/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate general

[Anonymous No.6671817]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the stickies

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous Thread :>>6667478

[Anonymous No.6671821]

[Anonymous No.6671825]

4th day. I got to get those cubes right. Good luck everyone.

[Anonymous No.6671827]

>>6671821
good file name, is the jaw supposed to look unhinged? because he is looking down, so it seems and the teeth look like front perspective

[Anonymous No.6671839]

Ref
>https://fearandhunger.wiki.gg/wiki/Guard#/media/File:Guard_(Ballista).png

[Anonymous No.6671858]

>>6671825
Go cube boy go!
Good luck to you as well, and don't forget to have fun!
Draw a smiley face on the side of a cube once in a while

[Anonymous No.6671861]

Is he right?
https://youtu.be/TMynlk7KhXs?t=295

He posts on /ASG/

[Anonymous No.6671886]

>>6671839
"done"
>>6671879

[Anonymous No.6671887]

I got drunk and drew some bones

[Anonymous No.6671892]

>>6671887
Gmi.

[Anonymous No.6671943]

>>6671861
>gay weebshit
who cares

[Anonymous No.6671955]

everyone who unironically posts here needs to kill themselves

[Anonymous No.6671957]

Thought itd be fun to draw some ocs for a comic im planning ,love any critique on my inking anatomy, and painting, did this on a4 then scanned it in to clip studio to paint
>>6671955
true

[Anonymous No.6671959]

>>6671957

[Anonymous No.6671960]

>>6671959

[Anonymous No.6671981]

will I ever make it?

[Anonymous No.6671984]

>>6671981
yeah just keep practicing and i think you can make some cute dog drawings anon

[Anonymous No.6671986]

something I did for /co/

[Anonymous No.6671987]

>>6671981
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library

[Anonymous No.6672014]

>>6671943
anime website

[Anonymous No.6672027]

>>6672014
fuck off back to /asg/

[Anonymous No.6672036]

>>6672027
only if you go back to r*ddit

[Anonymous No.6672048]

>Drawing Bridgman
>Copies actually looking pretty 'good' (relatively speaking) and manage to get to the end of the book.
>Try to draw on my own
>Revert back to old habits and feels like I've only made little progress.
Is there a next step after Bridgman? Or should I just keep applying what I learned to my own drawings?

[Anonymous No.6672050]

>>6672048
You just need to force yourself to draw that way, which it means you don't have to draw without actively thinking and retrieving the information you learned before. It's suffering but good in the long run

[Anonymous No.6672051]

>>6672048
>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1XOx2C5_7knWlq7fNwqRKkgfRW7f6EHPE?usp=sharing
Copying helps but it's not enough. Watch episode 2. Anatomy

[Anonymous No.6672054]

>>6672048
>>6672050
Bridgman is about style and asthetic of muscles. /beg/ should not learn from bridgman. It's for people from the /draw/ thread and /pro/

[Anonymous No.6672058]

>>6671839
>>6671886

[Anonymous No.6672109]

lunch sketch, and before anyone says it, no I'm not avoiding hands I just left my big sketchpad at home yesterday

[Anonymous No.6672152]

>>6672050
>>6672051
>>6672054
Thank you for advice, frens.

[Anonymous No.6672155]

Painted an orange on paint

[Anonymous No.6672157]

>>6672109
Nice job, you did the face really well. You might want to work on improving your proportions, the head is very small compared to the body.

[Anonymous No.6672175]

>>6672157
thanks, and yeah I frequently have a small head problem unless I'm working on 24x36 and can really step back from the page

[Anonymous No.6672178]

>speed through Proko to know individual muscle names, insertions, and movement, then copy Morpho and Bridgman front to back to practice forms and proportions
I'll follow this plan

[Anonymous No.6672187]

Can anyone provide some refs for oversized shirts draped on large breasts? I want to get the cloth folds somewhat right and I cannot help but feel the ones I did from memory on how cloth folds are wrong and I cannot find any decent references for this or i'm not looking in the right places. Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask for help, I barely ever use /ic/

[Anonymous No.6672192]

>>6672187
Learn how clothes work and you'll be good.

[Anonymous No.6672193]

[Anonymous No.6672197]

>>6672192
I see, do you by chance have any resources I could study for better cloth folds? Thank you for the redline help though. That actually helped out a ton with getting me to understand what I was doing wrong. I had terrible refs trying to do this.

[Anonymous No.6672201]

>>6672197
https://e-hentai.org/s/3ad087bc2d/1609963-43
Is a good place to start
Also Ron Lemens Antomy of Clothing video course is great.

[Anonymous No.6672202]

>>6672201
Thanks Anon, I appreciate your help immensely. I will be researching these all day.

[Anonymous No.6672205]

>>6672192
>gives the shirt completely different cut and characteristics
this isn't as useful as you think it is

[Anonymous No.6672217]

>>6671817
Alright,just picked up Keys to Drawing
Should I read and copy or just copy it?
And how much time should I spend in it?

[Anonymous No.6672220]

warm up sketch for today.

[Anonymous No.6672224]

>>6671817
Kudos to this thread's support for amputees playing in the NBA and for sponsoring them in their logo. Diversity and inclusiveness for all.

[Anonymous No.6672233]

>>6672058
Pathetic man meat

[Anonymous No.6672248]

>>6672233
bro that's gay af

[Anonymous No.6672270]

We beginners are all very lucky that so many of the artists with years or decades of experience have absolutely horrible taste.

[Anonymous No.6672319]

>>6672233
Based

[Anonymous No.6672321]

>>6672187
>>6672192
>torpedo tits
*puke*

[Anonymous No.6672324]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6672325]

>>6672324
Needs a dick.

[Anonymous No.6672332]

tips on building the habit?

[Anonymous No.6672340]

>>6672325
Anon do you have any idea how much courage I had to msuter up to post this on the interwebs?? And then the one reply I get is this???

[Anonymous No.6672348]

>>6672332
>https://youtu.be/PZ7lDrwYdZc
Watch the vid or download the book.

[Anonymous No.6672358]

>>6672187
>>6672192 looks correct
https://litter.catbox.moe/2a0o6a.mp4
https://litter.catbox.moe/esg73p.jpg
https://litter.catbox.moe/txqnpf.mp4

[Anonymous No.6672367]

>>6672233
are you a proper mentally ill faggot or one of those closeted ones that pretend like they're not obsessed with dicks and even if they were it totally isn't gay to put cocks on "girls"

[Anonymous No.6672369]

>>6672367
Futa isn't gay though.

[Anonymous No.6672375]

>>6672324
cute. i want to rape her.

[Anonymous No.6672377]

>>6672324
Nice lines, cute face, binary brush is a nice choice but there is a little detail. Don't hide the hands.

[Anonymous No.6672379]

>>6672324
sup beginner larper
keep drawing those 2hus "for the first time" hahaha nudge nudge wink wink

[Anonymous No.6672380]

>>6672369
I don't know if you're the dude that posted the piece but you're a closet homo anyway.

[Anonymous No.6672388]

>>6672380
>dude
There are woman on /ic/ too. Also, >>>/ic/lgbt

[Anonymous No.6672390]

>>6672380
>dude
There are woman on /ic/ too. Also, >>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.6672392]

>>6672380
Oh I am not him. I am a full blown buttslut with over two thousand dollars worth of dildos with some bigger than my own arm but girls with dicks aren't gay.

[Anonymous No.6672394]

>>6672390
>girls on the internet
lol
>links me to the faggot board when I'm hating on them
you might actually be a woman seeing how you're fucking braindead
>>6672392
at least you're honest
and yes futa is gay as fuck you can pretend like it's not all you want but you're just lying to yourself
now back to drawing with all of you

[Anonymous No.6672395]

>>6672394
cringe

[Anonymous No.6672398]

>>6672394
There is nothing more heterosexual than being married to a cute girl with a cock the size of your arm who skewers you to climax every single night of your married life.

[Anonymous No.6672400]

>>6672394
>girls on the internet
>cbsg exists
qed

[Anonymous No.6672402]

>>6672400
All of them are fags anon.

[Anonymous No.6672403]

>>6672402
sure. tell yourself that.

[Anonymous No.6672406]

>>6672402
All of them draw better than you !

[Anonymous No.6672407]

>>6672406
I am not questioning their drawing skills. I am just claiming that they are FAGS and NOT STRAIGHT WOMEN.

[Anonymous No.6672409]

>>6672407
How can you know for sure? You are actually whining and bitching like a faggot yourself. Literally come here to stir shit. Also, your opinion >>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.6672412]

>>6672377
>but there is a little detail
Did you typo that "a", do you mean there is not enough detail?
I went in to this piece with the specific goal of leveling up my detail, iterating on it until I figure out just what made my previous "works" look pathetically beginner. Good dozen things I figured out doing this.
I was thinking what the next iteration would be, and I was thinking it probably is more color. But I have no interest in making turbo fancy illustration render whatevers, I'd be happy if I can just make sketches as cute as the real japanese artists I look up to :3. And for that two-tone is more than enough.

>>6672379
Oh fuck off. Can't you see just how absolutely pathetic beginner-tier garbage my couple previous attempts were? In fact, why didn't anyone point that out to me?? I was being incredibly naive about the level of detail, had to figure that out myself. And thank god I figured it out as soon as I did.

[Anonymous No.6672418]

>>6672412
What were your previous drawings? I think I might have seen them, but I can't remember what they looked like at all.

[Anonymous No.6672419]

>no drawings for the last 40 posts
You guys still wonder why you’re ngmi…

[Anonymous No.6672421]

>>6671955
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[Anonymous No.6672423]

>>6672407
A straight woman wrote this post.

[Anonymous No.6672425]

>>6672407
>>6672406
>>6672400
>>6672394
I like that my 30 followers are there for the scribbles not my genitals.

[Anonymous No.6672426]

>>6672192
>begs giving advice
lel

[Anonymous No.6672432]

>>6672425
Based

[Anonymous No.6672433]

>>6672418
There's my original infamous noodle reimu post >>/ic/thread/6646657#p6647512
.. it's only been 2 weeks since that? God damn. I pray I can keep up this rate of improvement.

[Anonymous No.6672434]

>>6672425
Forgot to say. The hand has 4 fingers anon.

[Anonymous No.6672435]

>>6672426
It's like group therapy.

[Anonymous No.6672436]

>>6672434
Sorry anon my reference wasn't exactly human.

[Anonymous No.6672440]

>>6672433
Yeah, that's some really good progress.

[Anonymous No.6672505]

WIP

[Anonymous No.6672513]

>>6672324
why the fuck do you beggers cant pin point the neck position, pose is lifeless, needs more gesturis

[Anonymous No.6672533]

>>6672324
Cutie, very nice

[Anonymous No.6672536]

>>6672433
When did you start to draw? For how much time did you learn the basics before starting drawing your own?

[Anonymous No.6672563]

>>6672505
Crown look rediculously big, like a burger king crown.

[Anonymous No.6672575]

>>6672157
ended up being more of an issue that I bulked up her shoulder too much, plus I'm pretty sure this germ just has a small ass head

[Anonymous No.6672587]

>>6672505
Make the crown bigger.

[Anonymous No.6672630]

>>6672513
>why the fuck do you beggers cant pin point the neck position
Ooh thank you, I'll keep it in mind going forward.
About pose, getting even this right was a triumph. I'm more new to this than you think.

>>6672536
This caused a shitstorm the other thread.
I've been drawing for 20 days. This drawthread on /g/ started this phase for me https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/93234065/#93240247.. It was just a shitpost but I was really surprised I had any ability to draw even that shitty face. Though even that took way longer than I'm willing to admit.
I have NEVER even thought about any basics until that two weeks ago, when that failure of a noodle reimu forced me to think about proportions and shit.
Hold on, I'll explain.
What I've realized is that 3D stuff is just incredibly intuitive to me, this is why you can't believe I've never drawn before or practiced any basics, at least in the context of art.
But what I have a lot of background in graphics programming and stuff. Linear algebra and topology, I've been practicing spatial thinking with mathematics for like 7 years.
I had an anon validate this theory, they told me they never could understand drawing 3D, not until they started doing 3D modeling. Then it just clicked for them.
Doing computer graphics can give you strong 3D intuition. I bet you will find that pretty interesting, I certainly do. Never would have thought my maths-oriented brain had anything in common with art.

[Anonymous No.6672635]

Snorlax

[Anonymous No.6672662]

>>6671821
Cool drawing, but the jaw is too far forward. I bought a small skull for 15€ on Amazon. It's smaller than original size, but it's based on an accurate scan. That thing would help you a ton and you can pose it in different perspectives.

>>6672109
Beautiful line work. The weakest point of the drawing is the neck. The thickness of it might be accurate, but it borders on a male neck. Consider shaving off the neck, preferrably on the right where it attaches to the back of the head. Observe for movement instead of making it too straight. Her head is turned, so there should be a gracul movement of the sternocleidomastoid (look it up). This is not to show off your anatomy skills, but is a vital part of the movement and gravefulness of the figure in that pose. Step 2 is to look up the trapezius and how it relates to the neck in space. The body is not attaching to the head in a believable way in the drawing.

[Anonymous No.6672664]

>>6672630
Unless you have real good proof that was your first drawing ever in your life, it's easier to believe you're lying than to believe you have more talent than Kim Jung Gi did.

[Anonymous No.6672666]

>>6672630
Well now I am feeling worse about myself.

[Anonymous No.6672668]

Is a bloodied character considered gore on 4chins?

[Anonymous No.6672680]

>>6672513
don't be a cunt to beginners filipino

[Anonymous No.6672681]

>>6672630
Thank you for answering, I just started drawing 4 days prior and can't do shit. I believe the other anon is right, you have a great capacity to mentalize space thanks to your studies. Not only your first drawing was good for a total beg but your improvement over the course of 20 days is even more incredible.
Keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.6672688]

>>6672664
>Unless you have real good proof that was your first drawing ever in your life
And how the hell are you supposed to prove something like that? Also, obviously I was forced to draw in school like everyone else like 10 years ago, but that I don't think counts.
I believe I gave you a really reasonable explanation why I have the "talent" I do. Nobody's born with this stuff, it all comes from somewhere.

>>6672680
NONONONONO if you want to improve at something, listening to the elitist cunt's opinion is the best thing you can do. I'm grateful that there's people who can show me the path forward. I'm blind to it myself.

[Anonymous No.6672693]

>>6663344
>the more theoretical knowledge you have as a beginner the harder you will hate your drawings.

is it true, /beg/?

[Anonymous No.6672694]

>>6672688
>elitist cunt's opinion
more like the opinion of a seanig stagnant for 4 years

[Anonymous No.6672711]

>>6672693
I will share a quote with you.


Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through
- Ira Glass.

[Anonymous No.6672719]

>>6672711
I vill draw my shit and I vill not like it

[Anonymous No.6672721]

>>6672693
yes because i said it

>>6672711

good post

[Anonymous No.6672747]

>>6672688
NTA, but in my country I wasn't forced to draw at all, art classes were only about art history, well maybe because my school was a money laundering scheme (true story). Anyways, don't go dismissing whatever drawing you did as a kid, some people like I didn't even did that.

[Anonymous No.6672754]

It's over for me. All my life I've been afraid of failure and it's the same with art for me. I have this subconscious inner blockade that makes me do literally ANYTHING but drawing. Everytime I take the pencil into my hand, I dread the hundreds upon hundreds of hours it will take me before I will produce my dream works, and all the failures on the way to that point.

I literally was choosing to fucking MOW THE LAWN today instead of drawing, because mowing the lawn can't be failed. I'm such a pathetic loser.

[Anonymous No.6672761]

>>6672662
yeah, I have since pronounced the trapezius on the left side of the neck more and softened the linework in that area where the neck is coming toward the clavicle and it seemed to do a lot to address the issue. The sternocleidomastoid is a really solid tip, I'll for sure have to pay more attention to that moving forward

[Anonymous No.6672767]

Another day, another shitty pencil sketch

[Anonymous No.6672768]

>>6672754
you probably didnt mow straight lines on the lawn

[Anonymous No.6672769]

>>6672394
Why are you a pearl clutching normalfaggot? Maybe reddit would be more your speed.

[Anonymous No.6672775]

>>6672324
Pretty good, what program are you using? Those lines are weird, like pixel art, but not on purpose. Is this Paint?

[Anonymous No.6672785]

Then I fucked it up coloring it. Three features got bigger. The face wasn't great to begin with.
Drawing faces at this size is pretty hard. I'm using an HB 0.5mm lead. I might swap it out for a 4h lead.
I'm also curious how many beg are digital only and have no concept of working without zoom and ctr z.
I tried going over it with a white gelly roll pen and had some interesting results. You can almost blend it like oils. I could never get it to match the rest of the tone.
I think I'm going to do some larger scale faces. It's so hard working at this scale.

[Anonymous No.6672786]

>>6672768
y-yes I did..

[Anonymous No.6672805]

>>6672786
Aren't you mikufag? The guy that draws the fem version of squidward?

[Anonymous No.6672818]

>>6672805
No I wish, I'm the prebeg who made this abomination and then some AI fag made this into a fully rendered drawing, great thread

[Anonymous No.6672827]

>>6672818
What the fuck? Wasn't there a Satania poster that's been here for almost a decade? How many Satania posters are there?

[Anonymous No.6672829]

>>6672818
All you sataniaposters blend together.

[Anonymous No.6672832]

How well can you draw obscene breasts?

[Anonymous No.6672835]

>>6672827
i heard my name, did you call me?

>>6672829
i know for sure i'm not the only one

[Anonymous No.6672836]

>>6672827
We are of infinite number.

[Anonymous No.6672842]

>>6672754
just copy until you feel like actually drawing something original

[Anonymous No.6672844]

>>6672832
I can't, but I would love to learn because I fucking love mega milkies. Those look pretty good.

[Anonymous No.6672848]

This thread was an abortion.
Where's the banhammer when you need it

[Anonymous No.6672856]

>>6672818
Honestly if you just move the eye on the right a bit, the face wouldn’t be half bad.

[Anonymous No.6672874]

>>6672818
Kek, you should take classes from the JustStartedAnon, it's incredible how you missed every fundamental.
Crabbing aside, why don't you redraw it? It's far easier the second time.

[Anonymous No.6672880]

>>6672818

[Anonymous No.6672896]

>>6672630
>if you want to learn computers you have to be good at math
>if you want to be good at art you have to be good at math
Holy fucking shit I give up. Everything worth learning is just Math.

[Anonymous No.6672901]

>>6672896
bitter samefag

[Anonymous No.6672916]

>>6672880
SNIFFA

[Anonymous No.6672923]

>>6672630
Did you use reference for your both of these (/g/ thread and this one) or all out of imagination?

[Anonymous No.6672926]

>>6672785
I' don't know if it is correct to do a red line here, because you're doing the right thing: Working from reference and doing the grinding, no one should interfere with that, please keep drawing this, as much as you can.

But you said something about the face, and I know it's very discouraging when faces don't look nice, that's what we all want deep inside "At least let me get the face right goddamit" lol. My advice is to simplify the face features, as much as you can. Less is more on faces. Don't delineate lips and teeth. Don't detail noses, avoid the detailed hair, use shape blocks to insinuate a hairstyle, without the hair detail in it. . Just that.

Keep at it man. Do the sketches, all the sketches you can do, don't bother too much to polish them neither, just keep drawing more. Leave the color process for later ahead.

[Anonymous No.6672938]

>>6672832
FUCKING AWESOME. SAVED. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.6672976]

>>6672775
There is a Japanese-borrowed internet slang term for art made with simple tools, "Oekaki". I adore the style, it very much brings you back to 2007. Pure soul.
I'm using Gimp, but since I was a total beginner more or less, I wanted to keep the complexity of my tools down. I know this oekaki style can look great, so I can just focus on drawing, not worry about learning fancy tools or debating what kind of lineart I want to do. I'm also using a mouse, so that gave me another reason to go with something easy to work with.

>>6672747
Haha.
What I remember doing in the latter years is just trace internet memes for the school art classes. Shitposting irl, god that was cringy but I regret nothing.
I suppose there's some of that copying you guys tell beginners to do.

>>6672681
>Keep drawing.
I will. I'm utterly curious myself what level am I able to reach.

>>6672896
kek
I mean you don't really need any formal math background even for graphics programming, I didn't know anything advanced when I started. You learn it all by doing, actually that's the best way to learn. But eventually you need the formal theory, or you'll be stuck a self-taught amateur.

>>6672923
>Did you use reference for your both of these (/g/ thread and this one) or all out of imagination?
What's with this binary thinking on this board?
There is no single reference. But I obviously looked up and took inspiration from various sources. Isn't that what all artists do?
I've gathered like hundreds of pics in these couple weeks to learn drawn various bits and pieces.
A lot of it is just redraw until it looks good. Takes forever but once you get something that looks good, now you know how it's done.

[Anonymous No.6672986]

>>6672976
>2007
holy shit fucking zoomers kys

[Anonymous No.6672990]

>>6672986
kiss to you my little grandpa :)

[Anonymous No.6673000]

>>6672986
I WANT TO GO BACK

[Anonymous No.6673007]

>>6672688
>obviously I was forced to draw in school like everyone else
Never drew anything freehand at school, only those technical geometrical axonometries. What do they make you draw in your country?

[Anonymous No.6673022]

>>6673007
God I don't even remember anymore. Some perspective geometry stuff we had too.
As I said above I was just copying internet memes in the latter years :D back when no normie knew what a image board was

[Anonymous No.6673024]

>>6672986
nta but how is being nostalgic about 2007 being a zoomer?

[Anonymous No.6673027]

>>6672976
>Oekaki
Oh, that makes sense now. Well, to each their own, you can make some crazy good looking shit with a Mac 2, why not with a mouse and Gimp.
If you allow a recommendation from now on, do sketches on paper to get your ideas down quickly, drawing with a mouse seems like it takes a ton of time, so a pencil for sketching and then you translate it to digital seems like a good process.

[Anonymous No.6673030]

>>6672635

[Anonymous No.6673044]

[Anonymous No.6673101]

>I will start to draw when I can draw a box from every perspective!
>I will draw my own perfect work when I mastered building up a mannequin as squares or spheres and cylinders!
>I will start to draw when I mastered loomis!
>I will start to draw when I autistically studied every muscles of the human body!
>I will start to draw when I took a physics class in how light bounces off and diffuses of different objects and through different mediums!
>I will start to draw when I know know how perspective works, I even watch flathn earther videos because they know best!
>I will start to draw when I drew billions of gesture drawings that consist of 5 curved lines each!
>I will start to draw when I can model an anime head out of clay!
>I will start to draw when I keep drawing boxes and spheres and shade them!
>I will start to draw when I have read every art book in existence and visited every museum on the planet!


meanwhile simply drew and copied anime girls for years and is better than every single one of you in every regard

[Anonymous No.6673103]

>>6672926
This was the source.
I get more motivation to continue from a finished product. I've tried mass figure drawing. I even tried following vilppu in a couple of his videos. That turns me off. I have a bad history of not finishing things. It's personal with me. Maybe I just need to tell myself that I've completed enough shitty sketches and go back to timed figure drawing.
The other issue is reference source. I'm generally doing this from my phone in the daylight and even in the shade the ambient light makes it hard to see so grinding out one is kinda easier. This phone has shit backlighting, but it was marked down 90% so I couldn't pass it up.
My background in miniature painting makes it so that I'm better at shading and color than drawing (although you wouldn't know looking at this one.) I enjoy that part. It makes grinding out the form worth it.
What I'm effectively doing is creating my own adult coloring book.
If course, if I did crank out a lot of figures, I'd have a lot to color...

[Anonymous No.6673107]

>>6673101
I say these things and do none of them, then continuously get more frustrated at my own inability and years I've wasted longing for something that feels further and further out of reach.

[Anonymous No.6673109]

>>6673101
They do sound like that sometimes.
However, even though I agree with the sentiment I got to say it.
PYW.

[Anonymous No.6673113]

>>6673103
not him, but get onto quickposes.com or line-of-action.com

Just do a 30 minute session. Its shows you the pictures in rapid succession and you have to draw under a time limit. It makes it really easy to jump from one figure to the next.

You're literally never going to improve if you get stuck turd polishing. This isn't even me attacking you, it's just a phenomena that has snuffed out many people from learning to draw. You think you have motivation now? Wait one more year, when everyone else has improved way more, and you're stuck around the same place

[Anonymous No.6673114]

>>6673103
Hmmm. I fucked up and cleared the image file...
This is my big problem. I'm so mentally exhausted lately. Part of it is it gets dark late sand in getting up early to hoard overtime. I'll have a big check, but I can't think...

[Anonymous No.6673123]

>>6673113
I'll try it. Like I just said, my biggest problem is mental fatigue. I'd be drawing right now, but my head is so groggy.
I'll open those sights in some tabs and look at them after I've gotten some rest. I'll get two days of this weekend probably.

[Anonymous No.6673133]

>some people actually buy the 20-day beginner drawing and shading from imagination larp, and feeling bad about "not being as talented"
Literally no master, no matter how talented they were, could draw and shade from imagination in 20 days, within 3 drawings, even if the figure was slightly off.
Do you really think this attention starved nigger is unlocking some kind of arcane drawing knowledge and skipping all the steps that every artist has to tread?
Why do you think this attention starved nigger never clarified his process beyond just saying this:
>it takes a lot of time bro! im perfecting every pixel!
Don't let yourself get demotivated or demoralized because while he doesn't care about whether you're feeling alright with your progress, he's just trying to make himself feel better.
I'm already making a mistake by giving the attentionwhore attention here, so don't be like me and ignore him next time he shows up. One thread did it the right way: they did literally ignore him. He immediately began asking "why is everyone ignoring me?" so that should make his intentions pretty obvious.
>how do you know this?
Because I used the same cope when I was starting to draw. My drawings looked like shit, even the stuff I was trying to copy, so I would replicate it or even trace sometimes to impress the people who were curious about my progress. Then, I'd insist that "it took a super duper long time but I made it!" It made me feel better about myself and how shit I was. I'm guessing this nigger has no friends so he's using us as a proxy for that. There.

[Anonymous No.6673139]

>>6673133
but that's every /beg/ schizo, anon

[Anonymous No.6673143]

>>6673133
this

[Anonymous No.6673149]

>>6673123
>my biggest problem is mental fatigue. I'd be drawing right now, but my head is so groggy.
it builds up, and it takes time. Eventually, drawing will be like breathing

[Anonymous No.6673167]

>>6673109
ok here is my work

[Anonymous No.6673173]

>>6673149
It's not just drawing. My life has basically been an episode of house md. I'm fucking with my diet, I'm trying vitamins, I'm doing cardio and calisthenics. The big problem is the early shift and lack of sleep. There's other shit I don't want to get into. I probably shouldn't even be on here so much. I changed the furnace filter and opened all the windows, I'm hoping this will help. Smoking used to help, but I pretty much started drawing because I needed something to do with my hands after I quit smoking.
I'll be okay. I just got to get caught up on sleep and lose a little more weight I think. I hope that will fix it.

[Anonymous No.6673177]

>>6673167
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.6673180]

>>6673167
Compositionally, this is amusing and clever. The maid outfit and fan are pretty compelling.

[Anonymous No.6673187]

>>6673173
if you're fat, that's probably the reason behind all the physical fatigue, aches, and pain that you're feeling. It's amazing how your physical condition affects your mental world

[Anonymous No.6673196]

>>6673044
nice. I learned something from this

[Anonymous No.6673201]

>>6673187
I've been fatter my whole life. I'm in the best shape over been in in 7 years, better of you consider I'm not smoking. I've still got a ways to go and as I'm older the only way to lose more is eat less. The catch is, now that I way less my cut calories are now maintenance calories. Add the long and unpredictable work hours and shit gets exponentially harder. Add to that I hurt my back slightly and I don't want to take a chance working out (although I'm probably fine now, it was almost two weeks ago.)
I'm just in this weird transition state and nothing makes clear sense. I'll get through it. If I get Sunday and Monday off I can catch up on sleep and other shit and work out a schedule where I get everything done. I also got to cut 500 calories from my daily consumption. I'm still keeping track.
I should get off here and go to /fit/ until my brain fog clears.

[Anonymous No.6673202]

>>6673024
I'm nostalgic for anything pre 2015

[Anonymous No.6673203]

>>6673167
>>6673177

This is AI art btw

[Anonymous No.6673204]

>>6673133
There's probably no convincing you can't believe in the graphics theory but
>could draw and shade from imagination
Where did I say this, and what the hell do you guys even mean by this??
I did not draw or shade or even pose it in a vacuum, I copiously referenced the artists I liked, I've said this a couple times already. There's indeed NO WAY IN HELL I would have ever figured any of that out, if I tried to just do my own thing.
This is the method >>6673101. Just fucking copy, BUT NOT THE WHOLE, just the patterns. Like, big-picture patterns too. Like for the (passable) pose, if you just have the hips forward the pose works by default. That's what I noticed looking at copious amount of art. Once the big picture was alright, I started iterating on the smaller patterns.
This is how those machine learning models work too. They don't practice loomis or whatever, you get pretty far with just patterns. And even the diffusion process is somewhat similar to what I did here.
There, again, my compsci background giving me unorthodox ideas.

I did not even join the thread announcing who I was this time, although the attention is amusing (and why I played into it in past threads), I wanted actual feedback, not drama.

[Anonymous No.6673205]

>>6673203
Yeah, we can tell.

[Anonymous No.6673209]

>>6673203
I suspected. That's why I said nothing about the execution. Just the composition choices.
The skin fold inside the right thigh is a dead giveaway.

[Anonymous No.6673226]

>>6673133
>>6673204
>Why do you think this attention starved nigger never clarified his process beyond just saying this:
Here's the clarification for the process if that will convince you.
I'm just throwing shit at the wall until it starts to work. Particularly with the hair, took a good amount of experimentation to get something that didn't suck absolute ass.
God that mcdonalds red reimu sketch is hilarious, how did I ever think that color was fine??

[Anonymous No.6673227]

I wonder what percent of employed, professional artists started as adults

my pure stab in the dark guess would be single digits

[Anonymous No.6673234]

>>6673201
The danger of using stims during art. once the extra energy is gone from quitting your body and brain is like

[Anonymous No.6673236]

>>6673227
Well, yeah, you need a lot of time to git gud enough to be a pro and most adults have to work to make a living. If you're coming home from work there is 0 chance you have enough energy to draw enough to make good progress.

[Anonymous No.6673241]

>>6673227
It's a minority, but quite a lot start as adults. Craig Mullins was one, who started drawing at 22. David Finch started at 20 years old, after 4 years of being a high school dropout. Sinix started at 19

[Anonymous No.6673244]

[Anonymous No.6673253]

I'VE GOT A HEADACHE
GONNA DRAW ANYWAY
NO HEADACHE GOING TO STOP ME

[Anonymous No.6673309]

I would like some advice I plan on doing these asaro head references to get more familiar with the planes of the head, is this a solid approach? Would I be better off working through this problem a different way? I am a turbo beg and I've never actually done a study if that's what this is. Is a study just drawing out something to get a deeper understanding? Should I be more precise or more open to experimentation? Sorry for my lack of understanding I am just worried I will spend the next few hours in vain

[Anonymous No.6673314]

>>6673309
You should learn how to draw proportionally, accuracy drawing will help you improve your asaro heads.

[Anonymous No.6673317]

I don't know why but something about how i shade feels...off to me. I've been reading keys to drawings and now I'm on chapter 4. Would love some criticism and tips.

[Anonymous No.6673318]

>>6673314
So for the next couple I should be focused on making them as accurate as possible in order to better understand the plane relationships? And by accuracy you mean to really focus on the proportional relationships I'm assuming? Thank you for the advice

[Anonymous No.6673319]

Hello beg. Finished the book. And my head exploded during this last chapter. Did you know that despite the fact the sun is fucking infinitely away from earth and therefore all the sun rays are practically parallel they still create casted shadows WHICH CONVERGE towards horizon??? I didnt. I literally had to stare at photos to confirm this. And if the sun was still out i would run outside to perform physic test. Perspective. Wow.

>>6672785
i suggest using black pencil more and make the shades more obvious
>why
you will learn more simply by doing it. feeling the form, anatomy and as bonus your figures will look less flat and with a bit of luck even more appeal
>>6672754
sounds to me like you turned drawing into chore. my advice? dont do studies. do doodles for fun
>and if it isnt fun
then you got filtered and its time to pick up different hobby like jerking it to anime
>>6672155
thumbs up
>>6671986
flat. and not as in no boobs, but as in no forms
>>6671957
looking cool

[Anonymous No.6673320]

>>6673317
Use the side of your pencil to shade

[Anonymous No.6673321]

>>6673318
This will teach you everything you want to know in regards to accuracy drawing and its importance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw

[Anonymous No.6673323]

>>6673319
If the shadows are parallel just like the light source isn't that why they converge?

[Anonymous No.6673325]

>>6673321
thank you anon you are very kind

[Anonymous No.6673326]

>>6672217
...So??

[Anonymous No.6673327]

how can i get a slick geometric paint style like this?
anyone know what the fuck i mean?

[Anonymous No.6673328]

>>6673317
You don't feel the line either. What lead grade are you using? What would you use to shade while painting?

[Anonymous No.6673330]

>Too many off-topic discussions and not enough drawing and criticism.

[Anonymous No.6673333]

>>6673330
Is this your first time in /beg/?

[Anonymous No.6673335]

>>6673330
critiq my shit up then

[Anonymous No.6673336]

I'm going to be done with Chapter 1 of DAB soon, is it REALLY necessary that I do the 250 boxes after it? That's like 40+ sheets.
I WILL do it, unless I shouldn't. Just asking.

[Anonymous No.6673337]

>>6673335
You draw like SEAkun except more beg

[Anonymous No.6673345]

>>6673335
ass not big enough

[Anonymous No.6673347]

>>6673336
>is it REALLY necessary that I do the 250 boxes after it
nope, but you need draw boxes as construcion with different levels of complexity to git gud

[Anonymous No.6673353]

>>6673336
Instead, do 84 studies of the 3 masses (Head, rib cage and pelvis) transformed into boxes, that's 252 boxes, but way more interesting to draw. Take whatever references you like, then you will probably be able to finish it. Do the last half of them from imagination.
Now, about if you should or not: It's an exercise meant to drill you all kinds of box positions, if that is a goal that you want to do, then do it. You will never have difficulty drawing boxes after it. But if it isn't part of your skillgoal, like, if you want to be an anime portrait illustrator, then don't, it will be a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.6673362]

Draw 4000 mario characters and call me in the morning.

[Anonymous No.6673368]

>>6673353
Well, apart from drawing anime girls I would also be able to draw backgrounds, buildings, and objects like tools and weapons, and those are quite hard-edge with sharp angles and boxy silhouettes. And spatial reasoning is going to matter pretty much everywhere, even if I just wanted to draw cartoon sluts.
Thanks for the idea anon, I'll consider it when I make my choice.

[Anonymous No.6673380]

[Anonymous No.6673381]

for those who asked the ref from last thread was actually this drawing

[Anonymous No.6673388]

Trying a new color layer I dropped by accident.

[Anonymous No.6673391]

[Anonymous No.6673392]

>>6673353
honestly I think drawing boxes devoid of context kinda doesn't work to to drill them into you because, devoid of context you're just drawing whatever
putting them into the context of eg. this represents a chest facing this way or that makes it much easier and more effective to learn

[Anonymous No.6673399]

What's the art scene like in Brazil?

[Anonymous No.6673400]

Do these look different enough apart the hair or it just looks the same character?

[Anonymous No.6673406]

Does anyone have that one website that would pick a random object to draw?

[Anonymous No.6673410]

>>6673400
same char

[Anonymous No.6673411]

>>6673399
Off-topic
>>6673406
Google, Pinterest.
Please stop asking retarded questions.

[Anonymous No.6673413]

>>6673411
>>6673406

[Anonymous No.6673415]

[Anonymous No.6673419]

Why do so many artist teachers pretend that the rib cage has a backward angle when it really doesn't?

[Anonymous No.6673424]

>>6673362
Saved

[Anonymous No.6673426]

>>6673419
m v fem

[Anonymous No.6673439]

How good is this?

[Anonymous No.6673440]

>>6673419
Stop being dumb and retarded help.

[Anonymous No.6673451]

>>6673439
The premise of your question is faulty

[Anonymous No.6673453]

man, i fucking still suck with guidelines. krita 2 point perspective tool

[Anonymous No.6673467]

Hand practices

[Anonymous No.6673482]

>>6673467
bro...

[Anonymous No.6673487]

anyone here know where the foot might go / how to fix the leg closest to the viewer pls

[Anonymous No.6673514]

>>6673487

[Anonymous No.6673517]

>>6673514
thank you anon i swear to you my first born AND i promise not to drink while pregnant

[Anonymous No.6673528]

>>6673487
something like this ig

[Anonymous No.6673540]

A little self-indulgent sketch. I think I am not afraid of faces anymore. At least not as much.

[Anonymous No.6673542]

>>6673400
I think I see some difference in the width of their jaws.
Bratty -> Stupid -> Cumdump -> CBT hag -> Dumb hag.

[Anonymous No.6673545]

Im designing a prodigy warlock magic user in his late 20's for a custom DnD card commission. Im planning on adding a magic creature growling ferociously to his right.

Its obviosuly not done yet, but what are your thoughts on it so far? (im tired as fuck, ill finish it tomorrow)

[Anonymous No.6673562]

>>6673545
you shouldn't be among us crabs

[Anonymous No.6673572]

>>6673545
The limbs are too short/small or thinn look at that leg in the left, he also has the narrowest shoulder ever the foreshortening in the leg on right is fucked up, that leg is too short, if you had draw the lower part of the leg vissible in a way it would have worked out, looks like a bad referenced image desu, you are also overdoing it with the drappery, it almost looks like hair

[Anonymous No.6673584]

>>6673528
Thank you anon!!

[Anonymous No.6673594]

How to stop feeling envy?

[Anonymous No.6673598]

how do i leave beg mode...

[Anonymous No.6673604]

>>6673572
i apreciate the crit man. i never noticed that.

[Anonymous No.6673606]

>>6673598
watch love life drawing on yt. or marc brunet (skip the cringe intros). orrr david finch (he has everything)

[Anonymous No.6673615]

>>6673598
That isn't beg fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6673616]

Why did you guys start drawing?

[Anonymous No.6673622]

>>6673615

[Anonymous No.6673623]

>>6673606
shill
>>6673615
blind crab with low standard
>>6673616
Off-topic

[Anonymous No.6673628]

WIP

[Anonymous No.6673629]

>>6673598
finish something you nigger, then get a following and post on a weekly schedule.

[Anonymous No.6673632]

>>6673616
There wasn't enough art of my waifu so i had to make it myself.

[Anonymous No.6673645]

>>6673628
Soul

[Anonymous No.6673651]

>be me
>wanted to draw for 3 years now
>didnt know how to start
>still dont know how to start
>most I can draw is elementary style shapes and stickmen
if I knew how to draw i'd be passable by now

[Anonymous No.6673652]

>>6673651
See >>6672051

[Anonymous No.6673653]

>>6673651
you can't learn how to draw in just 3 years. I takes decades.

[Anonymous No.6673655]

>>6673651
>>6673651
Big mistake. I wanted to start drawing in 2018. Didn't start until 2021. Now I wish I started then and didn't wait

[Anonymous No.6673658]

>>6672880
kek

[Anonymous No.6673662]

:<

[Anonymous No.6673664]

>>6673651
Try 6 years buddy.

[Anonymous No.6673668]

>>6673653
By 'passable' i mean i'd be able to draw characters i like. Not whatever you think is passable. Did you get stuck on boxes and stick figures for 3 years too?
>>6673655
gee, thanks for making me feel better about it, now i know that you got out of it and i still havent.
>>6673664
yeah its gonna be.

[Anonymous No.6673673]

>>6673598
stop copying kunrennokm. those aren't your studies

[Anonymous No.6673675]

>>6673651
You just draw.

[Anonymous No.6673679]

>>6671957
>>6671959
>>6671960
love the characters and poses, very nice

[Anonymous No.6673689]

>>6671817
No problem, right?
I would upload this to Pixiv now

[Anonymous No.6673717]

>>6673689
"shading" is bothering me but it;s just my shtick. And anatomy is sketchy but cant comment on it, I think it hot enought

[Anonymous No.6673728]

How would you redline her right arm on the left panel? It's been overextended. From Akatsukae Blitzkampf.

[Anonymous No.6673732]

>>6673675
yeah good idea now how exactly do i do that

[Anonymous No.6673738]

>>6673689
I'll apologize in advance, I can't give good advice. But I'll try. I'll also be REALLY cruel, since that kind of feedback helped me tons.
Anyway, it has a pretty bad beginner look to it, it goes to the "bad probably western pixiv art"-bin.
The silver-hair girls head looks bad, the hair and the face. It has this strange lack of depth and shape to it.
And if you do apply the box method to the head, it should become immediately obvious why. It has no coherent 3d shape. The back of the skull points completely in the wrong direction vs the face. And the face itself feels like it's 2D clipart mashed together.
The red hair girl looks much better, since its a far easier angle. Though I think the "snout"/jaw is bit too forward.
Something's off about the shading too, but here I'm even more clueless to what. Might be the lineart too. Try to find some artist with simple two-tone shading akin to yours, and try to understand what they're doing better. Try to copy a style.

[Anonymous No.6673742]

>>6673689
Please don't use black shadows, it makes everything look muddy. I personally use redish shadows for skin to make it look more lively.

[Anonymous No.6673756]

>>6673542
>>6673410
Ok thanks, I'll give it another go

[Anonymous No.6673759]

>>6673689
This is getting into advanced anatomy, but the anus is actually in the back, not the front.

[Anonymous No.6673761]

TGIF, kind of want to re-read Short Cuts because it disturbed my imagination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8xAxaQOdg

[Anonymous No.6673769]

>>6673732
You just draw???

[Anonymous No.6673783]

>>6673769
No im serious, i dont fucking know how.

[Anonymous No.6673784]

>>6673783
not you again

[Anonymous No.6673788]

>>6673783
Okay, step one, bring out your drawing tools (tablet, pencil and paper, whatever)
Step 2, sit down
Step 3, either draw from imagination, or, pick a photo, another artists work, real life object, anything, and start moving your pen
Step 4, now just repeat this process until you've developed a habit of drawing, before you even start thinking about fundamentals and drawing good

[Anonymous No.6673790]

>>6673784
Anon theres no one person no one here knows how to draw.

[Anonymous No.6673792]

>>6673788
>draw anything
thats the fucking problem, what am i meant to be doing. Even if I pick something, how do i do it?

[Anonymous No.6673793]

>>6673783
What's the step you're struggling with? You said you're already drawing elementary shapes and stickmen. That means you must necessarily have understood the basic act of holding a pen and making marks on paper. You've passed the toddler-with-a-crayon stage.
Do you not know what you want to draw?
Do you actually want to draw, or are you just enamoured with the idea of being an artist?
Are you just hoping there's some kind of hack that'll let you get gud without the years of practice involved?

[Anonymous No.6673796]

>>6673793
I want to draw fat assed big titted animes.

[Anonymous No.6673799]

>>6673796
get a rope

[Anonymous No.6673800]

>>6673796
Reach for the stars, you might land on the moon.

[Anonymous No.6673801]

>>6673793
>Do you not know what you want to draw?
Not at this point. I mean I have characters I want to draw, but I dont want to draw them now, cause it'll be bad.
>Do you actually want to draw, or are you just enamoured with the idea of being an artist?
People question me on that so much ive started to question myself, but then i realise that a fleeting little thing of wanting to feel like an artist wouldnt warrant banging my head against this shit for 3 years now, so yeah i'd say i want to draw.
>Are you just hoping there's some kind of hack that'll let you get gud without the years of practice involved?
Yes yes, ive heard all about the years of practice and the no shortcuts and all the other things people spout at people who werent thinking that in the first place.
But how do I start the years of practice? No one seems to tell me that.

[Anonymous No.6673804]

>>6673801
start with smooth, thick sketchbook paper and lighter leads.

[Anonymous No.6673806]

>>6673792
Anon if you can draw stickmen that already is something. There's no "how do I do it" - just start by trying to reflect what you see onto the paper, whether that's trying to get the shape down or the shading or anything! What I think you're asking is "how do I do it good/not horribly", which is a question you should entirely ignore at this stage. Every single one of your drawings for the next few years at minimum will be horrible and cringeworthy, and you job is to just stop thinking about drawing, instead of just doing it.

[Anonymous No.6673807]

>>6673804
Oh fantastic. Now how to i use them?
(i am still going to be using a digital tablet)

[Anonymous No.6673810]

>>6673806
>just start by trying to reflect what you see onto the paper
What the fuck do I see? What am i meant to be looking at? Do i just draw a panoramic of the room im sitting in? HOW?
>which is a question you should entirely ignore at this stage.
i should entirely ignore the instincts i've have trained into my head for decades, what an ask.
>and you job is to just stop thinking about drawing, instead of just doing it.
How do you expect me to turn my brain off?

[Anonymous No.6673811]

>>6673801
> I have characters I want to draw
There you go, anon. It's fine if it's bad, because you can go back and redraw those characters again when you've gotten better. In fact if they're existing characters that's even better because you can reference to check what you've fucked up.

[Anonymous No.6673813]

>>6673811
>It's fine if it's bad
No.
>In fact if they're existing characters that's even better because you can reference to check what you've fucked up.
They are. But how do I use references?

[Anonymous No.6673814]

>anons with angelic levels of patience helping one of THOSE "people"
I feel bad every time this happens.

[Anonymous No.6673815]

>>6673813
Shut the fuck up you giant loser. You'll never learn how to draw.

[Anonymous No.6673816]

Stop wasting your time on this troll, not the first time he's done this.

[Anonymous No.6673817]

>>6673814
How do you expect me to get anywhere then?

[Anonymous No.6673819]

>>6673817
I expect you to kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6673821]

>>6673815
How did any of you people do it then? Am I the only person here who got stuck? How did any of you get past a block?
>>6673816
Motherfucker how many times do I have to say im not trolling, im dead serious here and its fucking killing me trying to get anywhere in this shit.

[Anonymous No.6673823]

>>6673819
Because I got stuck and cant proceed? Really?

[Anonymous No.6673824]

>>6673392
Yeah, I think this is probably true.

If your box isn't tied to anything, just floating in the void, it's easy enough to just fudge it and make something that looks right out of whatever lines you put down. But that's not intent, you can't look at a box and then draw it correctly, because all you've practiced doing is making mistakes and then figuring out how to paper over them - you never actually practiced drawing a box in a perspective that you chose *before* putting down any lines, and so you never strengthened the skill of knowing the line you want before you put it down.

>>6673801
>I mean I have characters I want to draw, but I dont want to draw them now, cause it'll be bad.
Just draw.

[Anonymous No.6673825]

>>6673821
I'm not giving you a word of advice you leech, and I hope nobody else does either. Those nice anons better save their energy and help people who are actually in need.

[Anonymous No.6673827]

>>6673823
Yes, really.

[Anonymous No.6673831]

>>6673810
>i should entirely ignore the instincts i've have trained into my head for decades, what an ask
Nobody said it was easy, unfortunately. But think about it as if you're training a new set of instincts (training yourself to associate something you see/imagine with hand movements), and keeping the other set of instincts (knowing what is good art, analysing and critiquing) for once you're done. Think about it, surely it'll be rude to critique a professionals art while they're still not done, right? Same goes here, first you draw, then you look at your art and analyse what you've improved on/needs improvement.
Basically I'm not asking for you to turn your brain off, I'm asking you to turn that specific part of your brain off first, and turn yourself towards the skill of copying something or aspects of something (eg, what shape does light cast on an apple? What is the outline of an apple? Or maybe, this artist draws _ in a specific way, let me try to imitate that.)

[Anonymous No.6673832]

>>6673824
>Just draw.
HOW?
>>6673825
Do you do this to everyone who comes here begging for an ounce of advice? Call them a leech and stonewall them? Why?

[Anonymous No.6673833]

>>6673801
>a fleeting little thing of wanting to feel like an artist wouldnt warrant banging my head against this shit for 3 years now
It doesn't have to be fleeting. Many people pursue careers they don't really care about, for the prestige and money. I'd go so far as to say that there's nothing actually wrong with wanting to be an artist, even if you don't really enjoy drawing. Hell of a lot better as a dream than "I want to conform to society's expectations of what I should find desirable".
>I dont want to draw them now, cause it'll be bad.
Yeah, that's going to be a major issue in pretty much anything you might want to do in life. Practice always means doing something that you're bad at. You must fail. If you don't fail, then there's no point in practicing.
>But how do I start the years of practice? No one seems to tell me that.
Nobody is telling you that because the question is incomprehensible. You just draw. Like you just make some lines in the shape of whatever it is you want to draw. Or sometimes make lines, and try to think of a shape afterwards, because crippling brain fog stops you from approaching the empty canvas in a more purposeful way.
You said you can draw basic geometric shapes. The next step in the perspective guides is to draw a box. Can you do that?

[Anonymous No.6673834]

>>6673832
>HOW?
You hold a pencil, pen, stylus, or other drawing device in your dominant hand, and make marks upon paper or digital tablet that represent your current best understanding and ability to create that which you see around you, in a digital picture, or in your head.

[Anonymous No.6673835]

>>6673832
This is my last reply to you. Kill yourself you pathetic worm.

[Anonymous No.6673836]

~

[Anonymous No.6673837]

>>6673761
anon, i really love how "form conscious" you are. All your hatching wraps around the primary forms, and I can see you've given a lot to the fundamentals. In this respect, please keep going and don't stop. You're doing great.

As practice moving forward, I think you should also start making a regular habit of master copies. Find artist you like and copy their work. It will teach you to "good shape" to your drawings, and you will have a better idea on how to approach complicated objects, like faces, vegetation, and clothing folds. There are just some things that are difficult to study from life, and I can't explain why. It just is.

My drawover is not really a correction, but just a demonstration of how I might approach it. You need to find your own favorite artists, and the combination of your favorite artists becomes *you*.

Good luck

[Anonymous No.6673839]

>>6673831
I dont really get it, but it sounds like something that only makes sense in practice. Now, what the fuck do I practice.
>first you draw
I cannot work with that.
>>6673833
>Many people pursue careers they don't really care about, for the prestige and money.
Personally I dont care about shit like that, I just wanna make art of characters I like.
>Yeah, that's going to be a major issue in pretty much anything you might want to do in life.
It's a funny thing, I grew out of that mindset ages ago for everything except creative shit, hell im a 3d artist right now and am also frozen there for the same reasons im stuck now, I dont know what to do.
>You just draw.
gee thanks
>Like you just make some lines in the shape of whatever it is you want to draw.
I dont know what shape that is or how to make those lines man.
>Or sometimes make lines, and try to think of a shape afterwards
Result will be a page of scribbles. I've done it before, will do it again.
>The next step in the perspective guides is to draw a box.
Yeah ive done DaB im up to organic forms in perspective, ive done the 250 boxes, just not very well.

[Anonymous No.6673840]

>>6673834
Anon, last time someone said similar I filled pages with scribbles out of spite because i dont know what else to do and you people make it sound so easy. Please.
>>6673835
Oh I get it, you're the one trolling. Damn I should've caught on sooner.

[Anonymous No.6673841]

>>6673821
>How did any of you people do it then?
hehe
>the art fairy didn't come for him yet
prolly not enough teeth under the pillow yet, better grab a hammer and knock em all out.

[Anonymous No.6673842]

>>6673832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6NsEDwHHiE

also my personal advice:
1. if its too complicated then simplify
2. if you dont know how then learn
3. practice

[Anonymous No.6673843]

>>6673840
i knew that i knew you, you are the massive faggot, that spams this board and has gotten many anons advice but you are still too retarded to go outside and draw the people infront of you. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6673844]

>>6673842
>2. if you dont know how then learn
>3. practice

[Anonymous No.6673847]

>>6673844
>snarky comment after anon tries to genuinely help you
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6673848]

>>6673844
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.6673849]

>>6673837
That's lovely, she looks close to Lin from Spirited Away. Thanks. I have some books from Hogarth, Jack Hamm and Guptill's book on Rockwell to go through next, hoping they too have an effect.

[Anonymous No.6673850]

>>6673844
Hopeless.

[Anonymous No.6673852]

>>6673843
You wanna know why? I can't use jack shit of it. Sure, copy this, copy that, i do those things, now what? Draw this, do DaB, dont do DaB, do the excersises in these books, I do all that shit, now what? You see the loop? I guess i'm slowly getting mileage but holy shit man, it doesnt help me actually get anywhere.
>still too retarded to go outside and draw the people infront of you
How would I draw them?

[Anonymous No.6673853]

>>6673847
>>6673848
>>6673850
Oh come the fuck on. You call that helpful? 'Just do it', you think thats good? I'll watch the video in a bit but i swear to god if its another "just draw" im going to shit.

[Anonymous No.6673854]

>>6673852
>I do all that shit, now what?
You keep doing it for 6-24 months

[Anonymous No.6673855]

>>6673854
Copy the same shit over and over? Do the same exercises over and over? Do the same DaB lessons over and over? Yeah? Is that it?

[Anonymous No.6673856]

>>6673855
Nobody wants to help someone unwilling to help themselves. Your only problem is your attitude.

[Anonymous No.6673857]

>>6673852
i am not going to interact with you as i have tried that before, but your thick skull requires me to write 10 messages explain one simple thing and your snarky comments show me that you dont care about any good faith anons bring to you. Kill yourself.

Also:
>do the excersises in these books, I do all that shit
>draw the people infront of you How would I draw them?

[Anonymous No.6673858]

>>6673856
HOW do i help myself?

[Anonymous No.6673860]

stop replying to the fucking troll you retarded fucks

[Anonymous No.6673862]

>>6673857
>you dont care about any good faith anons bring to you.
Im sure that guy thinks hes helping, but oh my god, i've heard enough "just draw" it may as well be a torture method at this point. IT. DOESNT. HELP. What I really dont care about is bullshit that is totally unhelpful.
>Also:
Yeah? What about them? What are you saying here?

[Anonymous No.6673863]

[Anonymous No.6673864]

>>6673839
for the love of fuck anon, I am at my wit's end, so go do the following thing and pyw once you're done or I'm not helping you anymore because then clearly none of us have the ability to help you. You said you can draw elementary shapes, right?
Go draw a square, then draw a triangle on top, then draw a rectangle next to the square, and then a parallelogram on top. Now you have the basic shape of a cottage or house! Add whatever features you like, or go google and copy a a window or door or anything.
Alternatively, if you're into anime, draw a circle. Then draw a triangle on top of the circle, just slightly lower than the midpoint of the circle. erase overlapping lines, add two straight lines to connect, draw a short vertical down the center, and slightly below that, a short horizontal line. finally, slightly above the midpoint of the circle, draw two ovals on both sides of nose, and add a line on top of each. done, now you have a bald face.
If you can't do either of these, you're literally hopeless and below kindergarten level, and none of us will be able to help. I recommend seeking professional help in that case.

[Anonymous No.6673865]

>>6673860
Dude. Alright, what do I have to do? How the fuck can I prove im dead serious here. Is this what happens every time someone is desperately trying to get past a block on this board? You people dismiss them as a troll? Is it any wonder why no one here learns?

[Anonymous No.6673867]

>>6673862
you do exercises in books how to draw humans and ask me how to draw humans.

[Anonymous No.6673868]

>>6673864
>>6673867
he does this every few weeks

[Anonymous No.6673870]

>>6673862
open pinterest
click on the first image that interests you
copy it

[Anonymous No.6673873]

>>6673864
>I am at my wit's end
welcome to the club, but im the one struggling here. You lost me with the bald face instructions but i'll do the house

[Anonymous No.6673875]

>>6673873
you havent even done one exercise on how to draw humans, right?

[Anonymous No.6673877]

>>6673867
The millisecond I leave the book, its gone. I dont remember how to copy shit man.
>>6673868
See >>6673852
>>6673870
Yeah ive got almost a hundred different drawing reference photos in my pinterest. I do not know how to use them.

[Anonymous No.6673878]

>>6673875
I remember doing a hand thing in keys to drawing but thats all i remember, so a small part of a human

[Anonymous No.6673881]

>>6673877
>>6673878
seek professional help retard. Literally.

[Anonymous No.6673882]

>>6673881
For what? Again, have none of you been in a block?

[Anonymous No.6673884]

>>6673863

[Anonymous No.6673889]

>>6673877
>I do not know how to use them.

[Anonymous No.6673890]

>>6673884
I love this.

[Anonymous No.6673894]

>>6673877

[Anonymous No.6673898]

>>6673889
Useful.
>>6673894
Has this comic ever helped anyone? What is even the message here?

[Anonymous No.6673900]

>>6673884
>Love it

[Anonymous No.6673901]

>>6673884
Sick, you should make a pose of Kain next

[Anonymous No.6673902]

>>6673884
Cool, though the arm further back looks like it's in an unnatural and uncomfortable pose. What're you doing for there?

[Anonymous No.6673903]

>>6673902
*going

[Anonymous No.6673906]

>>6672769
>still seething hours later
top kek

[Anonymous No.6673910]

>>6673839
>It's a funny thing, I grew out of that mindset ages ago for everything except creative shit
Sometimes it's like that. I have no idea how to fix this.
>I dont know what shape that is
It can be any shape. If you knew how to draw, what would you be drawing?
>or how to make those lines man.
You say you've done DAB exercises, so you clearly know what a line is, and even have some experience in drawing them. What exactly is the issue here?

[Anonymous No.6673912]

>>6673882
Yeah, I have been, you know what I did? I just drew. That's it, don't ask how, why, or any stupid questions, just draw what is in front of you, put a line, then another, then another, and keep doing it. That's how you get past the blank page

[Anonymous No.6673913]

>>6673910
Stop

[Anonymous No.6673918]

>>6673910
>It can be any shape. If you knew how to draw, what would you be drawing?
Like i've said, I have goals, there are characters I want to draw, just not at this current skill level.
>so you clearly know what a line is, and even have some experience in drawing them
Debatable. I basically crawled along with those exercises, my lines are not at all accurate, therefore any shapes I try also wont be. And dont even try me on line weight, apparently I have a gorilla arm that is totally out of control when it comes to that.
>What exactly is the issue here?
Again, I dont know what to do, or how to do them.

[Anonymous No.6673919]

>>6673759
Right
I was in a hurry with that part. I'll fix it tommorow

>>6673836
ty

[Anonymous No.6673920]

sad kitty

[Anonymous No.6673923]

>>6673912
>I just drew
H-
>don't ask how
Whhhhhhh then what the fuck am i gonna learn? What do i draw?
>put a line, then another, then another,
That is how I get scribbles. I cant just make lines without direction.

[Anonymous No.6673926]

Please stop trying to help this useless crybaby. He's been making these posts for months, ignores every piece of advice he's given, and goes back to whining about how he doesn't know what to do (despite being told exactly what to do).

The problem lies in his own schizo head, and there's nothing anyone on the outside can do to fix it.

[Anonymous No.6673928]

>>6673913
No.

>>6673918
>there are characters I want to draw, just not at this current skill level.
Sure. Can't start figuring out how to draw until you can already draw well enough. So it goes.
Anything else? Some lesser thing, that you might imagine yourself drawing, but isn't so important that you'd feel like you'd defile it by drawing it badly?
>I basically crawled along with those exercises, my lines are not at all accurate,
Did you do the early exercises that specifically train line accuracy? You can just do those again if that's what you're struggling with. Or, if you solve your core brain problems and get into the habit of drawing regularly, you can practice line accuracy at the same time.
It doesn't really matter if your lines are shit, what I was getting at that you have already intentionally drawn lines, to make pictures of boxes, so there really shouldn't be any obstacle to drawing lines to make pictures of other things.

[Anonymous No.6673931]

>>6673923
Have you read what I wrote? This is kind of insulting man, are you ignoring parts of my post on purpose?
>what the fuck am i gonna learn?
How to get past the blank page. The answer? Draw what is in front of you.
>What do i draw?
What is in front of you.
>I cant just make lines without direction.I cant just make lines without direction.
Great, now go draw what is in front of you, if you find a glaring mistake, go draw that, that is your direction.

[Anonymous No.6673934]

>>6673545
bump

[Anonymous No.6673938]

>>6673931
had the same talk with him, h cant find the mistakes

[Anonymous No.6673941]

>>6673545
This is kind of a personal opinion, but you have to make the clothes simpler, all this detail is killing the feel of clothing and turning it into some body distortion. Also, those hands are meh, looks like unconfortable to pose them like that, try to do it yourself.

[Anonymous No.6673942]

>>6673934
what >>6673572 said
also this is subjective but right now I'm not getting dnd warlock from this design. The clothes, esp the sweatpants, look fairly modern, and I'm not seeing any magic related elements. You don't have to do the typical stuff, but since you're adding a magical creature, could he be a beast tamer or something? I would suggest hinting to whatever his subclass and background is in your design if possible.

[Anonymous No.6673943]

>>6673926
See>>6673852
>>6673928
>Anything else? Some lesser thing.
Not really, and I think that might be my problem right now.
>Did you do the early exercises that specifically train line accuracy?
Yeah, and I still do those things it taught like ghosting overlapping and other (i may have forgot a bit). I suppose it couldnt hurt to go back, but there is the no grinding rule.
>so there really shouldn't be any obstacle to drawing lines to make pictures of other things.
How is the fact ive drawn boxes going to help me with anything that isnt a box?
>>6673931
>are you ignoring parts of my post on purpose?
Well, i'm not responding to parts that i've already gone over time and time again, yeah. Like "draw whats in front of you". Do you have any idea how many things are near me right now? DRAW WHAT?

[Anonymous No.6673946]

>>6673943
> Do you have any idea how many things are near me right now? DRAW WHAT?
the cum jar

[Anonymous No.6673955]

>>6673890
>>6673900
>>6673901
>>6673902
>>6673902
>>6673884
Daily drawing

[Anonymous No.6673956]

>>6673943
>Do you have any idea how many things are near me right now? DRAW WHAT?
Go draw them all, pick one and draw that, it doesn't matter, didn't you say that you were on a block? The only way to get out of it is to stop asking yourself questions and draw, because the questions are the source of the block.
>i'm not responding to parts that i've already gone over time and time again
Well, that's just rude, I wasn't here when you gone over that.
Now, I am NTA, but
>How is the fact ive drawn boxes going to help me with anything that isnt a box?
That is not the purpose of that exercise, nor the purpose of the course. You were learning to be able to turn everything into boxes, not to draw the prettiest box. Go and do >>6673353

If >>6673938 is right, then pyw here, it's literally the point of this place to get critiqued, some anons will probably give you direction.

[Anonymous No.6673975]

>>6672217
>>6673326
??

[Anonymous No.6673976]

>>6673943
>How is the fact ive drawn boxes going to help me with anything that isnt a box?
>How is the fact ive shot at paper targets going to help me shoot anything that isn't a paper target?
>How is the fact ive welded car frames going to help me weld anything that isn't a car frame?
>How is the fact ive pet a cat going to help me pet dogs?
Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged.

[Anonymous No.6673979]

>>6673956
>pick one and draw that
Still gonna be incredibly hard for me to just pick one, but sure.
>Well, that's just rude, I wasn't here when you gone over that.
Pretty sure i said it in this very thread. They kinda blur together at this point.
>You were learning to be able to turn everything into boxes, not to draw the prettiest box.
I was told to draw boxes. I drew boxes.
>Go and do *thing*
...how? How do I transform those into boxes?
>then pyw here
I got rid of it because looking at it and not seeing what im supposed to be correcting was pissing me off. Even so, all the critique I did get was shit I didnt understand, and advice on how to see mistakes was shit I dont know how to apply.

[Anonymous No.6673980]

>>6673943
>How is the fact ive drawn boxes going to help me with anything that isnt a box?
Any three-dimensional object is reducible to boxes, cylinders and oblate spheroids.

[Anonymous No.6673984]

>>6673976
How are those similar in any way? The latter 3 are identical actions, just because I know how to put pen to paper (or tablet) doesnt mean I suddenly know how to fucking draw full body characters. I was taught boxes. That is what I know.

[Anonymous No.6673986]

>>6673980
So i've heard. How am I supposed to know what goes where?

[Anonymous No.6673991]

NEW THREAD
>>6673988
>>6673988
>>6673988

[Anonymous No.6673999]

tried another one and it even more disappointing

[Anonymous No.6674003]

>>6673979
>Still gonna be incredibly hard for me to just pick one, but sure.
Doesn't matter which, just pick a random one.
>...how? How do I transform those into boxes?
I was under the impression that you did all of DAB, so he must have taught you how to do form studies, or construction studies. Lesson 2 or 3 I believe, it's the same principle, you take a head, see it's form, and turn it into a simple form aka a box.
>I got rid of it
I was talking about whatever you drew that is in front of you, you did draw that, right?

[Anonymous No.6674015]

>>6674003
>I was under the impression that you did all of DAB
Ive said before, im on to organic forms in perspective, which is the beginning of lesson 2, right after the 250 boxes.
>I was talking about whatever you drew that is in front of you, you did draw that, right?
Buddy, im still trying to isolate 1 thing. Even so, it'd take an entire thread before I copy the whole thing. I dont know how you people copy shit in minutes, it takes me hours.

[Anonymous No.6674025]

>>6672332
Is that pluto?

[Anonymous No.6674213]

>>6673853
i get it comes off as obnoxious when people say "just draw" but thats really what it boils down to

how can u improve making lines on a paper if u never make lines on a paper? draw what u want to draw, analyze ur weakpoints, and find tutorials and guides on how to improve in that area. not only are u now drawing like u want ur making a timeline of improvement for u to look back on.

if u go to the gym and ask someone what to do they're gonna tell you "just work out"

[Anonymous No.6674273]

made this for my dad birthday, redflag, roast, opinion, etc.

[Anonymous No.6674281]

>>6674273
first time doing nature. tips on it? i think it doesn't look well enough and its f hard

[Anonymous No.6674308]

>>6674273
I actually like it. I'd only add bit more shadows maybe.
But what's up with the gravity? It points to one direction nearby and other on the distance.

[Anonymous No.6674319]

>>6674308
nice, i'll try to fix that

[Anonymous No.6674348]

>>6674273
Based and fatherpilled.

[Anonymous No.6674389]

>>6673999
Thanks, mate

[Anonymous No.6674469]

Tips on how I can improve my gesture drawing skills? Haven't gotten to anatomy yet since I'm not experienced enough since I've been relearning the fundamentals and now I'm trying out gesture drawing for A year or for as long as it takes me too get good at it.

[Anonymous No.6674470]

Other 2

[Anonymous No.6674471]

[Anonymous No.6674475]

Srry for the 4th post jus realized I made A mistake, here's the photos in its intended size

[Anonymous No.6674476]

[Anonymous No.6674478]

[Anonymous No.6674665]

>>6673319
>Black pencil more
Oh, that's legit good advice, but I'm not going to take it. I've been using pilot neox leads and they are kinda dark. My pencil shit looks way better than these ballpoint abominations. Hell just look at the post above it >>6672767.
Except I'm not sure exactly what you mean by
>black pencil
You mean like a 4b, a black colored pencil, or charcoal?
Anyway, I'll probably get over this ballpoint thing soon. Or get better at it. Win-win.
Speaking of advice, I was in someone else's truck today for stupid reasons and decided that since y'all keep telling me to draw more figures I copied the topless calendar girls on his dash on post it notes.
That look like shit, but keep in mind I'm working in a cab at a 90°angle on a clip board on pink paper in shit light and I'm trying to get Jan thru May done in a short period of time. As it is I got only three, so plz no bully.
They really look like shit, even for /beg/.

[Anonymous No.6674668]

>>6673662
This is kinda nice. I'm digging it.

[Anonymous No.6674672]

>>6674348

respect and love your fathers mfkrs

[Anonymous No.6674674]

>>6673906
>newfaggot can't into ip count
Lmao

[Anonymous No.6674959]

>>6674213
>how can u improve making lines on a paper if u never make lines on a paper?
What lines am I meant to be making?
>draw what u want to draw
I dont fucking know what I want.
>analyze ur weakpoints
HOW?

[Anonymous No.6675011]

>>6674959

[Anonymous No.6675222]

>>6673540
the pit game on this lass

[Anonymous No.6675737]

>>6672505
the crown is perfectly sized, but the boobs need to be bigger

[Anonymous No.6675894]

Why does actual good art itt always gets ignored or overly criticized by retards who don't even know what they're talking about?

[Anonymous No.6676633]