Why do artists still charge $60 for a full color comm that takes them 20 hours to draw?

[Anonymous No.6752909]

Is this the reason why artists are so angry all the time and always try to kill each other? Because they make shit income from art?
That's like $3 an hour

[Anonymous No.6752914]

I have considered it unviable to do even ai artwork commissions because even though people are requesting it, they are only willing to pay ~50$ at most and that is so far below my senior dev salary it's not worth my time

[Anonymous No.6752923]

No, it's because they're kids.

[Anonymous No.6752928]

show me what do $175 - $200 commissions look like then

[Anonymous No.6752968]

$2/h is pretty good when AI does it for free in 0.001% of the time

[Anonymous No.6753002]

It could be
a) People don't know how much to charge
b) Artists underestimating themselves
c) Artists trying to keep competitive prices
d) Third-worlders from countries where even $100 is like half a year of normal work

That said, sometimes art is more about clout than skill. Magister charges $2500 minimum per piece. And I remember Asanagi at some point had Pixiv Requst, or Skeb, or something, and charged $5000 per drawing.

[Anonymous No.6753007]

>>6753002
Request*

[Anonymous No.6753018]

>>6753002
>5k for a drawing
Jesus Christ man
People actually pay that much for one drawing?

[Anonymous No.6753028]

>>6753018
Well tbf Shadman charges $300 per char despite having 800k followers
You wouldnt be surprised if people paid $18k for one of his works but no, he's charging like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.6753040]

>>6753028
There is all these people that waste so much money on porn but they won't buy themselves some pussy. Good for the artists, but I find it extremely unreasonable.

[Anonymous No.6753043]

>>6753018
Remember, Anon. Sometimes people don't want a simple drawing. They want a drawing from a specific artist.

[Anonymous No.6753052]

>>6753040
>Good for the artists
you think if shadman who lives in fucking switzerland where rent costs $3500 per month for a small apartment can survive on $300 comms where he can make a maximum of 8 a month?
The guy couldnt afford a car for reason despite having 800k followers and known on the internet as the artist who sold out to degenerate shit for money.

[Anonymous No.6753058]

>>6753052
his rent was 0$ while in jail at least

[Anonymous No.6753059]

I got a feeling artists underpaid themselves because of the self-inflicted retardation.
I cant wait until something happens and artists start charging $500 minimum per character and its because of inflation.

[Anonymous No.6753060]

>>6753018
Especially a digital drawing. At least a limited edition high quality pigmented print, that would be reasonable.

[Anonymous No.6753061]

>>6753018
but anon, it's by asanagi :^)

[Anonymous No.6753064]

>>6753059
*not because of

[Anonymous No.6753066]

>>6753043
I know, but 5k? For a drawing?
I would understand a physical painting, that could be even enjoyed by other people and even rise in value over the years, but 5k for a porn comm?
You can't be getting that on the regular. Maybe once, by some guy with too much money to even count just buying it for fun, but i don't really see it being something happening regularly that you can justify having such a price, no matter how popular you are.
>>6753060
Yeah, i agree.
>>6753061
Yeah, the porn guy who does shortstacks. Big whoop.
>>6753052
Yeah, but >shadman

[Anonymous No.6753095]

>>6753028
Since when does Shad even do commissions

[Anonymous No.6753122]

>>6753052
What the fuck are you even saying, the guy hasn't been in Switzerland since he dodged the draft and moved to USA, and again, since when does he take commissions? I just looked through his twitter since he was back and found nothing, he was charging $400 a decade ago and stopped because it wasn't worth it

[Anonymous No.6753128]

>>6753122
yeah he stopped doing it because nobody wanted to comm him at that price point
he still does take comms but only for close friends and people he trusts at $300 per full color draw
go check his discord

[Anonymous No.6753133]

Just look at this fucking shit
Where is this guys from? Sierra leone or something? Not even people from thailand make this shit tier income

[Anonymous No.6753139]

>>6753128
>nobody wanted to comm him at that price point
brutal blackpill
basically ill have to compete at the same level as favela monkeys
its fucking over bros

[Anonymous No.6753143]

>>6753133
Another one of these underselling fucktards
What the fuck? How do people live like this?
This is the fucking reason why even 100k follows and above sell $40 commissions, keeping all artists unhappy and always trying to kill each other.

[Anonymous No.6753151]

>>6753143
>100k follows and above sell $40 commissions
show proofs. i don't believe you nigger

[Anonymous No.6753153]

>>6753018
does he know?

[Anonymous No.6753154]

>>6753133
>>6753143
>live in third world
>able to access global market
>ask third world prices
>drive drown prices for everyone else by being a fucking retard and believing you're going to get more work if you undercut westerners
>now multiply this by every third world artist
The other explanation is that they're minors and fell into the porn meme

[Anonymous No.6753155]

>>6753151
Does anyone has a screencap of that faggot swedish drawfag with 140k followers that sells $45 "color sketches" with "50 slots open XD"

[Anonymous No.6753166]

>>6753128
Actual retard. Stop lying on the internet.

[Anonymous No.6753216]

>>6753128
false information spewed by a street shitting third worlder to normalize low prices fucking over real artists. enjoy your $2 an hour pajeet.

[Anonymous No.6753220]

>>6753143
those drawings look like shit so i'd say you're getting what you pay for.

[Anonymous No.6753392]

I have less than 50k followers and the starting cost to commission me for a thigh-up illustration with background is 1000$. I have no issues getting commissions. It's not hard if you value yourself and your time.

[Anonymous No.6753650]

>>6752928

[Anonymous No.6753890]

>>6753002
magister is still undercutting because at $2500 per illus he still makes less than $50 per hour despite having huge notoriety and big following
the guy should be charging at least $200 per hour for his services

[Anonymous No.6753908]

>>6753890
Well, I did say at a minimum.
From his official site:
>Example rates
>Full illustration, simple background - $2500+ USD
>Full illustration, detailed background - $4000+ USD

For all we know, guy could probably charge more depending on how complicated of a commission he gets.

[Anonymous No.6753915]

>>6753908
Good for him he got the balls to do that and stand his ground with his pricing to improve not only his life but for other artists.

[Anonymous No.6754014]

>>6753028
Please don't remind me of Shad. I still miss him

[Anonymous No.6754022]

>>6752928
I was paid 200 bucks for this

[Anonymous No.6754036]

>>6753002
>$100 is like half a year of normal work
What do people even mean when they say third world? I'm an eastern euro and I consider myself part of the third worlders, but rent alone is 500 euros a month here, do people think Nigerians are stealing their commissions or something?

[Anonymous No.6754046]

>>6754036
i was told third world just meant 'did not participate in world war 1 or world war 2' but it seems im mistaken

[Anonymous No.6754102]

>>6754036
Southeast Asia, population - 700m~, salaries - $300~ per month.

[Anonymous No.6754105]

>>6754046
No, it means they were unaligned during the cold war.
Burgers and allies are first world, Soviets and allies second, and everyone who told them to fuck off third.
So Switzerland was third world for example.
The colloquial usage is first means rich and third means poor without second existing, except "rich" is whatever doesn't hurt the speaker's feefees, so yuropoor countries shift back and forth.

[Anonymous No.6754115]

>children still have to learn in school what makes a 1st/2nd/3rd world country
>it's because of muh war
I wanted to explain it, but i'm not going to bother since i will only get shitposts in response.

[Anonymous No.6754117]

>>6754102
Protip: non-western countries (and to a lesser degree some western ones like Italy) operate on shadow economy where people are paid cash off the books while registered for minimum wage if they are even legally employed instead of just paid in cash and not paying taxes at all.
I've had 3 jobs and my bring home pay was twice what I was paying taxes on every time. The average income is something like $500 and I don't know a single person my age getting less than 1k, half of them getting 2k or more.
House prices aren't an indicator of wealth either, but housing availability and regulations regarding foreign property ownership, look at New Zealand

[Anonymous No.6754119]

>>6754115
It is because of muh war, retard.

[Anonymous No.6754127]

>>6754117
Given how Italy is, especially the south and the fair distrusts of the government, politicians and the threat of the mafia, paying under the table is a necessity.

[Anonymous No.6754143]

>>6754127
It's a chicken and egg situation, less taxes means less money for institutions, which means more people with a chip on their shoulder looking to fleece you for favors

[Anonymous No.6754176]

>>6754143
>its a chicken and egg situation
Eh, not really.
>less taxes means less money for institutions
Sure, but politicians still get around 5k a month+ benefits+reinbursements and guaranteed pension only after 1 day of service.
Those who are higher up, around 10k and the country still doesn't manage to function properly.
This has been a critique towards the government for years.
Income tax is at 40%.
Corruption is just common courtesy, even when they get that much money a month just to get in a room and beat each other over disagreements.

I mean, the government doesn't really create any incentive for the population to trust them nor does it take action to build trust.
North is different because the whole industry and export is there, but the south; it's there or not, it makes no difference, hence you get people that don't really give a shit about taxes.
South went to shit because of corrupt institutions pocketing money and big government doing jack shit about it.
Many young southerners go work in the north, so in the end it works out in terms of tax generation.

It's a lot of factors, but the government really done did fucked up big fucking time and carries a lot of the fault for the current state of that country.

[Anonymous No.6754178]

>>6752909
Because those artists either only took 1-3 hours to do so or they're SEAniggers or spics. Or both.

[Anonymous No.6754186]

>>6753018
Google CC hentai auction and tell me how many 0s you see in your thirdworld currency.

[Anonymous No.6754191]

>>6754046
Rich countries=first world
Poor countries=third world
Second world doesn't really exist anymore since the definition of the term switched.

[Anonymous No.6754200]

Second world is slavs and other mid countries.

[Anonymous No.6754211]

>>6754022
hey I can do that
how do I get paid teach me your ways

[Anonymous No.6754216]

>>6754211
Pick a niche fetish you like to draw and let people into that fetish comm you.

[Anonymous No.6754242]

>>6754022
Yeah but you are not getting 200$ anytime soon. They just felt bad for you because you had shit art.

[Anonymous No.6754245]

>>6753040
Pussy is not even that good. When you have certain sick fetishes an orgasm from sex is not as intense as one coming from fap material from your fetishes. Of course proper stimulation and not just mindless wanking is required.

[Anonymous No.6754247]

>>6754245
HAving irl sex doesn't seem appealing to me now when all I can think about is how much coom I can coat my GF like one of those bukkake doujins.

[Anonymous No.6754252]

>>6754245
If you have that much money for a drawing, i'm pretty sure you have enough money to pursue your fetishes, unless it's guro or loli or some illegal shit, unless you actually have lots of money, unless your fetishes are some meme shit like inflation or furry garbage.

[Anonymous No.6754630]

>>6753151
not the same guy but this one's pretty much the same thing
https://twitter.com/Barleyshake1/status/1678207936248655875

[Anonymous No.6754633]

>>6754036
South Americans and Indians, mostly. They can live on pennies per day because they are cool with sitting in mud and eating literal shit, and have the same access to the internet, cheaply made chinese tablets and pirated apps that you do.

[Anonymous No.6754635]

>>6754630
>300k followers and 40k likes each upload
>$100 per full color base price for comms
No wonder Shadman stopped doing comms

[Anonymous No.6754659]

>>6754630
>>6754635
its fucking over bros. just gonna smash my tablet tomorrow and starting that plumber certificate instead

[Anonymous No.6754664]

>>6754630
this is why unions exist.

[Anonymous No.6754666]

AI "art" and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.6754671]

>>6753066
If you are in furry circles getting comms from popufurs is partially a status thing. People are heavily motivated to show off their status as both having money and rubbing shoulders with the popular artist. It's kinda like the brandname clothes normies pay out the ass for. You could get a purse for $20 if you wanted but people will pay thousands for the right brand of purse.

[Anonymous No.6754719]

>>6754664
Unions only work when the competition is local enough for kneecapping

[Anonymous No.6754776]

>>6754719
I joined a non union competitor and they gave me 4$ more than what the union can negotiate. Locked pensions and benefits that never go into your pocket are a scam in today's generation.

[Anonymous No.6754778]

>>6754776
Those pensions are going to be gone by the time we retire. Forget social security too.

[Anonymous No.6755389]

>>6753018
>>6753018
It doesn't matter if somebody pays it, in fact the point of having prices so prohibitively high is so that you probably won't get comms very often, and when you do it'll be very, very worth it. It makes sense when you don't want to draw stuff you don't give a shit about, but are popular enough that there's a demand. If somebody wants to pay you to draw their smut when you could be making your own stuff, then let them pay through the nose for it.

[Anonymous No.6756855]

>>6753154
>Third worlders undercut first worlders and make their trade unprofitable because they can't compete with Paco and Abdullah who will literally work for peanuts and be glad for it.
>Thanks to the internet they can now do this from across the fucking ocean without even stepping a foot into your country
globalism was a mistake.

>>6754776
Do not EVER put money into a pension plan. You will be lucky to see maybe a quarter of what you put in. Start your own retirement fund.

[Anonymous No.6757535]

>>6754242
Someone's jelly lol.
NTA but I know some of the characters that other anon got commissioned for. The client commissioned me before as well and they'll usually commission 5-8 pics in a batch. You can net some side income too if you try, but oh well you can just stay here and mald.

[Anonymous No.6757539]

>>6754242
I guess there's lotsa people feeling bad for me because I have comms worth of over 2000 bucks in the queue fully paid upfront

[Anonymous No.6757554]

All I need is 1000$ a month
I don't know how to achieve this.

[Anonymous No.6757559]

>>6757554
Fetish art

[Anonymous No.6757564]

>>6757554
bartender in the weekends and marriages and anniversaries. its very hard to find a competent bartender and is very easy to learn. thats my job and i spend the entire week drawing. i make 1200-1700 each month. goodspeed to you anon

[Anonymous No.6757569]

>>6754022
I'm pretty sure I know who commissioned this from you.

[Anonymous No.6757581]

>>6757569
Me too.

[Anonymous No.6758444]

>>6757569
He himself?

[Anonymous No.6758455]

>>6753154
>>6753143
>>6753133
In Russia it's pretty good money's.

[Anonymous No.6758467]

>>6753650
not that anon, but blog?

[Anonymous No.6758663]

Reading this thread makes me feel good knowing that I can actually raise my prices to three digits without consequence, but because i'm still a shy retard in the end, I'm going to keep my $40 price tag.

[Anonymous No.6758670]

>>6758663
Dont do that, raising your prices is a trend set by Allbeatnik and he proudly calls himself the Andy Warhol of the current art generation where all artists follow what he does. You don't want that to happen, do you?

Don't raise your prices.

[Anonymous No.6758912]

>>6758455
no its not?
unless you somehow do 1 commission a day every day

[Anonymous No.6758997]

>>6758444
>>6757581
>>6757569
>Beglets cant comprehend that another anon with that artstyle or quality could net some commissions but their loomis grinding ass couldn't get a single paying customer.
This is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.6759014]

>>6753392
>the starting cost to commission me for a thigh-up illustration with background is 1000$
things that never happend kek

[Anonymous No.6759017]

>>6754022
Evidence that you don't need to be a skilled artist if you draw niche content.
Just catering to desperate people with lots of cash.

[Anonymous No.6759018]

>>6757539
>2000 bucks
Numbers that would impress a kid or a third worlder.

[Anonymous No.6759021]

>>6754036
>I'm an eastern euro and I consider myself part of the third worlders
Why the fuck would you think that?
The communist block is sometimes referred to as 2nd world, but it's mostly a political thing, not necessarily tied to living conditions.
You are a 1st worlder, just like any other EU country.

[Anonymous No.6759035]

>Gets commission
>Prepares invoice and ready to send
>"Alright I'll get paid by X, I'll be sure to pay you by then"
>X arrives, gets paid
>Many such cases

>Alternate scenario
>Commissioner's turn after 2-3 weeks.
>"Ah! I'm sorry, had some emergency to attend to so I couldn't pay in the moment. Maybe next time!"

Hmm. I wonder if most of my commissioner are actually wagies as well. Or probably they've just had allocated this amount for their monthly coomer budgets.

Or they just found someone else to comm while waiting for their queue. That happens too.

[Anonymous No.6759042]

I live in third world and literally only need 300$ a month. Which niche should i do? I don't like furry

[Anonymous No.6759309]

>>6759042
The one you like yourself most. Believe me, you rather get paid drawing stuff you yourself enjoy too. Plus it's major advantage if you are already established artist in that particular niche scene from the start. For example in wrestling/femfighting scene not that many potential commissioners go around asking artists who have never drawn that content if they were interested to draw commission of that femfighting. Instead most go to artists who they have already seen to draw and enjoy drawing that content. Also it helps if the niche is close to other niches, like for example you can easily see femfight artist do BDSM, muscle ladies, wedgies, rough yuri and so on, anything that goes with physical power/status difference.

>>6759018
Is there any particular reason you have obsession on me or are you that special little fanboy of mine? You claimed me getting commissioned for 200 is unbelievable and now that you know my current commission queue's net worth, it's suddenly not enough money made. You need to choose your angle and stick to it, because otherwise it looks like it's more of a personal problem of yours :)

[Anonymous No.6759447]

>>6752909
There's more online artists than there are commissioners.

[Anonymous No.6759482]

>>6753650
blog... please

[Anonymous No.6759503]

>>6754242
He has constant $200 commissions like that because he has found people who are in to that niche and have lots of money. Stay poor and mad, you sound extremely jealous.

[Anonymous No.6759526]

>>6753018
karl kopinski says his commercial work is often like 4k for a finished piece and he's trad

[Anonymous No.6759533]

>>6759042
As what >>6759309 said
At least, things that you are okay with. Don't draw shit that you don't like or are actively repulsed to. Later on you'd just want to get the commission over with because you hate all the tiny little detail you dont give a crap about but the commissioner absolutely want to get right like the wrinkle of the labia or the autistic angle of the fold of his vore plant and tight it should wrap its victim.

Niche stuff, there's like a ton of it. That anon up top posts femdom stuff, wrestling stuff. You can head to Pixiv to see what kind of requests people are taking/paying for around 4000-6000 yen price range and see if any of the niches they're drawing are something that you like to draw and can draw fairly well. There's some ultra-specifc niche that some autismo are into like that Arbokfag.

[Anonymous No.6760050]

>>6754242
There's no fucking way someone throws $200 at some niche fetish artist out of pity

[Anonymous No.6760802]

>>6753018
the simple answer is not really once you set prices that high for anything you're limiting your customers to the top 1% only and that kind of customer knows when to just commission anyone else at a more reasonable price for similar quality