/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6695784]

How do I get over the shame of being a failed artist?

[Anonymous No.6695800]

That's like saying you're a failed human bean if you don't get a job, work 24/7 on shit you don't even like only to generate taxes for the government.
Because that's what "succeeding" means.

Just quit or kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6695805]

Suceed.

[Anonymous No.6695895]

>>6695784
>could...but
>no blog
>doesn't know
>no art goals
>never posted

[Anonymous No.6695906]

>>6695784
just don't be ashamed.
redirect your mind to something else. give your shits to things that will make you happy.

[Anonymous No.6695935]

>>6695784
cut off ur ear and mail it to ur lover then go insane and kys and u'll be remembered as artistical martyr for generations to come

[Anonymous No.6695945]

>>6695800
The NPCs who do just that, work all day in a shitty job, smoke cigs, drink until they pass out, consider themselves winners and me losers. They see me drawing shitty anime and think "heh, I'd hate to be THAT guy". While hoping for me to not make it so they are justified in choosing their life path of being a wageslave. If I don't make it, then the world wins. If I don't make it, the universe wins. God made sure I had the lowest stats possible but I still managed to become an artist,, its like everything I do is in spite of the universe.

[Anonymous No.6695949]

>>6695784
Become Hitler.

[Anonymous No.6695951]

smoke weed idiot

[Anonymous No.6695968]

>>6695935
>perpetuating an untrue myth
He was a great painter all the same.

[Anonymous No.6695988]

>>6695935
>>6695968
He lost his ear in a sword fight with Gauguin, and didn't report it because Gauguin was his friend and roommate

Also, he was murdered by teenagers playing with a gun. He did not kill himself

[Anonymous No.6696259]

>>6695945
people who have this mentality about life, that the entire world is personally out to get them, need to stop doing that and forget about all their delusional fantasies of getting back at no one in particular

[Anonymous No.6696283]

>>6695784
You would have to accept it's okay to be a failed artist

[Anonymous No.6696289]

>>6696283
>it's okay to be a failed artist
care to explain why?

[Anonymous No.6696300]

>>6695784
My parents are hoping that one day I snap out of it, give up on being an artist and get a real job. I already make a living off art but I don't make much. Everyone acting like,I am an alcoholic who finally needs to admit he has a problem. They are all rooting for me to give up. I didn't think it would be this hard mentally, but holy shit I am struggling right now.

[Anonymous No.6696304]

>>6696289
Just accept you can't be anything you want.

[Anonymous No.6696327]

>>6695784
even a failed artist is better than being some loser video game player or something.

[Anonymous No.6696339]

>>6695945
You aren’t even making money with your /asg/ scribbles, weeb

[Anonymous No.6696373]

>>6695945
> Guys life is just like one of muh Japanese anime’s it’s everyone else’s fault that I’m a jobless neet

I think you need more than just a job anon, you need to be on meds

[Anonymous No.6696394]

>>6695784
Just draw bro

If it works out it works out if it doesn’t at least you tried

And sometimes, just sometimes, the struggle itself towards the height, is enough to fill a man’s heart

[Anonymous No.6696508]

>>6696327
I failed at every imaginable professional venue, from car seller to construction vehicle driver passing through criminal and disabled people assistant, and now being too old to do anything else than pursue my own true dream hoping that it's going to let me pay rent one day, knowing perfectly well that I'm not that good and years of substances and abuse from my family until my early twenties reduced my brain into a mush that's able to take exclusively bad decisions, thus being almost sure I'm never, never going to make it, I do have the unwavering belief that having said a couple years ago "fuck all this shit, I want to be an artist" redeemed my whole fucking shitty life.
And I grew to this conclusion not out of some esoteric reasoning, I fucking felt that I was doing the right thing for the first fucking time in my existence, and sure, I will bitch and moan when nobody gives a shit about my art because I want recognition and also buy food at least once a month, but I feel like I already won. I'm fucking satisfied just by being the kind of person I was supposed to be from the start

[Anonymous No.6696600]

>>6695945
You will die one day and the shit you did or earned because you desperately wanted to be worthy of society and increase your perceived value to get acknowledged and praised by other fags because you're a mofo suffering normie, won't mean jack.

All this shit does make people miserable and fuck shit up for others when they don't get it. Success isn't worth shit if you're so fucked up that you can't truly enjoy it but have to constantly look behind your back for anyone who might take it away from you.
That is an exact explanation of what you have posted.
>"hehe people all hate me and want me to fail BUT I'LL SHOW EM and make THEM fail"
You are exactly the type of people you worry about while projecting, coping with your situation on top of that and accusing others of the same crimes you're guilty of.

But as i am a magnanimous Anon, i'll give you the super secret recipe to "making it":
Stop giving a shit and go have fun. Money and Fame are fake and poison to the soul and the further away from normies you are, the better your life will be.

If i could do anything i wanted, i would just be a jobless neet and enjoy life.

[Anonymous No.6696950]

>>6696508
Ah, yes. The famous ikigai.
Hold on to it, really really tight.

[Anonymous No.6697004]

>>6695988
Gaugin was such a cocksucker, but who the fuck gets just their ear chopped off in a sword fight? who the fuck fights with a sword in the late 1800s?

[Anonymous No.6697009]

>>6695784
What happened that made you a failure OP? What made you label yourself a failure?
btw, even if you fail a million times the only thing stopping you is yourself. you have until the end of your life to get back up and try again. you have the power to keep going just as much as the power to stop this hobby altogether.

[Anonymous No.6697026]

Artists are just wannabe gods. Failure is the least of their worries. If you can't even accept the basis of failure. How will you be able to accept the imperfection of your creation? Do you think successful artists somehow don't accept the failure of their creations? A good artist accepts. A great artist utilizes. It is wabi-sabi, it is a fine line to thread. A make or break. Accepting defeat and failure is the core principle of art-making. You can never make a beautiful illusion without accepting the flaws of your own making. May the gods and muses guide us to a better tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.6697035]

>>6695784
live with the pain. but dont give up.
t. failed artist.

[Anonymous No.6697095]

>>6697004
Gauguin was apparently really good at fencing, and he might've aimed for the ear on purpose

[Anonymous No.6697252]

>>6697095
Gauguin was good at just about everything. It was part of why he had such a cult of personality in France. He was rugged, and manly, and adventurous, and pioneering in ways none of his contemporaries were, but aspired to be.

[Anonymous No.6697255]

>>6695784
Roundhouse kick a nigger into the pavement

[Anonymous No.6697256]

>>6697252
Nothing like the chad Gauguin dabbing on the virgin Van Gogh. Even after death Gauguin mogged Van Gogh by out selling him at the art auctions. It's even more funny when u consider his art looks like someone who just did the bare minimum compared to Van Gogh who supposedly pour his heart and soul into every painting. Truly a giga Gauchad.

[Anonymous No.6697258]

>>6697252
Nothing like the chad Gauguin dabbing on the virgin Van Gogh. Even after death Gauguin mogged Van Gogh by out selling him at the art auctions. It's even more funny when u consider his art looks like someone who just did the bare minimum compared to Van Gogh who supposedly pour his heart and soul into every painting. Truly a giGauchad.

[Anonymous No.6697389]

>>6697258
>Does the bare minimum
the chad is the other guy then

[Anonymous No.6697403]

>>6697389
based. you just murdered him

[Anonymous No.6700393]

>>6696300
keep at it man

[Anonymous No.6700410]

>>6695784
Anon, where did you get this pic of me?

[Anonymous No.6700471]

>>6695784
>Draw for profit
Have you considered just drawing for fun?

[Anonymous No.6700636]

>>6696300
realest post. I feel like a huge freak, even though I've been doing nothing but nonstop work

[Anonymous No.6700860]

>>6695784
Literally me. Just find God bro.

[Anonymous No.6700864]

>>6695784
by laughing, you tried hard and your pieces ended up like a shit-post. Just laugh ffs, ignore all the other people saying to quit or kys. Just take humor with your artwork, understand that you will always have mistakes and a little humility with that will go a long way. Imagine how funnily bad some of the most famous artist's early drawings were, just cause you fail doesn't mean you should be discouraged, go learn what you did wrong and grow off of it.

[Anonymous No.6702591]

Get teal

[Anonymous No.6702605]

There's no such thing as a failed artist since being an artist is not a real job

[Anonymous No.6702689]

>>6702605
U ever heard of the foley artist? They get paid for strictly making the background sound of tv shows, films, or games.

[Anonymous No.6702702]

Everybody who has become something has failed more times than your weak will can handle. Let that sink in.

[Anonymous No.6703014]

>>6695784
Extrrnalize it into your work. Shame is very relatable thing.

[Anonymous No.6703035]

>>6695784
i am a perma/beg/ and i was pretty sad because of it, my drawings never show much improvement and i can't understand a lot of things. I was thinking about stop drawing all together and get another hobbie.
one day i said fuck it, i am just going to continue drawing no matter how awful my shit is because even if i suck at it, i like doing it.
So maybe you can find comfort in that you may not be the best at drawing but at least you can enjoy it

[Anonymous No.6703070]

>>6695784
read agnes:
https://anneflournoy.com/agnes-martins-notes

[Anonymous No.6703860]

>>6695784
you stop hanging around and listening to people who encourage you to fail.

[Anonymous No.6703999]

>>6703070
>Work is self-expression. We must not think of self expression as something we may do or something we may not do. Self expression is inevitable.
i love her. makes me feel a lot better about pursuing work as a commercial artist.

[Anonymous No.6704052]

>>6695784
Man I’ve been working on an Kickstarter project for a guy… been paid to illustrate for six months. It finally launched and no ones backed. Feels bad

[Anonymous No.6704055]

>>6704052
At least you got paid

[Anonymous No.6704057]

>>6704055
True, and I’ve got some good stuff for a portfolio, if it’s even possible to get a drawing gig. But I think he had a lot riding on the project doing well.

[Anonymous No.6704984]

>>6695784 You don't know you've failed until your deathbed.

[Anonymous No.6704992]

>>6704052
>kickstarter
Man after the diaster of Ouya, Mighty nine, and scams like Star Citizen, are people still using it?

[Anonymous No.6704995]

>>6695784
If you're already "failed" as an artist, then that means there's no more pressure or expectations on your to do one thing or another. You're free to study and explore to your hearts content, may it be a scribble every so often, or intense self-study.

You're free to do as you want, so if you love to draw, then draw to your heart's content.

[Anonymous No.6705011]

>>6695784
I don't think I have enough confidence or self-esteem to do art. Sometimes my art comes out pretty well but it's only when I have rare bursts of confidence that I can actually make something decent.

Personally I've been debating either giving up on art till I fix my self-esteem or just giving up on it entirely

[Anonymous No.6705017]

>>6695784
I keep coming back to this, who do you think the first "failed artist" was? Back before there was the concept of art, someone made cave art. That someone existed before you could "fail at art", he existed in pure art-making. He was discovering, inventing the field from first principles.
Why are you a failed artist? Because there are other good artists around, because you have a notion of success. But wait, isn't that all in your head? Yes. Yes it is.

[Anonymous No.6705444]

>>6695784
You can cope by realizing you are in the company of the vast majority of artists

[Anonymous No.6705482]

>>6695784
unironically me. i do have goals but they're far reaching and it'll be a long time until they come to fruition but i have nothing else going on in my life so i'm completely dedicated to making it happen.

i've also considered divorcing myself of my art entirely. i almost don't wish to have art be tied to 'me'. for some time now i've entertained the idea of completing a drawing and immediately trashing or burning it. not because i'm unhappy with it but because i have no use for it. i think that's ultimately what i hope to achieve with my art. there's a scene in a Buddhist movie called 'Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring' where a priest writes sutras on a stone with nothing but a brush and water. as soon as he finishes writing the character it's already disappeared and he continues on to the next one.

[Anonymous No.6705650]

>>6695784
You become a successful artist.

[Anonymous No.6705792]

>>6695800
>>6695945
>why should I eat my veggies, exercise, do chores, brush my teeth, go to work, do all this stuff that's not fun!?

it's fine if you don't want to work and go live on the street, woods or w.e, but if someone else has to work twice as hard to change your dipper while you believe you're some chosen special artist that's going to make it big then you really are just a loser

[Anonymous No.6705841]

>>6695784
just go draw you fucking loser, no one is stopping you except yourself

[Anonymous No.6705852]

>>6705792
>"I have to work twice as hard to change your diaper"
Isn't that great tho? You get to jerk off and cum publicly twice as much!
Who's a good low iq wageslave? You are!

[Anonymous No.6705934]

>>6696327
How about gamers that play games where you draw? Shocking!!!

[Anonymous No.6705936]

>>6695945
i work all day in a shitty job and smoke cigs

i would cut off my balls and serve them on a golden platter to be able to just draw and not wage but unfortunately i need to pay my rent and eat

if you have the ability to draw as much as you want and not worry about homelessness every second you're awake, then you have higher stats than at least 95% of the population

but you want to complain about how the world is against you? fuck off

[Anonymous No.6705983]

>>6697403
source?

[Anonymous No.6707164]

>>6705852
did mommy help you write that like she helps drive you around, change your dipper and tie your shoes big boy?

[Anonymous No.6707176]

>>6705852
>I.. I'm actuallly h.. high Iq
might be a shock but if you need mommy to drive you around, tie your shoes and change your dipper as an adult you're probably not doing too great in the iq department

[Anonymous No.6707467]

>>6696600
>money and fame don't matter bro! just be neet and everyone will throw themselves at you!
terrible post

[Anonymous No.6707732]

>>6695784
You need to finish creating, no matter the time. Look for a labouring job.

[Anonymous No.6709296]

>>6695784
Drawing.
Just keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.6709305]

>>6709296

[Anonymous No.6710442]

>>6709305
Gay

[Anonymous No.6710451]

>>6695784
The only failure is never trying and you didn't try if you never even posted anything.

[Anonymous No.6710670]

>>6697004
>who the fuck fights with a sword in the late 1800s?
Germans were literally doing it until the 1930's when, funnily enough, the NSDAP banned the practice of dueling over reasons of public safety. A lot of high ranking German officials during the war even still had duelling scars from their boyhood.

[Anonymous No.6710694]

>>6695784
you cant be a failed artist until you're dead. as long as you can put a pen to paper you can create art at any time

[Anonymous No.6710695]

>>6695784
You keep going.

[Anonymous No.6710898]

>>6695784
https://chat.openai.com/c/af716095-8a3a-42b9-8e29-e270c5b2423a

[Anonymous No.6711544]

>>6695784

You failed at obtaining success.

There are those that failed at learning anything creative or useful and resent it, mirroring their effective failures upon others.

The most earning artists online are those that just paint coomer content, because world is full of sick fucks that want their fetishes coming to fruition by those that have the skill they don't.

There is always a difference between failing commercially but you create something original and failing because you have no skills: first is due to people being sheep, second is because you willingly did not make enough effort.

[Anonymous No.6711762]

>>6695784
>distant dream
Well, it's nice to dream, I hope you can cross that distance
>spends free time drawing
Sounds like you're working on it
>could get commissions
Do you want to do commissions? You don't need to if you don't need the money, you can draw what you like if you prefer that or post art for free in draw threads on the chan where you can also see what other people's art is like, no pressure
>has no blog
If you want one, make one
>hasn't made friends in years
If you want friends, get them
>not as good as he wants to be
get better then
>wasted adolescence trying to go pro
you were pursuing a goal, was it really all for nothing when your dream is still alive? spilled milk anyway, but at least you chose this and weren't forced into things you despised like some other people I know
>doesn't know why he draws anymore
figure it out
>draws just to draw
sounds good to me
>aimless, no art goals
clearly you do have goals, like trying to be better and wanting to share your work if you feel that its good enough
>made account, never posted
idk if that site still exists, but if you have an acccount somewhere, you can just post there?
>How do I get over the shame of being a failed artist?
More like, the shame of not reaching your art goals sooner. You can still work towards your goal if that's what you want to do. It's okay to not be overly productive, op, you're not an art output machine, you're a living being who can just vibe and take their time or die trying, chill out or stop chilling out if you think it hinders you. Maybe write down your feelings goals and vent to yourself, that can help with figuring out why you're stuck, although it's also good to share these things and get help and feedback

[Anonymous No.6711774]

>>6710695
>loses ur country
should've surrendered

[Anonymous No.6712155]

>>6710670
Fraternities in Germany, Switzerland, and Austria are still duelling to this day.

[Anonymous No.6712178]

>>6695784
become a sucessful artist

[Anonymous No.6712795]

>>6695784
youre not a failed artist until you turn 30 without making it. once you reach that old age your time is up and you cant do anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmeFD893MgI

[Anonymous No.6712807]

>>6711762
not OP and I didn't really need it because I thought the same for most points but thanks for that dose of reassurance, you're cool anon

[Anonymous No.6712814]

>>6705792
Nobody should have to work at all.
Society is a scam and you've put all your ego into maintaining it no matter how hard it fucks you over.

I've legit spent time at communes and small villages while traveling around. They work a couple hours a day and there's food, warmth and shelter to spare.

The weirdest part is it's not rich people's fault either, at least not the entrepreneurs, they've already figured out they'd be better off completely eliminating humans from production and just giving away the cash to buy their products to people. The problem is the fucking government also realizes the second they allow that to happen they become obsolete.

[Anonymous No.6712824]

>>6712814
You’re either a genius or a crackpot. Drop some links so I can do some further reading.

[Anonymous No.6712847]

>>6712814
there is no way we would have things like electricity if everyone only worked "a couple hours per day". those small towns only have things like computers, cars and other advanced technology because they are transported from industrial centers

[Anonymous No.6712886]

>>6712847
Electricity doesn't require a million retards breaking their back every day. Production is already 99% automated and most human work is done in maintenance and surveillance that aren't real 8-9 jobs, most of the time you're just sitting on your ass getting blasted by the sun waiting in case a failure is reported which you could do from home if the infrastructure was intelligent and able to detect failures and alert the closest repair crew.

Every time someone points out we really don't need to work as hard as we do, it's always "but the most fucked up situation hurr durr" and not how easily the situations that keep people doing shitty jobs could be solved.

[Anonymous No.6712890]

>>6712814
>>6712886
i asked you to post some stuff for me to read, but apparently you're just talking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.6712899]

>>6712886
>Production is already 99% automated
this is what happens when your entire education is youtube videos, lel

[Anonymous No.6712902]

>>6712899
also i noticed there's a correlation with this mashed potato idea about how the economy works and someones propensity to be an artist. i think it's why a lot of artists lean left and quite a few are communists. absolutely no clue about how anything works, never worked on a farm, never worked in a factory, just had either service industry jobs (working in a restaurant / retail store) or went from college into creative / white collar work like coding, or just unemployed.

basically, you don't know anything about how anything works.

[Anonymous No.6712970]

>>6712902
Companies being able to sustain the economy through UBI, if we get rid of the government's dirty hands in social security, is actually a right-wing idea. Wage theft is bullshit, but surplus value through massive scale production is 100% real and being threatened by all the fake jobs draining capital through taxes that don't translate to improved social wellness and suppressed wages that don't translate to sales.

The right is not against social security, it's against discriminatory "aid" managed by a corrupt aristo-bureaucracy that denies social security to people who don't bow down to big brother.

We will either let the real useful professionals continue to work real jobs and accept our role as mere consumers and leisure workers. Or we're gonna be seeing $20 apples and oranges soon when forced employment kills the economy of scale.

[Anonymous No.6713470]

by gitting gud

[Anonymous No.6713485]

the idea of a "failed artist" is so american...i don't understand why you think everything has to be some trick to make money out of

[Anonymous No.6713486]

>>6712847
Power plants require people there, but not to the degree that you're thinking of. If they hired more people, individuals wouldn't have to necessarily work that many long hours.

[Anonymous No.6713490]

>>6713485
Because they're trying to kill you, and they make that very clear by intentionally displaying hobo tent cities.

[Anonymous No.6713494]

>>6696327
Actually no! The gamer doesn't have the unwarranted self-importance.

[Anonymous No.6713568]

>>6712814
>I've legit spent time at communes and small villages while traveling around. They work a couple hours a day and there's food, warmth and shelter to spare.
ok go live in those shithole villages then

[Anonymous No.6715019]

>>6713485
Wow leftwing propaganda from eu is everywhere.

[Anonymous No.6715218]

>>6695784
Become a hobbist artist and throw that weight away.

[Anonymous No.6716180]

You never fail until you give up anon..get up and try again..and again..and again..and again

[Anonymous No.6716199]

>>6695784
I have fully embraced trash. I love trash, I am trash. My art is shit probably but it's just fun to make garbage to offend people with.

[Anonymous No.6716202]

Nobody has spare attention to consider your artistic accomplishments. Just don't bring it up or sketch around them.

Seems like we're headed into a financial depression in the west so you probably never had a chance anyways.

[Anonymous No.6718354]

>>6695784
You only fail when you give up get back up and try again

[Anonymous No.6718357]

distance yourself from those vile wojak drawings. they have a poisonous aura no wonder you're "failing" at art

[Anonymous No.6718361]

>>6718357
Also some helpful advice just post your art online trust me there is an audience for LITERALLY every skill level lmao plenty of non-artists (and artists) don't have a single aesthetic bone in their body. Also "going pro" is overrated just do what you want and naturally build up your skills over time instead of trying to artificially boost them to meet the expectations of a soulless corporation.