/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6566790]

>200 followers
>post art about/using popular tags
>8 views 12 hours later
Fuck this piece of shit platform

[Anonymous No.6566801]

private corporation :)
feel free to create a competitor :)
we're not in a socialist shit hole :-)))

[Anonymous No.6566804]

>>6566790
try using ai

[Anonymous No.6566807]

>90 followers
>post art with no tags or 1 tag at the most
>1k views a day later
You'll make any excuse

[Anonymous No.6566810]

>>6566790
its a social network, you have to be social, and network, in order to grow. i know it seems counter intuitive to us antisocial schizo's but thats how i grew

[Anonymous No.6566812]

>>6566810
In other words, you have to posses the vernacular of a teenaged girl to attract mouth breathing retards.

[Anonymous No.6566819]

>>6566790
Maybe your art just isn’t good enough yet

[Anonymous No.6566825]

>>6566819
How would Twitter know? Dumbass

[Anonymous No.6566828]

>500k flws
>only 300 patreons

meanwhile
>40k flws
>2k patreons

Its not about mah likes, its about engaging with your fans

[Anonymous No.6566831]

>>6566810
How do you network on twitte?

[Anonymous No.6566832]

>>6566810
aka being a ATTENTION WHORE

[Anonymous No.6566833]

>>6566790
>using tags on Twitter
Bro

[Anonymous No.6566836]

>>6566833
>not using tags on twitter
bro...

[Anonymous No.6566850]

>>6566825
Tags can only do so much especially if you used something as generic as #GameName. What you want are retweets, likes, comments, which will spread your post directly to other people’s feeds. But if you aren’t getting engagement then it simply means your art is still shit

[Anonymous No.6566857]

>>6566850
Low views aren't lack of engagement, it's a platform failure, low likes despite normal/high views would be an art failure.

[Anonymous No.6566861]

>>6566857
200 followers really isn’t that many, it’s not that surprising if most of them missed the post. As for the tag, op said a “popular tag” was used but who knows.

[Anonymous No.6566862]

>>6566801
Kys faggot

[Anonymous No.6566864]

>>6566801
Hi Elon

[Anonymous No.6566870]

>post your work
>nobody cares
>somebody else posts your work
>OMG THIS IS AMAZING

[Anonymous No.6566872]

>>6566790
if you are a weebshit, post on pixiv and link your twitter in the description, you will get 20k in no time if your art is really good

[Anonymous No.6566876]

>post work
>it flops
>deletes work
I'm totally drawing for myself, guys. I enjoy the process of art and could care less about likes.

[Anonymous No.6566878]

>>6566861
8 views on 200 followers means Twitter didn't even deliver your post to more than 5% of your followers. Views are counted when your post is loaded in someone's feed, not when they physically see it, not if they click on it, not when they scroll past it, it just has to be loaded into a feed, combine that with the fact at least half if not more of those could come from the tag and not followers and it means Twitter is serving your posts to just 1-2% of your followers (at least when you're still small).

[Anonymous No.6566884]

>post something on Twitter
>usually active there, commenting, interacting, liking, retweeting, trying to game tags and time of day etc
>same situation as OP, post forgotten after a day
>post the same thing on Instagram
>barely use it, never even open it unless it's to post something, don't care about tags and time of day
>hundreds of likes, dozens more over the next couple of weeks, get new followers almost every day

Twitter users are just shit

[Anonymous No.6566897]

>>6566884
>>6566870
Once you reach a certain skill, a lot of success is just luck. The more you post, the better chances you have if getting your lucky break.

[Anonymous No.6566899]

>>6566812
i just compliment peoples work and they compliment mine, some people you get a long with better and it becomes an actual friendship. you dont need to adhere to zoomer tumblr lingo to say "love your work!"
>>6566831
just be friendly and tell them what you like about their work, leave nice comments, retweet, ect.
>>6566832
this is why you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.6566905]

>just opened new twitter account
>use 2 tags
>3k views 250 likes
T-this is good right?

[Anonymous No.6566913]

>>6566897
>op is worse than >>6543329
oh no no no

[Anonymous No.6566919]

>>6566899
>just suck up bro
Terrible idea

[Anonymous No.6566922]

>>6566919
>anon thinks being friendly is sucking up
idk why i even bother trying to help you fuckers

[Anonymous No.6566925]

>>6566922
Everyone knows you're being fake and trying to crib from their success with an ulterior motive dumbass autist

[Anonymous No.6566926]

>>6566922
Why else you think the anti social kind get bullied?

[Anonymous No.6566961]

>>6566801
>we're not in a socialist shit hole :-)))
If that were the case, there would be competition, instead we have governments lobbying in favor of companies that either align with their agenda or that are too powerful to lose the support of.

[Anonymous No.6566986]

>>6566790
Tags don't work that way on Twitter. They are made for spontaneous trends (mostly political and marketing), not to help users find old content.
You must publish your art on other platforms and redirect people to Twitter if you want to grow. Or keep posting until some big artist stumble upon your work and retweet it.

[Anonymous No.6566990]

>>6566986
This, honestly. I saw darkstalkers was trending with 25k+ post and a felicia post gotten 500 likes within 2 hours. Only 13 followers btw.

[Anonymous No.6566998]

>>6566986
No one thinks they work that way, people can still manually search for stuff or open up the tag to see recent posts with the tag, if it's not something niche it should result in more traffic than not tagging at all regardless of what's trending.

[Anonymous No.6567019]

>>6566801
governments favor the capitalist economic model because they form natural monopolies that don't look or feel like monopolies, which makes it easier for governments to control. free markets cannot exist under capitalism

[Anonymous No.6567020]

>>6566998
>people can still manually search for stuff
They can. But are they doing it? Absolutely not. Only a very small portion of people does this. And don't forget that the majority of users are on mobile (around 80%). All they do is scroll, scroll, scroll and scroll to see what's on their timeline.
If you still want to use tags then it's no more than two.

[Anonymous No.6567022]

>>6566925
posts like this really shine a light on why so many channers are miserable

[Anonymous No.6567041]

>>6567022
The shitter will be sent to jail like the other

[Anonymous No.6567060]

>>6566790
can someone tell me how to use twitter? what's the etiquette?
i just started posting there the other day, i @'d a professional artist who's course i've been following, showing work i created with the help of his course. i didn't think he'd notice that i mentioned him in my tweet, but he retweeted my art the same day and i got a few thousand hits on it with a some likes/retweets. compare that to my only other post which got maybe 10 hits (i'm thinking twitter limits exposure for new accounts).

should i be trying to @ more popular artists like this to gain exposure? like, create some art of their OC or whatever and @ them? i didn't know @'ing people would notify them or anything i just thought it was a way to give credit, kind feel like it would just annoy them. is this the way to get exposure? to use popular artists for your own gain? seems pretty shameless.

[Anonymous No.6567075]

>>6567060
Trying @ing popular artist like once every 3 weeks to 1 month. Constantly doing that will make you be seen as “that” guy and will affect your growth long term. Build your platform by yourself and post many artwork in the mean time while you wait for the 3 weeks to be up. Post fanart too of popular series or games.

[Anonymous No.6567102]

>>6567060
@ing people will get you buried somewhere in their notifications. Can't speak for everyone but people are unlikely to respond to @'s from randos. Furthermore I think the twitter algo treats posts with @'s and links unfavorably.

[Anonymous No.6567104]

>>6566922
This is why i'm not friendly, because others will always think you're trying to suck up to them or sell them something.
No matter what you do, it is met with hostile sentiment.
On the other hand, there are enough reasons as to doubt someone's friendliness.

Those who are overly friendly or desperately try to keep up an image as being
>"the wholesome person who has no ounce of negativity and wants to help you"
are absolutely trying to groom or manipulate you or have ulterior motives.

Even then, if you draw like shit and you know it and then gets comments like
>"OMG THIS IS SO GOOD AND WELL DONE WOW UR AN AMAZING ARTIST"
how in the fuck are you not raising an eyebrow?
>>6566810
I lol
i even lmao

Twitter is all about bigger accounts boosting you or outright buying likes/followers/retweets.
The "networking" to grow on twitter is done outside of twitter.
If you don't know anybody, it doesn't matter what you do; you could be able to melt diamonds with your ass and it still wouldn't get you one follower.
If anything Twitter is just another porn site and brand accounts trying to be le ebin memers to appeal to zooomers completely reign over it.
It's a glorified porn/ad site that virtually has no real people on it.

[Anonymous No.6567106]

>>6567102
> Can't speak for everyone but people are unlikely to respond to @'s from randos.
Normalfags yes, but artist no.

[Anonymous No.6567114]

>>6567104
>” OMG THIS IS SO GOOD AND WELL DONE WOW UR AN AMAZING ARTIST"
Normalfags are genuine with their comments, other artist above /beg/, not so much.

[Anonymous No.6567116]

>>6567114
Normalfags also don't bother with art unless it's some meme or relatable comic about how it's literally them.
Or porn.

[Anonymous No.6567126]

>>6567104
Some of the things you said hit home. The internet was originally used by people to escape from complicated social rules in real life and find like-minded individuals but now with the way social media is just navigating it gives me a headache and is even more socially complicated than real life now that I don’t even bother with it anymore.

[Anonymous No.6567129]

>>6567020
>>6566986
Can adding tags to your post hurt??
>t. not a twitter user

[Anonymous No.6567134]

>>6567104
are you serious man? its just being friendly, i've had artists i really respect and like reciprocate and follow me back and support me just by commenting under their post about their work. there is brown nosing, and then there is being friendly and supporting someones art that you like

to your second point, im just sharing the advice that worked for me, i started at 0 with 0 followers or friends, and worked my way up to thousands within about 3-4 months, and along the way i had big artists follow me and support me. i did this all by sharing good art, and being friendly to those adjacent to me, all through twitter, with zero hashtags.

again, i dont know why i even bother trying to help you guys,

[Anonymous No.6567139]

>>6567129
Too much tags on Twitter makes you look like a bot for the Twitter algorithm and for users. Most marketing guides tell you to use ideally 2 and 3 at max.

[Anonymous No.6567143]

>>6567129
No, but adding more than 2 or 3 hurts

[Anonymous No.6567148]

>>6567126
Originally, most things on the internet were truly organic, because people's mentality was also vastly different and not hyperfixated on reaching some sort of social success.
They were just genuine people trying to have fun.
>>6567134
I mean, ok, are you expecting an award or something?
>idk why i bother
No one is forcing you to do anything but in this time and age where social predators are the norms, you can't seriously call someone a fag for not believing every single thing people say.
If it's true, good for you though
if you want me to pay a monthly subscription to learn your secrets, then go fuck yourself.
If you're just trying to bait people so you can call them crabs and be the epic troll, then what the fuck are you doing with your life?

[Anonymous No.6567152]

>>6566986
>write in print
>add 2 curves for N and 3 for M
You are a domestic terrorist, young man.

[Anonymous No.6567154]

>>6567152
And it's not in Minecraft.
But I'm not American. There is a mix of everything there.

[Anonymous No.6567180]

I've been at 700~ or so followers for awhile now.

I like to think of it as being an underground artist. I'm all kinds of anti-establishment which is why I post here rather than somewhere that isn't a literal shithole filled with the scum of the internet. Like Han Solo chilling at the mos eisley cantina.

[Anonymous No.6567183]

I just want to follow my favorite jap artists, retweet and like their stuff in hopes of them following me back. Is it because I am a fucking westoid? Not gonna lie 90% of my feed is all about moonrunes I don't understand but it looks cool to me. God I wish I was nipponji.

[Anonymous No.6567188]

>>6567183
Your art need to be good enough. I see many western artist being followed by jp artist, even dino follows a lot of them.

[Anonymous No.6567230]

>>6567180
If this is your art, you can definitely get more than 700 followers

[Anonymous No.6567241]

>>6566899
>just be friendly and tell them what you like about their work, leave nice comments, retweet, ect.

Sounds reasonable enough, except for the fact that the artists I follow have hundreds of comments already.. What am I even supposed to say?

"Omg wwoooooww I loove your art!!! (obnoxious dick breather emojis and hearts)

[Anonymous No.6567245]

>>6567241
Drawing reactions

[Anonymous No.6567247]

>>6567245
what do you mean

[Anonymous No.6567249]

>>6566801
>feel free to create a competitor :)
It shouldn't have to be a competition, it should just be dedicating to demand for better.

[Anonymous No.6567250]

>>6567247
I mean draw little doodles as a form of communication, so your stand out

[Anonymous No.6567258]

>>6567241
i'd recommend you start with people around your size, thats what the term "mutual" means. make mutuals around your size/slightly larger that support each other. that being said i still compliment great artists and a lot have followed me back and been friendly ever since, so its not all a waste, sometimes even just having a good pfp helps you stand out

[Anonymous No.6567262]

>>6567250
You have to at least have 10k followers to be able to do that otherwise you're just going to be classified as another weirdo who wants attention and will be considered annoying.

[Anonymous No.6567263]

>>6566790
Less than a hundred but I almost never draw fanart because I don't enjoy a lot of things these days. And the things I do like are pretty niche. I'm happy in my corner though tbdesu I draw my ocs and post stuff about my comic and my online friends & peers like it too.

I used to have 30k follows on tumblr years ago and I could almost make any post I want viral. But living off of other people's IPs gets depressing when you have a creative mind. Also getting a lot of dms from schizos and falling into arguments with other big accounts runs you down.

[Anonymous No.6567268]

>>6567263
>Also getting a lot of dms from schizos and falling into arguments with other big accounts runs you down.
Got any examples of that? I'm really curious and could use a laugh.

[Anonymous No.6567270]

>>6567183
I have some jp moots. One chinese moot I'm surprised about them following back because they have a few thousand with godtier art and me being a literal who, but I guess there's something they liked about my stuff. It does make me happy when I like someone's art that shows up on my feed and they like one of my posts back. It's not something I see any other culture do, maybe in japan they see it as like an exchange?

[Anonymous No.6567271]

>>6566810
You also have to look your followers in the eye and give them a firm handshake! Make sure you only post art made on the best paper stock, trust me the difference will be all worth it.

[Anonymous No.6567273]

>>6567249
Private entity :)
You're not entitled to anything they do :)
Feel free to leave for other choices in this capitalist system :))
I wonder what choices there is under communism ;))

[Anonymous No.6567274]

>>6567271
crab yourself, i'm sure it will work out by never trying anything new, or being friendly to anyone. everyone loves antisocial cunts, you're gmi

[Anonymous No.6567278]

>>6567230
It is so thanks. I just seem to not be able to get any traction

[Anonymous No.6567280]

>>6567268
Man I wish I do but this was like 2014-2015 and that account has since been hacked by porn bots, but that was already long after I left since the site became unbearable leading up to the 2016 election. I do wish another site like that got popular again because it was nice having a space with just social outcasts talking about their favorite fandoms and hobbies.

But yeah I have fond memories of the danganronpa fags dming gore and coaxing people to kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.6567393]

>>6566790
>200 followers
200 is fucking nothing?

[Anonymous No.6567402]

>>6567393
see >>6566878

[Anonymous No.6567423]

>>6567273
Stop typing like a women.

[Anonymous No.6567473]

>>6567245
>>6567250
Do you have any examples?

>>6567258
>i'd recommend you start with people around your size, thats what the term "mutual" means. make mutuals around your size/slightly larger that support each other. that being said i still compliment great artists and a lot have followed me back and been friendly ever since, so its not all a waste, sometimes even just having a good pfp helps you stand out

What exactly do mutuals do? are we just supposed to repost each others work?

[Anonymous No.6567477]

>240 posts on IG
>comment and like shit every other day
>120 followers
lol whatever

[Anonymous No.6567483]

>>6566801
based elon

[Anonymous No.6567499]

>>6566790
What was the time of day you posted? Supposedly play a large role in whether you get eyeballs or not.

>>6567104
I'm always hesitant to comment on someone's work, because there's not much to say besides "oh this is good", and no one ever likes criticism.

Actually one of my strongest internet memories was writing some helpful criticism to an artist who was using vector - she was making line art with the pen tool, but was making too sharp of on an angle with it and her lines would have these razor thin ugly little straggler sections towards their ends. I gave advice on fixing this.
She blew up on me stating she never asked for criticism and doesn't want to hear it.

Now the only time I write criticism for anyone is probably on here, because everyone is expected to be an asshole.
There my little diary entry guys.


>>6567241
Fan-art of their OCs if you really like them will probably get a retweet and some eyeballs. Use it as a chance to study their character and work out what you like about them.

>>6566884
I have a suspicion it's BECAUSE you're inactive it pushed you to others to try and give you that dopamine hit to make you active.
I wonder if anons who have trouble increasing their follower count simply made a new account (with a vpn), and submitted their pictures again, would they be more successful because twitter would push them?

[Anonymous No.6567516]

>sign up for shitter
>account immediately banned for no reason, without me even posting
>ask to get it back
>no response for nine days
>sign up for shitstagram
>account immediately banned again
>ask to get it back
>they want a picture of my fucking face that I don't want to send
are these crappy platforms even worth it, tumblr support is a thousand times better

[Anonymous No.6567518]

>>6566801

[Anonymous No.6567526]

>>6567473
be friends and repost each others work yes, eventually you get bigger and bigger mutuals and your reach potential increases exponentially.

[Anonymous No.6567551]

>>6567516
>account immediately banned for no reason, without me even posting
Same thing happened to me, I was just following people and they assumed I was a bot.

>they want a picture of my fucking face that I don't want to send
Tell them to fuck off. What kinda creepy background check shit is this? Twitter was just happy with the fact I emailed them, I didn't need to do anything else.

[Anonymous No.6567565]

>>6567551
>Tell them to fuck off.
I would but so many people are shilling it and saying it's the best way to get followers, idk what to do

[Anonymous No.6567573]

>draw character from popular thing
>3000 retweets
>draw my favorite character from lesser known thing
>20 retweets
what does this mean about my art?

[Anonymous No.6567574]

>>6567499
>Actually one of my strongest internet memories was writing some helpful criticism to an artist who was using vector - she was making line art with the pen tool, but was making too sharp of on an angle with it and her lines would have these razor thin ugly little straggler sections towards their ends. I gave advice on fixing this.
She blew up on me stating she never asked for criticism and doesn't want to hear it.
Sorry to hear that man, probably bad luck you had to give critique to that unhinged artist in particular, there's still people willing to listen to advice an let others give reasonable critique; if it was me I guess I wouldn't mind as long as is something that can help me

[Anonymous No.6567579]

>>6567573
Nothing in particular? I mean, you're making a comparison between a popular character and a less known one

[Anonymous No.6567587]

>>6567579
so how am i supposed to know which drawing is better and if im improving

[Anonymous No.6567591]

>>6566790
You need appeal to gain followers, working hard is not enough, when will you faggots learn

[Anonymous No.6567607]

>>6567516
It’s because of your email or you’re from a 3rd world shithole

[Anonymous No.6567608]

>>6567587
In that case you should draw again something you did before when you started then sit down to compare and analize to see if there's particular things that have changed or that you're not satisfied with that can be worked on, or ask for a second opinion from someone else, the thing with social media points is that most of the time they are not a surefire method to measure artistic improvement specially when you have a defined goal in said improvement

[Anonymous No.6567610]

>>6567573
>Other artists with less followers draw original art
>1000 RTs
>I draw original art
>50 RTs
Yup. My art is trash.

[Anonymous No.6567628]

>>6566832
Aren't you are a whore looking for attention though?

[Anonymous No.6567634]

>>6566790
Pyw

[Anonymous No.6567641]

>>6567591
>appeal
So, anime tits or woe is me crap?

[Anonymous No.6567654]

>>6567641
No, real skill and real appeal, stop coping, you all sound like BluebottleFlyer

[Anonymous No.6567661]

>>6567654
That requires too much work. Coombux are easier to do

[Anonymous No.6567665]

>>6567654
how do i grind appeal?

[Anonymous No.6567727]

>>6567665
rhythm, colour, and composition.

[Anonymous No.6567751]

>>6567665
>>6567727
it is not only that, study the work of artists that you like in particular and not only because it is popular (if you like something that is popular it is also ok) learn to identify what things you like about that work and why, then try to recreate that feeling in your work, it is not easy but all hard work pays off.

[Anonymous No.6567792]

>>6567751
Oh sure, but that's just general advice to getting better (particularly good for finding your own style). "rhythm, colour, and composition" are the elements that create appeal and draw the eye.
You can draw an amazing and realistic figure, but with poor composition and no rhythm, it won't be nearly as appealing. I shouldn't even have to state the appeals of good colour control.

The thing with rhythm though, is it seems there is very little written about it. Every time it comes up, it's about a single page, with different elements discussed. I think a proper in depth look into it would make a bog-standard art book into a must-have.

[Anonymous No.6567864]

>>6566790
maybe people don't like the drawing that you post

[Anonymous No.6567869]

>>6567751
I dont like any artists

[Anonymous No.6567876]

>>6567869
Then why should anyone like your work?

[Anonymous No.6567880]

>>6567499
A few times i pointed out real clear mistakes and of course it backfired.
Not only did this artist blow up on me, but their fans where eager to tell me just how wrong and jealous i was.
I mean, it was things like a pillow shaded fan-art painting having a warped iris most probably due to liquify tool, or another piece of fanart having crooked eyes and too sharp of a chin.
And you try to be as helpful as possible but people will just pile on you for being negative.
Or god forbid, you actually disagree with the "critique" of another person who is just blatantly praising the art.

I'm hesitant for these reasons as well, especially since the only alternative is to praise the work.
I don't want to make friends or mutuals or even be near such people who are only after compliments, they will drain your soul and then cast you aside when they have no more use for you.
This is what anons also don't get here when they so desperately look for friends;
Who says anyone would want to be their friends and then get dragged into drama if you don't shower them with praise and attention whenever they want it?
Such people are tiring to have around.

And if praise is all some people need to consider you a friend, they're not really worth investing your time in a friendship with them. It will never develop beyond mutual convenience based on some abstract goals and social needs.

[Anonymous No.6567947]

>>6567869
I don't believe you, it's impossible that you don't like any art medium, you wouldn't even be interested in being an artist in the first place.

[Anonymous No.6567990]

>>6566810
This you have to draw fanart for other people on twitter in hopes of them retweeting you, or comment on popular posts so that people will click on your profile and maybe follow if they like what they see

[Anonymous No.6568048]

Are you not gonna post your work?

[Anonymous No.6568059]

>>6567864
Views are not likes dumbass ESL

[Anonymous No.6568150]

>>6566790
192 of your follows are either not very active, follow 1000s of people and dont bother viewing it all, or are bots

[Anonymous No.6568213]

>>6568150
Nah Elon fucked visibility for everyone that's not a subscriber to Blue, there was uproar recently about people only seeing posts from the accounts they follow in the Following tab while the default For You tab was full of irrelevant bullshit and memes posted by Elon.

[Anonymous No.6568478]

>>6566832
Yes, that's the whole point of social media.

[Anonymous No.6568581]

>>6568213
I’ve got news for you buddy, visibility was fucked long before Elon took helm. Twitter is even worse than instagram at getting eyes on your work. I mean you may as well be posting on an empty server in another galaxy when you use twitter. No one sees your shit unless you’re Patton oswalt.

Just as an example, I’ve grown 2 accounts to over a thousand on instagram using hashtags and drawing art for people. Can’t even break 50 on twitter at all no matter what. People are super stingy with likes, forget about retweets. Only way you might get retweeted is if you join an artmoot circlejerk where the same people retweet you and even that isn’t a sure thing because after a certain period even they stop retweeting you. If you draw fanart for a somewhat mid-sized to big account, it’s akin to playing the lotto expecting to win, only you just spent 2 hours drawing a picture for someone who likely won’t acknowledge it. And this is for mid-sized accounts, just nobodies who have a decent following. A lot of anons suggest socializing and getting to know people but everybody behaves like they’re a big celebrity on twitter, too good to interact with anyone who might be 100 followers off from them. It’s pathetic.

[Anonymous No.6568672]

>>6566790
Welcome to Astroturfing.

Newflash, Twatter has always been a woke plattform, and the Musk did absolutely nothinh to fix it, in fact, he is blatantly anti porn and has done jack all to get rid of the bots and algorythms that only benefit the progs, be an absurdist progressive WORDFILTERboy feminist consoomer making "the face". Oh, whats that? You aint one of those things, that sucks to be you, you are on your own, no, dont ask us for multiple profiles with a single verified account like youtube, no dont ask us for longer tweet character limit, no dont ask us for non-mobile page view mode, no dont ask for no image compression, no dont ask us for tag filters to block certain content, no dont ask for video and animated gif downloads and PAID US 8 BUCKS A MONTH FOR A STUPID BLUECHECKMARK THAT DONT UNASTROTURF YA AND ACTUALLY MAKE YOUR TWEETS VISIBLE AND GIVE YOU MORE LIKES AND RETWEETS AND MORE SUBS.

OH and good luck dealing with the wokandans who harrass you for existing in the same site as them and for disproving their bullshit.

Oh, you think we suck, good for you, go ahead, leave and go to any other site nobody fucking watches, baraag, if we saiy is CP then you better believe it or else, same with Mastodon, Truth Social, thats just trump 4 wall room were he screams, Gab, Minds and the hijillion so called FREE SPEECH ALTERNATIVES, they are ANTI PORN right wing prudes! Sorry baby the little and bad we offer is better then the nothing they offer, No doesnt matter if we are bad, you get assymilated and be happy!

>inb4 schizo whinning.

Twitter is the Youtube of social media an art sharing site, its objectively and subjectively bad, but the subverted demoralized normies and the terminally online crazies keep it afloat cause MUH PHONE so sill never die! Obey!

[Anonymous No.6568673]

>>6566810
Astro turfing, classism and shadowbanning dont exist!

[Anonymous No.6568674]

>>6566833
>>6566836
>thinking any of the two makes a damn of a difference

Niggs

[Anonymous No.6568677]

>>6566905
>No i Didnt buy a preloaded account, No sire.

Fag

[Anonymous No.6568683]

>>6567139
Then how do you explain all thosebwhonuse multitags and dont get fucked. Oh wait, they are progs.

[Anonymous No.6568685]

>>6567393
Yes, its below nothing, on twatter if you ate least arent 10K, you dont exists, specially if you are a NSFW account and japanese.

[Anonymous No.6568695]

>>6567516
>Youll give is your phone number, OR ELSE!
>cave in
>Congrats. Your twitter account has been disabled, dont ask, just give us your phone again to verify, trust us.
>cave in
>good, now you are astroturfed.
>sub and post
>get 20 notifications
>they are all "In case you missed this tweet that you already saw", no we are not fucking with you. Trust us :)

It literally happened to me, i had to just kill my account and get a burner phone just to make another one and i avtually get real notifications now, but i am still below, only 500 subs because i did some Super Mario Movie art that got retweet by a bigger twitter user.

[Anonymous No.6568717]

>>6568213
faggots had been whining about twitter visibility since forever lmao it doesn't matter who the current boogeyman is

[Anonymous No.6568720]

>>6568672
At least learn to structure your writing, you absolute retard.

If fags on this board already shit their pants by reading a more than enough eloquent post, how do you think they will react by trying to make out what your alphabet vomit is even about?
You got so many buzzwords and normie platitudes you could open your own social media site.
Also
>hijillion so called FREE SPEECH ALTERNATIVES, they are ANTI PORN right wing prudes!
Porn doesn't fall under the category of free speech, that it should be a right to be spammed everywhere.
Someone that supports free speech doesn't have to support porn.
Porn, if anything, only attracts the astroturfers and woketards that will harass you for existing and lowers the quality of a site.
You can safely assume that the majority of people who heavily consume porn, are left-leaning homosexuals who scream racism at non-interracial porn and spam blacked, bmwf/m porn and edits on every porn site imaginable.
Also they are most probably transvestites that reside in a multitude of adult discord servers and other servers focused on videogames with a younger demographic to lure and groom children by pretending to be 15 year old girls, when in fact they are 40 year old perverts that deserve to be shot on sight.
>inb4 right wing pol albino jew jelly crab schizo beg
Political ideologies are for cattle. Most people on this planet should not even be allowed to speak or interact with other people in any manner whatsoever.
>Twitter is the Youtube of social media an art sharing site, its objectively and subjectively bad, but the subverted demoralized normies and the terminally online crazies keep it afloat cause MUH PHONE so sill never die!
Now this was the smartest and most comprehensible thing you posted.
Keep elaborating and articulating this point until it becomes an insightful and reasonable commentary.

[Anonymous No.6568721]

>>6568695
It really makes you wonder what kind of nefarious algo code is in effect under the surface. We really don’t know how the algorithm decides who will have visibility and who won’t. Is it location-based? Does it decide based upon a built up web profile of its user developed over time by scraped data of web searches, keystrokes, political opinions, economic bracket, etc? For example, your web profile might peg you as someone who supports trump based on videos viewed, google searches, visited websites (like 4chan), etc, and this info slots you into a category where you are automatically silenced whenever you tweet/post on ig/YouTube etc forever and it’s all based on a data-scraped profile of information collected, collated and shared around over a decade of web search information from your ip address. Put simply, you could be getting memory-holed just for your beliefs. It’s not schizo to believe something like this drives algorithm reach.

Algorithms on video games have reached a similar level of cynicism, which is why I’m suspect. It will slot you into games with better players just to keep you playing longer. It will nerf your ability to win by giving you progressively harder competitors. It keeps all of your play data on file to manipulate your play experience and the games you’ll be allowed to play in. It used to be that you joined a game based on highest ping. Now it’s a whole system bent on emotionally manipulating its user into playing longer and spending money.

[Anonymous No.6568755]

>”u-unlike twitterfags I’m a real artist. I do it for self fulfillment”
>5786446 threads whining about no likes and no followers

[Anonymous No.6568782]

>>6568677
I never thought of that. Hmm.

[Anonymous No.6568816]

>>6567880
What you guys don't understand, is that if noone is asking you for opinion you're not supposed to give it. Noone cares, you just look like a jerk. Twitter is not /ic/
Art ''friends'' are useful because they promote you and your work unpromted.

[Anonymous No.6568824]

>>6568816
The entire concept of 4chan is anonymous retards giving opinions nobody asked

[Anonymous No.6568828]

>>6568824
And that is beautiful.

[Anonymous No.6568859]

>>6568816
I get what you're getting at, but then you need to see it from the other side: why post your art on the internet? No one asked for it. No one cares.
If no one is asking for your art, you're not supposed to give it. You just look like you want attention.

If you take yourself the privilege of posting your art and shushing anyone who speaks things you don't like, you should expect anyone else to take themselves the privilege of giving their opinion whenever they like.

Actually, why post anything on the internet? You don't go scream and expose yourself in public and then get angry that some random passerby answers you, right?
If normies want actual walled garden social media aka echochambers, they should just post their shit in private and no one they don't like will ever say anything that they won't like while gatekeeping their communities.
But wait, "gatekeeping bad", so you can safely assume that normies just want to air their dirty laundry in public and getting praised for taking a metaphorical shit on the street and they get angry when anyone points that out.

Do you really want to personally deal and be connected to such people that will most probably take out their anger and insecurities on you because you didn't praise them?
>Art ''friends'' are useful because they promote you and your work unpromted.
Again, i get it, but I would not want to give such people any attention or success they clearly do not deserve because it would be like giving a teenager a gun: They will feel powerful, but in the end they're only going to shoot people to gain things and accidentally shoot themselves.

If you hate seeing things you don't like, literally just close your eyes.

[Anonymous No.6568865]

>>6567990
I started doing this, especially with the one trend of people begging for you to draw their characters. Makes a clear difference but the issue after that is retention.

[Anonymous No.6568941]

>>6568859
Are you unironically autistic?

[Anonymous No.6568945]

>>6568865
What was your experience with this method?

[Anonymous No.6568946]

It's the only good platform for animators

[Anonymous No.6568949]

>this work might not be as good as my last one that i uploaded... guess I won't upload it
>this work is better than my last one, and better than my last upload, but I have another in the works that will be better... guess I won't upload this one
>alright that one is done, turned out not quite as well as I hoped, so I'll upload the next one
>months pass
>no uploads at all
I have to get over this insistence that I only upload my best shit.

[Anonymous No.6568980]

>>6566899
>just be friendly and tell them what you like about their work, leave nice comments, retweet, ect.

The problem isn't doing this, it's having to do it or you're completely invisible. Instead your work just standing on its own in the "new" or "relevant" sections of an art site you're now forced into a clout transactional para social nightmare.
And that mentality bleeding over to every art related facet of the internet

[Anonymous No.6568996]

>>6568941
Since trying to be reasonable is now autistic guess i'm extremely so.
Was that post meant sarcastically or was that serious?
Because, my nigger, if that was meant seriously, artists do deserve everything bad that happens and is done to them and really don't deserve to get promoted in any way.

Only a narcissistic sociopath would think like that.
You don't want your opinions to go unchallenged or your work to only be praised? Don't post them in public places. No one owns you shit.
Pose in front of a mirror with your work and put a mask on while playing clapping soundtracks.
Everyone knows that even if such people get ignored, they're just going to spam the PUBLIC SPACE until they get the response they want and they will cry and complain, spam more and blame god, christ and the church for not getting the one interaction that gives them the validation they crave so much, that is why they get hostile towards anyone who triggers their insecurities or points out their flaws, going as far as projecting or circlejerking about
>"the bad people"
with other "victims" like them.

And if you didn't want an answer, why the fuck did you even bother replying in the first place? Were you expecting to get a
>"based"
>"this"
>"wow so true! take my upvote"
in response to justifying the absolute mental retardation of the average normalfag?

Teens are like that, they just expect everyone to stand still and take it whenever they try to hit others and cry when they get their shit pushed in. They believe they are allowed to do anything they want but others can't.
Call it narcissism, main character syndrome, solipsism, rules for thee but not for me or just a lack of beatings.

If you throw a fist, expect to be hit back.
If you wish for attention so bad, don't complain about what you get.
Stay in your hugbox.
It's not that hard to understand.

Such people can't actually socialize; they are parasites and should not be allowed to be promoted in any manner.

[Anonymous No.6569141]

>>6568720
People like you are the problem.

[Anonymous No.6569149]

>>6568996
All this writing when you could just be drawing

[Anonymous No.6569187]

>>6568674
It does, people don't retweet posts that have a bunch of tags in them cuz it looks ugly as fuck

[Anonymous No.6569188]

>>6566862
>>6566864
How did you get mad at that post

[Anonymous No.6569201]

>>6569141
Yes. individuals like me are a problem to people who only seek social status through trickery and dishonest means.
If you want "friends" who will be useful to you to promote your work, why don't you just say so?
And why would you keep being unreasonable and illogical as you being able to say anything you want to people with the justification that they're being negative, which is honestly just an excuse to execute your craving for power over another person, but no one else should be allowed to do the same to you?
You know what they say about those who can't be criticized.
>>6569149
Writing shit like that only takes me 5 minutes and i'm always drawing.
btw that isn't even 5% of my autism.

[Anonymous No.6569216]

bit unrelated but is pretending to be female a real strat to net followers?
don't have any social media but been thinking about jumping on it

[Anonymous No.6569516]

>>6569216
No, ppl don't care unless you're an attractive person literally posing in front of your artwork. And you don't want to be that sorta person, I promise you

[Anonymous No.6569528]

>>6568945
Obviously got a shit ton of views, likes, retweets, etc. Went from 5 to 100 followers in the week. Not the greatest but pretty decent for a nobody.

[Anonymous No.6569583]

>>6566870
Everytime

[Anonymous No.6570099]

>>6569516
are you one of those persons?

[Anonymous No.6570122]

Draw Mori sucking on a horse cock that will get you followers

[Anonymous No.6570146]

>>6566801
BaZed

[Anonymous No.6570150]

yeah no getting likes and shit on twitter is hard unless you draw hardcore porn of whatever's popular at the moment

[Anonymous No.6570366]

>>6566899
I don't even do that, I just retweet people's stuff on my timeline and I get followers for some reason, I just want to refer back to them because I like their art.

I get sense that a lot of people here are producer of art, but not consumer of it somehow, and I do not understand why that is the case.

[Anonymous No.6570368]

>>6570122
source?

[Anonymous No.6570378]

>>6566801
elon is the best mad scientist

[Anonymous No.6570463]

>>6566790
>460 follows
>draw cute fanart for popular youtuber
>youtuber RTs it
>1,100+ likes
>500 followers

OP literally just shill if you want bagels so much

[Anonymous No.6570516]

>>6570122
Actually, why has that become a thing suddenly? I've seen like 3 or 4 artists make drawings with Mori standing next to a horse, with y'know... the implication.
Where'd all this come from?

[Anonymous No.6570522]

>>6566790
>getting filtered this hard
NGMI

[Anonymous No.6570601]

>>6566790
>most popular post is a meme drawing I spend 20 minutes on
good enough

[Anonymous No.6570606]

>>6569583
It happens to me enough that I've started to think there's something inherently wrong with me or when/how I post my art.

[Anonymous No.6570607]

>>6566790
I just post on pixiv and call it a day. I don't have to interact with he/she/him/it/they fags.

[Anonymous No.6570634]

>>6566801
based free market chad dabbing over collective bugmen

[Anonymous No.6570640]

>>6570463
I do this and I’m completely ignored and my 2hrs spent drawing them wasted and I look like a retarded chimp. This method is like playing the lotto except instead of discreetly buying a lotto ticket you’re spending hours of labor on something they’ll ignore bc it’s obvious retweet begging and as a result your followers will see your pathetic begging attempt fail miserably.
>inb4 git gud
Already good, doesn’t matter. Everyone is hip to retweet begging.

[Anonymous No.6570641]

>>6566961
>there would be competition
Do you seriously think there is no competition? There's plenty. Part of societies problems is caused by stupid faggots like you who don't do their homework and instead just blame the system while continuing to remain ignorant and do nothing.
Artists whine about twitter and want a more art focused website, but would never go to it, because they're dumb attention seeking loser like OP and want to put their work in front of everyone, and not just like minded individuals.

[Anonymous No.6570644]

>>6570640
> Already good
No need to lie like that, anon.

[Anonymous No.6570654]

Don't just post on Twitter, post your art everywhere! Posting art on art groups and Reddit really helped me with followers. :)

[Anonymous No.6570662]

>>6570654
this

[Anonymous No.6570694]

>>6570640
Be happy you can finish a drawing in 2 hours!

[Anonymous No.6570699]

>>6566790
So you draw for fame? ngmi!
popularity is somewhat of a luck thing, there are things you can do to rigg it in your favour like cater to the masses, but it can still not give any results.

[Anonymous No.6570793]

>>6569216
Why just female? Pretend to be a tranny and you can abuse all sorts of empathy points.

[Anonymous No.6570845]

>>6570641
>just create your own bank
Ok, next.

[Anonymous No.6570852]

How often do you all post art? I feel like there's pressure to post finished art every day, but I end up posting only WIPs most the time or old finished colored art

[Anonymous No.6570882]

>>6570852
Depends how much your art stays relevant. At 600 followers my art only gets interactions for about 2 days, then I have to post something new. I think it's fair because I can finish a pic in about 8 hours.

[Anonymous No.6571092]

>>6566790
I never used tags and was was able to get 2,000 followers with ease. The issue is you and how big of a bitch you are.

[Anonymous No.6571094]

>>6571092
Did you use keywards and suck the dick of a lot of popular artist?

[Anonymous No.6571146]

>>6571094
You don't even have to do that just go to a community (art,games,anime,board games or whatever the fuck) and make constantly art for them, that's it

[Anonymous No.6571162]

>>6571146
That’s what im kinda doing, but what happens when you want to get out of that bubble? Especially if that community is niche too?

[Anonymous No.6571182]

>>6566790
Basically me but on instashit
How the fuck does this shit even work?

[Anonymous No.6571245]

Me but with
>Instagram shadowban
Literally over for me. I'm an unironic autist and I draw the same niche shit over and over again using the same tags. I get engagement, people like my stuff, etcetera. But in December boom, post doesn't show up in tags. I waited a week, tried again, but again it didn't work. Fast forward today and I'm still shadowbanned.

[Anonymous No.6571260]

>>6571245
What happens when you spam the sametags on insta. You are seen as bots

[Anonymous No.6571287]

>>6571162
First of all, your art needs to be pretty good.
Draw ecchi oriented pics, no men.
Have a pixiv and post your OCs and characters from other franchises there, in the description, link your twitter, people will follow you there.
As you post stuff offtopic to your original niche, expect to see people complaining and unfollowing, this is normal, however you're balancing it with your new followers who just want to see hot chicks
Also as someone who did this myself, when you open commissions, literally 80% of people will just want you to draw their OCs, or their friend's OC as a gift, so it was never about the niche but about the quality of your art and OCs.

[Anonymous No.6571329]

>>6571287
> your art needs to be pretty good
Uh huh, agree with half the shit you said though.

[Anonymous No.6571334]

>>6571329
Cope.

[Anonymous No.6571336]

>>6571287
>"just do coomanimetitsfotm lol"
Post your work.
>>6571329
Honestly hard to imagine who'd see this and go
>"WOW OMG IM GOING TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE TO THIS"
except literal children.

[Anonymous No.6571340]

>>6571260
It's not I have a choice. I draw the same characters over and over again, and the tags are always the same. Maybe my idea was retarded to begin with because IG is kinda shit but I found it way better than Twitter

[Anonymous No.6571352]

>>6571334
Seething
>>6571340
You have to switch up the tags like use different ones on my insta so many times, sadly. The only thing insta has over twitter, is that you can use as many tags as you like without the algorithm fucking you over.

[Anonymous No.6571581]

What's your like-to-follower conversion ratio? I have ~3000 likes across 10 posts but only 50 followers

[Anonymous No.6571597]

>>6571581
You should have gotten 200 followers.

[Anonymous No.6571737]

>>6571162
You have to get big enough to the point where people are actually interested in your art and not the character your drawing

[Anonymous No.6571763]

>>6570845
>Too much of a poorfag to create his own bank
>Blames the system instead
lol

>>6570366
>I get sense that a lot of people here are producer of art, but not consumer of it somehow
There does seem to be an air of "my shit is better than everyone else's", meanwhile their shit is still just sonic the hedgehog diaper porn.

>>6566899
Genuinely good advice, but the friendless losers of this site can't even conceive of being nice to others to get it in return.

[Anonymous No.6571823]

>>6567019
wat... social media just happens to be a natural monopoly, most things aren't like that.

[Anonymous No.6571827]

if you spot a retard on Twitter, it is always the amercian, god americans are so fucking braindead. Sorry, just here to vent, fuck americans, I hope they get a second 9/11. I hope they get into another civil war and kill each other.

[Anonymous No.6571851]

>>6571823
Exactly. Because of social media's service, of course people are going to flock to the most popular one, thus naturally causing a monopoly.

One problem that gives his criticism SOME credence is that when teens move on to make the next cool upcoming site, it gets bought up by the conglomerate (eg Instagram).
The government probably should have stepped in before that happened.

[Anonymous No.6571863]

>>6567180
you are Jace Wallace? I used to buy your gumroad shit
you disappear for a good while isn't it what happened? Anyway post your shit on related sub reddit to attract coomer bro Twitter only can do so much

[Anonymous No.6571893]

>>6571863
yeah I had some mental health issues but I'm back now. It sucks because I gotta start from nothing again.

At least I have like 500 WIPs to finish.

[Anonymous No.6571950]

>be me
>/beg/
>Takes me 4 years to reach 330 followers
>not a single commission despite dirt cheap
>mutual on Twitter starts retweeting other artist.
>prebeg
>200 followers in a year
>Already taking commissions
>Same price.
I'm not that butthurt as op pic implies, I'm not like a NEET that only draws, but it does stings.

[Anonymous No.6571957]

>>6566790
>doesn't know how social media algorithm works
this is why perfectionists always gets dunked on by people who are consistent posters in more ways than virality and improvements.

[Anonymous No.6571965]

>>6571957
Even beyond algorithms the average scrooller wants accounts that provide consistent dopamine hits. There's some absolutely trash artists with 25k+ followers who clearly don't care about consistent quality, yet their fanbase doesn't seem to be bothered or notice braindead mistakes like backward hands, inconsistent limb length, broken necks, etc, just as long as they're getting some new completed drawing every few days they're apparently more than satisfied.
As much as it pains perfectionist artists, your average fan literally will not see or care about a lot of the things you obsess over. If your goal is engagement, always stop at good enough and post it then move on to the next thing. Not happy with how something turned out? Who cares, post it anyway.

[Anonymous No.6571973]

>>6571965
Note that I'm not saying this is the "right" way or that you can't get a huge following with occasional high quality posts, just that if your goal is quick engagement and easy commission sales, don't be a perfectionist. I know some of my "worst" pieces that I was forced to finish at a "good enough" level because they were commissions have actually wound up being among my most popular.

[Anonymous No.6571976]

>>6570516
it's just degen meme shitposters trying to push and drawfags will do it for shock/lulz value, I used to do that shit too, it can be fun, but do it because it's silly and you want to

>>6566790
>200 followers
>post art about/using popular tags
>8 views 12 hours later
Why do ngmi post shit like this, there are ~20k artfags and millions of ppl, millions more bots.
At least this anon's post makes more sense >>6571950

Just give up already, if you care that much about socials, whoring yourself by other means will be easier than drawing.

[Anonymous No.6571979]

>>6571950
You're either misjudging your skills/appeal compared to the mutual, or you should analyse what the mutual does compared to yourself to see if it works for you.

Not that it's guaranteed to work, every piece of advice is caveated that it depends on luck unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.6571980]

>>6571965
>Not happy with how something turned out? Who cares, post it anyway.
The very fact you had to write this out tells you it's stupid and you are innately against it.
You don't have to a perfectionist, but don't just post what you know to be drivel just for imaginary clicks.

[Anonymous No.6571989]

>>6571980
Oh I certainly agree, I'm just saying what I've observed in terms of creating a popular and successful account. I've been pretty removed from the posting game for quite a while, but I look at enough artists who dabble in similar content and styles to see skilled artists who post once in a blue moon get far, far outdone in terms of account popularity, fan response, and commission sales by mediocre artists who consistently pump out works which run the gamut from decent to borderline garbage.

[Anonymous No.6571992]

>>6571989
I suppose so, running up the social media ladder is skill of its own, entirely separate from being an artist.

[Anonymous No.6572011]

>>6571976
>Why do ngmi post shit like this, there are ~20k artfags and millions of ppl, millions more bots.
see >>6566878
He's not complaining that he hasn't gotten much engagement, he's complaining that the fucking algo screwed his post. It just straight up isn't showing the post to anybody, arbitrarily.

[Anonymous No.6572027]

>>6571976
>it's just degen meme shitposters
Not sure if I approve of them making bestiality art of essentially actual people, but maybe I'm just a huge faggot.

[Anonymous No.6572031]

>>6566878
could be that OP doing nsfw and they limit his reach greatly. Happen to everyone though
you can check shadowban tool and see my friend got like 20 follower and he got search suggestion ban

[Anonymous No.6572051]

>>6572027
Mori is the character, it's fine, not the VA whoever the fat white broad is that voices her.
Every anime chara has a VA too, if you follow that line of thought.

[Anonymous No.6572075]

>>6571965
>>6571973
yeah. as long as you are self-conscious about it, you should be fine. posting studies and progress is not a bad start. so with that in mind, you should be able to post at least 1 image every 3 days minimum.

[Anonymous No.6572798]

>draw fan art of a big artist's OCs hoping they'll notice it and maybe like or retweet it since they do that kind of thing often
>it kind of blows up a bit on the OCs tag, in the top ~15 most popular tweets related to the tag that day
>checking the artist's likes the day after to see if they liked my art
>liked all the ~14 other tweets on that tag that day except mine, even those with less engagement

[Anonymous No.6572835]

>>6568996
>wahhhh wahhhhh people told me to fuck off after i offered critique!!! my feelings are hurt!!!
nobody cares retard, stay in your anonymous crab-box with no consequences. nobody wants to hear the advice of some shitter/nodraw on relevant social media platforms.

[Anonymous No.6573109]

>>6566790
DO NOT use more than 1 or 2 tags nor put too much text on it

[Anonymous No.6573624]

>>6570641
america is a cartel economy. worst side of capitalism and plutocracy. socialized 1%

[Anonymous No.6573666]

>>6566790
how do you guys struggle so hard
i honestly draw garbage and it gets plenty.

do you forget to fucking follow people?

[Anonymous No.6573681]

>>6573666
These shitters don’t interact or follow people. That’s why they get no traction.

[Anonymous No.6573689]

>>6569216
basically

[Anonymous No.6574313]

>>6566790
>>6572798
you can check if your account has been automated shadowban by posting your work under a tag then go incognito mode and check the tag lated work

[Anonymous No.6574407]

>>6566810
eh, how? i dont like to follow or see art on my twitter i like to look at videos, dramas, porn, fight vids instead of art. i follow like only 3 or four artists

[Anonymous No.6574679]

>6 followers
>Post art about/using fairly popular, but very saturated tags at 12am on a Tuesday
>35 views, 7 likes in about 10 hours
Nice. That's better than my previous stuff. I am growing, lads.

[Anonymous No.6574687]

>>6573681
or they don't post frequently/consistently

[Anonymous No.6574761]

>>6574679
Post in somewhat niche communities. That’s where the traction comes into play, then draw the fotm. Also make sure to post at least 1 a day, like comments, and respond to each comment received.

[Anonymous No.6575042]

Hey, fellow human here. How do I convince twitter I'm not a bot so they'll lift my search suggestion ban? When I post my human crafted art to share with my fellow humans, I sadly go unnoticed :(

[Anonymous No.6575109]

being on social media (insta/twitter at the time) made me legitimately suicidal
I have no idea how anyone can endure this shit
especially if you don't draw porn, seeing that shit you worked body and soul for a week get 5 likes while some gross shitty sketch gets 3000 is fucking soul crushing, it makes you lose hope in everything

[Anonymous No.6575149]

>>6575042
nsfw artist gonna get that eventually
you can check every big one there
you have to be actively seek out and post it on reddit or related fan art sub/server to look for people to retweet you

[Anonymous No.6575312]

>>6575042
>Hey, fellow human here
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.6575319]

>>6575109
>you worked body and soul for a week
Thats the mistake right there. Pour your entire being into your craft just like the masters? rookie trap, everytime.

[Anonymous No.6575326]

>>6575319
not really, the mistake is throwing pearls onto swine. I'm still making things that come from the bottom of my heart, I just swore never to share my art again
I'm actually exhilarated that the world of human expression will be in the hands of AI pron proompters soon lol, my motto is fucking choke on it

[Anonymous No.6575336]

>>6575326
Holy cope

[Anonymous No.6575338]

>>6575336
Being extremely resentful is ruining my health. If I wanted to cope I'd have participated to this stupid rat race and found an excuse to think it's not so bad

[Anonymous No.6575357]

>>6575326
>not really, the mistake is throwing pearls onto swine
Thats literally what art has always been through the ages
>I'm still making things that come from the bottom of my heart
Thats fine and all but the key to improve is just lifeless, mechanical repetition, anything else with heart/soul involved should be used merely as fuel for your motivation, to keep you going and practicing. In other words, every newbie mistake is spending an unnecesarily long period of time pouring blood and tears into a piece that will innevitably turn out to be shit because they are inexperienced. Instead said newbie could fuck around doodling penises and shit for 15 minutes and then moving on to the next thing, which over time will lead to vast amounts of improvements in comparison to the first case. In short, thinking that mastery comes from all the effort, time and pain gone through is wrong, mastery comes from spontaneity, just someone with a good mental gallery fucking around. Go build that mental gallery instead of trying to chase perfection.

[Anonymous No.6575410]

>>6575357
dude what the fuck are you talking about, this looks like extreme projection on your part. making art that you feel within yourself and "grinding" shit are not mutually exclusive activities, if you look at the world with real interest and fascination you can put actual love into the shit that you can only fathom as mechanically grinding away loomis heads or something
seriosuly this is a problem wit a lot of people on this board, always has been, you just don't have any interest in beauty or the world you just wanna draw porn or work at blizzard

[Anonymous No.6575426]

>>6575410
Stop misinterpreting shit, actually read.
>if you look at the world with real interest and fascination you can put actual love
Thats fuel for motivation, ot does not equal to art skills. You think your love for, say, an apple will make you better at drawing an apple? Dont be retarded, your love for this apple will motivate you to draw it, it wont make you better at it. What will make you better at it is practicing a shitload of apples you may or may not give a fuck about. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.6577533]

>>6571979
Nah man, there's something weird. This just happened.
>instagram account
>100+ posts
>25 followers
>~13 likes average
>Get a follow
>Look into new follower account
>3 posts
>137 followers
>~50 likes per post.
>account a week old
>Not a bot nor a scam, not promoting/selling anything.
>Hashtags are about the same.
The fuck am I actually doing wrong?

>>6571979
>You're either misjudging your skills/appeal compared to the mutual, or you should analyze what the mutual does compared to yourself to see if it works for you.
I don't think I found anything special about the way he posts, he also doesn't use hashtags.
I admit his drawings may have more sovl, just in case here's the comparison, the one in the upper center is the same character, I did a redraw because he asked for a "do it in your style".

[Anonymous No.6578867]

>>6577533
his stuff has more recognizable face and expressions on his characters than the example you have posted of yours, but it feels more like he was able to leverage a larger audience elsewhere because the account is so new. like when people started out on a new platform he'll tell his followers on his old platform "hey, i recently started instagram and all of yall go follow me there UwU"

[Anonymous No.6578883]

>>6566790
Have you tried doing what this guy did? lol

[Anonymous No.6578973]

>>6566790
maybe you’re using too many tags, anon. on twitter it’s best to use 3 tags max posts with lots of tags are usually mistaken for bot posts/reposts

[Anonymous No.6579514]

>>6566790
posting porn on popular tag is an instant shadow ban mate

[Anonymous No.6579515]

>>6579514
forgot link
https://antsstyle.medium.com/hashtags-and-nsfw-content-on-twitter-d71277402c64

[Anonymous No.6579586]

>>6578883
>hopefully i will redeem
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.6580254]

>>6578883
DO NOT REDEEM THE GIFT CARDSS

[Anonymous No.6581016]

Any way to see if anyone you follow liked your tweet without scrolling for dozens of minutes if there's a lot of likes? Will they show up at the top?

[Anonymous No.6581059]

>>6581016
in your notifications, aren't there tabs for mutuals, and people you follow? Not that I can say definitively as I'm just a lurker for art there. If you make sure likes are still notified, and there is such a tab, you'll be able to see it there I guess.

[Anonymous No.6581104]

>be me
>get a dm for a commissions
>cool my first one
>"Hey man, I want you to draw me something since I liked your drawings, I'll pay you $400 bucks"
>Already smells fishy, my rate is $15.
>Ok, pay me trough Ko-Fi, it'll be like buying online for you, it's just for my safety.
>"I can only pay you if you give me your PayPal account"
>This is obviously a scam
>Uncomfortable chat silence
>"The good, the bad and the ugly" stare down
>looking at that report button
>he's faster
>get reported for sexual content in my SFW account

I fucking hate this, is a loose/loose situation, the moment they contact you, you're fucked.
You can't not accept the scam or they'll report you, if you ignore them, they'll report you, if you block and report, they'll report you also and Instagram puts more weight in sex reports than scam reports.
The only upside is that since I haven't actually broken the rules I get my account back.
I can't even imagine how bigger accounts deal with this shit without getting reported every day, or how they got big to begin with in this environment.

For once I would like to get an actual, shitty, $15 commission.

[Anonymous No.6581109]

>>6581104
>using shitsagram
You get what you fucking deserve

[Anonymous No.6581117]

>>6581109
>You get what you fucking deserve
Tell me another alternative that

>Reaches potential high number of normie costumers
Not deviantArt, not furAffinity, not Pixiv, not here.
>Has a focused feed with a good algorithm that does't fill your feed with unrelated BS
Not twatter.
>Has a gallery like design, categorized bookmarks, other good artist use.
Not facebook.

Instagram is the only one that has all 3.
I'm not shilling for it, I'm legitimately asking for an alternative.

[Anonymous No.6581126]

Do any weebs here know useful tags in japanese for Pixiv?

[Anonymous No.6582310]

>>6581059
Nope, only general likes and likes from verified accounts

[Anonymous No.6582322]

>>6581126
Well what are you looking for?

[Anonymous No.6582333]

>>6566810
This, it's really that simple.
You can choose to go the route of an artist who never posts anything but their art, but you'd have to be god-tier talented and have good appeal to grow that way.
Otherwise you'll be slow.

[Anonymous No.6582336]

>>6581104
Man, what a nightmare.
I hard empathize on experiencing crazy reporting that completely wrecks your long-built name and account even when it’s a dead miss for your content.
I’m so sorry, dude.

[Anonymous No.6582340]

>>6566833
>>6566836
using hashtags supresses your post, just use keywords, no hashtags. it'll show up anyway.

[Anonymous No.6582468]

>>6566790
I realized the issue with getting yourself noticed out there is about supply/demand. I really want to draw cute anime girls shit as anyone on this board but as much I get better, that doesn't translate into more likes because there is a sea of wanabe artists drawing the same shit like you an its likely they are better at it. In the other hand, for example, there is a demand for Mecha art. Most of the followers I gained is from some Armored Core fanart I did a couple of times even tough AC is more niche than anything coom/anime you can imagine, but I don't really want mechas be my sole niche.

TLDR: Stop drawing what everyone is drawing if the only thing you want is clout.

[Anonymous No.6582795]

>>6581104
>loose/loose

[Anonymous No.6582801]

>commissioner posts my art that he commissioned on Pixiv
>many thousands of likes, bookmarks, whatevers, positive comments
>even more than most of the works by better known artists in his gallery
>other commissioner posts his comm from me on his Twitter
>same as above but with Twitter response metrics
>work gets reposted on boorus
>high scores, positive comments
vs
>I post my work to my galleries
>literal "you posted a photo of a dog turd" response, like I'm lucky to break 1k views, much less likes or whatever
It's nice to know that people love my shit when it's posted separate from me, but fuck if it doesn't suck knowing I'm personally cursed.

[Anonymous No.6582906]

>>6566790
>10k followers
>stop being active for a month
>still get new followers
This is too easy

[Anonymous No.6582934]

I decided to do a twitter account because instashit keeps taking down my last post from the search, but from what I understood (I hate socials and I'm almost a boomer, dealing with this stuff is hard like shitting chestnuts for me) I'm way too fucking slow to get any kind of engagement there, and my old stuff isn't really that interesting
Should I post sketches and random stuff to stay afloat in the algorithm?

[Anonymous No.6582936]

>>6582468
>AC
Give link

[Anonymous No.6582942]

>>6582934
Yes, commenting and posting some sketches help.

[Anonymous No.6582956]

>>6582942
Maybe that's also going to help me do more stuff instead of stuff like spending three weeks planning a single drawing in every detail

[Anonymous No.6583036]

>>6582956
>spending three weeks planning a single drawing in every detail
did you actually do that? what does that drawing even look like? lol

[Anonymous No.6583103]

>>6582906
Once you get the ball rolling, the momentum tends to continue. I guess some people just like following accounts with high follower numbers. I have one old account that I haven't posted to in I think over a year, not even sure if there's any art left on it or if I wiped it, but I guess simply having already amassed a decent amount of followers is enough for me to be greeted with new followers every time I sign in. Tempted to post a new drawing there with a redirection to my current, less successful account.

[Anonymous No.6583108]

>>6583036
Yeah I actually spent more time trying to figure out what I wanted to do than actually drawing it

[Anonymous No.6583119]

>>6583108
Same, I even do research

[Anonymous No.6583120]

>>6583108
huh, how long did the drawing itself took?

[Anonymous No.6583124]

>>6583108
>spend 3 weeks to draw cuckshit
Absolute lmao my dude

[Anonymous No.6583389]

DONT
RELY
ON
ALGORYTHMS

[Anonymous No.6583558]

>>6583119
I used to do research too but I started giving myself just two days limit max after spending a whole month researching Byzantine tailoring for a single 20 bucks black and white request
>>6583120
In total it's more than a month because I couldn't work on it every day, but in hours could be something like 48 I guess, since it was like six-eight hours per weekend
>>6583124
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6583891]

>>6582936
https://twitter.com/nemojona/status/1606421674320166912

Probably my most rtwed shit by a longshot.

[Anonymous No.6583901]

>>6583891
Comes out that I'm already following you

[Anonymous No.6583911]

>>6583901
yeah, that's what im saying, literally nobody except for maybe another anon in the mechanization general and some other faggots in the /m/ board draws AC.

[Anonymous No.6583916]

>>6567139
I don't use hashtags at all, they seem useless

[Anonymous No.6583924]

>>6583916
Well it’s going actually be useful once the new twitter update comes.

[Anonymous No.6583939]

>>6583924
Won't change much. Algorithm isn't doing anything to help you anyway. I'm very happy I don't rely on social media traction. Since 2023 my post never get over a couple thousand views even with phenomenal engagement rates, feels like it's setting my reach back by years

[Anonymous No.6583950]

>>6583911
>literally nobody
Less or more everyone that comes here is a nobody, and it's simply because despite the normalisation 4chan went through with the years, posting anonymously is something extremely alluring for outsiders, weirdos and emarginated people in general that live between the inability to fit with normies and the disgust they feel towards them
Meaning they just can't connect properly with average people, so the social part is handicapped

[Anonymous No.6583962]

>>6583950
>>6583911
Forgot to type the part where I say I'm a pretty big ACfag and I've always been bummed out by the fact my hands can't literally draw anything mechanical.
Also it's been like ten years since I've been on /m/, the retirement home mentality was unbearable

[Anonymous No.6583967]

>>6566790
>Finally started to grow on Twitter
>Elon immediately starts to go full retard
I think I might be cursed

[Anonymous No.6583969]

>>6583962
>Forgot to type the part where I say I'm a pretty big ACfag and I've always been bummed out by the fact my hands can't literally draw anything mechanical.
Draw is the key word here. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but based on my own work, painting mechas is far easier than drawing them. I really dont know how to paint, but using the basic principles of painting you see everywhere (stroking the bigger shapes first with few values and then iterating with ever small brushes, etc) works really well.

[Anonymous No.6583979]

>>6583969
No, I got what you mean, I should give it at try at some point

[Anonymous No.6584490]

>>6583967
This, but even worse. As in:
>Finally decided to start posting online, e.g on Twitter
I honestly haven't felt so unlucky in I don't even know how long.

[Anonymous No.6584506]

>>6584490
The internet hasn't gone anywhere my dude. Don't think you're missing a boat here, twitter was a dogshit platform and growing on it without just getting lucky required more time using the website than actually drawing.

[Anonymous No.6584552]

>>6584506
Of course you aren't wrong and I can still see the bigger picture, but it really feels disheartening missing on something everyone else had for a given, and yes I have never liked twitter in specific, but I don't see another social media rising in it's place anytime soon. Thanks for the encouraging words anyway.

[Anonymous No.6584935]

>>6581104
So the instagram is dead.
Too many reports I guess.
I'm gonna make a new one just to look at cool art but never posting there ever again.
>>6581117
>I'm not shilling for it, I'm legitimately asking for an alternative.
Still asking for one.

That aside, when is it too much?
Currently I have:
>1) A twatter for social and funny drama.
>2) A twitter account exclusive for art.
I only follow artists, like art and try to keep the feed clean as possible, but even then some politics leak from the artists I follow, but I just hide and move on, I don't even follow my other Twitter account, clean as a whistle from politics and drama.
>3) A Pixiv account to replace the lost instagram
The only issue is that only like 3 anime artstyles ever grow big outside of coomer shit.
>4) Pixiv Fanbox.
Don't know if to count this one as a different one from Pixiv or not, but it's essentially Pixiv's Patreon like system.
>5) Ko-Fi
Patreon alternative but I have it because it has an individual commission system and your clients don't need to make an account for it to pay.

Is this enough? Is it too much?

[Anonymous No.6585843]

>>6568673
those things exist, and if you think it negates what the post you're replying to states, your thinking is severely distorted in some way.

[Anonymous No.6586977]

>>6566790
The only thing that has ever mattered long-term are retweets. Doesn't matter if you bandwagon a trending meme, shill in comments, pay for clicks, or get a blue checkmark. The only people who stick around are those who find you through retweets.

[Anonymous No.6587040]

>>6566790
>15 followers
>a trending post asking people to post their faces lands on my for you
>post my face
>24 followers, all of my posts ever since get an average of 150 views within 5 hours
though I also post about a specific niche and dont wander very far out of it

[Anonymous No.6587059]

>>6586977
How many followers do you usually gain per month?

[Anonymous No.6587143]

>>6587059
Up or down, it doesn't have anything to do with what I do outside of posting. It doesn't even correlate with impressions. It's the retweeters. You can't hope to control it.
>>6577533
>The fuck am I actually doing wrong?
You guys have to relax, do your thing, and let the chips fall where they may. Because if you rely on something you can't do consistently, like getting lucky with a meme, you're not going to hold on to whatever followers you get.

[Anonymous No.6588472]

>>6571581
>>6571597
I average 10 followers per 1500 likes regardless of what I post or how successful it gets

[Anonymous No.6588500]

>>6566804
This. Works for me.

[Anonymous No.6588509]

>>6586977
The difference between you and myself(AI artist) is kinda interesting.

[Anonymous No.6588511]

>>6587143
based anon. thanks for the advice!

[Anonymous No.6588887]

>>6588509
Post your blog, im interested

[Anonymous No.6589269]

>>6587143
How do you access your pic

[Anonymous No.6589389]

>>6589269
Left hand side, click More...->Creator Studio->Analytics.
Twitter used to show complete summary for every month, now it's only the most recent two. I guess complete summary is a Blue feature now.

[Anonymous No.6589458]

>>6583103
>>6586977
>>6587143

I’ve noticed that social media algorithms tend to follow the “to those that have everything, more will be given; from those that have nothing, everything will be taken.” rule.

Once you get a sizeable following, the algorithm seems to push your account more but if you have nothing, all the posts in the world won’t move the boulder. It’s practically impossible to grow a new account without help from bigger ones, esp with normal people being so stingy with retweets. No one wants to retweet a small guy, no matter how good his art is. Its demoralizing.

[Anonymous No.6589466]

>>6589458

Yeah, that's how I feel with Twitter especially.

>account is large/popular
"Oh, your account is doing well? Better push this to as many other people as possible, which grows the account, which causes more algorithm pushing, etc."

>account isn't large/slow posting
"Your account is disgusting. No, I won't share your works even with all of your followers, maybe 10% of them at best. What, you want more people to see it? Not on my fucking watch."

[Anonymous No.6589472]

>>6589466
That's how people behave, too. As I said before, people aren't inclined to follow a loser. The best way to get more followers is to have more followers.

[Anonymous No.6589485]

>>6589472
You’re not wrong. It’s even worse with retweets. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve retweeted mutuals faithfully and even my own followers think they’re too good to retweet my art to their page. I’m talking about mutuals, people with the same amount of followers as me. They have no problem liking my post but they flat out refuse to comment or retweet. I even try engaging socially with them and they’re all too happy to have my comments on their posts but won’t do more than like my posts. No, my art is not bad or offensive or nsfw. It’s perfectly acceptable art and they just can’t spare a spot on their page for my art even though we have the same amount of followers.

How do you grow when even your own mutuals won’t share your stuff? Twitter is built on sharing. I know I can’t expect big twitter accounts to help me but I never thought small accounts would also pretend like they’re better than me.

Anyways whatever I don’t bother anymore. It’s rigged for the haves and if you aren’t lucky enough to be a have, then fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6589489]

>>6589485

I'm curious, blog?

[Anonymous No.6589493]

>>6589489
No thx. I don’t need harassment and crabbing on top of my frustrations. If you’ve tried to use twitter as a nobody then you already know what I’m talking about and you know it’s true.

[Anonymous No.6589497]

>>6589493

Wasn't trying to harass, but fair enough anon. Yeah, I know where you're coming from.

[Anonymous No.6589499]

>>6589485
Don't give up, just remember that it is still a numbers game where the more you post, the more chances you have of being seen. Once you start gaining more followers through the brute force of single digit percent of likers converting to actual follows, the percentage of likes to follows will gradually increase, to where even your old art will bring in new followers. I wouldn't hold it against your mutuals if they don't retweet your work, some people like to keep their feed clean and only have it populated with posts that they themselves make.

[Anonymous No.6589627]

>>6589458
>I’ve noticed that social media algorithms tend to follow the “to those that have everything, more will be given; from those that have nothing, everything will be taken.” rule.
That may or may no be true. Maybe it works like interest The money seems to build up faster the longer you keep it in the account, and that was kind of the direction I was hinting at.
Regardless of how the algorithms work, there is one truth. Every account started at 0. In that sense, things are fair for everyone. It just gets easier for people who do their thing regularly and tough it out. Put in the time.
>It’s practically impossible to grow a new account without help from bigger ones, esp with normal people being so stingy with retweets.
That's a cynical way of looking at retweets, but if that's the way you want to go, then the answer would seem to be to focus on those artists who are popular, and follow many people, and retweet often. There are plenty of users like that. But the flip side is because they follow so many people, they are inundated with content all the time, so you can't really hope to get retweets from them regularly.
I retweet a lot. Within those retweets, some people show up very often. It's not because I favor those people. It's because they interact with my account in such a way as to show up in my timeline often, even if it's simply liking a post, and I follow people who share similar interests. I don't care about follower count, and I hope people don't care about mine.
So again, I feel the only way to get consistent growth is to be genuine. It is by itself a strategy, and the easiest one you can perform long term. If you look at it from a cynical, quid pro quo perspective, you're just going to drive yourself mad and quit sooner.

[Anonymous No.6590641]

>>6588887
https://twitter.com/Elf_Anon

[Anonymous No.6592622]

>>6566790
le bump