[Anonymous No.6765217]

>>6765211
I don't know anon. Post some of your stuff. People that have a "style" normally developed it probably through having created their own kind of way of drawing a character. But you don't need your own style, just be original in what you draw. I bet you already have your own style and you just don't realize it.

[Anonymous No.6765275]

>>6765180
i'm 25 and have just started four days ago. i'm absolute dogshit (you can see the extent of my skill here >>6761844 ) but what the hell, i'm only doing it in my free time so it's not like i'm sacrificing anything to do this. at worst it's a way to practice discipline and become more diligent
>>6764781
>>6764791
>>6764817
>vandruff's perspective course
as you can see from my drawings i can't really be the judge, but i like his charisma and the 'guy explaining things by way of chalkboard drawings' format is very nostalgic to me so i enjoy it
>merely drawing a circle for construction because thats where the reference showed a circle construction line
sometimes i do that because i get lazy and i just want to get the drawing done, sometimes i do it in hopes of figuring out why it works for loomis and not for me. overall i do try to actually think in 3D and make the construction make sense, it just hasn't clicked yet i guess, so i'll just try to focus more and feel more until it does. thanks a lot for all the advice, anon, i appreciate it

[Anonymous No.6765290]

>>6765154
Thanks for the art history book rec

[Anonymous No.6765312]

>>6765175
kek

[Anonymous No.6765322]

is there a major difference between a screen vs no-screen tablet? is one better to learn on?

[Anonymous No.6765363]

>>6765270
>>6765270
>>6765270

[Anonymous No.6765406]

>>6763370
That's a really cool idea. Thanks for the sketch, I will try to replicate what you did by myself

[Anonymous No.6766426]

I’ve filled out 7-6 pages today, learning from Peter Hans first dynamic Sketching lesson, I also tried out a few 3-D shape constructions and Gestures, still pretty shitty but I am kind of proud of pushing through it.

[Anonymous No.6767318]

>>6763622
Yeah man you have an inate style

[Anonymous No.6767811]

some super casual doodles i did last night during a drawpile

[Anonymous No.6767920]

Tried to do Picasso three times, this was my best shot at it, I am not sure what I am not understanding about examining the lines and angles and only thinking about said lines and angles when I attempt to draw I did take a gander at Nicolaides, The natural way to draw as a attempt to understand but I still don’t get bor apply it to what I draw. I am taking a break after 3 hours of looking up videos and drawing practice but I would like to know what I am getting wrong here.