The Old Masters Thread

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Here you can post work from the Old Masters, discuss your favorite artists, movements, visual motifs, and what you like and dislike about them. You can also post studies and your own work if you feel its relevant to the thread. Topics for discussion:
>Favorite artist(s)
>Favorite art pieces
>Favorite movement

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>Favorite artist(s)
Johfra, Salvador Dalí, Monsù Desiderio
>Favorite art pieces
Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan
>Favorite movement
Surrealism

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this month on old master news:
random red chalk scribbles on a perino del vaga ink sketch on paper found, after turning upsie down, to be an initial preparatory sketch for the nativity by the same artist.
a drawing previously thought to be by an unknown 17th century italian master now believed to be an early sketch for a recently surfaced andrea riccio statuete of a satyr, and is now dated the first decade of 16th century.
a rare drawing by cosme tura discovered to be a forgery during conservation when the rust spots proved to have the same signature as nesquik strains under RAMAN microspectroscopy.
new advances in cataloging microorganisms found in old master works on paper for attribution and studies on effect of microfauna in pulp-glue interface stability.
a getty research institute intern noticed a striking similarity in the pose of a drawing of a group of figures on parchment, anonymous 16th century french, with a section of a roman sarcophagus frieze, dated 2nd century BC, while on a student travel program in italy.
a chinese girl, who strayed away from a guided tour group in national gallery (london), bumped onto a dutch golden age painting while taking selfie with a selfie stick, damaging the varnish which had only been applied last week. the painting is expected to return on view in the next two months.

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>>6744283
the first femboy

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>>6744288
>we're going to kill your pime pussy
>don't let them kill that prime pussy
>I can't believe I'm going to kill this prime pussy

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>>6744288
>>6744743
not old master
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>johfra
not old master
>dali
not old master
>repin
not old master
>surrealism
not old master

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>>6748122
these are old and masters >>6744743>>6744288

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>>6748188
Get this abomination out of my sight.

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This artwork speaks to me in a way like no other artwork has before. The composition, the use of color, the variety of texture -- the sheer artistry! -- make it a timeless masterpiece. To look upon it is to witness the peak of Western civilization.

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>>6748147
still not old master, just as many posts that came after

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fwiw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Master
>refers to any painter of skill who worked in Europe before about 1800, or a painting by such an artist.

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i exclusively look at old masters and want to paint like one. it's challenging, but i find it rewarding and i like learning about the materials and techniques, even make my own materials. a lot of their materials have proven to be the best practice in oil. there's also a depth that is achievable only by the layered technique due to contrast of qualities like opaque, cloudy, translucent, and transparent.
a lot of students focus on the figures especially if they aren't specifically into old masters, but the designs are also full of invention and meaning.

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>>6748177
I wonder how he got the lighting for his models if he painted them from life.

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>>6748596
>wikipedia
the time period is not fixed

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>>6749055
yes. it should be even earlier.

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>>6749055
nta but early 1800s academy painters were the ones who literally invented the term because they considered 1700s rococo art to be such an embarrassment

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>>6748787
>a lot of students focus on the figures especially if they aren't specifically into old masters, but the designs are also full of invention and meaning.
The figures are probably what's most interesting to me, considering the fact that they didn't have resources to all the anatomy books or photo references like we do now. I think it'd be worth studying why certain figures looked a certain way or how the Masters studied back then. AFAIK there was a lot of copying of the same poses over and over, and I can definitely see the benefit of doing that practice.

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so how do you decide what is and isnt an old master if the definition is not set in stone?

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>>6749085
by the mid 1700s painters already noticed a distinction between them and earlier generations of painters like titian and rembrandt. before that, the phrase old master was simply descriptive. they would write about certain glowing qualities that those artists had in the glazes and this continued on in the 1800s.
i think the renaissance was designed by poetics. baroque was less heady but was still used a similar language. later artists of the 1700s are by aesthetics that were designed specifically to debate among themselves and there were many writers on aesthetics. 1800s is marked by minor movements surrounding the academy, such as pre-rephaelites, nazarine, gothic revival, renaissance revival, and others, until you have the modernists who continued into this trend of self-contained movements.

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What do we call masters who are old(died 100ish years ago?)

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>>6749355
Just masters. The Old Masters refers to artists who were classically trained in techniques and methods. Since those institutions that offered those teachings have changed its curriculum, the knowledge has been lost.

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>>6749093
there's not much to it. just copy whatever is around you. all the written instructions on't really matter. what matters is having good examples to emulate.
here is what i mean by inventive designs from the old masters. there's a certain language that permeates all designed objects, from frames, to musical instruments, and purely works of fancy that aren't meant to be completed outside of a paper.

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>>6749093
there's not much to it. just copy whatever is around you. all the written instructions don't really matter. what matters is having good examples to emulate.
here is what i mean by inventive designs from the old masters. there's a certain language that permeates all designed objects, from frames, to musical instruments, and purely works of fancy that aren't meant to be completed outside of a paper.

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>>6749131
No definitions really are ever set in stone, there's always some arbitrariness. Proper "etiquette" would dictate that if you can infer from the context a suitable definition, you go with it, or, if you feels like it's needed, take the time to be explicit about the definitions to be used, and ask your audience to be.

But most people don't care for etiquette, even more so for contemporary people, even more so for 4chan people.

>>6749093
Leonardo's treatise is available on the Internets. There are also some old instruction books, think, pre-Bargue plates, usually engravings. Usually, the starting point was/is always the same: you get people to copy "stuff", preferably tailored for beginners (Bargue plates typically are, engravings, not much so).

Lack of photography, Internet and artificial lighting certainly made the learning experience considerably more challenging.

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>>6744282
The roccoco is an underrated period IMO. It was very much of its time which is why it doesn't have much cultural significance now. While you can see overlap between the baroque and the renaissance, Rocco art was completely unique and pretty much was only for the high class 18th century aristocrats.

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I'm more into the Flemish Baroque and Neoclassical styles of painting, but I have a soft spot for the rendering and color choices in rococo art. It's underrated in the same way I think the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood is underrated, both movements were very interesting but didn't seem to last long enough to have a cultural impact as far as I'm aware of.

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Speaking of the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood, here's some work by Evelyn de Morgan.

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>>6744282
not sure if this is the right place to make this question but how do you express this with lineart only? I am trying to study folds and wrinkles but still, like this is impossible to represent without rendering
this is for painters, not people who just want to draw using pen and paper

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>>6750402
Don't you have one answer a few posts below: >>6744289 (google search image to get highest res) ? A (much, much) less laborious way is to simplify the folds, as is customary in comics/manga. For intermediate attempts, have a look at Franklin Booth.

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>>6750437
cross-hatching is still rendering th

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>>6750402
Dude, its the same exact thing.use hatching or black inks to convey the shadow of the clothing. If youre working with pencil use the edge to shade the folds.

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>>6750402
Use line weight in addition to >>6750646, vary the thickness of the line to show ambient occlusion and overlap. I'll draw an example later.

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>>6744282
One hour study. I need to do more of these, maybe I'll do a value study next.

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>>6750402
https://youtu.be/fWKSgNic0PI

one example of how to do it with ink.

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>>6751130
What an incel looking mf

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>>6751056
whoa

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literally me

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