/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6551055]

Last time I tried to learn to draw, I was 19 back in 2020, I felt I was already too old to become good, tried many courses and resources and did daily grinding and practice, never got better, everyone here on /ic/ was better than me, it crushed me.

6 months turned into a year and 3 months and I have nothing to show for it, why? I was insulted and called talentless, I fully agree.

Should I even start again? I want to do it but I'm 22 now, if I was past expiration date to start and be good at 19, I'm way over the hill.

Why did I fail? I should have been better at 6 months. Why? Am I really hopeless?

[Anonymous No.6551060]

>>6551055
I dont fucking have it, I dont have it man

[Anonymous No.6551061]

>Why did I fail?
Because you're an insecure little bitch

[Anonymous No.6551068]

>>6551055
Cause you're a bozgor with typical temper of your kind.
>BTW, Transilvania este un loc definit de tradiție și istorie.
>>6551061
This

[Anonymous No.6551070]

>>6551068
Im partly Hungarian, why does it matter?

[Anonymous No.6551071]

>>6551055
it's not over until you're dead, there's no advice except "practice regularly and intentionally"

get a therapist

[Anonymous No.6551086]

welcome back 6 months schizo, missed ya
keep shitting up the board and never listening to anyones genuine advice

[Anonymous No.6551124]

>>6551086
>genuine advice
None of the genuine advice worked, if it did I would be better.

[Anonymous No.6551139]

>>6551124
Well that's not true. You could have been fucking it up or not working that much during the six months.

How many hours a day do you work on it? How many drawings do you do within that time? What was your general practice routine? Impossible to say what you are fucking up if you aren't telling us any of this.

[Anonymous No.6551149]

>>6551055
Just give up for now and be a wagie. There are plenty of people doing what they love past 65. You should wait until then.

[Anonymous No.6551152]

>>6551149
I plan to commit suicide or John lennon a celeb

[Anonymous No.6551156]

>>6551055
Why do you think its over? Cause you want to get famous drawing or some shit? How is it too late? It doesn't make any sense. Are you retarded? learn to draw for yourself, then you've made it regardless

[Anonymous No.6551158]

>>6551156
Because I can't be good, duh?

[Anonymous No.6551159]

>>6551055
You aren’t applying yourself, anyone can improve at. You’re just lazy, fag. >>6551119

[Anonymous No.6551165]

>>6551158
You're a faggot if you think this way

[Anonymous No.6551166]

>>6551159
I applied myself and pic related is what I got, 6 months if my life, wasted.
>>6551165
How dare someone want to do a good job at something?

[Anonymous No.6551179]

>>6551166
Motherfucker does a handful of drawings over a few months and thinks he is going to be the next picasso.

You have wildly high expectations for the amount of effort you have put in anon.

[Anonymous No.6551182]

>>6551166
If you have no talent then it will take you longer to be good. You only want to be good instantaneously you don't want to take long road to become good, this why you obsess over the time and not mileage. Also are you not using comparative measuring for the cat? At least do that or grid to improve hand-eye-coordination. The female face look okay so far.

[Anonymous No.6551190]

>>6551182
>>6551179
Look at the egg, I couldnt shade it.
My brain cant handle it, cant grasp volume or shading.
It would take me 20 years to draw like pic related, at that point, why bother?

Be honest with me, if I continue, if I go back, Im going to be some of those that draw and draw and never improve? Drawing for decades and still at the same level?

[Anonymous No.6551192]

just trace his drawings a lot, then draw with imagination + reference, compare, repeat ad infinitum

[Anonymous No.6551193]

>>6551190
>Be honest with me, if I continue, if I go back, Im going to be some of those that draw and draw and never improve? Drawing for decades and still at the same level?

maybe, no one really knows.

[Anonymous No.6551198]

>>6551193
No, you can know, you already know, you tell me.

[Anonymous No.6551199]

Write a manga about your struggles, make the protagonist who can't fly like every other kid, only jump pretty good. Make him really envious of his favorite flyguy, as a young guy he wanted to be like him, but as he got older his flying ability never emerged and he feels like he was robbed of a life.

[Anonymous No.6551200]

>>6551198
rolling, odds you make it. even ngmi

[Anonymous No.6551201]

>>6551190
Yes. Now give up, and make this decision one of those you will regret for the rest of your life

[Anonymous No.6551202]

>>6551190
>Look at the egg, I couldnt shade it.
No it doesn't mean your brain doesn't understand it can be that you pairing of your hand not good, this is just hand-eye coordination. Handiwork and detailing low iq not brain thing, you can only improve by mechanical drawing doesn't require concept or understanding so this actually take physical practice. Like you I understand how lighting or values work either so I cannot do from imagination, but I can copy a sphere from still life closely because I develop my hand-eye-coordination, but does that mean I understand? No, I don't I just learn to develop my handiwork. This sort of thing literally monkey thing you just get better with motor skill.

Shading is test of handiwork and detail, it only a test of your understanding of value if you doing from imagination but if you are copying from reference it's all motor skill because you have the cheat sheet already make lighting for you so you just need your hand learn to copy physically.

>Be honest with me, if I continue, if I go back, Im going to be some of those that draw and draw and never improve? Drawing for decades and still at the same level?

Not same level, maybe you just not improve as fast as others If you're so concerned maybe go get teacher.

[Anonymous No.6551212]

>>6551190
I've been drawing for nearly fifteen years at this point so. Yeah. That's exactly what you do lmao. If years of practice just to be decent at something doesn't appeal to you go do something easier.

[Anonymous No.6551218]

I remember when I was 23 and instead of shitting up boards with self-pity over my massive stack of bad drawings, I was shitting out my fundies everyday and breaking pencils out of rage. This pursuit isn’t for pussies, op. You either develop a work ethic and high pain threshold or put the pencil down and go learn the yo-yo because the learning curve isn’t going to change just for you little buddy.

[Anonymous No.6551220]

Did you enjoy drawing at some point? Or do you think you will only enjoy it when/if you get good? If the later, maybe you should stop.

[Anonymous No.6551229]

>>6551220
At some point, yes.
When I was drawing my own ideas but I stopped feeling any joy from drawing when I truly realized I had no talent.

[Anonymous No.6551230]

>>6551190
>It would take me 20 years to draw like pic related, at that point, why bother?
Because people draw for its own sake. It's fun. Hokusai was enjoying what he was doing so much he was looking forward to painting well past his 90s. I've been drawing for 20 years and I'm low-int at best; I don't really give a shit if it takes me another 20 to improve. If that sounds too daunting, go pick up something else. Otherwise, just keep at it. Keep at it until you fall in love with it.

[Anonymous No.6551232]

>>6551220
Yeah this is too real. Whenever you improve you always look up. It's recipe for disappointment.

>>6551230
Based Hokusai enjoyer.

[Anonymous No.6551269]

>>6551055
Here, have some indian grifter therapist tell you what to do:
>https://www.mashupstack.com/share/6408e4e50e786

And a self improvement thread in /t/
>>1202722

[Anonymous No.6551282]

>>6551201
Ill kill myself one day, life is of zero worth at all.
>>6551202
But ill never be good
>>6551212
>>6551218
>>6551220
>>6551230
>>6551269
>>6551232
Hokusai had talent, I dont have any
I enjoyed draeing my ideas but when it finslly clicked that i would never be good, always limited and chained, it can break anyone.
I could draw for longer than hokusai, i could draw for 200 years, I'd never be good.

[Anonymous No.6551284]

>>6551218
based snob

[Anonymous No.6551288]

>>6551282
how do you think all those devianart tier artists keep posting their shitty ocs for years? How do they they cope

[Anonymous No.6551291]

>>6551282
What even is your goal for art if you were to be good?

[Anonymous No.6551293]

I say just lower your expectations and draw whatever shitty things you want. You may never become the next hokusai or loomis or whoever ic looks up to, but you may discover new things and surprise yourself at what you can do in a few months or years down the line.

[Anonymous No.6551298]

>>6551293
>>6551291
>>6551288
Do art, I know I could be a good artist.
Paintings, comics, sculpture.

[Anonymous No.6551303]

>>6551282
from what I have seen you draw, you practice a variety of techniques, some are quite ambitious with full shading and construction. What if you focused on a single aspect to improve, ignore everything else for a while? Once you see measurable progress with that one specific area, you may gain confidence knowing improvement is possible.
For example, just drawing eyes everyday for 3-4 weeks.

[Anonymous No.6551318]

>>6551282
That's the funniest part. Hokusai never thought he was any good either until he was almost 80. No matter how good you get as an artist this is a common sentiment. If your only goal is to "get good" you might be waiting until you are eighty and even then still not think you are good.

[Anonymous No.6551354]

>>6551298
>Paintings, comics, sculpture.
Your goals are too broad. Think of something feasible over the short term, such as, "I want to learn to draw heads." Then break that down into smaller steps as well. Also, 22 is not remotely old. Why is this board full of people who think they're ready for the nursing home the minute they qualify for a driver's license? I've seen people learn to draw well starting out in their 60s. You're young, and have plenty of time. Probably following bad advice, but that can be corrected.

[Anonymous No.6551355]

>>6551288
literal autists who are incapable of that kind of self awareness, or kids.

[Anonymous No.6551362]

>>6551298
You want to do art but you let your self esteem and poor ego destroy your will and drive to do art? This seem like to me you have issue with your mind and soul, probably trauma or psychological issue maybe fix that first. Art is not problem, your soul and mind's well-being is problem, ego out of balance and in chaos. If it is you will be like this with anything you try to do, and any obstacle you face, not just with art.

[Anonymous No.6551363]

>>6551055
oh hey ur bak did u draw?

[Anonymous No.6551422]

>>6551362
>>6551354
>>6551363
>>6551318
>>6551303
>>6551368

This person has been drawing for 6 months, he's years ahead of me

IT WOULD TAKE ME 30 FUCKING YEARS OF NOTHING BUT 24/7 DRAWING TO MAYBE BE MERELY DECENT

[Anonymous No.6551435]

>>6551422
Well if it takes you 30 years sounds like you better start grinding now.

[Anonymous No.6551447]

>>6551422
notice they said they are all copies? if you go slow, you can do it. I think you rush your drawings. If you are afraid of fucking up, use a grid, at your level, maybe 4x4 squares. draw slowly. plan your lines, to get more confident looking lines you can ghost the lines(draw without putting the pen to the page) a few times.

[Anonymous No.6551559]

>>6551435
Now. Why do it?
If that guy will be a pro in2 years? Why spend 30 years? Why do it?
>>6551447
I cant, why even? I have no talent.
It would take me 30 years to ve st his level, why bother?

[Anonymous No.6551565]

>>6551559
do it anyway without talent, that would be impressive. find a way to relax while drawing, be it meditation, or change of environment.

[Anonymous No.6551566]

>>6551559
Because you want to get better at art obviously. If it's going to take you thirty years you better start cracking now or you are going to be /beg/ in your sixties still.

[Anonymous No.6551568]

>>6551055
comparison is the devil! dont be discouraged by other's growth. you dont know their background and all the years they put into it.
you probably burnt yourself out trying to strive for impossible standards for yourself!! draw for fun and for yourself, and thats when youll grow!

[Anonymous No.6551573]

>>6551055
Lol I remember you 3 month schizo, hope you’re in a better place

[Anonymous No.6551575]

>>6551568
>>6551566
>>6551565
>>6551573
ILLL FUCKING FUCK AND KILL YOU

[Anonymous No.6551581]

ITT Retard zoomer realizes art takes years of hard work and effort and proceeds to flips the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.6551584]

>>6551575
you said that 6 months ago and yet I still live.

This japanese guy drew this with his mouth, his whole body paralyzed. If he can do that, what is really stopping you but yourself?

[Anonymous No.6551594]

>>6551584
Talent, no man will do more thsn what his predetermined talent allows

Life is HARD DETERMINISTIC, meaning no one is in control of his actions.

[Anonymous No.6551599]

>>6551594
Did you watch this video?
https://vimeo.com/29510470
Jonathan Hardesty’s 9 Year Journey From Novice To Master Painter
At what point in the video is his "talent" evident? you are better than he was when he started, younger too.

[Anonymous No.6551625]

>>6551599
He had the talent, always. Determinism.

More talented than me

[Anonymous No.6551631]

>>6551625

[Anonymous No.6551635]

>>6551625
FUCK YOU YOU FUCK IF YOU DONT DRAW EVERY GOD DAMN DAY AND TRY YOUR ACTUAL HARDEST TO GET BETTER I'LL GO JEFFERY DAHMER ON YOUR FAGGOT ASS
BUY A SKETCHBOOK AND FILL EVERY PAGE WITH DRAWINGS YOU WISH YOU MADE FUCKING DO IT DONT COME BACK HERE TILL YOUR HAND HURTS FROM DRAWING SO GOD DAMN MUCH

[Anonymous No.6551642]

If you put so much effort into writing FAILURE over all your studies maybe try typography?

[Anonymous No.6551655]

>too old at 19
Mf I started at 24 and I am 25 now and ok
If you're not progressing you're doing something wrong, and it might be that you're not going about it the right way or you need to change your thinking

[Anonymous No.6551660]

>>6551655
Duh, youre talented then
Im not

[Anonymous No.6551720]

>>6551559
Don't do it. There's literally no point in doing it.
I don't learn music because I don't give a fuck about it, I don't learn coding because I hate that shit.

If you don't find at least some enjoyment in the grind or at least find the thought of eventually getting better comforting (no matter if it takes 10+ years) there's literally no point doing it.

Nobody cares or will care about what you'll create or won't create, the world won't be losing its next master artists if you decide to quit, you do this shit for yourself. If you don't like it, find something you like, because every skill requires a shitton of grind, drawing requires ten times that amount.

Just play vidya, masturbate and use AI pathetic fag.

[Anonymous No.6551759]

>>6551720
Who the fuck do you think you are?
I dont fear death, I dont give a fuck, I want what I want. I want to do it because

[Anonymous No.6551775]

>>6551759
I'm someone who's miles better than you, I shit on your pathetic scribbles and rejoice in your suffering and inhability to create or reach even the beggest beg's level.

Just kill yourself right now, or are you so much of a failure that can't even do that right?

[Anonymous No.6551781]

>>6551775
don't kill yourself, kill your ego. then kill the past beg tier artist in you by grinding the fuck out of fundies.

[Anonymous No.6551794]

>>6551775
I want to kill others, I am a rabid dog lmao.

I long to rape and kill, be it man, woman or kids. I wan to embrace my inner BOB. I don't give a shit lol, never enjoyed a single day of life, I don't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.6551840]

>>6551794
If you didn't, you'd have done it a long time ago.
Faggot

[Anonymous No.6551860]

>>6551840
I didnt kill myself in NYE simply because I didnt want to lmao.
Whydo I lack talent tho?

[Anonymous No.6551882]

>>6551860
other people might be more talented. but by virtue of being human, you do have some talent, compared to most life on earth you're a fucking god of drawing bro.

[Anonymous No.6551896]

>>6551882
Kill yourself, I wanna be a pro

[Anonymous No.6551900]

>>6551055
Let me tell you, it gets worse. Quit while you're ahead.

[Anonymous No.6551912]

>>6551896
You are, compared to an elephant, though elephants art is more popular that yours.

[Anonymous No.6551952]

>>6551900
>>6551912
I want to be good how
Why am i talentless

[Anonymous No.6551999]

>>6551055
Why'd you create another thread? >>6549627
Quit being a little attention whore who writes piddling posts where you show pathetic, dramatic, ham fisted images of drawings with "Failure" scribbled on them.

I don't even think your most recent drawings are serious attempts, your 2020-21 drawings showed promise, and yet now your showing 5 minute doodles and expect them to be masterpieces. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6552005]

>>6551794
>Bob
Do you watch “conspiracy r us” too?

[Anonymous No.6552031]

>>6551999
Why would I be serious? I have no talent, all my effort and what? I busted mt ass studying in 2020, never did shit.
This fucker
>>6551422
Picks up a pen and he is on his way to being a pro in 6 months

[Anonymous No.6552071]

>>6552031
>Why would I be serious?
So you can't even be bothered to put in the effort, but continue to cry about it? Just fuck off, you're either deranged or trying to goof us.

[Anonymous No.6552091]

OP is only 22 but thinks he’s ready for the retirement home. He practices so little but thinks he deserves to be God by now.

A child throwing a tantrum. You will never be good with your attitude.

[Anonymous No.6552104]

>>6552031
Kim Jung Gi drew picrel when he was 17, meanwhile 95% of Mangakas can't draw like he drew at 17 when they're at 50-60 year old now and they'll never draw like he drew. If you wanna give up you can give up, but they didn't give up.

[Anonymous No.6552116]

ITT: Draw OP as a little whining gremlin

[Anonymous No.6552156]

Schizoposter at this point has to be bait. Unironically. You could tell them the exact issue and they ignore it as if they know better.

[Anonymous No.6552181]

Shoooo schizo, shooo!

[Anonymous No.6552193]

>howie pets a dog.jpg
Yeah yeah, just please keep being a schizo here and dont drag your retardness in the webcomic thread on /co/ like last time

[Anonymous No.6552202]

>>6551055
Oooh my god, I'm so tired of faggots like you acting like death is at their doorstep. RETARD, YOU'RE ONLY 22. If you're not having fun drawing no matter what then just fucking quit. Seems to me like you're chasing the high of being good at art.

[Anonymous No.6552204]

>>6551055

if you see no progress learning by yourself. you need a teacher. get a job and use that earnings and subscribe to something like schoolism or something.

[Anonymous No.6552219]

Your lack of examples for every year is telling. You barely draw, I'd bet both my nuts that you don't draw more than once a week. You barely put in any effort. You try to study art but it's fruitless, you can't draw what you don't understand.

You're burning out because you're only focusing on your skill as an artist. Draw what you enjoy faggot, and do studies on the side. Drawing is literally better than sex. I ejaculate gallons of cum each time I make a line stroke. I would literally kill myself if I somehow became permanently unable to draw. Even on my worst art days what brings me comfort is that I KNOW I'll one day be a master. If you can't even muster a tenth of that confidence about yourself you're ngmi

[Anonymous No.6552498]

>>6552202
If you dont have talent, why bother?

[Anonymous No.6552500]

>>6552156
Whats the issue? Any answer that ignores the hard deterministic nature of everything is bullshig

[Anonymous No.6552509]

>>6552071
Why try if theres no talent?

[Anonymous No.6552514]

>>6552104
He has talent of course, i dont so not valid

[Anonymous No.6552546]

Everyone, stop replying to this troll. He’s wasting your time.

[Anonymous No.6552553]

>>6552546
Dude comes around here every once in awhile to bait responses and every time suckers fall for it.

[Anonymous No.6552595]

>>6552546
>>6552553
I dont bait, I want to hear the truth, find the real reason

[Anonymous No.6552828]

>>6551166
It won't get better, ever, anon. These talentfags have no fucking clue what it's like for us who don't have what they do.

[Anonymous No.6552854]

>>6551149
>be a wagie
Most artists are wagies though as art earns you shit money

[Anonymous No.6552882]

>>6551060
You're so caught up with self pity you can't learn. Art is a craft just like any other. When you were a babe you learned how to walk through some hardship. Now your next hardship is the disciplines that make up good art. So grab a pencil and start somewhere simple.

[Anonymous No.6552935]

>>6551055
>why? I was insulted and called talentless
you really don't have what it takes. I know people like you. You'll NEVER make it.

[Anonymous No.6553006]

>>6551055
if you don't enjoy the process you'll never get good. I suggest taking up another hobby you can enjoy without comparing yourself to an impossible standard. While doing that maybe somewhere along the line you'll re-examine your insecurities about art.

[Anonymous No.6553058]

Ah it's the 7 months incel, nice to see him back

[Anonymous No.6553601]

>>6551055
wait did you draw that anakin, ive seen it around

[Anonymous No.6555011]

>Schizoanon drains /ic/ of another 400 post thread for the umpteenth time.
I don't know whats worse at this point...

[Anonymous No.6555039]

is it weird if i enjoy drawing unironically but also really want to learn how to draw well so i can make fanart of stuff i like so i can be able to interact with other little artists who do the same
am i gonna make it

[Anonymous No.6555042]

Art is relative

[Anonymous No.6558545]

>>6551055
You've been at it for like 3 years inconsistently at most, that's like nothing, it takes at least 5 years for most people to get half decent and the few ones that improve that much in the span of 1 or 2 years draw like 10-12 hours a day

It takes most people 5-10 years to get to pro level, most artists make their entry into the scene in their twenties and they're still not fully mature, talented teens are the exception and plenty of artists also get good when they're older

If you want to do it then do it, you can always keep it as a hobby and I know it gets frustrating when you're not as good as you want but you'll never be fully satisfied even as your art gets better

If you're just gonna regret not trying later it's better to go down and study, when you're down you gotta try and understand where your flaws are and how to do better, tutorials are good and all but you gotta figure stuff out for yourself