/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6746525]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous thread >>6744366

[Anonymous No.6746533]

>>6746525
these OP pictures are something else

[Anonymous No.6746536]

>>6746525
But HOW?

[Anonymous No.6746537]

posted in last thread but need help on the face any crits or tips?

[Anonymous No.6746539]

>draw objects from around your house
How about you fuck off. I don't wanna go onto a scavenger hunt just to train drawing. Holy crap why is it such a common thing with those /beg/ books. Can i just skip it safely or is it some autismo necessity.

[Anonymous No.6746541]

I need resources on how exactly i'm supposed to be holding my pencil and using my arm while drawing.

[Anonymous No.6746543]

>>6746539
gets the answers anon needs, doesn't like them.

[Anonymous No.6746547]

There is literally no reason to practice 3d shapes after you can already draw them from imagination (this can be learned in 1 day of practice)

[Anonymous No.6746550]

I've done key to drawings and that's quite literally not a book for beginners. I've had no trouble with the hands but got filtered at drawing complex machines.

[Anonymous No.6746552]

>>6746539
You aren't going to make it with this mindset. That isn't even crabbing, it's just an actual fact. Quit being a fucking retard and either draw shit around your house or google a reference. If you can't be fucked to do that you're wasting your time on art.

[Anonymous No.6746554]

I stopped reading keys to drawing because I hate reading. That book needs less psuedo-science and more actual demonstrations of what the fuck its talking about

[Anonymous No.6746556]

>>6746525
How does this read? Do I need to accentuate the form more?

[Anonymous No.6746557]

>>6746556
maybe don't use white lineart on a gray background buddy

[Anonymous No.6746558]

>>6746554
You're confusing this shit with Drawing on the Right Side, anon. Keys to Drawing is not only fucking full of demonstrations, they're intentionally /beg/-tier so they don't intimidate brainlets.

[Anonymous No.6746561]

>>6746552
i live an ascetic lifestyle and the only things that i have around my room are water bottles and anti-balding meds.
Its 11PM, i don't want to rummage through the house to get a tea kettle to draw over it like a retard.
I was feeling pretty optimistic about it up until i actually sat down to practice, idk man all that drawing from life stuff doesn't feel right.

[Anonymous No.6746564]

>>6746561
And i just lost my one and only h2 pencil. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.6746565]

>>6746525
What if aqua was named agua?

[Anonymous No.6746567]

>>6746565
that shit is ugly but still moggs me by a million lightyears

[Anonymous No.6746571]

>>6746525
how does one lean into a style and stop basically emulating the last reference piece you saw?

[Anonymous No.6746572]

Why is drawing from life so fucking hard, i can't wrap my head around none of that. I follow the fucking countour lines and i still lose the depth always. AAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.6746573]

>>6746561
>all that drawing from life stuff doesn't feel right.
draw a teapot from memory with no refererence right now and by the end you'll realize you wasted your time because you're a fucking /beg/ and have no visual library to make it look good enough

[Anonymous No.6746581]

>>6746572
>I follow the fucking countour lines
> and i still lose the depth always
drawing contours is exactly WHY you lose the sense of depth
wtf you talking about

[Anonymous No.6746583]

>>6746573
okay how does that help me with the fact that i can't wrap my head around drawing from life even if i can understand in abstract that its an important exercise.
I have no trouble with just copying stuff and following lines so long as its a drawing but how in the fuck am i supposed to translate that to 3D irl objects. It doesn't translate to that at all.

I feel like i'm just wasting my time trying to draw a contour of my fucking xbox 360 controler that i dug from a closet. I think i'll just go copy bridgman or something less mentally demanding

[Anonymous No.6746584]

>>6746581
>drawing contours is exactly WHY you lose the sense of depth
the fucking book tells me to do it
>T
Look Before You Leap
o get the best results when applying your contour-drawing
technique to three-dimensional objects, look carefully before
drawing, and sustain long lines wherever possible.

I'm literally supposed to create the overall shape with one long line, that's what the directions in the book are. I don't just draw over the object in question if that's what you were thinking i do

[Anonymous No.6746587]

red Pill me on hogarth

[Anonymous No.6746588]

>Digest the edge in
front of you; don’t just glance and go
What the FUCK does that even mean
least helfpul /beg/ book i've been through yet and i've been stuck in this hellhole for tow years

[Anonymous No.6746592]

>>6746537
looks okay to me, the ear is a bit big but nothing too off.

[Anonymous No.6746596]

>>6746588
>>6746584
>>6746583
this is stupid. Isn't there any other exercise that will not make me mad.
I want to learn but i get filtered by drawing from life. Fuck this

[Anonymous No.6746597]

posting again cause thread ded
finding it strangely hard to figure out a "style" if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.6746600]

Broke my only good h2 pencil because drawing from lifem ade me too mad. I give up. See you /ic/ hopefully i will not be back.

[Anonymous No.6746603]

>>6746584
i dont know what book you are reading, and i dont know where on the shizo/crab <-> gmi spectrum you fall...
it sounds like the book is right now trying to teach you to look carefully at your subject, it is trying to discourage you from chicken-scratching and absentmindedly shit out drawings without focus
i imagine it talks about 3d objects in the context of contour drawings in order to demonstrate to you that we often interpret 3d objects in an "idealised" way, not actually cogniscent of how it looks precisely.
this seems to be the vaccination against symbol drawing that the book is trying to give you

anyways, there is little specific advice / clarification anyone can give you without seeing your drawings. and lest you be mistaken for one of the resident shizos, you should literally pyw

[Anonymous No.6746604]

>>6746537
inconsistent perspective, the lips and nose look like they are profile, the eye is slightly 3d, the brow is even more 3d and it looks weird because if the brow looks like that then you should be able to see the other cheek. ear is too low as the head is tilted forward. the skull looks too small, slight cutoff skull error

[Anonymous No.6746605]

>>6746596
Look anon, I get it. Somebody tells you to draw stupid shit around the house and you wonder why you'd ever want to learn how to do that because you don't want to draw boring shit. Guess what? Nobody but fucking autists actually enjoys drawing stupid bowls of fruit or whatever. People tell you to do it so you can level up your eyes.

>I have no trouble with just copying stuff and following lines so long as its a drawing but how in the fuck am i supposed to translate that to 3D irl objects. It doesn't translate to that at all.

This is exactly what drawing from life is supposed to teach you. How to translate a 3D object into 2D and have it not look like shit. You're not supposed to draw from life knowing how to do that, that's what it teaches you.

[Anonymous No.6746609]

>>6746603
>i dont know what book you are reading,
Drawing for the Utter and Complete beginner. Page 40.
Everything i did with it before was just upside down copying.
>it sounds like the book is right now trying to teach you to look carefully at your subject,
Wouldn't figure out that's what i'm supposed to do when i draw them, gee. Could not get that idea on my own even in a million years.
>you should literally pyw
None because i keep getting too mad to continue two lines in. I can't complete the outline. I have rage induced adrenaline in my system. My heartrate is heightened.

[Anonymous No.6746611]

wasted thirty minutes and have nothing to show for it. My other altenratives are unironically gooning and or family guy clips so nothing of value was lost either way.

[Anonymous No.6746612]

once again i respond to a
>no image
>text only
post - and it turns out to be a shizo

[Anonymous No.6746613]

>>6746525
At least 4 of those posts are from me

[Anonymous No.6746614]

>>6746612
drawing a water bottle rn, will post shortly but its gonna be shit.
My current process is
>Draw a line
>Looks shit
>Furiously scribble over it to the point where i need to resharpen my pencil
>Repeat
Spent thirty minutes doing just that. Ngmi

[Anonymous No.6746616]

>>6746557
the shapes. the lineart can be any color.

[Anonymous No.6746621]

perfect is the enemy of the good. I will half-ass what annoys me and never touch it again afterwards.

[Anonymous No.6746652]

I thought there was no way I could ever become even a shitty meme artist until I started regularly lurking these threads. But some of you are such great examples of ngmi retards, it's given me confidence I can actually do it.

So thank you, perma-/beg/s. You're an actual inspiration.

[Anonymous No.6746658]

>>6746652
i don't want to be a permabeg though. I want to learn. Its not my fault i get filtered by drawing from life.

[Anonymous No.6746659]

>>6746616
Analyzing your Lineart is going to be hard when it’s almost the same color as the background. If you don’t even know the basics of contrast what are you doing drawing overlapping forms?

[Anonymous No.6746660]

Alright i got over myself. I can do it but its really annoying still. How long do i spend on drawing from life. Is it really crucial, do i gotta do it for hours?

[Anonymous No.6746668]

>>6746659
i fixed it, it was easier on my eyes last night

[Anonymous No.6746673]

>>6746658
Sorry, man. This one really is on you. If your desire to learn ends at the first thing you aren't totally hyped about learning, you don't want it badly enough.

>>6746660
There is no part of art you're supposed to grind endlessly without doing anything else. Everything is connected. Life drawing trains your eyes, which makes you better at referencing and copying, which makes it easier to learn everything else because you can actually study shit. It also teaches you the fundies of light and shadow in the most unbiased way possible.

Just fucking do it. It's good for you. Stop acting like a child refusing to eat vegetables.

[Anonymous No.6746677]

>>6746613
>only 4

try making it 10 and then the entire thread, you need a winner mentality to beat the matrix my G.

Can I just study random photos on the internet all day
where do I get the most japanese brushes
redpill me on contrapoints or whatever it sounds kinda gay, do I really need it for all femboys or just the italian ones
why are horses evil
how many prostitutes should I hire every week
what's the best book to sleep on so I can learn by osmosis
how many dick pics do I need to send to a Vtuber before her community manager retweets my fanart
should I stab myself with my HB pencil to give it part of my soul
at which page of Hogarth's dynamic folds and drapery do I actually learn about national socialism and should I stop masturbating
is it really 5 minutes of practice a day if I spend 10 more thinking about it and 80 shitposting on Twitter

[Anonymous No.6746678]

>>6746565
is she like 4 feet tall or something

[Anonymous No.6746682]

>>6746673
>Just fucking do it. It's good for you. Stop acting like a child refusing to eat vegetables.
Alright. I'll do it for the next hour and then prepare some actual objects for tomorrow. Sorry about my spergout epsisode. I tend to get like that when i encounter even the tiniest of roadblocks. I am not a very good learner.

[Anonymous No.6746689]

>>6746537
looks nice anon, you are in the process of graduating from symbol drawing to understanding the forms of the face
obviously the ear is unfinished and the skull too small, also it feels that the head is turned not 100% to profile view, yet you draw the facial features as if it was a perfect profile view

>>6746556
difficult to say whether you understood the form or just got lucky / copied a ref very well
so not bad, not great

>>6746597
keep drawing and more and more of your personality is going to bleed into your art. i think your stuff already has some personal quality so whatever got you this far, keep doing it anon.
if you do choose to try and develop your style consciously, break it down into fundamental parts. for example figure out how you draw/sketch and what do you want it to look like? then, what are the different styles of coloring and shading that are possible to build on your chosen drawing style, experiment and choose. also disconnected from that, finished pictures can have a personal style solely based on the presentation. how do you crop finished pictures? what color of linework do you use? what filters / textures / effects do you apply at the end? what background color do you use? etc
anyways, nice art anon

[Anonymous No.6746690]

>>6746682
its really annoying to do though

[Anonymous No.6746711]

>>6746690
If you're the anon who broke his pencil because he was so frustrated life drawing, you need to learn what frustration when learning actually is. It's your brain hitting the wall of its current knowledge and throwing a fit that it can't solve the current issue. If you can set aside the annoyance and focus on getting over the hurdle, your brain will latch onto the solution, because it was important enough for you to not be frustrated back into the status quo. It takes a lot of mental energy to learn, and the brain can be pretty lazy sometimes.

You'll feel this resistance to learning showing up in the form of frustration whenever you try to learn something that isn't constantly fooling your brain with a dopamine drip feed like a video game. Getting over it is the only way to make it.

[Anonymous No.6746716]

>>6745634
Thanks fren :)
>>6745806
>>6745808
Actually — and this is gonna piss some people off lol, but it should give you some hope — no. I don’t really draw rocks. It’s just construction. Among other things, I did drawabox to lesson 4 like two years ago and then stopped drawing because adhd. Then this month I decided to pick it back up again because adhd.

I did the interlocking forms and 250 boxes and organic forms and all the meme stuff. That’s all just assembling the toolkit and materials for you to build art out of. But then I did the actual lessons where you try to use the shit you’ve been grinding to construct actual drawings. You’re not just copying what you see graphically, you’re trying to recreate it with forms.

Like, the big rock there is basically a big, melty box with a chunk missing. Then all the cracks are just forms subtracted from the big melty box. I looked at the reference to get an idea of the placement and form of those cracks. Then the smaller details are just smaller forms built into and out of the big melty box. I notice that they’ve kinda got a pattern of wrapping around the form of the big melty box, so they’re basically contour lines.

And the boulders and stuff are just fucked up boxes and cylinders. You look at the ref and go “all right that’s kinda like a couple wedges laying together, this is like an oblong disk,” etc. You’re not drawing rocks, you draw forms you can disguise as rocks. Then the shading is just “all right here’s where the light looks like it is/would be on this melty box.” It’s just a tool to describe the form, like contour lines. The only bit of non-construction, atelier-type, observation stuff I did was just notice that the light on the rock has a gradient from top to bottom. It’s all just construction. You draw the stuff you’re drawing like you do the forms you grind. You don’t have to do DAB. It can be ArtWOD or Dynamic Sketching or whatever. Or random YouTube videos.

[Anonymous No.6746722]

Why is this so hard man especially the lips.

I tried reconstructing this with the loomis method but than just copied without it instead. I'm doomed

[Anonymous No.6746725]

>>6746722
Symbol drawing, her facial features are very flat. practice basic 3d shapes more

[Anonymous No.6746726]

>>6746711
>You'll feel this resistance to learning showing up in the form of frustration whenever you try to learn something that isn't constantly fooling your brain with a dopamine drip feed like a video game. Getting over it is the only way to make it.
I have that whenever i learn anything. Math, programming, art, etc.
I dropped a lot of hobbies/interests over the years just because i'm not very good at learning and trying to absorb new information fills me with fury.
I'll try to get past that cause i would indeed very much so like to get good one of these days and i don't really have a better alternative for what to do in my free time either way.

I can at least promise not to shit up threads again.

[Anonymous No.6746728]

>>6746725
I practice cubes and cylinders alot, yet I can't feel it on something like a lip or a nose.

[Anonymous No.6746731]

I simply dont need reference. A bone is a bone is a bone. This exact creature is inside you right now

[Anonymous No.6746732]

DRAW THIS

[Anonymous No.6746735]

>>6746728
Then I suggest you practice only lips, noses, eyes, etc instead of the entire face. Also you can never practice enough with basic shapes so do that in between.

[Anonymous No.6746738]

>>6746722
>>6746735
Tried to fix it a little

[Anonymous No.6746751]

>>6746689


>>6746722
>>6746728
>I practice cubes and cylinders alot, yet I can't feel it on something like a lip or a nose
drawing cubes and cylinders wont help
it helps you get started in understanding 3d forms in space, but when it comes to organic chapes ie the face, you have to deconstruct it into the actual shapes that the face is made out of
everyone knows how to approximate the head with a big egg shape, now push the concept further
approximate the forehead with a big rounded rectangle shape, and the lower face with a big wedge
approximate the nose with a slanted pyramid, the mouth with a sphere that pokes out of the lower-face-wedge thus forming the area around the lips,
approximate the lips with multiple small blobs that lie under some tissue that is stretched around them etc
precise geometric shapes are not the way to go

[Anonymous No.6746757]

>>6746751
man feeling the form is hard, thanks

[Anonymous No.6746758]

>>6746732
60 seconds to look and 120 seconds to draw, not perfect tbqh

[Anonymous No.6746760]

>>6746751
how do I make my gestures more like yours

[Anonymous No.6746762]

[Anonymous No.6746768]

I will start drawing tomorrow asap from the morning till dawn. I will not get filtered by drawing from life. I can do this.

[Anonymous No.6746772]

>>6746597
Look at things you like, emulate those things. Literally just copy things you like. Looking at your art there, your more stylized art’s rendering is very streaky, wich I’m confused by because the ass and the nerd guy are rendered fine. Personally though, I find the mouths and noses very unappealing, and you draw your eyes way to close together and the whites of the eyes are like pure white which doesn’t work. Also stop drawing hair as strands, focus on large shapes. IMO the neck beard is the best looking thing on the page and shows a lot of potential if you continue rendering like that. Also makimas pants look like shit because you are trying too hard to make her look thick and it just doesn’t work.

[Anonymous No.6746779]

>>6746726
Don't be like that anon, this thread is for all beginners. You can use the thread all you like, just try to have a more positive mindset about what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.6746785]

>>6746539

Sure just skip it, close the book and go do something else because if you're screeching about this then you're gonna have a tough time when you realise that developing your skill in this might just take a little bit of fucking work on your part.

[Anonymous No.6746789]

>>6746726
Dopamine fast. And also, doing something difficult is supposed to not be rewarding but the expectation in the back of your head is what get's you to do it if you know what I mean. Also no dopamine releasing activities before learning, and no dopamine releasing activities after learning.

[Anonymous No.6746795]

Anons, what is your impression about this drawing?

>>6746760
Idk bro Im just a fellow beg but I see potential, keep filling the pages and post here

>>6746762
Not a beg, are you?

[Anonymous No.6746806]

>>6746760
working backwards:
you need a lot of practice / experience / mileage (approaching the human in terms of organic 3d shapes makes you loose a lot of precision - 2d measurements, distances, angles, landmarks etc are more difficult to get right in this approach)

before that you need to be able to consciously flip the switch to "feel the form" in your mind. unlike mileage which is like a muscle you build and maintain, this "feeling the form" mental switch is at full effect once you know how to willingly turn it on

before that you need to experience what it feels like to "feel the form" - usually by just drawing and stumbling into that mental state by accident.

to facilitate that i would suggest you use subjects that are easier and more forgiving than the human form. use pictures of whales for example.

approximate the whale, first very roughly and then ever more precisely with organic shapes (whales are basically 3 or 4 of those shapes anyways, that makes it easier for beginners to see them)

while doing so, draw those shapes as if you are a giant who submerged your head under water, and your hand and your pen is not drawing a simple ellipse, rather imagine your pen following the 3d form of the whale. going along its forms, into the screen/tablet/space and coming back at you again. only the muscles that would cause you to lift your pen up from the tablet are disabled and your hand stays on the tablet.

do a couple of these whale exercises, hopefully you notice this distinct mentality of feeling the form, and building ontop of that you will become better at turning on that switch, and then approach the human figure in this flowy-organic way of thinking

>>6746795
if the black of the "outlines" were some dark color, maybe dark red or dark violet, or dark brown, i think i would like it more. anyways its pretty

[Anonymous No.6746807]

>>6746795
Here is a quick 1.1 version, colors got messed up but proportions satisfy me more

[Anonymous No.6746814]

>>6746806
Interesting, thank you anon I will draw some whales now.

[Anonymous No.6746836]

>drawabox reviewer says I suck and didn't follow instructions
Feels bad, I promise I'm trying

[Anonymous No.6746845]

>>6746836
You're doing an exercise made by a guy that said he has aphantasia

[Anonymous No.6746853]

will looking at manga for the art and looking at art help me learn when relaxing?

[Anonymous No.6746861]

>>6746853
Im a beg but why not just read it for enjoyment primarily? Plenty of very interesting stuff out there. You just dont want to end up feeling like "Fuck art, its on my mind 24/7, i wanna take a break"

[Anonymous No.6746862]

>>6746732

[Anonymous No.6746867]

>>6746845
The exercise in question is basically ripped from Peter Han, it's a Vilppu style "feel the form" thing

[Anonymous No.6746871]

>>6746861
so the answer is yes that's a good idea?

[Anonymous No.6746882]

>>6746722
I'm a /beg/ myself but your reference was really boring, maybe pick a face with stronger facial features so the shapes are easier to recognize?

[Anonymous No.6746883]

>>6746722
Try drawing Henry Cavill's face or something. Strong features.

[Anonymous No.6746895]

day 6
just a quick one today, got too busy with /justdrawing/

>>6746525
nice op pic as always

[Anonymous No.6746902]

>>6746525
>My goal is to draw furry porn and make 100k on patreon.
I love /beg/. This place helps dreamers.

[Anonymous No.6746904]

>>6746882
loomis will fix all the massive problems with this. look up bradwynn jones channel. does combo of loomis and reilly method from construction to rendering. archives even have literal loomis plates where he explains how you go from the 'draw a circle, now draw a face' phase. explains relative measuring and angles (example with your photo is the bottom of the ear - trace across to the nose in reference and then yours; yours is below the nose when reference its above the nostril).

[Anonymous No.6746905]

>>6746762
If you had not put it in the filename, I would never have guessed it

[Anonymous No.6746918]

I picked up drawing to draw muscular women all day

Now I've been reading and drawing and now I see the world differentlu
I see the language of shapes and lines everywhere

[Anonymous No.6746920]

>sketch with thin brush thinking about irl pencil sketching
>turns out bad
>hear about people using thicker brushes for sketching
>turns out better, stick with it for a long time
>drawings start to turn out bad
>switch to thin brush again
>turns out better than thicker brush now
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.6746960]

Ugh. I think i will die before actually learning how to do this. As far as i am concerned this must be the difference between beg and int.

>>6746920
shame you didnt pyw so we could see whats up
>>6746836
>didnt pyw his exercise
>is doing drawabox despite everybody warning them about it
hopeless
>>6746807
looks like leaves / plants in a blender or tornado. if it wasnt so blurry it would be pretty cool
>>6746762
when will you start rendering? Its is very nice
>>6746731
i have 5 fingers though
>>6746660
the book i am doing right now accidentally answered you, check pic related bottom middle
>>6746652
does this mean you will start drawing and PYW next time? :-O
>>6746597
i kinda already see a style, all your faces are very consistent, same for color usage. the better question is if you are happy with it?
>>6746565
background suggests you need perspective made easy, the overall lack of value range suggests you need keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.6746971]

my outlines start to look bad the more complex something gets. I've gotta figure out how to handle that

[Anonymous No.6746978]

[Anonymous No.6746979]

>>6746978

[Anonymous No.6746980]

>>6746979

[Anonymous No.6746982]

>>6746980

[Anonymous No.6746983]

>>6746960
>does this mean you will start drawing and PYW next time? :-O

Sure, but I'm not posting my shitty Keys to Drawing exercises. I'm just doing them, not complaining about how bad they are.

[Anonymous No.6746984]

Bros I'm ngmi

[Anonymous No.6746986]

>>6746980
Wtf I didnt know kjg died. I wanted to post inappropriate comments about your daughter in that drawing, but now I'm just sad :(
Why did he die? Wikipedia says it was a heart attack... anybody know if he got the vaxx?

[Anonymous No.6746989]

Painted a cool dude. Turned out real fuzzy though.

>>6746984
wagmi brother

[Anonymous No.6746990]

posting here because a certain imageboard is down

[Anonymous No.6746991]

>>6746980
very nice how long have you been drawing anon?

[Anonymous No.6746992]

>>6746986
>man who works 20 hours a day while constantly flying around the world, giving lectures, and eating like shit dies from a heart attack in his late-40s
>hurr durr must've been the vaxx

[Anonymous No.6746995]

>>6746992
so?... was it?

[Anonymous No.6747002]

[Anonymous No.6747026]

One day..one day I will feel it..

[Anonymous No.6747033]

>>6746689
>>6746751
>>6746806

studying animu. subtle poses are challenging

>>6746978
>>6746979
>>6746980
>>6746982
drawing in pen with no safeguard for making mistakes takes balls
very nice anon

>>6747002
>pov you dropped a plate intentionally while washing the dishes so now mommy has to punish you

>>6747026
ganbatte anon
replace those cylinders and tubes with reference copies of snakes
and replace those funky cubes with pipes with crab studies
replace the cones with tentacle studies from hentai

[Anonymous No.6747044]

what up begbros

[Anonymous No.6747045]

>watching amateur porn artist draw
>doesnt use a reference for anything except the character request
>sets up basic lines showing where the body parts go(barely even a gesture) then contour draws everything until its finished
Bros. Is memorizing anatomy the key to be able to do this?

[Anonymous No.6747047]

>>6747045
No
t. memorized anatomy for class but has a terrible sense of form

[Anonymous No.6747057]

>>6747045
99% don't do this.

[Anonymous No.6747064]

>>6747045
No artist memorizes anatomy, that's doctor shit. Just draw it enough until you've got the general shapes in your visual library.

[Anonymous No.6747092]

[Anonymous No.6747093]

>>6747033
thx anon. I read that if you use pen alot you tend to make less mistakes over time and even if you did there are clever ways to mask the mistake. I have 28 pages back to back on the sketchbook left I'll probably fill it up with kjg studies and anime girls.

[Anonymous No.6747095]

>>6747045
after drawing the same subject countless times it gets easier and easier to draw it from memory, I tried to draw a cat without ever having drawn one before and it turned out to be poop

[Anonymous No.6747192]

>>6746806
Nta, but I drew some whales

[Anonymous No.6747198]

>>6746978
>>6746979
>>6746980
>>6746982
Nice. Very nice.
>>6747026
You’re getting there. Keep going!
>>6747095
I enjoy the hips of the girl in the string tie panties

[Anonymous No.6747220]

>>6747192
>be me
>give advice on how to improve
>somebody takes my advice
>draws better than me
fuck i should not help my competition and do even more studies myself lel
now ugh... now that you feel the form perhaps you uhm you should draw some, you know, b-boo i mean breasts and cute butts and fertile hips and squishy thighs and...

seriously though those look awesome anon

[Anonymous No.6747226]

>>6747192
>drew some whales
>pointy nose
>vertical fin
That one is a shark you lying piece of human garbage kys ngmi

[Anonymous No.6747232]

Theres so fucking much to learn anons I dont think I have what it takes to be an artist.
Everything is interesting to me, one moment I want to grind perspective, and the very next moment I just want to study gestures. The day after that I become obsessed with anatomy, and then I just want to go for a painterly style and forget completely about drawing.

WHAT THE FYCK, how am I supposed to focus on a single thing when everything is so interesting

[Anonymous No.6747236]

>>6747232
simply do not do take the action that is making you fail

[Anonymous No.6747244]

>>6747236
I dont think I understand what youre trying to tell me

[Anonymous No.6747249]

>>6747220
>draws better than me
lmao not even close. You're red blob anon, right? Your figures are really good.
>b-boo i mean breasts
I'm the anon that tried grinding boobs but my heart wasn't in it (pic related)
>cute butts and fertile hips and squishy thighs
YES. And fat, meaty pussies in too-tight panties. And maybe robots or whatever idk.

Thank you for the praise, it means a lot. My anatomy, heads/faces, and hands are really not anywhere near your level though.

>>6747226
Kek, I was wondering if anybody would notice. But whale sharks are at least 50% whale. It’s in their name.
>>6747232
Just have fun. That’s honestly more important than gitting gud in my opinion. I’ll recommend that you focus on drawing first, at least enough to develop the ability to feel the form and make construction work for you. Construction skills are so OP. That’s the 20% of drawing skills that give you 80% of the results. Painting is just a way describing form with value and color instead of line, and you can’t describe what you don’t understand.
>I dont think I have what it takes to be an artist.
You have the enthusiasm and the drive to learn. GMI

[Anonymous No.6747253]

>>6747092
Why does Mr.Miyazaki look so impish? Also yaoi hands

[Anonymous No.6747258]

I think I sucked the soul out of it

[Anonymous No.6747287]

[Anonymous No.6747288]

>>6746902
BASED

god I wish /ic/ers were as brave as that man, bunch of posers here

[Anonymous No.6747291]

>>6747258
doesn't matter, you clearly put effort into it and that's what counts

[Anonymous No.6747296]

Does this face study look okay? It took 45 minutes. I am trying to learn faces and honestly I have a hard time conceptualizing the form and incorporating shadows to try to make it look convincing. Symmetry is always a struggle for me too.
Feedback on the brushwork and color is welcome too... I still don't have it down what kind of brushes I should use for different materials.

[Anonymous No.6747299]

>>6747296
You made eyes bigger, but it still looks better than what 95% of beg can make, especially in 45 minutes.

[Anonymous No.6747325]

>>6746525
I tried using oil as reference, I'll try photo next time I guess

[Anonymous No.6747356]

>>6746979
>>6746980
>>6746982
beautiful drawings, the picture of your wife driving with your kids sleeping is absolutely lovely. However, I can't help but feel like you draw these sexy chicks in front of your family, and your wife thinks "man, I wish he grew up already, he's a father for fucks sake" while still loving you.

[Anonymous No.6747366]

[Anonymous No.6747457]

Please tell me what to draw.
Im /prebeg/ - low /beg/

[Anonymous No.6747475]

>>6747457
Your shoes

[Anonymous No.6747478]

>>6747475
yawn

[Anonymous No.6747485]

>>6747287
nice sense of 3D
>>6747325
yours looks really nice

[Anonymous No.6747490]

>>6747457
Look at the OP pic, silly

[Anonymous No.6747493]

calf studies

[Anonymous No.6747498]

>>6747475
I dont wear shoes inside the house
>>6747490
I dont wanna.

[Anonymous No.6747501]

>>6747457
The device you are currently using to post on 4chan

[Anonymous No.6747532]

>>6747064
most artists know anatomy. you literally take courses on it if you are classically trained. watch any live stream of even capeshit comic artists or random youtube people and youll see them mentioning random shit like zygomatic arches or using actual names for parts like scapula.

[Anonymous No.6747533]

Is having your art called soul a backhanded compliment?

[Anonymous No.6747552]

Gesture is confusing

[Anonymous No.6747555]

Does anyone here draw with a grid? I don't mean a perspective grid I mean a grid of squares. Does it help with proportions

[herb No.6747567]

>>6747555
depends on what are your goals with art. nothing wrong with drawing with a grid to get the proportions down. a great little way to start seeing shapes instead of symbols and has been used as a method to transfer preliminary sketches to canvas for ages.

the problem with the grid method is reliance on a reference you are directly copying. if you ever want to draw something that does not exist, you cannot really rely on a grid.

[Anonymous No.6747568]

>>6747555
depends on what are your goals with art. nothing wrong with drawing with a grid to get the proportions down. a great little way to start seeing shapes instead of symbols and has been used as a method to transfer preliminary sketches to canvas for ages.

the problem with the grid method is reliance on a reference you are directly copying. if you ever want to draw something that does not exist, you cannot really rely on a grid.

[Anonymous No.6747575]

>>6747555
Grid is mostly a crutch used by trad painters and other photocopiers

[Anonymous No.6747577]

>>6746732

[Anonymous No.6747582]

Literally everyone here can draw better than me, it's fucking over.

[Anonymous No.6747583]

>>6747582
No I cannot.
Not to speak about painting, im literally, utterly and absolutely incapable of digital painting.

[Anonymous No.6747584]

>>6747002
If I may ask wtf is the theme 2 ur grind?

[Anonymous No.6747587]

>>6747555
helpful as a complete beginner to train your observation and accuracy skills, but can become a crutch if you are not careful. use them like training wheels and make sure you ditch them before you become too reliant on them. fine for transferring drawings though.

[Anonymous No.6747590]

Still having a lot of trouble with line convergence

[Anonymous No.6747594]

>>6747568
>>6747587
thanks for responding. And no I'm not really interested in being a photocopier I kinda just want to train my brain to recognize correct proportions after a year of doing this. Like for instance I already know the distance from your chin to your nipples to you nipples is head length (excluding perspective) but it would be nice if I didn't have to measure shit like that and just intuitively know that its right because it can be time consuming to measure

[Anonymous No.6747602]

Took a break from Loomis, and I probably shouldnt have

[Anonymous No.6747645]

[Anonymous No.6747654]

>>6746525
didnt know pawell was making the op threads now, good on you keys shill.
now recommend a good book for a change

[Anonymous No.6747658]

>>6746614
>draw a line
>looks shit
Try restating it br0. Keys to drawing wins again

[Anonymous No.6747670]

>>6747582
do you draw anything other than boxes
if so you are better than me
congratulations

[Anonymous No.6747679]

Even though my art still isn’t very good, it’s nice to see improvement. I’m getting better very, very slowly, but improvements are there, when I’m willing to put in the effort. People still point out my flaws, but the latest piece I posted didn’t point out one that I had always had trouble with, so that’s a good feeling.

[Anonymous No.6747686]

What are some good 100% opacity brushes for procreate?
should I make a 100% opacity hard round brush or...?

[Anonymous No.6747688]

i can't stop chicken scratching lol. my hand acts by its own impulses

[Anonymous No.6747695]

Is the rinotuna course worth it and should I watch it as a medium to low beg?

[Anonymous No.6747698]

[Anonymous No.6747718]

i did 2 point this time

[Anonymous No.6747728]

>>6747584
Yes?

[Anonymous No.6747733]

>>6747718
nigga where is your grid? this is pointless without a grid

[Anonymous No.6747735]

you WILL draw 300 potato heads and you WILL have FUN
Loomis give me strength...

[Anonymous No.6747745]

>>6747645
Good job. The arm to her left could be better, and the cleft of venus needs attention. The shadow on the right inner thigh makes her adductors look flat or concave. But besides those nit-picks, this is overall a VERY nice figure. The anatomy is believable, it's flowy and gestural without being stiff, and she looks fit without looking hard or masculine. I'dfeelherformsifyouknowwhatImean/10
>>6747577
Very nice.
>>6747493
Good job. Something seems a little off with the woman's left thigh. It reads to me like it's just shorter and fatter rather than foreshortening and going into perspective. Everything else is great.
>>6747366
Good job!
>>6747325
The butter should stand out more from the waffle. Otherwise, though, it looks delicious! Good job!
>>6747296
Good job. You could maybe push your values a little more.
>>6747287
Nice.
>>6747258
No, it's still got soul. At least it had a soul to begin with. Look at the differences between the two like one of those "spot the difference!" games. Decide which changes you like and which you don't.
>>6747590
I declare you're ready to move on from exclusively grinding basic forms. none of your cross-contour lines flatten the form, and the ellipses on the ends of your cylinders have the right basic shape and size. It's time to apply that basic ability to feel the form to constructing other things, like people, plants, or vehicles. I can see you kind of started to do that with the three boxes in the middle of the page. Good! Keep going! If you think that's too big a step for you right now, or like the stakes are too high, then try to grind organic forms instead of just boxes. (Look up peter han or dynamic sketching or even draw a box for organic form exercises.)
>>6747698
Great sketch, your facial expressions and gesture are very lively. More than that, your little sketch tells a story. Good job!
>>6747718
You're ready to evolve. I can feel it! Keep going!

I'm proud of (and inspired by) all of you. Good job, Anons!

[Anonymous No.6747751]

>>6747735
My guy has never heard of crosshatching

[Anonymous No.6747764]

Slowly going through Steve Huston's book -- just got to structure. I intend to go through and more closely study his examples tomorrow, but I had a tough time trying to conceive of this pose earlier today. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.6747770]

I have no clue what I'm doing
1/3

[Anonymous No.6747771]

>>6747770

[Anonymous No.6747774]

>>6747771
I mean I'm practicing pencil control and some perspective, trying to feel the form but I feel like I'm wandering, doing random shit that doesn't really help me inprove

[Anonymous No.6747797]

>>6747745
>Good job. The arm to her left could be better, and the cleft of venus needs attention. The shadow on the right inner thigh makes her adductors look flat or concave. But besides those nit-picks, this is overall a VERY nice figure. The anatomy is believable, it's flowy and gestural without being stiff, and she looks fit without looking hard or masculine. I'dfeelherformsifyouknowwhatImean/10
Thanks for the feedback!
I was just kinda winging it with the render without really knowing what makes it flat or not I just know my shapes for anatomy a bit.
Gonna do some more morpho so that should help with the correct shapes.
>this is overall a VERY nice figure
:DDDD
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.6747806]

What's the most idiot-proof book or course, like "Figure Drawin for Complete and Utter Retards"? Don't say Hampton or Bridgman, because they mindbreak my beg self.

[Anonymous No.6747811]

>>6747764
Here's how I visualize the pose. Egg for ribcage, box for pelvis, cylinders for neck, legs, etc.

[Anonymous No.6747840]

[Anonymous No.6747841]

>>6747811
Lovely, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6747844]

I saw this image in another thread and redrew it. what do you think?
ref >>6747819

[Anonymous No.6747850]

>>6747733
how and why would i draw a grid all i know is how to draw boxes in space

[Anonymous No.6747869]

>>6747844
nice

[Anonymous No.6747876]

>>6747806
Either Glenn Vilppu or Steve Huston. I personally mesh better with Vilppu’s style, he gives you a structured process to follow, but Huston’s is more simple/straightforward in some respects. (He initially conceptualizes the whole torso as a tube. His gesture is less abstract.) Both are excellent, both do the same thing, both get you to the same place. It really comes down to whether you personally like their teaching styles. But I recommend either of those two.

[Anonymous No.6747885]

>>6746525
First drawing. I tried to sketch my hand using the tablet. I played with tracing from Bridgman the first few days, but read in the sticky that it's a bad idea. I think I'll keep sketching until I'm comfortable on tablet then move to books. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6747888]

>>6747249
>lmao not even close. You're red blob anon, right? Your figures are really good.
thank you! but that comes down to mileage - whereas your whales show that you have the patience to do very precise drawings. dont underestimate the advantage which is patience and ability to focus for a long time especially considering your competition in the modern day art world is becoming more and more zoomer-brained for lack of a better term lol

>>6747258
at least your sketch had soul! a lot of artists struggle with that even with more experience under their belts. you are on a good path

>>6747296
>Does this face study look okay? It took 45 minutes.
for 45 minutes this looks awesome
>I have a hard time conceptualizing the form and incorporating shadows to try to make it look convincing.
if you want the nuclear option for painting convincing light and shadow, practice on plain white sculptures. they are nothing but light and shadow and their very precise gradients.
>Symmetry is always a struggle for me too.
a frontal portrait is the most difficult challenge within the most difficult subject (face) so congrats anon, your comfort zone has basically reached the outer most sphere of anatomy struggle. symmetry is always difficult on organic subjects and yours actually looks pretty good.
>Feedback on the brushwork and color is welcome too
you could use bigger brushes in some areas, and create edges and transitions less by erasing / smudging / reworking and instead by overlaying one brushstroke consciously over another to create whatever transition is needed.
also your values and colors could be pushed more, especially the distinction between warm and cold
>brushes for different materials
i think you are doing a great job conveying different materials (skin, hair, lips) by just using seemingly one single brush. being able to render anything with just the hard round brush is a common milestone that digital painters aim for anyways.
grain of salt - im not good at painting

[Anonymous No.6747891]

>>6746286
this week I'm adding spherical forms to show overlap on top of the gesture. :)

[Anonymous No.6747904]

>>6746689
>>6746751
>>6746806
>>6747033
first row of 10 complete
>>6747325
did you do that traditionally or is that some sophisticated watercolor simulation? in any case looks dope

>>6747366
>>6747493
>>6747577
>>6747645
nice

>>6747698
gmi
im jealous of how lively your faces are

>>6747844
>>6747869
lol

>>6747891
progressing gmichad

[Anonymous No.6747919]

>>6747770
>>6747771
>>6747774
brehs

[Anonymous No.6747926]

My gay retarded "artschool" by marc brunet (which i torretned) say I should do 3 point perspective this week, and I should draw a big wall/canyon or something. And this is all good but how the fuck do I create a 3pp grid in csp. It's too complicated for my retarded brain to figure this out.

[Anonymous No.6747929]

>>6747919
you should draw a beetle
NOW!

[Anonymous No.6747932]

>>6746525
These two were done from references

[Anonymous No.6747933]

>>6747926
you dont need tools to create perspective guidelines
literally just place 3 points on your canvas and have the respective construction lines of objects converge to the corresponding vanishing point

[Anonymous No.6747944]

>>6747926
>>6747933
You're right, but he did his drawing on a grid, but I figured it out now I'm retarded sorry.

[Anonymous No.6747945]

>>6747933
I don't think it's that easy. You can't just arbitrarily place the VPs.

[Anonymous No.6747947]

[Anonymous No.6747948]

From reference

[Anonymous No.6747950]

>>6747947
Thanks Michelangelo, now I know I'm legally blind

[Anonymous No.6747955]

>>6747876
Thanks, gonna check them out

[Anonymous No.6747958]

>>6747947
constructoids btfo?

[Anonymous No.6747959]

>>6747733
this is pointless with a grid

[Anonymous No.6747968]

>>6746539
lol cone of shame for this dog

[Anonymous No.6747975]

>>6746525
dumb question

Usually I study drawing with one leg crossed in front of my computer (or reclined), supporting my sketchbook with my leg/knee, since I dont have psychical copies of books like keys to drawing or fun with a pencil

since I'm a beginner, should I just stick with drawing on stable surface like a table? does it even matter as long as I keep drawing?

[Anonymous No.6747988]

>>6747485
>>6747745
>>6747904
Thank you all, that one's traditional (I just turned the highlights up since the photo looked gloomy in comparsion to irl), but I experimented with watercolor textures on digital too

[Anonymous No.6748005]

>>6746525
>keys to NGMI
fuck off

[Anonymous No.6748009]

>>6747975
Do whatever's the most comfortable and gets the best results, don't overthink it.

[Anonymous No.6748014]

>>6746539
i tend to skip too boring bullshit bc it simply kills my motivation. i even regret that i didn't skip that sticky exercise where you should just coooopy that Picasso's drawing, it was a terrible demotivating experience

[Anonymous No.6748027]

>>6747929

[Anonymous No.6748034]

>>6748027
Excuse my retardation

[Anonymous No.6748044]

>>6748005

how...how do you get filtered by the hand exercise?

[Anonymous No.6748057]

>>6747891
I wish my gestures could one day get as good as yours, anon

[Anonymous No.6748058]

>>6746525

[Anonymous No.6748066]

[Anonymous No.6748072]

>>6748057
I have tagged all of my previous posts. If you go back a week ago you can see that I was worse. It's all about consistency. Just keep pumping them out.

What helped me most was going to Michael Hampton's youtube channel and watching literally every single one of his gesture drawing demos. Seeing how he develops the gestures helps a ton.

[Anonymous No.6748077]

>>6746525


1st zaku: attempt at drawing "what I see"

2nd zaku: same thing but I tried to lay the groundwork by constructing but I dont think I went far enough

please dont mind the hover arm and the fact that the cat knocked over my gunpla so I should probably have stopped there instead of finishing the drawing off a slightly different pose

3rd is some still life exercises of non gunpla things for reference I did yesterday

I am not the best student of Bert Dodson ITT

[Anonymous No.6748082]

>>6747904
>>6747645 (You)
>nice
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6748089]

>>6748027
where is your form on the back of the bug?
only the branch is 3D, the head is fine, the torso is fucked up, try doing half of a cylinder and draw the circles around the cylinder and not just plastered on the paper

[Anonymous No.6748101]

>>6748044
how do you not?

[Anonymous No.6748103]

>>6748089
o-okay...

[Anonymous No.6748204]

Why even learn art when in a year AI will be indistinguishable from human art, literally perfect in every way. I lost all motivation.

[Anonymous No.6748208]

>>6748204
Why aren't you learning how to prompt? Prompting is an art in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.6748215]

>>6748204
because ai cant make the pictures that i want in the style that i want
also because drawing is fun

[Anonymous No.6748243]

>>6748215
what brushes do u use anon
i like your drawings

[Anonymous No.6748247]

i cannot fucking draw at all but im trying
i draw like a child i never had glasses until i was 19 so i never learned too use my eyes but im trying i legit cannot do this why am i wasting my time

[Anonymous No.6748261]

>>6748247
Based black anon

[Anonymous No.6748271]

Is it okay if i start copying Bridgeman without much knowledge about anything? I sometimes get too frustrated with learning theory and would like to have some "mindless" alternative that i can switch to whenever i get too mad with the usual.
Although i fear i might not get any use out of copying Bridgeman if i don't know anything about anything yet.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6748274]

>>6748261
ima white girl

[Anonymous No.6748281]

>>6748271
Copying Bridgman is far from mindless, but yeah it's good idea. Even if you don't know what you're doing, you pick things up from him.

[Anonymous No.6748286]

>>6748208
>He takes pride in being a prompt technician
I kek'd

[Anonymous No.6748290]

>>6748274
Show tits or gtfo :P

[Anonymous No.6748291]

>>6748215
>>6748243
i use paint tool sai 2 which has a weird approach to brushes if you are used to photoshop and the like
anyways, pic related

[Anonymous No.6748301]

>>6748286
Where do you see pride?

[Anonymous No.6748347]

>>6748291
Ah damn, I use procreate but im too stupid to make my own brushes

[Anonymous No.6748348]

>>6747945
NTA but yes you can, try it.Trigonometry brah

[Anonymous No.6748359]

>>6748348
>Trigonometry
What?

[Anonymous No.6748382]

>>6747485
>>6747745
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6748384]

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[Anonymous No.6748385]

>>6747555
over the past month i've been using the built-in grid feature in gesturedrawing! when i draw from reference. not to autistically copy square-by-square, i'm too lazy to set all that bullshit up, but just using the horizontal and vertical lines as plumb lines to quickly check angles and alignments without having to go out of my way to measure it myself every time. this has done wonders for me, it's made drawing more fun and comfortable and i feel like things have "clicked" for my observational drawing skills even when i'm not using a grid, or when i'm drawing something from life. the habit of relating everything to a horizontal or vertical line sticks with you.

[Anonymous No.6748441]

3 point perspective is hard, I don't know if I'm ever gonna use this

[Anonymous No.6748448]

>>6748441
Something about this doesn't feel right.

[Anonymous No.6748453]

why did nobody tell me drawing vilpuu beans was so fun?

i’ve been so depressed because nothing i drew turned out good but i felt so happy doing this, all hail vilppu, if even retards like me can get it then everyone can

[Anonymous No.6748455]

>>6746989
Gotta get those hard edges dawg, looks cool though

[Anonymous No.6748467]

>>6748384
csp was literally 15 bucks just a few weeks ago anon

[Anonymous No.6748472]

>>6748441
the right inside wall of the staircase did not follow the VP
the staircase on the outside was too wide
and the vertical VP should be readjusted so the vertical perspective lines are less slanted
im sorry but i have no idea why those all were problems and why fixing them makes it look a bit better, i never studied perspective and only use it intuitively so i cant do more than this little fix

i dont think you have some fundamental flaw in your perspective thinking, if i had to guess:
you dont have the actual architecture planned out down to every last corner, and working in a very extreme perspective (as opposed to simple, straight examples found in books) you just got confused at some point and the errors stacked ontop of each other

[Anonymous No.6748480]

>>6748472
Thank you anon, yeah I made this pretty hasty since I don't like studying perspective

[Anonymous No.6748483]

>>6748467
I've gotten too used to photoshop. I'm sure I could get used to the ui on csp but I don't want to rebind keys and and brushes and start over getting used to it all over again.
Holy fuck I don't understand how they got through, creative cloud and everything was firewall blocked and it worked fine for years. Literally fucking how did they find me? Why now? I'm completely cucked.

[Anonymous No.6748506]

>>6748483
i love that pic so much makes me giggle everytime it’s posted

[Anonymous No.6748520]

I still don't really understand how to warp and rotate forms in an accurate way.

[Anonymous No.6748538]

>>6748520
just imagine a piece of play doh in your hand

[Anonymous No.6748542]

[Anonymous No.6748553]

uh
im trying to draw in layers, drawing the next one over a blurred version of the second one, its taking ages but i feel like it's working and with time ill get faster and can add/modify the steps in a logical and pragmatic way
1.gesture
2.skeleton
3.mannequin
4.clothes/face/features
5.lineart (didnt do it)
>>6747296
>>6746979
cool

[Anonymous No.6748556]

>>6748553
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6748563]

>>6748542
does she have a dick?

[Anonymous No.6748587]

>>6747840
I feel the soul this is cool

[Anonymous No.6748602]

>>6748556
why doesn't she have a dick?

[Anonymous No.6748611]

I'm beginning to see the matrix

[Anonymous No.6748612]

>>6748448
I think it's the aqueduct.

[Anonymous No.6748627]

day 7, i wanted to try drawing cubes, i also tried drawing from the front layer first (its actually easier?)
Tomorrow i want to actually MAKE SURE there's no squash this times, just normal boxes with proper proportions
>>6748602
some girls have dicks, some do not, anon

[Anonymous No.6748629]

Hello beg. I think i am getting worse or hitting my skill ceiling. Ugh.

>>6748556
cute thot
>>6748520
take anything like glass, your hand, paper tube from toilet paper, build a cube from paper. Draw straight line on it. Then notice how the line bends before it disappears on its edges. Thats what contour line is.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/c2/0f/16c20f7027496b08b3abeaa7995cc4bb.jpg
>>6748453
the crabs silenced them to prevent the knowledge getting out
>>6748384
>he doesnt have firewall blocking pirated apps from accessing internet to inform adobe you are stealing their product
>he doesnt use krita
>he didnt buy the licence
>>6748271
if you draw (from reference), you are improving
>>6748247
>didnt PYW
>>6748077
when doing the projects for keys to drawing, try to slow down and take your time. for example that book: you didnt draw what you saw there
>>6747975
there are two things to keep in mind
>ergonomic
there are people who spend months drawing in horrible setups / positions and then their spines or carpal tunnels explodes. Make sure your body doesnt hurt or you will pay the price
>viewing canvas perpendicularly
if you dont, then your drawing will be naturally (a little) skewed
>>6747948
nice anime thot
>>6747932
shame you didnt use the value separation like you written at the bottom
>>6747885
welcome to beg!
>>6747645
almost coomable. great!
>>6747602
skeleton!
>>6747232
one book at a time. very simple and very effective
>>6748611
>anon is studying how to draw chibi
eh, they have their appeal, good luck!

[Anonymous No.6748630]

>>6748627
What are you studying?

[Anonymous No.6748631]

>>6748630
im doing an exercise where you code the parameters of a box an then try to draw it
drawing a box, dividing it, numbering the faces, and then "going up" by the number of boxes that i wrote down

[Anonymous No.6748640]

>>6748629
I know about the contour line, but it's hard to get the volume of the organic shape looking right

[Anonymous No.6748653]

>>6748631
No offense anon but that is so fucking boring you are just setting yourself up to failure. Just fucking draw anime girls in perspective they are pretty much made up of boxes and cylinders.

[Anonymous No.6748659]

>>6748653
Who the fuck do you think drew this >>6748556

[Anonymous No.6748660]

WIP, I finally picked up drawing again after a long ass hiatus.

[Anonymous No.6748666]

Tried loomis from imagination again

[Anonymous No.6748670]

>>6748627
it's not fair! we need more girldick!

[Anonymous No.6748672]

>>6748653
>Just fucking draw anime girls in perspective
all i know is boxes in perspective how do i draw anime girls and especially how do i put them in perspective

[Anonymous No.6748676]

>>6748670
>girl
>dick

[Anonymous No.6748680]

>>6748676
If she can get pregnant and looks like actual girl, might as well be one.
Troons cannot breed and they will be coping for eternity about it.

[Anonymous No.6748699]

Learning art is hard but fun. Wish learning to code were that fun, quit after a month because It was so fucking boring.

[Anonymous No.6748737]

>>6748672
do want this anon did
>>6748611

draw boxes around the anime girl

[Anonymous No.6748752]

>>6747891
Based and GMI-pilled.
>>6747888 (checked)
Ironically, I've got weapons-grade ADHD. By the way...
>>6747904
Those are some absolutely succulent-looking torsos, Anon. I'm jelly. I better get more mileage lol.
>>6748291
>>6748347
Same. I love the look of Red Blob Anon's brush.
>>6748453
I love your snuggling beans. They make me smile.
>>6748611
>>6748672
>>6748737
>What are you trying to tell me? That I can draw boxes?
>No, Anon. I’m trying to tell you that when you’re ready, you won’t have to.

[Anonymous No.6748793]

Did the first exercise in the sticky. It actually turned out better than expected. Hoping to continue with at least something every day.

[Anonymous No.6748796]

Anyone know the name of that image organizer software a lot of artists use? It had the ability to finitely add images and scroll out/in on what's essentially a single viewed app.

[Anonymous No.6748797]

>>6748796
pureref

[Anonymous No.6748799]

>>6748797
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.6748851]

[Anonymous No.6748853]

wtf are fundamentals?

[Anonymous No.6748863]

>>6748853
'fundamentals', as a concept, is knowledge that goes beyond any medium, and apply to literally every art related activity you can think of

>perspective
>composition
>colour theory
>shapes, volumes
>how light behaves and interacts with things
>proportions
>storytelling
among many others

theyre all those 'big concepts' that encompass a lot of stuff
Its not 'knowing how to properly grab your stylus', or 'how to do X thing in Y software', those are basic knowledge, and is not related to fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.6748867]

>>6748853
skills that are fundamental in the whole domain of art
skills that benefit you across different subjects, styles, genres, etc
knowing how to draw an eye is not a fundamental skill, knowing how to paint a hedgehog is not fundamental, but being able to convey a round spherical form convincingly is fundamental to both for example

usually the concept of "fundamentals" is never clarified and what falls under fundamentals is vague

most would agree on the following:
confidently putting lines, marks and brush strokes on the canvas, draftsmanship in general
knowledge about perspective, geometry and the ability to construct / deconstruct subjects using those
understanding of light and shadow, the categories of light and shadow (direct, soft, diffuse lights - cast, form, ambient occlusion, contact shadows)
and so on
things that any artist can use regardless of what he aims for
generally speaking, the more fundamental a skill is, the more important it is in the quality of the finished product. form is more fundamental than color for example, good form (=anatomy in figure drawing) can save bad coloring, but good coloring cannot save bad anatomy.

[Anonymous No.6748975]

>>6748680
>get pregnant
How is that going to work delusional faggot

[Anonymous No.6748983]

Yeah, I like this much better than just grinding boobs.

>>6748853
Basically what >>6748863
and >>6748867 said.

I think of it as the 20% of art skills/concepts that get you 80% of the results. Gesture/story, construction, and light/shadow/value are the biggest categories imo. And they have their own sub components that underlay the whole thing like a foundation, like Anon was saying.
>>6748793
Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.6749032]

How do you avoid getting burnt out?

[Anonymous No.6749038]

gonna start force, tired of everything looking so stiff

[Anonymous No.6749051]

>>6749032
Release the tension.
Exercise, breathing exercises, drugs, breaks etc.

[Anonymous No.6749065]

>>6748672
>how do i draw anime girls and especially how do i put them in perspective
see pic related here >>6746960

[Anonymous No.6749077]

What I’m doing feels so wrong. I might actually switch back to Proko because I’m not a fan of the results I’m getting with Hampton.

[Anonymous No.6749086]

>haven't drawn for a whole month because partner was finished with his exams and we've been hanging out 24/7
My skills are bound to be completely degenerated!!!
My progress!!!

[Anonymous No.6749095]

Still doing a terrible job with cubes and rotations

[Anonymous No.6749116]

>bro just learn anatomy
>bro just learn perspective
>bro just learn volumes
>bro just learn shapes
>bro just learn lighting
TELL ME FUCKING HOW IM RETARDED I NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME 'do X thing, Y amount of times, making Z variations'

Books are fucking SHIT, sure they have examples of what theyre talking about but beyond LITERALLY copying their very example i dont know what else to do holy shit

[Anonymous No.6749118]

>>6749116
I need fucking homework, not just big ass fundamental concepts to 'lmao just learn them'

[Anonymous No.6749126]

>>6749116
>>6749118
What do you want to draw?

[Anonymous No.6749138]

>>6749126
I like landscapes and figure drawing
Character design looks interesting too, but im mainly interested in the first two things.

[Anonymous No.6749148]

>>6749138
For figures deconstruct figure's into basic shapes 453 times, full figure's.
>pic related
For landscapes draw landscape pictures 326 times deconstructing the landscape into 2d color shapes.
You're allowed to draw things you like AFTER you've draw AT LEAST 5 figures and or 3 landscapes a day.
You can pick two days a week that are rest days, don't shuffle them around if you don't have to.
Pick two days and stick to them.
You can draw on these days ofc but no figure or landscape studies required.

[Anonymous No.6749149]

>>6749116
Look up Marc Brunet's year plan for a monthly schedule of assignments. Be aware, some of it is boring and hard for a /beg/

[Anonymous No.6749150]

>>6749148
NTA, this is cool but why those numbers specifically and how are you supposed to keep track of them?

[Anonymous No.6749173]

>>6749118
I gotchu senpai.
https://www.brendanmeachen.com/soloartist
There's also a paid version but if you know where to look you can find it for free (OCC).
I think the paid version is better because it comes with instructions like "draw this 15 times".

[Anonymous No.6749174]

>>6749138
>Figure drawing.
From Hampton's CGMA course.

[Anonymous No.6749180]

>>6749174
I'm actually reading Hampton and spent last week, doing 100+ gestures and I am still nowhere even close required level to move on to week 2 material - landmarks. It's over. He would've expelled me from his classes for being a retard and laughed at me.

[Anonymous No.6749183]

>>6749116
Every thread until you understand

[Anonymous No.6749186]

>>6749180
Post your work
Also just move on, don't spend an eternity working on noodle/spaghetti/doodle people.

I've been reading and watching his videos but I feel like I need more. He's great with teaching gesture but the rest is confusing/unclear.

[Anonymous No.6749189]

How do you make the jump from painting scenes 1:1 of real objects or photographs to painting things from imagination? I know about using multiple references, but things end up looking strange because I’m not able to combine them well.

[Anonymous No.6749192]

>>6749150
I pulled them out of my ass.
If you want to get good you'll do alot more than that but it's a good start.
You keep track of them by saving them or keeping the paper copies.
You could number them on the page aswell.

[Anonymous No.6749195]

>>6749180
What page is that? I can't find that page in my pdf

[Anonymous No.6749198]

>>6749186
I already spammed this thread with my bad gestures. Pic is from a few days ago, this one is from yesterday. >>6748057
Hampton is just too hard for me, I'm also watching Proko's course and I am going to check out Vilppu as anon suggested.
Right now my biggest problem is I can't find balance between making proportions look right and having fluid gesture. When I spend >5 minutes on a gesture, it looks stiff, but proportions are a little better, when I do timed gestures as in pic, it doesn't look that stiff, but proportions are horrible.

[Anonymous No.6749199]

>>6749195
2013 edition, it's on /ic/ torrent

[Anonymous No.6749215]

>>6749198
Try watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpH8T2CRlLI

He does livestreams so you can watch the process or ask questions. Also for all the people that like vilppu his teacher went to school or worked together with him so they have similar teaching style.

[Anonymous No.6749217]

>>6749198

I think you should try working on your lines and shapes. I know it's basic but it might help you.
And try to stick with Proko, he builds up to the bean/robo-bean/and mannequins really well. Proko actually helped me a lot with the bean thing.

Haven't tried Vilppu so I can't recommend anything.
and like >>6748072 said, watch Hampton's videos, even the ones on youtube are really useful and will help you a lot.
best of luck anon.

[Anonymous No.6749229]

>>6749195
https://e-hentai.org/g/1725767/40409c2ca9/

[Anonymous No.6749230]

drew a lion

[Anonymous No.6749282]

behold my ms paint masterpiece

[Anonymous No.6749290]

And as usual, here's the part that filters me

[Anonymous No.6749307]

>>6749215
>>6749217
Thanks for advises, gonna grind gestures this week too

[Anonymous No.6749327]

are these good for 45 seconds?

[Anonymous No.6749334]

new drop
>>6749330
>>6749330

>>6749330
>>6749330
>>6749330
>>6749330

[Anonymous No.6749335]

>>6748975
futanaris/hermaphrodites have both sets of sexual organs you philistine.

[Anonymous No.6749356]

>>6749183
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.6749579]

>>6749183
HOW.

[Anonymous No.6749629]

>>6748101
Just draw what you see

[Anonymous No.6749631]

>>6749183
God I want to kick him in the face so hard. But that's kinda in the situation I'm in right now lol.

[Anonymous No.6749812]

>>6749629
and it's impossible and doesn't look like anything