Tired of Wallowing in the Mud

[AspieAfterDark No.6628450]

Hello /ic/

I've been at the social media based digital art game off and on for several years now.

I've had Twitter in particular for 2 1/2 years with barely 1,000 followers to my name

And its not for a lack of trying on my part though I'll admit I got burnt out treating social media like a second full time job and as such I focused more on quality over quantity.

And before you ask, yes, I tried this and I tried that to grow my following and overall presence on social media.

Anyway, I'm honestly at a crossroad in my life as a digital artist on social media in 2023.

Do I just continue toiling away in obscurity while everybody around me somehow manages to be more successful than I am at running an art based social media account and lie to myself that "oh, likes and followers don't matter I'm not missing out on anything!"

Or do I "break bad" so to speak and do whatever it takes to quickly rise in the social media algorithm without having to copy Sakimi-Chan, CuteSexyRobutts, or whoever's big in the social media art game these days?

I've been at this long enough to know that the typical advice you see everywhere on the internet about growing a following for your art on social media is either outdated or only works for artists who are already social media famous and to be frank I myself have wondered late at night what the REAL honest to God secret is these popular artists deliberately seem to gatekeep from us poor plebeians who are stuck in the mud.

And the reason I say that because I sincerely doubt that the big time artists "magically" went from being "just like you" with barely 1,000 followers to 50,000-100,000+ followers in the span of a year or two after aimlessly plugging away for years on end before that.

No, not without doing something that they don't want to share with the average joe for fear of word getting out and their entire social media career being called into question.

[AspieAfterDark No.6628477]

>>6628450
And to further expand on my previous post.

Yes, I've tried being "more social" on social media.

Yes, I've tried cashing in on flavor of the month waifus and memes alike.

Yes, I've experimented with some art pieces of mine.

Yes, I've done freebie art pieces mainly as part of a giveaway.

Yes, I've participated in art share threads.

You name it, I've probably tried it.

Short of paying somebody who's already social media famous to help boost my account or engage in some other blackhat tactic that likely involves paying good money that also in all likelihood wouldn't work now that Elon Musk owns Twitter (and no, I've heard mixed things about paying for Twitter Blue as an artist, so that's out of the question), I'm honestly at a loss as for what to do.

And like I said, any popular social media artist who tries to claim "oh I used to be just like you toiling away in obscurity for years on end before things magically clicked into place for me one day" before selling you on the same cliched BS advice for growing your account in their Twitter thread is purposely gatekeeping you and everybody else who listens to them so there's no competition to be had.

That said, there's got to be something they are doing that works like steroids for their account that they don't want the normies to know about.

I just can't place my finger on what.

Socials for those interested:

https://twitter.com/DarkAspie

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/37275876

[Anonymous No.6628500]

>>6628477
What I know you haven't tried looking at your art is reading and practicing some more goddamn Loomis. All those tricks and strategies only work if your work is appealing/ or somwhat technically good. Even if its super fucked, people will eat anime shit up as long as the face, breasts and ass are good ( basically the coomer elements). The problem you have is going for coomer shit without being remarkably good at it. The moment you start getting remotely good and draw porn, your followers and likes will skyrocket, unlike SFW artists.

[Anonymous No.6628508]

>>6628450
bro literally all your faces look like they have down syndrome and were bashed on one side with a bat, unironically use or copy from AI instead

[Anonymous No.6628519]

how about you focus on improving your art dude

[Anonymous No.6628530]

>>6628450
>how do i get rich&famous thread #687684651654651
>"i tried everything, except drawing and getting better at drawing"
Just buy bots.

[Anonymous No.6628532]

>>6628450
Stop worrying about getting some random numbers higher and focus on studying and learning to enjoy the process. By the looks of things you still need to work on your basic fundamentals big time.

[Anonymous No.6628549]

>>6628450
The reason people aren't paying attention is that your drawing skills are not good enough yet, do studies of frames from anime and try to replicate them as accurately as possible and work on constructive figure drawing, look at krenz's tutorials on it and make sure you don't fall into the trap of dropping making finished pieces to solely grind fundies.

[Anonymous No.6628654]

1. art is just badly drawn anime
2. drop the 'aspie' thing it's unappealing

[Anonymous No.6628710]

You need to get better at drawing. Your faces look a little weird, and your colors are garish with no gradation.

[Anonymous No.6628722]

>>6628450
You are not at the level artistically for those tricks to work. Those tips and tricks are for people who already have appealing art but is struggling to find an audience.
I draw hentai on Twitter as well, and I also see a lot of it. It’s easy for really catchy, appealing art to gain a following. Your current art doesn’t feel sexy at all, my eyes are drawn towards mistakes more than the subject. maybe try adding some shine or smth?

[Anonymous No.6628730]

You're lucky to even have gotten 1k followers OP
You're still high beg at best lol, fucking get a reality check moron

[Anonymous No.6628734]

your art looks like every other mid/late 20s artist on twitter who only draws anime without any understanding of fundamentals.

As other people have said, those tips and tricks only work if your work is actually good.

[Anonymous No.6628737]

>>6628450
the only half decent one looks traced af

[Anonymous No.6628738]

>>6628450
>>6625608
You can do it op, coom shit has low standards, so just improve your art a little bit, because pic related has 50k+ followers

[AspieAfterDark No.6628785]

To everybody saying "durr work on your art /beg/let", you are just wasting my time and I suggest not wasting it further unless you are here to divulge how to quickly gain followers en masse on Twitter and elsewhere.

Cool?

Cool!

I wouldn't have gotten to 1,000 followers over the better part of two years if my art was bad.

(And mind you, I burnt out on posting regularly and churning out a new coom art per week for little to no gain early last year versus when I take my time and post whenever I feel like it which has worked out better for me in the long term.)

>>6628738
You get it anon.

Its not about quality per se.

If that were true, the artist whom you linked to would be wallowing in obscurity.

Anyway, for everyone who reads this post, don't waste my time unless you are willing to share the secret methods popular artists use to quickly grow their following from 1,000 or less to 50,000-100,000+ that they will never share with their normie followers let alone up and coming artists struggling to build a following.

[Anonymous No.6628796]

I swear I have a good attention span, but I couldn't read even half of OP's post.
It's like it was written in some sort of anti-language for phoneposters.

A truly mesmerizing, magnetic repelling effect.

[Anonymous No.6628845]

>>6628785
Either you get rid of the Dunning-Kruger thing you've got going on or you just remain a below beginner level artist for the rest of your life, your choice. The folks here are trying to help you snap out of it mate. The "bad artist" you referenced has clearly studied and has some pleasing stylization and colors going on amongst all the rampant beg-tier elements. His art is still miles beyond your level and the fact that you can't see it just further proves you haven't developed your critical eye at all. The only "secret" to getting good/fame/followers is to put in the effort and study.

[Anonymous No.6628895]

>>6628785
>unless you are willing to share the secret methods popular artists use to quickly grow their following

it's called buying followers and probably the only way you're actually going to get them because you have no hope of getting a huge following organically if you're going to refuse to see that your work sucks, dude.

[AspieAfterDark No.6628900]

>>6628895
>Short of paying somebody who's already social media famous to help boost my account or engage in some other blackhat tactic that likely involves paying good money that also in all likelihood wouldn't work now that Elon Musk owns Twitter (and no, I've heard mixed things about paying for Twitter Blue as an artist, so that's out of the question), I'm honestly at a loss as for what to do.

Out of the question anon.

Paying for fake followers was already skeevy enough before Elon Musk bought Twitter.

Moreover, the algorithm for social media in general knows when people are blatantly trying to cheat it by way of fake bought and paid for followers.

[Anonymous No.6628903]

>>6628785
your art is shit, git gud or be doomed to obscurity, your choice

[Anonymous No.6628928]

>>6628900
yes but you're acting like there's some hidden tip that can make your work as it is explode in popularity when you've been told that the way to gain followers is to have GOOD work.

Your stuff looks like every other /beg/ on the entire internet, there's no identity, there's nothing to attract an audience. I'm not gonna care about your work when I can find someone at the same skill level within a minute of scrolling through ANY art tag on any social media website.

Yes you have 1k followers after two years, but how many of those are actual *fans* of your work rather than fans of the content you're drawing?

Just pick up animation or something, people always bust a nut for shitty loops.

[Anonymous No.6628962]

>>6628450
I'm always amazed at how people on this level get over 100 followers, let alone 1k.

[Anonymous No.6628977]

>>6628928
> way to gain followers is to have GOOD work.
Biggest fucking lie in art history

[Anonymous No.6628989]

>>6628962
Basically like 99% of those people don't give a shit about the art or the creator and just want them to follow them back. They accumulate over time even if you don't post anything but pictures of your favourite cereal flavors.

[Anonymous No.6629149]

>>6628450
it's an algorithm you just give it what it needs and it does the rest for you
>post consistently daily
>post high quality in comparison to everyone else
>post hot new thing
>post at peak hour
>don't be toxic or do anything to get reported
>do this consistently for 20 days or something maybe more
there the algorithm starts feeding people in your direction you don't even need to be that good but what's in OP pic just isn't good enough

[Anonymous No.6629171]

>>6628977
the way to gain followers is to have good enough work and then shit out as many posts as you can daily

[Anonymous No.6629174]

>>6629171
>post daily
>git gud shitter
>utilize trends
>hashtags
Lel, all this thread has is meme advice. If I had a dime for every high int artist stuck with double digit twitter following for years, I’d be well off. And the reverse too, all of the absolute shitters with 50k followers, lmfao. Who takes this advice seriously?

It’s luck op. Just luck. Go buy a lottery ticket and then fool yourself into believing there’s a method to winning lmfao. Be sad, stay mad. I suggest you don’t play, save yourself the headache.

[Anonymous No.6629181]

>>6628785
>To everybody saying "durr work on your art /beg/let", you are just wasting my time and I suggest not wasting it further unless you are here to divulge how to quickly gain followers en masse on Twitter and elsewhere.
Ok, here's the secret: Consistently make things that appeal to lots of people. Consistently make things people want to look at.
Your art doesn't have to be "good" even, it just has to be good enough to be appealing.
Your current art is not appealing because it's not good enough.
also >>6629174 is correct, you need an amount of luck too.
The better your art is, the better your odds.

[Anonymous No.6629193]

>>6628450
Your art is lowquality . Fix that. Show your face.
Profit.

[Anonymous No.6629196]

>>6628450
The eyes are so cringe. Are you 12 ?

[Anonymous No.6629214]

>>6628450
Most popular internet artists either have good artwork, or likeable personalities. You are currently neither, and you seem intent on not improving, be it skill or persona. By process of elimination, your next best course then is to browbeat people into liking your stuff. Not genuinely, they just need to feel obligated to fav and retweet you out of guilt, fear, pity, or irony.
You seem to admit you are on the spectrum, so lean into it. Play up your flaws and make them virtuous. Remove the last few barriers of taste and self awareness and expose yourself to the internet. Impose yourself on popular artists, bug them as much as you can, and destroy them with slander if they do not respond.
Make yourself the art. Amuse us, disgust us, anger us. Amputate a body part or commit a disgusting act against a relative. As long as you give us something to gawk at, most people on 4chan will volunteer their services and promote you free of charge. I suppose that is the real secret. Once you are desperate enough, the distinction between fame and notoriety disappears.

[Anonymous No.6629222]

>>6628450
I think taking a step to improve and start studying might be a good idea. There's a guy in the socials thread I found a while ago who is the opposite of this. His newest posts were a clear improvement over his old ones but he stopped posting for no reason.

[Anonymous No.6629304]

The actual easiest way is to make friends with popular artists on discord or some shit and then have them retwat you because they are your bros

[Anonymous No.6629305]

How high is the chance that this isn't OPs account and he's farming posts here for an epic 4chan screenshot to send to this dude?

[Anonymous No.6629329]

>>6629305
that's impossible his human ID matches with the one on twitter, it has to be him

[Anonymous No.6629342]

>>6629305
This is a reoccurring anxiety I have, that someone will pretend to be me and post some stupid shit on 4chan. Especially since I have actually posted here as me before.
Just saying "ok, this years old archived post is real, but this one from the next thread I didn't check totally isn't" feels like it would sound weak.

[Anonymous No.6629344]

Are you drawing what you like, do you know how to use tags? Been drawing for 2 years and got 2k followers in Pixiv and DA and 700 in Twitter. What's your niche, who's your target audience? What peopleshould expect from you?

[Anonymous No.6629415]

>>6628450
>>6628477
I'm not sure if you're trying to bait, but I really can't tell which ones are from 2019 and which ones are from 2023. You're clearly not improving. Also, stop using this book to learn how to draw faces, please.

[Anonymous No.6629421]

>>6628730
Bahahahaha that fucking tit

[Anonymous No.6629507]

>>6628450
>>6628738
This. It's all about the face. If you can draw a proper anime face the rest can be two circles on a stick and it will get followers. If you're having trouble just find an A.I. artist with really good art, take one of his best drawings and trace the head over your drawing.

[Anonymous No.6629581]

>>6628477
>That said, there's got to be something they are doing that works like steroids for their account that they don't want the normies to know about.
Anon, there isn't some super secret magic steroid formula.
It's fake followers, follow4follows, circlejerking and erp'ing on discord and boosting each other's accounts, but the very critical point is that they do not draw like a 13 year old who just discovered what anime is but never looked at an anime picture.

1000 followers are nothing, when you average 20 likes per post and have no engagement whatsoever except by some other users who just want to advertise themselves by commenting hollow praise. Lewds/Porn is also easy mode, since you'll get kids and porn addicts to follow you without any issues.

And this shit isn't like a videogame where higher numbers automatically translates into doing good/better.

You want the reward without doing the work and also trying to find the super secret cheat, yet when anons who tell you the cheats you don't want to cheat because elton mosk has an algorithm in his dog's anus or something.

Start tracing
Buy bots
Draw the flavor of the month anime
Draw porn fanart of the big anime; One Piece, Demon Slayer, Motorized-axe-man.

You obviously don't care about art as a skill, since you made it clear that anons trying to point out that you need to work on ALL FUNDAMENTALS aren't helpful to you, but only see and care art as a means to get attention and potentially money; Just fucking cheat in every way then.
Everyone in the big leagues faked it until they made it and whoever says otherwise just doesn't want it to get out.
Honesty doesn't pay, never did and never will because as long as there are people who cheat, only cheating will pay off.

It actually would be funny if you kept this same skill level but managed to amass a huge following without cheating; would yet again prove that coomers have no standards.

[Anonymous No.6629582]

>>6629507
Hell, trace the whole drawing, AI art is public domain.

[Anonymous No.6629585]

>>6629421
kek

[Anonymous No.6629587]

>>6628450
>be op
>1000 followers
>autismo permabeg style anime
>posts frequently
>be me, 30 followers
>grinded fundies, grinded 3d modelling
>barely post anyway
What a clown world we live in.

[Anonymous No.6629599]

>>6628730
>>6628737
every fucking time some fag makes a thread about not having twitter followers the work looks like this. it's amazing how so many permabegs act the exact same way

[Anonymous No.6629601]

>mfw all the grinding barely got me 60 followers in two years

[Anonymous No.6629608]

>>6628450
Are autistics cursed to be permabeg? Are they fundamentally incapable of improving without someone else holding their hand?
Asking for a friend unironically

[Anonymous No.6629615]

Stop tarnishing autists reputation you retard

[Anonymous No.6629620]

>>6629608
It really depends. Generally, more intelligent ones can have normal or outstanding achievements, but even autistic people with more significant care needs can become fixated on processes that lead to what's socially recognized as technical mastery, e.g., copying photographs. What becomes more recognizably distinctive is when art becomes a means of accessing some other fixation, like Chris Chan or Sami Ways. There's no motive for improving the technical qualities of the art according to an outside reality, their only criteria for value is that it stimulates some fantasy for them. The result is that once the appropriate symbol drawing for pretty blonde lady or sonichu or whatever appears on the page, coherent enough to activate their fixation, the drawing becomes "good" and there's no reason to proceed any further. They also may not understand why other people would judge their art according to other merits, since for them anything that trips their trigger is roughly as good as any other thing. That's partially why you see so much shitty cartoon porn - it doesn't really need to be technically masterful to serve its function, so why would you put in the effort?

[Anonymous No.6629625]

>>6629608
Bro i dont know about all autists but i believe i am improving indeed. I think what autists mainly lack is self awareness and self critique habilities. Thank god i was late diagnosed so nobody indulged my autism too much, i had to learn to live

[Anonymous No.6629627]

>>6628450
>>6628785
are you seriously not self aware of your current skill level?
is it really possible to have this zero self awareness when you're browsing 4chan and twitter for around 2 1/2 years

[Anonymous No.6629631]

>>6629620
Appreciate the effortpost. My gf is autistic and she's improved bounds when it comes to painting absolutely anything except for people. I think you've hit the nail on the head with the "good enough" theory and symbol drawing.
>>6629625
Well hey good for you man

[Anonymous No.6629643]

First off, don't do this.

Second off, work on your fundies, or at least heads and faces or remain permabeg.

[Anonymous No.6629670]

I did a search for your name on Twitter and you really have got to stop shitposting so much on other tweets. You got shit on hard and people mocked your art. Bad look. I bet you would get more followers if you held back on posting about vaccines and FNAF some and worked more on improving your art.

[Anonymous No.6629687]

>>6628450
>Be you
>Joined Twitter on 2020
>1000+ followers
>Be me
>Joined Twitter 2017
>160- followers
I guess happy number going up isn't always enough. With that being said, if all you care about is your follower count then I'd recommend you listen to the anons who told you how to game the algorithm.

[Anonymous No.6629692]

>>6628450
If this sort of shit can get 1000 followers i guess is shouldn't feel too bad about my art after all

[Anonymous No.6629713]

Cmon man, you can't tell?

[Anonymous No.6629739]

>>6629222
Looks like Gabe but better

[Anonymous No.6629827]

an attempt was made

[Anonymous No.6629882]

>>6629222
>>6629739
YEAH i was about to say basically the same thing lmao

[Anonymous No.6629904]

>>6629827
come on man you really needed to flex on an autistic beginner?

[Anonymous No.6630215]

>>6629904

I'm not mean or sociopathic enough to coddle them and tell them to "Keep going, eventually you'll get famous!".

They posted here looking for advice, they got advice and then they said "No, that's the wrong advice, I just want to be popular."

I'm genuinely not evil enough to tell them to ignore the criticism in this thread and waste the rest of their life stuck in /beg/ tier, chris chan art. Besides auts make some great artists if they listen and apply themselves.

Work on your fundementals, especially the head and proportions, gesture is a good place to start because some of the poses look stiff. Learn to draw realistically before trying an anime style. Good luck.

[Imadeuqom No.6630297]

What are you complaining abouy mate???
I am struggling to get to 300.
Damn, i wont be able to open suscriptions until 500 and it feels like a high reach.
I would be in heaven with 1k

[Anonymous No.6630455]

>>6628450
you need to LARP as a cute autistic female, post fake photos as well...the rest will take care of itself.

[Anonymous No.6630461]

>>6628450
>>6628477
bro, your art is bad. Like I'm sorry but it's just bad. And I'm not going to pmw because I was mean here and I'm sorry about that but it genuinely looks like a high schooler drew it. Learn to draw, then worry about your socials. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.6630632]

>>6628450
>https://twitter.com/DarkAspie
>>6630461
This anon is right. Your art is genuinely unpleasant to look at. Study what makes the pictures you like APPEALING and try to copy APPEAL.

[Anonymous No.6630645]

>>6629687
>>6629692
Just do what op did and what >>6629507
suggested. Anime is all that matters. Even shitty anime will surpass non-anime art. Go onnnnichaaan nng!

[Anonymous No.6630817]

Op is baiting, most likely with some random low functioning autists stuff, they have another thread too
>>6625352
I'm too lazy to check if there's more

[Anonymous No.6630824]

>>6628450
>barely 1,000 followers to my name
>tfw only 20 followers

[Anonymous No.6631219]

>>6630297
That's awesome coloring and art. Have you tired the advice the OP said didn't work?

Also, maybe start a different account and make SFW art. Use a different name. Think of it as a different brand.

[Anonymous No.6631231]

I think there is a luck factor involved.
This is not a flex, and I more ashamed to admit this, but I have over four thousand followers. I don't really know how to draw.

I post infrequently because I get discouraged.
I don't even know how to draw hair.
I've only really drawn front faces.

But for some reason, I have 4,290 followers.

Facebook, not twitter.

[Anonymous No.6631343]

>>6629625
I do feel deranged at times, like I literally can't understand what makes my art appealing or not appealing. I just can't relate to how someone else would see it.
All I can do is wave at everything and say it's probably shit in some way I can't understand, but I have no idea.

I just try to do the best I can.

[Anonymous No.6631356]

>>6628450
why do you draw coom garbage? nobody wants that

[Anonymous No.6631361]

>>6631356
Cause op is souless, brainwashed, braindead zoomer.

[Anonymous No.6631382]

>>6631361

[Anonymous No.6631386]

>>6631361
>>6631382
have some joyful penguins

[Anonymous No.6631388]

>>6631382

[Anonymous No.6631396]

>>6631382
>>6631386
Ai hands hmmmmmm.

[Anonymous No.6631480]

>>6631396
is AI in the room with us right now?

[Anonymous No.6631482]

>>6628785
most people here aren't making fun of you, they've been where you are and they can see exactly what level you're on. You can't see just how much further there is to go before you can start blaming the algorithm. You're still learning, we all are. You need to forget about followers and appreciate the ones you do have, while working to improve.
You have as many followers as your level dictates, the system is working. you have potential and you can get better.

[Anonymous No.6631484]

>>6629904
its weird that someone else responded.

I was mainly expected to get called dunning-kruger to be honest. although I can't say that I didn't want to flex, but mainly I wanted to try and figure out what my objection to these were and its easier for my own purposes to have made an attempt to draw it myself, and also I found the process to be fun.

many of the images relating to the OP felt at least partially traced. the cranium is almost always too small relative to their facial features. There are some semblance of preferences in terms of subject being selected and how they were depicted, but I felt they lack their own ideas, as if the artist is not really intellectually engaged with content. Often times it is interesting ideas that engaged an audience that causes something to go viral, and having multiple of these ideas causes other people who like them to follow you. Unfortunately I honest don't have any idea what would make something that spreads organically. ideally you will want to come up with something like that which align with your own interest and tastes. to approach it from a quantitative perspective rather than meaningful engagement with like minded individuals is putting cart before the horse.

[Imadeuqom No.6631517]

>>6631219
Thanks!
I have a SFW account, but it has half the following . I still have a few things to try out like art raffles or doing a "draw this in your style" from a more popular artist.
Hope that works.

[Anonymous No.6631544]

imagine not drawing romantic slices of life, only 130+ iq enjoyers can see the $$ potential

[Anonymous No.6631599]

>>6629601
That's seriously impressive. I couldn't imagine being able to do what you did. I don't think I could find anyone who would be able to. You're special, anon!

[Anonymous No.6631673]

>>6631544
What?

[Anonymous No.6631675]

>>6628450
Analysis: Unappealing Art
Solution: Improve your art skills

[Anonymous No.6631706]

>>6631544
I need to start doing this kind of thing (but with yuri)

[Anonymous No.6631707]

>>6631482
The thing about art is that you really never stop learning, there is no real end point to this. The problem with OP is that he seemingly never even started nor will he, judging by his replies.

[Anonymous No.6631708]

>>6631544
niche with potential

[Anonymous No.6631902]

It seems that your 1000 followers have inflated your ego to the point where you think you're the shit and don't need to improve your art.
Well, the world will teach you otherwise, chud. God luck.

[Anonymous No.6631973]

>>6628450
lmao nigger do you really expect me to read all of that? Try to not use reddit spacing next time.

[Anonymous No.6631975]

>>6631544
Shhh. Don't let them know our secret.

[Anonymous No.6632095]

>>6628477
honestly im surprised you managed to get the amount you have

[Anonymous No.6632491]

>>6628450
>>6628477
Practice faces until you can draw them cute or attractive. Just draw nothing but faces for a while. The face is the most important part so it's the best bang-for-your-buck as far as quality:effort goes.

[Anonymous No.6632736]

>>6628450
you're polishing turds, back to pencil work

[Anonymous No.6632742]

>>6628477
Have you tried drawing better?

[Anonymous No.6632774]

>>6630297
Your boobs are boring and your neck is fucked up. Frankly, neck is not that much of a problem but the boobs are a crime. If you are going to draw coom at least do it right. Not surprising people don't want to follow you if your boobs are like this.

[Anonymous No.6632790]

>>6632736
I agree with this guy. Props to you for showing us your stuff but your drawings suck. You're just not at the stage where you share your stuff with consumers. Go back to training and don't worry about this shit for now.

[Anonymous No.6632818]

>>6630824
>tfw 60 followers
>all artists that I'm personally a fan of
>10-20 likes per post
It's a comfy feeling

[Anonymous No.6632908]

>>6632095
That's because he did literally everything except improve his drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.6632912]

>>6632818
You could be better. Stop beinf comfortable and step out of your comfort zone

[Anonymous No.6633204]

>>6629608
Because improvement requires experimenting and trying new things, autism fags are unable to do this because of autism, the moment something breaks their routine they crumble like a pile of ash.

[Imadeuqom No.6633876]

>>6632774
Yeah, gotta step up my tit game.
Working on it

[Anonymous No.6635765]

>>6628730
Holy fuck I just finished watching Tomo is a girl, and this makes me want to vomit. Hope this is a troll drawing

[Anonymous No.6636549]

>>6629214
You want to help turn OP into a chrischan, some lolCow?

You don't need to, he's doing that all by himself.

[Anonymous No.6636613]

>>6628450
>>6628450
Trust the process, do not stop studying the fundamentals of drawing. After 3 years of practicing (I was never consistent) I decided to open a Twitter account and publish my practices, my third practice got good statistics (450views, 32likes, 7 retweets) and I still have a lot to improve. Cheer up and don't stop studying and practicing.

[Anonymous No.6636905]

>>6628450
Besides learning to draw better and being more sociable, I recommend this:

Learn to tell stories and write them besides each pic (or in the tweet or tweets accompanying them).
Stand alone drawings barely tell anything to the audience so their sexual appeal depends too much on the art's quality... which in your case is still far from being enough for most people. So instead, learn to draw very short stories, plots or dialogues for your drawings (without having to make a comic) so the viewer can enjoy them more by having a context or actions or dialogues happening. When you add context, for the viewer each pic becomes a "scene" (or part of one), which makes things much more interesting and alluring than just watching characters having sex or in the nude.

I'll even give you an extreme example: there was upon a time a japanese artist that was SO SHITTY that he couldn't even reach the average /beg/ standard of quality. But that didn't stop him, and instead he became a sort of a novelist, or more precisely a visual novel creator, using his (extremely rudimentary) drawings as its character stands and CGs for the sex scenes. The name of his 1-man-army dev circle was/is STARWORKS.
And back to today, the guy has improved both his drawing and game developing skills MASSIVELY and has currently a niche but very loyal fanbase, despite having deleted/unlisted all his all games and novels some time ago.

<<<<< This is an example from his first works (from around 2008)

[Anonymous No.6636911]

>>6636905
And this is from his latest work (2023).

So, OP, I'm not saying you should become a novelist or visual novel creator, but writing dialogues and a bit or story and posting them alongside your art is very likely to make it much more interesting I think.

[Anonymous No.6636916]

>>6636911
>>6636905
And these are from a work he made in 2021.

[Anonymous No.6636920]

>>6636916
Notice OP the importance of IMPROVING YOUR ART with time.
Even though he gained a following back when he couldn't draw nearly as good as this, if you never improve your popularity will always have a short ceiling, so while being more sociable on Twitter can help, no amount of shilling or online personality can replace learning to draw better.

[Anonymous No.6637408]

>>6633876
One bit of advice: the dark, thin lines below the areola are jarring and make the nips look 2d. It is generally a soft/subtle (left), sometimes barely noticeable (2nd from left) value change to the skin. If it's not it's because the whole thing is dark (3rd from left). Even when it's high contrast its not enough to be a represented as a black line (right).

[Anonymous No.6637469]

>>6636905
>Learn to tell stories and write them besides each pic (or in the tweet or tweets accompanying them).
Stand alone drawings barely tell anything to the audience so their sexual appeal depends too much on the art's quality... which in your case is still far from being enough for most people. So instead, learn to draw very short stories, plots or dialogues for your drawings (without having to make a comic) so the viewer can enjoy them more by having a context or actions or dialogues happening. When you add context, for the viewer each pic becomes a "scene" (or part of one), which makes things much more interesting and alluring than just watching characters having sex or in the nude.
I'll give a great example of this: go to gelbooru (or your favorite booru) and search the "2koma" tag.

In only 2 panels (possibly the shortest type of comic there is) two simple images become (to the viewer/reader) a full fledged scene, usually told in a "before-after" fashion, which highly stimulates the audience imagination since the human brain has a very strong tendency to fill the gaps (i.e. the reason why comics or sequential art works).
E.g. the most famous type of 2koma, "instant loss 2koma" became huge a few years ago and even today is still popular.

P.S While this does not replace the need for better art, it sure as help can help make your porn art stand out, as it gives you the opportunity to tell a porn scene with not a lot of effort required, and people greatly prefer porn scenes over just pictures (see: most porn is sold as comics, games or novels, not pin-ups).

<<< E.g.
Upper panel text: You scums...!
Atone with your life!

Bottom panel text: I'm terribly s-sorry... I beg of you, please, spare my life...

See how effective it is?

[Anonymous No.6637474]

>>6628450
it looks like shit and even having a story alongside it would not save it. Yes it'd help but by god bro.

[Anonymous No.6637578]

>>6637474
Yes, OP must improve his art no matter what.
But to do that he'll need to get and remain motivated and keep drawing and learning.

If it makes OP feel better, this is art from Starworks' first visual novel, which believe it or not was bought (with real money) by people.
The trick? The artist found a niche and worked on that (despite ugly bastard visual novels having some popularity since the mid-90s with Elf's Isaku). OP doesn't have to draw that, but there has to be a niche that he likes that he can cater to.

[Anonymous No.6637603]

>>6637578
the niche of moving the fuck on if he's been at this for years and it still looks like shit. If he really wants to keep this going he should lean in on AI, otherwise he's just wasting time and stressing himself. No amount of retarded hugboxing and motivation will help this guy, his fucking nickname is literally "Aspie" and the post itself looks like bait, its surprising that its actually real

[Anonymous No.6637607]

>>6637578
and yes I know about the VN scene and the shit that flies there, the pic you posted looks way better than OP's doodles.

[Anonymous No.6637636]

>>6637578
Or to put it in simpler words: anime pin-ups are a dime a dozen (specially FOTM waifus).

And finally, I think people underestimate the THIRST of some people and the kind of shitty art they'd put with as long as its part of a piece of fiction that hits the checkboxes they really like.
E.g. This patreon porn game has 49 patrons
https://www.patreon.com/historiaerotica

However, this is NO EXCUSE to not improve. But giving up because his art looks like shit would be worse.

>>6637603
>the niche of moving the fuck on if he's been at this for years and it still looks like shit
Wrong. Even the worst artists improve with time (even if at a snail pace). But he HAS to go to the video course general >>6617938 , download some books and courses from the torrent and study the fucking fundamentals instead of wasting his time on /asg/.

>If he really wants to keep this going he should lean in on AI
AI art is pointless. I'm assuming OP wants to "create" art, not have a machine do it for him.

>No amount of retarded hugboxing and motivation will help this guy
We can't know that. But I believe its better than telling him to just give up before he even tries to learn seriously (reading books, watching courses and practicing).

>>6637607
Would you like to see something even worse?

[Anonymous No.6637644]

>>6637607
Ok you asked for it.

<<<<< This son of a bitch has 49 patrons.
49 poor souls are paying, at minimum, 49 US DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR THIS.

[Anonymous No.6637653]

>>6637644
And he most likely traces (sorry, "heavily references") porn movies for the better looking (yet conspicuosly inconsistent with the rest) poses.

There're people who'd put with anything.

[Anonymous No.6637664]

>>6637644
>>6637653
So OP better suck it up and go learn how to draw. Worst case scenario he'll end like that dev.

[Anonymous No.6637666]

>>6637644
the furtive pygmy...

[Anonymous No.6637682]

>>6637644
it looks way better than OP's art still, are you blind?

>>6637636
idk if you're trying to shill some paid course or just extremely fucking retarded
>AI
he can just draw and the sketch himself and have the machine improve it for him. I know you're retarded but just because you put a chicken in the oven instead of lighting a fire in the middle of your house to carefully roast it, it doesn't mean you didn't cook it.
I dont know what the fuck is wrong with some of you that you absolutely must hugbox, the concept of someone being shit at something and giving up is so unacceptable to you that you'd rather have someone waste his entire life producing trash. God forbid he uses the tools at his disposal either, he should go sculp his art on a cave wall cause technology is evil

[Anonymous No.6637707]

>>6637636
>But he HAS to go to the video course general >>6617938 , download some books and courses from the torrent and study the fucking fundamentals instead of wasting his time on /asg/.
And on that note, he absolutely should read "Keys to Drawing" (the best book for total beginners/people who suffer from permabegness) and watch the "Dynamic Sketching" course by Peter Han (Ideal for total beginners who can't even draw a straight line right), "The Art and Science of Drawing" by Brent Eviston (Probably the BEST course for total begs) and
Marshall Vandruff's Perspective video course.

The problem many people in general and on this board suffer, is that they want to jump to draw anime BEFORE they can even draw at all.

>>6637682
>telling people to try to learn seriously BEFORE giving up is "hugboxing"
This guy. OP clearly has never touched a drawing manual in his life, just look at his art for fuck's sake.

>the concept of someone being shit at something and giving up is so unacceptable to you that you'd rather have someone waste his entire life producing trash
As opposed to what, becoming yet another AI nigger churning out trash that literally nobody wants because anyone can prompt whatever AI image they want?

>God forbid he uses the tools at his disposal either, he should go sculp his art on a cave wall cause technology is evil
AI """"artist"""" cope.

[Anonymous No.6637713]

>>6637682
>it looks way better than OP's art still, are you blind?
Than the first 3 pics? Nah.

<<< This is the last pic OP made according to Pixiv.

[Anonymous No.6637716]

So OP, you've NO FUCKING EXCUSE, go learn how to draw -> >>6617938

[Anonymous No.6637728]

>>6637707
bro it seems to me OP has been trying for a bit, if he's too retarded to actually get the idea of following a course idk if he can follow any.
>AI
like it or not but you cant really stop progress, might wanna get over being butthurt sooner rather than later, especially if you're going to tell people to waste their time - OP can already draw well enough to put these sketches into controlnet and turn them into something that looks decent without toiling for another year to look like the garbage VN art the other guy has posted while everyone else produces shit that's actually enjoyable to look at.
I really like soul and good amateurish styles but OP's art makes me want to poke my eyes out, theres things some people will just never be good at.
>becoming yet another AI nigger churning out trash
his alternative is putting in effort and time to churn out even worse trash

>>6637713
that pic is actually pretty decent somehow, seems like blind luck though considering the other 2 out of his 3 newest still look horrid.

[Anonymous No.6637795]

>>6637728
>bro it seems to me OP has been trying for a bit
He clearly hasn't read and put to practice any book or course. "Just drawing" i.e. learning purely by trial and error is the longest, most inefficient way to learn anything. The "just draw" meme has somehow fucked over a lot of people, specially autists like OP who can't get the subtext of it.

OP needs a roadmap? He should copy and use the magnet link (with their favorite torrent client) at the Video Course general >>6617938 and download at the very least the courses in the folders "Fundies" (Fundamentals, mostly for Brent Eviston), "Form and Construction" (Peten Han's course) and from the "Perspective" folder the Marshall Vandruff Perspective Drawing Series (i.e. the 101 for total beginners on perspective).
And as for books get Keys to Drawing, and Perspective Made Easy (after watching Vandruff).
These will teach you the FUNDAMENTALS that everyone needs to be able to draw without royally fucking up. And yes, all of this BEFORE learning "Figure Drawing" (See: Vilppu, Morpho, Scott Eaton, Michael Hampton, pick whoever you want) and WAY BEFORE trying to seriously draw anime.
Drawing the human figure is one of the hardest things to learn and it's something that is better tackled AFTER learning the fundamentals of drawing in general, otherwise it's NO WONDER his art looks bad.

>ike it or not but you cant really stop progress
Ordering a machine to churn out trash will never make you an artist or be able to CREATE art.

Btw, here's why your food analogy (we know you're fat) is wrong:
With AI art you're not cooking anything, you're ORDERING SOMEONE (in this case a machine) TO COOK FOR YOU. Buying Dominos doesn't mean you cooked the pizza, you dum-dum.

>his alternative is putting in effort and time to churn out even worse trash
Worst case scenario (i.e. that even after books and courses and practice he still can't learn how to draw well) it'd be trash of HIS OWN CREATION at least.

[Anonymous No.6637804]

>>6637728
>that pic is actually pretty decent somehow, seems like blind luck though considering the other 2 out of his 3 newest still look horrid.
I don't think it's blind luck. His Pixiv account has a few pictures that could be considered okay for a beginner, the problems (such as the head construction being too basic and thus tending to look "flat") become very apparent when OP tries to draw anything too complex for his current skill level. The lower right image on the OP pic being a very egrerious example of that.

To avoid such mistakes (and be able to correctly foreshorten limbs or draw two clashing tits for example) is that he needs to go relearn (more like learn) the basics and fundamentals and THEN read at least one book on figure drawing and anathomy.

There're no magic solutions, as AI, while being a technology that can generate art FOR the user, will never "scratch the itch" of people who actually want to create art.

[Anonymous No.6637810]

>>6637795
I like how you're completely ignoring how im saying he should feed his own sketches into the AI, not make things from scratch. It will be still his work if he uses his drawings as a base and refines it to be the way he wants it to be.
>Ordering a machine to churn out trash will never make you an artist or be able to CREATE art.
Good to know that you're the authority of what is and isn't art, wonder who decided it though.
>(we know you're fat)
you dont have to remind me that you're retarded. Writing alot of words doesnt make you seem smarter, its just a hassle to read through all of this pointless shit.
>with AI art you're ordering someone
no thats not quite correct, you're still the one writing the prompt, you're not just picking shit off the menu or describing things to someone like you would a commission.
>his own creation
you've no fucking clue what you're talking about if you believe putting in your own sketch and using AI to turn it into something else isn't your creation and by that logic all digital art would not be someone's creation either. Hell you could argue whether buying a pencil rather than manufacturing it to be exactly how you want it to be stops anything you draw with it from being "your" creation as "you" did not choose the exact way this pencil would draw or the very exact color it has down to the last detail. Dumbass.

>>6637804
even if he draws something good he doesnt seem to be able to be consistent at reproducing it though, even from the same angle sometimes the faces look passable, sometimes they look hideous. what is that if not blind luck, if he doesnt seem to understand what makes it good or how he's accomplished it in the first place.
>scratch the itch
I think it does it just fine provided the person actually does spend time finetuning and fixing it, sometimes even for hours on end like I've seen people do. I dunno where this misconception that the prompter is not the author comes from.

[Anonymous No.6637839]

>>6637810
>STILL missing the point
>still making EXCUSES for OP so he never learns how to draw
Look, I'm going to be 100% with you: you're fucking retarded.

OP, please ignore the AI nigger. He's either trying to crab you and make you quit or he's just another AI shill trying to justify to himself not doing the work.
You already know (or have enough information to decide) what to do, so go ahead and do it.
Best of lucks and never forget that drawing is doing you do out of passion for your own enjoyment.

Good bye.

[Anonymous No.6637842]

>>6637839
*is something you do out of passion

[Imadeuqom No.6638557]

>>6637408
Noted!
This is something i was trying to improve
Thanks for the advise

[Anonymous No.6641221]

>i wonder what people are saying about me
>google name
>no results

[Anonymous No.6641225]

>>6630824
>>6630824
20 here but I bounce from style to style and have bad anatomy so it's explainable. what is not explainable is op having 1000 other than it having a titty.

[Anonymous No.6641321]

>>6628450
>>6628477
>Or do I "break bad" so to speak and do whatever it takes to quickly rise in the social media algorithm without having to copy Sakimi-Chan, CuteSexyRobutts, or whoever's big in the social media art game these days?

>Yes, I've tried being "more social" on social media.

>Yes, I've tried cashing in on flavor of the month waifus and memes alike.

>Yes, I've experimented with some art pieces of mine.

>Yes, I've done freebie art pieces mainly as part of a giveaway.

>Yes, I've participated in art share threads.

>You name it, I've probably tried it.

[Anonymous No.6641342]

To OP and other /begs/, there's nothing wrong with drawing poorly. You have to draw to improve. So when anons shit on your art it doesn't mean "you shouldn't have drawn this", it just means to keep practicing. as long as you like your art, that's what counts.

[Anonymous No.6641355]

>>6628450
The problem is that your art is not appealing at all, I see it and there's nothing distinctive or special, it's pron and yet it doesn't gets muh dik hard. Don't feel bad about it, some people are born with a natural sense of appeal and some don't. No amount of grindan or practice can fix that, pic related this guy has zero appeal as well.

[Anonymous No.6641898]

>>6629692
this is why aislop is a good thing

[Anonymous No.6642118]

>>6631544
I don't understand, where should I put my penis?