/atsg/ - Anatomy Troubleshooting General

[Anonymous No.6581154]

FUCK forearms edition

>What is /atsg/?
/atsg/ is a thread where you can ask questions about anatomy, get redlines and paintovers, identify muscles and landmarks from photo references, and find resources and pointers to help you learn and improve
>Guidelines
- Ignore and report off-topic/troll posts. DO NOT REPLY!
- Keep feedback limited to anatomical knowledge rather than things like linework, style, etc.
- Don't just pyw and ask for a redline, try to ask specific questions about areas you're struggling with
>Recommended reading
Figure Drawing: Design and Invention - Michael Hampton
Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life - George Bridgman
Human Anatomy for Artists - Eliot Goldfinger
Morpho: Anatomy for Artists - Michel Lauricella
Stonehouse's Anatomy - Seok Jung Hyun
Anatomy for Sculptors - Sandis Kondrats and Uldis Zarins

previous thread: >>6544623

[Anonymous No.6581166]

How important is it to know each and every neck muscle? Can I just continue to fake it to make it by just focusing on the SCM, traps, and midline?

[Anonymous No.6581171]

>>6581166
Depends on how realistic you wanna get. I think you're fine just knowing the muscles outlined in Hogarth's book (sternocleidomastoid, trapcs, etc.)

[Anonymous No.6581531]

>>6581154
God bless this thread

[Anonymous No.6581543]

>>6581166
Imo you should know the muscles that shape the body and rely on your observation skills from figure drawing for the rest. It's also good to know some theory like how your muscles & bones work, what happens when you're in a certain position.
But if you go full nerd and want to accurately represent everything you're gonna have "stiff" art, intuition should always be the main lead when you draw.

[Anonymous No.6581586]

>>6581166
the more you know the more you can play with it without sucking at it

[Anonymous No.6582106]

am i supposed to go through morpho simplified anatomy before the big 600 page version?

[Anonymous No.6582316]

>>6582106
600 page? is that the anatomy for artists?

anyways Id say go over simplified anatomy if you still struggle with placing simple objects (like eggshaped ribs or box shaped pelvises or tube arms) but if you are comfortable with that, I see no reason for why you shouldnt jump into anatomy for artists

[Anonymous No.6582730]

>>6582106
It's up to you, I'd say get both and use the big one as reference while you copy the simplified one

[Anonymous No.6582804]

What are the biggest leg muscles I should learn first? Limbs are my biggest weakness right now but I don't want to end up overwhelmed by tons of smaller muscles.

[Anonymous No.6582805]

>>6582804
Quads (vastus lateralis, rectus femoris, vastus medialis)
Sartorius (very important rhythm)
Adductor group (gracilis creates important rhythm)
Biceps femoris
Tensor fascia latae (the "delt" of the leg)
Gluteus med + max
Iliotibial band
Kneecap anatomy
Soleus + gastrocnemius

[Anonymous No.6582808]

>>6582805
Got it, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6582843]

any good ressources to become an armpit master?

[Anonymous No.6582847]

>>6582843
I'm also interested in this.

[Anonymous No.6584322]

>>6581154
Forearms are weird, but the chest and the shoulders are so much worse.

[Anonymous No.6584641]

>>6581154
Redpill me on Anatomy for Sculptors,is it any good?Should I make it my main book on learning anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6584670]

>>6584641
IMO, overpriced, get stonehouse to learn the ins and outs of anatomy, bridgman to learn to draw it.

[Anonymous No.6584676]

>>6584670
>overpriced
LMAO >>6554122

>>6584641
Imo, it's best at just getting to the point without going on any pointless tangents. Also the highest ratio of pictures to text.

[Anonymous No.6584770]

>>6582843
learn the anatomical name for it and all the muscles that attach there. it's a complicated area combined with the shoulder girdle and the pecs connecting to the humerus from the front, the lats and the teres major from the back. you can't really look at it in isolation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axilla

[Anonymous No.6586228]

what causes this bump that I often see

[Anonymous No.6586230]

other angle

[Anonymous No.6586232]

helperino brehs

[Anonymous No.6586248]

>>6586228
reach up with one arm and use the other to feel your back. what rotates?

[Anonymous No.6586259]

>>6586228
That’s the inferior angle of the scapula. Teres major’s attachment adds bulk, and latissimus dorsi is passing over it there.

[Anonymous No.6586289]

>>6586248
>>6586259
thank anons

[Anonymous No.6586340]

>>6586232
is this the sketch or do you have a layer below it?

[Anonymous No.6586670]

>>6586232
>Don't just pyw and ask for a redline, try to ask specific questions about areas you're struggling with

[Anonymous No.6586757]

>>6586670
i think everything's wrong with it, just change the pose etc until it looks good
please this shit has been sitting in my folder for years and i have no idea how to fix it

[Anonymous No.6586769]

>>6586757
Ask /salt/ not /atsg/

[Anonymous No.6589444]

Bump

[Anonymous No.6589521]

could I get feedback on the abs? this is my third attempt at drawing it but it looks so off compared to the rest of the body that Idrew

[Anonymous No.6589549]

>>6589521
…..i have no idea what I”m doing lololol, but to me there’s nothingw rongw with your abs. I think the outer “shape” of your figure could use work, like, he’s too thicccc

[Anonymous No.6589581]

>>6589549
thanks for the redline, looks super cool. I made him thinner/made the lower torso smaller

[Anonymous No.6589773]

>>6589581
nta but I think maybe your problem is that your abs are "pointing" down when they usually point kind of up? if that makes sense

[Anonymous No.6589874]

>>6589773
guess so? I mainly did it cause one of my favourite artists draws superman like that and also cause I liked the V shape of it. I should experiment some more though, but I do like the idea of multiple ab formations to differantiate between different characters

[Anonymous No.6589876]

>>6589874
>>6589874
Hmm, you're right. Honestly abs give me a lot of trouble I shouldn't have even tried to give feedback

[Anonymous No.6589878]

>>6589876
I wouldnt say that, your drawing did help me realize that he was a bit too wide and where he was too wide

got any more drawings?

[Anonymous No.6589887]

>>6589878
The page I posted is from Anatomy for Sculptors
there was an ab thread recently:
>>/ic/thread/S6586946

[Anonymous No.6589895]

>>6589887
I meant more as in, have you posted your work in other places before. thanks for the link anyways

[Anonymous No.6589897]

I thought I knew my anatomy, but doing this made me realize I know jack diddly squat

[Anonymous No.6590231]

Can anyone help me with this photo? Is that actually a pelvis? I have never seen it being that pronounced before.

[Anonymous No.6590236]

>>6586757
>please this shit has been sitting in my folder for years and i have no idea how to fix it
just throw it away then and draw the same pose with some photo reference
If its been sitting around for years you should have gotten much better in that time and have no use for old sketches anymore

[Anonymous No.6590264]

>>6590231
Learn your bony landmarks. You missed the illiac crest. Pelvis on females are much wider for reproductive purposes.

[Anonymous No.6590273]

>>6590231
It's the inguinal ligament, the iliac crest does not extend that far forward.

[Anonymous No.6590313]

>>6590264
>>6590273
Damn it I didn't even know such a thing exists. And I was fooled by its appearance. The more you know! But what does it look so visible on the model? I just checked Anatomy for sculptors and it doesn't even mention inguinal ligament.
I apologize if the questions are stupid.

[Anonymous No.6590316]

>>6590313
Most artistic anatomy books don't cover ligaments, just relevant surface anatomy and anatomy that have a macro influence on surface forms. Robert Beverly Hale mentions it, it's where I learned about it. It's also called Poupart's ligament.

https://youtu.be/594zqR3uEOQ?t=960

Timestamped for your convenience. It's a good series overall, I recommend it.

[Anonymous No.6590348]

>>6589895
Oh, I'm not the anon you were talking to (nta = not that anon)
Here's some of my work

[Anonymous No.6590454]

>>6590313
I think, the inguinal ligament is just assumed to be the edge of the lower abs, so anatomy books don’t mention it explicitly

[Anonymous No.6590733]

>>6590348
nta, but do you have something finished we can look at?

[Anonymous No.6592728]

>>6590733
honestly not really, why?

[Anonymous No.6592864]

>>6592728
*shrug* just because.

[Anonymous No.6593499]

i just cleared my bookmarks, what are those figure drawing sites before?
I remember line of action but there was that one with 3d models with muscles not sure if it was a japanese site

[Anonymous No.6593523]

>>6593499
posemaniacs

[Anonymous No.6593534]

>>6581154
Can somebody help me with the female torso? I try to make it appealing but it’s so hard to find a balance between bone showing and muscle

[Anonymous No.6593537]

>>6593534

[Anonymous No.6593912]

>>6593534
>>6593537
Try drawing fewer lumps.

[Anonymous No.6594108]

>>6593534
>>6593537
You look like you're applying to Calarts Character animation lol

[Anonymous No.6594440]

ree

[Anonymous No.6594441]

>>6594108
I looked it up and that shit nice I’ll take it as a compliment

[Anonymous No.6594461]

Trying to understand hips. plz understand i am beg.

[Anonymous No.6594511]

>>6594461
This is how I'd approach it, but I'm beg too so take it with a grain of salt. Morpho's simplified forms is probably the book you want to pick up. If someone could double check my greater trochanter area that would be great, but I think that it "dips" in around there (because no muscle/fat right on the bone) and the bulge you see is the medius (+fat) and the saddlebags on the thighs.

[Anonymous No.6594597]

>>6594511
The trochanter also makes a dip? I think it just makes a bulge.

[Anonymous No.6594610]

>>6594597
It depends on how the legs are positioned and how much fat/muscle the person has. I think.

[Anonymous No.6594620]

HOW DOES THE SHOULDER BLADES WORK
WHERE DOES IT CONNECT WHERE DOES IT SLIDE ON
IT MIGHT AS WELL BE RAYMAN HANDS TO ME

[Anonymous No.6594651]

>>6594620
It's about a hand length long, about 3 fingers down from the 7th cervical vertebrae, and yes it slides around a lot.

[Anonymous No.6595029]

>>6594620
>He hasn't drawn the skeleton from observation

[Anonymous No.6597634]

Can anyone help me with legs? I'm having a hard time making it not looking like chicken drumstick. Please don't laugh.

[Anonymous No.6597682]

>>6597634
Can you post the reference from which you're working?

[Anonymous No.6597690]

>>6597634
draw the pose from real pictures. you're too beg for anatomy to matter, idk why people like you post in these threads. you've probably never studied anatomy so open a book yourself

[Anonymous No.6597699]

>>6597682
I didn't find a reference for front facing view of a person squatting, so I didn't draw it from reference.
>>6597690
Sorry anon, should've posted on /beg/... I'll see myself out.

[Anonymous No.6597700]

>>6597699
Then find a reference

[Anonymous No.6597754]

>>6597699

[Anonymous No.6597783]

guys what the actual fuck picrel means

[Anonymous No.6598087]

>>6597783
stop referring to literal who sources of information in a language other than your own, it's fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.6599063]

Hey guys am I in the right for the pelvis here?

[Anonymous No.6599078]

>>6599063
Unless posterior pelvic tilt is present, the pelvis shouldn't be that straight. If it was then you would not see the curvature of the spine there, creating a gap between it and the surface that person is lying on.

[Anonymous No.6599086]

>>6599078
I see, if you don't mind, could you provide a redline for me? I really struggle with this one

[Anonymous No.6599160]

best routine/course/book for hands? I'm tired of having to rely on ref so much for them

[Anonymous No.6599170]

>>6599160
Will Weston said to copy through Bridgman's "Book of a hundred hands", from front to back, over and over and over again, repeatedly.

[Anonymous No.6599174]

what resources have you guys been using to learn? i started with hampton which helped me learn the general idea of shapes and form behind basic anatomy, then moved on to bridgman which has really helped me look at how to use those shapes and forms with some more accurate anatomical ideas to really learn what the muscles are and what they're doing

[Anonymous No.6599201]

>>6599160
draw fingers
https://files.catbox.moe/si7nri.webm

[Anonymous No.6599204]

>>6599170
>>6599201
thanks love you

[Anonymous No.6599533]

anyone care to explain to me how the abs work in this image? this is my figure drawing fo it (Ill post the ref image after), and I know I screwed up the orientation of the ribcage, but even if I did get it right, id still be confused

[Anonymous No.6599535]

>>6599533
ref image

[Anonymous No.6599954]

>>6599170
I love Will Weston so much

[Anonymous No.6599986]

>>6599535
This is how I would draw it

[Anonymous No.6599987]

>>6599986
Shit forgot the pic lol

[Anonymous No.6600005]

>>6599987
Me again, it's also possible he's leaning his torso away from the camera. In that case the ribcage would be more like this
Anyway hope this helped

[Anonymous No.6600185]

>>6599987
i know it's a simplification but it'd greatly help if you studied differences between male and female ribcages. the angle is nowhere near as sharp as that for the costal cartilage. that also explains where the abdominals connect and the general shape of the softer parts of the torso. you're completely missing the underlying structure by drawing the wrong shape so you're cutting through bone and muscle/or just plain incorrect

[Anonymous No.6600263]

>>6599987
I wasnt talking about the ribs being the problem, I only mentioned me screwing up the orientation so that would be out of the way. I wanted to know what was up with the abs and why they were sticking out

[Anonymous No.6600274]

>>6600185
Draw it then

[Anonymous No.6601320]

Could anyone tell me what's wrong with this hand/the fingers? It looks wrong, but I'm not sure why.

[Anonymous No.6601444]

>>6601320
Sorry, I'm using a mouse, you have him doing this weird karate hand thing instead of a fist

[Anonymous No.6601830]

>>6601444
Thank you so much, this is super helpful!

[Anonymous No.6602746]

Is there a “correct” way to study Bridgman?

[Anonymous No.6602774]

>>6602746
There are many correct ways, and only one wrong way.

[Anonymous No.6602893]

>>6602774
What’s the wrong way then?

[Anonymous No.6603131]

>>6602893
take a gander!

[Anonymous No.6603450]

>>6600263
Part of it might be because his pelvis seems slightly facing toward us causing a twist. Not sure if he’s squeezing his abs in his pose but he might be
Not entirely sure myself desu

[Anonymous No.6603651]

please i am retarded help me understand what is the point of this? i normally just skip this entirely

[Anonymous No.6603679]

>>6603651
Touch the side of your head.

[Anonymous No.6603705]

>>6603651
fuck off, this isn't a thread for spoonfeeding. read and think yourself. every zoomer says "i'm retarded please explain this to me" without ever trying anything for themselves

[Anonymous No.6603821]

>>6603679
>>6603705

[Anonymous No.6604735]

>>6603651
>>6603821

[Anonymous No.6605522]

>>6604735
What's this supposed to prove?

[Anonymous No.6605527]

anything I'm doing wrong? Having trouble below the waist

[Anonymous No.6605569]

>>6605527
You're doing fine. I would maybe consciously try to indicate the bones more, as it'll give your figures a better shape. Collarbones are especially important, and the knee area is entirely bone.

I need to learn more about bones myself.

[Anonymous No.6605586]

>>6605569
Shit that's good, I'm putting clothes on top but figured if I have a good underlying the clothes will look better. How long have you been doing figure drawing to get to be that skilled.

[Anonymous No.6605612]

>>6605586
tyy, I've been drawing 7 years, but I wasted at least 3 of those not studying properly / being lazy about my progress. You can improve way faster than me if you study right

Also, you're right that drawing the clothed figure depends on a good understanding of the nude underneath

[Anonymous No.6605646]

>>6605612
I see, what methods did you find improved your figure drawing skills the most. Or if you could do it all over again what would you focus on?

[Anonymous No.6605652]

>>6605646
Well I'm so glad you asked! I would tell myself to do this guide: https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

And watch these streams:
https://youtu.be/7ukExmlSRWU
https://youtu.be/atXd2HbHYO8
https://youtu.be/Z2CZKX089w0

But to get into more specifics, I didn't do enough "longer" studies. I did mostly short gestures, and I never learned to observe my reference properly. I wanted to be a storyboard artist for a while, so I got stuck in that "shorthand" way of working, to the detriment of my skills. If you want to be a comic artist or illustrator, you have to do longer studies and learn to accurately copy your reference. Even if you want to draw from imagination, copying well is still the first step. Without accuracy, nothing works.

[Anonymous No.6606187]

>>6605652
thanks for the tips, Im gonna watch the videos. I saw the guide before but maybe I should take it more seriously now.

[Anonymous No.6606203]

any euro bros? thoughts on Jeno Barcsay book ?

[Anonymous No.6606239]

>>6606203
you don't have to be euro to know or use the book, dumb mentality. try it out for yourself if you want. mostly seems people who want to be contrarian not using the other books. it's a fine enough resource, i didn't care for a lot of the drawing style. rather use richer and the english resources like bridgman, hale, peck, or morpho for drawing from

[Anonymous No.6606739]

>>6606239
>mostly seems people who want to be contrarian not using the other books
No I just found a cheap used. I can't draw from the screen

[Anonymous No.6606765]

>>6606203
>>6606739
I dislike the drawings, but Vilppu praises it. It has very solid drawings and rendering. I know wuf, a famous /ic/ anon, used and recommended the book.

I recommend just copying the images to learn from it.

[Anonymous No.6606904]

anybody got any good tips / infographs on proportioning head, chest, waist and hips? preferable female

[Anonymous No.6606907]

>>6606904
Loomis

[Anonymous No.6606979]

>>6606904
open a book

[Anonymous No.6608319]

>>6606187
gmi

[Anonymous No.6608350]

>>6606979
do I look like I know how to read?

[Anonymous No.6608371]

>>6590231
>>6590273
>>6590313
>>6590316

>>6590454 this anon is correct. As it is a ligament it does not provide any muscle mass. What we're looking at is either the internal oblique or the transverse oblique pushing out through the external oblique. I can't remember quite which (might be both) but it doesn't really matter so long as you're familiar with the shapes created. If you want pictures where this area is super developed for study i suggest looking at swimmers. This is what is commonly referred to as the swimmer's V

[Anonymous No.6608510]

Does anything look off? I'm mainly having trouble doing hips and legs

[Anonymous No.6608535]

>>6608510
I think you've got a nice framework to work from there. If this was my drawing and I was moving forward with it these are some steps I would take. Just remember, women have curves and sometimes its in the subtlety cause not all women are super curvy but they all got curves unless they're anorexic. Obviously alot of this is personal preference but whatever.

[Anonymous No.6608560]

>>6608535
omfg really helpful! Thanks! I was also struggling with neck width :)

[Anonymous No.6608566]

>>6608535
so beautiful

[Anonymous No.6608569]

>>6608560
happy to help
>>6608566
ty

[Anonymous No.6609743]

can anyone identify the blue and green in this image?
i think the blue is the scapula and the green is the clavicle am i correct? i just want to make sure i am understanding what im looking at.

[Anonymous No.6609747]

>>6609743
green is the acromion process, which is a part of the scapula. It's a spine that comes off of it.

[Anonymous No.6609748]

>>6609743
that whole thing is the scapula. What you might be thinking is the clavicle is called the coracoid process. It's what your bicep connects to.

[Anonymous No.6609756]

>>6609743
read the text

[Anonymous No.6612122]

>>6581154
I'm hoping this is the correct thread..
What are the best places to look for reference charts for expressions of female cartoon or anime characters, eyes, nose, mouth.

If there's guides, even better.

[Anonymous No.6614651]

>>6612122
manga

[Anonymous No.6615612]

>>6614651
I was more asking for reference images / collections like pic related I found.
Artbooks are obvious but I was looking for more for eyes / mouth / noses and expressions in general specifically with multiple examples on the same page.

But yeah, obviously I look out for stuff in comics / mangas as well.

[Anonymous No.6616037]

>>6615612
this book

[Anonymous No.6616098]

>>6590348
Lighting the forms is hiding that your contruction/volumetrics lack clarity and intent.

[Anonymous No.6617046]

Why are all reference images directly from the front?
I have no goddamn idea how any muscle groups are supposed to connect/look like when the body is seen from below
biggest problems include
-Lats (times a hundred)
-Pecs (and nipples)
-Glutes
-obligues
And how the torso loks like when it's being obscured by the pelvis area

[Anonymous No.6617414]

>>6617046
doggystyle porn

[Anonymous No.6617607]

>>6617046
those are all more issues of foreshortening/perspective and figure drawing. there's no way to get every angle and focal length you want for them. your best bet is practicing drawing the muscles over simple primitives like blocks/rectangular prisms. it doesn't have to be perfect, just "good enough". try to eventually draw the surface muscles themselves without needing the underlying construction since you'll know which muscles connect to other muscles as you go down the body and you'll already know the perspective on them based on the last muscle groups you drew. it's just a grind unfortunately

[Anonymous No.6618117]

>>6586228
The scapula

[Anonymous No.6618207]

>>6616098
Could you show me what you mean?

[Anonymous No.6618632]

>>6617046
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.6621324]

bump

[Anonymous No.6621508]

>>6616098
It does the opposite. Lighting forms amplifies the mistakes in your construction.

[Anonymous No.6621875]

>>6582843
Feel the smell

[Anonymous No.6621881]

>>6598087
BUT IMAGINE IT'S THE ULTIMATE SECRET TO GITGOOD FFS

[Anonymous No.6621888]

>>6599160
Bucci recently released a second video

>>6615612
I bought this book more or less randomly >>6616037 so far I've been able to refer frequently when designing facial expressions

>>6617046
>Why are all reference images directly from the front?
Because most references were made for fine art, not degenerate porn.
> Oh no.

[Anonymous No.6622239]

Having trouble figuring out out to place the leg, any help would be greatly appreciated

[Anonymous No.6624571]

can anyone help me redline the muscles and bones here?

[Anonymous No.6624587]

>>6624571
the redlines are for YOUR work. open a book

[Anonymous No.6624590]

>>6624587
i can visualize the latissimus dorsi, but i have no idea whatthe rest is

[Anonymous No.6624594]

>>6624590
Retard.

[Anonymous No.6624595]

>>6624590
traps, delts, scapula, and a hint of deltoid. go study

[Anonymous No.6624596]

>>6624595
i forgot to mention, erector spinae

[Anonymous No.6624603]

>>6624595
>>6624596
redline it, tard

[Anonymous No.6624605]

>>6624603
try drawing it first lmao

[Anonymous No.6624854]

I am reading Morpho. I am on page 30 of Simplified Forms right now. Did a little re-cap of all the muscles so far, is this correct?

[Anonymous No.6624870]

>>6624571
Dress her up, problem solved

>>6622239
Pick a mirror, a chair, mimic the pose, and try to find a way to understand what's happening / sketch

[Anonymous No.6626443]

what knee construction do you guys use? i tried studying it today but i couldn't figure out a good method

[Anonymous No.6627080]

>>6605652
>copy bridgman twice
I've seen this here a few times
what kinda confused me is this line in your first link:
>Look at the picture, close the book, and do your best.
Am I supposed to only briefly look at the pictures then draw them from memory? Is one supposed to sometimes employ this when drawing from photo reference too?

By the way your drawings are amazing, could you please post more?

[Anonymous No.6627100]

>>6627080
Thank you dude. The way I did it, I stared at the drawing for several minutes, memorizing it, and then I'd close the book and draw it. Then I'd make another copy of that drawing, correcting my mistakes. At first, it drained so much of my brainpower, that I could only do 1 memory drawing per day. But once you get past the first chapter, where Bridgman is drawing full figures, you start getting into body parts: heads, torsos, legs, arms, etc. That's when it goes very easy.

Also, the more you do it, the more you notice that Bridgman uses the same lines for each body part. He uses the same lines to delineate the pelvis, the same lines to delineate the legs, hands, etc. And when you notice this, you start to be able to "predict" what lines Bridgman will use, and you start chunking the shapes he uses. It gets very easy. I finished the 2nd pass of Bridgman in 3 weeks.

This improved my work tremendously. It taught me proportions and proper anatomical shapes. I had proper construction, from studying Vilppu before, but I didn't have a good shape to my drawings. I highly recommend it, but it's a spartan way to draw, and you don't have to do it. There are other ways to learn.

I need to say though, David Finch in his streams demonstrated the memory drawing differently. He would copy a picture, then put away the picture and redraw it again, without staring at it and memorizing it. imo, this only works if you did a copy beforehand.

[Anonymous No.6628522]

>>6616037
>>6621888

Well, I'm trusting anons so I'll give it a shot!
Thanks for the tips!

[Anonymous No.6629586]

>>6581154
>Bridgman
Are all his books released worth studying or is the Complete guide the only one to go with?

[Anonymous No.6629589]

>>6629586
I think Complete compiles his books

[Anonymous No.6630214]

>>6629586
>>6629589
The complete guide is missing a lot of stuff. It has about as much drawings as 2 of Bridgman's smaller books, but Bridgman has 4 smaller books out, of substantial size. You'll have at least double or triple the content if you get the smaller books.

But, the David Finch guide recommends the complete guide, so you can't go wrong with that either.

[Anonymous No.6630792]

>>6630214
Complete Guide is basically everything you want. The good plates from the smaller books are almost entirely in CG. Constructive Anatomy is slightly smaller and different but CG and CA will cover almost everything you want anyway.

[Anonymous No.6631189]

Alright, spoonfeeding request/challenge to the thread, can someone do an anatomy paintover Batman's forearm? I'm having a lot of trouble ID'ing the extensors. I'll post my attempt in a second. Source is Jim Lee's instagram.

[Anonymous No.6631260]

>>6631189
I'd rather draw over your work, anon-kun. It' no fun tracing anatomy over a master anatomist. Might as well check if the dictionary spelled all the words correctly.

[Anonymous No.6631266]

>>6631189
>>6631260
having a lot of trouble identifying things in the anaconeus region, like what the ridge muscles are even sitting on, or where the tricep/ulna are exactly placed.

[Anonymous No.6632397]

trying to make a lean looking guy but I am only used to drawing very muscled up dudes. Can anyone give me some pointers on where/how muscles should be hatched when they arent that big? that and proportions too. Was trying to get something between what the average dude looks like and invincible/modern spiderman

[Anonymous No.6632417]

>>6632397
here's some general priciples for the upper body of twinks. The skinnier they are the more of their skeleton appears in profiles and the less outward bulk a muscle provides. In some cases like thin arms its almost like the muscle bulk can appear in reverse, this is why thin women basically share none of the same arm profiles as men, same applies to very skinny men but typically with more shoulder and forearm/elbow bone sizing.

[Anonymous No.6632429]

>>6632417
Thanks. I might not make the arms as thin on the image, but ill try to replicate the oblique->serratus->ribcage->lats part and the traps

[Anonymous No.6632460]

>>6632417
Would you see the ulna from that angle or did you mean the medial epicondyle?

[Anonymous No.6632482]

>>6632460
u rite

[Anonymous No.6632834]

>>6632417
ended up changing it to this, thanks for the help

[Anonymous No.6632836]

>>6632417
mind giving feedback for the legs too? always struggle with them lol

[Anonymous No.6632903]

I am simply asking for reference on this head angle, specifically where the mouth is left agape, exhausted
If my scribble didn't make it clear the angle is 3/4 (or maybe even 4/5, more to the side than front), from below
Also appreciated are stylized depictions of this angle, but i'm not holding my breath, i tried to find reference before it's just such a rare angle

[Anonymous No.6632924]

>>6632903
try a mirror or your phone camera

[Anonymous No.6632928]

>>6632924
please don't force me to look at my orcish face

[Anonymous No.6633058]

>>6632903
ive made an attempt

[Anonymous No.6633555]

>>6632903
>>6632924
>>6632928
>>6633058
Not really what the thread is for, try /beg/
If you have a facial anatomy question that would be more appropriate.

[Anonymous No.6636192]

bump

[Anonymous No.6636208]

>>6581154
I think the mouth looks off and the face looks kinda flat even though I used a Head model as reference

[Anonymous No.6636958]

So I have to learn how to draw the whole skeleton bone by bone, learn to draw each bone in multiple angles, and then start working on the muscle groups, drawing them all in different angles and then drawing fully skinless humans from multiple angles before I can add people to my drawings that don't look like out of place deviant art cringe, right? Another 2-3 months of anatomy study and drawing lifeless locations?

[Anonymous No.6636978]

>>6636958
That's some Robert Beverly Hale nonsense. I mean, if you really want an air of realism to your figure, then sure, but otherwise, Burne Hogarth tier anatomy is enough. You don't need to know the skeleton in autistic detail, just knowing the basic shapes is enough. An underwear / box for the pelvis, and egg for the ribs, etc.

There's a reason why Hogarth didn't draw the skeleton. You don't need it.

[Anonymous No.6637311]

>>6636208
what head model did you use? Tried to do a redline on your drawing myself but I did get a bit confused myself

[Anonymous No.6638421]

>>6637311
I was having a Hard time with the angle so I traced a mode ljej

[Anonymous No.6640398]

Quick question but fat stores only where there are muscles right?

[Anonymous No.6641130]

>>6640398
I don't think that's true, but idk. Not a fatty lmao

[Anonymous No.6641133]

The overall form is way more important than knowing all the muscles.

[Anonymous No.6641245]

>>6641133
thank you, faggot, for your absolutely useless contribution to the thread. Kill yourself immediately.

[Anonymous No.6642303]

>>6608510
>>6608535 went over your piece already, but I think it might help in the future, to treat the hips and every part of the body like simple geometric shapes, just like you did the legs. For example, by simplifying the entire pelvis into a wide box that juts a bit forward (as hips tend to do) you can see the general direction that the hips would need to go in and then you can start to build the rest of the body around it. This way you can avoid having major parts of the body facing in contradicting directions.

This is a general piece of advice I recommend for anyone, especially starting out. It would make it a whole lot easier to start out that way. It can also be applied to the head and ribcage.

[Anonymous No.6643582]

could I get some pointers on how to draw the hands in this position? no matter what I do I can't feel the form here and I haven't been able to find any references that match

[Anonymous No.6643633]

>>6643582
Do you not have 2 hands and a phone camera? What is your *anatomy* question?

[Anonymous No.6643654]

>>6643633
I did take multiple pictures of my own hands but I still couldn't understand how everything fits there, I also think I'm measuring the length of the hand wrong and draw the fingers way too long