/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>6565675
>>6566777
>>6567013
>>6555848
>>6555761
>>6555848
>>6555682

well, how its been doing copying for you guys to your imagination drawings?

sketch I did for 30 minutes

>>6562434
>>6562438
I finished my work imagination drawing. It's obvious I'll have to study but probably won't.

>>6567205
Nice, men are surprisingly fun to draw sometimes.

>>6567184
>>6567211
It's been going well.

>>6567211

>>6567215
It's alright anon. I've made plenty of obominations while drawing pictures for the last 2'ish years. It's not all over. I used to copy FLCL screenshots. It's all about having fun.

>copy an artist you like :)
I have too many I like with too many different styles and I let myself get decision paralysis.
What now? Go back to fundies and grind empty boxes until I can figure out which artists I actually like and why I like them? Copy art at random without thinking about it even if it causes my bad, nonexistent style to evolve in an aesthetically pleasing direction that locks off my ability to commit further to a different one because I'm an amateur artist and not a professional who can emulate many styles while retaining their own?

>15 min
i got at least 80% of the proportions right

>>6567213
Fixed it thanks.

>>6567218
Copy an artist you like
There must be ONE artist you must really, really, REALLY like to draw like
>b-but I can't choose one...
Copy an artist you like and cease your womanly behaviour
>b-but
Copy an artist you like

if it takes me 5 hrs to copy 1 drawing how the fuck am i supposed to recreate it from memory? spend 10 hours on it? is this reasonable?

>>6567344
It takes me longer to copy something than to create my own, I don't know why

>>6567344
>if it takes me 5 hrs to copy 1 drawing
post copy and yw

absolute beginner here that wants to draw anime shit. what else should i do other than drawabox and keys to drawing as someone who wants to draw anime characters? I want to try and roughly plan out my pathway. Keys to drawing has been interesting for observation, and drawabox is helping with fundamentals as a complete beginner (I couldn't really draw straight lines before). Is there anything else I should consider doing along with these two? I'm trying to be mindful to not take in too much at a time. On the side, I do copies to the best of my ability of my fave official art drawings from anime magazines on yandere

>>6567456
Just out of curiosity, do you happen to have an inspiration folder?

>>6567458
I have a bunch of screenshots of my fave animators' work and official art illustrations from magazines saved but not all organised in one folder. I should probably do that one day

>>6567456
Speaking of copying things, I forgot to ask how would eyes like Hyouka's be approached? Well, eyes on general. Would they be drawn from the shoulder or wrist? It's easier to do with the wrist for me (though with chicken scratching), but I can't imagine how an egg shape eye like this is done in one stroke from the shoulder. https://yande.re/post?tags=hyouka+nishiya_futoshi+

>>6567466
Fuck, forgot to post image

>>6567456
Just draw what you want really. If you enjoy it you will go far, if it is a constant chore you will move on.

>>6567466
>egg shape eye like this is done in one stroke from the shoulder
pen stabilization 80

>>6567220
Nice job! Dog anon!

>>6567476
I'm talking about traditionally
>>6567469
I do but what other resources than those 2 should I do?

whats the best place to post stuff? is twitter still worth after all this elon bs

How do you do line art with a G-pen? I can't come up with a good end result with it no matter how hard I try. Meanwhile ~85 opacity darker pencil feels perfect for me.

>>6567072
I procrastinated a lot today and only managed to draw in the details of the short girl, the tall one is still bald and nude
I am an embarrasment

Back again, this time I'm challenging a subject with clothing wrinkles (not a copy)

Is there anything I should know before taking the Krenz perspective course? i already did 3 weeks of accuracy drawing and i know basic-int perspective

>>6568167
just draw

>>6567162
who has a style similar to KJG 'realistic anime' style?

>>6567797
Patreon is the best place to post imo.

>>6568600
literally who

>>6568424
You need quality for that.

>>6567797
pixiv and link your twitter in the description

WIP of a commission. Any crits before i paint it?

>>6568693
Post the finished version when you are done. I'm interested in what you mean by paint.

>>6568697
shading, rendering, sorry i am ESL

>>6568693

In your opinion what is the best guideline for drawing heads?

People recommended me loomis but I rarely ever see JP artists using it at all

>>6568799
please I'm desperate

>>6568799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1JsOnJDCac&list=PLC1w0JHZX_rhdv__lLHVhEoHb5j6LOvrD&index=1

but the fastest way to improve is studying skulls
https://www.youtube.com/live/b8ijFmtdJVo?feature=share

>>6568799
>In your opinion what is the best guideline for drawing heads?
https://www.kapwing.com/videos/6417877f6c218400240d0e8a

>>6568799
I learned a lot from Steve Huston's method as a base and then copying morpho's heads.
Just copy a lot

But also JP artists love loomis.

lines done, colors tomorrow.

>>6568855
did you copy the img or traced?

>>6568857
used this screenshot as reference

Took a bit longer than I thought and still not 100% complete but I guess this will do

>>6567162
I only did the coloring, what do you think? :)

>>6568903
That looks like it's from that B_O_X guy. You should try to render it.

>>6567327
But then you tell me that there's an artist I really, really, REALLY want to draw like and I'm telling you that guy isn't there. There are many artists I really want to draw like, and I really, really really, REALLY want to combine them, but that's a feat too high for a beginner.

>>6569002
Shut the fuck up then
It's clear you like to make up excuses instead of drawing
This is a board for people who draw
Fuck off

>>6569012
Wow, rude. You're not going to encourage lurkers that way!

>>6569012
>This is a board for people who draw
...

>>6569030
He's not wrong

>>6569031
Best joke I've heard all day

>>6568600
phw

are there any comprehensive CSP guides? i want to get into painting but theres too many unknown unknowns.

>>6569058
https://tips.clip-studio.com/en-us/articles/1248
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/manuals/

>>6569012
LMAO

i bought a stand for my tablet and i swear my line accuracy shot up 5x

>>6569002
just choose one and draw you fucking retard holy shit!

>>6569091
>my line accuracy shot up 5x
same but mine was the way i was holding my pen

>>6569094
Holy shit. You mean it doesn't have to be The One? It can be one I like because the art is cute/cool/sexy/easy to copy?

Mind=Blown.

>>6569091
was it a screened one?

I'm still not really good at this, but this is better than me trying to draw myself.
There's 2 more I want to post, but I'll try getting an Imgur link or something to post it.

>>6569091
why, what angle did you have it at and what angle do you have it at now?
mine just sits like this with the built in stand.

>>6567870
I drew the details of the tall girl today
I love drawing in the hair and other details but too often I get caught up in it
I think it was a bit too ambitious of me to try and push two finished pieces over the weekend, I'll finish these two over the next week

just another day, will finish later

Forgot 2 post lmao

Do you guys have any artists that post unmerged PSD / clip files on their fanbox / fantia who you can recommend?

>>6567344
>if it takes me 5 hrs to copy 1 drawing how the fuck am i supposed to recreate it from memory?
THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. THIS WHOLE THING IS A FARCE. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

>copy an artist you like :)
I have this one - https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/2520952
But his rendering is too complicated for me, I can't figure out how to do it. So I copy another artist, but it doesn't give me pleasure...

>>6569491
Brush up on the fundamentals of light then try, or just try studying everything else about his art except the rendering.

what's wrong with the proportions?
I mean especially from the waist down
something's off but I can't exactly tell what

>>6569509
everything

>>6569509
I prescribe 3 shots of Peter Han™, 2 doses of Vilppu™ and 3 daily pills of Hogarth™

>>6569514
>Peter Han™, 2 doses of Vilppu™ and 3 daily pills of Hogarth™
beg trap

>>6569514
Which one of these teach construction?

>>6567344
well you can get faster ya numpty, no one said it would be easy

copy da
was suppose to be dark but i couldn't get the colors right and was almost 5 hours in and wanted to sleep

>>6567220
Where are you getting these cute dogs from? I want to try this with them.

>>6568973
>B_O_X guy
Who? I didn't find him by that name online...
>You should try to render it.
Does coloring not count as "rendering"? What do you mean?

>>6569627
>>6567162
>Krenz Accuracy Imgs: https://files.catbox.moe/tklkj8.rar

is live2d cracked/pirateable?

>>6569644
https://mobile.twitter.com/B_OX_MOD1/status/1632763789287505927

A render imo is when you color then shade then apply post processing to merge line color with the skin and background.
What you have now are just flat colors.

>>6569692
Omg, it's EXACTLY that image, lol

>merge line color with the skin and background.
Oh yeah, I never really do that! Should give it a shot. Thanks man!!

colors done, maybe I will add a background tomorrow.

>>6569696
Is she trending right now?

>>6569734
Who, Marnie? No idea

>>6569734
She got a new outfit in Pokemon Masters a bit ago, so kinda.

>>6569789
I feel like those craniums needs to be drawn larger

>>6569925
wdym? draw a few but bigger?

>>6569926
Draw all of them bigger..

>>6569929
roger that

Sup /asg/ im considering doing Naoki Saito 3 months book challenge since i've been scrutinizing my art style like crazy lately and i never quite started it because i wasn't satisfied with the artist that i pick then, has anyone had any success with it here?

here's a doodle from yesterday btw, i only really post here sporadically but I lurk sometimes.

Is it possible to overcome perfectionism? I look at pictures like this, zero in on the hands, and then think about how I shut down if I find myself encounter this problem. I don't think about how I could stylize it, I don't think about anything besides the error and berate myself and never get to the point where I color it all in and post it to be something popular that people will repost for years to come.

>>6569983
yeah, get a job doing art it will force you to deadlines

So can I just pause anime, copy what I see, and then eventually get good?
Feel like I'm too much of a brainlet for video courses and such.

>>6570029
u have to draw ur own anime while ur at it

>>6570029
Copying artwork makes you better at copying artwork. You'll eventually be able to recreate almost anything you see with a very high accuracy after a few months. It's not a useless skill and if you have fun copying then do that. But you won't be able to draw anything from imagination at all without it looking like prebeg even after months or even years of copying

>>6570103
Isn't drawing from imagination mostly just a matter of correct anatomy before you go back to drawing things like they are meant to look anyway?

>>6570144
Most people don't build a visual library by copying artwork. They just copy lines and improve accuracy. It's like watching a magician doing a trick over and over again, if you don't understand it you won't be able to replicate it no matter how many times you see it. So no, just copying stuff and anatomy is most likely not enough to draw appealing girls from imagination

>>6570186
Then how do you draw from imagination?

how the hell do you draw limbs

>>6567162
>>6567162
Been copying anime for a while now, am pretty decent at it. Is just copying okay? How do I learn to apply construction to animeheads, should I just read loomis or is there a better guide? I've been copying by eye and while I'm much better than when I started, all I can do is copy.

>>6570144

don't be like me that i fall into copying trap,i mean copying is great practice and can learn to breakdown artists (and actually make your own method to do it) but i copying too much that my creativity is dead. whenever i try to do art i just look into other artists art/pinterest and "oh i like this picture" let's draw it and tweak some of the part like arm,hand to make it not look like source.

sure this will help you as a beginner but i recommend you try to practice what you want to draw from your mind too.
i start to realize this when i try to make my own comic/manga and results that i can't imagine shit . That's when i realize that i've never train to draw from my mind. i just look into other artists art and steal composition,pose and tweak it into new one. sure this will help you creating new artwork but it actually not from your imagination.

try to practice to draw from your mind too and use reference only when it come to fix mistake,details

>>6570314
I'll devote a night of practice to imagination gesture drawing then.

>>6570307
copying is a meme, everyone saying it are just fucking with you to make you waste your time holy shit, how nobody realizes this, is pretty funny tho.

>>6567868
Try some different pen settings first. The whole point of a g pen is you can effectively vary the thickness in a way that stays in control and looks good for you. If the thickness is wobbling in and out or is unresponsive and you have to push hard to just get a weighted line, change your pressure curve.

If a pencil brush already works for you, try to copy that brush as closely as possible but make it a pen. Based on that pencil brush's settings this might just be removing texture and changing opacity. Or you might have to modify another pen brush until it feels similar. But you like something about this pencil and how it responds to your pressure and speed.

>>6570297
magic

>>6570447
I've experimented with the pencil brushes and round watercolor sized down for line art but noticed my output looks shitty compared to when I just use default g-pen. What is so special about the g-pen (or pen type brushes in general) that most artists just either use it raw or make variations on it?

WIP Marisa
Feel like I'm getting the hang of the face spacing and eyes. Guess it's just basic head construction that the eyes are on similar level, right?
Still wonky, but I feel happier with it.

>>6570307
>How do I learn to apply construction to animeheads, should I just read loomis or is there a better guide?
Don’t get lied to by using shit like that. Just continue to copy anime and your favorite artist.
>>6570438
Fuck off constructoid

>>6570461
I'm sorry anon but you'll have to give me your blog right now

>>6570501
Ain't got a blog sadly, but thanks for the kind words, Anon!

>>6570320
be sure to draw from copy too. since copying/studying is still a great way to learn secret or method from your favourite artists. but just don't blindly copy and still put what you learn to create your own from imagination. or else you'll make a habit of looking into other artists work to create something (like me) you should try to draw what you want and express

>>6570438
copying is not a meme if you use it right and understand how to breakdown it . example you want to know artists secret on how to stroke a brush or how they use tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM69kS7y6Jc like this video. copying meanwhile thinking about how to do it by yourself

i recently studying YD on how he use brush and kinda want to get a brush to achieve how his shading brushwork looks like. result is i get a brush output that looks like his works that suit my pen pressure but not exactly the same though. it maybe only me but as i studying/copying a lot i just know that you can't become copy machine you gotta learn and breakdown method by yourself, make your own tools even if you have that artist brushes results might not be the same since everyone use different pen pressure setting, weight ,hand stroke.

know that YD just use default round brush with no fancy things but i gotta setting to make it suit with my hand pressure.

What if you both copy and learn construction
I'm going through Rinotuna's course and the fucker has 5 episodes of it dedicated to construction and the head one is literally just loomis with an anime coat of paint

>>6570549
NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU CAN ONLY PICK ONE EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WITHE!!!

construction makes copying for learning how to draw animu useless since you can draw whatever is in your noodles.

>>6570554
>construct the body
>copy the anime parts

Some really good artbooks if you wanna study shape design
https://e-hentai.org/g/1006661/ac1b98ee88/
https://e-hentai.org/g/1006629/858338dbf2/
https://e-hentai.org/g/802526/a85719b66c/
https://e-hentai.org/g/678940/88a9f719eb/

>>6570561
>>construct the body
>>copy the anime parts

I have learned nothing

>>6570581
Copy more anime

>>6570562
i like the heavy inspiration of yoshinari on all of these

>>6570581
just western my shit up

Finally finished this, how is it bros.

>>6570562
If I copy one doujin every day on exhentai will I get good?

>>6570562
Thanks anon.

>>6570287
The answer to that question is pretty cancer but I'll tell you anyway. You have to learn to draw. That means you have to read up on all the various skills needed and actively try to learn them.
But I do know a short cut on how to get better at drawing insanely fast. I'm talking about being able to draw cute and appealing girls easily in 3-6 months from imagination. By enjoying the process. If you enjoy learning all these various topics and you don't just copy stuff you make progress so fast it's absolutely disgusting

>>6570582
>>6570587
literally copying a kinu nishimura drawing

>>6570594
>if I just photocopy this lithography textbook will I become a semiconductor engineer eventually??

anyone want a paintover of their work? I am bored

>>6570692
can you give me some help?
came back after a long break, need some advice to get back on track

Will anyone update and fix the Pastebin resources some of the links are dead and some resources can't even be accessed at all notably the dead mega links. or will this problem be un-addressed.

>>6569619
agen

>>6570896

>>6570461
cute!!
keep going and finish it, give her a background to exist in as well

>>6570447
>>6570460
You can vary line width with any other brush as well just turning on the pressure sensitivity though?

>>6569949
/asg/ never draws from imagination so nobody finished it lmao

Hey~!
I can somewhat tell the flaws, but i am not sure how to improve this one and i'd like to learn from my mistakes.
Could i get some feedback, please?

>>6571409
Everything, copy more anime

>>6571409
You need to work on selling the form. For example, the collar looks like a sticker on a t-shirt even though you put that little bit of shading there. Try to think of how the real objects would lift off of the other things at different angles and it will help you get that 3D feeling.

>>6571409
soul

>>6571422
Thanks this is really helpful, unlike the other comments lol.

It took me a hot minute to tell the difference although felt something was wrong.
Still can't depict things in 3D well at all, also my visual memory when looking at references lasts the span of second...
Feels discouraging ngl, but i'll keep up with it.

>>6570590
colors are really well done
the drawing is okay too but the features are in discordant perspectives like the far eye tells me her head is in that almost side profile view but the ear tells me she's in that 3/4 almost front shot view due to the back of the head being overlapped by it. also you didn't give her a jaw so the face feels very wide

very dumb question but how the hell do I even start breaking down complex hairstyles like pic related into basic shapes. At first I tried drawing a bunch of overlapping circles and triangles, but wasn't really happy with the result.

loomis has defeated me

>>6571536
think of the bangs like ribbons or paper in the wind

>>6571536
looks like a pattern more than hair

little study

>learning Japanese while learning to draw
Wish I had infinite time bros, why do all my interest consume so much time

>>6571745
>2023
still dont know nihongo
anon...

So just keep copying? I gotta admit I'm getting discouraged but I won't stop. My copying is getting better, but the temptation to learn construction is bothering me, but I dont wanna WESTOID my shit up. It's hard, how do I know I'm learning? I can copy much better than a month ago. Faster too, but where do I go from here? How do I go BEYOND? I'm not gonna listen to that crab fag, I'm just gonna keep pushing.

>>6569288
finished piece, any criticism welcome

>>6571798
You vill keep copying, you vill not create anything from imagination and you vill be happy.

>>6570810
cute

>>6571798
krenz said it best himself: after you study, recreate it from your own imagination. it's like a muscle. then apply the fundamentals to your own process of creation (you draw a head-like shape from your memory instead of from reference).
you won't get better at imaginative drawing from just copying.

>>6571808
>>6569288
forgot to post again! heres the piece

>>6571798
maybe try pick a specific artist and/or charcter and basically memorize how to draw a style or a character. a month of copies is probably not enough

>>6571814
Wait, so I should learn basic construction then? Any reccs? Loomis is painful for me.

>>6571816
Alright, fuck gonna keep going. Just gonna keep doing it.

>>6571798
>I'm getting discouraged

You know nothing about being discouraged. This pit is bottomless, it shows you newer and newer facets with each passing year. One day you think you are at your lowest and it can't get any worse. One month later you realize it absolutely can.

What I'm trying to tell is being discouraged is normal when learning to draw and actively searching for ways to improve because of how painfully slow the process is. Get used to it.

>>6571865
The endless pit of despair that is comparing yourself to others who have years of experience on you.

>>6571798
Yes, Keep copying. You are following the right direction that way. Your effort will not be in vain.

>>6571798
nta
>I can copy much better than a month ago
>month ago
krenz said one month of accuracy drawing is enough to start learning in perspective, you still need to do your daily accuracy tho.
>I should learn basic construction then?
yes
>Any reccs? Loomis is painful for me.
dunno, i did drawabox lesson 1-2 + 250 box challenge(the challenge is a waste of time) and i only learn a bit of perspective, after that i just brute force(that took a lot of time) while watching videos about perspective...then, once i learn perspective i realized that i need accuracy/observations skills otherwise my construction will be always off....
You can try the Krenz perspective course
https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-Persp-Course-ad3bf41d23a846bc8077b06fa56b8881
use this as a reference on how to do the homework if you dont understand something
https://youtu.be/0BuQGfUEsnY

I really want to learn to render but I'm too stubborn to just straight out copying.

>>6571902
Don’t listen to this fag, you’ll end up drawing westoid shit.

I did this for an anon in a drawthread

>>6571907
>dont learn perspective/construction
>you’ll end up drawing westoid shit.
LOL
https://twitter.com/frengchiano2/status/1457689384124248067
https://youtu.be/avcygKfCoXQ
https://youtu.be/lLUC-iJTeD8
https://youtu.be/_QXV_TGS3HM

nice try trollfag

I did this for an anon in a drawthread

how often do you drag your sketch over the picture when doing krenz accuracy work? i’m scared that if i do it too much my eyes won’t develop

>>6571998
I've been drawing 6 years and I've never done that. The artists of the past also couldn't do that. Nobody could overlay their drawings until digital art was invented. Just draw a lot

>>6571998
i do it once towards the end then correct, then again at the end i guess. i did it a lot more at the start and it basically felt like tracing

>>6571998
I just do it to check when i'm done and write down the things ive gotten wrong

10 minute doodle before mid terms

>>6571821
>disrespecting Rumisu-sensei
You will never be an anime artist.

>>6571907
pyw

>>6567162
do people unironically use this system?

>>6570297
>how the hell do you draw limbs
learn these curves

>>6571815
Doesn't actually look finished

>>6570297
S curves

>>6572321
>>6572382
appreciate the asnwers
hopefully mine will stop looking like sausages

>>6572307
What's the point of this? It feels like barely a step above tracing.

I don't usually draw anime and rarely visit this general but I was drawing one of my kisekae OCs and wanted to post her here. It's supposed to be a nerdy scene girl. In my experience drawing your own kisekae characters (or any character created with an avatar maker) is fun and it can help you find your own style.

>>6572430
Lose the nose, widen the eyes, and lower the eyes. Also copy more anime

>>6572435
>Lose the nose
Not aiming for that style. I appreciate the advice.

>>6570896
bocchi copy this time

>>6572430
>kisekae
>is fun and it can help you find your own style.
use AI to generate 2000 characters and choose the best one

>>6572475
>use AI to generate 2000 characters and choose the best one
No thanks. I still have a soul.

How much anatomy knowledge do I need to draw faces like these?

What is the ratio of stylization here?

>>6569949
Magenta, the shoulders are assymetrical, and the upper torso is fucked, like the torso gets too thin too quickly, not really showing any indication for the abdominal area. Also, I kinda feel the eyes are bit too different of sizes, and the hair needs more design.
>inb4 its just a doodle lmao i wanted 2 know about naokis course, bro!!!
I took the Naoki Saitou 3 month book challenge for about a month but had to sort of postpone it several times due to school. Currently though I'm getting back into it and yeah I'd say it's proving to be very successful, even with other responsibilities stealing away my time. Copying/emulating a popular illustrator guy's illustration style for his rendering and design has proven to be extremely efficient in making my art better both technically and in terms of people liking my artwork. I would say its moreso a training direction than an actual art fundamentals course (the krenz courses are basically all I've been using since I posted them here, and since the anons reposted it for me after my friend took it down).

>>6572307
>>6572424
that was one of my first bros, of course i would overdo it with the lines. i didn't ask for it to get added to the OP or anything...
i'm like 20 dogs in and now i don't copy dogs no more!

>>6572518
sauce?

>>6572756
The one on the right looks weird for some reason.

>>6573091
the one on the right is clearly the copy

>>6572756
Most soulless way to draw

anyone else use bjds as a reference? i find that its really helpful compared to stills

>>6572552
>Magenta
Pink anon, fren
>the shoulders are assymetrical, and the upper torso is fucked, like the torso gets too thin too quickly, not really showing any indication for the abdominal area. Also, I kinda feel the eyes are bit too different of sizes, and the hair needs more design.
fair, it was a quick drawing but some more time spent and a canvas flip would have made it better.
>I took the Naoki Saitou 3 month book challenge for about a month but had to sort of postpone it several times due to school. Currently though I'm getting back into it and yeah I'd say it's proving to be very successful, even with other responsibilities stealing away my time. Copying/emulating a popular illustrator guy's illustration style for his rendering and design has proven to be extremely efficient in making my art better both technically and in terms of people liking my artwork.
Yeah, that's why I have been considering it this method of actually finishing pieces instead of unrelated drills that rarely get implemented. I feel like i will get more of doing things this way than theory crafting and mindless studies. either way it's nice to here that someone has some success with doing things this way. I already started it and can see were stylaztion has been lacking already.

>>6573091
there's no indication as to from which direction you're looking his tongue from so it looks wonky.

>>6572430
>>6572460
don't fall for the dot nose bait, but also don't draw the entire nose bridge like that. especially not in a front shot
in case of chun-li, see how lines are only for the nostrils while the rest of her nose is just a composition of different values. use hatching for subtle value changes instead of lines

I wish I could draw sexy cheerleaders.
>human body
>pom-poms
>clothing and how it interacts with the body
>sneakers
So much in one generic backgroundless image...

What are some good streamers who really start every drawing from zero?

>>6573635
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Is the widest part of the hair (almost) always around the eye level?
I'm having a problem drawing hair because the figure loses "balance" is there an unspoken rule about anime hair (regardless of the style)?

>>6573695
I'm not talking about perspective btw I literally mean around the eyes
Please excuse my ESL speaking

>>6572135
post a webm

>>6573695
>Is the widest part of the hair (almost) always around the eye level?
no, that will vary greatly from haircut and angle

>>6570297

>>6570297
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SKIP LEG DAY....
>how the hell do you draw limbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nxib2RWGdA&list=PLGdORlgpQW-ieeo8D2aNu5agM6zBCIjaH&ab_channel=Proko

>>6573743
well maybe not in every case but I find it hard to find examples that break that "rule"
it's almost always around the eyes or beloved, never above (not counting ponytails)

>>6573695
>widest part of the hair (almost)
you mean sidelocks

>>6567162
can i get some feedback
first time finishing something in 5 years :/

>>6573789
well the hair comes from the top of the skull, it would be unnatural if the hair is wide at the top and it gets thinner as it falls

>>6573695
Is the widest part of the hair (almost) always around the eye level?
because the mid of face(eyes) is the widest part of the head/skull

>>6573695
>Is the widest part of the hair (almost) always around the eye level?
yes, because the middle/horizontal of the face(eyes lvl) is the widest part of the head/skull

>>6573805
>gyaru girl
fix the head
floating in the air
>megane guy
broken neck
doesnt have legs
floating in the air

>>6573816
it's logical but anime haircuts aren't always logical, as talking more from a composition perspective
granted I'm a retard (hence why I'm here asking this question) but I always had an easy time drawing the head from different angles and stuff but drawing the hair is hard no matter how many books about hair I read, I wish there were a set of rules

>>6573826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxEl8FGcMHU&list=PLC1w0JHZX_rhdv__lLHVhEoHb5j6LOvrD&index=12&ab_channel=ASG

>>6573835

>>6573825
what are these green texts? and alright thanks ill do better then time

>>6573847
i dont know the name of the characters

>>6570911
I have failed you on the background. I got frustrated, even though what I was going for looked okay before I erased it.
Overall I'm happy with this. Big difference in terms of quality from what I drew earlier this year and late last year. A bit of construction on the head does help alongside of viewing a favorite artist of mine.
A lot of gripes though. Ikeep gravitating towards thicker brush sizes and weird brushes in general. I want to work with G-Pen since I see most artists I follow use it and the results look nice.

>>6573990
Cute!! I recommend you post it in the currently active /v/hu thread for tons of (you)s:
>>>/v/631667160

anyone got diagrams on how to draw that anime muzzle/shark face

>>6572424
training your eye
helps you learn line control and placement, if its art you like you're looking at it more intimately

>>6574940

>>6574949
how does one consturct these

>>6575063
copy loomis

>>6575063

>>6575063
the lines are right there in the picture

>>6573805
it's nice, but I'd probably do something like this. I'm not good with the animoo but hope it helps

>>6574940
>shark face
the monkey snout??

>download one image from each twitter artist I follow
Good idea?

>>6575661
for what?

>>6575344
very nice red line, ill have to pay more attention to my forms next time. very helpful insight

All I want from drawing is anime girls, right? So I thought to myself - what's stopping me from using AI to draw characters for me, while I focus on developing painting skills and learning to fix the errors it makes? That way, I skip the most annoying part.
I've been doing this for a week now, and it's fun as fuck. I generate whatever I want to draw, spend some time making sure the output is good (pic related is a good example), and then shamelessly draw over the outline, minding the errors AI made and putting my own touches. Then I try to paint it myself.
Before I couldn't force myself to draw, but now I can't stop. It's like a game. And I feel some improvement - my linework is getting a lot better, I'm actually finishing stuff instead of sitting upon piles of ugly sketches, and I'm starting to grasp the basics of shading.
I dunno if you can call this being an artist or not, but it's fun.

>>6575791
Not an artist, wdym. Being artist ain't fun /s
I'd argue making shit sketches repeatedly do more than finishing sketches that you didn't do much on. Although I understand how difficult it'd be to practice.

>>6575791
Well if you want to be a copyist then that's good for you
But we want to actually draw things here

>>6575791
What exactly was stopping you from doing it before with an artist's existing work?

>can't even copy a simple chibi without repeating it many times
t-that's okay right?

>>6575791
The issue is that if you were too dumb/lazy to do something before AI, you're still too dumb/lazy to do it after AI. See >>6575812

>>6575791
>just only copying anime causes /asg/ shitter to have a mental breakdown, and quit to use A.l instead
Who would have seen that coming

>>6575819
what's the alternative

>>6575812
Artstyles are less consistent, and you don't get as much variation. Plus, it's not fun to trace something that's already good, fixing things is part of the fun for me.
>>6575819
If anything, this allows me to step away from grinding anime figures and faces for once, and focus on painting real life objects. AI can't do backgrounds, it can't do correct shading either. So that's what I want to learn.

>>6575815
Yes, that's ok. Don't give up.

>>6575828
>Plus, it's not fun to trace something that's already good,
Most artists are very capable of improving on the work they post, they simply don't fall into a perfectionist spiral. Aren't you able to see anything at all that could be changed...?

>>6575830
Gotta admit, it's humbling to see what's essentially a simple set of strokes be so hard to follow.

>>6575833
I'm not arrogant enough to judge a professional's work like that, as if I can do better. I can easily judge whatever AI outputs though, because it's incapable of keeping the detail consistent, especially in elaborate and/or fantastical clothing.

>>6575827
Copy more anime

how do i learn to render/color like japanese artists?

>>6575843
>arrogant
it's not arrogance to look at something and notice a small issue or two

>>6575859
it's impossible, just give up

>>6575859
its literally genetic, you simply can't

>>6567162
Source on the Japanese chubster?

>>6567211
trying out some new styles, it's referenced but hardly looks like the ref

>>6574949
where is this from?

https://donmai.moe/
Donmai is down, is there another sfw mirror of danbooru?

>>6576184
safebooru?

>>6567344
Do more fast copies where you aren't as worried about making 1:1 duplications.

>>6575812
The real answer is that he feels like AI sanitizes the art theft for him. He's the person who wouldn't slaughter a chicken to eat it, but will gladly order fried drumsticks at KFC.

>>6567218
literally just choose one and go for it. get inspired, visualize a concept for something original you want to make using that style as a springboard and strike while the iron's hot and under NO circumstances should you ever copy without thinking. it's a waste of time, it's boring, it doesn't lead to creativity and it doesn't lead to better drawing skills either. styles are vastly overestimated anyways, you don't have to be a pro to branch out/experiment and you definitely don't need to know ALL of your fundies at a 100% before breaking some of the rules or stylizing, contrary to what some crabs might say
i feel like 99% of posters here just sit on the edge of the swimming pool and keep asking themselves silly questions instead of jumping in and swimming

>>6576333
Sounds reasonable. When you think about it, AI is like a more "2D" puppet tool.

>>6576261
Doesnt have as nearly as many images

honestly not sure this is even the place for this but it should count as anime nonetheless
>>6573695
what you did was just following the skull, which hair naturally does already. i strongly advise you look up real hair, there's tons of haircuts that break up the natural silhouette of the head. try looking up bobs - there's ones that are wider at the top of the head (think the karen look) and ones that are widest at the bottom and create a sort of fanned out look
>>6569949
the anon w/ the critiques is right (except the part about the hair, idk what he's on about)
that being said the design and style are both very appealing, do you have a blog?
>>6571815
>>6571905
>>6571936
>>6576077
>>6573990
these also rule

>>6575791
This is not a place for you
you don't belong here

>>6576351
NTA, but why?

>>6576370
NTA but the dude is just mindless tracing over pictures and basically learning nothing. At least with a side by side copies he's improving observation and visual library. he should come back to the study thread when hes ready to take off the training wheels.

>これはなかなか、今までの本の中で一番わかりやすいです!
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1186964871880957953
remember to study real anatomy

>>6576398
You do learn stuff from tracing, albeit obviously slowly. Repeating something a thousand times always leaves an imprint, that's why people are told to just draw, no matter what. If that's the way for you to enjoy the process, it's a valid first step (and that's how countless artists began when they were kids).
Improving observation shouldn't be done through cartoons, you need to observe anatomical models with visible musculature. Cartoons approximate the anatomy too much, you won't learn what you don't see.

>>6576444
Word salad post to justify tracing
Every time

>>6576503
Tracing doesn't help you with anatomy or construction, but it helps with other fundies - line practice, and training your hand. As you draw over the lines, you're practicing things like line weight, wrist and elbow movement, drawing proper round shapes (a bane of any beginner's existence), etc. This may sound very basic, but you need to master these basics anyway.
Shaming people for learning in their own way is crab mentality at its finest. Let them do whatever they want, art is not a race.

>>6567205
>person that draws men has best grasp on anatomy and style
Interesting how that always happens

>>6576523
Nice samefag. I'll reply to your post next time so you don't feel the need to do this.

>>6576523
i almost couldnt tell it was a man, i literally coomed so hard

>>6576520
Exactly. Tracing, like AI, is a tool like any other. Let artists do whatever they want.

>>6576821
As Vilppu famously said - no rules, just tools. As long as you're developing your skills, people like your results, you're not plagiarizing, and you enjoy the process - all is well.

>>6576842
That vilppu quote is made in reference to body construction methods.
But of course AI shit skins like you will always twist contexts and spin words to justify your despicable attitudes.

are anime characters real women with stylized heads or are their bodies stylized too? im not talking about oversized breasts

>>6576842
>plagiarizing
lmao the original post that started this argument basically wanted to trace (plagiarize) Illustrations made by machine code copying other artists' works (plagiarizing). gone senile already?

>>6576842
>>6576821
cat out of the bag sirs

>>6576846
Spend less time arguing, and more time drawing. If you did - pyw. If you didn't - stop seething at anonymous people on /ic/ and draw.
>>6576851
You're getting your ethics mixed up. AI output is not plagiarism by itself (unless it's overfitted), anyone would tell you that it's transformative enough (and it's all in public domain to boot). What people have an issue with is art being used in the algorithm without the permission of the original artist. That sucks, and some sort of regulation should help with that.

>>6576846
Probably the most misused quote ever used here. Doesn't matter what's taken or used, to push a nasty agenda.

>>6576859
Take your own advice, retard

>>6576842
>>6576859
Kill yourself streetshitter

>>6576869
Already did, but I didn't post it. Might do a quick sketch of Asuka right now.

>>6576859
>AI output is not plagiarism
There. The fucking word twisting.
Go burn up and die.

>>6576876
You're ruining the thread. Just fuck off.

report the aifag
stop replying

Sketch done. The arms look stubby as fuck. At least the face is nice, I think.

body construction
how do

>>6577164
Read Loomis. The human body can be simplified into basic shapes, like cylinders and cubes. You need to learn how to visualize and draw those first. Then, simply build the body out of them, and try to add detail - that's when you learn more advanced anatomy, like muscles, because they turn shapes into bodyparts. Also, google gesture drawing, it would help you understand proportions and dynamics.
It's not an easy process though, so DO NOT think you can just sit down and grind. You'll burn out in no time.

>>6577133
I mostly just did some moving and rotating around

>>6577210
Thanks! The arms look way better now. She's not supposed to look at the camera though, but that's whatever.

>>6577179
thanks

>>6577179
>Read Loomis
Lmao

no anon no don't read loomis it's dogshit

>>6577223
You don't have to do the stupid cartoon heads, just learn the theory. Also yes, anime heads don't actually follow his construction, but we're talking bodies.

Do you all use boxes or spheres for drawing the figure?

>>6577229
>anime heads don't actually follow his construction
Wait really?
That might explain why I find them so hard to draw without a reference.

>>6577281
You do that for a while, until you come to a point where you can draw a figure freehand.
>>6577294
Yes, you just place the eyes, nose, and mouth in a way that makes them look best, with some suggestion of 3D space, but no hard rules. You can use Loomis' method, and people do, but that's not how most Japanese artists draw heads.

>>6577298
Sorry I meant if the people here use either boxes or spheres as basis for the figure, of course some sort of construction is necessary.
Whenever I draw a body constructed with boxes it looks stiff as hell, yet with spheres I have issues properly attaching the arms and legs, so I'm curious how most people do it.

>>6577318
Just google it, the Internet is full of guides.

>>6576350
no blog but thanks anon :)

>>6575063
if you got a shit monitor like me and also cant see. there is a grid of guidelines for mouth, nose, eyes, eyebrows and head center line. only reason i can see is because lightshot has a dark enough overlay for me to see that shit.

>>6577323
perspective and angles scare me.

>>6577422
>perspective and angles scare me.
sensitize your eyes to see angles and perspective will be easy peasy
>how
improve your observation skills

>like an artist
>want to copy his style
>catch: it's his early style before he veered off into an unpleasant direction
what do?

>>6577496
>it's his early style before he veered off into an unpleasant direction
who?

>>6577514
Many such cases.

>>6577543
Mogudan, for example, in his early years was just copying Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, so if you wanna draw like that, go to the source.

tough

>>6568831
I've been looking everywhere for that particular tutorial from Pin2D but it disappeared from the channel. What's up with that?

more men from imagination

Will learning perspective be the first step towards me being able to draw like this?

>>6578617
yes

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>>6578845
>>6578845

>>6569509
is this supposed to be a guy?
I think head too large, ears too high, redo nose since it doesn't make sense
hips too large for female but you do you, I don't know if it's feminine man or anything but here I tried to redraw on top of your art.
also pushed the head back a little, keep in mind you can use the lasso selection tool to just shift everything like I did with the head. don't be afraid to just redraw on top of your drawings but most of all keep your old drawings and try to redline them or redraw the lines

you're at least close to getting good at fundamentals and after that you're good on your own. I assume this was imagination drawing or did it have refs?
just mind your ratios. like in here I labeled the ratios of the face, and the arms, the nipple is at the center of the rear arm, the wrist somewhat around the crotch area etc etc. the hair is at least okay enough. refer to the thing on upper left

I do ratios after getting lines first, like with your art I tried to pull off the ratios after seeing it but that's my technique, whatever works.

>>6578895
blind leading the blind

>>6578895
bro this is peak /beg/line

>>6571798
>lern2copy
>mastercopy
>lern2visualize
>inb4 aphantasia
>mastervisualize
>???
>profit

>>6578636
aw man looking at the left then right is making my head spin