What makes a good design?

[Anonymous No.6716091]

Vivziepop has posted numerous complaints about people redesigning her characters. But this thing got the biggest traction.

Because it’s supposed to be the demon Beelzebub. All redesigns got more likes than her original design. What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.6716093]

Better picture.

[Anonymous No.6716103]

What was the original design?

[Anonymous No.6716104]

>>6716091
>Vivziepop has posted numerous complaints about people redesigning her characters.
Is she retarded?

Looks like troon colors, but still who cares.

[Anonymous No.6716105]

reminds me of those rainbow ocs

[Anonymous No.6716112]

>>6716103
That is the original design. Here’s the redesign. It’s more liked than her bitching.

[Anonymous No.6716114]

>>6716112
this is way better lmao but i can see why shed be pissed over people telling her that design is ass

[Anonymous No.6716123]

>>6716091
>>6716093
sparkledog. boring
>>6716112
ehh its better than vivzie’s dogshit design

[Anonymous No.6716128]

>>6716114
>>6716123
The Og design is supposed to be a bee.

[Anonymous No.6716137]

[Anonymous No.6716144]

>>6716112
lmao. Not sure why she'd go with a fox considering in the past she said she hates being associated with furries. She either needs to embrace being a furbait artist and not whine about criticism or make better non-furfag designs

[Anonymous No.6716149]

>>6716093
>Lord of Flies
>A fucking dog.

Gif can’t fight her white girl tendencies.

[Anonymous No.6716169]

>>6716149
>white girl
Erm, sweety, she's actually a proud Latinx American? Like, try respecting her Hispanic heritage???

[Anonymous No.6716174]

>>6716169
Latinx? The fuck

[Anonymous No.6716178]

are these practical character designs? this is just a sketch i have of these two characters together. i want to be able to make more stuff with them but i feel like the floating eyes detracts from their personability and the ability to make certain expressions.

[Anonymous No.6716190]

>>6716091
>What went wrong?
It just feels like a shitty themed adoptable more than a character, it's essentially a fox fursona with bug decorations
>"you know what would make this character with liquid hair look better? giving her normal hair alongside it!"

[Anonymous No.6716195]

>>6716091
Anyone can make a pretty design, far fewer of them can draw them into an animated series. If I was them, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.6716234]

>>6716091
>>6716093
>>6716112
I dont watch helluva boss, I assume that its intentionally different from belzelbub in myth and that its a shapeshifter.

[Anonymous No.6716245]

>>6716137
Love this one

[Anonymous No.6716249]

>>6716234
To be clear I do like seeing how people reimagine things, but I don't think you should say that your redesign is "better" than the original. You can say it's closer to the mythological inspirations for sure, but that in itself doesnt make something good or bad.

[Anonymous No.6716267]

>>6716249
Her design is objectively shit. It's supposed to depict a demon who encourages gluttony. The redesigns are all fixing the shoddy design she did.
And being closer to the mythological being makes the character more recognizable. Hell it doesn't even need to look exactly like the original. It just needs to have a reason why it looks a certain way when you use a well established being and depict them as something completely unrelated. It's no wonder her design got shit on so bad tons of people are fixing it.

[Anonymous No.6716268]

>>6716234
Also no it's because she wanted to draw her Kesha wolf and wanted to find a way to shove Kesha's voice actor in there. The demon of gluttony doesn't even encourage gluttony.
The lord of the flies is a shitty furry dog.

[Anonymous No.6716270]

A couple things make a good design
>strong silhouette
>strong color theory
The capacity to recognize the character if a child drew them from memory.

[Anonymous No.6716271]

>>6716137
Insects are based. Furries are cringe. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.6716297]

>>6716270
So this character fails at all of these.

[Anonymous No.6716310]

>>6716105
That's all of her art.

[Anonymous No.6716331]

I dont dislike her skill but her designs are always incomprehensible and way over designed. No iconic factors it's just a scattershot of random elements and if you asked me to draw any of her characters from memory I wouldn't be able to even remember more than 1 element. Only designs that were ever remotely goof was the small guy demon and the wolf girl from helluva boss, everything else is genuinely bad looking. She should pass over the design aspect to someone else because her ability isn't bad

[Anonymous No.6716334]

This was animated nice.
>>>/wsg/5153454

[Anonymous No.6716342]

>free waifubait game made solely to encourage albino demon girls in suits porn had a better beelzebub design

[Anonymous No.6716355]

>>6716331
>>6716091

I wonder if she has a different form that looks more fly like?

[Anonymous No.6716357]

>>6716091
The color scheme is a bit much. Also, why does the sparkledog furry have four arms?

[Anonymous No.6716358]

>>6716342
Having good taste goes hand in hand with being able to design a multitude of subject matter well.

[Anonymous No.6716373]

>>6716112
Now THAT looks like Beelzebub! Not the one we got.

[Anonymous No.6716379]

>>6716091
>Wiki claims that she has a animal tamer motif
>Looks virtually nothing like an animal tamer nor does she even act like one

[Anonymous No.6716410]

>>6716334
This is an eyesore.

[Anonymous No.6716411]

>>6716357
It’s beelzeebub. Aka, lord of the flies, prince of gluttony.

[Anonymous No.6716438]

>>6716112
It's not great but its a million times better than the original

>>6716379
This would have been a cool motif and sensible but the fact I am actively searching for it and kind find anything doesn't speak well. Maybe a whip or tophat? It looks like a pink magic wolf in an ugly outfit, I don't understand how this didn't go back to the drawing board

[Anonymous No.6716667]

>>6716438
Because Viv was stroking her dick because she got her girl crush to voice her.

[Anonymous No.6716711]

>>6716169
Probably a White Latina. No difference.

[Anonymous No.6716755]

>>6716334
This song is shit. Who wrote this crap?

[Anonymous No.6716764]

>>6716755
Kesha

[Anonymous No.6716777]

Everyone here is trashing the designs but desu it think it’s a great depiction of a deviantart, depraved hellscape. Down to the bright adhd color choices and mishmash of shapes and textures each character has.

[Anonymous No.6716781]

>>6716091
Not furry rainbow sparkledog shit, that’s for sure. Everything in this thread makes me want to gouge my eyes out.

[Anonymous No.6716808]

>>6716781
Redesign it then. Show your beelzebub.

[Anonymous No.6717527]

i dont give a FUCK about viv and neither should you, shes beyond fixing, shes not a charming little indie artist whos good at illustrating but hasnt grasped the concepts of character design yet
shes now an industry professional and an eternal 15 year old girl in an adult woman's body who loves the "uwu hell and demons and satan are sooooooo cutesy and stylish theehee im different and quirky right gurlz?" shit

you cant fix her
give up and stop giving her attention

[Anonymous No.6717532]

>>6717527
none of her shows are set in hell in any meaningful way. its only true in name. otherwise it might as well be some kinda crime ridden metropolitan downtown or a quirky modern highschool with vaaaaguely hell related names and hell-*inspired* aesthetics. theres nothing there that says "this is a place of eternal damnation", it feels more like a Hot-Topic convention. sure, a few people are rude or maybe even downright mean, but the same could be said about your local schoolyard bully.
and none of those are accidents, none of those are just mistakes or badly delivered attempts, its 100% intentional because Viv doesn't want to write a story about hell, she wants to write a little gay fanfic about a buncha edgy OCs who dress like drugged up women with BPD learning about the power of friendship.

[Anonymous No.6717605]

>>6716091
why would anyone be surprised by this? This cunt has created some of the most cancerous "art" of the 20s

[Anonymous No.6717608]

>>6716169
White Latina's are in the same category of White American's, whether the loonies want to admit it or not.

[Anonymous No.6717610]

>>6716112
why the hell didn't she go with this. did Kesha reject it or something?

[Anonymous No.6717951]

>>6716808
No.

[Anonymous No.6717953]

>>6717532
Threadly reminder, rapists, child abusers, pedos, genocidal dictators are too evil and their souls are erased in Shitviepop’s hell.

[Anonymous No.6717995]

>>6716112
Better than the furry design by all accounts. We got cheated out of a sexy bee matriarch...

[Anonymous No.6718093]

>>6717995
Should of been a fly.

[Anonymous No.6718190]

>>6716091
But that isn't good design, helluvaboss just gives off a politically correct sjw style, If it isn't like that just know that the style gives off that vibe.

[Anonymous No.6718229]

>>6716091
>>6716112
>What went wrong?
Beelzebub or not, looks faggy as fuck.
>>6716137
This one's better.

[Anonymous No.6718336]

>>6716091
>What went wrong?
People got tired of furbait, the wolf with the mental illness haircut was enough, this "Beel" design is just that wolf with extra arms and colored yellow.
Helltaker made a better job making the design with a fly-themed suit.

[Anonymous No.6718340]

>>6718190
>helluvaboss just gives off a politically correct sjw style,
Because Viv herself is a politically correct SJW loon, unlike a lot of her followers, which was the reason she got roasted on twatter when she joined the cancel mob against FNaF's creator.

[Anonymous No.6718373]

>>6716091
Honestly the biggest issue with this design is that there's literally NOTHING to focus on, every single body part and accessory is trying to grab as much attention as possible, like her abdomen, her weird waist thing, the eye thing in her hair, those huge eyelashes, etc.

The only parts with actual contrasting values are her SIX limbs, rather than her face or anything that actually matters.

>>6716112

And that plays into this redesign. It has SO much more contrast and it actually gives you something to look at instead of simply blasting a bunch of pastels in your face with no real form.

One could argue the fact that most of Viv's characters are literal twigs is what's ruining her designs, but like, look at Code Geass or literally anything by CLAMP. Those character designs are fine despite them all having supermodel builds.

[Anonymous No.6718377]

>>6718373
it's really easy to see this difference when you just desaturate them

[Anonymous No.6718398]

>>6717953
>literally Hitler gets to fade peacefully into oblivion
>the 6 gorillion jews he killed have to spend an eternity as gay neon furries in Hell because they said "damn" once
Bravo, Vivzie

[Anonymous No.6718420]

>>6717527
>>6717532
"satan is sexy, cool, and misunderstood" is nowhere near a new idea. It's been around for hundreds of years.

[Anonymous No.6718484]

>>6718336
Cookie-cutter Tumblr sexyman

[Anonymous No.6718544]

>>6717532
i think its set in hell because vinzie needed a reason to justify her character designs when she could have just not? you dont gotta explain everything if your city is filled with demons and furries- so? full disclosure i havent watched it but in bojack horseman animal people just exist and nobody really questions it (that i know of)

[Anonymous No.6718550]

>>6716777
you know what i never really thought of her shows like this before but maybe the "hell" her shows are set in arent our hell but deviant art's hell

[Anonymous No.6718554]

>>6716379
obviously the animal tamer motif is that shes a wolf!! duhh

[Anonymous No.6718556]

>>6718544
hazbin hotel's premise doesnt make that much sense unless its hell though?

[Anonymous No.6718559]

>>6718556
i was talking more about hellva boss- but actually fair point to make

[Anonymous No.6718919]

>>6718484
>the warden
i have literally never seen anyone sexyman that guy
hell, id be shocked to find out tumblr girls even watch superjail, its gorey as hell and beyond offensive

[Anonymous No.6718920]

>>6718544
>vinzie needed a reason to justify her character designs when she could have just not? you dont gotta explain everything if your city is filled with demons and furries-
agreed, sometimes its fun to just have a cartoon with a visual theme and i think many new cartoonists dont realize this, they need everything explained to them
the rule of cool will always be in effect

[Anonymous No.6718924]

>>6718919
tumblr isnt as homogenous as you seem to think, superjail was massively popular within certain circles on tumblr in the early 2010s, the same circles that post sparkly gifs of monster energy drinks and bought their clothing at hot topic

[Anonymous No.6718929]

>>6718924
shit good point, i forgot actual scene kids were actually quite mental, that was the generation of crude humor, rebellious fashion and YAOI paddles.. not this modern day 'scene-CORE' crap where they just collect kandi bracelets and bedazzle their pronoun page with inoffensive gifs of invader zim characters

[Anonymous No.6718932]

>>6718929
2020s Scene-core e-fags when asked what gender they are:
>Theehee I'm this thing and here are my pronouns, thank you for asking :3 [posts a sparkly pic of hello kitty to show theyre still cool and scene]

Actual early 2000s Scene kids when asked what gender they are:
>Ummm 0-o *looks in pants* *throws you across the room so you explode into a buncha confetti* EEEEEEK YOU PERVERT XDDDD IM A GIRL OBVZ XDDDDDD *decapitates you with a penguin*

[Anonymous No.6719001]

>>6716112
That lava lamp bee ass is a cool idea ngl
>>6716128
wtf did she expect she can only draw furry shit that is 80% a fox

[Anonymous No.6719009]

>>6718420
If I'm not hard because to that sexy satan I'm hard because of the render

[Anonymous No.6719014]

>>6718932
thanks I hate them both

[Anonymous No.6719108]

>>6719014
Kek that's the intention

[Anonymous No.6719306]

>>6718932
Cringe, I used to be second one lmao. The zeitgeist was great but the fashion was horrible, I have no idea why people wanna emulate the worst part of that era

[Anonymous No.6719393]

>>6716091
all of her character designs are ugly so why is this one any different

[Anonymous No.6719885]

>>6716091
One rule don't let you hyper fixation over take youre art for some its drawing furrys for others its drawing everyone like a fashion major.... just don't look for good designs that fit youre characters not youre taste or preferences

[Anonymous No.6720459]

Does VivziePop have ADHD? Her design with details RAMMED in everywhere so that the eyes can't escape to a rest area gives me ADHD vibes.

[Anonymous No.6721015]

>>6717953
How is this hell then?

[Anonymous No.6721023]

>>6719393
Nobody knew it was supposed the be a demon prince of hell.

[Anonymous No.6722097]

>>6720459
No she's a California woman.

[Anonymous No.6722781]

>>6718420
yes, because of one artist who drew a controversial painting for his time as opposed to "le satan is sexy and misunderstood" meme that's been trending in pop culture and entertainment for the past 20 years. you "everything was always the exact same!" cucks are the biggest copers

[Anonymous No.6722799]

>>6722781
>what is paradise lost?
>What is Le génie du mal?

[Anonymous No.6722872]

>>6722799
Again, a few controversial artists doesn't correspond to a general cultural trend. you're arguing that 18th-19th europe was on an acceptable mass wave of "hail smatan :3" like 2023 europe/america is when that's just not true

[Anonymous No.6722875]

>>6722872
*to a general accepted societal and cultural zeigeist, rather
although i guess you can argue those edgelords eventually lead us to today, it wasn't the normative like it is now

[Anonymous No.6722886]

>>6722872
>few controversial artists
my brother in christ that is what you call a general cultural trend
modern day "satan is misunderstood" isnt as mainstream thought as you imagine

[Anonymous No.6722894]

>>6722886
nigga what are you talking about? "hail smatan" "actually god was the bad guy" "paganism is cool" takes are littered all over entertainment, social media, and news articles

[Anonymous No.6722921]

>>6722886
Every "deep" plot nowadays is about how tradition and god are le bad dude.

[Anonymous No.6722968]

>>6722886
It's one of the very few times where the "fetishization" word would have an actual application, the current cultural trend is to depict evil as just misunderstood and fine.

[Anonymous No.6723046]

>>6722799
paradise lost isn't saying satan's misunderstood it's saying satan's a massive narcissist who can't admit he got pwned
le genie du mal idk

[Anonymous No.6723061]

>>6722968
>current cultural trend is to depict evil as just misunderstood and fine
thats just women at work with their attraction towards horrible and psychopathic (yet conveniently handsome) men

[Anonymous No.6723074]

>>6723061
>Implying men don't do the same thing with evil women

[Anonymous No.6723124]

>>6722894
The majority of the usa, over 60% are christians.
How common is it really?

[Anonymous No.6723171]

>>6723124
That 60% of people aren't the ones running the American entertainment industry.

[Anonymous No.6723706]

>>6716091
This design is just an amalgamation of existing characters (Verosika and Loona) which is also allergic to looking weird or evil in any way. She tried to implement some insect related things like the two sets of arms covered in ink or some shit and the antennae but it's all disconnected from each other. Nothing about this says it's a powerful hell deity.

[Anonymous No.6724404]

>>6716091
I’m not so bothered by she’s not suppose to represent gluttony, but what I am bothered by is how messy her entire outfit is and the colours look horribly put together. They clash pretty bad and I’m not sure what I’m suppose to look at.

[Anonymous No.6724679]

>>6724404
She’s just Viv’s old deviantart OC. I think she bought the design.

[Anonymous No.6725825]

This bitch went on a Twitter crying spree after people made better designs.

[Anonymous No.6725862]

>>6723171
>>6723124
Oy vey shut this thread down right the fuck now

[Anonymous No.6725871]

>>6716091
I honestly hate "design" autism, people who think there is such a thing as "good design," because it usually means specific hairstyles or otherwise hyperunique clothing or aspects of physical appearance. For all the complaining about Vivziepop's sparkledog being a literal sparkledog, I can't help but feel the critics themselves are actually demanding for even worse sparkledog-like ideals of character design. They criticize her, and other people, for making designs that are "all the same." But I look at humans and at animal species and see sameness. They change their clothes and hairstyles and so forth. I don't know why in my mind as an artist I'm like this, but I intentionally feel a drive to rebel against this weird obsession with hyper """"uniqueness"""" that so many artists praise. I know people also have critiqued the Vivziepop Beelzebub design because it's a dog rather than a bee or fly but I don't really think anyone would care as much if it wasn't the issue of her making another furry sparkledog creature. That's another thing I hate about design purists: they think things have to meet stereotypes and tropes tightly associated with a concept for it to be "good," and then throw eye-catchy flourishes. And then on the flipside you have people complaining about "boring" sexualization or artists who draw similar faces or whatever. The obsession with variance in body type, face type, etc just repels me. It just doesn't feel as natural to my mind as it seems to the puritsts. It feels simultaneously restrictively conservative, and hyper individualistic, which feels stupid to me. I don't care about "design," I just care about a piece of art successfully communicating an aesthetic feeling like beauty, cuteness, weirdness, stylized coolness, emotions, eros, whatever, it just has to do one right. Every other requirement feels like arbitrary bullshit rules to help critics posture over artists, most critics aren't even artists and can't make shit themselves.

[Anonymous No.6725949]

>>6725871
This definitely is a crap design compared to this. >>6716112

[Anonymous No.6727130]

>>6725871
but the issue is it's not even what you said, creative, beautiful, ect, it just looks like garbage. god forbid people want more creativity and innovation than hacks calling themselves "creatives" mucking up art

[Anonymous No.6727132]

>>6716091
Not what but who? Literally me.

[Anonymous No.6728650]

>>6727130
Dogfuckers, what are you gonna do?

[Anonymous No.6728655]

>>6716091
A good design visually communicates a feeling without saying words. Nothing else.

[Anonymous No.6728982]

>>6728655
Post a good design.

[Anonymous No.6729106]

>>6716091
>Philisines have a God, Baal-zebul
>Name means Lord of the heavenly dwelling, aka heaven
>Israelites learn about this
>Begin derogatorily referring to Baal-zebul as Baal-zebub, which aka "Lord of the Flies", aka shit
>Proceed to btfo the Philistines
>for the rest of time their most notable god's name is rendered as 'shit'
lol

[Anonymous No.6729159]

Everyone who hates Viviziepop is seething. Literally everyone. People would take you more seriously if you could type your criticisms without crying.

[Anonymous No.6729168]

>>6729159
Hi Viv

[Anonymous No.6729181]

>>6729159

[Anonymous No.6729186]

>>6716091
Passion, exactly what /ic lacks. Art board is the soulless one.

[Anonymous No.6730391]

>>6729159
Lord of the flies looks like a dog. It's shit character design. Her Hell is just some average city. The mortal realm is no different except the lack of red.

[Anonymous No.6730426]

>>6729181
How has scott cawthorns life been ruined? He's still wealthy, and has more games and movies in his franchise coming out.

[Anonymous No.6730603]

>>6728982
This is sexy, dangerous, and fitting to character.

[Anonymous No.6730703]

Putting the word “hedgehog” after it.

[Anonymous No.6730944]

wow
90% of this thread is just gossip about some cartoon creator and not actual character design discussion

[Anonymous No.6731051]

>>6730944
Post a single good design then.

[Anonymous No.6731065]

>>6731051
you'll probably have a meltdown if I post a design you don't think is good, so you should post one yourself first :)

[Anonymous No.6731079]

>>6716091
>thread goes from furrycancer to christcuckery to generic man in skin tight suit but he's a spic so its creative
top fucking kek

[Anonymous No.6731214]

>>6731079
ugly fat atheist cuck

[Anonymous No.6731689]

>>6731065
Easy.

[Anonymous No.6731757]

>>6725871
I can name like 6 excellent character designs of the top of my head. The issue is not any of this, the issue is the character looks visually bad and doesn't doesn't fit the character it's trying to portray. I didnt know this character was meant to:
>be in hell
>a high ranking demon
>beezlebub
Shitty color palette and no iconic elements. I hate a lot of viziepop's character designs but this one is especially bad to me.

Picrel good design. Good color palette, unique, design not too busy, you can pick up her personality and what she is meant to be instantly. If Jenny was a multi-colored fox that looked nothing like a robot with 6 clashing colors and a bunch of random detail tacked onto her outfit it would look bad, objectively.

[Anonymous No.6731799]

>>6725871
If your characters aren't unique no one will remember them.
Though I agree not every redesign of the vivzie pop oc is good, plenty of them are awful.
>>6731757
What this guy is saying.
>>6730391
Seriously. Her version of hell is awful. There is no effort in her world building.

[Anonymous No.6731836]

>>6731799
The worst part is she’s just some shitty recolor of the main character.

[Anonymous No.6732240]

She makes some good designs.

[Anonymous No.6732280]

>>6730426
>cAnCeL cULtUrE dOeSn'T eXiSt"
Eat lead, faggot

[Anonymous No.6732283]

>>6731757
that design is also bad, there ins no perspective or volume to it, looks like a cardboard cutout of simple geometric figures.

[Anonymous No.6732327]

>>6732240
The only good design Vivzie has ever made was Charlie's old design.

[Anonymous No.6732333]

>>6716091
>What makes a good design?
A magic power provided by elder gods of course, did you fell for just draw meme, heh, he doesn`t know.

[Anonymous No.6732349]

>>6732240
Nigger this is shit.

[Anonymous No.6732408]

I like it. It's fair to call the design too busy but I'm used to the show's style just being that way. It's kind of refreshing to see something animated that has so many details. It's too time-consuming for people to bother with it normally.
Yes, the original Beelzebub is a bee/fly thing but even though Bee is a furry she still has enough insect elements to tie her to the original. I think it's fine to take artistic liberties. Also, it looks like she has a true form that is more insect-like and she takes this form because reasons. It's probably easier to get hellhounds and other demons to give her their energy if she has an attractive form. And she's just cuter. The redesigns are really good but I don't feel excited by them.
Long live the adhd fennec fox lava lamp queen.

[Anonymous No.6732420]

>>6732408
God your taste is shit.

[Anonymous No.6732433]

>>6732283
There is slight perspective on the feet and hands.
She is supposed to be graphic and is designed with purpose. Being "flat" does not equal bad design.
Vivzies ocs have volume and perspective but are bad. All of the detail does not add to the character and clutters it.
>>6717953
It would be more interesting if the show dealt with awful people like that but shes too much of a pussy. What if hazbin was about slightly "bad" people trying to escape hell from the most monstrous people who rule the place? What happens if an awful person cheats the system?

[Anonymous No.6732438]

>>6732408
The only things insectoid on her are her wings and the ear tufts that look like the tips of long butterfly wings. I did not know this character was supposed to be/inspired by Beelzebub. The extra details add absolutely nothing and don't tell me anything about her.
Shes just awfully designed furry bait made to sell merch.

[Anonymous No.6732448]

>>6732438
>wings
>arms
>ear tufts
>eyes when she gets angry
Honestly, I think that's enough to signify an insect background. I don't think the princes have to look exactly like their original depictions. The show isn't a documentary, just inspired by that mythology. Also, her personality embodies the sin of gluttony and her body is partially made out of the honey she creates to get people addicted. It makes sense in the show's lore.
Looking at the other princes I think they also look different from the original. Did they also get this much pushback?
>furry bait made to sell merch
You're not wrong about that. Their merch game is strong. They probably could have made a stronger bee design work but a furry is a sure thing. But she's cute so who cares.

[Anonymous No.6732468]

>>6716091
>designs coombait demon werewolf furry thing by accident
>realizes a lot of fans fap to it
>'i know, i should just design another furry coombait, that way my dsign vomit cartoon will become relevant again!'
>fucks up
>???
>profit

[Anonymous No.6732471]

>>6716112
Bros...

[Anonymous No.6732473]

>>6716137
Cool but looks like something from pokemon or metroid and not a gayass overdesigned cartoon

[Anonymous No.6732481]

>>6732448
>wings
Not even noticeable.
>arms
Look like a human’s/furry. Not distinctly insect like.
>ear tufts
Not noticeable. Looks like a dog’s ears. Again, shit design.
>eyes when she gets angry
Not on her basic design. Completely situational and they don’t look like bug eyes.
>Also, her personality embodies the sin of gluttony
She stops you from being gluttonous.
>I think they also look different from the original.
They’re not good either, but they have stronger references to who they are. This is just her fursona made into Beelzebub. It has no focus and fails to depict the character it’s supposed to be. Fans didn’t know who it was. It’s a shit design.

[Anonymous No.6732484]

>>6716091
>What went wrong?
probably furfags.
This >>6716112 has nicer shape language, is thematically better and more interesting shit going on, but a lot of people LOVE the meme smug furfag trash in OP pic.

[Anonymous No.6732503]

>>6732481
What's wrong with your eyes that you can't notice anything? Is that why you like the design that was on the nose in your face that it was a bee? She has extra arms, that's the part that's insect like.
>She stops you from being gluttonous
She feeds off of your energy, so if you feel like shit it ruins the taste of the honey. Otherwise, she wants everyone to overindulge. Yeah, you'd think someone in hell would prefer suffering but that's how it is. I don't think people would like the show as much if it didn't reflect our morals and sentimentalities to some degree.
>they have stronger references to who they are
Do they? Asmodeous just looks like a fluffy bird blob to me. Maybe if someone explained it I would see it.
>This is just her fursona
She looks like Kesha's fursona if she had one.
>Fans didn't know who it was
And now they know. I don't think most people are well versed in demon lore so I don't really care that people didn't see it straight away. Now that you know you can see all of the easter eggs.
People are overreacting to the design and it's funny.

[Anonymous No.6732540]

>>6732503
>What's wrong with your eyes that you can't notice anything?
Maybe it’s all the colors and overdesign. But this isn’t just a me complaint. Nobody knew who it was until it was announced.
>She feeds off of your energy
Absolutely retarded to stop a gluttonous person from being gluttonous. And your excuse for it is poor. This is Hell. These aren’t supposed to be good beings. It’s their entire purpose.
>Do they? Asmodeous just looks like a fluffy bird blob to me
You don’t even know the princes description is to point out what they look like. Really retarded you’re defending her shit design when you don’t even know what the basis is.
>She looks like Kesha's fursona if she had one.
It’s literally her old fursona. She made it dance to some shitty Kesha song.
>And now they know
After it was explained to them you inbred tard. A design shouldn’t be a guessing game. This isn’t supposed to be a mystery. I like how you admit nobody knew who the fuck this was supposed to be, and then question why that’s an issue. You tried to argue it had enough of the bug motif to be recognizable but it’s completely muted by the overwhelming dog design. You completely fucked up your own argument and now you’re moving goalposts.

[Anonymous No.6732567]

>>6732540
>it's all the colors and overdesign
The overdesign includes the insect motif but okay.
>They're not supposed to be good beings
I know. I already said that it's influenced by the creator's morals. You can argue that's a bad idea but that's just what their white-washed version of hell is.
>you don't even know the prince's description
I looked at the picture and didn't see the resemblance. But there are people who are well read and autistic about this subject so maybe there are other versions I don't know about.
>it's literally her old fursona
If it's that blue wolf furry then I don't see much resemblance. I don't really care if it's her fursona or not anyway.
I didn't know much about the demon mythology, but if I knew it was a bee I think I could have been able to tell that's what she was. I don't know why people couldn't tell what she was but after her being introduced it should be obvious now. Once your eyes adjust to her admittedly busy design you can tell what they were going for.
I think she looks really good in movement and works well with the setting. Story-wise I think she helps Loona's character development and it makes more sense for her to be a dog like creature like her.

[Anonymous No.6732585]

>>6716112
>>6716112
This one is better but it needs a mouth.The general problem with Vivziepop designs are their complexity and composition. You kind of get used to them, but they can be difficult to read at first glance and the background art doesn't help at all. PengoSolvent has a similar air, but with better composition.

[Anonymous No.6732586]

>>6732567
> The overdesign includes the insect motif but okay.
Not even noticeable faggot. The dog design blatantly overshadows the little bug hints. Why is the bug aspects the minimal features yet the dog design is center stage?

[Anonymous No.6732590]

>>6732567
Bug motif. But the main design is a fucking fox. Creator has shit writing and design. You looked at a picture but not a description. Why are you even arguing this point when you don’t know anything about the being presented?
The fox is entirely based on her old fursona. That’s not an assumption it’s the entire point. Jesus Christ how can you defend a shit design and not even know the entire point of it? No, you know what. It does make sense you’d defend this. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. You ride her dick regardless of what she makes.

[Anonymous No.6732595]

>>6732586
It's not noticeable to you but it is for everyone else. Sounds like a you problem.
>Why is the bug aspects the minimal features yet the dog design is center stage?
Because in their world the gluttony ring is also where the hellhounds are born and live in. I'm guessing she morphed into a form that would make her loved and popular there, which is a good idea when you get a lot of your energy from parties and people's energy. Also, dogs are cute.

[Anonymous No.6732603]

>>6732590
>you looked at a picture but not a description
Yeah, I saw that he had multiple heads or something. Ozzy doesn't look like that. I don't know if people could tell who he is straight away but his design. But I'm not upset or worried about that because I don't care. I just think it's interesting that this design is the one people have a problem with. She's very much in line with the rest of the show's design so I would've thought people like you would've already been filtered a long time ago.
You people are so pretentious and up your asses about this it's funny. Normal people do not look at characters and admire their shape design or whatever. They see a cute glowing fox flying around and that's enough to be entertaining. Only the truly autistic would be this mad about straying this much from the original demon design. Please remember to take a shower, anon. I can smell you from here.

[Anonymous No.6732649]

>>6732595
>but it is for everyone else.
Except you admitted it wasn't because it had to be stated for people to know who it was. And your personal fanfiction doesn't make sense when it's her natural form. Even the bigger version was still a dog.
>Dogs are cute.
This has nothing to do with point that she should look like a bug first and foremost. It should not be an afterthought in the "lord of the flies" design.

[Anonymous No.6732654]

>>6732603
Dumb ass the character has multiple heads in the fucking show you inbred tard.
>Normal people do not look at characters and admire their shape design or whatever.
Yes they do you moron. Normal people recognize when a design is off. Be surprised that people actually care if the character looks nonsensical and doesn't make any sense. More people pointed out this design was shit than Ozmodeus and you even acknowledged that. That goes for her fans too. If people didn't care about design then the redesigns by fans wouldn't of gotten any attention. Be surprised that appearance is everything in a visual medium retard.
And the fact that you pointed out the shitty fox is only recognized because it glows and is a fox really kills your "bug motif is recognizable" argument. Find time to kill yourself. You are on an art board. This is for the discussion of art and that also means critique. And the overwhelming critique of this shitty thing is it looks nothing like Beelzebub. Cope.

[Anonymous No.6732655]

There's one faggot in this thread arguing this is a good design kek.

[Anonymous No.6732666]

>>6732649
I can forgive someone for not seeing it right away but after the insect aspects are pointed out it's pretty obvious. I think you're autistic for harping on how "you can't see it" when it actually is there. It's just more subtle.
>she should look like a bug first and foremost
Says who? It's their show and they can give her whatever design they want. They obviously recreated her to suit their interests and needs for the story. Who cares?
>>6732654
I pointed out that Ozmodeus doesn't look much like his original depiction, which people didn't seem to care about much.
>people care about design
Yes, but they're usually not as harsh as an esteemed art critic like yourself would be. The redesigns got attention because seeing characters reimagined is fun. It's really not that serious.
>And the fact that you pointed out the shitty fox is only recognized because it glows and is a fox really kills your "bug motif is recognizable" argument
I think you have poor reading comprehension, or I just didn't make myself clear enough. I said people like the character and most don't care that she's a fox because she's cute and it's enough to be entertaining. And when you look at the details you can see the bug motif which is good enough to tie her to Beelzebub.
Yes, of course you can criticize the design. I can see why people have issues with it. But people are overreacting and acting like their lives are ruined because of it. The show is heavily stylized and is reminiscent of deviantart, which is definitely not for everyone. But it is what it is. Were you there back in the day? You probably got pissed off at the weebs and furries back then because they got more attention than your still lifes lmao.
People who have this much hostility are always miserable little cunts. I'm sorry that you have BPD, but you need to remember to take your meds. Please take your meds and learn to regulate your feelings lol.

[Anonymous No.6732705]

>>6731214
Nice projection christnigger

[Anonymous No.6732743]

>>6731689
That must be the dumbest design for scissors that I've ever seen.

Also everything here looks inconveniently sized and doesn't make sense, how do you sell alpaca fur like that without bumping into everyone?

Can't really say anything about the character but the technical design is just horrible, I hate when artists try to make something look unique by making it oversized instead of focusing on making an interesting design

[Anonymous No.6732849]

>>6732666
You're a pathetic Viva. Go back to Twitter and hope nobody redesigns the next ugly thing you make.

[Anonymous No.6732851]

>>6732743
The scissors are old school sheep shears. And you're upset that the girl the is carrying oversized wool in one design. This is a pretty shit complaint.

[Anonymous No.6732901]

>>6732705
Atheistcucks will kill themselves before the age of 35

[Anonymous No.6732960]

>>6732849
You cant just assume that someone who defends a popular cartoonist is secretly that cartoonist.

[Anonymous No.6733283]

>>6732743
anon, did you just notice for the first time in your life that fantasy characters are fantastical or something? "muh realism" is such a braindead criticism, not everything falls into a narrow realistic aesthetic range.

[Anonymous No.6733416]

>>6732960
Viv browses 4chan because she's that desperate for kudos.

[Anonymous No.6733587]

How does this look like a bug? It’s a dog.

[Anonymous No.6735155]

>>6732433
>Vivzies ocs have volume and perspective
They don't have it at all, and all those details look bad because of it they just look painted on, and of course the fucking snout.

[Anonymous No.6735348]

>>6733416
I may have gotten her banned for breaking US Federal law.

[Anonymous No.6735540]

>>6735348
How?

[Anonymous No.6735542]

>>6732743
>it’s not realistic so it’s bad
/beg/ tier argument. ngmi

[Anonymous No.6735956]

>>6716091
Beelzebub never had anything to do with bees. Retard just saw something that looks like an english word and went with it

[Anonymous No.6735980]

>>6735540
Incitement to violence.

[Anonymous No.6736160]

>>6732240
Are you 12? These are awful

[Anonymous No.6736812]

>>6736160
Says you. It gets lots of fanart.

[Anonymous No.6737079]

>>6736812
Yes, from 12 year olds

[Anonymous No.6737179]

>>6737079
No from adults. Why are you hating?

[Anonymous No.6737663]

How do you gain an audience to watch crap?

[Anonymous No.6737795]

>>6737663
Vivz has always been pretty present with a decent following, since her teen years on DA. She was just very active in the community and would play around with gift art, RP, etc, on top of her personal projects. She knew since before going into animation school that her style had a unique, broad appeal (especially to her edgy-teen Invader Zim adjacent fanbase/market) and would be a major ticket to success, hence she was extremely protective of it, as well as an ambition she's held onto for years to seriously direct a series. She's always been excited about her own work and eager to share it, so she's always had some project or collab going on that ensured she didn't drop off the radar. Then she got names like Richard Horvitz in on the jig and smashed out of the park her own JTHM/IZ edgy-emo girl 2000s renaissance, except even more vulgar because that's her sense of humour and there's no censors.
Basically she knew her market, (she's part of her own market in a genuine sense), her strengths, and is pretty determined/stubborn about her 'vision' or goals in a way that makes her pretty difficult to push around and persistent/focused enough to actually achieve them. It's all a bit too edgy for me but I do think it's cool seeing her get to this point where the aspirations she was talking about/working towards decades ago actually happened/are happening.

[Anonymous No.6737805]

>>6737663
Market to people with similar mindsets and interests as you (mentally ill teenagers and manchildren).

[Anonymous No.6737818]

I don't get why people hate her art so much.
Maybe they just hate the artist herself, I don't have any opinions because drama is not of my interest.

I saw this animation many years back and was impressed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ocEs4FHHkk

Then years later that Hotel Transylvannia or whatever she made came out and it was also great animation fun, I was positively impressed once more.

Her designs are very noisy, overdesigned and what-have-you, and I do not enjoy alphabet people or furries, but I can still see a lot of appeal in her art execution.
Pic related, all designs I don't like, but the execution makes it interesting and visually appealing despite the bad taste.

Some designs even look good, I like that Cyclops bimbo and her Cyclops loli sister (?). Maybe I'm just a sucker for edgy, angular and over-the-top dynamic art, and people are not interested in it.
But I don't think anyone can argue it's not unique. Very strong identity.

[Anonymous No.6737829]

>>6737818
It's the combined hatred for furries and people succeeding with their art. That's it.
But this style isn't for everyone. If I saw a picture of that art style I would be reminded of deviantart and if it's not executed well it would be a bit cringy. But that didn't happen here. It's really novel that someone could get people together and create an animated series. That's why seeing these character designs is so refreshing. Nothing animated out there looks like this.

Online spaces are always really toxic and yes, this kind of series especially will attract all kinds of people, including those who are unhinged and need to harass others over a cartoon. Crazy.

[Anonymous No.6737847]

[Anonymous No.6739141]

>>6737847
Lol.
>>6737818
It’s not that it’s angular, it’s that it’s shit.

[Anonymous No.6739374]

>>6739141
Insightful opinion, convincing arguments, this anon has got it all.

[Anonymous No.6740250]

>>6739374
Cry more viv.

[Anonymous No.6740300]

>>6716091
>What makes a good design?
literally being popular and/or having marketing muscle behind your shit OC

[Anonymous No.6740321]

>>6740250
>sneakily bumping the thread pretending to be a shitposter
I do that sometimes. All's fair in love and /ic/, no rules, only tools.

[Anonymous No.6740322]

>>6740300
Mmm salty

[Anonymous No.6740328]

>>6740322
it's the truth. if a nobody made super mario or sonic today everyone would shit on him, but because they're million dollar IPs they're "timeless designs", "oh wow it's so simple yet effective". What a load of bullshit. You can see all the quacks bending themselves backwards to find a formula for good designs while the hard truth you can see is that all that matters is if you're popular by the time you shit it out or you pay for people to shill your product.

[Anonymous No.6740407]

>>6716137
If she could shift between this and >>6716112 this, I think that would have been an amazing design.

>>6716144
She seems to just have an overall terrible attitude, from what I've seen. Not sure if it's just extreme fatigue from being on the internet all the time, or if she's actually a massive cunt. Probably a bit of both.

[Anonymous No.6740876]

>>6740328
If this was true then corporations would never be able to fail at getting people to like a character design or franchise and independent artists would never be able to become popular.

[Anonymous No.6740914]

>>6740321
That’s not a joke. Viv is dogshit.

[Anonymous No.6740978]

>>6740876""
nobody talks about "character design" but artists
people just slurp things up, they don't care about "character design"
indie artists who don't parasitize popular IP or screech about lgbt will never get anywhere and corps make millions out of complete turds, so yes that is the case

[sage No.6741211]

>>6732743
imagine being this much of a dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.6741691]

>>6740978
Shovel Knight Hollow Knight Peppered Friday Night Funk Lackadaisy.
All have great designs. All new IPs. All beloved.

[Anonymous No.6741745]

>>6716169
>Respect her Hispanic heritage
>Latinx

No real Latina or Latino uses "Latinx", only American born posers on Twitter do.

>>6716091
Anyways, on the actual topic; the reason the "fixed" designs are stupid is because they overlook an important aspect of the character that her dog/fox/whatever embody; a romantic rival for loona. If she was strictly a bee, then the audience would have trouble equating her to loona, and wouldn't see Beelzebub as a genuine rival to her, only a temporary hurdle. But now that she's biologically more similar to the male in the love triangle, she has more lasting potential, because people would think "oh they can Interbreed" more likely than a dog and a bug. Big and dog just seems like a fling. The.bee pun is less important than the narrative function of the character.

[Anonymous No.6741746]

no matter how much you try to make literal demons appealing, people will always dislike it.

[Anonymous No.6741817]

>>6741745
>The.bee pun is less important than the narrative function of the character.
Damn, a literal example of coom being a literal plot point lmao

[Anonymous No.6742086]

>>6716091
Colors are all kinds of fucked. Since everything is some kind of bubblegum, it all competes for the eye's attention. Pic related - notice how many of the colors have a similar value.
Snout looks retarded. No coloring or change in angle from the eye make it look like it's shooting off towards the side of the face a la Picasso.
People mentioned the painted-on accessories, but I want to draw attention to the arms/torso. The torso is elongated to give space to the lower set of arms, but those look like shit. They're coming out from her spleen, and in that screenshot, they're not even at a consistent height, and the one on (our) right doesn't even have a shoulder!
Slender design does not impose. She's supposed to be a high-ranking demon, but she has no presence. She doesn't look intimidating, she looks like some throwaway haram girl.

>>6730703
Shadow has a kino design.
>inb4 "But it's just Sonic with spikes turned upwards
Yep. All of the Sonic furries have some kind of "base" that traces back to "Sonic but without quills." Turning them slightly upwards is the simplest adaptation, and strengthens his expressions in Adventure 2's 2D art (where he's mostly pointing his head downwards or looking down on the viewer).

[Anonymous No.6742101]

>>6742086
It's just a repainted mental illlness sideshave wolf furry with two more arms.

[Anonymous No.6742120]

>>6741745
I disagree. As long as the design is flashy and beautiful the dog character couldn't compete. Especially with the status.

[Anonymous No.6742613]

>>6741745
Use latinx fucking racist

[Anonymous No.6744189]

>>6742613
How's it racist to use the proper pronunciation and spelling of the language? Have you ever even been to Mexico?

[Anonymous No.6744964]

>>6737179
adults who want to be 12 or be inside a 12 year old yeah

[Anonymous No.6747166]

Why aren’t you making your own stuff?