Ok I give up

[Anonymous No.6686929]

“Just draw” is a garbage meme that only gives you practice consistency at best. Except your practice is worthless. What are the absolute dulled, down basic first steps laid out in plain English so even a retard can understand how to draw? Thank you.

[Anonymous No.6686931]

>>6686929
i wish more pros would give out advice. It's worthless to hear any response to ''>how to git gud?'' if they dont post work

[Anonymous No.6686940]

>>6686929
Yes, exactly. I have given up on art because of it. I think everyone should also give up.
I will never have a pro tutor me personally and giving me all the secret recipes to become social media famous, for free, so why even bother anymore? Man, if only i could draw master work by thinking about them and then everyone on social media worships me and gives me money for eternity and girls want to fuck me and my parents finally love me, while i post epic and funny video game clips on my twitter profile.

[Anonymous No.6686944]

>>6686929
Lines, 2D shapes, 1P, 2P, 3P perspective, perspective techniques, boxes, SpongeBob SquarePants from imagination in different poses, Loomis (FWAP), Vilppu.

[Anonymous No.6686947]

>>6686929
Do you also want us to tie your shoes, snowflake?

[Anonymous No.6686949]

>>6686931
Where is this “Marios” /beg/ practice? She’s showing you a pseudo science that she doesn’t actually use. I want to see her struggles.

[Anonymous No.6686952]

>>6686929
>What are the absolute dulled, down basic first steps laid out in plain English so even a retard can understand how to draw? Thank you.
look at your surroundings. pick a a simple object, look at it for a bit, think about the proportions in relation to nearby objects. if you picked a bottle, where is the halfway point? how narrow is the opening compared to the rest of it?
take your pencil to the paper, gently lay some light guide lines based of what you are observing. when you feel like you've got the proportions sorted, try drawing the contour of the object.
Keep drawing more objects, maybe the table the bottle is on. how do the lines of the table relate to the bottle? your first 100 drawings will suck for sure, but if you keep challenging yourself to judge proportions and shapes like this, you get gud.

[Anonymous No.6686956]

>>6686929
>absolute dulled, down basic first steps laid out in plain English so even a retard can understand how to draw
drawing for the utter begginer if you dont have engineering background or art and science of drawing if you do.

[Anonymous No.6686959]

>>6686949
i know you are baiting but she uses the method in tthe image i posted

[Anonymous No.6686979]

>>6686940
lmao this is perfect. I'll never understand someone actually wanting this destination

[Anonymous No.6686982]

>>6686956
Keys to Drawing is excellent but Right Side is armchair psychology, pseud retardation. I don't know why it's shilled so much.

[Anonymous No.6686986]

>>6686949
What "struggles"? You only get good by practicing and enjoying that process, anyone who tells you you are supposed to suffer is a lying faggot who wants to be seen as strong-willed.

[Anonymous No.6686989]

>>6686982
How's it going, Bert?

[Anonymous No.6686999]

>>6686929
Thought it would be a gay book because of the title but it's a pretty good one for what you're looking for. It doesn't have that huge jump in complexity from step 1 to step 2 that some books have.

[Anonymous No.6687003]

Try "Laws Guide to Nature Journaling" by Muir Laws and then "Every Day Sketching and Drawing" by Steven Reddy. If you can muster the motivation to read through those books honestly, meaning your phone is locked away, you're not at the computer, you're in a decent spot and you've got your sketchbook ready for when you're inspired, and then you give the methods honest tries, it can be a good way to break out of the pseudo master study route. It's the epitome of "just (go outside and) draw " They are both on zlib.

[Anonymous No.6687011]

Just draw works if you are creative. I can't come up with anything good to draw or find any reference that interests me.

[Anonymous No.6687015]

>>6686931
>i like to recommend the following books
>books
thats it i quit

[Anonymous No.6687020]

>>6686986
nobody likes sucking, artist just build something akin to endurance to tolerate sucking

[Anonymous No.6687023]

>>6686929
imagine being mentally weaker than children
lul

[Anonymous No.6687024]

>>6687023
So what, do i go extract a child's brain and juice it for the creativity it has, or how do i make my own creativity?

[Anonymous No.6687046]

>>6686986
the suffering comes when you really challenge yourself. and if you don't, you don't improve. simple as

[Anonymous No.6687068]

>>6687024
1. find kids drawings on deviant art
2. steal it
3. enhance it with your skill and claim it as your own

[Anonymous No.6687084]

>>6687068
>my skill
>enhance it
yeah right

[Anonymous No.6687154]

>>6686940
Why are you people obsessed with likes and updoots? I don’t give a fuck about social media I just want to get something out of the effort I’m putting in. Preferably improvement

[Anonymous No.6687156]

>>6686989
he's not wrong, anon
much better alternative would be just the workbook version

[Anonymous No.6687201]

>>6686929
If you're too retarded to make a plan yourself just follow David Finch's guide:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/
It's basically the most spoonfed shit there is. For Anatomy practice use Michael Hampton.

[Anonymous No.6687207]

>>6686929
draw something so you can figure out what your flaws are
focus on the worst thing in the piece, draw that until you draw it well or you understand where you went wrong
repeat

[Anonymous No.6687220]

>>6686979
>>6687154
Because becoming an e-celebrity and getting patreon money from coomers is easy mode and likes and followers are the equivalent of social status. It's easy and you don't have to do anything, much like CSR or Sakimi-chan. If they could do it, i can too.
But without actually drawing or putting any effort though and then i'll make threads complaining why this isn't easy and people on twitter don't worship my existence and every piece of advice is bullshit because it doesn't work the instant i barely attempt it. I drew half a circle today and wondered why i didn't get likes and followers on social media, i guess everyone is just jealous and wants me to fail. Fucking crabs.
I'm also 18 and my goal in life is to buy a sportscar so my friends and family will think i'm cool and women will throw themselves at my feet. Self-awareness or critical thinking is for schizos. Thinking is for the mentally ill.
Now tell me how to get rich and famous without doing any work.
Please like & subscribe.

[Anonymous No.6687225]

>>6687220
imagine being so shit at art you make thDark’s comic style look unappealing

[Anonymous No.6687228]

>>6687225
imagine thinking i know who the fuck that is

[Anonymous No.6687231]

>>6686929

Just experiment and have fun. Not everything has to be perfect.

[Anonymous No.6687234]

>>6686929
Yes you're supposed to do a lot as well as plan your doing. This is true for literally any skill and not just drawing.

[Anonymous No.6687243]

>>6687228
I don’t, newfag
back to /beg/

[Anonymous No.6687259]

>>6687243
You Will Never Be Rich&Famous

[Anonymous No.6687264]

>>6687259
lurk more, retard

[Anonymous No.6687266]

>>6687264
gtfo my board, tranny

[Anonymous No.6687269]

>>6687266
>my board
>doesn’t know thDark
you’re not fitting in

[Anonymous No.6687272]

>>6687269
>"wow you dont know some namefag ecelebrity? u dont fit in lmao gottem"
Anon, you cannot fathom how much i do not give a shit about who's who

[Anonymous No.6687274]

lurk

[Anonymous No.6687284]

go back

[Anonymous No.6687403]

>>6686931
>i wish more pros would give out advice.

When they give out advice, people don't take it and think that there's still some "Secret trick" the pros just wont tell them.

[Anonymous No.6687416]

>>6686929
The harder you study each individual piece you draw the more you'll get out of it. Sometimes it'll suck because a pose or whatever is far beyond your reach but even if it turns out so bad it's unpostable you'll have still learned a lot because you tried really hard. I draw on average 50 images a year which is abysmal but I still found success because I put my all into everything I made.

[Anonymous No.6687423]

>>6687416
Also, with art comes a CLUSTERFUCK of very unique problems you have to overcome. There is no "trick" so to speak. Only many different techniques for each individual piece. Learning them is arduous and generally slow but it sticks once you've got it.

[Anonymous No.6687436]

>>6686929
B urself

[Anonymous No.6687593]

>>6687220
Based and ultimategentlemanpilled

[Anonymous No.6687626]

>>6686929
While there are plenty of tried and true paths that seem to work for most people, we all have our own quirks, preferred learning methods and motivations that influence how fast our individual progress will is. The fact of the matter is "just draw" DOES get results, but that doesn't necessarily mean torturing yourself with endlessly doing dull, repetitive drawing exercises. I was one of those autists who thought that just gritting my teeth and forcing myself to grind Feng Zhu/Peter Han/Scott Robertson and approaching art from a heavily technical/academic view was the best way to git good. And while it did end up teaching me a lot of important info/techniques, you can only rely on sheer willpower for so long before you get heft diminishing returns. I was constantly frustrated with myself and my inability to progress as fast as I thought I should. This led to burn out and less drawing which led to more anxiety and frustration knowing every day I didn't draw was another missed opportunity. Worse still, was the fact that none of my art professors were able to share any helpful insights, despite all of them having long professional careers working for Disney, Blizzard, Pixar, Hanna Barbera, etc. In general, Youtube and finding free lectures/pdf/guides through places like /ic/ did more for my education than art school ever did.
However, one aspect of school DID help was getting to know other artists. Some of them were leaps and bounds ahead of me despite not knowing even a fraction of the books/names that would be common knowledge on /ic/. But they drew and they drew A LOT. Not just for practice and assignments, but for FUN. And that's the key I'd been missing since I was a kid. I occasionally enjoyed the results of a finished piece, but the process of getting there was always painful and frustrating. My classmates didn't agonize over every little bit of anatomy or perspective or shading; they just went with it, even if they knew something was off. (continued)

[Anonymous No.6687628]

>>6687626
Even after I realized and accepted that “having fun” was the key to vastly improving my artistic progress, I just couldn’t seem to do it. The vicious cycle of frustration, self-doubt and burn out continued. That was until I decided to just say “fuck it” and draw depraved coomer shit. Suddenly I found myself effortlessly spending 8 hours working on edits of other artists’ work, to combining bits of my own stuff with it, to making completely original pieces. My fellow coom-brained degenerates loved it all and soon I was getting dozens of people asking if I did commissions, despite my work still being (imho) /beg/-tier. Now I’m working on two separate comics and multiple character sheets and having a blast. Do I want to give up on the idea of working as an artist in the SFW sphere? No, but I’m also being realistic. But my progress doing coomer art has given me a massive boost in confidence and made me want to go back to working on things related to what I had originally wanted to do and only time will tell if I can turn that into a career – But at least I’m now enjoying doing art again and actually look forward to getting back to my projects instead of dreading them. I’m not saying coomer shit is what –you– should do, Anons, but try to find that thing that gets you in that “flow state” -whatever that may be- and suddenly learning and practice will GIVE you energy rather than taking it.

>TL;DR: If you find a way to have fun with art while also taking steps to improve upon it, you will progress 10x faster than just putting your face to the grinder and obsessing over technicals. Learn to “fail forward” and embrace the fact that mistakes and “failures” will get you infinitely farther than along the path to success than remaining paralyzed with indecision/fear/doubt.

[Anonymous No.6687633]

>>6687403
nah i take them seriously. I started studying 2 hours daily because of what Dave Rapoza said. It's anoying when ic crabs talk about how studying is worthless and what not and ''just draw'' and then dont post work.

[Anonymous No.6687650]

>>6687416
no, the harder you study the WORSE and STIFFER your art gets.

[Anonymous No.6687657]

>>6687628
I reached a similar conclusion, but for me it’s humor, I just find it extremely easy to work on images I find funny. The problem is I’m an edgelord and not a lot of people seem to find the images funny, plus some types tend to get butthurt about it, so I get bummed out afterwards.

[Anonymous No.6687666]

>>6687657
Sounds like you're already in the best place to post your work then. There are pieces of mine floating around here from the early 10's and it always gives me a smile to see someone saved my shitty doodle. Just choose a board or two and drawfag for something you enjoy. Every /vg/ general is full of at least a few of those. Just don't namefag and go out of your way to say "HEY I DREW THIS" for obvious reasons. At least if you put a handle/sig somewhere on it, some curious anons will eventually link it back to w/e platform you choose.

[Anonymous No.6687669]

>>6686929
Books and videos are overrated. Literally just draw. Only lazy people will make excuses to not draw. NGMI OP

[Anonymous No.6687682]

>>6687666
I do, and yeah, it’s amazing when you see someone reposting your shit, but it’s not a hit. Most people here either want porn or they’re newfags who get upset at anything slightly edgy, most people in drawthreads get super upset if you take an idea in another direction, and the drawthreads where that might not be an issue are fuckawful spamfests where you have 5/6 chance of spending time on something an autist spent 5 seconds thinking about before putting it in his bot spam list. Not to mention the pace of the boards means you can’t spend too much time on anything or you missed the opportunity to post in context.
People here will act like they’re some paragons of counter culture, but think tableguy is going too far.

[Anonymous No.6687684]

If you want to travel a thousand steps, your goal isn't to make a thousand steps; your goal is to make a single step a thousand times.

[Anonymous No.6687698]

>>6687682
It's the nature of the beast. Ideally that's why you look for the right subculture/niche to work within. Having a solid understanding of both your subject and audience is the key to getting the reaction you desire. "Less is more" tends to be the golden rule with most humorous art in particular. I've had pieces I'd spent waaaay too much time on fall completely flat vs ones I'd maybe spent an hour at most half-assing get spammed thread after thread. Gotta have a thickskin too, which goes without saying. I'm being a bit vague since I don't know anything about your art other than it being "edgy humor" (which could mean any number of different things depending on how long you've been here and what boards you frequent), but if you're having more fun than not doing it, then it's working. Rooting for you, anon.

[Anonymous No.6687735]

>>6687698
Thanks, anon. We’re all gonna make it (we are not all gonna make it)

[Anonymous No.6687760]

>>6687626
>>6687628
>>6687684
>>6687735
I agree with every word, this is pure motivation, we will do it!

[Anonymous No.6687782]

>>6687628
But how can you draw for fun when you don't know how to draw!
Whoopidee doo da. I drew awful human figures fucking. That doesn't teach me how to draw structures, muscles, or shadows

[Anonymous No.6687784]

>>6687782
retard

[Anonymous No.6687791]

>>6687784
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.6687800]

>>6687782
In my opinion, you should first have fun just putting shapes and objects on a blank canvas, in any position from any angle from any perspective (single-point, double-point, etc.), then move on to combining shapes together. Gradual construction of light and shadow, practice in gesture drawing, adding knowledge of shapes to gesture sketching, etc.

[Anonymous No.6687819]

>>6686929
Draw more. Otherwise, know that self-learning is hard and not for everyone: pay someone good money to guide you.

Same as for every discipline.

[Anonymous No.6687834]

>>6687650
I could see that too. See how challenging it is to give a concrete answer though? It's different for everybody so just do what you find fun honestly.

[Anonymous No.6687861]

>>6687782
>But how can you draw for fun when you don't know how to draw!
anon, perhaps you didn't gather from my post that "knowing how to draw" (unless you literally have never picked up a pencil and doodled in your life) is largely subjective. I'd been (very casually) drawing on and off since I was 8 years old by the time I was struggling with my experiences mentioned above and I still saw myself as "not knowing how to draw". If you're so self-critical about your own art that it literally prevents you from putting pen to paper you are either: a) better than you give yourself credit for or b) need to remember a time you had fun drawing and why you wanted to learn to draw in the first place and start from there.

It doesn't matter if you draw literal sonichu-tier garbage right now if you can find a way to enjoy even drawing that. Then watch a video/read a book/look at a single god damn guide on "hey why do my character's arms look fucky?" and try to make them a little less fucky. They don't have to be perfect, just better than they were last time. Rinse, repeat. Keep trying something until it clicks in your head, even if it takes months/years of nothing making sense. I learned more about how to figure draw from a single 30min Glenn Vilpuu video than several semesters of life drawing in a studio. And it's not like you HAVE to start from a certain point either, no matter what autists here will tell you otherwise. You want to learn perspective? Draw fuggin blocks and buildings to your heart's content or don't. Half the people in my senior classes had never done more than a single project in proper 3point perspective and they could still manage to make illustrations that looked awesome in spite of some of their perspectives being off.

You want to learn how to color/shade but think your line work is too dogshit to be fun? Use someone else's linework and go nuts. Hell I used to do that for old black and white warhammer art.

[Anonymous No.6687950]

>>6686931
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain actually kinda works, though I didn't finish the book. It forces you to slow down, and you're 100% better able to replicate drawings or real life things. The upside down method is quite good.

[Anonymous No.6688052]

>>6687669
DRAW WHAT

[Anonymous No.6688054]

>>6687684
Anon im autistic please spell it out

[Anonymous No.6688087]

>>6687220
>CSR
>Saki-chan

So basically, fuck anatomy and pour rendering like it is cement? Got it!

[Anonymous No.6688091]

>>6687220
Weird. I had been doing the exact same thing, and only thing I got out of it was getting knocked out of a Discord server.

I would why?

[Anonymous No.6688095]

>>6687628
Based

[Anonymous No.6688112]

THERE IS NO SECRET TRICK NIGGER IT'S LITERALLY JUST DRAW AND STUDY FUNDAMENTALS THINK 3D DRAW 3D THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT MY GOOODD

[Anonymous No.6688134]

>>6688054
Break down your goals into small bits of progress you can easily achieve.
Something can seem insurmountable and unachievable if you're always focusing on the destination; but sometimes you just have to walk forward bit by bit in order to get things done.

[Anonymous No.6688177]

>>6688112
>JUST DO IT BRO ITS SO EASY BRO
Gee thanks

[Anonymous No.6688186]

>>6688112
>study fundamentals

[Anonymous No.6688224]

>>6688091
They were all jelly crabs who want you to fail. Your special and everyone is afraid of your talent.
Life is all about making people jealous of your social status and material possessions. Don't bat an eye about throwing anyone under the bus when it can benefit you or networking with others for your own benefit. Don't put effort into anything and always blame others because they all want you to fail or for not telling you the secret tricks, don't let others tell you otherwise.

When you're finally famous & rich, everyone will regret not worshipping you, king.

[Anonymous No.6688292]

>>6687782
It teaches you how to love the act of drawing, ensuring that you'll want to keep doing it and not remain stuck as a beginner forever.
Draw the things that you like, use references and don't be afraid to try new tools. More advanced knowledge should only come later, and for now what should be focused on is making sure that the subject of your art is identifiable.
You'll learn way more if you just draw and then later compare it with the work of others and also photos to see where you got things wrong and how to make it better. Once you identify the problem then you can focus on it and study further.

What do you like drawing? Humans? Animals? Architecture? Pick something, draw a lot, observe and compare. However, don't get too comfy and challenge yourself to draw new things or difficult things within a field of interest.
The hardest part is to keep going. That is why you have to love it and understand that improvement comes with time. Just draw. Copy photos, copy other drawings you found interesting, trace, do whatever you feel like doing as long as you enjoy it. Persevere and don't let the first results that are going to be shit bring you down.
If you feel like you are lacking ideas, look at more art, watch movies, play games, read books, anything that will help you grow your visual library and feed your creativity.

>Beware of the headshot jail
Maybe make some art friends, too

[Anonymous No.6689211]

So many NGMI faggots on this board who just want to get quickly good at something, this is the mentality all these youtube hustle faggots push and crypto bros too, then they see rich fucks on Instagram and Social Media who made it and want to be the same, and think only about short term quick rich scheme, all this time they are wasting looking for the "secret" could have spend to actually become good at something, but they're just too retarded and ADHD thanks to social media to get it.
>BRO JUST BUY MY COURSE AND GET RICH! 10k a month GUARANTEED!
>BRO JUST BUY THIS NFT AND GET RICH TRUST ME!
>BRO BUY THIS CRYPTO-TOKEN IT'S THE FUTURE!


There is and NEVER WILL BE a shortcut to success. Hard fucking work, grinding, learning, planning, discipline, every single fucking day. I don't know where this mindset was lost, probably with the increasing usage of social media and the new zoomer generation growing up on it fucked their minds up on a fundamental level, it's not even funny anymore.

[Anonymous No.6689235]

>>6689211
>m-m-muh generation was better
cope with ur snake oil, door-to-door sales, and self help books lmao.

[Anonymous No.6689354]

>>6686929
Read Loomis.

[Anonymous No.6689364]

You live in times when you can find endless amounts of information for free, you can learn almost anything and you still want to be a spoon feed artists? Pathetic ngmi

[Anonymous No.6689403]

>>6689211
>just practice bro
yes we all know thats how it works down here now what the fuck do i practice

[Anonymous No.6689405]

>>6689211
Anon that was way too many words to say "just draw"

[Anonymous No.6689517]

>>6686929
1. Get books on drawing
2. Read and copy out of said books.
3. Use references

[Anonymous No.6689518]

>>6687015
If you can't read a book you're never going to make it at anything

[Anonymous No.6689573]

>>6689403
Just go to /asg/ and go on that anime girl grind

[Anonymous No.6689583]

>>6686982
If you ever manage to learn to read, Drawing On the Right Side of the Brain has an updated version out for a while now that has a forward that denounces the pseudo science aspect. The reason why it's still recommended is because it teaches absolute beginners how to switch from symbol drawing to drawing what they actually see. NOW READ IT

[Anonymous No.6689717]

>>6689518
I HAVE TIKTOK BRAIN

[Anonymous No.6690618]

>>6689354
Are you retarded? Loomis sucks ass. Try Gottfried Bammes instead.

[Anonymous No.6690703]

>>6686929
Good

[Anonymous No.6690781]

>>6689717
You keep making excuses. YNGMI.

[Anonymous No.6690819]

>>6687220
me in the left I'm the worm

[Anonymous No.6690870]

>>6690781
HOW AM I GONNA REEEAAADDD

[Anonymous No.6692795]

>>6686929
"just draw" and "just play" are what people tell you when they ddont feel like giving a proper reply
i would say look into the fundamentals of art,
i saw someone post a highly detailed infogrpahic on /trash/ but i didnt save it :c

[Anonymous No.6694174]

>>6689235
It literally is tho. Zoomers are the first generation to grow up with literal mindcontrol poison 24/7 in their hands.