/RLG/ - Red Line General II

[Anonymous No.6690796]

Your work will be redlined here

[Anonymous No.6690860]

previous thread >>6650734

[Anonymous No.6690863]

[Anonymous No.6690866]

>>6690796
Thanks for the second thread anon, though having an op pic from the last thread like >>6686507 >>6689130 >>6689317 would be nice to differentiate threads in the catalog at a glance for next time.

[Anonymous No.6690882]

>>6690863
There you have it. You have an issue here, you obviously are trying to do "that" anime girl wich is hard to get right. It's not enough to say, study anatomy, grind figure, etc. Because once you get "everything right" then you need to tweak and bend that real anatomy into "this". For that you need to get your appeal game really high.

Do lots of sketches, long legs, nimble arms, I hate to say this, but "gesture" is important here. The "loli" anime girl is all about appeal and gesture of the highest order.
Hope it helps, good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.6690884]

>>6690863
I'm not >>6690882, but I agree with everything he has to say, though I'd like you to focus all your energy on figure drawing. You do have great skills, but it just seems like you poured all your skill points into copying anime faces. You need to start doing figure drawing and anatomy, if you want to get the body right. Construction is really your main issue here.

[Anonymous No.6690886]

>>6690860
thanks for this anon. I totally forgot about that.
>>6690866
Thanks anon! My apologies. I've considered that option, but then I thought that it would be "cool" to leave the same image with a big number as ID? Maybe is not that cool LOL!
I don't believe this is a popular thread but a "service counter", like, you come here to get your car washed, grab a bottle of water and go back to the road to have fun. I don't know.

[Anonymous No.6690903]

>>6690886
Hmm I see where you're coming from, well whatever you decide on later, the roman numeral motif is nice. Though showcasing different artists in the op usually leads to reoccurring participation from them, a dastardly move indeed, their work is exhibited and they feel more compelled to draw again >:)

[Anonymous No.6691271]

I really struggle with my poses feeling stiff, despite doing gesture practice - any advice on this piece?

[Anonymous No.6691279]

>>6691271
Are they supposed to be grabbing the apple from the table behind them or just holding it outwards?

[Anonymous No.6691283]

>>6691279
just holding it kinda loosely at her side

[Anonymous No.6691284]

>>6691271
other than changing the whole pose, you could lower the camera and make the viewer look up at the character. The perspective makes for a very natural tilt.

[Anonymous No.6691290]

>>6691284
oh I like that, that feels much nicer. thank you, friend

[Anonymous No.6691294]

>>6691290
np! Keep doing your gestures and anatomy, and you’ll be fine

[Anonymous No.6691296]

>>6690863
>>6690884
Finally I made time to do this quick thing. I wanted to explain what I said here >>6690882

In your original pic the pose you did, I immediately read that, as the classic ballerina pose (don't know the name), where they do that cute salute bending the body forward and extending the dress. If that was your intention, you succeeded, I totally got your idea. Then, I "should" say: go look the reference for the pose, but that would not work. I did my own version, I didn't used any reference, I did something I feel it looks good, for the theme and the subject. Reference is too real, too human.

Ok, then I said, do "gesture", wich I hate because that's an advanced tool. But you're looking for something beyond reference. So, do the "gesture" thinking in long skinny legs and arms, fluid, nimble, slender, like one of those bugs you know. So I do that scribble in the middle. That's FAR from any reference, I'm throwing reference out of the window. (That's way I don't recommend "gesture" for a beginner, again). But anyway, once I got that gesture scribble, I build the subject with that guide, and right there you need all the soul and appeal you can get.
So that's what you're looking for anon.I saw your pics on the board, that ms painter style you do, and I recon you're very good, you have the potential to give it a go at this. Just let the thing flow, use a big canvas so you can extend the lines. You can totally do it. Because you do like the subject, and you know the theme, and you're good. Just have fun.

[Anonymous No.6691311]

>>6691271
>>6691283
I think the stiffness comes from the arm with the apple. Her pose doesn't feel relaxed, particularly that arm. It's sticking out too far from the body I think. If it was closer and more down like her other arm I think it loosen the pic up some. Sometimes I get up and mimic my pose and see how natural it feels (if possible) and that can help.

Also consider the pose and what you're trying to say with it--either about the character or the scene as a whole. >>6691284 Like this one, looking up at her makes the scene feel a bit more dynamic and her more powerful/grand.

[Anonymous No.6691316]

>>6691284
Wow, you make that look so easy lol You totally remade it with only 3 or four lines. Nice.

>>6691311
Dude this is like a magic trick or something. It is the exact same pose, but yours totally has "that" you know. It's the hip.. right? Just the hip slant and the hand turned around does the trick. amazing.

[Anonymous No.6691330]

>>6690796
The sequel everyone was waiting for

[Anonymous No.6691331]

>>6691330

[Anonymous No.6691820]

keep up the good work. redlinefags are my favorite ic posters. I hope these things can happen more often
when they have the time, of course

[Anonymous No.6691876]

>>6690882
tysm anon
>>6690884
I agree I'll try to do figure drawing today.
I've been working on drawing hands and feet as well.
>>6691296
thanks again
i'll look into incorporating more gesture practice as well.
also here's is the lineart I did hopefully applying the redline as good as I can

[Anonymous No.6691928]

>>6691876
=O Anon That looks beautiful! Her face looks even better than before. Remember, this is your work, you can tweak and bend the design and anatomy to fit your own idea of "appeal", own it, and you can draw whatever you want with grace and confidence.

[Anonymous No.6692008]

[Anonymous No.6692015]

Please slaughter my drawing, I'm just trying basic poses right now while building skill

[Anonymous No.6692049]

>>6692015
focus on bony landmarks and feeling the structure underneath. Copy Bridgman 5 times

>>6691316
>You totally remade it with only 3 or four lines
tyy, Bridgman is an inspiration for that. I heard he would wipe down his student's drawings and do a redraw in like 30 seconds with big thick black lines, and I've been emulating that

[Anonymous No.6692053]

>>6692015
I've nhever drawn furry before and am not a regular redliner.
I hope that's okay, I tried my best
I'd say pay attention to exadegerating the curve near the waste toward that angle.
practice drawing hair it doesn't ready very well
good luck anon

[Anonymous No.6692057]

>>6692053
"ready" very well? Could you elaborate on that term? Also whoops forgot to mention this is just my lines layer

[Anonymous No.6692062]

>>6692057
sorry I meant read well

[Anonymous No.6692064]

>>6692053
If you are doing it as an exercise, then all good, but your skills are nowhere near good enough to help others. your redline is worse than the original art you tried to fix.

[Anonymous No.6692065]

>>6692008
I would say the proportions are a bit weird, the elbows should line up with the stomach. If the arm is foreshortened, try to make use of overlap to show that. Otherwise, really great sketch

[Anonymous No.6692066]

>>6692064
Alright
I understand
Please disregard the post anon

[Anonymous No.6692071]

>>6692062
Think so? I suppose the hair's a little weird but I'm trying to imitate the style of the show she's from
>>6692066
Nah bro it's all good, I appreciate actually getting responses. Too many time I get literally no feedback on a drawing and then when it's finished people tell me what's wrong with it

[Anonymous No.6692079]

>>6692015
Anon please, we don't slaughter, this is an hospital institution, we take care, wound and rebuild your art... Because We Care..LOL

The other Liner bro helped you nicely already. But I did this one before checking, anyways. Get the shapes right, then feed the shapes and then give them movement. She's a hot fur btw.
Keep at it anon.

[Anonymous No.6692084]

>>6692079
Right is a really nice drawing, but something... different about her.... proportions? I can't quite put my finger on it....

[Anonymous No.6692087]

>>6692053
I just missed your post/work, please if you want to check again post it. I like to see progress WIPs and other variations. We can help each other. This is an art board. Don't worry.

[Anonymous No.6692090]

>>6692015
>>6692064
okay I drew it with using a program that isn't mspaint.
This is just an exercise
how does it look now?

[Anonymous No.6692092]

>>6692084
Yes, In the (side) second picture, I did a "redraw", with a totally different shape. Wich I believe is the goal, to make an appealing design/pose in a pin-up style. That's just one way to do it. But that's the basic idea.
I wasn't going to make the first one with the "realistic" proportions, but, it is always useful.

[Anonymous No.6692095]

>>6692065
>elbows should line up with the stomach
Well damn, that changes everything. thanks for that. Also, yeah I was trying to foreshorten that arm and trying to use cylinders to match it, 2nd attempt, but I'll study more later.

[Anonymous No.6692100]

>>6692095
looks really good! Great job!

[Anonymous No.6692101]

>>6692087
okay here was what the post was I managed to find it,
>>6692090
and this was the attempt at an exercise to makeit better.

[Anonymous No.6692106]

>>6692090
Thanks for posting man. Yes her upper body is perfect, after the hips the proportions gets wonky. Again, I believe this an issue related to the canvas size, I mean you don't need a 5000x5000px canvas but enough to make your eyes see your figure in "context". As a whole, at a "distance", to pick up things. Also using the mirror key is essential. Many times I post stuff mirrored by mistake lol.
But it's an easy fix, just keep at it man. Just a little bit of tuning up, and you're golden.

[Anonymous No.6692108]

Alright, how about now? i tweaked her head to have a better sense of 3 dimensional space, altered her waist a bit to account for hip protrusions, fixed her navel, and when I drew a skeleton inside her I noticed her right leg was off so I fixed it. Only thing before I start working with color and shading is I can't shake the feeling her upper body is still a bit off in the somewhat relaxed pose I have. Specifically, her right armpit and her left upper chest/proximal arm area. Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.6692118]

>>6692101
Ok! I see now. Yes I understand. The original picture had a proportion issue from the start, in particular her legs. You used those legs as a guide without resizing them. I understand what you did.
the first thing I do once I paste the pic in my program is to resize up the canvas by a thousand pixels or so, So I can have blank space all around the figure to see what needs to be extended if necessary legs, arms, the whole body. You never know. If I don't do that from the start, I will always start with the wrong foot, being guided by the wrong proportions from the start.
That's what happened to you I think. Just open up the canvas all around to see the figure as a whole. that's very important.
Keep at it anon.

[Anonymous No.6692124]

>>6692118
>proportion issue from the start
>in particular her legs
Just how many things do I get wrong without noticing?

[Anonymous No.6692127]

>>6692108
That's why I did the second picture, the most important tip imo >>6692079
You have your figure, proportions are right, now what? Do you like her? You can do much better. Make her sexy, bend the torso and slant the hips, always works.

[Anonymous No.6692138]

>>6692127
So basically this lineart my noob ass did five times over with at least 6 hours of work is now merely an acceptable reference for just a different drawing entirely since there's no way transform can simply put the torso and hips in a different pose?

[Anonymous No.6692144]

>>6692101
Just one more thing I forgot. It's important, the leg is bending towards the camera as well, with makes it much more difficult to show with lines. You need to clearly express the foreshortening of the leg, and then bam, it all makes sense, right? But that is really hard to do with the pixel brush style you used there as well. But the important thing is to understand what the figure is doing and how "ok" are the proportions in relation to that.

[Anonymous No.6692152]

>>6692066
Oh, I didn't mean to make you delete it. So sorry anon.
If you want to make these, you should keep going. As I said, it's definitely good exercise and a perfect excuse to draw.

[Anonymous No.6692156]

>>6692079
Why do you always draw the boob nipples pointing to the sides like this?
You do realize this looks wrong and "muh style" doesn't help your case?

[Anonymous No.6692162]

>>6692090
It's hard to say, cause the issue is the chicken scratched line-art. They aren't called redLINES for nothing. They are supposed to be correct and tight.
tl;dr it's not a software issue.

But keep going.

[Anonymous No.6692171]

Alright, I think I have something just a little more alive without compromising my intent of a relaxed, casual pose
Now if only I can figure out how the hell to draw her upper chest and proximal arm area, doesn't help that not a single suggestion I have seen was consistent at all

[Anonymous No.6692186]

>>6692138
Lol, Those 6 hours are important man, your goal is to do sketches really fast, without thinking "what the pose is", just whatever you start, you do it, and finish it as quick as you can. Just draw, draw and draw, built that construction logic so it will be second nature.
There, I've started it in picrel, now you go continue the grind, keep at it man. Just have fun

[Anonymous No.6692192]

>>6692186
Is the "amateur" picture really so bad? What the fuck anon those look like the synthoil "body builders"

[Anonymous No.6692197]

>>6692192
Redline them then

[Anonymous No.6692201]

>>6692186
great drawings

>>6692192
you are nothing. you will never amount to anything

[Anonymous No.6692202]

>>6692197
Alright

[Anonymous No.6692204]

>>6692192
Thou shalt not criticize porn on /ic/、or suffer the wrath of coomers!

[Anonymous No.6692205]

>>6692186
EXCELLENT WORK AS ALWAYS PIXEL COOMER

[Anonymous No.6692211]

>>6692202
悪いな。。。

[Anonymous No.6692224]

What the fuck has my Loona drawings wrought upon this thread

[Anonymous No.6692280]

Still trying to get the hang of drawing people as well as drawing them sitting down but still difficult.

[Anonymous No.6692290]

>>6692171
Cool, from the first pic, you added "mass" the shapes. It is like building an sculpture adding material. Keep at it, seeking the right shape. As long as the construction is solid you'll be ok.
>>6692192
I made a pic for you <
>>6692201
Thank you so much anon
>>6692202
Cool redlines, thanks!
>>6692205
Thank you so much! Sorry for my lack of pixels. I promise I'll finish the IC[U]. I'm more interested in the other (muh-soul muh-journey), but it's too ambitious.
>>6692224
That's your OC? She's hot, I hope you like the pics.

[Anonymous No.6692298]

>>6692280
a good trick I learned is to think of the knee as a ball. It should have it's own mass and weight and shape, because that's where the end of the femur and tibia join. Michelangelo used a ball for the knee, when drawing a leg in foreshortening. You can never go wrong thinking of your figures more and more as a plastic / wooden doll

>>6692290
your sketches are so energetic and playful, I love that about you

[Anonymous No.6692339]

>>6692290
Oh dude I WISH I had invented an OC as hot as Loona, she's from an indie youtube shows called "Helluvaboss". Honestly the story and character writing really went down the shitter recently but she's basically the only intact character left, for now and of course I love her design so I like to draw her. Taking a break for a little while because my eyes are tired, I haven't really shaded with color in digital yet so i want to do some practice scrap drawings before actually filling her in. But thanks for the drawings! I see you really like muscles

[Anonymous No.6692346]

>>6692186
Vary your lineweight a bit more.
And also, what this anon said >>6692156
You seem like you have a pretty good grasp of forms and anatomy. Why do you draw boobs this way? Just personal preference?
If you are trying to help people with redlines, I think you should stick to realism.

[Anonymous No.6692356]

>>6692298
Thank you I have almost no experience drawing legs much just only got the hang of drawing pelvis but thinking of them as a ball and socket could help thank you.

[Anonymous No.6692415]

[Anonymous No.6692416]

[Anonymous No.6692424]

>>6692346
WAOW... I can not believe you did this. Thank you so much man! I'm saving this.
Yes when I do redlines for anons I stick to realism. But when I draw for fun "muh style" is pretty loose, it is like stretching the legs you know? When you're hunched for hours and hours, scribbling something methodical and "precise" totally unrelated to art that tension builds up, and you just want to scratch the damn screen with a ice pick and scream, you know...? Well I grab a clean canvas and do this scribbles as fast as I can, and that relaxes me. I'm a poor fag, so I can't grab a mustang and punch it 0 to 100, so I do this... lol. That's why I dont use line weight, (pressure sensitivity) I would go NUTS redoing lines again and again looking for the right line. My OCD would kill me with that.

About TITS. What the hell is with all the TIT and NIP obsession here? Don't blame them though. There I did some booba scribbles for you, so you can study my psychology I guess? Yeah man I love tits, maybe I try to do something out of the ordinary for a reason I don't understand. If the nipple is on the side, maybe I take it as something dynamic? like it has movement or "weight"? I dunno.

Anyway thanks for the drawing man. Can't believe you did that. It's awesome.

[Anonymous No.6692431]

>>6690796
Doll from one piece. Black clothing is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.6692437]

>>6692356
im glad i could help!

[Anonymous No.6692457]

>>6692416
Hi anon, cool pic! I've always admired artists who dare to do these cool perspective compositions. I don't know where to begin. I just did something very simple on the left, those basic boxes on perspective are the guides to do what you want to do. After that is all on you. I did the best that I could in the little time I can put into this.
I hope it can help, man. Keep doing epic pics anon.

[Anonymous No.6692461]

>>6692298
>your sketches are so energetic and playful, I love that about you
Thank you so much, seriously. Much appreciated.
>>6692431
Cool, cool, I watch your posts in the ms paint thread, I love them. You're good already, and having fun with it, I recon. Thanks for sharing man!

[Anonymous No.6692465]

>>6692416
>>6692457
woo, I did one too, but you got to post yours first >:(

The only thing I have to add is that I think you should go back to the basics and work on building your figures from the ground up, using boxes, cylinders, and spheres. An up angle shot of a figure is very difficult, and it can only be understood if you do it through basic forms. I recommend the Michael Hampton book for this. Follow it up with Bridgman or Morpho

[Anonymous No.6692469]

i know those nipples are trashy but I did them to show perspective.

[Anonymous No.6692615]

Started drawing this ages ago and kept putting it off because I kept finding stuff I dindn't like.
Aside from the balloon tit anything else that can be changed? Redline please

[Anonymous No.6692639]

>>6692615
The anatomy is ok man. I think the issues could be other than your art skills. Are they lying on a metallic floor? Didn't felt to hot about this pic, at all. I know this is not what we do here (questioning artistic decisions and taste in storytelling) But, since I'm doing that "redline", I could express my lack of enthusiasm about the picture, lol.
I hope you resume the project and also find inspiration to do something hot.

[Anonymous No.6692644]

>>6692465
Nice gestures! Yes, I new others would try that Asuka for sure, I was curious about that lol. I went with an overblown option, because I new someone surely would do the more straightforward and reasonable pose plus perspective.
I'm tempted to do the Asuka using your poses, but maybe I should stop. lol

[Anonymous No.6692844]

>>6692639
Yeah, I originally sketched just the figures since this is supposed to be the cover for a booklet, so they were essentially just floating in a void before I added in metal plate flooring.

I must also admit, I did not think too hard about how to make the image more alluring since these are pre-existing characters and I thought my intended audience would find it hot enough knowing their background. I guess I neglected visual storytelling because I thought my audience would just "get it"

[Anonymous No.6692849]

>>6692844
>>6692639
So thanks again for bringing this to my attention. I'll try finding a way to make this more appealing to a general viewer

[Anonymous No.6692870]

>>6692424
I see your point and it makes total sense.
I just feel that you could push your art further if you put just a bit more time into each piece you make.
The fundamentals are definitely there, but you rush the process too much, which to me seems like a waste.
I really like your stuff tho. You are definitely a breath of fresh air for this place.

[Anonymous No.6692886]

>>6692844
>Yeah, I originally sketched just the figures since this is supposed to be the cover for a booklet, so they were essentially just floating in a void before I added in metal plate flooring.
The background instantly jumped to my eye as well. I think with these 2 figures that are actually floating in space, which imo is nod a bat thing at all, it's better if you make the background more abstract and actually resembling a "void" where the girls flating would make more sense. Right now the solid background resembles a floor or wall, which clashes with the figures.
Also, your anatomy isn't bad at all. Your gesture (both lines and coloring wise) lacks some confidence tho, which makes the pose and whole artwork look a bit stiff.
I hope what I'm saying makes sense.

[Anonymous No.6693064]

>>6692615
>>6692639
I think it's the yellow, corpse like skin that's not hot

[Anonymous No.6693455]

Did I finally properly foreshorten her leg? I think I did but I'm paranoid as hell I miss a glaring flaw, because I usually do

[Anonymous No.6693475]

>>6693455
Yes!, the way you did the lines on the leg is perfect to show what the leg is doing. Props to you in the fact that you used few and subtle lines. That's good.
Have into account that you may have a solid proportioned figure there, BUT people will judge the appeal of the image separately, how sexy she is, how "hot looking" is her body, etc, etc. That stuff is cruel, and merciless, it comes from the reptile side of our brains, (our coom brains lol). "Beauty" is the most subjective thing there is. Don't be discouraged, if anyone don't like your design, just keep at it. You will find the shapes people want, when they talk and ask for those shapes and features.
Keep grinding anon

[Anonymous No.6693481]

>>6692644
thanks! I would love to see your versions of my drawings. Commissions cost a lot, and you doing them for free would be a blessing

[Anonymous No.6693485]

>>6693475
That's honestly great to read bro, I'm making the design for me and me alone, not worried about appealing to someone. Hell if I wanted to appeal to popular opinion I would draw generic gacha chick, fuck that I like titty wolves. It's not a commission. I just want to make sure the anatomy is technically correct and readable because that drives me crazy.
Now all I gotta do is figure out a decent way to draw fur which is the easiest thing ever on real pencil but an asspain in digital. Turns out barrel rotation is a much more important feature than I realized, because the Wacom pro pen 2 doesn't have it so any tool that uses tilt is functionally worthless, and said tools just so happen to be the best pencils in Kirta. FUCK

[Anonymous No.6693486]

Thought I'd post a recent drawing I am working on.. I've been practicing figure drawing andit's really been helping me
>>6692106
thanks for redlining my sketch,

[Anonymous No.6693488]

>>6693485
>>6693455
Yeah I already noticed the missing line by her left eye, seems what I say about myself being oblivious to errors is the thing I most consistently get right about art lol

[Anonymous No.6693489]

Hey glad to see these threads are continuing, could I get a check to see if things are aligned properly im not sure how this looks. Thanks for you help!

[Anonymous No.6693504]

>>6693486
solid work on the pelvis area but lost the forms in the top half, try to follow the reff by looking at shape i would say rather than the form cus you build good habits quicker that way

[Anonymous No.6693533]

>>6693489
I'm conflicted with this one, I love the shape and the figure, I don't want to change anything. And should not. There are a couple of things though, or mainly one, like she's holding her weight with one hand-arm, so the hand should be more in the middle below her body, and the shoulder upper closer to her face. Overall, I love how she looks.

[Anonymous No.6693584]

>>6693533
I knew the left arm looked off thanks for your help as usual! The redline looks great

[Anonymous No.6693685]

>>6693481
Redl-iners just wan-na have fuh-un

I should be doing pixels right now. shake my head.

[Anonymous No.6693694]

>>6693685
you're amazing. thank you

[Anonymous No.6693697]

>>6693685
That's a sexy Asuka, saved

[Anonymous No.6693699]

red line this
let's see how good you really are

[Anonymous No.6693725]

>>6693699
Your anatomy is very weak. I suggest getting Burne Hogarth's "Dynamic Anatomy" and copying it Twice, cover to cover. Your muscle knowledge will improve.

[Anonymous No.6693728]

>>6693725
look at this oekaki nigger trying to red line Gil Elvgren

[Anonymous No.6693746]

>>6693699
Woah... Based Elvgren appreciator?.. Shit, muh pixels ToT...

[Anonymous No.6693745]

>>6693728
you mean you think the lack of muscles isn't a big humongous flaw?

[Anonymous No.6693750]

>>6693725
Nice leg lines right there, that was fast! Checked

[Anonymous No.6693756]

I forgot to post here before finishing. Help with the arms pls.
>>6693746
Cutesuka

[Anonymous No.6693759]

>>6693750
ah thanks, but im no match against you >>6693746 (i think thats you) seeing your work makes me regret not putting in more effort into my drawings. I should refrain from posting doodles

>>6693756
you don't need a redline, your work is world class

[Anonymous No.6693767]

>>6693756
That's an incredibly beautiful picture anon. I don't think there's nothing to "fix" here. While it is true that if we rise our arms above our heads the elbows ends up higher than our heads, if you start to bend your arms to the sides like in the picture, the elbows kinda move pretty much near that place you put them in your drawing.
I think maybe you're not too sure about the arm pits, that could be more important to tackle. We had an armpit discussion in the /RLG1/ :
>>6681101
>>6681165
>>6681170
>>6681445

Anyway your pic is perfect and complete as it is right now. Don't attach to art, keep forward, do another.

Thanks glad you liked the Asuka. =)

[Anonymous No.6693770]

>>6693759
Yes that's me, lol, sorry, I forget we are in nowhere land here. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6693779]

>>6693759
>>6693767
Thank you both sm :'0 and ty for the resources, keep up the good work liners you guys are the lifeblood of the thread

[Anonymous No.6694021]

>>6693728
did you forget to take your autism pills or are you playing 4D chess with never b4 seen levels of sarcasm?

[Anonymous No.6694586]

Thanks for all the positive feedback
This time I really need someone to tell me how to make her face better..
It's off somehow.
I don't really need a redline for the body since its fine.
But it'd be nice for someone to tell me how to improve on the gesture.
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6694616]

>>6694586
You already have a trademark face. I wouldn't dare to touch that. I guess you could play with the face to neck proportions, see what's the perfect ratio.
Beautiful pic, as usual anon

[Anonymous No.6694698]

>>6692298
Would something like this make more sense then since i tried redrawing it.

[Anonymous No.6694707]

>>6694698
it looks a lot better! After this, it's just grinding and drawing a lot every day. Drawing is 99% muscle memory and coordination, and only 1% theory, so remember to avoid chasing after video courses and books, and just pick one book and practice that for like 5 years. Loomis, Hampton, Vilppu, Bridgman are guys you can't go wrong with

[Anonymous No.6694795]

>>6693725
>>6693746
I hope for both your sake you're just referencing Gil Elvgren's work and literally not trying to red line it. Because if you were, you look incredibly stupid trying to.

[Anonymous No.6694801]

>>6694795
this board is hopeless, with posters like you

[Anonymous No.6694805]

>>6694795
Anon, I think they know who Gil Elvgren is, and they are just trolling you... Just saying.

[Anonymous No.6694806]

Can anyone help? I just want to draw my niche fetish porn to the best of my abilities.

[Anonymous No.6694834]

>>6694806
Follow your dreams anon

[Anonymous No.6695740]

somebody help me out here - i don't know what but something in the pose here doesn't look right to me, maybe just because i've been looking at it for too long? the legs are bothering me

[Anonymous No.6695751]

Throwing this out there. Basically same thing as >>6695740's problem. Just looks off.

[Anonymous No.6695752]

>>6690796

[Anonymous No.6695782]

>>6695740
Do you think her legs looks like out of proportion? Too big? I don't know if you're using a real reference. A photo could look like that, depending on the lens that it was used, perspective, angle. It could work perfectly fine if your style works with that foreshortening angle. I don't know. Maybe my "redraw" looks better in your eyes. I hope it helps
I'll check this one >>6695751
in a minute, got to go eat lol

[Anonymous No.6695806]

>>6695752
keep in mind this is just an excersize hopefully it may helpin some way

[Anonymous No.6695811]

>>6695751
I think the solution to this one is much more clear. You have good figure and perspective understanding. And Pose! Keep at it anon

[Anonymous No.6695814]

>>6695811
Damn just like that you make it look way cooler. Nice. Thanks for your work, makes me rethink some things.

[Anonymous No.6695817]

been trying to practice figure drawing
how does this look?

[Anonymous No.6695866]

>>6695782
thanks! the legs, yeah, were a little long, was just kind of free-wheeling it

[Anonymous No.6695878]

>>6695817
It looks good. As a whole the figure looks coherent and solid. And with good proportion. Do more of these studies anon. Don't bother with "clean lines" and details, do these figure scribbles, search for shapes, it is good. Keep grinding anon.

[Anonymous No.6695908]

>>6695878
thanks anon
I'll keep it up

[Anonymous No.6696121]

Sketch I want to try and make into an actual drawing soon
Mostly happy with it but something is wrong with her back and her left (cigarette) hand
I can FEEL it

[Anonymous No.6696139]

>>6696121
I gave her some big glute muscles lol, but that's your call.

[Anonymous No.6696141]

>>6696139
I love big fat asses but the way she's sitting and leaning forward it just doesn't feel natural to have it protrude way out
I'm going more for "scenic" then I am my usual horny

[Anonymous No.6696157]

>>6696139
Thanks, got something a lot better done
How are you so good at anatomy, jeez
This pic hits hard in the nude, I might keep it that way as illogical as being naked on a balcony is

[Anonymous No.6696164]

>>6696157
No problem buddy! I Thanks for your kind words.
Keep at it!

[Anonymous No.6696209]

very rough draft I refuse to continue, should the second breast be visible? I am so confused, and yeah I know the head sucks and it lacks feet, I refuse to continue unless I solve this.

I have already erased it completely and still looks very weird I think it should be visible but not how much.

[Anonymous No.6696215]

kinda same idea/pose as anon above me but except from a higher and tilted angle. alternatively: titles of art books that help with figures and drawing them in POV angles would help too, i think.

[Anonymous No.6696221]

>>6696215
that one is almost, almost seen from above, look at her back, is not just a slight tilt is very different angle, yet if i remove the left boob it looks even weirder? wtf

[Anonymous No.6696232]

>>6696209
>>6696221

From that particular viewpoint, the farther breast would be completely obstructed by the other+torso.

Your breast connects a little too high up the chest, though, so that might make it look weird.

[Anonymous No.6696235]

>>6694834
u make youtube vids?

[Anonymous No.6696237]

>>6696215
not op but i would do it like this.

[Anonymous No.6696238]

>>6696209
>>6696221
The breasts could be seen if you want. Nice figure, solid design. keep at it man

[Anonymous No.6696250]

>>6694834
Me? No way. That would be nuts. I don't think that I even have an account there. I could do twitch? But I'm too lazy for all the hassle twitchers go through. I'm still using win7, I don't even cared to upgrade to 10, I hate meddling with new stuff and programs lol

[Anonymous No.6696252]

>>6696209
the confusion comes from different rotations of chest and pelvis. you can either turn the pelvis (boob is visible) or turn the chest (boob is not visible).

[Anonymous No.6696268]

>>6696221
>>6696238
>>6696252
The second boob would not be visible in either of those poses. It will always be hidden behind the other boob and torso.

You can always distort reality if you really want both to be visible.

[Anonymous No.6696271]

>>6696268
>You can always distort reality if you really want both to be visible.
I agree the style is cartoony enough for him to decide if he want to show them or not. I would choose to show both, but that's just me. lol

[Anonymous No.6696286]

>>6695782
NTA, but what are those blue lines on her pelvis? Is it just to help with thinking in 3D?

[Anonymous No.6696503]

>>6696232
With the boob hanging so low, the toros being so small and the breast being that big I can now see the boob peeking just a bit.

>>6696237
You could definetly see them both in this one, is a bird's view.

[Anonymous No.6696936]

Hello fren
I'm not dure about the legs on this one
What are your thoughts?
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6696983]

>>6696936
HAHAHAHAHAHA I CANT BELIEVE I FORGOT TO POST THE PIC

[Anonymous No.6696989]

[Anonymous No.6696996]

>>6690796
any thoughts sensei?

[Anonymous No.6697019]

>>6696936
>>6696983
I love the design, is perfect. Again, I shouldn't do any re-arranges here. I dunno... You're too good for me to touch work work. Hope it helps anyway =).

[Anonymous No.6697069]

>>6696996
This is great, I love how solid and "correct" everything looks. Of Course ultimately is the final objective what will dictate how to use this pose.
I used your construction to do a quick Asuka, to check how her head/face would look if I do that "anime head pose" evangelion animators usually do extending necks out of it's "reasonable" anatomical place. I think it looks quite nice.

[Anonymous No.6697104]

>>6696989
Nice grinding! Keep doing these!

>>6696286
I do them just to throw something else of value. It's not something I use, but, it could work for beginners as a symbolic explanation of a very simple concept. Instead of writing walls of words. These simple graphic icons are better. I should use more of those.

[Anonymous No.6697108]

>>6697019
>>6697069
>>6697104
amazing work

[Anonymous No.6697786]

Can someone help me with oolongs hand?

[Anonymous No.6697890]

Please help /ic/

[Anonymous No.6698097]

>>6697890
I don't know about this one. It should be right, but I see what you mean. There's something about her torso and hips. It's so subtle that it requires the advice of a better redliner, there's one but he never do redlines. =(

Maybe her torso "looks" just a little bit too long but Darkstalkers designs and gestures are so crazy that this pic shouldn't look out of place. I don't want to change your design, it's cool and have great appeal already, wich is the only important thing at the end.
I did a couple of line tweaks on her hip, maybe you could move the wing line a little to show her contour. She and her nice shapes are the main subjects of the pic. Wings should move out of the way lol
Great pic anon, great legs, calves, shoes, breasts, shoulders, hands, face, hair, you're making it already man. keep them coming!

[Anonymous No.6698101]

>>6697890
Could you post the ref if you used one?

[Anonymous No.6698125]

How is the preliminary lineart on my Fox lady going so far?
She's from Unicorn Warriors eternal, the show itself can't even be bothered to keep her proportions consistent so I'm just going for a decent anthro face

[Anonymous No.6698147]

>>6698097
I mean this is a huge help so thank you. A second set of eyes is priceless. Good idea on the wing, I'm going to take your advice there as well, and thank you for the kind words.
>>6698101
For sure but I strayed from the reference a lot, just used it was a way in to the drawing.

[Anonymous No.6698208]

>>6698125
I love her man. She looks solid and nice already. I guess it is time to give her a fashion/style treatment.
Just have fun man.
I didn't change anything of her figure. I just had fun giving her a dress, If you let me I would keep putting lace bows on her all over the place lol

Nice, keep at it anon!

[Anonymous No.6698209]

Alright, I know the hands are small and that the perspective is off
I'm not sure about the anatomy
Your thoughts?
Please give criticism

[Anonymous No.6698216]

>>6698208
Do you have a social? I like your style

[Anonymous No.6698273]

>>6697890
>>6698147
im a bit late, but I think you shouldn't forget the bones in the wings. Other than that, your drawings are great. Good job on fixing the ribs to hip ratio like the other anon said

[Anonymous No.6698275]

>>6698209
At this point I'm too biased towards your style to do a redline LOL.
I don't want to change anything because I like it. Maybe other anon will critique the feet position or whatever, but I can't, I can see the overall appeal clearly. This is a scribble you did here. You can polish this quickly to make it look awesome.
Just keep at it. Cool stuff anon.

[Anonymous No.6698282]

>>6698216
No I don't, I just post here, and mostly go over other people's work. I guess I should stop this and do something totally different to do that. Nah, Too much of a hassle, lol.
Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.6698650]

>>6697069
Hey, thanks for getting back to me sifu.It's kinda weird but I actually wanted the head to only slightly be turned towards the viewer, like she's giving a side eye and a smug, wide smile. The expression is the biggest problem I am having, it's like a weird platonic form that's in my head that I don't know where I saw

[Anonymous No.6698698]

>>6698650
Oh I see, nice new angle you did there. You're really good dude! Yeah you're looking for something especial, I hope you find it.
That face/expression reminds me to the devil girl in Fellini's "Spirits of the dead - Tobby Dammit". Cool.

[Anonymous No.6698762]

Alright, i think now I'm getting somewhere those eyes and her weird cartoony snout were really giving me hell

[Anonymous No.6698825]

I screwed up the placement/proportions somewhere, I'll have to go back and fix it. How does it look so far though? The forms might look better once I add shadows.

[Anonymous No.6698842]

>>6690796
I think that the OP post should have a reminder for posters to include the original reference(s) they used. It would make things a lot easier for person doing the redlines.

[Anonymous No.6698843]

>>6698825
It's the top part of the torso that's too small. All the other proportion mistakes stem from that, like upper arm being too long in relation to forearm etc. Did a quick fix with liquify tool.

Arms and hands lack a bit of structure, other than that its looking pretty good so far. Keep it up!

[Anonymous No.6699385]

Hey op, I know the proportions are wild and all over the place but I somehow feel like they're kinda appealing
What's your take on this?
How would you fix her anatomy
Don't worry about soul, I just need help with the basics

[Anonymous No.6699397]

Todays work it’s kind of cartoony

[Anonymous No.6699410]

I really need it

[Anonymous No.6699423]

>>6699385
Anon that face you do is a soul beacon. There, I did my thing. I don't know exactly what she's wearing, if a skirt, or pants. I gave her some tight pants/jeans.

[Anonymous No.6699426]

>>6699410
Anon this looks perfect. Cool work!

[Anonymous No.6699430]

>>6699423
WOOOOW
This is what I was trying to achieve
The pants look especially good
Btw, thanks to you I'm making a Twitter account.
It should be up by this Monday.
It's called @Fitfolu

[Anonymous No.6699455]

help pls

[Anonymous No.6699466]

>>6699410
Arms is too short

[Anonymous No.6699477]

>>6699397
Hi, the figure looks nice and proportioned at first sight. Cartoony style is fine and good, it helps a lot to express gesture.
I did a clean up, following your lines. I don't know the character, I think she's supposed to be quite "curvaceous" right? But your picture looks more like a teen, so I don't know. also I can't tell if she's holding a knife or one of those old flip phones, lol. I went with the psycho option.

[Anonymous No.6699487]

>>6699477
Oh i like that thank you! Yes lately I been having trouble trying to draw a person so i just been drawing for milage with some anatomy practices yes shes holding a knife but i guess i need practice with that too however thank you.

[Anonymous No.6699517]

leg help pls
are these fucked up or have i just been looking at them too long?

[Anonymous No.6699565]

>>6699455
The gesture is clearly evident. So that's good. I guess it is time for you to work in your search of shapes. I'm not sure if that's a guy, or a girl, or what age it is supposed to portray.
So, there. Keep at it anon.

[Anonymous No.6699573]

>>6699565
Thanks a lot anon, that is a really really useful redline!
I was trying to draw a really thicc femboy, adult one! Thank you! It's also nice to see that the right arm was not a completely lost cause, I thought it might be completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.6699576]

>>6699565
Love the subtleties in differences between those two figures. Really makes you think about how the smallest details really matter in art.

[Anonymous No.6699601]

>>6699517
Nothing wrong with your legs per se, but I think if you're not happy with it, it can be good to pull back and look at it's simplified shape. The bumps can get confusing

[Anonymous No.6699602]

>>6699517
Hi, NICE LEGS. I like them, the calve area is kinda weird though. Calves usually looks good protruding on one side, preferably pointing to the back side of the leg. Legs are very expressive it goes beyond just "correct anatomy". You can grind legs to no end and have fun.

The toes though, you know anthro is not my passion but, when doing those "furry toes" I think is better to go all in with the fluff thing, to show intent. give them big toes man.
hope this helps.
I really like those legs. The pic is looking hot already Nice work anon.

[Anonymous No.6699609]

>>6699601
Sorry, I didn't saw your redline! I could have skip that one damn, lol. Nice lines!

[Anonymous No.6699619]

>>6699430
I'm glad you liked it. Good luck with your twitter, I hope you can have fun. Don't suffer, just have fun. You're good. Give yourself time to develop, just keep it simple. Good luck anon!

[Anonymous No.6699636]

>>6699601
>>6699602
thanks for the wisdom. the balance between whats right and what looks good is a delicate thing and i get lost in that sauce when im not completely sure what something looks like
>Legs are very expressive it goes beyond just "correct anatomy"
leg into calf always trips me up. I'll try to keep more of the loose-ness of the sketch in the final lines
also you just saved me like 30 straight minutes of redrawing toes you absolute salt of the earth

[Anonymous No.6699639]

>>6699609
Thanks, I think it's okay for multiple people to redline the same person, because there isn't one single right solution, most of the time <3

[Anonymous No.6699682]

>>6699410
deform apron more

objectively speaking there's some 3D construction you could improve but it doesn't stand out, so it's honestly fine as is (just imo)

redlined for fun desu

also for the medic crosses, draw the lines all the way from end to end and then erase the middle so the top and bottom parts of the crosses stay contiguous

[Anonymous No.6699684]

>>6699682
beautiful sketch

[Anonymous No.6699920]

Putting up an old piece. Making a new one as soon as I can.

[Anonymous No.6699949]

>>6699920
Find artists you love and copy the way they draw faces. If you have trouble with the anatomical forms, Hogarth has good teachings on that

[Anonymous No.6699965]

>>6699517
Try taking a break. Drawing the inner thigh is hard

[Anonymous No.6700020]

>>6699920
its not just about putting the lines in the right place, they also need to be placed IN A right way
This is loomis right? The issue is that loomis either does sketches or full renders, find a lineart artist and see how they place lines on the head

[Anonymous No.6700124]

can anyone redline this? it's an underline sketch before i go over it with a clean line but something feels off. Are the proportions wrong? or maybe the stance is completely unnatural.

[Anonymous No.6700166]

Been trying sketching more complicated poses. Picturing how things look pressed on the ground was pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.6700545]

>>6700124
I don't think there's anything to "redline" here anon. This looks great. Of course it has some level of stylization going but that's not bad, it looks good.
>>6700166
Anon this pic looks awesome, I've been following your stuff and this one and the one before shows a maturity in your style, and confidence. Nice lines and composition, very clean. You're doing good in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.6700681]

>>6700545
I don't mean to step on your toes, but I think there could be some small changes made to the work to make it better.

>>6700124
You're obviously really great, and there's nothing technically wrong with the work, except I feel that the shapes might be a bit too round. The latest David Finch video talks about shape language and giving your characters a more chiseled look, and that might be something you want to look into. This extends even into the head you've drawn; a sharper look might be closer to what you want. This is all subjective, of course, and I could be totally changing your art to be something you didn't want

https://youtu.be/rPWa5kSwVGE

Also, the head seems a tad bit big

[Anonymous No.6700711]

>>6700681
>I don't mean to step on your toes, but I think there could be some small changes made to the work to make it better.
No problem anon! Please do! The more eyes the better. Sometimes I feel like "I" myself can't add nothing of value, and I always hope someone else can. Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.6700738]

>>6700711
Np! <3

[Anonymous No.6700799]

>>6700681
thanks that does look better.
i kept feeling that the body was too long and it was.
also the neck was too thick.

[Anonymous No.6700829]

>>6700166
pretty good. only some minor anatomical changes i would make. for the hair you could follow taco´s instructions. Use the ropes to indicate the direction of the limbs.

[Anonymous No.6700832]

>>6700166
>>6700829

[Anonymous No.6700918]

a poor wayfaring /beg/gar, was directed here. I need to get better and I'm lacking in a lot of technique, I know

[Anonymous No.6700952]

>>6700829
>>6700545
Thanks boys. I'm doing a final now. Might also try some new painting

[Anonymous No.6701051]

>>6698208
I kept at, thanks for the advice bro

[Anonymous No.6701061]

>>6701051
Nice work anon. Every finished pic is a battle won in the war for fun.
Follow your dreams bro

[Anonymous No.6701105]

>>6700166
Almost ready to color

[Anonymous No.6701110]

>>6701061
Now I'll post what you helped me with when I'm finished

[Anonymous No.6701341]

>>6700918
Go and do this guide:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

Start from the beginning, with basic shapes and proportions. Doing the Bridgman step is particularly important

If you don't want to do that, then study these books in this order:
>Hampton / Steve Huston / Vilppu
>Bridgman
>Loomis (for shading)

Good luck

[Anonymous No.6701366]

>>6700918
I deleted my previous redline, because it didn't really help

the point is, work on your figure drawing fundamentals. Work on your proportions, work on your basic forms, and copy your favorite artists, every day. Learn to copy a picture really well.

Watch this stream:
https://youtu.be/Z2CZKX089w0

And do this guide if you want a clear curriculum:
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

Recommended authors:
>Michael Hampton
>George Bridgman
>Andrew Loomis
>Vilppu

Good luck

[Anonymous No.6701397]

>>6696221
Do it.
looks gnarly af.

[Anonymous No.6701605]

>>6700918
Hey anon, I read your reply in the other thread, so she's a private eye, also african american? Having into account her ethnicity I already changed automatically the way I do her face, trying to search a closer visual description of the character. As you can see you can do a lot of things to develop a figure/character, from the most basic approach, to a more complex one, even searching how her facial features should look.
I'm doing a challenge, copying Bridgman figure drawing book, you can try that, and I think you should, if you really want to get good at this thing you want to accomplish >>6701593

[Anonymous No.6701871]

>>6701605
>also african american
No that was a hastily made recolor that a friend of mine wanted, it wasnt meant to be taken seriously. She's white with pale blond hair

[Anonymous No.6702238]

How to attach head in this angle

[Anonymous No.6702240]

>>6702238
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6702249]

new nurse sketch

[Anonymous No.6702270]

Oh great one, I ask of your assistance. I'm absolute shit at drawing lower legs and especially feet. Yes the model is supposed to be fat with skinny legs, that's what my brother looks like it's going to be a funny birthday card for him

[Anonymous No.6702297]

>>6702240
In this case, I think you have to take a pretty good look at the reference pic/photo. If not, there's a lot of different ways to see how his head is resting on the arms. First I thought, there's no need for the arms to be crossed. He could have his right arm grabbing his right shoulder holding his chin. Then I thought Well if he grabs his right shoulder with his left hand then it may look more like you intended. I don't know. As you can see how the head attaches to the body is the least of my concerns, lol.

I'm more driven towards how the arms look (forearms in particular), and how the head rest on them. The pic looks good at first sight, don't worry about that. The head looks good on the body.

[Anonymous No.6702304]

>>6702297
I draw from imagination mostly. Couldn’t find a ref for this pose but I guess I’ll try looking some more.
Thanks for the help!

[Anonymous No.6702305]

Could I please request help on her left elbow and her stomach / lower abdomen area?

Bonus points if you help me make the dude in the background look better too, I need the rework the chest

[Anonymous No.6702315]

>>6702249
I'm loving these pics man. At first sight it looks perfect, you're doing something really good dude. But, you can do a big fix on her arms. There's something about her fore-arms as you can see. And to fix the forearms you have to go up to the shoulders, and traps, and clavicles. The cool angle composition you choose it makes the figure hard to pose exactly right. If you can fix those subtle nuances, you're golden.

This is good, GREAT angle/perspective composition, keep doing these anon!

[Anonymous No.6702354]

>>6702270
Ok, I activated pressure sensitivity, just this time. lol.
I save it in PNG so you can use the lineart if you want. If you want me to do the legs and feet bigger, I can do that quickly. I just didn't wanted to change your design too much. I guess you have an idea behind it. I Don't want to ruin that.
Have a nice party, hope it helps.

[Anonymous No.6702372]

>>6702354
I won't copy it outright but I appreciate the leg fix, thank you

[Anonymous No.6702455]

Hey boss, not really a redline but I need advice on how one can draw a character when their hair should logically be obscuring their face due to gravity. Obviously I don't want that because I want the expression to be visible, what's the secret?

[Anonymous No.6702459]

>>6702455
you either make the face lines layered above the hair like anime does or you draw a little bubble pointing to the head that shows the facial expression within the bubble

[Anonymous No.6702463]

>>6702459
>a little bubble pointing to the head that shows the facial expression within the bubble
ah, sokka

[Anonymous No.6702480]

>>6702463
That's what we do around here

[Anonymous No.6702493]

>>6702305
This is totally going to help you! I did my thing and gave her an UwU mouth. Great drawing. So there, keep at it!
(Just kidding, love the redlines. Maybe this place needs more people like u <3)

[Anonymous No.6702510]

>>6702455
>>6702459
That's a really useful exercise actually. How much of the face is enough to express something? I knew of course about the classic "anime facial lineart under the hair", but the bubble with a facial expression wasn't so fresh in my mind. GREAT advice there anon. Thanks!

>>6702493
LOL, NICE ASS!

[Anonymous No.6702519]

I have clue how to salvage this pose pls help

[Anonymous No.6702527]

>>6702305
for the arm on the left, it's a very subtle thing, but you need to make sure that the arms are coming out of the side of the shoulder girdle. In my redline, I just traced the rib cage, and kept its spatial orientation the same, then extended the arms out of the arm holes from there. If we do it that way, the rib cage overlaps the top part of her left arm. I don't know if I'm describing this clearly, but just look at my sketch.. the dotted portion is the overlapped part. Think of your figure as a doll or mannequin, and you should have no problems

>>6702493
fun!

[Anonymous No.6702535]

>>6702305
This one is hard, because you are talented enough to almost get away with it LOL. Yeah, I see what you mean, but the elbow is not the main issue. It is the torso the side oblique muscle is the only thing we should see. We shouldn't see her groin. That's forcing the pose too much. And then you start to seek other issues like the elbow, because you don't want to sacrifice the groin shot lol. And I understand that. I don't mind really, I think the pic looks awesome man.

I'll see about the big dude behind, first idea that comes to mind is making the pic bigger, to show him more clearly, but I like the composition as it is. The girl looks awesome already in the frame. Ill see. Maybe someone else can help as well.

[Anonymous No.6702570]

>>6702527
>>6702535
These are both super helpful thank you so much! I'm gonna apply these when I pick this back up tomorrow can't wait!

>>6702493
Lol I don't totally get it, but thank you!

[Anonymous No.6702608]

>>6702519
I don't know man, this look like a pretty straight forward picture. Unless you want to make something totally different, this figure/pose works.
Hope it helps, Always fun to look at this ones lol

[Anonymous No.6702636]

>>6702305
>>6702570
About the dude, without making the picture bigger. I guess you have to make the most of the visible areas of the guy's body, and make them as much identifiable as possible. Best shot is his arm. It must look clearly as an arm. Then you have the small area on his traps and deltoid joint, and then you have his side starting with the serratus muscles joining down with the oblique and part of the abs. If you can makes those areas as simple and "human like" as possible, it will be clear and easy to identify the dude figure behind.

[Anonymous No.6702713]

>>6702608
Yeah the foreshortened knees and orientation of the feet kept screwing me up. I guess I just needed to make them longer lol. Thanks for the help as usual

[Anonymous No.6702726]

>>6702636
Awesome thank you again! I did end up redrawing a fair bit of the girl based on the suggestions above (fuck getting sleep) but I'm gonna give the dude another pass tomorrow (for real this time).

I swear I will work on my anatomy fundies so I can contribute to this thread properly asap.

[Anonymous No.6702736]

I think I have everything pretty much right on this Midna sketch so far, only thing that's bugging me is her left leg

[Anonymous No.6702744]

>>6702736
deleted pic since don't want to hog image limit, tweaked it a little more and much happier with almost everything except the hand and the leg

[Anonymous No.6702745]

>>6702736
I know you deleted the file but the hand also needs love since its front and center

[Anonymous No.6702748]

>>6702745
Yeah the hand I think I'll redo in the morning. Woman's hand are pretty rough, either you get baby blob hands or you get man hands.

[Anonymous No.6702753]

>>6702748
>>6702744
Yeah I get you.

anyways I took a stab at this. I'm not the best at anatomy, but I hope it helps a bit.

[Anonymous No.6702800]

>>6702455
all you can do is move the hair out of the way

>>6702510
funny expression

[Anonymous No.6703102]

I’m losing my mind with this one, I just can’t get the perspective right, can anyone who’s good with backgrounds redline this or just give some guidelines for the perspective? It’s meant to be kinda forced to make the lady in the chair look threatening

[Anonymous No.6703112]

>>6703102
Aside from the shelf that looks flat, the table's proportions are off. The woman also doesn't follow the perspective

[Anonymous No.6703175]

>>6703102
I’m not the best at perspective, but the problem seems to be in that you drew the table in 2-point perspective with flat sides, while the background is drawn curvilinearly (fisheye). Unless the bookshelves are concave, you should either make the background one or two point perspective (flat horizontals) or fix the table and adjust the characters (harder route).

[Anonymous No.6703357]

>>6702753
Alright, I think I'm going somewhere with this

[Anonymous No.6703411]

>>6702305
This is one of those 2 poses in 1 specials. Definitely recommend trying the pose yourself and see if you can do it and if it's somewhat possible...

[Anonymous No.6703422]

>>6702297
>>6702240
yo I'm sorry for being a lazy fuck, but does anybody know where I could find this angle? I'm looking on google, yandex and dA and no luck with clarifying this kind of pose

[Anonymous No.6703423]

>>6703411
I can do it myself, but I did bring the hip angle back a bit per advice above

[Anonymous No.6703442]

>>6703102
maybe im wrong but it feels impossible to have the woman feel threatening with the camera that high up. I'd say, try a composition where the camera is below the woman

[Anonymous No.6703548]

sorry for the nasty ass sketch, cant figure what is wrong with it

[Anonymous No.6703561]

>>6703548
Dicks don't go on female bodies, that's what it is

[Anonymous No.6703588]

>>6701366
I forgot to reply yesterday, but I've been going through this and it's been very helpful, thank you

[Anonymous No.6703625]

>>6703588
I’m glad you find them helpful! I hope it gives you a better sense of direction in your training

[Anonymous No.6703707]

I'm making a beer maid with german style clothes, I'm having a hard time with the frills, I appreciate any help with the clothes or other things I haven't seen yet.

[Anonymous No.6703734]

>>6703102
>It’s meant to be kinda forced to make the lady in the chair look threatening
I was trying to figure out the perspective when it hit me: if you want to make the woman seem threatening, then rotate the scene 180 degrees. Put the viewer in the balcony, looking through the doorway.

[Anonymous No.6703843]

>>6703102
Hi, this one is interesting, I know what you want, that classic, "young student, servant, orphan, gets an interview with the aristocratic milf, and she says, "Oh, so you want to work in my palace huh?, ok I'll give you a chance.." And then she ask Perkins to take the new girl to the maids wing, and Perkins says "This way, muh lady", and then she crosses paths with the son of the aristocratic lady, and he says, "Hold on Perkins, who's the new face here",, and Perkins says, "She's the new maid, Young Sir"... and he says "Interesting", "she can clean my room right away", and the girl says, "I'm not your servant you prick, I'm you sister, remember your 'uncle' who died in the war?, he was your dad"... ... .. right? lol.
hope it helps

[Anonymous No.6703896]

>>6703843
well, you proved me wrong. She does look intimidating, even from above. I don't know how you did it, but it looks great. Now all you need is horror movie lighting lol

[Anonymous No.6703993]

>>6703423
>I can do it myself
You can't, unless your spine is broken. While it is possible to contort your body the fact is that at the angle that the ribcage is at there is NO way you would be able to see that much of the front of the pelvis or that amount of shoulder from the other side, but >>6702527
pointed it out. It's not about being too fat, skinny, or whatever. It's just not going to work out like that.

>>6702535 redline makes the most sense in regards to the pelvis and is probably much closer to the pose that you were physically in yourself versus what you actually drew.

[Anonymous No.6704007]

[Anonymous No.6704016]

>>6704007
My biggest biggest biggest biggest biggest advice is for you to start copying other artwork, every single day. You understand form, and you understand anatomy, but you are struggling with "shape".

Shape is an elusive concept, and it can only be understood by massive "input": copying other artwork, on a huge scale. I'm talking stacks and stacks of paper. This will teach you how professional artists actually draw, what kind of shapes they use, and what they will never do. A pattern will emerge, and your work will begin to take on a look that you'll like.

Copy Bridgman, if you don't know who to copy, but anybody will do. Always copy with the idea of form and anatomy, as you already know

>>6703707
you are too good to redline bro. Maybe there's something wrong with the hand holding the platter, but that's it

[Anonymous No.6704026]

>>6704016
Beautiful!

[Anonymous No.6704028]

>>6704026
Thank you <3

[Anonymous No.6704089]

>>6703102
>>6703843 did a really great redline!

Though, I think you can simplify things even further by just focusing on the characters themselves and slightly adjusting the horizon line to underneath the queen. This way we get an upshot of her and, sort of, a down shot of the person in front of her. By eliminating everything else and just focusing on them it will give a better feeling of being trapped and unable to escape the impending wrath we are about to receive from the other person. Also, on first glance we immediately know who is in charge here, because of the undershot.

Either way can work, but when it comes to storytelling it's important really think about what we are trying to communicate in a scene and focus on what would be the best way to express that visually before focusing on the other details afterwards. Just something to consider in the future.

[Anonymous No.6704167]

>>6703548
why am i ignored :(((

[Anonymous No.6704179]

>>6703548
>>6704167
I was waiting for op to redline you, because he's better at these kind of things, but here you go. I think you generally know what you're doing, just keep practicing your figure drawing. Robert Beverly Hale said that your mass conceptions will be refined for the rest of your life, and I think that's true, as long as you keep studying and observing the world. Continue collecting visual data about the figure, and see how you can make the forms more naturalistic, with hints of anatomy.

[Anonymous No.6704185]

>>6704167
Sorry sorry! I forgot, I wasn't thinking on doing a redline here, I believe your figure is great the only improve it will be on the legs, which this redliner >>6704179 tackled perfectly. As you can see those are some quite different set of legs he did. As the redliner says you're good enough to build the legs you think are better for your figure.
Well, I better go back for my Bridgman's insanity challenge lol cheers

[Anonymous No.6704188]

>>6703707
Those frills are "structurally" absolutely correct. About improving the costume, I don't see what else could be added, everything has a costume detail, hair, arms, neck, legs. I guess it's time to work in a nice lineart.

[Anonymous No.6704194]

>>6704179
>>6704185
oo thank you very much! i'll try to figure out something with her legs then, sorry for going schizo mode i just thought that i was ignored because of futa or something..

[Anonymous No.6704284]

>>6703993
Yeah I wasn't saying I drew it correctly, just that I could physically do the pose (or something similar to it). So I agreed with everyone earlier saying the pelvic angle was wrong etc. The finished version is here btw >>6703642

[Anonymous No.6705268]

can someone help me figure out the leg for the first drawing.

[Anonymous No.6705275]

>>6705268

[Anonymous No.6705298]

>>6705268
>>6705275
Honestly I don't see errors in your pic there. Everything looks mostly correct. If I have to pick on something maybe theirs faces need to be bigger in proportion with the rest of the body.

I did placed her hand lower, (wrist always reaches the groin for length reference). Also I think drawing feet with nice shoes always makes the whole composition better.
Hope it helps.

[Anonymous No.6705307]

>>6705298
Thanks, saved this as a reference for later .

[Anonymous No.6706186]

>>6692290

Try to find the rhythm between parts of the body when making indications in your drawing. The back has too many marks that are disjointed from what's around it. Also the overlapping of forms between the shoulder arm and back is very important. Try and look at how that area of muscles interact with one another. You got some nice legs drawn on this one.

[Anonymous No.6706277]

Oh redline heroes, I need your help! I'm trying to study real people's pictures, it's a lot harder than I thought. Also I need help with torsos, and pretty much the entire body

[Anonymous No.6706394]

>>6706277
Hi, We can only help, but you're asking about learning, wich is a different thing. There are a lot of methods to learn anatomy, I really believe it all reduces to just copy, copy, copy and copy. I always say that american comic style, is good to do that. That style may lack in "soul", but it's all about anatomy, muscles, and realism. The shapes and muscle details are very well visually described in classic american comic art style. You will learn anatomy for sure, copying that style.

"Live model" reference it's hard because you need a preparation to understand and "translate" what you're really seeing under the skin tissue. But you may find that harder route more rewarding. I don't know.
Draw, draw and draw. It's the only way to find what you're looking for.

>>6706186
Thanks for the redlines! Beautiful scapulas!

[Anonymous No.6706450]

>>6706394
Thank you so much for the redline, anon! I really like how gesturized your redline is.
But yeah, I've been just copying my favorite artist lately, it has been helping but I've heard that copying from live models can really help to get better at making art pop out.
Thank you so much for the advice though! I'll just keep copying my favorite artists for now still.
Also how'd you learn your anatomy/figure drawings? I really like your work, if you don't mind me asking

[Anonymous No.6706822]

>>6706450
Thanks for the kind words anon! That's interesting to "try" to answer. I don't think anyone can exactly tell "how it happened". I think many of us walked the same path. We made drawings of the thing we liked, mostly anime tv shows and "manga", so we were good at copying that in particular but when trying to do something unique from imagination the proportions were all out of wack, because "anime" is the worst learning example possible. But we atleast had a foundation, so the only way to fix it was to go back to the west, and do the same but with anatomically correct examples, like classic comics, Batman, Spiderman, "Justice League", X-men, the classics. So in a way I've learned gesture from the east, and anatomy from the west, all upside-down. I think "gesture" should be learnt after figure anatomy to avoid the classic "beg aberrations" lol
I'm still learning though =)

[Anonymous No.6706866]

>>6703707
you reached a point where it is hard to tell if you are stylizing or making mistakes.
here are some things i would do different:
make her taler so you can see her waist. this way you put a bigger focus on her hips and breasts.
her head is turned quite far to the side and tilted downwards. this is not possible (try it with your own head).
show the hair with big shapes instead of lots of small streaks.
overlap the glasses to show the perspective.
hands seem to be your weak point.

[Anonymous No.6707255]

>>6706866
thanks anon
chances are I'm probably making mistakes
I really like the glasses sugestion, I'll make the changes and yes, I have a lot o problems with hands

[Anonymous No.6707553]

[Anonymous No.6707581]

Not sure If I'm feeling the form or not

[Anonymous No.6707616]

>>6707553
It is clear your are great dude. Now you have a problem: how to foreshortening successfully the whole figure. You have to use every anatomy feature in your advantage, horns, head, eyes, shoulders, forearms, use those basic shapes and lines as perspective reference for the viewer.
The head, hand grabbing the club, and shoulder in the foreground, then all the rest must be reduced (put into perspective) incrementally to achieve that full body foreshortening. You did that, but you had not enough confidence to make his head big enough. that's understandable, if the whole foreshortening is not well constructed that big head will look goofy af, lol. But you can do it, and you MUST do it. These foreshortening perspective angles for pin-ups are a MUST.

You don't have to be successful in one go, do some research with simple doodles, and basic construction, reduce the figure to a "low poly count" version and search for the angle and perspective, till you find the right shape/solution.
Hope it helps. You're good enough to solve this successfully. Keep at it.

[Anonymous No.6707706]

>>6707581
Dude, I love this. Whatever it is, keep doing these feel-searching doodles. Anything can be translated to a figure. I followed the lines and the proportions as close as possible to your "form-search". I love doing these. Maybe you're are not feeling it, but the feel is there if you want. Just keep searching.

[Anonymous No.6707779]

>>6707706
Thank you so much for your compliment I been trying to just try drawing by feel, bean shape curves anything to have a more interesting twisting pose and i love what you did too.

[Anonymous No.6707973]

I tried a jacko pose but I couldn’t find a manlier reference. There’s a difference between a woman’s and man’s butt but I don’t know what it is

Help

[Anonymous No.6707982]

>>6707973
honestly, for male butts, the infamous Hogarth page of butts might be most helpful. Other than that, I think some of your proportions are a bit off, see if you like my suggestions better. for male butts, think boxes, and for women, think spheres

the other redline anon might be working on this too, and im curious as to what he might do.

really good drawing though, btw

[Anonymous No.6707989]

>>6707982
Freaking genius. You did it.

[Anonymous No.6707993]

>>6707989
thank you <3

[Anonymous No.6708022]

>>6707982
>the other redline anon might be working on this too, and im curious as to what he might do
LOL, I'm >>6707989, sorry didn't read the end of your post. This time I caught your post first, you knocked this one out of the park anon. I really can't add anything.
I wasn't going to post any redline here, but I can't let you down, so I did a quick Vega for you. Yours is a much better example of the correct way to approach this one, though.

[Anonymous No.6708030]

>>6707982
>>6708022

Thanks very much! It’s such a difficult pose for me to get down

[Anonymous No.6708043]

>>6708022
waa yours came out amazing! great job!

>>6708030
np!

[Anonymous No.6708067]

>>6708022
bro this is so good

[Anonymous No.6708096]

[Anonymous No.6708137]

>>6708096
Anon context is everything. If the figure is floating under water, then it could be ok. But, What is really doing? Is the subject going up some stairs? Running? Stumbling drunk? We don't know. And we can't help much.

[Anonymous No.6708159]

>>6708137
My bad, they are floating.

[Anonymous No.6708161]

>>6708159
(in the air)

[Anonymous No.6708213]

>>6708159
>>6708161
Ok, so as I said earlier, if the figure is floating I don't see a problem here.
But maybe you don't quite see yet a way to do the lines inside the contour of the figure... Then, I put lines all over the figure as guides for a suit, or clothing, or whatever you need to do, vertical lines help a lot. Hair floating, (a cape in case this is some super hero themed subject), etc.
I like how you did the hands, and the arms, legs, you're good anon. I just fixed the right foot. That's all. I hope it helps!
(Sorry I kinda assumed the gender here lol. If it is a guy I would make the thighs thinner and the torso wider.)

[Anonymous No.6708310]

>>6708213
I appreciate it the help, anon. And yeah you're assumption is right, it's a lady.

[Anonymous No.6708338]

>>6708022
i wonder, what were you drawing here?
If it's lats shouldnt they attach to the arm?

[Anonymous No.6708350]

>>6708338
nta, but looks like the ribcage to me.

[Anonymous No.6708511]

>>6708338
those are the serratus muscles coming out of the lat. very sexy muscles, mind you.

[Anonymous No.6708807]

>>6708310
Oh, ok! No prob!
>>6708338
Like these anons said >>6708350 >>6708511 Those are the serratus, it's a pet peeve of mine. I add the serratus always, even if it is not supposed to be seen, or noticed. It is a sexy detail as that anon said.
It's not a pointless visual detail though. It is the visual symbol used to connect the back with the frontal view of the torso (abs). I may use it mainly as a cosmetic device, but it is very important.