/msg/ - Master Studies General

[Anonymous No.6541744]

This thread is dedicated to master studies, where you copy artwork you admire as a form of study. They are the quickest way to improve and learn about any fundamental you are having problems with. If you need to work on your hands, copy hands from other artists, and if you're having trouble with rendering, make careful studies of paintings with lighting you admire. Studies can be quick or long. You can even copy anatomy books like Bridgman, Morpho, and Hogarth. The type of studies you want to do depend on your personal goals and the types of problems you are grappling with. The point is to study what you are interested in!!

Artists of all levels are welcome. Critiques and redlines are encouraged.

Recommended watching:
https://youtu.be/YVAtRojlCS8
https://youtu.be/ni30Hp72aeY
https://youtu.be/7ukExmlSRWU

"Practice what you LIKE!" Philosophy:
https://youtu.be/rPovnp3Dly4

Images:
https://setteidreams.net/settei/
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post
https://mangakatana.com/
https://animationscreencaps.com/
https://artsandculture.google.com/explore
https://artvee.com/
https://collections.louvre.fr/en/
artbook thread: >>>/ic/artbook

Previous thread: >>6465666

[Anonymous No.6541816]

I'm deep in the copying Bridgman cult, about halfway done my first go-through. What powers can I expect when I finish?

[Anonymous No.6541821]

>>6541816
By the end of the first pass, your observation will be much better. By the end of the second pass, when you draw figures, your pencil will move by itself, instinctively knowing where everything goes.

[Anonymous No.6542095]

Ohayou Gozaimas

[Anonymous No.6543459]

didn't get anything good today. Tomorrow's another day!

[Anonymous No.6543786]

>>6543459
Gotta push through the slumps to get to the peaks!

[Anonymous No.6543892]

>>6541744
>and if you're having trouble with rendering, make careful studies of paintings with lighting you admire.
so, do i just copy the drawings(not tracing) until i "get it" while trying to understand what's happening ? also any recommendations for art that has good rendering ?

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[Anonymous No.6544825]

>>6543459
>>6541816
Fuck off back to /asg/ you attention seeking faggots

[Anonymous No.6545790]

Left is a memory drawing, right is the corrections

>>6543786
>>6544822
great job again!

>>6543892
Yup, just keep copying. It's like archery, you have to keep aiming, aiming, and aiming. For rendering, I would start with paintings that have more simple renderings of matte objects, not necessarily a fruit jar like that artist did. From there, you can build up your library of lighting effects. Why not buy an anatomical skull from amazon and paint that? It'll help with portraiture, anatomy, and everything

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[Anonymous No.6545796]

a memory drawing done after the first study

[Anonymous No.6545798]

same as previous

[Anonymous No.6546389]

>>6545796
>>6545798
>>6545790
Those memory drawings are looking really good!

[Anonymous No.6546391]

>>6545790
>>6545792
>>6545793
>>6545796
>>6545798
fuck off retard go back

[Anonymous No.6547555]

>>6546389
thanks! Looks like you're getting into the hands section soon... it'll be tough but worth it!

[Anonymous No.6548131]

>>6547555
I'm looking forward to it

[Anonymous No.6548641]

>>6543892
Darken your darks, you're not pushing enough

[Anonymous No.6549158]

[Anonymous No.6549407]

krenz study 2h, original:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/l9Zmz

went in and started adding small tones way too soon. need to focus on getting larger shapes and tones accurate first.

[Anonymous No.6550155]

I tried copying some bridgman but most of the time I don't even understand what I'm looking at. There's so many lines that don't make sense to me. I don't know if I'm wasting my time

[Anonymous No.6550163]

>>6550155
Did you go through the whole Finch guide? You're supposed to start with basic forms, then memorize the muscle with another anatomy book. Only then, do you copy Bridgman. And yeah, there will be scribbly lines, you'll just have to learn to see where he's scribbling, and where the forms of the muscles are. You'll be able to tell that better if you know the anatomical information beforehand..

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

[Anonymous No.6550170]

>>6550163
Oh I see. I guess I should save bridgman for later when I understand anatomy better. I think I recall other people saying that before
Can I start with Hampton to learn the basic forms?

[Anonymous No.6550190]

>>6550170
>Hampton
Yes!

[Anonymous No.6550206]

>>6550190
Thank you anon!

[Anonymous No.6550407]

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[Anonymous No.6551994]

>>6550902
落書き上手ですね!

[Anonymous No.6551997]

>>6550902
If you out that into google translate it’ll computer wrong lol. I meant it as a compliment

>>6550407
Hope to see you post more

[Anonymous No.6552010]

Why do I suck ass in painting?

[Anonymous No.6552192]

>>6551997
I appreciate that Anon. I used to be a regular in these threads alongside the other bridgeman Anon but fell off on drawing for a second. It’s good to be back

[Anonymous No.6552207]

>>6552010
pyw

[Anonymous No.6552407]

>>6551994
>>6551997
Arigatou!
>>6552192
Welcome back

[Anonymous No.6553544]

Trying something new for the past couple days. Now, I'm just doing 1-2 direct copies, and then drawing various views of the character from imagination. I'm keeping the reference up as I draw from imagination. I find that this method is actually way better than the memory drawing practice, because I'm not memorizing extraneous stuff like 'exactly how many strands of hair are crossing her left eye' or stuff like that. Instead, I'm treating the character like an animator would, as a model sheet from which to create. Doing the imagination work makes me ask questions, and helps me recall and solidify the information in my head, and any time I have questions about how to draw a certain part of the character, I'll just look back at the reference and lightbulbs will come on.

>>6552407
always happy to see you post

[Anonymous No.6553545]

For both of these, the top left drawing was the copy, and the rest were from imagination. This method is also way more fun than the memory drawing, so even if its less "brutal and effective" I think I'm going to stick to this.

Kim Jung Gi talked about a similar exercise, where you draw something from reference, then you draw it from various angles from your imagination. If the Goat likes this exercise, I think it's good for me too. Can't believe it took me this long to realize how easy and effective this was

[Anonymous No.6553886]

>>6553544
Thanks!
>>6553545
If I didn't know any better I'd assume the bottom right was the copy. Amazing job!

[Anonymous No.6553908]

Repin study bout an hour

[Anonymous No.6555137]

>>6553886
Thank you <3 Your studies are looking good again, the sweep of the muscle is musical

>>6553908
Good job capturing the depressing feeling :)

[Anonymous No.6555239]

>>6555137
Thanks!
I think Bridgman fucked up on the bottom left plate, we should be seeing the palm, and the radius should be on the other side of the ulna. What a /beg/

[Anonymous No.6555483]

It’s been long since I’ve been here :) (I am censoring the porm and embarrassing stuff)
>>6543459
Very cute
>>6543786
Bridgmanbro <3

[Anonymous No.6556609]

>>6549407
incredible study. sorry I missed your work

>>6555239
looking good

>>6555483
chaotic composition. I like it.

[Anonymous No.6556726]

>>6549407
did another krenz study today

>>6550170
>>6550407
>>6550902
>>6552407
>>6553886
>>6555239
>>6555483
hampton and bridgman go hand in hand pretty well,
hampton teaches you an approach to drawing with fundamental form and structure explained and simplified and bridgman gives you hundreds of pages of things to practice
(although iirc not too closely? i believe proko or moderndayjames explains in a video that bridgman's drawings were originally on a board for students, not intended for copying, so don't worry about every single line)
anatomy for sculptors is also pretty good
finally, and obviously, figure drawing from life (or video/photo as a best alternative) is also indispensable

>>6553544
>>6553545
shirahama kamome has pretty huge influence from etching/engraving, i.e. rembrandt but in this case probably more closer to old storybook illustrators like lancelot speed
which is to say maybe you're only a step removed from doing an old master study?
(it is a little odd you chose to leave our her hatching though)

[Anonymous No.6556741]

>>6541744
Is it just me, or does this OP image somehow appear to be stretched? Could be the perspective of the lid, or something, I'm not sure myself.

[Anonymous No.6556820]

>>6555483
>>6556609
Thanks!
Another pen down, and this sketchbook is almost full!

[Anonymous No.6556905]

>>6556609
Yeah it used to look even more chaotic…
>>6556726
True Hampton is good for figures
Especially his s, c and straight line technique

[Anonymous No.6557726]

photo study with a painterly approach

[Anonymous No.6558554]

>>6557726
Looks great, I love low brushstroke studies.

[Anonymous No.6560056]

Did two pages today

[Anonymous No.6560058]

>>6560056

[Anonymous No.6560818]

Hands tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6561026]

>>6552207

[Anonymous No.6562051]

Feeling a bit silly, because I'm going back to the memory drawing method. I figured I can just "apply" my studies when I'm making comics. Plus, memory drawings are such a great exercise, I can't give it up. I'm trying a process called "3 + 3", where I do 3 studies, then do each one from memory, in order. This way, I can separate out the memory drawing from the study, and make it slightly more difficult for myself. I'll also have a quota I have to hit every day. I've done it for the past 2 days, and I saw amazing retention. My comic work quality jumped up tremendously, and all the shapes are sticking in my head.

>>6558554
>>6560056
>>6560058
>>6560818
perfect

>>6556741
I didn't stretch it. idk

>>6556726
>which is to say maybe you're only a step removed from doing an old master study?
I really really want to start copying old-timey children's book illustrations. Also, at the beginning of Ponyo, there is a series of illustrations of the sea, with beautiful hatch work. Those images mesmerized me as a kid, and I've been wanting my whole life to copy those. If there are more artists you know of who are good with a "dreamy hatching" style, that would be greatly appreciated

>(it is a little odd you chose to leave our her hatching though)
It's taken me 9 months to be able to bring down my study time from 30+ minutes to only 6-7 minutes per drawing. aka, I'm a slow learner, and I'm slowly understanding her work more and more. The hatching is the thing that attracted me to her work, so I definitely hope to be good enough to understand that soon.

>>6561026
much better than me!

[Anonymous No.6562054]

memory drawing, with a sketch of Agott from imagination

these studies are kinda janky, but at least I'm retaining a lot of the shapes. I know i can construct a proper face if I tried, so I'm just focusing on the visual information of each part

[Anonymous No.6562055]

eyes are much too small on this one

[Anonymous No.6562059]

[Anonymous No.6562145]

Oil. How did I do?

[Anonymous No.6562630]

[Anonymous No.6563321]

Does practice from krenz's lessons that aren't anime drawings belong here?

[Anonymous No.6563325]

>>6563321
sure

[Anonymous No.6563326]

>>6563325

[Anonymous No.6563651]

Boss music.
The rest of the page were such abject failures that I'd be better served by just re-doing them tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.6564559]

Degas painting
although i wasnt trying to copy his style as much because its a bit hard with tempera

[Anonymous No.6565122]

feminine hand drawing practice

[Anonymous No.6565207]

This is going to take a long, long time
But I want to do it right.

[Anonymous No.6566210]

>>6556726
Late reply but thanks anon. I saw what proko and moderndayjames said and I see that it's important to be able to decipher what bridgman puts and not just copy it blindly.

[Anonymous No.6566284]

>>6563651
>>6565207
Glad you’re trying to do it right. Big gains await you

[Anonymous No.6566519]

>>6566284
Inshallah

[Anonymous No.6567074]

>>6562145
Post what you were studying too so people can compare.

[Anonymous No.6567328]

[Anonymous No.6568680]

I feel pretty good about these actually
>>6567328
Beautiful!

[Anonymous No.6568897]

>>6567328
Holy moly ravioli
Nice nice and clear depiction

[Anonymous No.6568905]

>>6568897
Lines*

[Anonymous No.6569119]

>>6568680
Thank you Anon! Means a lot coming from you, your hands are beautiful too! The fact that they’re from imagination is insane

>>6568897
Thank you Anon :)

[Anonymous No.6569639]

>>6569119
Thank you!

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[Anonymous No.6572009]

[Anonymous No.6572033]

Was on vacation for a week. Back in town now

>>6572009
very nice. Do not be afraid to draw the fingers first, and then attach the palm. It's often easier that way.

>>6569783
amazing

[Anonymous No.6572034]

Memory drawing 1

[Anonymous No.6572037]

Memory drawing 2

[Anonymous No.6572038]

Memory drawing 3. This one was done several hours after the other ones. So happy I could still pull off this character

[Anonymous No.6574462]

quick bump

[Anonymous No.6574569]

>>6572034
>>6572037
>>6572038
Your ability to retain is pretty amazing, well done!

[Anonymous No.6575789]

[Anonymous No.6576474]

I filled up my second sketchbook with this one.

[Anonymous No.6577236]

>>6575789
Very nice work.

[Anonymous No.6577545]

>>6575789
Mm marble study
Somehow marble is sexier than skin

[Anonymous No.6578020]

>>6575789
Beautiful

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[Anonymous No.6579111]

[Anonymous No.6579271]

>>6579111
>>6579107
Gorgeous line work, who are you studying?

[Anonymous No.6579303]

>>6579271
Thanks. These are from Evgeniy Kurkov

[Anonymous No.6579316]

>>6579303
I can’t find this person anywhere based on the name alone, do you have links or anything?

[Anonymous No.6579346]

>>6579316
Search for "eвгeний кypкoв cхeмы" or "eвгeний кypкoв aнaтoмия" in yandex. Some stuff can also be found on pinterest on the same requests.

[Anonymous No.6579883]

[Anonymous No.6580280]

>>6579883
Good work Anon. Really loving the strong gesture in those fingers

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[Anonymous No.6581054]

Failed attempt

[Anonymous No.6581482]

>>6580280
Thanks!
>>6581050
>>6581052
>>6581054
Amazing

[Anonymous No.6582032]

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[Anonymous No.6584413]

>>6582032
you have tremendous power in those lines

>>6582806
probably the most difficult part of Bridgman, isn't it?

>>6581050
>>6581052
>>6581054
very beautiful

>>6579107
>>6579111
beautiful lines

[Anonymous No.6584570]

It was difficult for me to differentiate the various figures, due to all the details. It’s impressive how durer managed to pack so much detail into the original wood engraving but still avoid looking like a pollok painting in terms of value and composition.
Review: I think I should have made the background darker

[Anonymous No.6584609]

>>6581050
>>6581052
>>6581054
Gorgeous work Anon, who is the artist?

[Anonymous No.6584656]

>>6584413
Definitely

[Anonymous No.6584658]

>>6584570
How much time did you spent doing this?

[Anonymous No.6584675]

>>6584570
durer's knight is a copper plate engraving.

[Anonymous No.6584705]

>>6584609
Thanks.

Yuming Li

[Anonymous No.6584731]

>>6584570
This is amazing! People on ic never fail to amaze me

[Anonymous No.6584809]

>>6541744
Can studies from pictures still go in this thread?

[Anonymous No.6584922]

>>6584809
Yes of course

[Anonymous No.6585273]

>>6584658
a little less than 100 hours, but i was slow

[Anonymous No.6585286]

>>6584809
>>6584922
yup. this thread is meant to encourage you to study what you're actually interested in. You pick your own masters and influences, and you work from there

[Anonymous No.6585769]

sargent study, its more saturated irl i swear
>>6584570
hats off to you!

[Anonymous No.6585997]

>>6584570
Amazing!

[Anonymous No.6586243]

>>6585769
Gorgeous! Your strokes are so precise, I really love it. So much emotion here too

[Anonymous No.6586460]

>>6557726
study

[Anonymous No.6586500]

>>6586460
fits right in with a jazz lounge

[Anonymous No.6586697]

>>6586460
Oh my god :0

[Anonymous No.6586743]

>>6586460
Very nice presentation with a distinct style. Love the transition to the red background

[Anonymous No.6587432]

>>6585769
took a better photo

[Anonymous No.6587824]

>>6586460
Really beautiful

[Anonymous No.6587913]

>>6586460
It's nice but I don't like the grapes. I had tried painting grapes before and it turned out as so-so as yours. I think light/shadow has to be carefully stylized for these to come out right, but I don't have an example at hand to prove my point.

[Anonymous No.6588664]

>>6587824
>>6588663
anon... I'm always watching...you better not stop!

(good job on the top left hand btw)

[Anonymous No.6588897]

Frederick judd waugh study wip

[Anonymous No.6588978]

>>6588664
I didn't do any today :(
APRIL FOOLS BITCH I DID TWO
Thank you :)

[Anonymous No.6588979]

>>6588978

[Anonymous No.6589723]

>>6588978
>>6588979
good April Fool's joke! those hands look clean!

[Anonymous No.6589730]

>>6588978
>>6588979
Kneeling.

[Anonymous No.6590320]

[Anonymous No.6590326]

>>6590320
Woah nice. Who did you study?

[Anonymous No.6590337]

>>6590326
I don't know. But I can give u the ref

[Anonymous No.6590400]

>>6589723
>>6589730
Thanks!
>>6590320
>>6590337
Awesome!

[Anonymous No.6591599]

[Anonymous No.6591670]

>>6591599
Looking great!

[Anonymous No.6591739]

>>6591670
Thank you Anon, yours are looking great too! I’m loving the one in the middle on the left

[Anonymous No.6592542]

>>6591599
>>6591670
Nice

[Anonymous No.6592619]

[Anonymous No.6592827]

>>6592542
Strong facial expression Anon!

[Anonymous No.6592911]

>>6591739
>>6592542
Thanks!
>>6592619
Great expression

[Anonymous No.6594276]

frederick judd waugh study

[Anonymous No.6594286]

>>6594276
amazing. feels like I'm actually there, experiencing the ocean breeze

[Anonymous No.6594513]

Peleng study

[Anonymous No.6594673]

>>6594276
>>6594513
Amazing command of color and light

[Anonymous No.6594683]

>>6594276
Beautiful work Anon. You plan on selling copies of this? I’d buy in a heartbeat

[Anonymous No.6596266]

[Anonymous No.6596357]

>>6596266
Good work, just work on making those thumbs a bit bigger

[Anonymous No.6597001]

When Vilppu and Bridgman do these illustrations with shorthand hatches/tone how intentional are they? I read >>6589915 and I'm trying to copy the scratches less and try to understand more but I'm confused, where's the light source even coming from in this one? The shading on the muscle mass above the thumb tells me in front but It's also everywhere.

[Anonymous No.6597170]

>>6597001
It seems to me like it’s coming from the front as well, but when copying bridgeman don’t get too caught up in stuff like this. The main goal is to understand how to draw bones/muscles so if you gain something in that regard you’re fine. He has a lot of lines and things you may not understand but just know when you see it and move on accordingly.

Pic rel. is my attempt at the hand as I’m copying bridgeman as well. Make sure to draw everything you see. As for your drawing, it looks rushed and unfinished. If you’re going to copy it, copy it thoroughly. Hatch the thumb nail, add some knuckles, add some overlaps, etc. Analyze what bridgeman is doing way more than you currently are.

[Anonymous No.6597277]

>>6597170
Nice forms. you're right, I've been getting lazy with my copies. I just remembered that Vilppu uses tone to show which planes are receding away which is why the light is in the front. I will do better bridgman senpai.

[Anonymous No.6597280]

Sketches from Obata’s Platinum End

>>6597170
>>6597277
Good crit and fix!

>>6596266
I like the flow of the bottom memory drawing!

>>6594276
>>6594513
Amazing

[Anonymous No.6597466]

>>6597277
This is much better Anon, good work.

[Anonymous No.6597661]

>>6596357
>>6597280
Thanks!

Cool to see so many bridgchads itt

[Anonymous No.6597823]

[Anonymous No.6597915]

>>6597280
Very good work Anon. Top left is my favorite, I love the way you drew your terminator lines

[Anonymous No.6598436]

>>6597915
thanks fren <3

>>6597661
>>6597823
一生懸命勉強しました!

[Anonymous No.6598804]

>>6598436
The expressions are coming along nicely!

[Anonymous No.6599603]

>>6598804
Looking solid

[Anonymous No.6599638]

how long have you people been drawing?

[Anonymous No.6599745]

Quick sketches. Dunno if doing these are useful or not, but it was fun

>>6599638
7 years :( I should be a lot better by now

[Anonymous No.6600070]

>>6599638
I started taking it seriously in january 2022

[Anonymous No.6600221]

>>6599638
Drew a lot as a kid, so I’d say I started at around 5 or so. Took a massive hiatus since I got more into vidya and less into drawing and got back into it seriously around 2018 as a junior in high school.

[Anonymous No.6600224]

>>6599745
There are people that have been drawing just as long and aren’t half as good as you are Anon. Your drawings are great for how long you’ve been in the game, don’t worry <3

[Anonymous No.6601456]

Rough sketches. Lots of the eyes are crooked, but I’m feeling sleepy

>>6600224
Thank you, you’re too kind <3 <3

>>6600070
I’ll be forever amazed at your fast improvement

[Anonymous No.6601617]

>>6601456
Thank you! I had a good drawing day today, felt good about these memory drawings. Even your rough sketches are capturing the emotion and story behind the characters.

[Anonymous No.6602432]

So how do I study these anatomy books? Do I need to use guidelines? Can I just eyeball and aim for accuracy?

[Anonymous No.6602453]

>>6597001
>but It's also everywhere.
light diffuses

[Anonymous No.6602466]

>>6602432
I block in basic forms / shapes, then lighten it with a kneaded eraser and draw over it, adding more detail. I pay attention to vertical and horizontal alignments, and I want it to be as accurate as possible, while also being able to feel the form. But at the end of the day, you want to be able to eyeball it and still get it accurate. Think of it as rifle practice, trying to hit bullseye

I would watch the David Finch study streams, if I were you. (in the op)

>>6601617
deservedly! You got past the difficult hand diagrams and now the shapes of your hands look great

[Anonymous No.6602857]

>>6602466
Thank you! Lovely crosshatching btw

[Anonymous No.6603392]

>>6602432
Aim to find patterns in the way the artists draw things, especially things you struggle with. Also knowing what elements of their art you like so that you can incorporate it into your own.

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[Anonymous No.6605676]

>>6602857
>>6604439
very nice, again

[Anonymous No.6605747]

>>6541744
Im trying to study and mimic an artist I like but the proportions are always wrong even with measuring. Wtf do I do. Should I just ignore it and move on?

[Anonymous No.6605826]

>>6605676
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.6606190]

>>6605747
Post your work as well as the artist

[Anonymous No.6606941]

>>6606190
Why tf would I do that?

[Anonymous No.6606970]

>>6541744
Does recreating a b&w photo count?

[Anonymous No.6607002]

>>6606970
you can post that here, but try to find artists to copy, because the work of simplification has been done for you.

[Anonymous No.6607097]

https://youtu.be/NRjwG1Ru7N8

Thought this was a cool video...

>>6605826
nice rugged hands, reminds me of when Hogarth compared gnarled hands to tree roots / branches

[Anonymous No.6607506]

>>6607097
Thanks, I really like hands like that. Love to see some Mignola!

[Anonymous No.6607579]

frank benson copy wip

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[Anonymous No.6607715]

>>6606941
So we can critique your work compared to it? Duh

[Anonymous No.6607873]

[Anonymous No.6607983]

>>6565122
this is really nice, anon

[Anonymous No.6608740]

>>6607506
thanks. no study today, but I'll try to do more lighting studies tomorrow, (or the day after tomorrow)

for this page, I feel like you could slow down a bit. It seems like you're rushing a bit. (though I'm not one to criticize, i have rushed studies all the time)

>>6607711
>>6607873
powerful lines, and very accurate. I'm looking forward to seeing your memory drawings on the second pass, if you're going to do that

>>6607579
beautiful, as always

[Anonymous No.6608985]

>>6608740
Thank you for your kind words Anon. My lines have been what people compliment the most lol.

I’m most definitely doing the imagination run, as drawing from imagination has been a massive weakness of mine for a while. I’m very excited to reach that point

[Anonymous No.6608986]

>>6607579
Gorgeous, I love the colors.

[Anonymous No.6609061]

>>6607715
I already know its off. I want to improve accuracy.

[Anonymous No.6609074]

>>6608740
Yeah, I've been rushing lately. Committing to one page a day means sometimes I end up opting for a shitty study rather than no study, but I'll revisit Bridgman lots. Hopefully things calm down and I can commit more uninterrupted time!

[Anonymous No.6609095]

>>6609061
Dude okay. Still post something

[Anonymous No.6609111]

>>6609095
No. Fuck off if youre not going to help. Clearly youve been stalking me to see what I post. I know your tricks 4chan admin. I will not fall for them.

[Anonymous No.6609137]

Does anyone have any gouache-specific artists I could check out for landscape painting? I've been working off of a few master studies from Savrasov and Shishkin for painting, but I also wanted to look through artists who actively work within the same type of medium i do for plein air.

[Anonymous No.6609176]

>>6609111

[Anonymous No.6609180]

>>6609137
Gurney

[Anonymous No.6609290]

>>6609137
seconding >>6609180
gurney is everything i want to be

[Anonymous No.6610530]

[Anonymous No.6610783]

Hadn't really thought of /msg/ as a place to post my Bridgman shit but God damn is this thread full of it.

[Anonymous No.6611014]

>>6610783

[Anonymous No.6612114]

[Anonymous No.6613282]

>>6610783
>>6611014
great work! Looking forward to more!

>>6610530
Those thumbs look great

[Anonymous No.6613635]

>>6613282
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6613823]

[Anonymous No.6613825]

>>6611014

[Anonymous No.6613829]

>>6613825

[Anonymous No.6614012]

>>6613829

[Anonymous No.6614025]

>>6614012
Really a fan of this one. I love the way you draw the arms and legs

[Anonymous No.6614029]

>>6614025
It's just me copying Bridgman

[Anonymous No.6614036]

>>6614025
Just copying Bridgman

[Anonymous No.6614050]

>>6614036
Lol I know Anon I’m just saying

[Anonymous No.6614199]

[Anonymous No.6614658]

>>6614012

[Anonymous No.6614771]

[Anonymous No.6616464]

>>6614658
Dead general

[Anonymous No.6616582]

>>6616464
Not dead, I'm still here.

[Anonymous No.6616830]

Sorry for my mia. (if anyone missed me at all lol) I'm just so into making my comic pages, I couldn't find time for studies. I'm really happy with where my art is currently at, mostly because of the volume of studies I did this past year.

>>6609074
>>6610783
>>6611014
>>6612114
>>6613635
>>6613823
>>6613825
>>6613829
>>6614012
>>6614199
>>6614658
>>6614771
>>6616464
Amazing Bridgman Grind!

>>6616464
>>6614658
one piece of advice: spend more time on your studies. Do them over and over again until you can get them looking EXACTLY like Bridgmans' drawings. Your measurements are off here and there

[Anonymous No.6616831]

[Anonymous No.6616832]

[Anonymous No.6616943]

>>6616830
>get them looking EXACTLY
Man. Here's another one I did while unfocused and I got told
>Try not to be a perfectionist with bridgeman there are way too many drawings for that
That said wait what exactly am I supposed to be measuring? I don't really measure other than to make sure the leg length is close to or a bit longer than upper body length.

[Anonymous No.6616969]

>>6616943
Lol I’m the Anon that gave you the advice about perfectionism.

What I mean is, similar to what the other Anon said, take your time doing your drawings. Measure them and try to make them as accurate as possible and add as many details until it looks like bridgmans drawing. What I recommend against, however, is erasing one body part over and over to make it look like bridgmans, erasing an entire drawing to make it more accurate, planning and then erasing the plan because it may be imperfect..that sort of thing. My point still remains that there are a lot of drawings to copy so don’t stress over one, just make them as accurate as you can. Hopefully you can find a balance between the two

[Anonymous No.6616972]

>>6616943
Also what you’re supposed to be measuring is proportions using the 8 head figure and all

[Anonymous No.6616989]

>>6616830
I missed you!

[Anonymous No.6616991]

>>6616989
Those hands look strong and thorough Anon, nice work.

[Anonymous No.6616994]

>>6616464
>222 replies
>Dead general

[Anonymous No.6617005]

>>6616994
>since the beginning of march

[Anonymous No.6617008]

>>6617005
Doesn’t matter if it’s the beginning of March last year. A 222 reply thread isn’t “dead” dumbass

[Anonymous No.6617013]

>>6616830
Loving the shapes on those legs Anon!

[Anonymous No.6617214]

[Anonymous No.6617451]

>>6616989
aw, tyy boo boo, but I'd miss you more if you stopped posting, given how consistent you are, and how close you are to finishing Bridgman. Great hands btw!

>>6617013
thank you!

>>6617214
watch your proportions, anon. pelvis is too small, and head is too big. Rib Cage tapers too sharply. Legs on the bottom right look good though!

[Anonymous No.6617452]

just gestures

[Anonymous No.6617470]

>>6617451
>>6617452
Lively

[Anonymous No.6617481]

>>6617470
thank you <3 these are from Tsukasa Hojo. his figures are beautiful

[Anonymous No.6618435]

>>6617451
Man, bodies interacting is so hard, these look great!

[Anonymous No.6619481]

rkgk

>>6618435
thank you <3

[Anonymous No.6619484]

[Anonymous No.6620100]

>>6619481
>>6619484
You do such a good job with the shoulder area, its shapes, and drawing it from different perspectives . It’s one of the things I most admire about a lot of Japanese artZ That’s my biggest struggle area so I’m jealous lol

[Anonymous No.6620296]

[Anonymous No.6621557]

>>6617214
Been doing "How to draw comics the marvel way" but here's a quick Bridgman.

[Anonymous No.6621633]

[Anonymous No.6623214]

>>6621633
wow, I thought you skipped a night, because I didn't see your usual dark image, but turns out this was you! I like the bright image! (also, good drawings, nothing to criticize)

>>6621557
very nice. much better than what you had posted before! Don't feel pressured to rush to Bridgman before you're ready; take your time with basic forms / anatomy if you need to

>>6620100
thank you, you're so kind

[Anonymous No.6623706]

>>6623214
Thanks, I guess this is the new era!

[Anonymous No.6624891]

[Anonymous No.6624976]

>>6597001
Its less shasing moreso AO.

Whatever is turned away from the viewer is going to have slight shading on it, because whatever is facing the viewer reflects light directly into their eyes, whereas the other parts direct less. This is something that happens irl once you notice it.

[Anonymous No.6625050]

[Anonymous No.6625307]

Well laddies I tried posting on /beg/ but I got 0 feedback.
I'm struggling with blending pastels, not sure what value should I insert fist since I've mostly worked with colour pencils and there you insert the darkest value but now I find myself blocking the image with that method.
Should I start with the mid-tones or the lightest value and start blending from there?
Any other critiques willkommen
Here's me ref >>6618014

[Anonymous No.6625945]

Croquis

>>6623706
>>6624891
Keep up the great work! The rest of the book should go very smoothly for you

>>6625050
very good, anon. That bottom drawing is my favorite of Bridgman's hands.

>>6625050
yup! Vilppu, Hogarth, and Nicolaides call it the modelling tone or synthetic tone

>>6625307
did you link the wrong post? Anyways, I would focus more on basic construction and anatomy, if I were you.

[Anonymous No.6626141]

>>6625945
so have you worked with pastels before or are you just saying stuff?

[Anonymous No.6626146]

I realized I can't shade at all so I tried doing a master study. It took a lot longer than I thought, and I only used two or three brushes. How many do you use on average for shading? I feel like I just crosshatch until the colors blend, that can't be the most optimal way to do colors, right?

[Anonymous No.6626179]

>>6625945
Thanks Anon. Also you’re Goated for being able to draw forearms in perspective like bottom left

[Anonymous No.6626470]

>>6625945
Thanks! It's crazy to think the end is in sight. Before I know it I'll be done with hands and then it's not too long to finish.

[Anonymous No.6627224]

Rough sketches

>>6626179
thanks! Copying the lines of a master artist is the greatest teacher

>>6626470
You should preserve your sketchbook behind bulletproof glass, so future art museums can display it as a major historical art pedagogy landmark

>>6626146
You're incredible, just keep doing this and you'll have no problems

[Anonymous No.6627866]

>>6627224
Lol thanks
I wonder what Finch's sketchooks looked like

[Anonymous No.6628759]

[Anonymous No.6628936]

>>6627224
Amazing levels of sovl, looks like old gundam character art.

[Anonymous No.6629480]

[Anonymous No.6630121]

Following speedpaints

[Anonymous No.6631153]

[Anonymous No.6632471]

Ohayou

>>6627866
>>6629480
>>6631153
I'm glad you're carefully correcting and observing even these simple diagrams of the finger and simple shapes of the hands. No brick unturned!

>>6628936
thank youu, Hojo is great at that, isn't he?

>>6630121
I like your linework a lot, but something feels off about the shading. The only solution is to do more studies, I suppose

>>6628759
powerful thumbs

[Anonymous No.6632723]

>>6632471
Loving that drapery!

[Anonymous No.6634125]

Oyasumi

>>6632723
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6634140]

>>6562630
Swallow your pride and use a soft brush like he does in the beginning of that class. That or use a bigger brush less strokes then hatch it out where shadow meets light.

[Anonymous No.6634275]

[Anonymous No.6635475]

[Anonymous No.6637084]

>>6635475
those fingers feel a little too erotic for some reason

[Anonymous No.6637133]

>>6637084
Hands are sexy!

[Anonymous No.6638729]

>>6637133
sorry anon, for leaving you hanging. My studies have been coming out like crap lately, but I'm still here and watching your progress. You're doing great

[Anonymous No.6639012]

>>6638729
Bad drawings are just something you can look back on later and see how much you've improved!

[Anonymous No.6640288]

In hindsight, I can see that a lot of the eyes are off, but I had fun with these.

>>6639012
next few pages are the Fist! I wish you luck...

[Anonymous No.6640289]

Not good enough to do any of these from memory yet, but I'll get there

[Anonymous No.6640290]

[Anonymous No.6640291]

I liked this one the best. The lines of the hair few very good to draw

[Anonymous No.6640292]

*felt

[Anonymous No.6640294]

>>6640288
>>6640289
>>6640290
>>6640291
These look great!

[Anonymous No.6641443]

手を描きました

>>6640294
thanks! Your hands are awesome

[Anonymous No.6641486]

>>6641443
Yours too!

[Anonymous No.6642034]

Found an opportunity to sit down and do a long study

>>6641486
Even if your drawings aren’t the most structural sometimes, they always have great flow now. After Bridgman, when you continue studying hands, I’m sure you’ll become a master at them

[Anonymous No.6642035]

Memory drawing. I’m happy with this one, because I didn’t have to stare at the reference and memorize it. I just let it come to me

[Anonymous No.6642211]

Tarbell study

[Anonymous No.6642935]

Unfinished cast from life

[Anonymous No.6643093]

>>6642034
Thanks! I'm definitely going to keep doing hand studies on my own time
The hands are the hardest for me in terms of visual memory

[Anonymous No.6643096]

>>6642935

are you doing this at an atelier with instruction or just on your own at home? What kind of tools and paper are you using?

[Anonymous No.6643137]

>>6643096
At an atelier with a teacher. The paper is Cavallo 109, using pencils HB through 6H.

[Anonymous No.6643826]

>>6643137

Thanks anon. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.6644919]

[Anonymous No.6645468]

I'm close to finishing my first copy of Bridgman. I've improved a lot and I know the forms of the body but I'm still hazy on some things, mostly origins and insertions. Should I study someone else before my second copy, like Hampton or Hogarth or Stanley Prokopenko or something or will it all come together the second time around?

[Anonymous No.6645696]

>>6584570
Very cool. That's quite a task you set for yourself anon

[Anonymous No.6646236]

>>6645468
I haven’t gotten to the second run yet and I struggle with origins and insertions as well but that will probably get easier when you try drawing it from imagination because you won’t have a choice but say to yourself “this muscle attaches to this bone” or you won’t be able to draw it at all. Copying another artist isn’t really going to do much imo because this boils down to you not knowing the anatomy well enough and you’ll become more familiar a second run. Plus copying multiple artists at once is a no go imo. That definitely won’t make you any less confused

Just stick with bridgeman and see where it takes you. I’m sure the insertions and origins will become second nature the more you draw from imagination

[Anonymous No.6646441]

[Anonymous No.6646449]

>>6646441
You should slow down Anon. These look strong for the most part but I can really tell you’re trying to zoom through this

[Anonymous No.6647640]

>>6645468
maybe it'll be good to review the facts of anatomy, insertions + origins, muscle belly shapes, etc. Finch says you'll inevitably have to review it anyways.

[Anonymous No.6647790]

>>6646449
Not to give excuses but things have been rough. I'm not super proud of these but it is what it is, I'm hoping to get back on track soon.

[Anonymous No.6648492]

>>6647790
please feel better. You'll make it soon

[Anonymous No.6649361]

[Anonymous No.6649709]

>>6648492
Thanks, it's nothing to worry about

[Anonymous No.6651056]

quick sketchy thing

>>6649709
your sense of form is great

>>6649361
great rendering. very spooky

>>6645468
post!

>>6642211
>>6642935
great work

[Anonymous No.6651600]

>Anime claims another thread.

[Anonymous No.6651653]

>>6651056
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6652334]

I'll become a master at hand drawing

>>6651653
ah, that's a hard one

[Anonymous No.6652663]

>>6543892
Don't "just copy" set a plan for yourself to what you want to achieve, there's many different approaches, you could focus on line work, do a value study (honestly one of the best things you could do to improve your artwork) and do color studies.
If you feel confident with all of this you could go for a full master copy.

[Anonymous No.6652666]

>>6652334
Yes, but I love these "six lines" ones, they make it so simple to understand.

[Anonymous No.6653201]

>>6541744
how would I draw a crystal ball like in this painting?

[Anonymous No.6653319]

>>6653201
The effect of the ball is mostly visible because of its surroundings.
What happens is the values inside the ball have been pushed around a bit and edges inside the ball are softened along with speckles of light giving it a solid yet transparent feel.

If you want to draw it, having some kind of backdrop affected by the refraction of the crystal helps, a glass or crystal ball floating in an empty space on your paper isn’t going to look very interesting.

[Anonymous No.6653327]

>>6653201
Also, look at the effects a real glass ball have, you cannot really draw something transparent outside a context.

[Anonymous No.6653373]

>>6653327

Apparently the crystal ball is hollow in the painting:
https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-scientists-solved-mystery-glass-orb-salvator-mundi
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/scientists-solve-mystery-salvator-mundi-orb-1745037

[Anonymous No.6653506]

>>6653373
Well, my point still stands.

[Anonymous No.6653771]

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