/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate general

[Anonymous No.6661184]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the stickies

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous Thread : >>6658642

[Anonymous No.6661190]

>>6661184
Am I doing fine?
I feel like I fucked up the proportions but I am not sure

Is the boob press ok?

[Anonymous No.6661199]

>>6660625
These go fast (~12m per row) but they really wear me out, so I can't just sit and power through them.

[Anonymous No.6661200]

>>6660634
>this could outright go into some comic or video games. pro tier


Wow! thanks

[Anonymous No.6661208]

>>6661190
lmao you're so cocky and arrogant whenever people criticised your progress
and guess what
they're right

[Anonymous No.6661210]

Neuroplasphantasia kicking my ass

[Anonymous No.6661231]

>>6661210
The man looks straight into the audience is kinda awkward. What is he doing?

[Anonymous No.6661233]

>>6661210
Yes, it's over for you. You should stop drawing and apply for a nursing home.

[Anonymous No.6661244]

>>6661199
So do a limited number of them and go learn, practice or create another thing.

[Anonymous No.6661255]

>>6661184

[Anonymous No.6661256]

>>6661172
good job

[Anonymous No.6661266]

>>6661138
>anon what do you think the purpose of studying perspective is
Wait, perspective covers the very basic of that? So it should be the very first thing for me to learn in terms of fundamental then.

[Anonymous No.6661279]

>>6661256
Thanks

>>6659079
The roots are really hard to draw.

[Anonymous No.6661305]

>>6661210
>Neuroplasphantasia
What?

I think you did a pretty good job on the ogre guy. Though I feel the composition is kind of flat. The wall is jus a sheet. You work in digital so try rearranging the figures a bit to make it more exciting. Heres a really shitty example. If the tegaki think works.

[Anonymous No.6661356]

>>6659079

[Anonymous No.6661410]

>>6661184
>draw some shoddy lineart
>"looks good, time to color"

[Anonymous No.6661416]

>>6661410
>i must polish the same turd for 3 weeks before i can start something new

[Anonymous No.6661418]

>>6661416
who are you quothing because it surely is not me

[Anonymous No.6661419]

>>6661418
coomer if he regular show

[Anonymous No.6661421]

>>6661410
You did not draw that coomer in picrel. Why would you post it?

[Anonymous No.6661422]

>>6661421
i couldnt find the original in a good resolution on jewgle

[Anonymous No.6661427]

>>6661422
A anon posted it on the /ic/ coomer thread 2 years ago. I was there. Pretty fun thread. Try to find it on fireden.

[Anonymous No.6661439]

[Anonymous No.6661451]

>>6661439

[Anonymous No.6661452]

Did the bug from the last thread, i tried to make harder shadows and to work on the line quality

[Anonymous No.6661453]

>>6661356
I really like your lines I'm jealous!

[Anonymous No.6661454]

>>6661451

[Anonymous No.6661456]

>>6661454

[Anonymous No.6661459]

>>6661453
thanks

[Anonymous No.6661464]

>>6661459
Opps
>>6661453
I listen to FZD while drawing rocks and trees daily. It does help with the lines. Also, the brush is chalk brush from PS legacy brush set.

[Anonymous No.6661465]

>>6661410
>he draws his own lineart
I just steal other people's sketches on twitter, drawing lines is cringe

[Anonymous No.6661469]

>>6661465
>steal other peoples sketches and lineart
>print it and finger paint over it

[Anonymous No.6661470]

>>6661464
Those are really nice, any tips or specific vids from FZD for line quality?

[Anonymous No.6661475]

>>6661470
Watch this anon. Watching an artist draw is the best way to learn.
>https://youtu.be/22XYoenU-0c

[Anonymous No.6661476]

Can you draw the magical forest gnome?

[Anonymous No.6661480]

kek I drew that first rock too a few weeks ago

[Anonymous No.6661497]

drawing my friend's character

[Anonymous No.6661510]

>>6661476
Too hard and the image is kinda blurry. I really can't see the details.

[Anonymous No.6661511]

>>6661184
All I want is to just draw cute girls. Doesn't even need to look good, it just needs to look vaguely like a girl.
What do I need to practice in order to draw stuff like this?

[Anonymous No.6661524]

>>6661511
I will never understand why there's so many people like this.

[Anonymous No.6661527]

>>6661511
>What do I need to practice in order to draw stuff like this?
brain damage

[Anonymous No.6661528]

>>6661511
>What do I need to practice in order to draw stuff like this?
You're never gonna believe this...

[Anonymous No.6661533]

>>6661524
sex deprevation. I fuck my onahole daily and only draw sweaty hairy fat old bald men

[Anonymous No.6661534]

>>6661511
>What do I need to practice in order to draw stuff like this?
Your brain is fried bro.

[Anonymous No.6661535]

>>6661511
>draw girl
>don't need to look good
>vaguely female
>pussy
Uhhh. I AM GONNA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

[Anonymous No.6661536]

>>6661511
You need to copy cute girls, also ask your doctor for testosterone replacement therapy.

[Anonymous No.6661563]

Trying some more dynamic poses

[Anonymous No.6661566]

>>6661563
used to do this at the gym

[Anonymous No.6661592]

I need to just start with the feet or they're just gonna keep getting left out

[Anonymous No.6661635]

Please, someone speak sense to stabilizer settings.

Will they hold me back forever or are they necessary to draw decent lines?

[Anonymous No.6661636]

>>6661563
Legs look good, but tiny baby hands and head/torso don't match them

>>6661452
Naisu

[Anonymous No.6661651]

>>6661635
sketching is easier without it but i dont do lineart so it's probably better for that

[Anonymous No.6661652]

Is there anyone who talks about the CSI concept in depth?

[Anonymous No.6661654]

>>6661208
What?

[Anonymous No.6661660]

>>6661279
looks good like from a dark creepy forest

[Anonymous No.6661664]

>>6661475
I've already watched this particular video, but he doesn't draw in it. I watched ep 89 I think in which he draws the boar skull but maybe the details were lost on me cause I watched it on my phone. I keep these two on tab anyway and I'll come back to them for sure

[Anonymous No.6661724]

>>6661635
just add a little bit and stop overthinking everything

[Anonymous No.6661726]

.

[Anonymous No.6661727]

>>6661726
my average jelqing session

[Anonymous No.6661733]

>>6661727
kek

[Anonymous No.6661740]

>>6661727
Any results yet?

[Anonymous No.6661741]

>>6659517
anyone know what book this is from?

[Anonymous No.6661743]

>>6661741
morpho simplified forms

[Anonymous No.6661754]

>>6661743
thanks!

[Anonymous No.6661764]

I didn't get much feedback on this >>6658782

Any tips on how I can improve?

[Anonymous No.6661771]

>>6661764
I mean it looks good, maybe try inking or use a different medium. The major issue I can see is the smudging

[Anonymous No.6661830]

I was doing some value studies and did a little skull. Even though i didn't finish it (i got tired) i'm kinda satisfied with the result. What do you think of my values? and, in a different note, is there any benefits in tracing art that you like? :]

[Anonymous No.6661829]

>>6661764
watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dqGkHWC5IU&ab_channel=Proko
Get familiar with the idea of form and its planes to shading patches of value and understanding the structure of objects/anatomy. Merely thinking in terms lines and smudging will limit the amount of accuracy that you can produce in your drawings. Generally you want to simplify these complex subjects to an understandable amount of planes (that's covered in the video, also he has other videos on parts of the body like the face and hands, they follow the same idea).
You don't need to know every muscle of the body right now, but try to lean towards this mindset, it will help not just in creating convincing anatomy, but drawing in general.

[Anonymous No.6661840]

what are you fellas studying? I did this schedule for myself a while ago, best decision ever. I am currently half-way through morpho's hands and feet book. I also wanna start studying other artists more, as well as doing color/bg studies. Too much stuff too study, too little time

[Anonymous No.6661851]

I had to stop taking my antidepressant (wellbutrin) and now I don't draw at all anymore everytime I take the pen into my hands I just get this feeling of meaninglessness and continue just doing nothing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I have to wait 1 more week until I'm allowed to take my new one, I hate this why can't I be normal my fucking GOD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.6661860]

Remember sisters.. !

[Anonymous No.6661861]

>>6661860
It's so easy!

[Anonymous No.6661862]

>>6661861
:o

[Anonymous No.6661867]

>>6661727
kek

[Anonymous No.6661876]

>>6661497

[Anonymous No.6661880]

>>6661497
made for bbc (big beg cock)

[Anonymous No.6661891]

during community art classes I draw a cheerful fella and a nervous lady, but I fucked the eyes and head, I did everything my teacher plus things I learned on the internet, how can I improve and correct my mistakes?

[Anonymous No.6661894]

>>6661497

[Anonymous No.6661895]

Just something i did today, i put an IG filter on it just for making the marker marks more dreamy

[Anonymous No.6661897]

>>6661894
kek

[Anonymous No.6661901]

>>6661199
This was a sudden increase in difficulty.

[Anonymous No.6661903]

>>6661895
It'd be cool if you could recreate the effect on your own without the ig filter. It'd benefit you to use a scanner as well, just for better fidelity of your drawings.

[Anonymous No.6661911]

>>6661901
pay attention to negative shapes

[Anonymous No.6661915]

Is there a source for a free 3d mannequin?

[Anonymous No.6661922]

>>6661915
csp, those 3d ani porn makers

[Anonymous No.6662036]

>>6661901
Cause: I tend to zoom in to, like, 400% while drawing
Effect: the copies trend progressively smaller until I step back and notice what I've done

>>6661911
Yeah, truth.

[Anonymous No.6662061]

>>6661840

[Anonymous No.6662062]

If I want to express myself how do I know which medium is the best for me? Music, writing, or drawing? I feel like I love all of them so I'm kind of indecisive right now in deciding which way to specialize in, I think out of all three drawing is probably the hardest right?

[Anonymous No.6662066]

>5 min gesture
>too short to draw accurately
>too long to just draw glorified stick figures

What the FUCK am I supposed to do here?

[Anonymous No.6662070]

>>6662066
You do not get it at all. Just start copy stuff for now.

[Anonymous No.6662071]

>>6662066
I don't think any of these even have gesture, listen to the other anon or try to learn FORCE

[Anonymous No.6662072]

>>6662066
for pre-begs gesture is a trap

[Anonymous No.6662074]

>>6662066
Dumb people disgust me. I bet you did not read or watch any tutorial and just yolo it. You get what you deserve.

[Anonymous No.6662075]

>>6662074
Every fucking video or tutorial I watch about gesture tells me something fucking different. Marc brunet draws mannequins and calls it gestures, line-of-action.com tells me to draw torso and joints, other people just draw long CSI lines, like what the fuck am I supposed to do?

[Anonymous No.6662079]

More studies

[Anonymous No.6662082]

>>6662075
Just copy image that you like for a year or so. In other words, have fun drawing easy subjects then move to harder subjects. Does it hurt you to draw a fucking cat instead of naked girls?

[Anonymous No.6662100]

>>6661452
>felt the form
8/10 GG

[Anonymous No.6662108]

>>6662061
>Katsuya Terada
Fucking based, he did the best Zelda artwork.

[Anonymous No.6662110]

>>6662082
But I don't have fun drawing rocks trees and insects, feng. I did this copy
>>6661536
and pic related

I just got told that I should do gestures by every beg guide. I think what I want out of "gesture" is drawing the human figure quickly and believable, I don't care about action or force at this time

[Anonymous No.6662118]

Just dl'd csp today, have no idea what the fuck im doing. I think I'm drawing too fast. I noticed all the best guys have these styles that are really expressive and curvy, and looked like they were doodled really fast, but im guessing they dont draw those in under 5 mins like i did this piece

[Anonymous No.6662127]

>>6662110
Gesture is about drawing the natural curves of the body, action and weight of the character. Maybe you should learn other subject first before learning gesture. Copying more action poses and you'll start to see the movement and weight of the characters. Drawing is a jorney, don't rush it.

[Anonymous No.6662131]

>>6662075
>>6662082
Everyday, an anon doesn't understand gesture, and everyday, some other anon tells him to copy.
First, let's define gesture, for that, I will borrow Da Vinci: "Build a figure in such a way that its pose tells what is in the soul of it. A gesture is a movement not of a body but of a soul." Basically, draw what the pose tells, not what you see. Now, this might sound like mumble jamble, but it's the mindset that you have to be on to draw proper gestures
So, for some actionable-ish advice: you should see how your favorite artists do gesture and emulate them, if you don't have it, take an animation you like and look at the production sketches. Then, you go back to your figure drawing session and try to apply it, you will be frustated, but you have try again.

[Anonymous No.6662156]

kind of already posted this one on another thread, but this time a put some sketches i did on te side before doing the center piece, which was also a stupid sketch that i just got excited and started drawing more on it lol.
That's also becoming a problem i think, i can hardly think of something and actually drawing it, its aways a random sketch that i see potential and start focusing on it. Maybe its because im focusing too much on just studying but i don't really know.

[Anonymous No.6662185]

>>6662156
I mean, it's pretty good, a little stilted and that's not how triceps work, but your craft is almost there, so I don't really understand what your problem is. You are having trouble coming up with ideas, but you do random sketches just fine? How is that a problem? You can sketch to generate ideas.

[Anonymous No.6662203]

>>6662185
I mean that i wanted to have an idea end up putting it into paper in an organized way, and not relying on the chaos of my stressed mind in random periods of the month. I think that's what i'm feeling is off, but maybe it's just me.
Also this may sound as an excuse, but i actually wanted the dude to be stilt because the pose would be more strange and funny that way.

[Anonymous No.6662224]

Hello beg, i am so done with my existence. I cant believe i pushed through today and drew

>>6662156
int
>>6662066
pick up a book or course and follow it. gesture practice is great but it isnt the main fundie of them all
>>6662062
music is the most complex of all the crafts, drawing takes the longest to complete but honestly it is a bit braindead at times, writing is... everybody can write but only very few have something worthwhile to say
>>6661915
do you even google? posemy.art magicposer.com justsketch.me
>>6661891
>>6661764
nothing to crab here, keep doing whatever you are doing. its working so far
>>6661840
perspective and i want to die
>>6661830
of your values i think: where is the black value? where did it go?
>>6661635
if you will learn how to draw with X stabilizer in Y app you will be forever chained to that 1 app with that 1 stabilizer setting. If you learn how to draw without any interference from stabilizers you will be able to draw in any app, with or without stabilizer. TLDR: hard practice, easy race.
>>6661592
cute thot
>>6661511
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49785005
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49659691
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27391586
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57137066
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/72406358
>>6661452
soulful Bugi
>>6661439
i like the dragons expression. it is like: gimme cookies human!
>>6661255
not enough frames, ass is too flat

[Anonymous No.6662233]

>>6661476
20 mins

[Anonymous No.6662244]

>>6662233
I kneel

[Anonymous No.6662265]

Guys how can I induce lucid schizophrenia? Like imagine if you could just think about a hot woman sitting in front of you in every pose to draw everytime you want to.

[Anonymous No.6662401]

>>6662265
Get a tulpa ez

[Anonymous No.6662427]

VYKMMG :<

[Anonymous No.6662451]

[Anonymous No.6662453]

[Anonymous No.6662458]

>>6662451
DAMMIT the hand is all messed up. And the hat.

[Anonymous No.6662464]

Is the background obnoxious?
If so, what other options should I consider?

>>6662265
ask /x/

[Anonymous No.6662474]

[Anonymous No.6662491]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_nmVSd1Vks

[Anonymous No.6662524]

[Anonymous No.6662543]

[Anonymous No.6662549]

>>6662464
why the checkerboard bg?

[Anonymous No.6662559]

[Anonymous No.6662577]

>>6662549
It's a crossover with an anime called Black Rock Shooter. Checkerboards are a motif

[Anonymous No.6662581]

>>6662577
what are her best looks? wouldn't she look better in more moderate dress?

[Anonymous No.6662634]

>>6662224
Hey pawel, I always wanted to ask, what's up with those random facts you put into your dailies, like the truth meter and such?

[Anonymous No.6662684]

Can someone post that female reference pose link? It was in the old /beg & int/ description/sticky.

Also of you actually have the old version of this board description, post the whole thing please.

Still have no clue why it has changed in the first place.

[Anonymous No.6662700]

>>6661190
Nothing wrong, right?

Please redline me if you guys found any problem

[Anonymous No.6662710]

>>6661255
Nice man!

[Anonymous No.6662713]

>>6661476
>Not posting the song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwLSrNu1ppI

[Anonymous No.6662717]

>>6662700
I think the pussy is too high up.

[Anonymous No.6662720]

>>6662717
This was my ref for it.
Looks like my ref is wrong again, damn it

[Anonymous No.6662721]

>>6662700
Their are plenty of things wrong. But I don't have access to my drawing tablet so I cant give you a proper redline.

[Anonymous No.6662722]

>>6662721
Hope you can give it to me asap.
I need help

[Anonymous No.6662725]

>>6662720
Rule 1. Dont EVER study from anime art. 90% if the time if its trash jap coom art, the anatomy is terrible and inconsistent.

Always study from IRL. Real life is always 100% accurate. Learn the fundies first, then stylize it once you get good enough.

[Anonymous No.6662726]

>>6662725
I fucking would if there was a booru with the same amount of reference materials and detailed tagging as danbooru

[Anonymous No.6662730]

>>6662725
I have some screenshots of fingering that I took before making that pose. And as you can see, none of them were at the pose that I wanted

I would if I could

[Anonymous No.6662737]

>>6662720
No, your ref is fine, the problem is all with you. Look at where she's inserting her finger, and compare it to what you drew.

[Anonymous No.6662738]

>>6662737
Oh, I was planning to fix that with this hand later.
Thanks,

It wasn't that bad afterall

[Anonymous No.6662740]

first time trying straight from imagination no reference, roast me please

[Anonymous No.6662745]

>>6662737
The reference is NOT fine. The ref is fucking ass. The anatomy is sooo garbage. I don't get how people don't see it.

Please, if you are confused, STUDY FROM IRL.

[Anonymous No.6662746]

>>6662730
I guarantee that there are better refs

[Anonymous No.6662747]

>>6662745
You're just trying to get me to post my irl loli refs. It won't work, because I don't have any, because that would be illegal.
There's really nothing wrong with copying anime, if anime is what you want to draw.

[Anonymous No.6662755]

BEHOLD!
My first piece i wanna show. all others were either too shaky hands or just drawing basic shapes
it's a study of damselfly eating some bug
i made vague gesture/skeleton and then i drew structure.
I used digital because friend had an old wacom tablet and he gave it to me and it's easier to trace digitally.
do i need to fix anything? can i strart coloring it? what would be best brush? I am using gimp

[Anonymous No.6662757]

>>6662755
Looks good bro. Gmi

[Anonymous No.6662759]

>>6662755
if there's something that looks wrong to you, you can try to fix it
otherwise just b urself

[Anonymous No.6662761]

>>6662740
don't know anatomy
flat drawing
awkward pose
but keep it up anon

[Anonymous No.6662768]

>>6662757
>>6662759
thanks.
i will go visit sticky what it says about coloring, since this is first piece i will color, but it seems like bug has very little variation of light and i would need like only 2 shades of blue for body (the slight variation of color behind 3rd pair of legs)
i plan on adding transparent grey for wings
and eyes will require a bit more shading.
But wheat stalk has a lot of colors and shading.
I don't know how would i do background, i will see it at the end.
I will ignore blur and do pure colors.
I will also ignore hairyness but i will add spikes on legs.

[Anonymous No.6662789]

>>6662768
reading david bright's dimensions of color. (unless there is better source) i will read a bit of it, then later i will finish my painting.
I plan on using pencil tool with simple max opacity brush and no pen dynamics.
any other better brush? I am on gimp.

[Anonymous No.6662794]

>>6662755
Try to capture smaller details. The purpose of these exercises is training your observation.
>>6662789
>Gimp
>https://idope dot se/torrent/photoshop%202019/7395fbde9908f9b0cdc987ad5ddb5b05646225e3/
Pirate PS anon. That brush sucks.

[Anonymous No.6662820]

>>6662794
wow you are so fast. i need to stop being distracted and draw diligently. i will draw details on damselfly, and then i will present it to you in 30 minutes.
I use gimp because i am used to it and i heard people complain about adobe a lot

[Anonymous No.6662821]

/!\ BLOG ALERT /!\

Hello it's your favorite "never drawn before" anon here again.
My second piece of art, >>6658381 ended in utter failure. I truly have zero skill at posing. But the style, or lack thereof, made it look even more pathetic. I'm not even going to post it, it's so bad. Friend described it as "bad pixiv art", truly traumatizing words. The only thing worse than that is being called a "deviantart art".
BUT. I decided with the first Reimu already, that I WILL try to learn everything I can out of every piece of art I made. Mainly because I start with a face and cute faces are incredibly precious, every time I pull it off it's still a miracle for me.
So I tried to solve the style problem using just the upper body. I decided to double down on Oekaki and just try replicate it. Not straight-up copy anything, just incorporating ideas from this and that.
Huge success. I mean I'm not there yet, but I started drawing literally two weeks ago. It just feels unfair. Though of course I'm still utterly useless at posing and anatomy.

Oh also to the anons accusing me of larping being a beginner, I figured out why you think that. I know pic probably doesn't help my case, but this is interesting.
It's only the depth that I just have an intuition for. That's literally the only thing I have going for me. But where do I get that intuition?
From years of graphics and physics programming. Linear algebra and topology. I've been practicing spatial thinking unknowingly for a long time.
This was only a cringy powerfantasy theory in my mind for the past two weeks, but then I met an anon that told me a story.
His drawings were flat and two-dimensional, he could not comprehend depth. Not until he started doing 3D modeling. Then it just clicked for him.
It makes so much sense now. I would never have thought my maths and things oriented brain had anything in common with art and drawing anime girls. But it does.
Or maybe it's just autism. Probably is because I'm at 2000 char limi

[Anonymous No.6662828]

>>6662821

[Anonymous No.6662830]

>>6662828
>/!\ BLOG ALERT /!\
I warned

[Anonymous No.6662844]

>>6662830
Don't worry, I didn't read.

[Anonymous No.6662845]

>>6662844
ok

[Anonymous No.6662848]

>>6662820
>in 30 mins
Don't rush it anon. I draw fast because I have been drawing for a while.
>Gimp
Did you adjust Gimp pressure sensitivity? Your lines seem a little too even. You need tapered lines.

[Anonymous No.6662864]

How do you draw gesture exactly? I don't get it.
>draw the movement
Yes, I know, but how do you do that? How do you draw movement? It always confuses me because whenever I see people do it they still end up with a silhouette which makes it look like they're drawing the silhouette, but they're not, the silhouette is simply appearing as a result of the gesture. It confuses me so much and neither Proko, Michael Hampton, Vilppu or Steve Huston explain or show it in a way I can emulate. Is there a Russian academic approach to gesture or some concrete way of just capturing movement?

[Anonymous No.6662868]

>>6662864
Just learn smt else mf. You'll get it eventually.

[Anonymous No.6662905]

>>6662848
>>6662755
aaaand done
I chose generic pen dynamics since it seems ok
i need to experiment with non even lines and other brushes as you said
i got things to do so i can't do the plant.
next time i will draw another insect

[Anonymous No.6662910]

>>6662745
Nigga, please give me irl refs.

No kidding. If I can improve it, I would

[Anonymous No.6662912]

[Anonymous No.6662920]

>>6662224
>I cant believe i pushed through today and drew
Average artist learning perspective.

[Anonymous No.6662928]

>>6662224
haha...

[Anonymous No.6662930]

>>6662912
I don't know what you want critiqued, so I am gonna be general: It's pretty evident that you are confident with heads and hands (though those look like Milt Kahl's) but your line quality gives away that you barely drew clothes before, they are scratchy while in other parts they are uniform, and that's a big nono, it gives away your beg-ness.

[Anonymous No.6662937]

>>6662912
Are you the anon who post Banner Saga-esque works?

[Anonymous No.6662946]

>>6662930
>I don't know what you want critiqued
Any critique you can give is really appreciated.
>It's pretty evident that you are confident with heads and hands
Thank you! I've been practicing those.
>(though those look like Milt Kahl's
It's probably the sausage construction of the fingers.
>but your line quality gives away that you barely drew clothes before,
Yes it's the first time in a while I've drawn clothes on the frame.
Thanks I'll work on it.
>>6662937
Yea, that's me.

[Anonymous No.6662952]

>>6662821
Wow, if you put the time that took you to write that into drawing, your drawing would be better.
>Never drawn before
I don't know the drama, but really? Never even as a kid? Anyways, you clearly have drawn at least a thing before now, so now you're just a beg, congratulations.

[Anonymous No.6662965]

>>6662203
>i actually wanted the dude to be stilt because the pose would be more strange
kek. Can't argue with that.
> i wanted to have an idea end up putting it into paper in an organized way
This may seem out of nowhere, but why don't you take a habit of writing? It's pretty much getting ideas and organizing them, then you go and draw what you wrote.
Maybe it will help if you take a creative writing class too.

[Anonymous No.6662973]

>>6662946
>first time in a while I've drawn clothes on the frame
Yeah, clothes are a bitch to draw at first, and to get better you basically have to relearn figure drawing all over again, with timed poses and shit, just with clothes (but it's fun when you get it)
>It's probably the sausage construction of the fingers.
So you weren't referencing him? That's pretty impressive anon. You know, speaking of Milt Kahl, his clothes are also top tier, you should study them, and I think they would suit the style you are going for.

[Anonymous No.6662991]

>>6662973
>but it's fun when you get it
I'm sure it will be just gotta slog through until it becomes sub conscious.
There's alot of expression in clothing folds.
An exaggeration of the bodies folds in a way I think.
>So you weren't referencing him? That's pretty impressive anon.
Oh man you're gonna give me an ego.
> you should study them, and I think they would suit the style you are going for.
I'll give them a look it'll be good for me since I want to do animation.
Pic rel is the style I like most.
It's from The Banner Saga game series.

[Anonymous No.6663019]

How do i love on from drawing gesture drawings to figures or at least not noodle looking people?
Also any feedback for the gestures?

[Anonymous No.6663022]

>>6662722
Copy Bridgman twice.

[Anonymous No.6663028]

>>6662721
Did mom put it on top of the shelf again?

[Anonymous No.6663074]

How do I make this more cave like? The subject is in the middle so a lot of it’s covered up but I’ve never done backgrounds

[Anonymous No.6663092]

>>6661184
big booba sketches

[Anonymous No.6663107]

>>6663092
those are great gestures
how did you learn?

[Anonymous No.6663114]

>>6663019
I meant MOVE ON** wtf

[Anonymous No.6663115]

>>6662755
Dab?

[Anonymous No.6663129]

>>6662965
this may be a really good idea, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6663135]

>>6663107
>great gestures
Brain rot coomer. You don't know shit stfu.

[Anonymous No.6663137]

>>6663092
booba

[Anonymous No.6663140]

>>6663019
I can see movements in these gesture. You got the basic but still have proportion issue. You'll get better don't worry.

[Anonymous No.6663142]

>>6663135
what was this butthurt for?

[Anonymous No.6663147]

>>6663142
Those are not gestures and you are a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.6663148]

>>6663115
on them haters

[Anonymous No.6663152]

>>6663107
The following courses by steve huston

Constructive Figure Drawing
Art Anatomy for Beginners
Constructive Head Drawing


Along with this video that has a quick and simple explanation of shape design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmUMhMs5vFE

>>6663137
booba

>>6663135
>>6663147
relax, lets just draw

[Anonymous No.6663159]

>>6663147
even if those are indeed not pure gestures, every drawing has gesture in it

>>6663152
thanks

[Anonymous No.6663185]

>>6662066
Stop listening to the retards in this thread, for one. Stop trying to "get" gesture until you have a solid understanding of form, construction and observation. Gesture is the biggest /beg/ trap there is and it always summons the fucking gesture goblins when anyone dares to speak up about it.

[Anonymous No.6663187]

>>6663185
gesture is a must, problem is, it seems every teacher is different. but you need it, makes everything easy to draw

[Anonymous No.6663190]

[Anonymous No.6663195]

>>6663185
Gesture is the easiest thing to learn. If he can't understand gesture how can he learn perspective, anatomy, and composition?

[Anonymous No.6663257]

>>6662952
>Never even as a kid?
I guess but I doubt the shit I was forced to draw in primary school is relevant experience since I don't even remember what I drew back then

[Anonymous No.6663265]

>>6661410
Every time.

[Anonymous No.6663294]

>>6663265
good rendering can save bad line art

[Anonymous No.6663295]

>>6663190
disturbing

[Anonymous No.6663298]

>>6663295
why

[Anonymous No.6663300]

>>6663294
Perhaps. How is the rendering in that particular image, by the way?

[Anonymous No.6663303]

>>6663298

[Anonymous No.6663309]

THIS. >>6663185
>Gesture is the biggest /beg/ trap there is

"gesture" it's an advanced concept. First get right your anatomy, compostion, value, perspective, build mileage, do master copies, at the very end, when you need that "something else", that personal thing you're looking for, maybe, "Gesture" will be the thing that gives you that edge or special "shine" to your work.

[Anonymous No.6663313]

>>6663294
good rendering do not need lineart

[Anonymous No.6663320]

>>6663298
Is she gonna be eaten alive, not even cooked?

[Anonymous No.6663326]

>>6662910
go to yandex image search, and put the first irl reference you had in the search. you will find more similar references.

[Anonymous No.6663330]

>>6662991
wow thats probably the best art in this thread. low int. if your rendering is decent itll be mid int.

[Anonymous No.6663334]

>>6663309
Gesture is only a beg trap if the beg in question only practices gesture, because it takes a long time to get good at it. And no, it doesn't make sense to only being able to do some sketching from photos after you learn fucking perspective and anatomy. Hell, why would you need anatomy to do gesture?
>le 30 sec pose
>anatomy anon: hmm the pectorino sargent major on this model is insertin-
>pose over

[Anonymous No.6663343]

>>6663185
>>6662066
>>6663309
Today I will remind them

[Anonymous No.6663347]

>>6663330
I am pretty sure the dude just posted a pic of an artist he likes.

[Anonymous No.6663353]

>>6663343
>Costruction anon: REAL artists use CONSTRUCTION
>Da Vinci: pic related

[Anonymous No.6663402]

Im finally getting good at anatomy fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.6663406]

>>6663402
forgot to crop

[Anonymous No.6663411]

>>6663406

[Anonymous No.6663412]

>>6663411
>>6663406
>>6663402
anon...

[Anonymous No.6663414]

>>6663320
Power is made for raw feasting

[Anonymous No.6663417]

>>6663412
Hm? Do you have critiques because im open to all of it.

[Anonymous No.6663420]

>>6663334
>Hell, why would you need anatomy to do gesture?
Jesus Fucking Christ, I can't even...

GESTURE IT'S A FUCKING SYMBOLIC DESCRIPTION. A DESCRIPTION FOR THE ARTIST TO EXPRESS VIA ARTISTIC KNOWLEDGE (anatomy, perspective, composition) AN IMAGE REPRESENTATION OF THAT SAID SYMBOLIC DESCRIPTION.

[Anonymous No.6663426]

Are there any tutorials or books on how to draw facial expressions like this? Because everywhere you look they tell you how to draw basic emotions.

[Anonymous No.6663438]

>>6663426
Study one aspect at a time. The eyes. Different eye expressions. Then the mouth, different mouth expressions. Then the open mouth. And the combine all three and study IRL expressions to refine them all.

[Anonymous No.6663451]

you must learn gesture, your life will become easy

[Anonymous No.6663496]

>>6663451
>you must learn gesture
It's not about learning gesture or not learning gesture, it's about when the right time to study gesture is, relative to your overall skill level.

Teaching drawing via figure drawing, and figure drawing starting with gesture, are legacies of when art education was solely directed at already decent artists.

[Anonymous No.6663503]

>>6663496
yeah this so much. begs should start with DAB, a proven system

[Anonymous No.6663506]

>>6663503
how will drawing this help me

[Anonymous No.6663508]

>>6663506
A dabbing Bill Gates is a great gesture exercise.

[Anonymous No.6663509]

>>6663503
Beginners should start with copying images, first by identifying 2D shapes then with identifying 3D forms. Doing gesture ahead of that is like learning how to write vocabulary before singing the alphabet song.

[Anonymous No.6663533]

>>6663426
Kind of like this worried face i just drew

[Anonymous No.6663537]

>>6663533
cropped

[Anonymous No.6663542]

>>6663309
>>6663185
you are full of shit

gesture is as fundamental as any other skill. gesture and composition are the only skills which can make your art look good even if you suck dick at everything else.

[Anonymous No.6663544]

>>6663412
as i thought. Lil bro has no response bc he cant possibly fathom the skill difference between me and him.

[Anonymous No.6663550]

>>6663420
Ok, but how is knowing that the deltoid originates from the scapula, acromion process and clavicle, inserts into the humerus, and has three heads gonna help me draw a figure that doesn't seems like it's making a robot dance?

[Anonymous No.6663551]

>>6663544
i think he's just making fun of you for fucking the upload up twice

[Anonymous No.6663553]

>>6663550
GESTURE DRAWING YOU DUMB FUCK

[Anonymous No.6663556]

>>6663550
stop arguing with the crab schizo

[Anonymous No.6663557]

>>6663330
>>6663347
Yes it's not mine, it's pro level lol

[Anonymous No.6663559]

>>6663551
Im on my phone so I had it coming ig. I just wanted crit on my drawing tho.

[Anonymous No.6663560]

>>6663503
the fuck is DAB

[Anonymous No.6663562]

>>6663556
How am I a crab? Do you even know what a crab means? Im looking for crit. Even of your beg. Ill take anything. Give me your fucking worst.

[Anonymous No.6663567]

>>6663557
I wouldn't say pro level IMO. Ig its just my opinion tho

[Anonymous No.6663568]

>>6663560

[Anonymous No.6663570]

This >>6663509 anything else is bullshit. For an entire thread filled with 30 year old pre/beg/s always complaining about how Chad Pencilhands has "talent" and is good at drawing because he doodled as a kid while you are bad because reasons, it's actually stunning how little insight you have. You can't draw for shit because you never learned to observe and copy you fucking retards. Learning gesture before you've even copied a single rendered image or photo is akin to trying to learn parkour before you can even crawl, it's that terrible of an idea. You LITERALLY just need to copy photos and paintings you like, get it as close to the reference as possible, and do this for a LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THIS IS YOUR MOST VALUABLE PRACTICE. BUT YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT GETS BORING AND YOU DON'T LIKE TO DO IT. This is why unmotivated drawfags who NEVER even consciously practiced drawing, but they drew as a kid, will always mog your most diligent Loomisfags, gesturefags and vilpufags, and this is proven time and time again by the posters in this very thread. Retarded pre/beg/s need not even reply, I already know you'll be coping in overdrive over this post, go fuck yourself. This post is directed at the small amount of people that actually have what it takes to make it, if you reply with "muh gestures" that automatically excludes you so don't even bother.

[Anonymous No.6663571]

>>6663570
Correct.

[Anonymous No.6663573]

>>6663562
here is my critique: you should learn gesture as beg and there is nothing you need to know before it to do it
knowing construction and anatomy can improve it and it is optional to put them in the gesture and you can express gesture without them.

it is in the first few pages of any figure drawing book and I am paraphrasing vilppu's video course and speaking from personal experience

[Anonymous No.6663575]

>>6663570
Holy fucking based.

[Anonymous No.6663578]

>>6663570
this post made me subscribe to NMA

[Anonymous No.6663580]

I am halfway through Keys to Drawing. It told me to draw a face in strong light. The more I worked on it, the uglier it became. I can't say I like the result, but at least I see the mistakes (especially when it's side by side now) and practise is a practise

[Anonymous No.6663581]

>>6663570
jesus fucking christ this krenz accuracy obsessed faggot retard is either schizosamefagging really hard or really infecting the mind of every pregbeg that steps on /ic/

[Anonymous No.6663583]

>>6663573
>it is in the first few pages of any figure drawing book and I am paraphrasing vilppu's video course
All of which come from the world of art schools, where students are *literally not accepted* unless they are *already* at a skill level that eclipses 99% of the beginners in this thread.

>https://www.ringling.edu/portfolio-prep/
Here are application portolios from a school where Vilppu taught for a decade. Are the begs struggling to even comprehend what gesture *is*, already on this level?

[Anonymous No.6663584]

>>6663581
I don't even know who the fuck krenz is you little crab faggot. Must be taxing on your peanut-sized brain to accept that there could be multiple people that aren't structured course autists like yourself.

[Anonymous No.6663585]

>>6663570
>You LITERALLY just need to copy photos and paintings you like, get it as close to the reference as possible, and do this for a LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THIS IS YOUR MOST VALUABLE PRACTICE. BUT YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT GETS BORING AND YOU DON'T LIKE TO DO IT.
I never did this shit. KJG never did that shit.

Who is filling the brain of these idiots with this "accuracy" bullshit? This is new. Who is brainwashing these morons

[Anonymous No.6663588]

Man I am a pre/beg/ and I would really like to learn art, let me check out the beg thre-

[Anonymous No.6663590]

>>6663585
Pyw. Let's see the amazing art of someone who never copied. Go on.

[Anonymous No.6663591]

>>6662755
Here is another photo study, this time of a dude holding up a tarantula. Too bad i can't spoiler it for arachnophobes.
Did i do shapes right? Before i move onto drawing detail?
>>6663115
i only did it for first 2 lessons of drawabox (DAB) (with pencils). I also watched and learned from proko a bit.
>>6663570
thanks. i saw this sentiment on ic and this is why my new plan is to copy and study photos of various creatures and things to climb up to humans and complex machines

[Anonymous No.6663592]

>>6663583
kek half of this thread would be accepted then

[Anonymous No.6663594]

>>6663580
keep going, less is more in the end, once you learn it all, you will start working backwards and removing stuff

[Anonymous No.6663596]

>>6663585
>KJG never did that shit.
lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.6663597]

>>6663583
>>6663592
Would love to actually see which portfolios got rejected. Maybe these are just the cream of the crop instead of a random grab bag.

[Anonymous No.6663598]

>>6663553
Then gesture isn't a representation, it's about movement and expression, not a fucking symbol of anatomy and perspective.
>>6663570
>You LITERALLY just need to copy photos and paintings you like, get it as close to the reference as possible, and do this for a LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
For the billionth time, no, you don't need to do the krenz-bargue shit to be good at drawing, yes you need to "copy", but you should really study, and I am really tired of you guys thinking that you can only learn this or that fundamental at a time, what is wrong for a beg to copy shit and do gestures? To learn to render and perspective?

[Anonymous No.6663599]

>>6663591
Very good anon. I see potential. Keep copying things you like and you'll eventually look up things that need improvement automatically. Ignore every gesturecuck in this thread. In fact, it's probably better just to filter the word 'gesture' altogether.

[Anonymous No.6663601]

>>6663570
You're my favorite crab poster, one day id love to see ur work...

[Anonymous No.6663602]

>>6663598
NTA but spreading myself thin and trying to do everything at once is how me and many others have gotten burnt out on drawing every single time.

[Anonymous No.6663603]

WIP

I was going for a bit of exaggerated proportions. So when I drew her body I made her extremely long limbed and thin. But after adding clothes it made her arms look even longer and a bit off lol. Crazy how clothes can change how you see a body type…Oh well, I’ll do better next time.

[Anonymous No.6663604]

>>6663590

[Anonymous No.6663605]

>>6663585
those fucking retards are crawling from the anime "study" general

>>6663590
not him, but here is something from imagination. your turn. I'm waiting

[Anonymous No.6663606]

>>6663598
Fucking retard, nobody is saying copying means mindlessly working like a fucking printer. Obviously you pay attention to how the elements are placed, values, colors etc. How fucking braindead are you? The NPC meme is real.

[Anonymous No.6663609]

>>6663596
In all his interviews, when asked how to get good, he never once even mentioned "copying others". He said a lot of things, but never anything about this "accuracy" religion that you retards parrot lately.

[Anonymous No.6663611]

>>6663604
>>6663605
Nigga, pYw

[Anonymous No.6663612]

>>6663604
Hey Kim Jung Gi, a happy ching chong to you. Fucking dumbass.

[Anonymous No.6663613]

>>6663606
you are shitting and toxicfying what was once a pretty nice thread to chill on

get fucked piece of shit retard monkey

[Anonymous No.6663614]

>>6663609
Nobody ever admits to tracing or copying. They just call it studying.

[Anonymous No.6663615]

>>6663550
Knowing how the human body is constructed and how it works will give you the tools to bend the figure in a credible and graceful maner.
..and to be honest, I fucking hate all that anatomy lingo, about the whole fucking muscle dictionary and "insertions" and all that crap. I prefer the "shape" approach, much more effective.and to the point. Built your own shapes, translate anatomy to your own visual vocabulary and go from there. Copy poses, there're infinite resources online for poses.

Gesture is something else, you grab that card when there's nothing else you have to draw, gesture will give you something unique. That's not for begs.

[Anonymous No.6663616]

>>6663604
>>6663605
Is this the new bait, where people post art they didn't make and then claim they never copied anything? And people believe them? Kek.

[Anonymous No.6663617]

>>6663611

[Anonymous No.6663620]

>>6663612
>>6663611
You're retarded. Anyway, someone posted my work as the OP pic of this thread.

[Anonymous No.6663621]

>>6663609
Because that was a skill he had already mastered long before he ever "got good". Dude was drawing shit like this when he was 17. Those were skills he probably mastered in fucking middle school, they're so basic they were below his notice.

People like him genuinely do not understand the fundamental concept of an adult art beginner, someone who is learning art without having obsessively copied their favorite manga as a kid.

[Anonymous No.6663622]

>>6663616
More proof that copying is the golden goose that start-as-a-child crabscum are keeping from honest good natured /beg/s.

[Anonymous No.6663623]

>>6663620
Post it

[Anonymous No.6663624]

>>6663611
.

[Anonymous No.6663625]

>>6663614
>Nobody ever admits to tracing or copying. They just call it studying.
Right, right.

[Anonymous No.6663626]

>>6663620
If OP pic is yours, then the guy you replied to was right sorry to say.

[Anonymous No.6663627]

>>6663605
>>6663611
>>6663616
>art they didn't make

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I literally posted this here a few months ago while I was doing it retarded braindead slug

[Anonymous No.6663629]

>>6663622
Huge overlap between the start-as-a-child crabs and the gesturecrabs as well.

[Anonymous No.6663630]

>>6663627
im not even tryna crab here. my art is >>6663624 and >>6663617.

But your art is ASS.

[Anonymous No.6663631]

>>6663627
I am still waiting to see the masterful fucking shit you made by making 1:1 copies for so long

go ahead dipshit
either post or leave this thread forever

[Anonymous No.6663633]

>>6663627
You either lied about your halfway shitty coom art or you lied about never having copied anything. Either way you're shitty crabscum not worth paying attention to.

[Anonymous No.6663636]

>>6663623
>>6663626
Suck my dick (accurately).

[Anonymous No.6663637]

>>6663627
>I literally posted this here a few months ago
Then why can't I find it in the archive?
Also, mind showing the layers?

[Anonymous No.6663638]

>>6663602
Sure, but obsessing over a concept for, and I quote, "A long period of time", is another sure fire way to burn out, you gonna copy, idk, KJG's drawing for a year, congratulations, you are now a printing machine of his style and can't draw from imagination.
>>6663606
That's what copying means, anon, the goal is to reproduce the thing, and I already put the caveat that yes, you should copy, but you got to learn something from it, while the anon I was responding didn't even mention it.
>>6663615
Now I can agree to disagree, because your way of learning anatomy at least gave you what I would call gesture. I just don't think it's a universal that begs shouldn't at least try to learn.

[Anonymous No.6663639]

>>6663603
i like it alot... id rape her

[Anonymous No.6663641]

>>6663609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqFbgKWoao
>I observed and drew
>I just watched and drew
>I looked at this side, and drew, and then this side, and drew, and then that side...

"Look at stuff and draw it" is the fundamental skill that every, literally every, good artist has mastered over an immense amount of practice. Drawing from life, or copying another drawing, the basic idea of practice via drawing from reference is THE fundamental art skill that all artists honed to a T long, long, long before being exposed to gesture, or any other fundamental for that matter.

[Anonymous No.6663642]

i never copied as a child, and here is my art. just more proof for you so called "self taught" artist that tryna do shit by yourself is STUPID

[Anonymous No.6663644]

>>6663642

[Anonymous No.6663646]

>>6663644
yeah i'll stick with copying

[Anonymous No.6663648]

>>6663642
pretty neat
>>6663644
uh, kinda terrible

[Anonymous No.6663649]

>>6663623
you know what, here

[Anonymous No.6663650]

>>6663633
I never said I didn't copy you monkey all I said is that you don't need to master anatomy or construction before getting into gesture and that you don't have to do a fuckload of 1:1 copies of a billion fucking things before you learn any of the three fundamentals for figure drawing

>>6663637
I just showed 3 different layers what the fuck else you want

[Anonymous No.6663652]

>>6663648
not op but you cant just say its terrble without saying why. i think thats called crabbing

[Anonymous No.6663653]

>>6663642
Is that supposed to be impressive? Now render it. How are you gonna know the placement of light and shadow? Does your structured course teach you exactly where to place the light and shadows for every angle and every shape in every scenario? Do you see what a fucking MORONIC idea it is to suggest that someone who never studied/copied can pump out high quality art because they fucking read about it in a book?

[Anonymous No.6663654]

>>6663641
What he's talking about is not what the people here talk about with their "accuracy" meme that they fell for. It's basically the opposite, KJG never measured anything, and just loosely guesstimated vanishing points, proportions, anatomy, everything.

[Anonymous No.6663658]

>>6663650
>I never said I didn't copy you monkey all I said is that you don't need to master anatomy or construction before getting into gesture and that you don't have to do a fuckload of 1:1 copies of a billion fucking things before you learn any of the three fundamentals for figure drawing
Then you can't fucking read you dumb nigger.
>"I never did this shit. KJG never did that shit."[referring to copying photos and paintings you like]
THIS IS YOUR FUCKING QUOTE YOU BRAINDEAD TARD.

[Anonymous No.6663660]

>>6663653
Everyone I've ever met who "only drew from imagination" is either lying or can never produce anything finished. Their lineart looks like shit, they can't color or shade, they can sketch decently enough but that is it. The crabs trying to post against copying is only proving this more. I'm sure you can learn something by smashing your head against a wall endlessly but most of us are adults and don't have the time or patience for that.

[Anonymous No.6663664]

>>6663658
>>"I never did this shit. KJG never did that shit."[referring to copying photos and paintings you like]
>THIS IS YOUR FUCKING QUOTE YOU BRAINDEAD TARD.
That quote is mine, and I'm not the person you're replying to. I think all that copying fried your brain.

[Anonymous No.6663669]

>>6663664
Then stop cucking for someone else's argument when I'm not even disagreeing with you you dumb nigger. I never said "learn anatomy before gesture!" I said "copy before doing both anatomy and gestures". Retard.

[Anonymous No.6663676]

>>6663660
stop complaing bc you fucking cant draw. god i wish it was required to post your work if you wanna fucking complain or give crit

[Anonymous No.6663678]

>>6663616
That left leg needs some good red lines right there

[Anonymous No.6663679]

>>6663660
This is true. Notice how even the best "I never copy!" crabs ONLY post sketches. I've literally never seen any of them post a finished piece and believe me I've asked plenty. Cool, you can make a halfway decent sketch. What are you gonna do with it? If it's for fun, great job, keep it up, do whatever the fuck you want. Do you want to improve your skillset and/or make actual money of art? You'll have to put in the hours of copying anyway or your rendering will look like hot dogshit.

[Anonymous No.6663683]

>>6663676
What work? I can't draw, that's why I'm getting started with copying, crabbie :^)

[Anonymous No.6663687]

>>6663676
Kochokoso, crabnigger. Let's see your work. The guy you replied to didn't even claim to be advanced, he literally just pointed out what he noticed from his experiences with other artists and it was enough to set you off on a melty.

[Anonymous No.6663689]

>>6663669
I'm not even reading your posts.

>>6661184
To everyone: remember that the most importnt thing is to have fun, like KJG said. Avoid boring drill like the "accuracy" retards demand. You don't need to make yourself suffer to get good.

[Anonymous No.6663690]

>>6663658
lmao go learn gesture and go do some drawings from imagination, stop doing a trillion 1:1 copies and stop giving advice then perhaps you will improve you crab nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.6663692]

>>6663690
Pyw, now, or be forever outed as a retarded and talentless crabnigger.

[Anonymous No.6663694]

>>6663689
being unable to draw what i want at a level i find acceptable and spending 8+ hours to produce something mediocre isn't fun, that's making myself suffer. stop hiding behind some dead guy to make your vapid points i've heard a million times from people who already made it, which if you did, you wouldn't be here at all

[Anonymous No.6663699]

>>6663689
Crabnigger (forma grande)

[Anonymous No.6663700]

>>6663654
It doesn't matter if it's life, or a photograph, or another drawing. It's the mileage that matters, the practice. Adult beginners are compressing what KJG spent his entire fucking childhood doing into the span of a year or two, and encountering obstacles he never in his life even conceived of. There is no version of KJG who skipped those years of drawing the things he saw, and went straight to fucking gesture as step 1. There is no version of Vilppu who did that, no version of Hampton, or whoever else. That is simply not how artists prior to the internet came to be - there was literally no way for it to even happen. You couldn't get into art school as a total beginner, and if an adult wanted to learn to draw they simply *started drawing*.

But that is the reality of the begs ITT, who turn to Proko or Vilppu or Hampton who start with teaching gesture. Begs who have essentially not drawn anything since kindergarten, who have made fewer drawings from life in their entire lifespan than KJG probably made in a single week as an elementary schooler. Filling sketchbook after book with drawings from life is the step zero that textbooks and courses don't mention, because it's an assumption that literally every student they've ever had has already been doing it for years.

There's a difference between the way German is taught to native speakers in German schools, and the way German is taught to adults who want to learn a second language. The adults' learning rate is dramatically accelerated, they can learn information much faster than children. To take advantage of that, the adult course is inherently rigorous and structured, with tools and procedures for efficient practice: a far cry from how native speakers learn - they learn via countless hours simply speaking with their parents at home! Art, and accuracy, is the same. Adult begs need not practice accuracy in rigid formulaic ways; they too can just go draw from life for months on end. But they can't do *neither*.

[Anonymous No.6663703]

>>6663687
you know what, since im actually confident in myslef, i will pmw.

[Anonymous No.6663705]

>>6663700
Never seen a post "get it" more than this. People who drew as a kid will never be able to relate to adult beginners.

[Anonymous No.6663708]

>>6663700
Furthermore, and getting into this post >>6663689 - the reason copying as accuracy practice is popular is *because it's more fun*. Most people don't enjoy drawing from life anywhere near as much as they enjoy drawing from art they like. But it's the same damn thing.

The reason you don't see professional artists talking about it more is because they don't call it """accuracy practice""". They just call it "drawing".

[Anonymous No.6663709]

>>6663687
>>6663649
>>6663642
>>6663644

[Anonymous No.6663711]

>>6663709
>unfinished sketches
bahahaha

[Anonymous No.6663712]

>>6663703
That is fucking terrible. How can you not see that? And I've seen you post this same unfinished turd months ago, what the fuck are you even doing here?

[Anonymous No.6663713]

>>6663694
NTA, good news for you, a normal gesture drawing session takes half a hour, not 8 hours (I know it was hyperbole, but I don't get the argument)

[Anonymous No.6663717]

>>6663712
I knew whoever replied to me was gonna be a crab. Tell me everything that is terrible about it. Im very curious.

[Anonymous No.6663719]

>>6663709
>>6663703
Kekmao. Everything the other guy said was right. The "nooo don't ever copy" crowd can physically only produce unfinished sketches. It's hilarious how I can see your narrative crumble apart in real time. Also, as a consequence of never copying, they fail to accurately assess their own skill level and have an overinflated ego. Sasuga.

[Anonymous No.6663721]

>>6663700
I already saw your shitty drawings and this wall of schizo text is not going to defend your point

>>6663692
already did retarded nigger faggot >>6663627

[Anonymous No.6663722]

>>6663719
ego is good. cockiness is good.

[Anonymous No.6663727]

>>6663654
>KJG never measured anything, and just loosely guesstimated vanishing points, proportions, anatomy, everything.
This is so fucking stupid. Do you think KJG never drew something and then thought "hey, this part doesn't look quite right, that line is too long"?

I genuinely don't know what broke your brains on this. Draw from a reference, evaluate your mistakes, repeat. That is how every human has learned to draw since the dawn of cave art. The only differences are the mediums and methods.

[Anonymous No.6663731]

>>6663700
I never studied Hampton, so I can't tell shit.
>Proko
He literally is releasing a beg course that starts with, gasps, copying, then line.
>Vilppu
He isn't even the suggested first course on NMA, it's the drawing foundations, it starts with line and tone exercises.

[Anonymous No.6663735]

>>6663713
it wasn't hyperbole, that is how long it takes for me to finish something.
>a normal gesture drawing session takes half a hour
it's not about "getting it done faster" like it's a fucking chore, it's all about accumulating knowledge. maybe you don't find drawing fun and that's why you want to speed through it with this shit, but i would rather spend 8 hours doing "drills" that actually feel helpful to my development instead of bullshit i can barely comprehend. i understand what gesture is meant to be for but it feels very aimless right now for somebody of my skill level. i don't know why that fact makes people seethe so much.

[Anonymous No.6663736]

>>6663717
Your rendering is terrible. It lacks any sense of anatomical correctness, the dividing lines are too sharp in some places and too soft in others. The shadows are way too dark. The hands look like you straight up copied them from a shitty 3D model program and the proportions don't make sense (look at that thumb, those knuckles and how they relate to the fingers, it's just shit all around). This is just the abs btw, seeing as the rest of your picture ISN'T EVEN FINISHED. But let's keep going for a little while longer. Your head looks retarded; he has almost 0 forehead. I don't understand what's going on with the nose. The hair is cartoon style while you were obviously trying (and failing) to get a hyper realistic look going on with the abs and hands.

If there's any positive feedback I can give it's that at least you use dark darks and light lights, but that's literally the only positive thing I can say about it.

The reason you're gonna cope and shit yourself over this is because you lack the observational ability to discern that your work is a piece of dogshit, because you lack experience in studying/copying other works.

[Anonymous No.6663739]

>>6663712
Pfft If this is not good, what drawings in this thread are?

[Anonymous No.6663740]

>>6663739
Almost none and if they are good it's only a sketch. I've been browsing here for a few months and I've seen maybe 2 rendered pieces that were actually good. Which makes sense considering this is a /beg/ thread.

[Anonymous No.6663742]

>>6663700
>Begs who have essentially not drawn anything since kindergarten, who have made fewer drawings from life in their entire lifespan than KJG probably made in a single week as an elementary schooler.
That's the ultimate truth. If you are late 20s - 30s beg, it's literally impossible to keep up with artists who already drew for decade before they first held hands with a girl.

[Anonymous No.6663743]

>>6663703
awful

[Anonymous No.6663746]

>>6663742
that's not what that quote says at all lol

[Anonymous No.6663749]

>>6663703
I am not whoever you are arguing with, but this looks absolutely terrible, you should not be confident in yourself at all

[Anonymous No.6663751]

>>6663743
crab. tell us why its awful. oh but you wont respond, cause your either a fat neckbeard or fat little chubby shit with no social life.

[Anonymous No.6663755]

>>6663751
I responded >>6663736 , yet you didn't respond to that did you? Curious.

[Anonymous No.6663756]

>>6663749
1. its not finished, and 2. tell me why its terrible.

Im okay with my work being called trash, I just need to know WHY. Im okay with "this is terrible bc it has bad anatomy and gesture". Thats fine and understsndable.

But just saying "this looks absolutely terrible" gives me nothing to work with, and an actual waste of a comment.

[Anonymous No.6663758]

>>6663735
>maybe you don't find drawing fun and that's why you want to speed through it with this shit
Nah, I find it fun, just have a need for speed
> i would rather spend 8 hours doing "drills" that actually feel helpful to my development instead of bullshit
But you said that you didn't find those 8 hours fun, while I find the challenge of drawing a figure in a minute better than video games, so I guess the bullshit wins ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.6663761]

>>6663755
you said "awful" like im supposed to know you are the same person. gtfo.

[Anonymous No.6663762]

>>6663758
doing drills for 8 hours that helps me grow =/= smacking my head against a wall trying to use what little knowledge i have to complete something for 8 hours
you can't even understand what i'm talking about so this is pointless

[Anonymous No.6663764]

>>6663755
These little faggots only care about their fragile ego and can't actually handle real criticism. No wonder they're trying to flex on people who are genuine beginners with their below average ability.

[Anonymous No.6663769]

>>6663736
FINALLY! A GOOD FUCKING CRITIQUE. THANK YOU.

(like others, i dont take brusque crit like this offensivley, i take it with wholeheartedness and respect)

again, thanks for the crit.

[Anonymous No.6663772]

>>6663742
No.

You just can't expect to use the same learning tools, starting from stage 0, that they used when they entered art school at stage 20.

[Anonymous No.6663774]

>>6663764
lol >>6663769

what was that again? fragile ego?

[Anonymous No.6663775]

>>6663762
Yeah, just seems like we are wired diffently, just try to have an open mind toward other people, not calling whatever skill they spent sweat and tears developing bullshit is a start

[Anonymous No.6663777]

>>6663769
im so tired of "awful" or "shitty art". What this board needs is more of this >>6663736

[Anonymous No.6663783]

>>6663777
>>6663774
>>6663769
What's the point of that valuable piece of critique if you're not gonna do anything with it? Or did it change your mindset about not needing to copy?

[Anonymous No.6663792]

>>6663703
heres the lineart

[Anonymous No.6663799]

>>6663783
well when i first posted that unfinished drawing, nobody replied to it lol. so ig i just put the drawing away for too long. but now that i have solid and descriptive crit, i can move foward with the piece, and finally finish it.

[Anonymous No.6663807]

some artist are not ready for the hard and painful truth. their ego and stubborness get in the way, that it blinds them to actual crit.

[Anonymous No.6663820]

>>6663792
You need to do more copies

[Anonymous No.6663832]

NEW THREAD
>>6663831
>>6663831
>>6663831

[Anonymous No.6663844]

>>6663641
>20:42
This proves that weaponized incel energy can create wonders

[Anonymous No.6664295]

>>6662062
If you have time, dabble in all three. Changing mediums can keep it fresh. You will naturally gravitate to the one that's best. This isn't something that you need to decide like what collage to go to. This is something that will happen to you over time.

Just don't quit your day job.

[Anonymous No.6664300]

>>6662066
Try watching the vilppu videos. Particularly the one on proko. I'm too lazy to link it.
>>6662072
I wouldn't call him pre beg. It can be a trap at any level.

[Anonymous No.6664307]

>>6662458
At least she isn't using poor trigger discipline.

[Anonymous No.6664312]

>>6662559
Are you trying to piss off everyone? I'm not even sure what this means.
>>6662474
Underrated. I see the proportional errors, but if I didn't know I was on /beg/ I might not have noticed.
>>6662524
Not as good. I suspect you found the subject more appealing and consequently drew it worse.

[Anonymous No.6664314]

>>6663303
Kek

[Anonymous No.6664359]

>>6664312
>Are you trying to piss off everyone? I'm not even sure what this means.
Just brief summations from clips. I don't know what it means either, it's Greek to me.
>Underrated.
I think any modern image that excites the Picasso Trigger gets me to draw it (pic for influence). Had to keep extending her torso.
>Not as good. I suspect you found the subject more appealing
That could be. Wanting to distort the anatomy is often a sign of that, it's intended to convey the sense that she's melding with her violin. I guess the presence of certain elements on the page appeared more important.

[Anonymous No.6664864]

>>6663703
How final is the rendering on the hands? The tendons aren't really that visible.

[Anonymous No.6665119]

>>6664864
Its not final at all. Im not even close to complete with the drawing.

[Anonymous No.6665819]

[Anonymous No.6666051]

https://youtu.be/rZnvXBh341I

Do this asian autism exercise if you truly want to improve FAST also do the krenz course, involves tons of autism
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-238090f8a5934eb883fc644bef1d1214

niggers should put that shit into the sticky

[Anonymous No.6666055]

>>6666051
btw watch this on youtube for the subtitles for some reason they don't appear into the embedded link