Normies

[Anonymous No.6579795]

The AI art debacle has made me realize normies have no clue how the sausage is made, if you asked most people, probably 80%+ of them would say:

>Artists(especially pro artists) almost never use inspirations and almost never learn from copyrighted material(that's theft)
>AI is just a photo collage tool, it doesnt make anything unique

Honestly, it genuinely made me understand why artfags are treated like gods and get paid 200$ for scribbles, the average /beg/ that learns to use references correctly does better than 99% of normies because they'll think you spent 800 years on learning and had to craft it entirely out of your head through neurodivergence and uniqueness.

[Anonymous No.6579796]

That's cool, but you support Israel so your opinion doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.6579901]

>>6579795
codecel cope.

[Anonymous No.6579950]

>>6579795
>Honestly, it genuinely made me understand why artfags are treated like gods and get paid 200$ for scribbles,
Treated like gods... only payed $200. lol

[Anonymous No.6579971]

>>6579795
>200
People who cut lawns make double or even triple that you retarded nodraw tourist

[Anonymous No.6579973]

Artists are just born with talent, that's how they do it.

[Anonymous No.6579975]

>>6579950
Who worked an entire day for other then mommy and daddy then?

[Anonymous No.6580038]

AI is just photobashing with extra steps. It does not create anything novel, it cannot create anything new by definition. These programs arent thinking, they just predict an output given an input from a set of data. BY DEFINITION, unable to make anything new.

[Anonymous No.6580045]

>>6579975
ESL, just use deepl.com, write in your native language, translate.

[Anonymous No.6580050]

>>6580038
>It does not create anything novel
So, a typical language model uses 60000 tokens. There are 3.542072336 E+75 permutations. Add on context free guidance , iterations, paramters and 4 billion seeds . Not quite the number of molecules in the universe, but a large number. You're saying that no result is new. I think the back of the envelope math says you are wrong.

[Anonymous No.6580059]

>>6580050
And yet it can't create new information. I can only parrot or generate useless bullshit. AI is a fucking overhyped meme. Back to your board, codenigger.

[Anonymous No.6580064]

>>6580059
>I can only parrot or generate useless bullshit.
agree

[Anonymous No.6580069]

>>6580059
>it can't create new information
What would it take? live, updating AI? Learning on the fly? Like a cool guy? Bye!

[Anonymous No.6580074]

>>6580050
The fact youre trying to do math to prove an art point just proves me right.

[Anonymous No.6580087]

>>6580074
Yes, you have rigorously proven your point. You are a true logical thinker. Sorry to doubt you.

[Anonymous No.6580099]

>normies
Go back to plebd*t

[Anonymous No.6580104]

>>6580038
The same thing could be said about human artists retard

[Anonymous No.6580112]

>>6580050
Included in all of that is 1000000 images of tv static, the 10000 failed melting abberation generations you had to sift through to find the one semi-passable piece, and also 10000000 nigger dicks. So i dont think youre making a good point here.

[Anonymous No.6580113]

>>6580059
Neither can you, can you imagine a new color?

[Anonymous No.6580132]

>>6580113
humans have the ability to think outside the box, experiment with new ideas, and take risks in order to create something truly innovative and original.
It can take a long time to reach those original ideas, but it happens.
AI, by contrast, is limited by the patterns and data it has been trained on, and can only create within the confines of those parameters.

[Anonymous No.6580142]

>>6579795
>artfags are treated like gods
Why do /g/ retards love to romanticise our job so much
The vast majority of artfags can't make ends meet with art alone you dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.6580144]

I should have known that all those trees I identified in captcha would come back to haunt me.

[Anonymous No.6580153]

>neurodivergence
KIll yourself, tranny.

[Anonymous No.6580155]

>>6580144
>a 4chan pass could have prevented this mess
forgive me... Hiro...

[Anonymous No.6580172]

>>6580142
It’s just targeted resentment. They aren’t bitching about singers, musicians, and actors which is funny because those require more “talent” than skill.

[Anonymous No.6580179]

>>6580132
You cant create a new idea from nothing, an example of a "new idea" would be to imagine a new color. You can't describe it without relating it to something else that you've already seen or deriving from it.

[Anonymous No.6580196]

dipshit normies bop their retard heads to a sampled nigger beat while crying about AI art

[Anonymous No.6580197]

>>6580179
Creating the TRULY NEW from nothing is the purpose of our suffering and god is a based psycho prompter.

[Anonymous No.6580330]

Normies will love AI art, because for them detail = good. They don't care about anything else.

[Anonymous No.6580355]

>>6580179
>new idea from nothing,
To make an apple pie from scratch, first you must inventory the universe. That said, I see some new ideas as a collaboration with people through time. One little idea out of the box, a discovery, and 50 years later nukes fall on Japan. Others, are eureka moments, Archimedes, newton etc. Art movements happen, new imagery that was unlike anything 50 years before it.

[Anonymous No.6580363]

>>6580355
*Invent the universe
Bloody AI...

[Anonymous No.6580364]

>>6580197
>god is a based psycho prompter.
"Let there be light." What a prompt! What version of gpt was he using? Gpt-7

[Anonymous No.6580402]

>>6580330
>Normies will love AI art
they don't, it's mostly nerds
>because for them detail = good
yet most watch cartoons & look at crudely drawn memes
>They don't care about anything else
right, stories & content don't exist

[Anonymous No.6580405]

>>6580402
Yet all they think the soulless porcelain doll render anime, and "i just copied a photo" art is good.

[Anonymous No.6580458]

>>6579795
Something tech nerds will never understand is that drawing is the access tunnel into the flow state. Most people rarely get to experience the bliss of the flow. I can live in that state for hours at will, all thanks to drawing. It’s like a drug but not harmful. I feel alive when I create with my hands. My mind is free. Drawing gets me there.

Have fun prompting meaningless pictures while simultaneously killing your dopamine receptors. The flow state is locked off to your kind who seek immediate pleasure from meaningless button mashing. You’ll never experience pure bliss. That’s the secret. That’s what you’re missing. That’s why we draw and that’s why your machines will never win.

[Anonymous No.6580465]

>I produce slightly better quality

There's that ego we knew was behind this attitude

[Anonymous No.6580575]

>>6580458
Coding also involves a flow state.
Source: I both draw and code. I find it infinitely more annoying to get my flow interrupted while coding compared to the same happening while I'm drawing.

[Anonymous No.6580594]

>>6579795
People either overestimate or underestimate the value of an artist, I think artists should be treated the same as a person in any other profession. It's nothing special really just a skill.

[Anonymous No.6580604]

>>6580594
Most of us with actual artist jobs are treated like that
99.9% of /ic/ posters have never held a job as an artist however. They tend to have romanticized ideas of what it's like to be one.

[Anonymous No.6580611]

>>6580402
>>6580405
normies are indeed very easily impressed by details. overload a picture with that and see them cream their pants and go omggggg so talented???? pixiv front page
bait art and overrendered (semi)realistic art grab their attention every time
they consume crudely drawn nu-cartoon for the humor, not the aesthetic

[Anonymous No.6580639]

>>6580611
>normies are indeed very easily impressed by details.
They're impressed by details if drawn by a human. Tell them it's AI and they'll immediately lose attention. Hell, even better if it's traditional, most normies think PS is basically AI (pic related).
Purely skill-based art is like athletics or chess, admired because of the human achievement. It's this fact that makes AIbros secretly seethe.
>they consume crudely drawn nu-cartoon for the humor, not the aesthetic
Humor and content. And I don't think you can so easily separate the content from the aesthetic. Cartoons are beautiful in their simplicity and communication. The Simpsons or Rick and Morty wouldn't work well in a hyper-realistic style.

[Anonymous No.6580646]

>>6580458
I can get into a flow state by just sitting and paying attention, drawing ain't that special.

[Anonymous No.6580648]

>>6580604
I agree and I don't think art is something as glamorous or mystical as people think and I also don't think people understand how much hard work goes into developing the skill. It seems most people either have this bizarre romanticized idea of art or underestimate art and think someone magically gets good from talent not from years of practice. I think art is the same as any other creative craft such as writing or music as a medium to express human creativity so visual arts isn't any more special than any other craft to me.

[Anonymous No.6580654]

>>6580465
fake, gay, go back

[Anonymous No.6580660]

>>6579795
> it genuinely made me understand why artfags are treated like gods and get paid 200$ for scribbles
I know I should hide and report bait thread but this statement is so retarded I glitched

[Anonymous No.6580694]

Good morning sers

[Anonymous No.6580707]

>>6580465
These are bait stories by the way, not one single artist has been fired, none of the faggots telling these tall tales can ever provide any kind of proof that they even actually work in the industry

[Anonymous No.6580708]

>>6580458
>>6580694
look at these two images. that's the difference between art & slop.

[Anonymous No.6580710]

>>6580646
By definition you can’t enter flow by just sitting but nice try pajeet. Focus isn’t the same as flow.

[Anonymous No.6580711]

>>6579795
I Made this giirl with a.i lol

[Anonymous No.6580715]

Good morning sirs

[Anonymous No.6580716]

>>6580711
Cute and SOVL pilled. Post more king

[Anonymous No.6580869]

>>6580038
>It does not create anything novel
it very specifically creates novelty, so the opposite of what you said is true

[Anonymous No.6580959]

>>6580710
You're ignorant.

[Anonymous No.6580963]

>>6580959
define flow

[Anonymous No.6580967]

>>6580963
If you really want to learn, start by looking up vipassana

[Anonymous No.6580975]

>>6579795
yes most people don't understand how the sausage is made, it doesn't come from nothing, but instead is pretty similiar to what ai does. If you are making a commercial piece, you first start by making a sketch and then gathering ideas, that could be photos or other art, you basically make a mood board, that will help you throughout the process, then you might use 3d models and photos of yourself to speedup the process if shit is difficult, you might photobash too to be faster too, it's not magic.
>artfags are treated like gods
KEK, you never worked as an artfag, yeah maybe your average normie that struggles to draw a stickman will say "wow you are so good" and flatter you a bit, this happended to me since I was 12 that I could barely do a wobly anime head, to now that I can make a "professional" piece.
But when it comes to money, all the "god" praises fade away, people will hardly want to spend money on you, haggle down, and sometimes even 20$ is too much for them, they will treat you like shit.

[Anonymous No.6581062]

>>6580967
>sitting doing nothing is flow
retard
>Flow is the melting together of action and consciousness; the state of finding a balance between a skill and how challenging that task is.

[Anonymous No.6581070]

>>6581062
>sitting still isn't a skill
said no zoomer ever

[Anonymous No.6581100]

>>6580330
normies are in the "scared of computer overlords" at worst and "lol cool toy" at best
they are mostly indifferent to ai as a whole

but normies like art that lets them think about the artist
artists who are already famous normies like because they've heard of them
they love abstract impressionism because they can think about "woah this guy must have been crazy :0"
and they love photorealistic art because its obvious it took a lot of time and therefore must have been hard to make

[Anonymous No.6581103]

>muh $200
Way to out yourself as a seething thirdworlder who is jealous of other thirdworlders who make a living by drawing coom.

[Anonymous No.6581106]

>>6581070
*posted while on the loo

[Anonymous No.6581111]

>>6580113
>can you imagine a new color
holy fuck you're retarded, what does the limit of human eyesight have to do with this? imagine for a second that a human mind would have never come up with the concept of a dragon, and they didn't exist as a fantasy concept. how would you tell an AI to make you a "dragon"? as a matter of fact, would you even think at all, or do you have a "thinking AI" to do that job for you as well, you retarded brainlet

[Anonymous No.6581119]

>>6581111
True.

[Anonymous No.6581161]

>>6581062
You're ignorant, but don't worry most people are.

[Anonymous No.6581180]

>>6580716
The only reason retards like you call dead-eyed, waxy, sex dolls like that SOVL is because your brainrot has you thinking it's a choice between that and globohomo alegria, you absolute fucking artlet.

[Anonymous No.6581246]

>>6581161
>Vipassana is an ancient mindfulness meditation technique. It involves observing your thoughts and emotions as they are, without judging or dwelling on them.
look, now I'm not ignorant.

You have it wrong. Flow is characterized by the harmonious integration of action and awareness, achieved through balancing one's skill level with the level of challenge presented by a task. In contrast, meditation involves simply sitting and being present, without a specific task to accomplish. While meditation can result in endorphin release and positive effects on mental health, recognize that it differs from the flow state in its lack of directed action, sir.

[Anonymous No.6581281]

>>6581111
Of course you can tell an AI to invent a dragon dumbass, you would tell it to make a lizard but longer, bigger, breathes fire, and with wings, and if it didn't know any of those, you can go down the list and tell it a lizard is a small four legged creature with scales and a tail, and wings are a part of skin with feathers on them protruding from the sides, and then if it doesnt know those you can do down a step further.

You can absolutely describe a dragon out of combinations of your old ideas and things you've seen and you can do the same for everything in existence, but when it comes to AI nobody acknowledges this and think humans make things out of nothing and AI doesn't.

[Anonymous No.6581292]

>>6581281
>imagine for a second that a human mind would have never come up with the concept of a dragon, and they didn't exist as a fantasy concept
In this scenario, you don't know dragon either.
What you've done is invent the concept yourself(as a creative human) and asked AI to make an image of it following your instructions. You gave the AI new information, The AI didn't invent it for you.

[Anonymous No.6581294]

>>6581292
So if I throw random stuff together like paper, a sheep, and an airplane and the AI comes out with something I've never seen or visualized before, can I say the AI invented a new thing?

[Anonymous No.6581296]

>>6579795
You will never be a human.

[Anonymous No.6581303]

>>6581294
Maybe, lets see.

[Anonymous No.6581305]

>>6581303
Okay, so if dragons weren't invented by humans at all and nobody thought of them and I throw in a lizard, a fire, a picture of wings, and a large object, and it came out with a picture of what we know as a dragon, would we say AI invented dragons?

[Anonymous No.6581309]

>>6581305
The gatcha gods may permit an image of a "dragon" to appear, but you wouldn't recognize it as such. if you do see something novel in the output, that's your interpretation, like looking at clouds and inventing a dragon by seeing a cloud that looks like a lizard with wings breathing fire.

[Anonymous No.6581313]

>>6581309
Ok, that's fair.

[Anonymous No.6581361]

Your brain does not work on binary code and algorithms
You do not function on a finite dataset
You are not a machine
The amount of machine worshipping poojeets equating machine "learning" with human learning is insane, literally brainwashed by their big tech overlords.

[Anonymous No.6581440]

>>6581361
>Your brain does not work on binary code and algorithms
We dont know it yet

[Anonymous No.6581446]

>>6580144
Fuck.. we were guinea pigs all along.

[Anonymous No.6581448]

>>6581446
And now we are teaching it how to read

[Anonymous No.6581461]

>>6581361
>You do not function on a finite dataset
are you unironically retarded lmao
You only function on what you've seen/heard/whatever in your life, which is quite finite
>You are not a machine
A normal machine, nope
A biological machine? More like it

[Anonymous No.6581506]

>>6581461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPP5JpPP4sU

[Anonymous No.6581508]

>>6581461
I didn't say anything about machine learning though? Merely saying humans are not some magical creatures

[Anonymous No.6581515]

>>6581461
You brain creates new information based on what you experience, and can infer things from that, creating yet more information.
Our experiences and environment are constantly changing, and our brains are constantly adapting and learning.

Technically speaking, if we consider the finite dataset to be the entire set of experiences and information that an individual has access to at a given moment, then it could be argued that the dataset is finite. However, the key point is that the dataset is constantly changing and expanding(and hell, shrinking too) over time, as the individual has new experiences and learns new information.

[Anonymous No.6581518]

>>6581515
Indeed, but all the information you create is derivative. You could technically take two pictures and say your dataset is infinite cause you can infinitely upscale both images, merge them, warp them and whatever. The non-derivative information dataset is limited with humans and whatever else

[Anonymous No.6581537]

>>6581518
Scientific breakthroughs require a combination of creativity, critical thinking, and a deep understanding of the underlying principles of a field, and cannot simply be derived from existing knowledge.
I think the same could be said for artistic breakthroughs.
Human capacity for creative thinking and innovation cannot be reduced to a simple binary of derivative vs. non-derivative.
Our ability to generate new ideas and insights is a reflection of the complex interplay between our past experiences, existing knowledge, and innate cognitive abilities.
We are not limited like AI is.

[Anonymous No.6581539]

>>6581537
>Scientific breakthroughs require a combination of creativity, critical thinking, and a deep understanding of the underlying principles of a field, and cannot simply be derived from existing knowledge
You can use existing data to realize scientific breakthroughs, though.

[Anonymous No.6581551]

>>6581539
Absolutely, existing data and knowledge are often used as a starting point for scientific breakthroughs. However, achieving such breakthroughs requires much more than simply rehashing existing information. Researchers must have a deep understanding of the underlying principles and mechanisms of their field, and must be able to apply creative and critical thinking to identify gaps in existing knowledge and develop new hypotheses and experimental approaches to test those hypotheses. Even when breakthroughs are achieved through the use of existing data and knowledge, they often represent significant departures from existing paradigms and require a level of creativity and innovation that goes beyond simply applying existing knowledge in a new way.

[Anonymous No.6581558]

>>6581551
bro its all pattern recognition there is nothing creative about it

[Anonymous No.6581647]

>>6581558
what do words even mean, we just don't know.

[Anonymous No.6581669]

>>6580153
>>6579796
Nta but since when is "neurodivergent" political?
Is there now a /pol/-approved way of describing spectrumites?

[Anonymous No.6581678]

>>6581669
Autist

[Anonymous No.6581682]

>>6581669
>nta
You're equally a tranny, back to Tumblr.

[Anonymous No.6581683]

>>6581361
cells can be reprogrammed and life can be built from basic proteins
brains are computers

[Anonymous No.6581688]

>>6580458
Sauce me up, lad.

[Anonymous No.6581755]

>>6581683
Bro, what if they're like... Not? Won't you be embarrassed? Haha. Nobody really knows!

[Anonymous No.6581808]

>>6581688
Here you go, bud
https://twitter.com/snobbiez
https://www.instagram.com/snobbiez

[Anonymous No.6581815]

>>6579795
>AI is just a photo collage tool, it doesnt make anything unique
it is a collage tool. literally. just glorified collage tool. and now you will explain me in details why am I wrong because YOU totally understand how it works, right?

[Anonymous No.6581820]

>>6581815
Your brain is a glorified collage tool. Boom, roasted, argument over.

[Anonymous No.6581826]

>>6581683
And trans women are women

[Anonymous No.6581829]

>>6579795
Even AI devs admit every AI available right now don’t understand things, actually, they are trying to make it understand things to one day, learn like us.

For current AIs, a picture is just a bunch of pixels, it can memorize patterns by noise and denoise, but it’s 100% dependent of the embed tagging system, so when you prompt something it’ll simply trigger the AI to sample through those memorized artworks and photos and via a denoising process, generate something “””new”””.

That’s the reason why we see master level rendering and unreasonable basic mistakes in the same image.

If one day they manage to make an AI that can actually understand and think like us, then it’s over, it’ll be able to actually create from abstractions of what it saw. (Yes, they are trying to add senses to AI)

[Anonymous No.6581831]

Is the fad dying already? Even the threads here have become super slow. And seem to be mostly fun posting.

[Anonymous No.6581832]

>>6581180
AI is very SOVL

[Anonymous No.6581864]

>>6581808
I regret asking. Immensely.
Kill yourself ASAP.

[Anonymous No.6581881]

Good morning sirs

[Anonymous No.6581897]

>>6579795
Ai mashes things together with no other input, while human artists have life experiences, tastes, liles, dislikes that affect the type of art they may produce. Inspiration may align with their likes and dislikes, but their perspective and life aren't something that can be replicated. Give two artists two artists to reference and they'd likely both create something entirely different. Ai art lacks SOVL and MINDLESSLY TAKES AND MASHES STUFF TOGETHER

[Anonymous No.6581901]

>>6581897
So, photoshop some soul into it.

[Anonymous No.6581904]

>>6581820
>i dont know how it works but it definetely doesnt work how you think because i told so haha argument over
damn seems like those AIcels giving chat gtp their own neurons

[Anonymous No.6581905]

>>6581901
Then it becomes ai assisted art. You also just have less control over the subject. Ai 'artists' can't use photoshop. They only CONSOOM AND PRODUCE ART IS ANOTHER DOPAMINE HIT FOR THEM

[Anonymous No.6581908]

>>6581905
So, people like CGI movies and no one does hand painted cels anymore.

[Anonymous No.6581918]

>>6580639
> Secretly Seethe
Oh boy, they are not quiet about that at all.

The reason why human art will always be preferred over AI shit is the exact same reason why people go to concerts in the thousands to watch a single fucker sing.

People like to admire the human skill and effort behind their entertainment, take that away and nobody gives a shit, it's like congratulating an hidraulic lift for lifting a car, as if it was the same as a human lifting a car.

My man, a person lifting 2,4 tons is impressive as fuck, a machine doing it is just mundane, don't expect me to congratulate you for what the machine did.

[Anonymous No.6581923]

>>6581908
>ai art is not inspired in the same way as human art and cannot be
>b-b-but it still can look nice!!!
You miss my point.
>cgi
Sovlless 99% of the time
>painted Cels
100% ALWAYS SOVLFUL
99% of ai art WILL be coomer bait anime with the same style and same lighting because that's all people want it for. The TRULY UNIQUE STYLES WITH THRIVE. THE GREAT ART FILTER HAS ARRIVED

[Anonymous No.6581948]

>>6581246
You'll never understand it by reading about it. But to put it simply, the task is mindfulness and it requires a great deal of skill to achieve.

[Anonymous No.6581964]

>>6581864
>goes to my profile, sees work, hates it
>goes out of his way to sift through my profile anyway and save my comics to his hard drive
>also goes to the trouble of copy+pasting from each comic saved to his computer to a graphics program
>spends time cropping dialogue bubbles in a nice, orderly fashion, and exporting it to upload here
Lmfao i think you’re my most dedicated fan yet! Be sure to follow!

[Anonymous No.6581966]

>>6581905
>AI assisted art
>when the AI did most of the work

[Anonymous No.6581995]

>>6581908
>people
implying, lmao. I don't give a fuck, and it's why I haven't watched any disney animations since I was a kid. I avoid CGI movies like the plague. I like it when CGI is used to animate the impossible in order to make it look realistic in a live action movie, I don't like it when you end up with garbage like The Hobbit where Orcs, tree leaves and waterfalls are animated through CGI. in fact, even the average consoomer complained about the CGI
>https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/hobbit-actor-says-films-became-big-punch-driven-technology-studio-interference-143702428.html
>https://collider.com/viggo-mortensen-peter-jackson-cgi/
>https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1479651/lord-of-the-rings-ian-mckellen-gandalf-the-hobbit-broke-down-cried

[Anonymous No.6582012]

>>6581901
would you be content just touching up someone else's work? that's what it is

[Anonymous No.6582067]

>>6581964
>i think you’re my most dedicated fan yet!
And hopefully I've shown you why that is.

Also, if if didn't put in the effort, I couldn't drive home how repulsed I felt.
Enjoy mumble rapping on Twitter, you'll get the following you cultivate.

[Anonymous No.6585172]

>>6581808
not sure sure if its my thing but your art is unique.

[Anonymous No.6585235]

'nother thred
'nother cat