/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6648165]

Why is Tatsuki Fujimoto considered a bad artist by plenty of people? Yeah sometimes it can look sloppy but considering he works on a weekly deadline it's understandable

[Anonymous No.6648170]

>>6648165
A lot of the people here don't understand working under tight time constraints and the sacrifices you must make to meet those deadlines.

They will point at a messy panel and think their criticism means anything but in reality it's the reason why they don't have a completed project done by now.

[Anonymous No.6648173]

>>6648165
Crabs.
They aren't exclusive to /ic/.

[Anonymous No.6648179]

>>6648170
Those anons don't seem to understand that if every single last panel was as polished as their favorite animu grill #4857274 floating in a void, their favorite manga would take possibly 3 times as long to get out if not more.

[Anonymous No.6648258]

>>6648179
Exactly. It most likely also just wouldn't get done as supporting yourself on such a low output would be extremely challenging. Having worked on multiple larger projects myself there is much wisdom in the phrase "finished not perfect".

[Anonymous No.6648277]

>>6648165
Besides he's more of a painter, he has a degree in traditional art and oil painting or something, and you can notice, his drawings are stiff as fuck, but his composition is master class.

[Anonymous No.6648300]

>>6648165
>he works on a weekly deadline it's understandable
Spend a minute figuring out how stupid of an excuse this is so that you will never bring it up again unless you enjoy looking stupid.

[Anonymous No.6648302]

>>6648165
People think sloppy = bad. They're all exclusively nonartists, who think this way too.

Also
>>6648170
>>6648173
>>6648179
>>6648258

>>6648277
sometimes, I feel like the stiffness is a stylistic choice. He was not stiff at all in the first chapters of CSM, but it got more stiff and awkward over time, like he liked the look

[Anonymous No.6648809]

>>6648165
Popular artist = contrarians flock to shitpost any thread pertaining to them
He could be the best artist on earth and anons will still find something to nitpick and doompost about to declare them "shit and overrated".

[Anonymous No.6649073]

>>6648165
because he's popular, but if he were an /ic/ poster he would be hailed as our schizophrenic jesus

[Anonymous No.6649081]

>>6648165
This is some battle shounen about a guy who turns into a chainsaw and the rest of the cast are generic harem palette-swaps? I'm not sure any amount of quality paneling or linework is going to save that from being called shit. And if the art is wonky it should have some other charm to carry the weight, like Hellsing or something.

[Anonymous No.6649086]

>>6648170
>They will point at a messy panel and think their criticism means anything but in reality it's the reason why they don't have a completed project done by now.
Yeah, this is typically the mindset of the eternal sketcher. They'll scribble down countless ideas, go to finish them, get caught up in endless refinements and corrections, get burnt out, and move on to the next 100 sketches with the last "to be finished" piece forever stuck at 60% completion.

[Anonymous No.6649095]

>>6648170
not disparaging fujimotos work but this argument falls apart when Dandadan, a manga drawn by fujimotos own former assistant, is serialized in the same magazine and routinely has spreads like this

i think fujimoto just straight up doesn't really care. people like his stories, as long as he can convey that i don't think it matters to him. he did get much better at drawing faces though

[Anonymous No.6649103]

>>6649095
People have differing levels of assistants and helpers too.

[Anonymous No.6649131]

>>6648165
>considering he works on a weekly deadline it's understandable
NEVEREVER SKIP FIGURE DRAWING
and fundies
min 7:40
https://youtu.be/8W2m7fW5j5k?t=460

once you become pro there's no time to improve

[Anonymous No.6649188]

>>6648165
>>6648170
>muh deadline
>dandadan exists
He's lazy

[Anonymous No.6649351]

>>6649188
Why can't you draw like this?

[Anonymous No.6649450]

>>6649188
>>6649351
In fact, why can't everyone draw like this?
The Dandandan guy is just an exceptionally skilled artist, far beyond the average skill level of his peers an unrealistic point of comparison. You may as well be asking why everybody isn't drawing like Morita Masanori or Takehiko Inoue. It's because that's exceptionally difficult and not everyone can do that, especially when it's not even the priority in comics.

[Anonymous No.6649469]

>>6649188
People like Tatsu are rare and the guy literally has 10+ years working as an assistant/pro-assistant, drawing things in perspective and fast is the guy's forté. He also falls into the "ex-assitant" pitfall of having wonkier characters (in this case, same-face syndrome and stiff expressions). Fujimoto's strengths lie in different areas such as style, character design/costuming, and value/shape design. In fact Fire Punch/much of Chainsawman was a perfect team up of Tatsu and Fujimoto and both of their weaknesses are more apparent now that they're not working together.

[Anonymous No.6649486]

>>6649469
good post

[Anonymous No.6649490]

>>6649351
I don't believe in my art. I'm always second guessing myself and trying to make sure I check all the fundies boxes instead of having fun putting the lines on the paper. I can't even comprehend whats happening in this picture either because its like 5 characters all using different super powers at the same time. You have to have a world you like and think is cool and not cringe in order to draw a fight like this with any genuine passion. I'm stuck drawing people standing for a mugshot because I hate myself and any ideas I come up with.
That's why I can't draw like this.

[Anonymous No.6649510]

>>6649095
It cant be helped. Some people are just better than u at certain things. But art is not all u need in the manga industry.

[Anonymous No.6649586]

>>6649450
>>6649469
damn actually well informed and decent observation...wtf are you doing here, go away before this place rots ur brain!

[Anonymous No.6649593]

>>6648170
Nigga compare CSM to other weekly manga and you'll quickly realize that CSM gets mugged by most of them when it comes to the art. Plus CSM isnt even weekly now, its bi.
Look dont get me wrong, I like Fujimotos wonky figures but even his one shots are full of jank

[Anonymous No.6649619]

>>6648277
lowkey i really like the stiffness.

[Anonymous No.6649670]

>>6649593
bis are just closeted monthlies

[Anonymous No.6649675]

>>6649593
Zoomer gen manga are just abysmal in their quality, almost all of the top ones (i.e demon slayer, jjk, and csm) are made of chicken scratch lines and stiff poses. They're so use to the "well the anime will fix it/animated it better" that they just throw the laziest shit on the page and keep moving. This kind of art would've been axed hard during the 80s/90s and even the early 00s.

[Anonymous No.6649695]

>>6649675
this is the future you chose

[Anonymous No.6649699]

>>6649675
this is the type of shit you keep to yourself so people don't figure out that you're a complete fucking nooblet retard who's talking about 2 industries he knows nothing about.
plz go back to disappointing your parents irl.

[Anonymous No.6649701]

>>6649699
>t. Seething csmfag

[Anonymous No.6649731]

>>6649701
case in point.

[Anonymous No.6649739]

Fujimoto already admit in interviews that the only art class he took was an oil paint class and that he never learned perspective, figure drawing or any fundies properly.
he even mocked himself in his last one-shot(that guy is literally him)
also he never worked as a assistant

[Anonymous No.6649742]

>>6649739
>number one tip is "just draw"
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.6649743]

>>6649742
read the oneshot(the uncesored version) and you will understand

[Anonymous No.6649744]

>>6649675
>any manga
>lazy
You've never tried to make comics if you seriously believe that.

[Anonymous No.6649747]

>>6649744
Like all retarded dunning krugers.

[Anonymous No.6649748]

>>6649743
I did. Thinking back, the girl ended up not improving that much so I guess just drawi ng really isn't all that great

[Anonymous No.6649750]

>>6649748
read again
I had to read 4x to understand what he really meant by "just draw"