/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6549514]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the sticky

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous Thread: >>6545008

[Anonymous No.6549523]

>>6549502

1.Yeah. I have issues with my camera.
2.I also have issues with making the chair feel natural. I will work on it.
3.I need said person to look away in shame as part of the lore behind the pic.
4.Thanks. I have been trying to get this right.
5.Something else I am trying to work on. I really hope to get this right.

Yeah. I have been trying to make this pic work for a while now and it has been a struggle. I hope to finally get this done and would like a recline or pointers in what to do if that is okay. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6549524]

Loving Krenz. I haven't found anyone that has more detailed, idiot-proof step-by-step instructions

What is the recommended order for doing the Krenz courses - perspective rhythm color?

And the krenz notion site (https://asgg.notion.site/Krenz-238090f8a5934eb883fc644bef1d1214)) has a "SAM" course. What's that? What does SAM stand for? Where would it fit into the order?

[Anonymous No.6549527]

where the FUCK are pre/beg/s meant to go?

[Anonymous No.6549529]

Goddamn, it's time to draw again after a big break. Why can't I stick with it, fucking no, I have to hop in and out like a retard.
I need discipline.

[Anonymous No.6549532]

>>6549523
10min redline of the points I made before. Plus i moved your shameful character around, this improves the composition IMO. And I added some rough perspective lines.

I dunno, I'm no pro, don't take this as gospel

[Anonymous No.6549534]

>>6549532
And the character to the left of the birthing woman being completely obscured by the lamp (?) was i bit weird to me, so I moved it a bit

[Anonymous No.6549536]

i finished perspective made easy and made this
it’s not perfect, it’s not detailed, but it’s better than where i was a month ago (don’t look at the barstools i know i fucked then up)

[Anonymous No.6549537]

>>6549536
ref. it’s not an exact copy. i just searched greasy diner on pinterest. not really a good photo the lighting is ugly.

[Anonymous No.6549552]

>>6549527
Right here.

[Anonymous No.6549554]

>>6549524
Where can i download this course?

[Anonymous No.6549557]

Now that I'm slowly starting to grasp gesture thanks to the Villpu method, is it time I also focus on studying the body parts on their own and how they connect for quicker progress? This applies to both timed life drawings and my own stuff from imagination (pic related).

[Anonymous No.6549573]

>>6549557
Gabe you've been grinding gestures for like 48 hours, do a couple hundred more at least.

[Anonymous No.6549575]

>>6549536
>>6549537
Good job!!

[Anonymous No.6549583]

>>6549554
There's no video download available AFAIK. Krenz is chinese, so (assuming you don't speak chinese) they won't be useful to you anyway. The notes I linked are very detailed and seem sufficient to me.

Krenz has a YouTube channel where some videos are subtitled in English.

[Anonymous No.6549587]

>>6549514
Is studying the same thing as copying?

[Anonymous No.6549590]

>>6549587
No one can tell you.
You can't recreate a process, you can see the results but where copying ends and studying begins who knows man that depends.
Fuck around and find out and keep your cup empty.

[Anonymous No.6549592]

am i almost out of pre-beg?
not sure if just drawing figures from photographs is good but heres a couple quick ones, and some 60 sec gestures.

how do i do less lines in my gestures? i feel i block sections off and scribble too much so theres no 'flow' or whatever

[Anonymous No.6549595]

>>6549536
You somehow made it look the the chairs are very far away from the table.

[Anonymous No.6549596]

>>6549595
i know, i know. it’s my first time ok.

[Anonymous No.6549598]

>>6549587
>>6549590
Krenz (I'm his biggest shill here, I know) on brainless vs. smart copying helped me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw

Watch the whole thing or use the index provided in the top comment.

[Anonymous No.6549603]

>>6549587
I haven't seen the Krenz video, but the idea is right. There are various levels of usefulness to "copying" something - you could trace it, grid it out, sight size it, or use comparative measurements, some of them are going to teach you more than others. If you "copy" things intelligently, you will learn a lot.

[Anonymous No.6549605]

How did YOU, PERSONALLY get out of being a pre/beg/?

[Anonymous No.6549610]

>>6549605
this is not a thing stop be so whiny.

[Anonymous No.6549615]

Is there somewhere I can just get a picture of a male and female body measured out in heads so I know where everything goes?

[Anonymous No.6549646]

I saw a youtube video clearly catered to dribbling toddlers but its the only thing that gave me something I could actually do, so I may as well be a dribbling toddler

[Anonymous No.6549687]

>>6549596
oh you actually wrote it in the op, did not even read it before posting. my bad, good catch though.

[Anonymous No.6549708]

>>6549646
Draw rocks, trees, insects, jellyfish, crabs, etc. Start building your visual library asap.

https://youtu.be/22XYoenU-0c

Just drawing primitive forms isn't the fastest way to improve, because you could also be building your visual library, and learning to apply construction in semi-complex ways.

[Anonymous No.6549713]

>>6549708
>Draw rocks, trees, insects, jellyfish, crabs, etc
see this is why i said the video for children is the only thing that gave me something I could actually do

[Anonymous No.6549728]

>>6549713
Try it. Rocks and Trees are easier than perfect cubes and spheres, because organic forms give you room for error

[Anonymous No.6549731]

>tfw no not-dead art thread on /v/

[Anonymous No.6549754]

>>6549731
>not-dead
i think theres a word for that

[Anonymous No.6549761]

>>6549754
There is a drawthread on /v/, but it's basically on life support, so I'm waiting for the guerilla one.

[Anonymous No.6549765]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpVRNZaLuRc
WHAT I WANT
WHAT I WANT
IS JUST YOUR CHILLL-DREN!

>>6549761
Is there a profanity cap?

[Anonymous No.6549766]

>>6549765
>Is there a profanity cap?
Not sure what do you mean, but NSFW stuff has to be linked via catbox.

[Anonymous No.6549770]

>>6549766
Do they just post requests, or... can you post anything?

[Anonymous No.6549773]

I'm a virgin. I never felt the warmth of a woman before. Is not having a girlfriend a limitation to my capabilities of drawing female? Is it over for me?

[Anonymous No.6549777]

CALLIOPENIS ENVY FROM YOUR DA-DDY!!

[Anonymous No.6549783]

What canvas/brush size do you guys recommend using? I've been drawing on an A4 (2480 x 3508) with a 15-20px brush. It mostly works, but I still feel a bit constricted with it.

[Anonymous No.6549796]

>>6549773
make art, aquire gf

[Anonymous No.6549797]

>>6549770
I think you can post freely in the drawthread.

[Anonymous No.6549798]

>>6549573
Ok

[Anonymous No.6549801]

>>6549798
yeah man, i used to do that stick figure shit too. It's honestly completely useless. Just draw the basic forms first. Learn to draw a proportionate thigh in comparison to the torso, then a proportionate calf in comparison to the thigh, etc. I'm not telling you to not do figure drawing, just skip the stick figure stage. That's something that trickled down from Nicolaides, who was a worthless artist

[Anonymous No.6549827]

Krenz study
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/l9Zmz

going in and trying to do small details too early.
colors were too saturated and neutral compared to original, need to pay more attention to color temperature and color cast

[Anonymous No.6549838]

>>6549827
30m in / 2 hours
shows the problems i mentioned a lot more clearly, and I'm already going in and trying to hit small orange/red notes when the overall saturation and temperature is completely wrong

>>6549587
depends
imo if youre just starting out try to make an accurate copy, since your improvement will come from "seeing" and recreating accurately. you don't necessarily need to study someone else's art, you can just draw jars or flowers or hands etc from real life.
later on when you study other artists or photos to learn color etc. you have to think more about what you want to learn from the experience
(especially with photos which often neuter the dynamic range + more subtle notes of the actual scene)

[Anonymous No.6549897]

>>6549827
what you need to do is make the image more readable. if you fixed the waterfall behind, increase the size of the sapes and decrease the quantity of it it would look better

[Anonymous No.6549905]

How do I understand form? People tell me muh art is formless but I don't know how I can better grasp it. I did drawabox and they suggest form is something you just learn with time. I cannot see the paper as a 3d space, I can create an illusion of 3d however with simple objects.

[Anonymous No.6549908]

>>6549905
it is normal to struggle with it. i think the best thing you could do is to study perspective and analyse other artists. pen and ink art is great to understand form, try to copy

[Anonymous No.6549919]

>>6549592
Pre beg is a meme, it starts at beginner.
Keep practicing gestures and figures and focus on capturing the movement with one or two lines. Also draw a lot of these, like 30 minutes a day minimum of 30 second up to 5 minutes. Look up Kenzo’s anatomy drawings on YouTube when you have time.

[Anonymous No.6549996]

Tried out one of crtlpaint's blending assignments. My attempt is on the left. I'm sure it's messy but I like how it came out given I have pretty much no experience with painting.

[Anonymous No.6550003]

>>6549605
Keys to drawing, practicing drawing lines, and focusing on observation/accuracy. every pre/beg/ ever has clear problems with drawing from observation and will continue to deny this if you bring it up. How can you draw from imagination if you can't draw something infront of you?

[Anonymous No.6550009]

>>6550003
Fucking this. The majority of begs I see are obsessed with construction and drawing a cross in an anime face silhouette, when observational drawing is the most important of fundamentals and the first thing one should be at least competent at.

[Anonymous No.6550027]

>>6549996
Left looks better

[Anonymous No.6550045]

Just redid the guy on the bottom left.

Had him be proportional to everyone else.

[Anonymous No.6550080]

is just drawing stuff from quickposes a good way to improve?

[Anonymous No.6550087]

>>6549996
Holy shit,you did a great job anon! I think your attempt is even better than the original,keep it up!

[Anonymous No.6550093]

>>6550080
Drawing figures is a good way to improve because of how hard they are

[Anonymous No.6550096]

>>6549514
Why the fuck did this get picked instead of the chainsaw man painting from last thread? That and and so many others were so much better than Pawell's shitty drawings

[Anonymous No.6550111]

You just can't help feeling afraid picking up, thinking this day will be worse than the last.

[Anonymous No.6550112]

[Anonymous No.6550119]

>>6549583
Taiwanese filthy troon

[Anonymous No.6550120]

>>6550093
even if i'm not really sure what i'm doing?

[Anonymous No.6550124]

big old pair of tiddies

[Anonymous No.6550132]

>>6550120
You should read books and follow along copying if you are a noob

[Anonymous No.6550141]

How can I improve

[Anonymous No.6550143]

>>6550120
Yes. If it's hard and you don't know what you are doing that shows you are in the place where you have opportunity for growth. Feel free to read up on figure drawing before you do it and learn some techniques though if you are that intimidated.

[Anonymous No.6550145]

>>6550143
it's not so much being intimidated as being worried that my practiice won't do much good and i'll have wasted time

[Anonymous No.6550146]

>>6550124
Extremely lewd proportions, i love it.

[Anonymous No.6550157]

>>6550145
Personally I found figure drawing to be the best practice if you are wanting to draw people. It really helped me strengthen my anatomy and general proportions of figures. I would recommend doing different types of figure studies as well though. I found forcing myself to do different timed intervals of figure drawing helped to strengthen different aspects. For example 30 second figure drawings really helped me to gain line confidence while 30 minute figure drawings really helped me to get better at rendering figures.

[Anonymous No.6550158]

>>6550124
>hands hidded
>legs cutted

Drawing shidded

[Anonymous No.6550159]

>>6550141
by drawing

[Anonymous No.6550160]

>>6550112
stubby fingaz

[Anonymous No.6550182]

>>6549897
Yeah I'll do some more this week trying to focus more on getting larger shapes + colors correct, there was too much i fixed here in the 2nd half on top of a bad base

>>6549996
compared to the right you squashed the value range a bit, notice how it has darker darks and lighter lights. The original doesn't really have hard edges, but I'd also caution you to watch for which edges need to be soft and how soft they are.
going more into personal opinion territory, imo you should try to watch values and shapes more closely than trying to blend. you can have a great image with only hard edges, but not without good values/shapes.
Craig mullins on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8gMbLxbWc

[Anonymous No.6550220]

OP is based. Hope everyone is having fun while drawing/working. Footloose!

[Anonymous No.6550230]

Critique.

[Anonymous No.6550233]

>>6549514

[Anonymous No.6550240]

>>6550230
RAAAAAAAAAPE

[Anonymous No.6550246]

>>6550220
hard to have fun when you try to draw a cute girl and get a distended potato

[Anonymous No.6550247]

I made more revisions from >>6549294 , What you think? What should I learn or read next I finished reading Perspective Made Easy earlier.

[Anonymous No.6550252]

>>6550027
>>6550087
Thanks :)

>>6550182
Thanks for the critique anon. Honestly, I only recently decided to start painting some. I just started going through ctrlpaint's videos after hearing it recommended a lot and he hasn't touched on values/shapes too much, but I'll keep that in mind going forward.

[Anonymous No.6550253]

>>6550247
I am samefagging to add I already do figure drawing and read Hampton. Maybe I read anatomy book next, Bridgman or Anatomy for sculptors or I read and practice more perspective?

[Anonymous No.6550287]

>>6550253
>read and practice more perspective
Do this

[Anonymous No.6550302]

Hello beg! I see i made it to the OP. I would celebrate if op didnt pick the piece where i heavily fucked up the womans face. Oh well. Begs being beg and all.

>>6550247
i will just say i think you did better simply because it was your second attempt + you practiced a lot before, not necessarily because you practiced perspective
>>6550233
one piece anime? ruffy?
>>6550230
the drapery has so small folds and so limited shades it is kinda flat
>>6550220
i see you wield the power of doodling. these little ornaments where one line is shared between multiple symbols is still eluding me. thumbs up!
>>6550141
i presume you are on gesture grind. you improve by simply doing gestures + every 50/100 gestures you draw and render one whole figure (out of the gesture)
>>6550120
yes. if in doubt pick up some figure drawing book, sticky is full of recc books about it. vilpu, bridgman, loomis, hamilpton and so on
>>6549905
i started feeling the form by accident while on gesture grind. basically after you draw enough shit it should click in. you can also try book: art and science of drawing by eviston. that book is ALL about feeling the form + its targeting prebegs hard
>>6549773
i would argue the opposite: the virgin fantasies about how awesome sex is can easily outpace the boring reality, resulting in masterpiece coom drawings.
>>6549646
you have the wrong mindset anon. we learn by challenge. by attempting to draw something you cannot you learn the most. you have to believe in the process and yourself. more details in keys to drawing
>>6549605
keys to drawing
>>6549592
>less lines
according to Nicolaides good gesture is omega fast paced scribble with 1 continuous line where you dont lift the pen until gesture is done. Try that
>>6549587
not all studies are copies, not all copies are studies. But yes, you level up multiple drawing skills just by making copies and multiple books heavily recommend doing master studies
>>6549536
good
>>6549527
You are supposed to draw in between posting

[Anonymous No.6550304]

Doing very little. This was all I managed to do last week.
I did a shitty drawing from imagination today, but I'm not posting it.

[Anonymous No.6550348]

How do I practice drawing the torso/waist and placing the head?

[Anonymous No.6550354]

>>6549583
So is the info this guy is delivering that special and mindblowing to justify dealing with chingchonese? Is there something new that can be said about perspective at this point that isn't covered in english?

[Anonymous No.6550358]

Some kjg studies

[ye old fred No.6550368]

>>6549514
any critique on this?

[Anonymous No.6550369]

some sketching before i go speedrun loomis for a last time. Gonna miss the dude, i still need to get a good pencil so i can properly draw all the face examples. Also, i am fearing finally starting Perspctive Made Easy.

[Anonymous No.6550377]

>>6550368
What are you even going for with these?

[Anonymous No.6550383]

>>6550096
Because clearly, Pawell is the CEO of /beg/ and these retards seem to love him for some reason. I mean his art sucks evidently but he at least has charisma and generally offers sound advice and commentary.

You on the other hand just sound like a (you)s deprived whiny lil crackhead. You see, your first mistake was posting on a /beg/ thread with expectations.

Unironically, the best way to actually make it is by leaving /ic/ altogether, to focus on actual work. Outside critique will only do so much for you and worst of all, it will turn you into an external validation junkie.

Leave now while you still can. This place aint worth it.

[Anonymous No.6550402]

>>6550302
>by attempting to draw something you cannot you learn the most
>>"just do the thing you cant do"
uh-huh.
>you have to believe in the process and yourself
Easier said.
>more details in keys to drawing
That book makes me want to kill myself. Is there anything that doesn't invoke rage?

[Anonymous No.6550403]

>>6550287
Ok I try more boxes and other shapes tomorrow but no post it's no good posting every drawing, but maybe I draw cityscape or interior environment after.

>>6550302
I think it's because I copy better this time from reference, perspective idk how to find vanishing point for things such as arms or armor pieces so I assume they look mismatched because all parts in different perspective. Btw is that all from reference? I think the rendering looks good but it would help to include reference for comparison.

[Anonymous No.6550418]

>>6549514
how would someone fix this
(not the artist btw, just saw it on their profile and thought i could probably help with advice from here, also dont comment on how they draw faces since thats just their..style i guess, theyre not gonna change that)

[Anonymous No.6550420]

[Anonymous No.6550422]

>>6550420
What do you all think?

[Anonymous No.6550423]

How do I start with vilppu gesture drawing?

[Anonymous No.6550440]

What should I be aiming for with gesture draws? I keep instinctively doing a mix of Proko, Hamptom, and Loomis mannequins for some reason

[Anonymous No.6550448]

>finish reading up books about perspective and construction
>have to draw a figure now
hold me anons i’m scared. i fell into a comfort zone and i don’t wanna get out.

[Anonymous No.6550452]

[Anonymous No.6550455]

>>6550368
It looks like you are trying to draw a 2 point perspective, some of the lines on the buildings are off a little. none of the building boxes are aligned to the grid made by the VP you've drawn in the middle, so I'm not sure how helpful adding that was. I think it helps to draw the rear occluded faces of all the blocks to get a better feel of if the perspective is right.

[Anonymous No.6550458]

>>6550440

[Anonymous No.6550463]

>>6550358
A few more before bed

>>6550448
But anon this is where the fun part begins

[Anonymous No.6550509]

>>6549514
Can I get some honest opinions and crit on this tattoo design so far?

[Anonymous No.6550510]

[Anonymous No.6550511]

does this pose makes sense?

[Anonymous No.6550514]

>>6550509
Tattoos are gross

[Anonymous No.6550516]

>>6550511
What is the orientation of the picture? The figure appears to be lying down, but the direction of the hair indicates that the figure is also sitting upright? The presence of the crab is also confusing as crabs generally crawl on the ocean floor. Is this a sideways post?

[Anonymous No.6550517]

>>6550509
I'm going to be real with you anon; it's pretty generic and has rough lineart. Where is it going on the body? What did the client ask for?

[Anonymous No.6550520]

>>6550509
would fuck the shit out of the whore who's gonna get this

[Anonymous No.6550522]

>>6550517
Thanks for the critique Anon. Any way you think the lineart can be improved at this stage?

>it’s pretty generic

Fair, but it’s not necessarily completely my design. It’s an alteration of pic related with changes such as snowflakes, fairies, and stars instead.

[Anonymous No.6550523]

I’m not sure what to do next.

[Anonymous No.6550525]

>>6550516
they are in the water container

[Anonymous No.6550526]

>>6550523
Alt

[Anonymous No.6550548]

>>6550522
There are a couple things that are just messy such as the moon. It should at least TRY to represent a full circle instead of being lopsided.

When shown the reference I would also make it clear that the constellations "connect" and also look like constellations, The one at the top is just a single star and makes the idea confusing. The one through the fairies wing also is also failing on the design here. It should probably extend behind her so we see the end of the constellation. This would help the visual clarity for both the constellation and the wings of the fairy. .

[Anonymous No.6550555]

>>6550548
Got it, thanks Anon.

[Anonymous No.6550575]

NKAVH0

[Anonymous No.6550576]

>>6550452
Im not into coomer stuff but I like this anyway, nice colors

[Anonymous No.6550582]

>>6550575
Are you trying to be a concept artist?

[Anonymous No.6550605]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6550610]

part 2

[Anonymous No.6550618]

>>6550605
Where’s the rest of the hatching?

[Anonymous No.6550620]

I also have these things, but I think they are too distracting. :|

[Anonymous No.6550623]

trying to practice portraits with Bradwyn videos.
Should I be locking my elbow when measuring references on my tablet?

[Anonymous No.6550626]

>>6550618
my hand got tired

[Anonymous No.6550631]

>>6550620
stop posting low-res, i want to save your work
the deer might be too much, especially having them overlap the focal point, but you could hide them in the shadow for the viewer to discover

[Anonymous No.6550648]

>>6550605
you lost focus when you got to the legs, that was the moment to get a little walk to get fresh air. but good shapes I can sense the depth in most of them

[Anonymous No.6550659]

bros i’m an undergrad and registered for an art class as an elective. but i’m starting to think i should choose another class because if i’m being honest i feel like it’s the same lessons as here. like one of the assignments is the hand contour thing that i’m pretty sure is in keys to drawing. what do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.6550666]

>>6550626
Get yer shit together and finish it.

[Anonymous No.6550670]

Why do I have no talent? Why did I fail? 6 months wastwd, then 7 until a year and 2 or 3

[Anonymous No.6550676]

Calling it done. A lot of trash choices in the study. Tried to use the anons advice that commented on my WIP post, but turned out midling. Couldn't escape brown sludge. I want to do some master study or something fun next.

[Anonymous No.6550679]

>>6550670
You were doing a lot better in 2020 than the next years, why? What did you do back then? Looks like you started trying to do something new, it didn't work out and you mucked around after?

[Anonymous No.6550681]

>>6550659
If you're not perma/beg/ those art classes have nothing to really offer you unless the teacher is good. If the guy in charge is smart, he will force you to work above your current skillset. Check out the teacher and see whats up.

[Anonymous No.6550683]

>>6550659
who's paying for the class? that should factor in, unless someone else is paying and you (or they) don't care about their money. if you're in college, you should always calculate what every class hour costs you. what does that one class cost you for a semester, and how many hours of in-class lecture and mentoring are there? divide cost by hours. you should do this with every class you take, so you know what it's costing you when you skip class kek. how available your prof is outside of class time is also a factor.

if it really seems like they're just doing exactly what you would do on your own (not unlikely), then what are you paying for? the structure, the lecture, the college credit, the materials (if they're provided), the prof's time, the time around other paying students. is it worth it to you?

also, is it required to take higher level classes that may be more worthy of your time and money? it may be worth eating the cost now if it'll get you to a better value proposition you're interested in down the road.

[Anonymous No.6550691]

>>6550676
>Couln't excape brown sludge
I feel ya. Keep at it, you're on the right track. Maybe consider adding some smaller, simpler painting studies to your current schedule to practice faster, I know these figure studies can take a long time.

[Anonymous No.6550701]

>>6550691
Will do, thanks, man!

[Anonymous No.6550724]

>>6550683
thank you. this is all very helpful. the class is actually online, no lecture, no materials provided, communication with students is online. so i suppose then it probably isn’t worth it. i’ll keep everything you’ve said in mind.

[Anonymous No.6550727]

>>6550724
no problem, fren. I didn't mean to convince you either way, just to consider the costs and benefits. the structure alone could be valuable depending on your personality type/work ethic, but only you can know. good luck!

[Anonymous No.6550749]

Looking for critique, thank you

[Anonymous No.6550750]

>>6550510
Very nice

[Anonymous No.6550757]

>>6550749
Stiff ass posing and doesn't have much sense of 3d space, grind gesture and 3d/organic forms.

[Anonymous No.6550760]

how the FUCK do i learn value and shading or whatever the fuck

[Anonymous No.6550764]

>>6550760
Select a hard round brush, start blocking in darkers and lighters area. Compare with reference.
Yes, it's annoying and difficult, but your have to dive in to understand, good luck.

[Anonymous No.6550766]

>>6550749
can't really feel the volume of the pelvis
horns are placed asymmetrically
hands arms shoulders feel awkwardly posed, but it might be a perspective issue too

[Anonymous No.6550769]

never touched color, shading, light, paint in my life. tried to follow along a timelapse but he eventually just started doing pro shit and i didn't understand anything. think im supposed to abandon the sketch at some point but that's scary, dont understand color at all. kinda fun though.

[Anonymous No.6550774]

>>6550760
get a primer on some light physics basics. Light travel in straight lines. . copy images/ bw/ color/. watch painters explaining stuff. feel a form.

[Anonymous No.6550781]

>>6550757
>>6550766
Okay thank you for the feedbacks, it is useful.
Back to the grind, I guess

[Anonymous No.6550784]

>>6550354
Most teachers show you what a good result looks like and maybe show you the way to create a single piece. Krenz gives you strategies on how to study, philsophies on staying motivated long term, very detailed step-by-step processes. He often gives list of "A is easiest, B is medium difficulty, C is hard, don't do B until you've practiced A" which I've never seen another teacher do, but it's so important because that allows you to choose work with appropriate challenge for your skill, so you don't get bored and don't get overwhelmed/fail more often than necessary.

[Anonymous No.6550786]

>>6550781
Proportions are great though and character on the right is very cute, keep going and don't give up.

[Anonymous No.6550810]

>>6549514

Cute grills are a struggle for a person who mainly draws muscular dudes and ogres. But hey, getting better. Left one seems a bit odd, but it do be.

[Anonymous No.6550824]

>>6550810
I think they're pretty cute

[Anonymous No.6550825]

>>6550576
Aw thank you!! It was hard to make because I drew it all with my finger on a phone.

[Anonymous No.6550826]

>>6550810
Amazing faces
Really dig these and I'm really picky about faced

[Anonymous No.6550839]

>>6550824
>>6550826

Oh damn, thanks!

[Anonymous No.6550842]

Looks nice, hair is a bit awkward on the left one.
Like the simple braids but the bun wouldn't sit that high it'd droop down under it's weight it's like she's wearing a wig too, too high on the head.

[Anonymous No.6550844]

>>6550810
Also try and push the soft and squishy, don't line out things like the tendons in the neck and make the cheeks more round

[Anonymous No.6550845]

>>6550842
For>>6550810

[Anonymous No.6550846]

>>6550842
Oh, true! Many thanks for this.

[Anonymous No.6550848]

>>6550844
Thanks for this too. Bad habit of mine. Although I do like the lines I made on the right grills neck. 8)

[Anonymous No.6550850]

>>6550810
This is nice Anon, I really have no real critique to give. You draw attractive faces very well and your understanding of form is unmatched. Great job, do you have any social media or a blog I can follow? I’d love to see more if your work

[Anonymous No.6550852]

>>6550623
Please resize your images.
I'd do it without measuring first and then see where you went wroing by looking at the angles etc.
This trains you to not just copy but think about how the shapes are related to each other in 3d instead of measuring 2d points.
Or at least that's what you should try to do so you can make things and not only copy images.
>>6550369
Didn't notice hands in the pants first, g-gay!
>>6550463
>>6550358
I think you're at a point where only longer studies will help you improve alot.
>>6550112
Verry nice
>>6550045
Dude just finish it already.

[Anonymous No.6550853]

>>6550848
>Although I do like the lines I made on the right grills neck
Just saying you wouldn't see em unless she's skeletor but if you like it you should keep doing them imo, it's a stylistic choice then

[Anonymous No.6550855]

>>6549514
Crit please . Will respond w/ ref

[Anonymous No.6550856]

>>6550855

[Anonymous No.6550858]

>>6550850

Lmao. Thanks.

https://www.artstation.com/kajhagstrom and you can find my IG with my name if interested.

WIP practice included.

[Anonymous No.6550859]

>>6550853
Yeah, it's a stylistic choice - although it can be a bad choice. I just don't know the right answer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.6550861]

>>6550859
>I just don't know the right answer.
It's probably a life long process, I like your stuff!
You got any answers from the job applications yet?

[Anonymous No.6550864]

>>6550861

Haha, yeah. Thanks!

>You got any answers from the job applications yet?

Yeah! "No jobs for you mate." I have one interview coming up, but once again, I'm more focused on drawing than sending applications. I should really start sending them more often, but I rarely feel confident enough to send them. :|

[Anonymous No.6550866]

>>6550864
Not that anon but I love your work, did they give you any reasons why you didn't land the jobs?

[Anonymous No.6550869]

>>6550855
The details are neat but the shapes are somewhat off. Try to flick your eye back and forth and see the difference in the proportions.

[Anonymous No.6550870]

>>6550866

Thanks. Uh, well, to be honest: I only applied for 2 jobs, and the other place told me that they like my stuff and will inform me if they have any openings but that they don't have any at the moment, and the other place is the place where I have an interview coming up.

And the last time I applied for anything was over 2 years ago. I should REALLY send more applications. >_<

[Anonymous No.6550871]

>>6550870
Well that's reassuring, I was ready to grab the rope. Good luck and definitely send more applications, you will land a job soon.

[Anonymous No.6550874]

>>6550871

Haha. I was extremely ready to grab the rope a couple of years ago. I've spent too much time trying to make it - would be a shame to have spent thousands of hours suffering (in a way) to just throw it all away for nothing. There's literally no chance one won't make it as long as they don't give up and just keep practicing. Atleast that's the way I've always seen it.

[Anonymous No.6550875]

>>6550511
Yeah if it's sideways. The crab actually does make sense if you know that they can swim.

[Anonymous No.6550878]

>>6550864
> I'm more focused on drawing than sending applications
Hah the artists curse!
>but I rarely feel confident enough to send them. :|
Dude you're already pro level imo, you'll do fine,
Mayve your style doesn't match the company but I'm sure you'll find your place.
>>6550874
Based, gmi, nice, great, an inspiration, gmi

[Anonymous No.6550880]

>>6550878

Thanks dude ;_; <3

[Anonymous No.6550886]

>>6550878
Same to you, GMI as long as you don't give up.

[Anonymous No.6550899]

>>6550886
wagmi

[Anonymous No.6550914]

I'm gonna loooooomis.

[Anonymous No.6550934]

>>6550842
>>6550844

Thanks for the superb criticism anon! Made some tweaks according to your feedback, and it 100% made the face cuter.

[Anonymous No.6550951]

>>6550934
Nice every day a little, we'll get there senpai

[Anonymous No.6550952]

trying to overcome grind induced burnout

[Anonymous No.6550962]

Just starting to draw,
I have an ipad from work
Worth drawing on it? Or just stick to paper to draw

[Anonymous No.6550988]

>>6550962
Draw with what gives the most joy and fun especially in the beginning.
>>6550952
Just take a break no need to force anything, usually counterproductive even.

[Anonymous No.6550994]

>get proportions slightly wrong in one place
>mistake carries over to another place
>this goes on until proportions are grotesquely wrong all over the place
I need to get better at sketching.

[Anonymous No.6550999]

Doodlers dictionary

[Anonymous No.6551010]

>>6550575
Rimworld?
Looks nice.

[Anonymous No.6551018]

Reminder: anyone can get good if they love what they do.

Talent is all in the love.

To truly do a study, you gotta be enjoying yourself.

https://on.soundcloud.com/r3XirQg1F4deAYYH6

[Anonymous No.6551034]

>>6551018
This artist is obsessed with horsecocks.
Cool music btw

[Anonymous No.6551043]

>>6550679
Mental breakdown over me having no natural talent and no progress.

[Anonymous No.6551046]

>>6551043
I don't say this to anyone but just give up, seriously.

[Anonymous No.6551047]

>>6551018
>Janny can't bear the sight of a mighty equine phallus

[Anonymous No.6551048]

>>6551043
In contrast to the other anon, don't give up, but get real. I don't have much talent either, I remember drawing sketches like yours in my sketchbook even 2 years ago and I'd say I'm making more progress now than in the last 10 years. Focus, deliberate practice and fixing problems in your own art mean a lot more than just "talent".

[Anonymous No.6551054]

>>6550670
>>6551043
Sup, bozgor.
You made things up, and now are mad for no reason. It's all in your head.

[Anonymous No.6551059]

>>6550988
not forcing it, just drawing things I like right now
thanks though, good advice

[Anonymous No.6551063]

>>6551046
Why?

[Anonymous No.6551066]

>>6551063
Your attitude sucks and you're annoying.

[Anonymous No.6551069]

>>6551010
yes :]

[Anonymous No.6551073]

>>6551048
Share art please, I don't want to take 10 years for what others do in 2
>>6551066
No, tell me, from a skill based viewpoint, should I quit? Do i have a chance? I want to be good.
>>6551054
Why does my heritage matter? I dont even know hungarian lmao

[Anonymous No.6551076]

>>6551073
>No, tell me, from a skill based viewpoint, should I quit? Do i have a chance? I want to be good.
Whatever it takes to get you to leave this board for good.

[Anonymous No.6551080]

[Anonymous No.6551085]

Tard here, how do proportions work exactly? Like, if I want to make a buff dude and a lanky dude and I subscribe to the canon of 8 heads, won't both dudes end up looking the same?

[Anonymous No.6551096]

Is this a good form of gesture and figure drawing?

[Anonymous No.6551109]

>>6551059
Alright man hope you get in your groove again soon

[Anonymous No.6551111]

>>6551096

Jesus Christ stop it with the chicken scratch lines. You literally drew 15 lines when you could've drawn 1 confident line.

[Anonymous No.6551113]

>>6551111
>Jesus Christ stop it with the chicken scratch lines. You literally drew 15 lines when you could've drawn 1 confident line.
Those aren't chicken scratches tho.
I'm learning from Michael Hampton's Analytical Figure Drawing, he explains is not only okay to do that, but those are explicitly to NOT do contour, rather find the volume in the figure.
Not really chicken scratches, but 15 confident lines to compare one to each other.

[Anonymous No.6551114]

>>6550670
>>6551063
>>6551043
>>6551073

>Why do I have no talent?

>Mental breakdown over me having no natural talent and no progress.

No such thing as talent. You definitely don't practice very much nor very hard given your extremely slow progression. Closest thing to talent is IQ, and even that can be increased.

I guess it's easier to just cry that you have no natural born skills which those mythical "talented people" were born with instead of actually putting in the work.

If you're honest with yourself: how much do you actually practice mindfully?

[Anonymous No.6551121]

>>6551113

I guess I used the wrong word here, I'm not a native english speaker. BUT: those are FAR from confident.

[Anonymous No.6551133]

8 months schizo why you even drawing if you don't like it? You need to understand what you are learning instead of copying mindlessly. I am like other anon draw entire life since baby and I still beg even though I do life drawing, mastercopy, and still life for almost 6 years, I realize cause I never actually understand what I copy so I only improve my handiwork. This can be low iq retard (talent is how fast you understand concept), but even retard will learn eventually but slowly. Only thing people like us can do is learn at our own pace, it's irrational compare ourselves to genius who start learning in adulthood and already become pro in few years. If you love drawing enough you will be able to continue and improve if you understand concept but maybe still more retarded than others who learn fast. I think also having guidance is good so you don't get tunnel vision and ingrain bad habits, I have it all the time when drawing from imagination why I cannot do it and only improve motor skills, only can copy and never properly understand fundies. I don' know why you keep coming back, you come back so often clearly you want to draw.

[Anonymous No.6551134]

Another update.
I am hoping to finish this pic soon.
Honestly I have came a long way since when I first posted on /beg/ here.

Kinda hope to get better still.

[Anonymous No.6551135]

>>6551073
8 months schizo why you even drawing if you don't like it? You need to understand what you are learning instead of copying mindlessly. I am like other anon draw entire life since baby and I still beg even though I do life drawing, mastercopy, and still life for almost 6 years, I realize cause I never actually understand what I copy so I only improve my handiwork. This can be low iq retard (talent is how fast you understand concept), but even retard will learn eventually but slowly. Only thing people like us can do is learn at our own pace, it's irrational compare ourselves to genius who start learning in adulthood and already become pro in few years. If you love drawing enough you will be able to continue and improve if you understand concept but maybe still more retarded than others who learn fast. I think also having guidance is good so you don't get tunnel vision and ingrain bad habits, I have it all the time when drawing from imagination why I cannot do it and only improve motor skills, only can copy and never properly understand fundies. I don' know why you keep coming back, you come back so often clearly you want to draw.

[Anonymous No.6551143]

>>6551109
thanks man, although I don't think I've ever been in a groove, I hope to find one

[Anonymous No.6551144]

>>6551096
Stop starting with the head first. It's the worst place to start and fucks up your proportions. Also you will notice you typically have to redo them anyway.

Keep it up though and try different times for the images. Do some longer studies and do some shorter studies.

[Anonymous No.6551145]

>>6551135
But I have no talent, I dont want to take 20 years to do something like pic related

[Anonymous No.6551163]

>>6551145
Then stop drawing why your way of thinking so weird if you only care about result unironically go use AI. I don't think you will take 20 years for you to learn that either way you not as talentless as you think you learn much faster than me considering I draw 15 years you learn in one year what took me 9 years. You just need to develop motor skill motor skill only brute force.

[Anonymous No.6551170]

Actual serious question. I heard people saying that "doing line art in red is cheating because is looks better. Learn to draw with regular gray/black color first". Is this true or retarded take? Because I've noticed that when I do red lineart it looks much cleaner and better. Could someone please explain this to me?

[Anonymous No.6551173]

>>6551143
Either way I've noticed in life those that keep doing something win in the end.
Persistence is one of the biggest factors, you'll get there.
Wagmi brehs

[Anonymous No.6551180]

>>6551170
Maybe something to do with the contrast not being as harsh?

[Anonymous No.6551185]

>>6551145
Just quit if you seriously feel this way. Holy hell.

[Anonymous No.6551186]

>>6551185
Why?

[Anonymous No.6551189]

>>6551186
go use AI or learn new hobby like writing or play instrument.

[Anonymous No.6551191]

>>6551189
Why? Answer my fucking question.
Why tell me to quit?

[Anonymous No.6551196]

>>6551186>>6551191

Kek, just keep going dude. Keep being a lazy shit and wonder why you have no "natural talent".

It's okay to not make it and draw as a hobby.

[Anonymous No.6551214]

>>6551073
>>6550676
This is my latest. It's not impressive, but with every one I feel like I "get it" more.
There are no shortcuts, but if you're not just doing raw, emotional sketching and getting frustrated with yourself, you're clearly putting too much pressure on yourself for very little payoff.

[Anonymous No.6551217]

>>6551196
Answer the question, I want to be GOOD.

[Anonymous No.6551221]

>>6550620
Blog?

[Anonymous No.6551222]

>>6551191
NTA. Most likely because there is jack shit to explain about it. Either you can find a teacher that will guide you through it or you learn to learn on your own.

[Anonymous No.6551224]

>>6551191
I already answer here
>>6551135
>>6551163
I have little talent too, everyone around me draw faster improve faster. Only thing I learn is to copy, but not really understand. You can improve you just have to accept you might not get it as fast as your peers or maybe you never reach pinnacle of the level you want, but you will improve nevertheless. You have okay talent, but if you only want to get fast good then really drawing not for you cause everyone mileage different. Also just because you not improve fast enough doesn't mean you don't understand. There is understanding and then there is motor skill. Motor skill take time and is low iq physical skill related to copying, understanding is more similar to talent learning faster and is relate to iq and imagination drawing.

[Anonymous No.6551226]

>>6551222
Not 8 months schizo but learning on your own not good unless you are high iq. This because you get tunnel vision and you will start to internalize bad habits in your drawing, and when this happens you don't know right from wrong. This what happen to me and this how you stagnate.

[Anonymous No.6551231]

>>6551217

No you don't. Proof: your dedication.

[Anonymous No.6551233]

>>6551226
All you have to do is get critiques to combat this. Not hard considering where we are....

[Anonymous No.6551235]

>>6551233
Learn on your own implies that you are drawing with self critique, not posting on /ic/ for advice because then you not learning on own your getting critique from an anon.

[Anonymous No.6551237]

>>6551235
I figured they meant "without a teacher to guide you" considering that's what they said.

[Anonymous No.6551238]

>>6551226
Sharing work with others is mandatory, yes. On your own it's easier to ignore that stuff as you said. I doubt there is any person that could git gud without getting someone else to critique their output. However, if you have a teacher, they will give you assignments to follow. If you're working on your own, you end up having to put together your own challenge ideas yourself. Maybe more high IQ, maybe a bit harder/dumber as well.

[Anonymous No.6551245]

>>6551214
>>6551222
>>6551226
>>6551231
I had dedication but after realizing I had no talent I was crushed

[Anonymous No.6551248]

>>6551245
Then you don't love drawing enough. I realize I have no talent after 15 years of drawing but I still do it because I like it I just learn to come to terms with the fact and also start learning other hobbies cause maybe if you cannot become master next best thing you become jack of all trades. Start taking yourself less seriously, my advice.

[Anonymous No.6551249]

>>6551245
So you just let it discourage you instead of motivating you to try even harder? When I realized I didn't have talent it just made me understand I had to work harder than others to achieve the same goal. So I started working harder.

[Anonymous No.6551257]

>>6551245
You sure have a talent for making excuses to not draw. If you really wanted to do more than complain about it, you'd do whatever you have to. And the funny thing is "whatever" is "just draw"

[Anonymous No.6551272]

>>6551248
>>6551249
Ive never been good or improved anything I wasnt already good at, thats how life works, cant fight fate.
>>6551257
I will never be a good artist. A blind man with talent will do more, faster

[Anonymous No.6551277]

>>6549514
Hey guys! Forgive my potato camera. I want to make a modest living drawing coom, am I gmi?

[Anonymous No.6551278]

>>6551272
Ashes and Echoes.

[Anonymous No.6551280]

>>6551277
If you keep grinding for a
Sure. Pick up some color, hit your gestures and figure drawing and result ahould come fast. Coom art has a low bar of entry.

[Anonymous No.6551290]

>>6551272
>Ive never been good or improved anything I wasnt already good at,
lobotomized monkey with down's syndrome and alzheimer's level of retardation

[Anonymous No.6551301]

is wrist drawing really that bad? is it something i should never ever do or is there a proper time and place for it?

[Anonymous No.6551302]

>>6551277
switch to digital

[Anonymous No.6551305]

>>6551301
I've never seen someone recommend drawing with the wrist in any situation

[Anonymous No.6551306]

>>6551272
This is legitimately not true. You obviously learned to read and write better than you did as a fucking baby. You learned to wipe your ass and walk. You aren't incapable of learning or you'd be a drooling retard who still drinks out of a bottle and wears a diaper.

[Anonymous No.6551317]

Absolute beginner and very confused at everything, I made a huge folder with a load of different resources for drawing but have been absolutely overwhelmed by everything and only around ~2 of my drawings are even acceptable. I'm reading through the guides here but was wondering if anyone more experienced had tips for people starting out?

[Anonymous No.6551332]

>>6551317
Study more than drawing itself, because finding yourself in everything, in the uncomfortable, you will also find the inspiration and will to follow through with your goals. Believe in yourself.

[Anonymous No.6551333]

>>6551317
>only around ~2 of my drawings are even acceptable
You got a couple thousand more to go. Get to work

[Anonymous No.6551342]

How do I go about learning to draw like this? I'm guessing study shading a lot. Not sure if this could be called negative space.

[Anonymous No.6551368]

[Anonymous No.6551370]

>>6551306
That doesn't count. Anyone can do that.

[Anonymous No.6551372]

>>6551368
How long have you been drawing?

[Anonymous No.6551382]

>>6551372
A bit over half a year. These are copies and I mostly do monkey see, monkey do whenever I'm too tired for normal studies. Anything from imagination would be atrocious.

[Anonymous No.6551401]

>>6551382
HALF A YEAR????? HALF A FUCKING YEAR?

[Anonymous No.6551407]

>>6551382
POST IMAGINATION??? HALF A FUCKING YEAR SO SIX FUCKING MONTHS
WHY ARE YIU BETTER THAN ME AT ONE YEAR?????

[Anonymous No.6551428]

>>6551401
>>6551407
>POST IMAGINATION???
I only did it at the very beginning to warm up. Now I just do cubes or gestures for that. They (imagination drawings) are really not good at all.
Now it's been maybe 7 months. I think you are mistaking good source material for whatever else you think. Even shittily copied good drawing won't look half bad.

[Anonymous No.6551437]

>>6551428
Fuck off, why are you better than me? What gives you the right?
Id rape and kill you fucker

[Anonymous No.6551441]

>>6551370
So then be honest and say what you mean. You can learn things and you have before. You graduated school I assume. It's not that you can't learn it's that it's taking longer than you want and you are upsetti about it.

[Anonymous No.6551449]

>>6551441
Because of fucking course I'd be mad.
This person
>>6551368
Has been drawing for the same time as me when I was at 7 months, he's years ahead in progress

TALENT
to draw like a pro, if possible, would require me to live past 200, a blind artist learning without seeinf but full of talent, genetic talent would be a better artist

[Anonymous No.6551452]

>>6551382
Post a copy of a non anime style drawing. A figure drawing perhaps?

[Anonymous No.6551453]

what do you think of these etchings i produced

[Anonymous No.6551457]

[Anonymous No.6551460]

>>6551452
From a photo.

[Anonymous No.6551463]

>>6551460
Honestly you seem to be at the normal skill level for half a year of drawing. Idk why the schizo was overreacting. Anime copies are insanely easy to do.

[Anonymous No.6551474]

>>6551463
How below average am I anon? Why? Is it really no talent?
>>6551460
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.6551477]

WHY IS HE FUCKING BETTER? WHY WHY WHY WHY
I WANT TO RAPE HIM I WANT TO KILL HIM

[Anonymous No.6551480]

>>6551474
What do you even study? How long have you been drawing? I can already tell your problem is likely lack of observation/accuracy studying

[Anonymous No.6551484]

>>6551477
female-brained

[Anonymous No.6551500]

>>6551480
Fuck you, I did my grinding, loomis, dorian, perspective made easy, drawafuclingbox, dynamic sketching, keys to drawing, MANY MORE

NOTHING WORKED

NICE FUCKING TALENT
>>6551460

Ill rape your children

[Anonymous No.6551502]

>>6551342
what about it do you want to imitate? it looks like stylized shadow shapes, with some midtones here and there from (intentionally) messy hatching. look up chiaroscuro, notan and posterization to find some stuff you might find interesting.

if you practice traditional figure drawing, learning how to divide the light and dark sides by drawing the shadow shapes by drawing the terminator is something you will learn early on but instantly improves your work if you didn't know about it already. you can achieve effects like that with photoshop posterization in black and white, and by using filters (picrel, 4ish values), which seperate the image into value zones for you. don't use it as a crutch but it can be a useful tool for training.

[Anonymous No.6551505]

>>6551500
Okay so you don't know how to learn then. Read "how to read a book" and go reread all the art books again (redo all the drawings too)

[Anonymous No.6551506]

>>6551342
>>6551502
learn about the various parts of light and shadow zones if you haven't already. you can see that the midtones will tend to be form shadow, indicating the turning of the form, or areas on the shadow side illuminated by lesser, indirect or fill lighting.

[Anonymous No.6551510]

>>6551502
>what about it do you want to imitate?
Using rough hatching with a single color to draw an image's shadow and letting the white canvas complement, representing the light source.

[Anonymous No.6551516]

>>6551510
looking at it again, they might actually be using markers and/or brush pens. just draw the shadow shapes and terminators, then do scribbly hatching like a drug addict who's late on rent to fill in the midtones. pretend you're wearing a wrist brace to do the big, arcing hair curves, like your girlfriend's pimp broke your wrist.

[Anonymous No.6551521]

>>6551505
Ill rape you

[Anonymous No.6551526]

>>6551449
Of fucking course other people can do things better than you. Are you just realizing this now? This isn't anything to get upset over that's literally just life. For every single thing you do there will be someone better than you and you will never be the best at anything. Maybe what you really need is to grow up and face reality instead of crying about how life isn't fair. Ether that or buck up and work harder and actually accomplish something. The choice is yours alone.

[Anonymous No.6551530]

>>6551301

I only draw with my wrist. Im this guy:

>>6550810

[Anonymous No.6551532]

>>6551526
HE WILL BE A PRO IN 2 YEARS, IT WILL TAKE ME HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHA A FUCKING DECADE

A FUCKING

DECADE
FUCKING TEN FUCKING YEARS FUCK


TO MAYBE BE DECENT
WHY BITHER WHEN HE HE HE HE HE HE WILL BE BETTER IN 2 FUCKING YEARS????!?!?!


I WANT TO RAPE AND KILL SOMEONE
I AM FIRE

[Anonymous No.6551540]

>>6551532
The fuck are you doing here if you’re not going to put in the work? Find another board for your schizo bullshit. Go make a howie thread for yourself and your pity party.

[Anonymous No.6551545]

>>6551540
SO YOU HAVE NO ANSWER?

So you have no answer then? Answer and don't call me a schizo.

Why bother if it will take me 20 fucking years to do what he can in 2? Why? Literally nothing can be done.

[Anonymous No.6551551]

[Anonymous No.6551552]

>>6551545
Don’t. Don’t bother. Stop drawing, go do something useful with your life. If it’s that hard it is not for you. Maybe in the next life you’ll be born with a crumble of talent and not need to beg for attention on the internet.

[Anonymous No.6551553]

>>6551552
Why? Why can't I? Tell me, I want to knowm

[Anonymous No.6551558]

>>6551532
Welcome to life zoomer. There will always be someone better than you who will be able to do what you did but younger and with less work. Literally grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.6551563]

>>6550402
if you want milder skill curve try out art and science of drawing or drawing for the utter beginner. But you need to accept the idea that your first X drawings will be all sort of bad and that there is no other way but to keep outputting crap before your crap gets a less crappy.

[Anonymous No.6551602]

>>6551558
Why bother? Publishing my first comic after 20 years of lesrning to draw at an ok level, since I have no talent while that abon can be a pro in 2? Why bother

The right psth is murdering that anon or someone as talented and killing myself trade one for one
>>6551563
Peak scan guide, threehere I tried
Keys to Drawing
BRETT video course
Drawing on the right side of the brain

NOTHING WORKED

[Anonymous No.6551623]

>>6551602
So the real reason you want to draw is not to get good or because you like it, but because you want to make a good product. If so just hire person do drawing for you and you do writing.

[Anonymous No.6551628]

>>6551602
How the hell do I know why you want to do art? Because you want to get better at it? Because you enjoy it? Because you would like to be able to express your ideas in other ways beyond words?
How the fuck should I know why you want to do art?

Personally I enjoy it and want to get better at it throughout my entire life which is why I do it.

[Anonymous No.6551665]

>>6551506
>learn about the various parts of light and shadow zones
zones is garbage way it think about it.

[Anonymous No.6551675]

>>6551602
Bro, if this dude(pic related) can muster the guts to publish on amazon, regardless of whether it sells or not, there is still hope.

The biggest hurdle, if you care to know my take on it, is getting over your inability to believe in yourself and the second one is making /ic/ your go to place for feedback. This place is a perpetual crab trap which will give you nothing but regret.

I said it before, you are better off leaving this cesspool for good.

[Anonymous No.6551684]

>>6551332
Thank you internet man!

[Anonymous No.6551686]

>>6551333
I'll have to

[Anonymous No.6551691]

Any critique? Gonna put some more detail later just wanna know if there is anything wrong with it right now,

[Anonymous No.6551694]

>>6551691
Looks good. Pose is a bit even though. You could vary up the sway and distributions of the tails, etc.

[Anonymous No.6551695]

Im doing all of bridgmans complete guide to drawing from life(except the heads because loomis is better). Then im going to do his constructive anatomy book (which seems like a summary of the drawing from life book), except I'm going to do all the drawings from imagination after examining them first instead of purely from reference like Im doing with the drawing from life book. Sounds based or cringe as a way to learn anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6551697]

>>6551665
kek. use whatever word tickles your little brown noodle, permabeg.

[Anonymous No.6551699]

>>6551675
Look, I want to fo something good. I LOVE ART.
My favorite painters, mangakas, photographers, directors, I want to do art.
But when I see the qualiry if my fucking year, I KNOW I'll never ever do it, I'm 22 in learning terms I am ancient, Im not even talented so guess what, means I am even more hopeless , fuck. Please have empathy.
At the current progress I'll be 40 when I draw like pic related, I unironically play russian roulette and would be better off with 6 full if that's the case.

Of what use is to be a mediocre artist at 40? It's like inspiring and pushing a small no name no silverware team like say, FUCKING japan or Estonia, telling them that they will WIN the World Cup, surely the big teams do it all the time.

A literal century would paas and those two simply don't have the talent, they will never win it.

[Anonymous No.6551726]

if i do 10 gesture drawings everyday for a year will i be /int/ by then?

i wanna be like this guy in the op image >>6524149

[Anonymous No.6551731]

>>6551726
as long as you are doing some fundamental studies along with those figure drawings.

[Anonymous No.6551733]

>>6551699
Then be art director, you don't need art skill to be director only taste to hire right artist. Just hire people to complete your vision.

[Anonymous No.6551742]

>>6551602
Is the only reason you want to draw to make money off a comic?

[Anonymous No.6551756]

>>6551742
Not make money, make something truly great, self expression.
>>6551733
Yeah I dont have nepotism to be that
I have to do everything alone

[Anonymous No.6551761]

>>6551756
Well if you get a good paying job you can pay someone to be an illustrator for an indie comic. Or if you want to learn photography that is faster to learn than drawing just do that.

[Anonymous No.6551763]

>>6551114
>No such thing as talent.
Talent definitely exists but can be overcome with effort to gain skill.

[Anonymous No.6551790]

>>6551763
Nope, talent is the end and that's it.
Again, a blind from birth man with enough talent for drawing will be an artist before I am.
>>6551761
No, I want to be good at drawing.

[Anonymous No.6551808]

Working on pinups.
>>6551551
I like the idea, and I’d like to see the finished product.

[Anonymous No.6551822]

I don't get the 8 months schizo, they sure put a lot of effort into whining. There are better ways to cope because how you're acting right now is retarded, you're like a kid throwing a tantrum in hopes that you will get what you want, but you won't. You have to swallow your ego and pride, have faith, and do the work. You complain a lot about talent and how you lack it and cannot do art, yet you still are here and complain when people tell you to stop. That's the logical conclusion of your thought process: you quit. The best way to change this is to do some simple exercises beneficial to you when you're angry drawing. You also need to develop a proper inner critic rather than relying on others so hard. Make sure you are familiar with the various fundamentals of art and don't laser focus on one without knowing a. It about the others otherwise you might struggle to have some things make sense in context. When have you ever last drawn?

[Anonymous No.6551827]

>>6551822
Doodles? Today
Drawings? Early 2022, maybe

But im right about talent, I should be better

[Anonymous No.6551832]

>>6551827
The problem isn't whether you're right or wrong about talent, it's that you continue to whine about something that so out of your control rather than how you can better adjust your technique despite whatever it is you believe. You are whining about something that if true is not going to change.
Do you have a sense of direction? Not necessarily the art you want to make though that is part of it. I've felt like you and when I've really thought about it I realized maybe I don't fully get where I'm going to achieve my goal.
One thing to do is to analyze the styles you like and focus on the fundamentals prominent in them.
Most importantly understand the purpose behind everything you do. You will improve much faster if you are mindful. Quality over quantity. Lastly please destroy your annoying inner critical voice, no one wants to hear it and if there's any force stopping you from getting good, it's that one.

[Anonymous No.6551864]

>>6551832
Someone is either good or not, there's no styles. You're either good or not, I want to be good ane i want to be good in a reasonable tiemframe or I chimp out IRL.

[Anonymous No.6551891]

Could you guys give me a critique on these designs? This was a reference sheet for the 3D model's head, which I'm currently working on. Yes they're each based on a real world breed.

[Anonymous No.6551895]

Kneel, because your CEO arrived! I hope you like yuri.

>>6551808
thumbs up
>>6551726
if all you will do is gesture grind then most likely no. BUT if you will do gesture grind AND something more every day, you will improve.
>>6551699
average life length is like 70. So that leaves you with 3 decades worth of masterpieces. Less whining, more drawing!
>>6551695
sounds more like plan to learn figure drawing to me. Which is based.
>>6551602
i see an attempt at construction of face from reference. And it doesnt even look wrong. You are probably better than you give yourself credit for. Less schizoposting, more drawing anon. You can do it. Heck even from that one pic i can already tell you have done it. Ignore your doubts and keep going
>>6551551
thumbs up for idea. thumbs down for fucking up form with that puzzle texture. Remember your BEG training anon. Cross contours. On curved surface like a hand there will never be completely straight line. The puzzle edges need to bend to imply cylinder form
>>6551453
idk what etching is but your pic is good
>>6551342
learn how to shade, then shade picture limited only in 2 values (black and white) and as finish remove outline contours
>>6551317
1. keys to drawing, 2. draw every day, 3. PYW every day
>>6551301
i use wrist like 50% of the time, 45% elbow and 5% shoulder for very awkward lines like horizontal long lines. 4/5 beg books tells you to find what works for you, 1/5 books said shoulder and overhand grip only, but it also said to draw standing on tilted canvas of size A2 so yeah.
>>6551277
looks promising but nothing certain yet
>>6551043
that is respectable beg head. Less whining more drawing!
>>6550855
very good, form, textures, shading, soul, it has it all
>>6550760
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/102
>>6550659
in the age of internet there isnt a single thing you cannot learn on your own at home. But still school is good for motivation, friends, connections, sex and reason to go outside + diploma

[Anonymous No.6551904]

>>6551731
>>6551895
>as long as you are doing some fundamental studies
>gesture grind AND something more every day
well, what else should i do?

[Anonymous No.6551916]

>>6551864
>There are no styles
So you just want to draw realism all day? It's the most accurate to reality which all art partly has a basis in. Plus it's clear with your skill in art and your thought processes you really cannot make that judgement. Stop being so stupid and enjoy art.

[Anonymous No.6551921]

>>6551891
i know jack shit about cartoons or character design, but my CEO beg eye sees that you have severe case of same_face across all of these. I understand that you can differentiate characters just by different color and hairstyle but IMHO that is very lazy thing to do only the most brain dead uninspired anime shows do.

For example look at the shape of the nose. Its copy pasted. Same for length of snout. Or cheek bones. Or distance or shape of eyes. If i were to design cow furry, first thing i would do is study how actual cows look like and how they differ from each other.

Alternatively embrace the cartoon. Look at simpsons. They are omega simple yet there are DRASTIC differences between characters done by simply completely different shapes for eyes, mouth and nose.

>>6551904
for now i am simply following whatever the books tell me to draw. And its very varied. Even the nicolaides book where you have to grind 100 gestures per 3 hour schedule was making me do wild shit from blind contour to studying anatomy by drawing bones from anatomy atlas into my figures or drawing detailed head in water colors.

Just draw (varied stuff, not "just" gestures)

[Anonymous No.6551927]

>>6551170
It's a retarded take. It doesn't actually look better. Red is harder to see with a white background and thus it's harder to notice mistakes.

Anyways, It doesn't really matter that much. Draw with whatever line art color you want.

[Anonymous No.6551930]

>>6551927
For more clarification, refer to this image:

It's all about contrast, a very saturated red has a higher value than a pure black one and thus is harder it's harder to see against a white background.

[Anonymous No.6551955]

[Anonymous No.6551956]

>>6551916
>>6551895
I have tried many things that work for everyone but not for me
Keys to drawing? Scam
Dynamic sketching? Scam
Loomis? Scam
Many more

Nothubg worked, I cant learn because I have no talent
Nothing worked on me, NOTHINg

[Anonymous No.6551958]

>>6550852
>Please resize your images.
>I'd do it without measuring first and then see where you went wroing by looking at the angles etc.
>This trains you to not just copy but think about how the shapes are related to each other in 3d instead of measuring 2d points.
I don't know how to do that

[Anonymous No.6551963]

[Anonymous No.6551964]

[Anonymous No.6551975]

>>6551963
>>6551964
I don't recommend using the Reily method to construct a human head from scratch.

I suggest Constructing the heads with the Loomis method or something equally simple and doing corrections with the Reily method.

It's easier to achieve the likeness of someone that way.

[Anonymous No.6551980]

>>6551963
>>6551964
crop your shit lil bro

[Anonymous No.6551984]

>>6551956
Tell us what you learned from these people then. If the answer is nothing you need to learn to be more patient in your learning.

[Anonymous No.6551991]

Think I did a bit better this time.

[Anonymous No.6551998]

[Anonymous No.6552020]

>>6551956
I think it's funny that there are people that draw worse than you, but have a better attitude about it. More likely to succeed.

/beg/s take note! It doesn't matter where you start, it matters if you can learn from your mistakes and improve.

[Anonymous No.6552021]

>>6551991
You're getting there. You drew the ribcage too much like she's standing straight, push the top of the ribs and the shoulders forward more.

[Anonymous No.6552026]

>>6551984
I didnt have the talent, thats what i learned.
>>6552020
Theres no one worse rhan me, everyone else here is talented, I am ics worst artist

[Anonymous No.6552030]

>>6552026
>>6552020
>>6551984

Find me somone who draws worse than me here, no such thing

[Anonymous No.6552041]

>>6551382
Your accuracy and markmaking is very impressive. Try re-creating some of these studies from memory and correct your mistakes after, that's a good way to start training your ability to invent and compose i.e. imagine

[Anonymous No.6552044]

>>6551500
>he fell for the /beg/ traps
>fucking drawabox
L M A O

[Anonymous No.6552050]

>>6551695
I'm pretty sure constructive anatomy is just the first part of Complete Guide. Sounds good! Pick up morpho, hampton, or stonehouse to help you learn anatomy as well. Sounds like you're doing the finch guide.

[Anonymous No.6552051]

>>6552030
>>6546127

[Anonymous No.6552054]

>>6551956
... the ones on the right look fine, good even. Stop freaking out.

[Anonymous No.6552060]

>>6552030
Drawing faces from photo ref is hard. Do some studies of simple head construction by character artists you admire. Get the big shapes right first, then give them form by identifying the front plane, work from big to small. Fix your inaccuracies. Then hide the layer and do it from memory. Do this every day.

[Anonymous No.6552061]

>>6552041
Youve got flowers for him but for me?? Jackshit
Because Ive never had talent

[Anonymous No.6552065]

>>6552060
Wouldnt need that if I had natural talent, fuck you.
I show no spark, im not
>>6551368


THATS WHAT HE DID IN 6 FUCKING MONTHS? ME? PIC RELATED

[Anonymous No.6552066]

>>6552065
Draw something new or shut up, you loser. If you're gonna be a moron about it, then stop at least annoying the /beg/s that are actually putting in the work.

[Anonymous No.6552077]

>>6551998
This looks great, nice stuff anon. Make the fingers thicker and a bit more rounded tho, they're too spindly.

[Anonymous No.6552079]

>>6551540
He's one of the thread regulars. He's been schizoposting about his lack of talent for a few years now, I think.
To his credit, he hasn't actually given up, despite constantly threatening it. He's even gotten a bit better, though it's obviously slow going.

[Anonymous No.6552089]

>>6551895

[Anonymous No.6552099]

Why doesn't this thing work?

[Anonymous No.6552112]

>>6552065
He... literally told you how to improve, and you just rejected it.
>how do I get stronger?
>lift weights and eat protein
>NOOOOOO I WANT TO BECOME THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING A WEIGHT I DID 3 PUSHUPS A YEAR AGO AND I STILL CAN'T BENCH 3PL8 ITS OVER FOR ME NOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.6552113]

>>6552026
>>6552030
>I didn't learn anything except I hate muh self
Reread it again then. You let your self hate distract you from your goal and that is why you fail.
There also are plenty of beginner artists you're better than here.
Here's what you should do:
>get off ic
>find resources that appeal to your sense of learning
>get a basic grasp of all fundamentals
>understand then grind each one
>have faith and patience
>ignore and tame your self hate
>Do beneficial exercises when angry or bad drawing day
>results
If you refuse to do this, you are baiting or do genuinely not want to get better and it unironically will take you a decade because you refuse to apply yourself.

[Anonymous No.6552148]

>>6552099
Spare yourself the headache and avoid applying linear perspective to figures.

[Anonymous No.6552214]

>>6552099
https://youtu.be/Ub19UehR8rc

[Anonymous No.6552222]

NEW THREAD
>>6552221
>>6552221
>>6552221

[Anonymous No.6552325]

is there a loomis pdf that's not fucked up from awful ocr? Or is he writing like this on purpose because of some kinda joke I don't get

[Anonymous No.6552404]

>>6552112
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.6552619]

>>6550810
Blog? I really really like your art style

[Anonymous No.6552629]

>>6550858
>>6552619
Nvm I found it, will follow! Good shit man!

[Anonymous No.6553287]

>>6550575
Very nice. Your values are great. Do you use photoshop to paint? I've been searching for good textured brushes like the ones you used here but I can't seem to find any good ones. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.6553703]

>>6550Repin study on procreate

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