I finally realized what's the core problem of faux anime

[Anonymous No.6643725]

This art style is mainly a problem when the character designers are using western values as to what their characters should look like. Like the dyke cut girls in the top right and bottom left, stuff that clashes with the anime-leaning look and the obvious influence some of them wear on their sleeves. It's mainly just an action cartoon look but some go too close to anime bullshit and it just doesn't work when you're trying to make a "correct for US demographics" take on anime.

[Anonymous No.6643739]

you're a retard

[Anonymous No.6643743]

>>6643739
fpbp. op btfo

[Anonymous No.6643745]

>>6643739
>Sees a thread about faux anime
>posts a picture from an anime made by a japanese animation studio with character designs who were also created by japs
are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.6643751]

>>6643745
Read OP's hypothesis, retarded subhuman

[Anonymous No.6643752]

>>6643745
> it just doesn't work when you're trying to make a "correct for US demographics" take on anime
read good damn

[Anonymous No.6643754]

You're thinking too hard about this. You'd be surprised what a little line weight variation and more dynamic lines in general would do for these art styles - it's why the "on model" fan art blows the actual art out of the water so often.

[Anonymous No.6643762]

>>6643739
Anon, Cyperpunk Edgerunners is a legit anime created by a Japanese studio.

[Anonymous No.6643766]

>>6643745
Funny because the MC with that cut is also the only one designed by a western artist and not by Trigger themselves I think.

[Anonymous No.6643771]

>>6643751
>>6643752
in what world does edgerunner feel like faux anime that is trying to make a "correct for US demographics" take on anime??
It's as anime as it gets aside from the western writing structure.
Even the fucking dyke and nigger in edgerunner don't feel forced like in faux anime.
There's no clashing between the anime-look and the "western values" you fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.6643779]

>>6643725
Voltron was the only one that had decent designs, the rest were utter garbage

[Anonymous No.6643784]

>>6643725
Alot of the faux anime is animated by Koreans.

[Anonymous No.6643785]

>>6643725
If anyone's wondering:
The real reason is that Japan has a Culture of Cute.
Weebs would tell you that anime is a huge thing in Japan. But in truth, 95% of anime media revolve around children's shows which are bought by adults. This is not seen as creepy and in fact, it is seen as toe to toe with just an American guy collecting Transformer toys.

Cuteness is a big thing in Japan hence why every art design revolves around big rounded eyes, soft cheeks, and no chin. Line strokes are often thin and curving

On the other side of the world, USA's culture of individualism demands a culture that values strength, resilience, and masculinity. Hence why art styles have strong jagged lines, muscular structure, and a well-chiseled jawline for both male and female characters. Line strength consist of straight and thick lines

This is not to say that it would always be like that, though.
Given enough love and passion and cultural boundaries between artisans can be broken and create artworks that are nearly indistinguishable.

Like how Cowboy Bebop and Trigun are love letters to Western movies
Netflix Castlevania is evidence that the West is also getting there

The only difference is that Japan started copying the West since Mickey. West only started copying Japan now

[Anonymous No.6643789]

>>6643725
"non correct for US demographics" (wtf is that even supposed to mean, is it a new "MuH wOkE cUlTuRe" take)

Anyway show us your own anime stuff anon let's see how it compares, second hand after-thoughts and rationalizations means shit.

[Anonymous No.6643799]

>>6643771
>Even the fucking dyke and nigger in edgerunner don't feel forced like in faux anime
thats the fucking point. OP saw those as the reasons why faux anime sucks, so he is wrong because edgerunner can do it without being shit.

[Anonymous No.6643801]

>>6643725
Western people simply don't understand how the "anime art style" works and what its appeal is.
They just see big eyes, small noses, or sharp and edgy = anime.
They don't understand what to simplify, what to exaggerate, and what the japanese focus on the most when designing their characters and drawing in an "anime art style".
This misunderstanding of the "anime art style" creates these uncanny abominations that you see in the OP image.

In short, western artists have no fucking clue how appeal works.
They just shoehorn their identity politics into their "anime-inspired art style" and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.6643804]

>>6643799
That's because there's no western value within the design of the nigger and the dyke.
Funnily enough the dyke isn't even gay but straight in the anime.
No way in hell a westerner would've let that happen.

[Anonymous No.6643827]

I wish some of these threads would include examples of work from the op instead of being just the usual low hanging pol bait...

[Anonymous No.6643833]

>>6643789
Yes, it's literally current-decade crt marxist shit.
That's why woke stuff is shit, the propaganda component immediately makes its quality to plummet below the basement.
Not counting the fact that wokeism is responsible for diversity hires of idiots who can't act, write or draw to save their lives.

[Anonymous No.6643835]

>>6643725
There are maybe three good anime series any given year and three good western animations any given decade

[Anonymous No.6643853]

>>6643725
you fags spent more time arguing about east vs west shit than drawing in either style

[Anonymous No.6643887]

>>6643833
an actual mongoloid wrote this post...

[Anonymous No.6643896]

>>6643739
t. retard

[Anonymous No.6643897]

>>6643754
only good post here

[Anonymous No.6643898]

>>6643789
Unironically it’s a thing.
Game companies say it all the time when porting Asian games in
>we’re not censoring, just changing outfits and skin colors to better fit western culture
See lost ark and blue protocol for recent examples.

[Anonymous No.6643904]

>>6643725
>mainly a problem when the character designers are using western values as to what their characters should look like.
You are a shonenfag who's never watched anything besides fotm garbage.

[Anonymous No.6643913]

>>6643801
I think you’re over thinking. The abominations you see aren’t bad because of a lack of understanding, they’re bad solely because they’re shit at drawing.

A good example of misunderstanding anime is sinix when he tries to do anime (older example but he’s doing it on twitch this month too)
He’s a good artist and it still has appeal, but he fails at simplifying to anime standards. And it comes off as overly constructed and rendered.

But things like your pic is just /beg/s not being able to draw period.
But regardless anime isn’t that thought out or one collection of rules. It’s really just overall a standard set of minimalism combined with cuteness, outside of that pretty but anything goes.

[Anonymous No.6643939]

>>6643784
a lot of actual anime is outsourced to korean in betweeners being paid slave wages too

[Anonymous No.6643958]

>>6643739
Um... Studio Trigger is Japanese...

[Anonymous No.6643996]

>>6643958
and the show was pretty much done by japanese staff, including the character designs

[Anonymous No.6643998]

>>6643887
>cRt iSn'T a tHinG
Go step on a lego

[Anonymous No.6644008]

>>6643725
the problem with netflix anime is their family guy mise en scène

[Anonymous No.6644012]

>>6643725
i like this more than the other garbage the west puts out.
only disney makes movies with fuckable protagonists though.

[Anonymous No.6644042]

>>6643739
Edgerunner doesnt feel like it's made by westerners, nor made to target westerners. It feels more like what nips think of a 'western' animation

[Anonymous No.6644046]

>>6643939
tweeners dont get to dictate designs which what tranny faggots do with faux anime

[Anonymous No.6644048]

>>6644012
that movie was over a decade ago, disney today is doing nigers with cloacas

[Anonymous No.6644052]

>>6644048
meh, i still would.

and elsa and anna were both still top tier.

[Anonymous No.6644068]

>>6644052
ok zoomer

[Anonymous No.6644073]

>>6644068
its okay to admit your homosexuality.
>hurr you're supposed to be attracted to man faced whores who fucked all of greece

[Anonymous No.6644102]

>>6643785
Japan does cute shit so as not to rile any feathers after WWII. Thats it.

[Anonymous No.6644107]

>>6643739
Sad that half of the people in this thread can't even tell what point you're trying to make.

Even sadder that all of you niggers don't think this look like absolute dogshit.
Sure, the art is better, but the ugly designs still ruin it.

Drill that into your skulls: brown people look bad, it's simply how optics work. There's nowhere to run, 90% of designs will look like shit.

You have to sprinkle purple and blue everywhere to try to salvage their garbage contrast, maybe darken everyone else with shadows so it won't look off, but all you do is drag the entire show down.

Keep darkies to a minimum if you want a harmonic show and make it count when they show up, choosing the right lighting that emphasize them, instead of trying to make them blenda up with the normal characters.

[Anonymous No.6644110]

>>6644107
> brown people look bad
t.faggot

[Anonymous No.6644120]

>>6644107
another crt faggot pretending to be "right wing"

[Anonymous No.6644141]

>>6644120
I am not a CRT and you can shove your American politics up your ass.

[Anonymous No.6644163]

I think a better example would be the shit Leshean Thomas puts out, like Yasuke and Cannon Busters.

[Anonymous No.6644170]

>>6644141
And i thought only white people hate their own race, but shit skins too?

[Anonymous No.6644214]

>>6644141
>I am not a CRT
Yet you screech all the critical race theory bullshit.
No one believes your stupid strawman, commie, go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.6644293]

>>6643998
Who are you quoting?
>twitter uppercase-lowercase shenanigans
Nevermind, you are brown, go back to your shithole

[Anonymous No.6644295]

>>6644293
You first, woke

[Anonymous No.6644303]

I'm not reading this retarded thread. Here's the facts.
It's all about proportions and especially facial proportions. That's rule #1 for convincing anime. Rule #2 is when it's in motion it needs to be animated on a mishmash of 1's and 2's. Faux anime is only animated on straight 2's so it moves like shit. Westerners will take 8 frames to animate a punch while anime will use 4. The doubled time it takes for that western punch to land makes it feel stiff and with less impact. Rule #3 is warping the models. Faux anime always stays on model no matter what. Anime warps their models, taking extra effort and key frames to squash and stretch them when a force is animated to act on them.
Rules 2 and 3 are practically nonexistent in cgi anime as well which is why it's objectively shit.

[Anonymous No.6644333]

>>6644107
>brown people look bad
>Edgerunners art posted has 2 brown people in it

[Anonymous No.6644340]

>>6644170
Yes, they do. Especially the ones that want to be White so bad.

[Anonymous No.6644411]

>>6644107
you look bad, nigger. you're a schizoid mutt

[Anonymous No.6644425]

its just the shit coloring and stiff poses, westaboo fanart of these shows tend to look real good. Pic rel

[Anonymous No.6644470]

>>6643725
I'm tired of niggers too

[Anonymous No.6644471]

>>6644411
Way to expose yourself as not just a dirty darkie but an asshurt one on top of that

[Anonymous No.6644527]

>>6644102
They have made moe versions of the WW1 ships, anon
It's been waaay before they got nuked

[Anonymous No.6644585]

>>6643739
Basically

[Anonymous No.6644788]

American TV animation will never reach the quality of anime simply due to the fact that its made in a culture where being a slacker and "dunking on your boss who is a big meanie" is something that makes you cool and heroic.

[Anonymous No.6644791]

>>6644110
>posts a monkey

[Anonymous No.6644841]

As western TV animation becomes more and more underwhelming, japanese anime will only continue to grow stronger.
We live in a time now where anyone with an internet connection can do freelancing anywhere in the world from home. Take a wild guess what the most talented animators all want to work on these days... (hint: its anime).

[Anonymous No.6644849]

>>6643725
Thank you for your enlightening post OP here is your (You) medal.

[Anonymous No.6644866]

>>6644788
You realize this phrase was made to denounce workers who aren’t putting in free overtime and taking on additional responsibilities so they “might” get promoted right?

Most work places expect you to do multiple extra roles for free for the sake of maybe getting promoted, only to get turned down.

American work places are hellholes mate, call Americans what you will but we are not slackers

[Anonymous No.6644880]

>>6644866
There are also millions of people who are given reasonable expectations to meet and even when they have it easy they still go on their phones and take 18 bathroom breaks in a day.
Then they justify it by creating a narrative in their heads that they're "oppressed" and proceed to project an image of a chinese sweatshop worker onto themselves, pretending like they're on the same level.

[Anonymous No.6644883]

>>6644880
If you want to complain about slackers point to the Europeans
And Chinese sweat workers might have it rough but the modern chink just sits there copy and pasting from other peoples work

[Anonymous No.6644920]

>>6644841
Wanting is different from doing; unless you're truly passionate and value animation more than your health, you won't accept their rates and workload, it's simply too much.

Although talented baka gaijin would mostly join as key animators, which would offer a more decent pay...

[Anonymous No.6645000]

>>6644883
>If you want to complain about slackers point to the Europeans
I'm coming at this from an animation perspective.
Say what you will about the European work ethic. I haven't been around them enough to validate or refute. But the value of workers is measured in productivity, and proficiency is as big a factor as industriousness. Europe values traditions in the same way the East does, and they appreciate differences in skill level. When they are working, they get more done and at a higher quality. This is why Europe still produces a lot of good 2D films at very low budgets. This is why Cartoon Network has relocated its studio to Europe, and many of its bumpers and cartoon intros (like the one for the Powerpuff Girls reboot) are animated in Britain. Generally speaking, Gobelin's graduation films btfo those of CalArts.
To be blunt, their animators working at 50% capacity is better than our animators working at 100%. If they are lazy, and I'm not saying they are, it's because they can afford to be.

[Anonymous No.6645019]

>>6645000
European animators also put our a fraction of the content that American animators put out.

While EU/JP animators are definitely better than the rank and file American animators (discounting things like high production disney films, when they actually care), Americans are pumping out shows on a daily basis. Its not comparable to a more seriously done and traditional animation piece once a month (at its best)

A better comparison to American shows would be the bottom of the barrel isekai trash you see in Japan that just gets pumped out constantly and without any effort. And even the shitty calart animations beats the slideshow tier bullshit that is isekai anime.

[Anonymous No.6645058]

>>6645019
>European animators also put our a fraction of the content that American animators put out.
First, this is not true when you consider most of the animation work on American shows is outsourced. It's even more so in this new post-covid age of cartoon production, where more shots are farmed out to individual contractors over facebook and whatnot. A great deal are done by Europeans working in their underwear from home, and the audience would never know.
Second, Europe does have its own version of low-effort, tweened shovelware shows that number in the hundreds. You just won't see them all that often in the states, unless you make an effort to trawl through the depths of youtube.

[Anonymous No.6645109]

>>6643754
Then is not "on model" then, Idk aboit the action cartoons, regukar cartoons are designed to only be seen in 2 or 3 angles insyead of like a 3D figure like in Anime, so any deviation from those fixed angles is off model since you have to make tons of shit up.

[Anonymous No.6645222]

>>6643913
That doesn't look bad, is your problem that there's too much tone or that the character has a defined nose?

[Anonymous No.6645224]

>>6645222
Its not bad, in fact its quite good.
But it fails to be "anime" because he doesn't really grasp the aesthetics of what makes anime feel more like anime and starts to over construct and over render it.

My point was more that its an example of someone who knows how to draw just misunderstanding anime. As opposed to >>6643801
which just lacks any sort of skill, anatomy, or gesture.

It still looks good, it just looks off.

[Anonymous No.6645227]

Tries to "emulate anime", and ends doing the "side mouth" that was actually a shortcut to animate mouths.

[Anonymous No.6645232]

>>6645227
side mouths serve an illustrative purpose too, its harder to show mouth movements and shapes in a side view like that, side mouths let you be more expressive.

[Anonymous No.6645238]

>>6645232
Can opt to draw them in 3/4 perspective instead, side mouths make no sense on a static medium like a comic other than the artist doesn't know how to draw a profile face, which seems to be the case there

[Anonymous No.6645240]

>>6645238
>just draw nothing but 3/4 angles bro
lmao
lol
rofl

[Anonymous No.6645256]

>>6645232
>its harder to show mouth movements and shapes in a side view like that
Millions of panels from thousands of manga disprove this immediately. Skill issue.

[Anonymous No.6645273]

>>6644585
>>6643725
>>6643739
You know for a country known for its love of freedom, they don't seem to be as artistically free as their Nipponese counterpart. There's always that "audience-safe" approach to design

[Anonymous No.6645277]

>>6645273
Japan actually has some of the best freedom for art laws in the world. It was forced on them by America but unlike America they lack any systems to really change it. So basically there's just complete freedom of art and the press with fuck all the government can do about it.

All changes have to be done via societal pressure, which is basically impossible to do against a sole artist. There's been a few cases where artists got in trouble over loli/cp shit, but when it came to the art itself the government just has to shrug and say there's nothing they can do about it.

Its actually quite nice. One of the few times their backwards government charters actually are a benefit.

[Anonymous No.6645296]

>>6643913
Anime/cartooning is a curious thing. It lets you cheat on certain details, yet requires more care for bigger elements. Without the aid of realistic rendering, the cartoon becomes almost solely reliant on placement, alignment, and size to communicate structure, at a degree of accuracy that viewers have become accustomed to, but cannot achieve easily. Even Vandruff, in a draftman podcast, sheepishly alluded to the animator's need for greater accuracy such that his usual advice for drawing lines were inadequate.
>And it comes off as overly constructed and rendered.
His faces often have a distorted walleye look to them, which should be addressed during construction. I think it needs more, not less.

[Anonymous No.6645739]

>>6643725
no there are a few things which are pretty unappealing about these. for one, the values. it's only a base color and a single shadow. and the shadow is never tinted with a color reflecting from somewhere else in the scene, it's only black overlaid onto the base color. and the color pallets are pretty unappealing too imo.

but besides that the lineweight is ugly. looks like they used the paths tool at one solid thickness.

proportions are awful too. all those women have huge biceps and manly faces.

i feel like it's so obvious to explain why that style is so ugly that it's almost difficult to explain. i find it harder to understand how anyone could not get it.

[Anonymous No.6645755]

lmao

[Anonymous No.6645775]

>>6645755
close ups, dynamic poses, emotive facial expressions, and creative camera angles.

[Anonymous No.6645779]

>>6645775
speaking of which, don’t forget about the ost. Does american “anime” even put half as much effort to the soundtracks?

[Anonymous No.6645826]

>>6645755
>cherry pick establishing shots from 6 shows
>cherry pick the best images from an action heavy episode
okay.

[Anonymous No.6645834]

>>6643725
STOP WITH THE EAST VS WEST SHIT. Seriously, it's like every damn day this dead horse topic shits up this board. We get it, muh woke muricans can't do dem chinese cartoons right. not shit, especially in modern times. but to be frank, i'll take faux amerime over moeblob shit any day of the week.
also half you niggas really ousting your yellow fever faggotry on this board.

wakfu and radiant were both made by french people.

[Anonymous No.6645842]

>>6645240
Or you can do like the comic pro and draw side mouths, it's your choice to have your product look like garbage anyway.

[Anonymous No.6645848]

>>6645256
>Skill issue.
That's why the panel has sidemouths, Marvel hires incompent people

[Anonymous No.6645851]

>>6645826
>>cherry pick the best images from an action heavy episode
not even the best images lol. that's just the standard quality of each shot

[Anonymous No.6645865]

>>6645755
>American anime
What part of those six shows was made by japanese staff at a Japanese animation studio?
It's fun how Justice League, a show that's like 20 years old is still relevant, it followed a fine aesthetic, unlike half of american animation after Adventure Time and Steven Universe infected everything with the calarts cancer.

[Anonymous No.6645869]

>>6645834
>Wakfu
Which is basically moeblob shit
lmao

[Anonymous No.6645871]

>Thing
:/
>Japanese Thing
:0

[Anonymous No.6645875]

>>6645779
Just like American video games, they only flaccidly copy whatever trend Hollyjew is doing so right now it's generic BIG EPIC WHOMMMP BRRRR sounds

[Anonymous No.6645884]

>>6645834
>wakfu and radiant
Who?

[Anonymous No.6645921]

>>6645871
>thing
:/
>thing made in higher quality
:0

[Anonymous No.6646031]

>>6645848
>marvel
>hires
Tell me you're joking. That shit can't be official

[Anonymous No.6646032]

>>6645875
Yeah, music is a big thing that gets overlooked in American cartoons. Just another component western think tanks don’t understand. Instead they overuse sound effects to make up for it and if they actually try hard they do it for the opening song. They keep missing the point.

[Anonymous No.6646035]

>>6646031
Oh, boy, it IS!

>captcha: DAMDAM

[Anonymous No.6646036]

>>6646035
>>6646035

[Anonymous No.6646039]

>>6646031
Every single horrible "muh 300 sexes" cliché is crammed on this comic

[Anonymous No.6646044]

>>6646031
The comic is basically Gwenpool having a mental breakdown over not wanting to fuck everything that comes near her.
First-World problems, where people get so bored with their needs fulfilled they need to create a problem

[Anonymous No.6646046]

>>6646044
Man that's a shame, I actually kinda liked the art style and some of the earlier issues were kinda fun.

[Anonymous No.6646053]

>>6645755
>kill la kill as the comparison
disingenuous

[Anonymous No.6646055]

>>6646035
>>6646036
>>6646039
>>6646044
>high school twitter user tier art
>focus on gender of the month shit
BWAHAHAHAHA
How has no comic company alternative been able to flourish under these conditions it seems like a cake walk

[Anonymous No.6646058]

>>6646055
I mean, Gwenpool was always a sorta shitpost comic anyways. Her entire gimmick was trying to make a female cute deadpool out of a spiderman love interest, her entire premise was inherently stupid. And since she was just a shitty female deadpool, they couldn't do anything fun or edgy with the meta humor so it results in shit like this.

But its not like she was ever designed to be taken particularly serious

[Anonymous No.6646073]

>>6646058
It's not like it's the only comic they're doing with that gender thing cliché
>>6646055
The industry is gatekept by the diversity hires and the virtue signaling people they answer to, it's a nightmare trying to enter there.
There are indie comics that are spawning around, and obviously every corpo shill is 24/7 screeching about how the nazis are trying to escape the duopoly held by the Big 2

[Anonymous No.6646081]

>>6646073
yeah not defending marvel as a whole, just some extra context to gwenpool cause i liked her for a bit.

comics are a dead medium though, they're really just desperate for anything at this point is my guess.

[Anonymous No.6646086]

>>6645775
I do agree with Anno, I was looking for his segment in the eva making of where he stresses this point but couldn't find it, found this instead.

[Anonymous No.6646090]

>>6646058
I don't consider myself a comic fan at all but even I can't escape all the new humiliating "socially conscious" dreck that these publishers put out every couple months.
>>6646073
Who cares what they're screeching about. If you focus on merit and create good content people will come to you. Especially in the vacuum left behind by publishers dropping the ball. Even if people have to enjoy that content in secret it's a gradual thing. Eventually it'll hit critical mass and people will feel emboldened enough to like it in the open regardless. Someone patient should be banking on this mess right now.

[Anonymous No.6646098]

>>6646086
those girls are underage.
this is illegal.

[Anonymous No.6646110]

>>6646098
Ok, hypocrite

[Anonymous No.6646114]

>>6646110
Unfair comparison because Rikko is a giant whore who's entire personality is wanting to fuck Kanna, its not just a casual cheek kiss.

[Anonymous No.6646115]

>>6646098
they are not. this is rebuilds, set in the future. plus Asuka has a curse that stops her growing older(removed at the end of thrice upon a time)

[Anonymous No.6646117]

>>6646090
>Someone patient should be banking on this mess right now.
Yes, patience and steady work is key, the more comics get created, then readers can get more stuff to choose from.

[Anonymous No.6646120]

>>6646114
>It's ok when the american cartoon does it

[Anonymous No.6646461]

>>6646086
Zamn
Dat ass

[Anonymous No.6647882]

>TFW if it was still the 90s you could have just paid an actual japanese studio to animate your shit instead of soulless koreans
Such a shame really
https://youtu.be/B86oEtDxf-U
https://youtu.be/6L1IfvTI4OM

[Anonymous No.6648123]

>>6643725
For fuck sake why is there always some stupid fucking 22 year old poltard weeb making the same fucking thread over and over and over, barely even related to discussing the fucking art of the obviously made for pre-teens American cartoons and comparing it to the Japanese market?
Like take this drivel to /co/ or some shit nobody cares about your infantile "le ameritroon bad le nippers sugoii" that has nothing to do with art
Fuck you, retarded fucking Neanderthal

[Anonymous No.6648127]

>>6643739
>all these seething replies
They hated him because he told the truth.

[Anonymous No.6648413]

>>6648123
>that has nothing to do with art
Except the ameritoons literally have worse art lmao

[Anonymous No.6648441]

My beef with the "anime" named:
> too many characters vying to be the main character in one show
There needs to be one MC per show. A spin off show can have another character as the main.
> forgettable silhouette
There's a lack of diversity in silhouettes in character design, ironically shows that seek to be more diverse neither have diversity in the silhouette nor diversity in personality. Theyre all brave, stoic, cold, and strong aka "powerful female characters"
> theres too much going on with some character designs
You dont need that many belts, colors, and wrist bands on one character.
> characters tend to have the same Marvel/DC style outfit
This is not bad per say, but if these shows want to stand out from the rest, they need to ditch skin suits
> finally...
This is just the character design problems I can think of. Im not going to begin on set design, dialogue, story, soundtrack, and story telling

[Anonymous No.6648455]

>>6643801
Since we're talking about anime influenced drawings, what do you think about mine?
> made in 2021
You can say its shit. I like the truth

[Anonymous No.6648461]

>>6644107
I like brownies

[Anonymous No.6648476]

>>6645834
>> wakfu and radiant were both made by french people.
At least 50% of the staff working on Wakfu were Japanese, nigger, read the credits.

It was basically a French company paying a Japanese studio to lead them by the hand on how to produce an anime.

Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's still Asian genes.

[Anonymous No.6648528]

>>6645755
Jesus, I hate when there are too many characters especially when they're all in one shot. Takes away their individuality. That being said
> Kill la Kill is a top tier show while all these Western shows are mid
Megas XLR and OG Ben 10 are kino

[Anonymous No.6648548]

>>6648441
Westerners have never escaped the grips of 2000's era "how to draw manga" books written by rando white guys. Fundamental misunderstanding of character design and storytelling through stylistic and visual choices. And are forever stranded in the 80's and 90's "group of turtles/rangers/heroes/spies" school of appeal. Which is completely dated because it was built on the concept of selling toys, which kids don't buy now unless they see it in an unboxing video on YouTube.

[Anonymous No.6648558]

>>6648548
Spongebob Squarepants has
> good character design
> an interesting set
> catchy memorable soundtrack
> funny puns and gags for a comedy
I would consider Spongebob Squarepants superior to any and every comedy anime out there

[Anonymous No.6648583]

>>6645755
>American anime
>puts early 2000s Justice League in the image
What the fuck are you doing?

[Anonymous No.6648586]

>>6648558
I actually was going to mention this but I forgot. Americans were unironically more skilled with their character design before anime started influencing their decisions. The old schools of art had crafted their own ideas of balanced and appealing shapes and features. Then japanese tastes get injected into our culture and it threw the entire balance completely out of wack. Decades of crafting our own visual identity is right in the middle of a weird "phase" and everything looks awkward.
I once believed the west could make their own "anime" if they tried hard enough. I realize now we just fundamentally can't. Now I wish we'd go back to western sensibilities and let the Japanese have their japanese sensibility and stop trying to merge the two into some unholy mutt. That goes for japs trying to be more like America too.
Technical animation techniques can be shared though. Nothing wrong with better functionality.

[Anonymous No.6648588]

>>6648441
>There needs to be one MC per show. A spin off show can have another character as the main.
Na that's stupid.
A cast of MCs works fine, with some episodes breaking it down to each party's perspective.

[Anonymous No.6648592]

>>6648476
The main designer is still a frenchie.

[Anonymous No.6648599]

>>6648476
If you're going to go down that route, then lest we forget the Americans that help produce anime.
Pic related

[Anonymous No.6648630]

>>6643785
>Netflix Castlevania is evidence that the West is also getting there
Netflix Castlevania is evidence that the West should never touch Castlevania ever again. Even Captain N wasn't as bad

[Anonymous No.6648640]

>>6648586
>That goes for japs trying to be more like America too
Hard disagree. A lot of of the best stories and art in manga and anime came directly from western influences, just think of Berserk, Trigun, Nausicaa, etc. and even today the best modern nip fantasy like pic related or Elden Ring is made by westaboos that enjoy classic D&D alongside traditional sword and sorcery.
Americans just never understood anime and never will, and it's understandable considering they got it much later than other parts of the world while anglosphere media has been widely exported globally for decades.

[Anonymous No.6648642]

>>6648630
You can say that to the story but artstyle wise, nah
It's cool
They just needed to hire an actual Castlevania fan and kick the marketting team who wanted GoT audience waaaaay out

[Anonymous No.6648649]

>>6648599
Did he do half of the show?

[Anonymous No.6648654]

>>6646036
>>6646039

[Anonymous No.6648664]

>>6648649
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Can you not grasp at the point that studios, yes even Japanese ones, outsource their animation? Or do you need an arbitrary percentage of ethnic count per labor done on animation to determine if something is produced by a specific country? Even so, most of the production for Wakfu was done by French, ergo Wakfu is French animation, bar none.

[Anonymous No.6648710]

>>6648664
Stop being a disingenuous little shit.
Japan - and the US too, really - outsource most of their grunt GRUNT work to Korea/China and other cheaper shitholes.

That's different from having a big chunk of the key animation done by artists from another country.

[Anonymous No.6648884]

>>6648710
You're the disingenuous faggot. The vast majority of Wakfu's production was done by the French, with the exception of the single Noxus episode spinoff. To say Wakfu is Japanese animation is just pure fucking retardation, you literally cannot post or talk about the show on /a/ because it's categorically a "western" show.

[Anonymous No.6648985]

>>6643739
That doesn’t detest any of what he said you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.6649558]

Why can't western cartoons copy anime like they used to? TLoA and Boondocks were both amazing shows heavily inspired by anime, but all the attempts at anime we see these days like in the OP's pic are Super Saiyan-ish transformations, ugly animation/artsyle and references to that handful of shows current showrunners grew up with, like aforementioned Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, etc.

[Anonymous No.6649581]

>>6649558
Boondocks and Avatar have the same style, the writing was just better.

[Anonymous No.6650117]

>>6643725
>Ah sweet
>Another east vs west thread

[Anonymous No.6650130]

>>6644880
Doesn't exists. Get out of your headcanon narrative.

[Anonymous No.6650135]

>>6645755
Is this suppose to imply same face shit is good practice? You better not be. if you're going to post a trigger image, post a better show faggot.

[Anonymous No.6650140]

>>6646110
Romance is not porn polnigger
Angles for the male gaze is.

[Anonymous No.6650154]

>>6643725
whatever the reason is, i just hate how sterile this style looks. shows that use it are almost always boring as fuck and forgotten quickly. Point and case: all 4 shows in the OP image.

[Anonymous No.6650159]

>>6650154
I see it as stiff, like it's all drawn by constructoids

[Anonymous No.6650170]

>>6650140
Another hypocrite
male gaze isn't a thing

[Anonymous No.6650197]

>>6643804
>That's because there's no western value within the design of the nigger and the dyke.
Lol
Lmao even

[Anonymous No.6650205]

>>6650170
Shut up virgin.

[Anonymous No.6650221]

>>6650170
Although I'm no feminist, the concept of the male gaze is undeniably present. Simply take a look at any popular female character from the past decade and it becomes apparent that their design, presentation, and meta-reactions are all crafted to arouse male pleasure. This phenomenon, known as the male gaze, extends beyond just straight men and has a significant overlap with how gay men perceive and design their desired objects.
In male gazey characters, hypersexualization is pervasive, regardless of gender. This is exemplified by characters with exaggerated physiques and personalities, like the big-boobied waifus in anime, or those who embody vulnerability and naivete. Even femboys, who take their femininity to its logical extreme, are included in this group. Additionally, there are various gay bara porns that feature unrealistic body proportions like literal moobies and fat asses.
To claim that the male gaze is non-existent is akin to denying that the sky is blue or that fire is hot. In fact, the female gaze is also a real phenomenon, despite some feminist arguments to the contrary. Gender plays a significant role in how individuals perceive objects of desire, and this is particularly evident in visual media.
>>6650154
You're absolutely right about that. I've only watched a couple of these shows myself, and I couldn't tell you much about the plot of either of them. Even the fanbases that formed around them seem to have lost interest over time. Now it seems that the only ones left are a group of overly-obsessed spergs who refuse to move on.

[Anonymous No.6651628]

>>6643799
>>6643751
>posts an image with no elaboration
>surprised when nobody understands what he was trying to say or what side of the argument he's on
I get that this is an imageboard but maybe fucking use your words next time you stupid AIDS-nigger with syphilis

[Anonymous No.6651630]

>>6644110
nta but case in point
She's not brown, she's fucking GRAY in your image. That is sickly. She looks like a corpse of a white woman. And I like brown women and I like Nessa but everyone sucks at coloring browns cause there's less references and experience to stand on

[Anonymous No.6651635]

>>6644214
No, that was just color theory

[Anonymous No.6651641]

>>6643739
Absolutely retarded.

[Anonymous No.6651654]

>>6643801
Me on the left

[Anonymous No.6651872]

>>6650205
shut up rapist

[Anonymous No.6651878]

>>6650221
>all crafted to arouse male pleasur
People who constantly complain about "everyghing being male gaze" most often just hate seeing men enjoying things and have to invoke some stupid patriarchy strawman to excuse their conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous No.6651879]

>>6651635
ok racist commie

[Anonymous No.6651961]

>>6651872
The only rapists are pedophiles and women haters.

[Anonymous No.6651967]

>>6646098
No it's not, faggot. Cartoons don't count as CP.

[Anonymous No.6651968]

>>6645834
>wakfu and radiant were both made by french people.
And it looks like shit because they used puppetry tweening software to do the animation.

[Anonymous No.6651978]

>>6651630
>NOO YOU DIDN'T DRAW A WHITE GIRL, SHE HAS SHADES OF PINK IN HER SKIN!

[Anonymous No.6651985]

>>6643785
>USA's culture of individualism demands a culture that values strength, resilience, and masculinity.
This might possibly explain why early US localizations were all focused on how 'cool and adult' manga was compared to the US's comics industry. Adult both in content, but also aesthetic.
For example, MANGA, which might be the first deliberately collected publishing of manga for the Anglosphere, has authors like Hiroshi Hirata who is one of the most extreme and cynical mangaka I've ever stumbled across. But no Tezuka, Ishinomori, Matsumoto, etc.
Similarly are early publications like Concerned Theater Japan, that focused on alt-manga and what was coming out of the underground in Japan at the time. Series like Akame or The Stopclock.
Later you have really early localizations of series by companies like Eclipse for series like Appleseed, or Kamui, but little to nothing from Kurumada or Toriyama.
If anything you could say they have the opposite problem to manga publishing today in that they avoided popular series and focused entirely on digging up whatever was 'different'.

Early OVAs and anime that were localized follow similar patterns early on.
It wasn't until the 90s that you saw a widening of the styles. But by that time in the US the focus had shifted to grabbing modern shojo and shonen. Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon and Pokemon over Galaxy Express 999.

[Anonymous No.6651988]

>>6648640
>considering they got it much later than other parts of the world
Agree. In LATAM Saint Seiya, Dr Slump, Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball (original, Z and GT) and many other anime shows were already huge hits in the early 90's, also that the Latin American Spanish dubs had the original music and intros/outros from the Japanese versions, accurately translated to Spanish, not like the US English dubs that heavily altered the source material back in the early 2000's. They also used to air some Super Sentai Shows before there was Power Rangers. LATAM 90's kids grew up on Japanese TV basically.

[Anonymous No.6651991]

>>6651978
what

[Anonymous No.6651992]

>>USA's culture of individualism demands a culture that values strength, resilience, and masculinity.
Steven universe, the patient zero of the calarts-lgtv sinkhole in western animation was sold as "teaching boys a NEW role model of masculinity"
That's correct, people, SU was marketed at boys, with the pretense that they had to identify themselves with the retarded crybaby crossdressing MC.

[Anonymous No.6652007]

>>6650221
Cope & seethe, dyke
You will never be an attractive 2D cartoon girl

[Anonymous No.6652015]

>>6646086
Based & angle-pilled. Fake anime creators are lazy fucks who use toon boom & outsource their storyboards to Korea. The reason why real anime why is better is because everything is drawn by hand with knowledge in basic fundamentals. Amerimutt cartoons are ironically lazy & ugly.

[Anonymous No.6652019]

>>6650135
Imagine coping this hard. Aanime uses samefaces & are still able to create beautiful animation because it isn't robotic animated shit made in Toon Boom.

[Anonymous No.6652032]

>>6643801
Pic-rel is a redpill on the matter & why westernoids fail at anime

[Anonymous No.6652033]

>>6643725
Alot of faux anime is animated by Koreans. That's why they're shit.

[Anonymous No.6652066]

>>6643725
no, it's actually the strong facial design in the faux anime compared to this one >>6643739
the nose are small to the point of none existence in Japanese designed characters compared to the wectoid ones.

[Anonymous No.6652089]

>>6644841
>japanese anime will only continue to grow stronger.
We're not even near the peaks of late 90's/early 00's Japanese animation.

Things like Jin Roh, PatLabor (movies), Cowboy Bebop, etc aren't in any way worse than what we're getting today.

[Anonymous No.6652166]

Ban all weebcucks

[Anonymous No.6652361]

>>6645755
This one opening already BTFOs all of those. No need for an entire show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOrYZhMsvw

[Anonymous No.6652363]

>>6652166
go back to /co/

[Anonymous No.6652382]

>>6650221
>Simply take a look at any popular female character from the past decade and it becomes apparent that their design, presentation, and meta-reactions are all crafted to arouse male pleasure.

No FUCKING shit you retard. Women are attractive to the opposite sex. Next you are going to tell me the sky is blue. This sort of mindset is what has lead to idiots instead turning women into "men" instead. Sex sells. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.6652420]

>>6652363
There's even more anti west fags there than here.

[Anonymous No.6652434]

>>6652166
If you don't like people becoming weebs then make better content lmao.

[Anonymous No.6652442]

>>6652434
I don't care about weebcucks, I'm tired of their obessisve inferiority complex.

[Anonymous No.6652447]

>>6647882
>TFW if it was still the 90s you could have just paid an actual japanese studio to animate your shit instead of soulless koreans

Is there any source on the internet that puts this "koreans animate all of Japans anime" to rest? Where did this come from? Some 1 youtube video from Lesean Thomas talking about animation and then it go blown out of proportion?

There are 400+ studios in Japan albeit not all of them are active they still do the majority of the work in Japan. Please show me a source of this parroted meme.

[Anonymous No.6652454]

>>6652447
It's not some unverified rumor, it's been happening for years. You'll see Korean names in the credits. Most shows in the west also outsource to Korea. They do it China as well. I'm pretty sure they do the in-betweens most of the time.

[Anonymous No.6652460]

>>6652454
You see English names in the credits, too. Doesn't mean anything. Again, where is a verifiable, credible source for this meme?

[Anonymous No.6652476]

>>6652382
The whole "muh evil male gaze" thing reaches its extreme whith stupid shit like the Hawkeye Initiative, which was basically a bunch of gay pictures of Hawkeye
Showing any amount of evidence that men have been objectified as much and even more than women in fiction, these nutjobs will answer that what they want is specifically to repulse "cishet men"
For them, an acceptable male role model is Steven Universe

[Anonymous No.6652479]

>>6652420
>There's even more anti west fags there than here.
Must be because westoid fags are more insufferable than any weeb can ever be

[Anonymous No.6652482]

>>6652442
>I'm tired of their obessisve inferiority complex.
When have weebs considered anime inferior to cartoons, nigga?

[Anonymous No.6652485]

>>6652460
Have you ever used google before declaring it to be unfounded? https://variety.com/2012/digital/news/japanese-companies-outsourcing-anime-1118049388/
https://areomagazine.com/2022/02/21/the-best-and-worst-of-times-for-the-japanese-anime-industry/
We've even got a studio like Tonari being the middleman for people getting work on anime like Boruto from what I've seen recently.

[Anonymous No.6652494]

>>6652482
>Reading comprehension
Backwards mind retard, it's the use of anime to seem superior to hide their insecurities behind.

[Anonymous No.6652496]

>>6648123
Turd world ESLs most likely. They tend to talk about anime's achievements as their own.

[Anonymous No.6652498]

>>6652494
That doesn't make a lick of sense, lmao

[Anonymous No.6652499]

>>6652498
>Cuck too stupid to read
Sad.

[Anonymous No.6652503]

>>6648123

It's probably some underage kid in his honeymoon weeb phase that watched less than 10 shows and keeps picking apart American "anime" made long before he or she was born to watch it on TV. It's the same type of thread every week and the only reason they don't make the thread on /a/ (or /co/) is because /a/ would either ignore their thread or rip their bad take from head to asshole.

[Anonymous No.6652877]

>>6643725
>we wuz kangz n shiet niqqa
fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.6652883]

>>6650140
>male gaze
>seriously using this worthless buzzword
actually commit suicide like for real no cap on god fr I genuinely hope you kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6652887]

>>6651978
retarded ass nigger

[Anonymous No.6653018]

>>6643739
The one thing the show is remembered for and anyone liked about it was the part that the western half of the production tried to oppose being in it because they thought it wasn't "correct for US demographics". This just proves OP right.

[Anonymous No.6653102]

>>6653018
How do we remove retard execs in entertainment? Every week some new first draft or concept art gets leaked that's 100x better than the final product. It's simple to see where to start if we want to fix our trash.

[Anonymous No.6653105]

>>6653018
Reminder that CD project was forced to rewrite the script several times and got rejected by Trigger until Trigger did it as well. Goes to show the culture around these companies are just fundamentally different.

[Anonymous No.6653114]

>>6643725
this artstyle reminds of me of he man and gi joe, very easy to produce and commercialize to sell you toys and other useless shit
no soul involved

[Anonymous No.6653165]

>>6643725
So essentially the style is only good when it depicts the kinds of characters you like to see? That sounds stupid anon. And no, I am not defending Western faux anime here. I dislike it for the same reason as you do. But thats not an issue of art style, its a creative one

[Anonymous No.6653169]

>>6653114
>Shows made to sell merchandise
>Shows made to sell merchandise IN JAPAN

[Anonymous No.6653302]

>>6653114
>>6653169
Oh, no, animation must fund itself with merchandise because it's stupidly expensive!

[Anonymous No.6653365]

>>6653018
every anime, every game, every movie.
needs a loli.

[Anonymous No.6653415]

Western stuff still tries to stretch itself out too much. Like if that Voltron cartoon had been 1 or 2 seasons it would have been pretty good but by the time it limped to its finale it was a total mess. Same with Castlevania, after Dracula died it became dogshit.

[Anonymous No.6653421]

>>6653415
Voltron went to shit because the showrunners allowed tumblrinas to blackmail them.
Castlevania also has its share of stupid shit from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.6653434]

>>6652476
Once again, feminists dykes prove to be incompetent spinster
>doesn't understand what straight men are attracted to
>doesn't understand that attractive female & male characters can exist in any lore
Holy shit, someone should fire this dumb bitch.

[Anonymous No.6653442]

>>6652476
>feminazi
To call these people "nazis" is inaccurate. They should be called feminist marxists.

[Anonymous No.6653840]

>>6653442
Ah, so commies then.

[Anonymous No.6653963]

>>6652382
Jesus Christ. Take your meds and calm the fuck down.

[Anonymous No.6654613]

>>6653963
Yours aint gonna make you a real woman, troon.

[Anonymous No.6654618]

>>6654613
Worry about yourself; try becoming a real man.

[Anonymous No.6654750]

>>6646110
Dragon Maid's thing is that there are 500 year old dragons disguised as little kids wanting to fuck elementary schoolers, so the second image is indeed different

[Anonymous No.6654754]

>>6654750
Actually the 500 year dragon is indifferent to the child, its the child that wants to fuck the dragon.

[Anonymous No.6654757]

>>6653365
She's a short adult tho, her first appearance is in a pub

[Anonymous No.6654904]

>>6644841
is the joke here that this scene was done by an American

[Anonymous No.6655100]

>Butthurt janny deleted the first post
LMAO

[Anonymous No.6655124]

>>6654750
>different
The difference is that a bunch of 40-year olds amerimutt weirdos sure love to see 10-year olds kissing in a cartoon when it's done "by the correct people"

[Anonymous No.6656865]

>>6655100
cause he's a retard thinking edgerunners is faux anime when a majority of the production says otherwise, that being made by a japanese crew.

[Anonymous No.6656877]

>>6655100
there are other deleted posts which maybe suggests he got a bullet through his skull by the mods for shitposting elsewhere