/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6651097]

Drawing redpills thread
>all drawing is symbol drawing
>beginners should start with copying cartoons
>Master copies are more productive than life drawing
>Coordination exercises are a waste of time
>Construction is best learned by copying Morpho
>You should only take advice from professionals active in your chosen field
>Perspective is very easy and does not need sustained practice like figure drawing or painting does
>Drawing from imagination needs to be the bulk of your drawing, from day 1.
>Studies should be all done from reference. You can't learn without taking in outside ifnormation.
>You don't need much theory to draw. 1 or 2 books, for fundies knowledge, is enough. The rest is practice
>You don't need to know the entire skeleton. You just need the basic shapes found in morpho, and the muscles / landmarks in Hogarth
>Head drawing is mostly symbol drawing, the Loomis method is just there to guide you in understanding the symbols
>The only bone you NEED is the skull. The rest can be simplified.
>95% of beginner's problems are problems with proportions. The answer to this is learning to copy your reference accurately.

Post what you learned recently

[Anonymous No.6651108]

>drawing is a dangerous career

[Anonymous No.6651114]

>the only reason to draw is drawing hot women and goku going super saiyan, "artistic merit" is a lie

[Anonymous No.6651119]

>When being asked to PYW you should PYW
>win or lose its important to own your own art
>people who post merc_wip are big gay

[Anonymous No.6651135]

>>6651097
>most people on ic are so clueless that their opinions are almost as worthless as nodraws
>successful artists who lurk here and sometimes post advice without showing work all get shit on
>drawing 8 hours a day is only productive if its all thoughtful drawing, not grinding
>people on /ic/ and twitter have awful taste in pretty much everything
>most art education videos on youtube are crabs and people trying to jew you into buying a course/patreon, if they ever have good info it’s incomplete and/or the person sucks at communicating
>simplicity rules
>all the best artists have awful taste and are wasting their skill on dogshit

[Anonymous No.6651136]

>>6651114
spic-sama...

[Anonymous No.6651137]

>You will never make it.

[Anonymous No.6651147]

>>6651119
PYWing is pointless because it's easy to get art from (REDACTED)'s [DATA EXPUNGED] and get a picture of someone else's work that literally cannot be traced back to them.

[Anonymous No.6651155]

>watch sinix
there you go fellas

[Anonymous No.6651193]

>>6651155
Sinix' videos on tempo and painting asses saved my life.

[Anonymous No.6651210]

>>6651119
what if I drew my own merc_wip?

[Anonymous No.6651249]

>redpills
Drawing isn't worth it unless you've been drawing since childhood.

[Anonymous No.6651286]

>>6651155
early-mid 2010s sinix is kino. his new style is weird, like a mix of tumblr sjw and twitter femcoomer art. the old graffiti inspired ashley wood david choe looking stuff was a lot better.

[Anonymous No.6651292]

>>6651097
>>You should only take advice from professionals active in your chosen field
then follow your own advice and shut the fuck up you massive faggot

almost all you typed is complete BS, are you trying to bait or what?

[Anonymous No.6651296]

No one in this forum is actually pursuing art. You're all literally just weird art wannabees who'd rather talk than draw.

[Anonymous No.6651306]

>>6651097
>all drawing is symbol drawing
It shouldnt be if your aren't completely new.

>beginners should start with copying cartoon
No you start by drawing. Anything.

>Master copies are more productive than life drawing
No. Both are useful. Pay attention to your teacher more.

>Coordination exercises are a waste of time

>Construction is best learned by copying Morpho
Hopefully you'd use your brain a little as well.

>You should only take advice from professionals active in your chosen field
You must be new.

>Perspective is very easy and does not need sustained practice like figure drawing or painting does
You are new.

>Drawing from imagination needs to be the bulk of your drawing, from day 1.
Please, please no one listen to this.

>Studies should be all done from reference. You can't learn without taking in outside ifnormation.
You literally just contradicted yourself.

> You don't need much theory to draw. 1 or 2 books, for fundies knowledge, is enough. The rest is practice
Weird one. Yes you can draw with or without books.

>You don't need to know the entire skeleton. You just need the basic shapes found in morpho, and the muscles / landmarks in Hogarth
This is a limited perspective.

> Head drawing is mostly symbol drawing, the Loomis method is just there to guide you in understanding the symbols
You are new.

>The only bone you NEED is the skull. The rest can be simplified.
This behavior will limit your potential severely.

>95% of beginner's problems are problems with proportions. The answer to this is learning to copy your reference accurately.

There's a hell of a lot more to art than just drawing figures, anon.

[Anonymous No.6651310]

>>6651296
visit a general

[Anonymous No.6651359]

>>6651097
>do anything else but become an artist, it's a curse

[Anonymous No.6651388]

>>6651135
I believe everything this Anon posted

[Anonymous No.6651406]

>>6651135
>everyone else except me doesn't know shit

[Anonymous No.6651422]

>>6651306
Good countersrguments. There’s a reason I listed those. Several years ago, when I was a beginner, I used to think like you. Now I know those popular opinions are all wrong

[Anonymous No.6651429]

>>6651422
Lol

[Anonymous No.6651431]

>>6651135
truly the only accurate post.

[Anonymous No.6651436]

>>6651097
/ic/ Americans will always complain. Almost everything you need is in OP

[Anonymous No.6651449]

>>6651097
>>95% of beginner's problems are...
>>beginners should start...
>>You should only take advice from professionals...

Op go ahead and post your credentials then

[Anonymous No.6651458]

>>6651422
>when I was a beginner
anon... you took a wrong turn somewhere, now you are a permabeg. sorry for your loss, move on.

[Anonymous No.6651470]

>>6651114
I KNEEL

[Anonymous No.6651583]

-Everything has corners

-Everything is a mirror

-Style is a foolish pursuit, just do your best, remark what's important to you and eventually people will recognize your work.

[Anonymous No.6651590]

>>6651097
Post work.

[Anonymous No.6651596]

>>6651590
okay, you got me with that image

[Anonymous No.6651670]

>>6651097
just pick up a book/course and draw, shrimple as that

[Anonymous No.6651801]

>>6651596
fucking hang yourself

[Anonymous No.6651970]

>>6651596
Nice sketch

[Anonymous No.6652065]

>>6651970
nice my ass, he should fucking hang himself

[Anonymous No.6652072]

>>6651590
>>6651801
Where’s your work, schizo?

[Anonymous No.6652074]

>>6652065
Those tits hang so nice tho.... hhhnnghhhh

[Anonymous No.6652081]

>>6651119
The reason why you don't PYW on here, is because you don't want to associate with 4chan nowadays, since you have to work on Social Media, where purity tests are a constant trial.
It has no benefit either, because generally speaking, people here don't want genuine advice or constructive confrontation, but just to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.6652084]

>>6652081
Oh, it doesn’t matter, because I’m learning Japanese and will be working in the Japanese manga or anime industry in the future. Nothing from 4chan will ever affect me there :)

[Anonymous No.6652087]

>>6652081
I doubt you have more than 5k followers and if you do, its probably because you draw coom therefore your audience wouldnt care if you posted on /ic/

Most of you are just underaged children who are scared that your friends will know you are a dick. If you weren’t so retarded you would have make art for friends and family separate from what you want to post online.

You post your work on ic because it is fun, and it makes you part of the community.

[Anonymous No.6652092]

>>6651097
pyw and i'll compare it to leonardo da vinci's who said the complete opposite of almost everything you said. then i'll make my decision on which artist i'd like to be more like

[Anonymous No.6652094]

>>6652087
>you draw coom therefore your audience wouldnt care if you posted on /ic/
A lot of coom consumers are ex-Tumblr people with a transflag and pronouns in their bio.
Probably the majority.

>Most of you are just underaged children who are scared that your friends
I have no friends.

>You post your work on ic because it is fun, and it makes you part of the community.
As long as it didn't impact your way of making a modest but comfy living, yes, it could be.
Besides, the key factor in using Chan-Style imageboards is anonymity, PYW goes against that principle.

[Anonymous No.6652103]

>>6652081
>PYW
>There's my work on picrel fag, now pyw

Tin foil hatting makes no sense anymore. Any artist can be "associated" with Le'4chan, so wat? There's a new paradigm, NO ONE CARES. It's hard to grasp, but, it's there in our faces. Of course smearing-hate-cancelling campaigns are something real, but it's as much real and harmful as the victim allows it to be.
On the other hand, Stirring made up shit has been a long time old trick used in showbusiness to position one self in the scene, it doesn't matter how bad the rumours are, the goal of being "known" is what matters.
"Oh, someone used my work in an anonymous board and added dicks and nipple penises all over it, DUH, they do that all the time..."
I see lot's of people here scared to dead to ptw, and you can tell they really need it, to vent their frustration, and ask for help, and yet they refrain to do it because of some boogeyman shit. That sucks, and that's why this board is so resentful, people need to ptw, and free themselves from guilt, and fear.

[Anonymous No.6652108]

>Study stem.

[Anonymous No.6652118]

>>6652103
>There's a new paradigm, NO ONE CARES.
What makes you say this? People are losing a significant number of followers just because they paid for the Twitter Blue Checkmark thing, which is insignificant compared to 4chan's reputation.
I've been on this site for more than a decade at this point (i don't remember, but i think i started lurking around 2007 or 2008) and it certainly doesn't feel as the edgy but fun "asshole of the internet" anymore, but just another piece in America's absurd culture war shit, especially in the last 10 years.

Very nice drawing, btw.

[Anonymous No.6652131]

>>6652118
You said it right there. Be honest and tellme if the "normie" scene hasn't catch up with 4chan's "reputation". I have been lurking here around the same time as you, and I saw how new platforms and social media broke the limits time and time again further and further. I have seen shit on wassap on the same level and beyond's 4chan'tier territory, happening in family and job groups. People are shit out there, as much as here, or worst.

[Anonymous No.6652134]

>>6652081
>purity tests
not him, but it's more that I don't want to say out loud "I hang around in a place where people masturbates to lolishark, and think that getting pissed on really is but a small kink"

[Anonymous No.6652230]

>>6651135
>you need to separate the good opinions from the bad and only you can really be the judge of that for what you're trying to achieve
>this is true mostly but i think that shouldn't discourage people from giving genuine advice because there will be anons lurking that will learn from and appreciate it
>this is true. be more specific about your goals and be thoughtful about what you want to be learning and when to move on
>again, learning how to focus on the right thread or artists you follow for inspiration is a good mindset to learn
>it doesn't matter if the youtuber is a huge shill for their sources of income or not, if you find an artist you like and their teachings click with you, then they're worth supporting. art is really broad so it's on you to find the method that gets you drawing
>simplicity is after you've learned your fundamentals and know how to apply that simplicity in an informed and appealing way afterwards
>being negative all the time about everyone won't get you anywhere in the future. artists are your peers, /beg/ to /pro/

[Anonymous No.6652262]

>>6652081
>it has no benefit
This is the only reason why you should never post your work.

[Anonymous No.6652269]

>>6652081
>purity tests are a constant trial
show me a single artist who was "purity tested" and shunned for posting art on 4chan in response to a "pyw". you can't? rethink your position.

[Anonymous No.6652301]

>>6652269
I mean, no one so far, but tat doesn't mean it can't happen, right? Everybody knows of 4chan as that place where Nazis and Racists plan white supremacist riots

[Anonymous No.6652336]

>>6652301
but nobody can prove it was you who posted it can they?

[Anonymous No.6652345]

>>6652336
NTA. If you're some beglet yeah. But if you're somewhere in the int and above category and your style is pretty recognizable it'll be hard to refute. Not that i'm saying there's been incidents of people digging up archives of someone on /ic/ to use as a smear campaign. But the possibility of that happening isn't zero.

[Anonymous No.6652349]

mods should enable trips on ic

[Anonymous No.6652364]

Appeal beats technical skill every time.

>inb4 pedantic anons saying appeal is a technical skill

[Anonymous No.6652368]

>>6652345
>hard to refute.
"a jealous loser took it from my discord"
easy

[Anonymous No.6652513]

>>6652364
Is it not?

[Anonymous No.6652529]

>>6651286
Style aside, as well as his weird ass personality and beliefs.
He’s a top tier artist
>started in his 20s
>was a professional in the industry for a brief period of time before realizing it just isn’t for him
>all his skills are pure fundies with almost no fuckery or shortcuts
>uses extremely basic toolsets
>teaches pure fundies and gets straight to the point without any bullshit
I love his teaching style more than anything. Extremely minimal toolsets and just pure knowledge, no pretending he’s god, no shilling of the latest tools. Just pure artistic skill and knowledge.

Just wish he wasn’t such a fucking weirdo, I’m waiting for the sex pest allegations any day now

[Anonymous No.6652574]

>>6652529
what??? can you tell me more about him being a weirdo, how have i never heard of this

[Anonymous No.6652580]

>>6652230
you just killed the soul of that old drawing

[Anonymous No.6652591]

>>6652084
You better be working your ass off to act smug. You picked the hardest art path IMO.

[Anonymous No.6652598]

Here's my 2 cents.

>what you said about perspective literally couldn't be more wrong, NOTHING will make you improve at art more than perspective practice, specially for beginners
>drawing high in any kind of way is a delusional way of working. You're wasting your time
>Copying linework and studying manga/anime isn't going to work unless you watch the entire process, and attempt to simulate it
>understanding "flow" and "feeling" the shape are downright philosophical endevours that will only be understood by picking reality apart
>if you're not obsessed, you won't make it past /int/ levels
>you should always, ALWAYS be your harshest critic
>but also recognizing your level and skill is incredibly important, you must separate yourself from ego
>advice may come from anyone, and the only way to know if you should take the advice is by looking at their art (if you don't get a good redline in /ic/, just don't listen to them)
>humility is always appreciated by artists, this is an universal rule
>if something is obviously wrong in your drawing, you shouldn't ask for help online, you should pick up a book and look it up first
>colors might be most important skill once fundamentals are decently understood
>Never Give Up, even with AI, as long as you pour soul and style into your art, you'll have audience

And most importantly of all
>Dicipline beats talent 9 times out of 10

[Anonymous No.6652599]

>>6652230
soulless

[Anonymous No.6652604]

>>6652230
Don't let those fags bring you down, you clearly have a grasp on fundamental skills and simply made a quick exercise.

[Anonymous No.6652610]

>>6652598
opie here. I agree with your takes. I suppose we have different definitions of perspective. I think for mom drawing is VERY important, and boxes should be grinder as infinitude. I just don’t like seeing beginners spend months plotting 1 point and 2 point buildings endlessly, instead of working on their freehand box drawing skills or figure drawing. That will give them a good intuitive sense of perspective, and they will automatically space the vanishing points out properly, and will give their buildings proper proportion.

As for the copying thing, you’re right. Although copying can be learned through brute force, it’s easier if people are given guidance. I think asg has that stuff covered in their op

[Anonymous No.6652612]

>>6652610
*form drawing
*grinded ad Infinitum
fucking phoneposting

[Anonymous No.6652631]

>>6652604
nobody is saying that he's bad a drawing, fag

[Anonymous No.6652634]

>>6652631
Spouting meme buzzwords in an effort to discredit someone is pretty cringe, PYW, critique or stfu

[Anonymous No.6652638]

>>6652604
Yeah! I love the original art and Azumanga, I just thought it'd be a fun exercise because of the angle. I hope people here don't get too discouraged by all the shitflinging npcs yelling about "soul" and "ngmi", just figure out what resources to get from here and have fun helping an anon or two. I've only been lurking here for a couple of years but i've learned a lot since then and steadily improving myself. As well as giving back with some pieces of advice and buying brushes to share once in a while. This place is only as bad as people make it out to be in their mind.

[Anonymous No.6652643]

>>6652634
failing to understand "buzzwords" is pretty cringe fr fr ong, he is good at drawing but has to work in his appeal, retard

[Anonymous No.6652644]

>>6652643
It's a fucking exercise he did whilst browing /ic/, if you drew more you'd probably have a few of your own

[Anonymous No.6652647]

>>6652644
>critique or pyw
>i give a critique
>i-it's just an exercise i did while browsing 4chan, p-pyw!
Yeah, work in your appeal retard, copy more artists

[Anonymous No.6652664]

>>6652081
anon this site is pretty mainstream. One of the most active online. I've made references to posting here and never had an issue despite having a pretty clean social media

[Anonymous No.6652712]

>>6652664
> One of the most active online.
Yet you can’t make a living through here, kek

[Anonymous No.6652715]

>>6652638
Based anon, thanks for your contribution to enlighten the shadows of darkness

[Anonymous No.6652758]

>>6652712
not every site has to be about making money. that's why i'm here. i don't want some faggot to sell me something.

[Anonymous No.6652796]

>>6652574
It’s nothing specific but if you just watch his more casual videos or his streams, there’s just a weird “hello fellow kiddos!” Vibe about him that just feels off.

[Anonymous No.6652893]

>>6652647
>i give a critique
>calling that low effort crap critique
Man, I don't even need to see your drawings

[Anonymous No.6653192]

>>6652893
Ok

[Anonymous No.6653350]

>>6651114
Yes

[Anonymous No.6655116]

>drawing porn will get you money but not respect
>not drawing porn will get you respect but not money

[Anonymous No.6655206]

>>6655116
>respect
>artist
pick one.
your average normie parent would prefer you to be an average no-name urologist with a six figure salary driving a beemer with some air-headed blond trophy wife, 2.3 kids, and an overpriced 3 bedroom house in the city rather than being the greatest artist currently alive.
>kim jung ghey?
never heard of her
>layondickher?
is that some kind of sex act anon?
>norman rockwell
is that the guy who drew coca-cola adverts or something? i hope you get a real job anon not like that loser lmao!

i was so self conscious about my drawing but then i realized that to the average normie drawing a cube in perspective is equivalent to witchcraft. kim jung yi (god rest his soul) could have walked into any store in america and I guarantee you nobody would have recognized him. some hollywood whore walks into a starbucks and it makes the fucking nightly news. seriously the encyclopedic knowledge normies have about hollywood/music celebs is fucking unnerving. nobody gives a fuck about visual art except for people "in the know" i.e. mostly other artists. you could draw the most deranged loli shota gore porn imaginable and post your face online and you could go about your daily life without ever being recognized. even the people who follow your work only care about your work, not you. you aren't some fucking rockstar or whore hollywood singer. draw what the fuck ever you want; it's not like you are at risk of getting a job at disney because you are [white] and [male].
nobody cares about (you).

[Anonymous No.6655214]

>>6655206
You know what, nobody knows who the best fucking urologist is in the world either. But good urology saves lives, and is a deep craft on it's own.

Just be content with your own work. Don't seethe over the respect you think you deserve, but don't receive

[Anonymous No.6655267]

>>6655214
not my point at all.
i said AVERAGE urologist vs best artist currently alive.

best urologist alive already wins because
>my son is a harvard graduate doctor
vs
>my son has a bs from risd and some loser nobody artists venerate him as a god

when did i say that urology doesn't save lives? every major city has dozens of them. there are only a handful of noteworthy artists alive at any given time. anyone with above 100 iq can become a decent md; good artists are rare, great artists are fairies and leprechauns. if your goal is to get respect one path is infinitely more realistic and easier than the other. you can't argue that.

[Anonymous No.6655289]

>Art is a gigantic and diverse hobby that people enjoy in different ways and you can see through the internet alone that not everyone is going to fit into what you think art should be about
>create what you want before creating things just to please other people
>dont try to improve just for other people's approval, take a step back and remember why you started in the first place if you're starting to feel down because of other people's opinions, and just focus on making your work appealing and only applying the technical knowledge where it matters
>dont force yourself to fit into a community if what you want to create is at odds with what the community enjoys
>i guarantee that as long as you get closer to your initial goals, the people who would appreciate your work will find you
>There are no AIniggers that aren't vapid cunts

[Anonymous No.6655313]

>>6652081
I don't mind being associated with 4chan. I fear triggering some schizo.

[Anonymous No.6655353]

>>6651097
Unpopular opinion: there's a performance aspect of quick sketch/gesture drawing that seems to provide little transferable skills to other subjects. Even someone like Jeff Watts that has spent decades teaching and practicing it gets super rusty if he doesn't practice it for hours every day.

[Anonymous No.6655736]

Faking perspective is easy if you have seen enough references

[Anonymous No.6656864]

if you dont copy bridgeman twice ngmi

[Anonymous No.6656920]

>>6651097
How about you stick to these redpills

[Anonymous No.6657234]

>>6651135
This only applies if the one saying it is actually good, so PYW.

[Anonymous No.6657253]

>>6655267
12 year old levels of logic

[Anonymous No.6657261]

>>6656864
if only he copied Bridgman twice...

[Anonymous No.6657511]

>>6656864
morpho > bridgman

[Anonymous No.6657583]

>>6657511
Hamm > Morpho

[Anonymous No.6657630]

>>6655353
>there's a performance aspect of quick sketch/gesture drawing that seems to provide little transferable skills to other subjects
to an extent, speed does matter. even if not for productions sake everyone only has so much of an attention span. being able to draw out entire backgrounds and mob characters quickly and without too much effort means you can be much more ambitious in your projects.
when it takes you 3 hours to draw a background character, making a scene with hundreds of people would be hell for basically no reward.

[Anonymous No.6657634]

>>6651097
>drawing from imagination...day 1
I tried this. It was a waste of time.
This was the shit I was producing after litteral months of construction from imagination as beg...

[Anonymous No.6657638]

>>6657634
And here's what I got after switching to photos for like a week.

[Anonymous No.6657639]

>>6657634
>>6657638
And a bit later, my point is it's the opposite. References from day one. It's how you learn.

[Anonymous No.6657660]

>>6657634
>>6657638
>>6657639
You were supposed to do studies from day 1 too. Just, many people skip out on imagination work from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.6657679]

>>6651097
AI art is still art.
I have finally accepted it, so should you /ic/.

[Anonymous No.6657686]

>>6657679
>transwomen are still women
no

[Anonymous No.6657713]

>>6657634
>months
it takes years to git gud anon.
also you're not proving anything by posting /beg/ garbage. >>6657639
>>6657638

[Anonymous No.6658503]

>>6657713
Op? Or are you butthurt for a different reason?
>beg
That's literally the point, goober.

[Anonymous No.6658594]

>>6658503
I almost want to say it's prebeg but at least you are trying

[Anonymous No.6658605]

>>6658503
That's not butthurt.
someone posting "months" of practice as if that means anything is laughable, especially when they post equally bad "referenced" drawings.

Don't get on a high horse and start lecturing people how to draw when you still can't even copy a reference.

[Anonymous No.6658621]

Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.
- Ira Glass

[Anonymous No.6658625]

>>6651193
What?

[Anonymous No.6658631]

>>6658621
>Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story.
Interestingly, I never hear this part quoted, and it’s the most practically helpful part of his advice. Fuck those stupid ass YouTube video essay faggots for omitting this

[Anonymous No.6658639]

>>6658605
>you can't copy a reference
Based on what?
Looks pretty close to me.
>your bullshit criticism
Anon, you said months are nothing and now you hold me to a standard?
>high horse
Don't give the game away, Wilbur.

[Anonymous No.6658640]

>>6658639
>looks close to me
Lol
You should start namefagging

[Anonymous No.6658666]

>>6658621
Love this quote

[Anonymous No.6658673]

>>6658639
keep your bullshit out of this thread you stupid fuck

[Anonymous No.6658677]

>>6658621
who is this irish bloatlord i keep seeing which artist/character is this

[Anonymous No.6658689]

>>6658640
>>6658673
Ride my dick harder.

[Anonymous No.6658694]

>>6658677
/ic/-tan you fucking newfag.

[Anonymous No.6658705]

>>6657634
What a massacre...

[Anonymous No.6658712]

>>6658705
My point was that brute forcing skill by following construction methods without practicing on reference images is inefficient. I followed the methods. I understood the theory. Copying photos produces better results in less time.
I couldn't belive the difference myself.
As for the rest of what op said, I'm kinda ignoring it since he's wrong on this.

[Anonymous No.6658723]

>>6658712
>I followed the methods. I understood the theory. Copying photos produces better results in less time.
Is it even worth time refuting this? Should I be talking down at someone this new to art? I'm gonna do it anyways.

You didn't follow the theory. You didn't follow the methods. Because if you did, you would know that drawing from observation is the crux of everything. You were NEVER supposed to construct purely from imagination. You were NEVER supposed to just follow the "rules". How could you have gone months without knowing about figure drawing? How could you have gone months without copying out of an anatomy book? How could you go months without doing portraits, still lives, urban sketching, animal drawing? How could you go months without copying your favorite artists? How could you go months without at least copying the construction diagrams out of Loomis and Hampton?

Everything we do in art rests on observation. Saying that you followed the rules, yet did not draw from observation, is like saying you speak Japanese, but you don't know Kanji. You're as dumb as bricks, and nothing you say has any value to anyone. Leave /ic/ for a few years, and come back when you have some appreciable experience.

[Anonymous No.6658731]

>>6658712
You're not supposed to do construction before learning accuracy and perspective. You can't construct if you can't draw forms in perspective, and you can't draw forms in perspective if you can copy 2d shapes correctly (lines of correct length and angle in relation to each other).

[Anonymous No.6658733]

>>6657634
I see the next AoT

[Anonymous No.6658739]

>>6658712
You're not supposed to do construction before learning accuracy and perspective. You can't construct if you can't draw forms in perspective, and you can't draw forms in perspective if you can't draw 2d shapes correctly (lines of correct length and angle in relation to each other).

[Anonymous No.6658744]

>>6658723
You just typed all that to agree with me.
>how did you spend months etc.
Working 45+ hours/ week, have family, cooking, exercising, and during the time I could spare, studying videos on construction and anatomy.
I might mention I quit smoking and lost weight as well.
I did some drawings of what you might call landscapes.
You sound pretty over educated and under worked. You should ask yourself why you are so emotionally invested in this exchange. I was just using stupid op premise as an excuse to make a point and post some old drawings. This really seems to piss some people off.
I wonder why that is.

[Anonymous No.6658758]

>>6658621
>not learning about most artists you know only in college

[Anonymous No.6658771]

>>6658739
That was kind of my point, although I'm not exactly sure I agree with the phrase
>lines of correct length etc.
I feel like these are two separate skills. I was able fairly early on to do this. But knowing how to construct and more important, how to render the constructed form is quite another.
Perhaps you're phrasing it wrong.
Do you mean to say ", if you can't draw THE 2d shapes correctly IN THE CONSTRUCTION LINE" then that would make me sense.
>>6658733
I don't know who that is. Someone like esdeathfag? Please enlighten me. >>6658733

[Anonymous No.6659868]

>>6651596
Good proportions, nice perspective, moe face, lines are sketchy but show the form.
Nice.

[Anonymous No.6659875]

drawing bad is way more effort than drawing well. You spend hours redrawing and undoing and retrying just for it to get more and more stiff. While someone with skill quickly doodles something and its already finished.

[Anonymous No.6660039]

>>6651097
>brainlet meets his first plateau and thinks he’s found universal truths

[Anonymous No.6661148]

>>6651097
>You should only take advice from professionals active in your chosen field
there's good spirit behind this but it should actually be
>You should only take advice from people whose art you want to emulate and who you don't expect to give you bad advice on purpose

>Head drawing is mostly symbol drawing
But you already said that
>all drawing is symbol drawing
Which is true but there's no need to say it twice

[Anonymous No.6661175]

>>6651114
>https://youtu.be/1EKTw50Uf8M

[Anonymous No.6661207]

>>6651097
The most important thing for a beginner to learn is to love art. Many people get into art because they have an idea in their head, whether that be a comic or a picture, but they go in hating art. They only see it as a vehicle to reach their goal. Its this mindset that breeds the "grind the fundies" people, they hate art, they only want the result. The most important goal for a beginner to ascertain is a love for art so they dont become a fundies bro.

[Anonymous No.6663056]

Just draw.

[Anonymous No.6664011]

>>6657634
>>6657638
>>6657639
these all look about the same idk

>>6658712
i think op means you still do study, but you reinforce with imagination drawing. it's similar to how the sticky recommends doing memory drawing in addition to copies. it's the same idea basically, and i agree with op for like 75% of the points.

[Anonymous No.6664289]

>>6664011
Here, better contrast.

Also, I haven't done shit since starting that last sketch Thursday. Tired yesterday and stupid work meeting today. I should finish it, but I'm legitimately so tired.
I guess it's a lot different when you're an older hobbyist with a full time job than a young man with ambitions of being professional.
The only good thing about it is that there's no pressure beyond what I set. I can put it down indefinitely if I need to without anxiety, just the price of decayed perishable skill.

[Anonymous No.6664503]

>>6657261
So is he dead or something?

[Anonymous No.6665977]

deaw

[Anonymous No.6666304]

1. Breaks are very important, especially if you're a wageslave like me. Don't push yourself too hard.
2. If something doesn't click with you you can always try a different teacher or a different approach.
3. Don't blame yourself if something doesn't work, there's always another day and another drawing. You will do better next time.
4. Draw every day even if it's something simple like a few boxes. Be consistent.
5. Don't be afraid of new things but at the same time don't rush.

[Anonymous No.6668127]

>>6664289
>completely switch schools of art
>it's equally as bad as your prior one
NGMI is real, you are proof

[Anonymous No.6668128]

Liquify tool in photoshop and then trace it
Tracing is, realistically, the only way you will ever draw anything appealing
Other artists spend hundreds of thousands of dollars are prestigious schools
So forget it and just steal from them

[Anonymous No.6668249]

>>6652368
>>"a jealous loser took it from my discord"
This line is as credible as the "someone hacked my account" one, but regardless, it'd be hard to claim that if you want to explain in any kind of detail your artistic process and logic, possibly even posting original examples of rendering methods, lines or whatever else you may be discussing.
If you don't, then you're not interested in discussion or constructive critique, so why post in the first place?

[Anonymous No.6668261]

>>6661207
I wonder if this is related to starting to draw at a later stage (past your teens, let's say).
I started drawing as a little kid, like most people, and always loved the idea of telling stories with drawings, so it's been an organic process, since at 10 you're not really going crazy about emulating perfectly this or that artist.
Maybe people who start later on, have their heads filled with expectations and it fucks them over.
(pic unrelated)

[Anonymous No.6668266]

>>6651097
I agree with your point about perspective being easy. It’s easy to learn but hard to apply consistently

[Anonymous No.6668311]

>>6668127
>Ngmi
Lol I have a day job and own a home. Have fun in your fantasy world when the lights go out.

[Anonymous No.6668314]

>>6668249
>from my discord
is way way more credible than "hacks", why would you say that?

if you've been nice and posted helpful examples, and you are called out, it shows you being kind, so... you don't really lose in this scenario. just say you read about the good samaritan and wanted to help other outside your tribe or something.

[Anonymous No.6668328]

>>6668311
What a sad pathetic post. Does your wife know you yell at retards online?

[Anonymous No.6668372]

>>6668328
Rent free, janny.

[Anonymous No.6668522]

hard work >>> talent

[Anonymous No.6668665]

apprenticing is probably the best way to learn but it's basically impossible to find

[Anonymous No.6669754]

The ability to draw is genetic. Would you trust a sub-saharan nigger with a 70 IQ with anything important, like engineering parts of a space shuttle? Of course not. The same is true of art. If you cannot accept this fundamental truth you are NGMI, permabeg, etc.

Moving beyond that fundamental truth, we must also accept that like Plato's cave a majority of people are not sapient. They cannot escape the delusion. Thus a majority of people cannot draw. Read into this cave to understand why. If you cannot accept this fundamental truth you are NGMI, permabeg, etc.

Once someone "passes" those fundamentals (I would estimate less than 10% of all humans truly can), those chosen rare few must then practice for years. There are probably close to 50 techniques to master in total in order to be competent at art. At the same time there are many bad schools or techniques... so it's possible to waste all of that time. All of these bad techniques will endorse themselves just as much as the good ones, and there is no guide to discerning them. The average great artist will spend anywhere from 10 - 18 years falling into these traps, recognizing they are traps and then seeking out the truth. Of these searching artists, at best 50% will escape those traps.

So in summary
>less than 10% of the human population has the base IQ required to grasp the abstract ideas drawing dictates
>less than 10% of that small group are truly alive per Plato's definitive observations of human intellect
>50% of that 10% of that 10% will fail outright because they cannot discern nor escape traps that build rotten technique and poison artistic ability irreversibly

If you can make it past all of the above you may indulge in the opportunity to have furries shove thousands of dollars into your face to draw a lime-green zebra shitting into a monkey's mouth. Of course with a decade-long recession, financial collapse, food crisis, etc. on the horizon this may mean nothing in the end.

Good luck!

[Anonymous No.6669899]

>>6669754
how do I know if I'm too retarded to draw, I really struggle with some concepts and feel like a braindead niggers sometimes.

[Anonymous No.6669987]

>>6669754
this reads like a stupid manga intro.

[Anonymous No.6670024]

>>6664289
Keep drawing

[Anonymous No.6670263]

>>6669754
shut up nigger

[Anonymous No.6671025]

>>6658621
Thank you for the advice, man.

[Anonymous No.6671218]

>>6670024
Thank you, I have been.
>>6671213 advice welcome.

[Anonymous No.6671307]

>>6652301
Even fucking Proko has mentioned 4chan and /ic/ by name, 4chan might be controversial for the mainstream but on a niche hobby like art nobody would care

[Anonymous No.6671308]

>>6671307
He dodged that by saying one of his employees brought it to him

[Anonymous No.6671314]

>>6671308
My point still stands, drawing is a niche hobby, and most people who both participate on it and are constantly online are most likely aware of /ic and know it's harmless

[Anonymous No.6671815]

>finished work is more important than studying if you want to actually improve

[Anonymous No.6672795]

>>6671815
You sure? /Beg/ tells me I have to draw tons of figures and I shouldn't finish anything.