/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6509776]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the sticky

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous Thread: >>6505193

[Anonymous No.6509787]

>>6509734
use them to deconstruct a figure or object into smaller, more digestible shapes.

[Anonymous No.6509790]

Turbobeglet problem, how do I counter perspective looking weird, when I draw with pencil on a paper, which itself has perspective?

[Anonymous No.6509803]

>>6509790
like this, fren

[Anonymous No.6509809]

>>6509790
Get a desktop easel if you're serious about it, the ones I found on amazon are $30

[Anonymous No.6509812]

>>6509790
If you're beg, you shouldn't worry about such pedantic details.

[Anonymous No.6509814]

What are some good beginning art tips for things like posing and proportions? I've garnered somewhat of a style so now I'm mainly just trying to figure out how to properly use it.

[Anonymous No.6509838]

>>6509790
You can get a 16"x12" adjustable art board at Five Below for $5. Alternately, you can get a drawing board from an art supply store, and prop it between the edge of your desk and your lap.

[Anonymous No.6509853]

>>6509814
Draw from life. Find a figure drawing session. It will inform you about pose more than any photograph on manikin.

[Anonymous No.6509865]

Just got back from work. Give me the strength to draw.

[Anonymous No.6509873]

>>6509865
alakazam

[Anonymous No.6509899]

[Anonymous No.6509917]

Me and the boys (we're ready to pillage)

[Anonymous No.6509928]

you guys aren't just downloading 4chan pics right?

[Anonymous No.6509932]

Please tell me your honest opinion on this sketch. It feels like it has no gesture. It's all clunky, line weight is non existent. What you would fix?

[Anonymous No.6509960]

>>6509865

[Anonymous No.6509963]

Is it okay to use grid for the reference image? I draw picture in extreme perspective and the mid point unironically mindbreaks my. I guessed more or less correctly without the grid, but when I draw, I constantly think that it's not right, so I need to be sure

[Anonymous No.6509968]

>>6509963
you can do what you like but it is better to use other reference point of the body as markers to help you.

[Anonymous No.6510022]

>>6509960
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.6510111]

Can I get critique on this before I start rendering

[Anonymous No.6510122]

>>6510111
How does the choker work.

[Anonymous No.6510126]

>>6510022
Did you actually want motivation to draw or do you want to whine and wallow in self pity?

[Anonymous No.6510132]

When it comes to develop your own art style (comics, cartoon, anime, etc...), how early should one focus on it? Assuming the person wants something that has a more unique flavor to it.

I understand the cope mechanism of many begs who call their shit art their "own style", and that you should focus first studying the many aspects of drawing before giving your own twists. But my question is around exactly that: How much study? Should the person first master subjects before developing their own path, or they should start experimenting somewhere in the middle?

[Anonymous No.6510137]

>>6510132
until your drawings have structure

[Anonymous No.6510139]

>>6509960
kino

[Anonymous No.6510140]

>>6509865
I did what could. Not a lot, but not nothing either.

[Anonymous No.6510143]

i finished chapter 2 of brent eviston's book, where do i go to get more information on drawing basic objects? the rest of the chapters are about stuff like line weight and shading that he says makes more sense to do after you've got a firm grasp on the basics

[Anonymous No.6510149]

>>6510132
You will pick up quirks on the way.

[Anonymous No.6510154]

i think im improving more now that im drawing everyday

[Anonymous No.6510156]

>>6510154
>i think im improving more now that im drawing everyday
Wild. Who would have thought.

[Anonymous No.6510175]

>>6510122
It clips around the back

[Anonymous No.6510176]

>>6510175
draw it

[Anonymous No.6510181]

>>6510175
Can you simplify it for me in a profile view.

[Anonymous No.6510194]

any way to better understand light easier?

[Anonymous No.6510195]

>>6510194
Pick better references.

[Anonymous No.6510198]

>>6510195
so more balls and squares

[Anonymous No.6510200]

How do I learn not to shade like an absolute retard? It should not take this long or look this gross.

[Anonymous No.6510208]

>>6510198
Harder light.

[Anonymous No.6510231]

egg

[Anonymous No.6510248]

Decided to draw something original as a break from copying stuff. I wanted to shade it but honestly have no idea how to go about it, since separating the colors and shading each one separately would make the level of darkness/light uneven at points of colors changing. Also next time I see a cat I'll stare at it real hard, taking special notice of where it's ears are.
Anyway, back to grinding copies.

[Anonymous No.6510253]

>>6510200
It looks to me like you don’t know how to shade at all. Learn shading anatomy

[Anonymous No.6510293]

Made this drawing a while back that I'm not too happy with. Other than the obviously shitty background, I feel like something is off but I can't pinpoint exactly what.

[Anonymous No.6510346]

>>6510293
Fun piece. I don't know my uphill perspective theory at all, but I bet it has something to do with the sprinting guy, and maybe the guy in green.

[Anonymous No.6510347]

what do you all think?

[Anonymous No.6510361]

I'd like to do some sketching, line and wash. Sometimes just ink. Is 250 gsm appropriate for use in more casual sketching, studies etc, with larger more polished finished pieces on 300 gsm paper?
Or is it a mistake to use such heavy paper for sketching, I'm not a fan of using very cheap paper that buckles quickly, 250 seems to handle my level of washes well.

[Anonymous No.6510364]

>>6509899
These are really great! Do you sketch a simpler set of volumeabefore doing these very intricate shapes and abstractions of anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6510371]

>>6510346
Wow, that does look a whole lot better

[Anonymous No.6510384]

>>6510132
50% studying, 50% doing your personal work. Adjust to your preferences. You should start working on personal projects from the very beginning, even if it sucks. Applying what you learn to what you actually want to make is how you get better.

[Anonymous No.6510391]

>>6510194
It super red but not a bad attmpt to reproduce it. what is bad is black hair outline and not paying atterntion to form and how it arranged in space and this is like one of most important things about light thing when you want to made up it yourself. it can be whatever but you need to have some understanding of form you made up and how it put together or it will be ambiguous and flat.

[Anonymous No.6510399]

>>6510364
Thank you and usually yes. This is what my sketch looks like before erasing and re-drawing over it.

[Anonymous No.6510418]

>>6510399
That's really nice. I've never tried this more academic approach, do you start with the chest egg and pelvis, then add volume atop them?

[Anonymous No.6510420]

Draw this

[Anonymous No.6510427]

>>6510418
Yes sir, mostly by way of the construction method.

[Anonymous No.6510435]

>>6510420
Isn't drawing furry bannable?

[Anonymous No.6510461]

Am I a furry artist now?

[Anonymous No.6510466]

oh no, I made it. it's over. thanks op

[Anonymous No.6510472]

>>6510176
>>6510181
No
its done btw

[Anonymous No.6510475]

my wip folder keeps growing I can't bring myself to finish anything

[Anonymous No.6510477]

CAPIRHrina ooh yeah ooh yeah

[Anonymous No.6510482]

>>6510472
>3000x4573
The rendering isn't too shabby, good job. I think the reason people kept mentioning the choker is because it looks like it's phasing through her trapezius muscles.

[Anonymous No.6510490]

Started this a while ago but never finished it, frankly I think it looks like shit.
I fell for the just draw meme and although I did see some initial improvement from drawing straight up abominations, I quickly stagnated and haven’t improved since.
I’ve wasted 4-5 months drawing garbage and learning bad habits
How do I start over and unfuck my whole drawing process? What channels would you recommend to absolute beginners who never picked up a pen? I want to start from ground zero and learn how to do figures and anime.

[Anonymous No.6510575]

>>6509776
Fucked up on the flower at the top. Does it still at least read like one?

[Anonymous No.6510576]

Greetings beg! Book finished. Its wild how fucking different the BEG books are. They all teach in so wildly different ways yet at the same time you roughly arrive to the same goal. I will probably take a break for a day and then start the last beg book from the list!

>>6510490
eeeeh it isnt disaster. Whatever you did it worked somehow. I recommend to simply follow book like keys to drawing. Courses arent my thing, what you read in book in 5 minutes you need to spend 1 hour watching video full of uhhhhm moments
>>6510477
cute as usual
>>6510475
even your unfinished stuff has cute and soul feeling
>>6510461
to be furry you need to draw the animal with human like abilities like talking, reasoning and such. you just drew bad-ass Gerard! good job
>>6510200
start in gray-scale and read keys to drawing how to shade chapter
>>6510154
based drawing-daily anon! wgmi
>>6510143
wdym basic objects? Chapter two is about cubes, spheres and such. Once you get tired of them you simply advance to next chapter? The book cover later how to turn the basic forms into stuff like fruit or people. I found the book very elaborate, what exactly did you get stuck with?
>>6510132
All 5 out of 5 art books mentioned this topic. They all say students worry about developing style. Dont worry anon. You already have a style. You just dont have enough observation skill + drawing experience to notice your style. Think of it this way: did you ever had to practice your own signature? Drawing is the same stuff. Dont worry about style until much much later.
>>6509963
Only two books mentioned using grids and they described it as a crutch which is okay for beginner but the sooner you ditch it the better for your observation skill.
>>6509790
screen-less tablet chads dont have this problem. The book i just finished had like 10 pages about this topic. TLDR you should aim for setting up the canvas to be perpendicular to your eyesight otherwise your drawings will be a bit skewed

[Anonymous No.6510585]

>>6509790

[Anonymous No.6510594]

>>6509776
Is this a viable ultra begtard path?
>Keys FD
>Drawing for the utter beginner
>Drawing with Right side
>Perspective Made Easy (+ some other Pbook)
>Dynamic sketching (Charles Hu)
>who knows +
that Loomis, Vilpu, Anatomy and all that is still light years away from me

[Anonymous No.6510600]

>>6510576
>Full of uhhh moments
You mean like people not getting straight to the point? I feel you. Do you have any recommendations for manga>>6510575
specifically?

[Anonymous No.6510601]

Sorry did mean to respond to your post 6510575

[Anonymous No.6510602]

>>6510600
Why did you tag my picture? It has nothing to do with manga

[Anonymous No.6510605]

>>6510602
Read the post above your last post

[Anonymous No.6510606]

>>6510605
It posted right when I posted mine but yeah I see

[Anonymous No.6510611]

I’d really appreciate help on the bottom part of this drawing. Specifically the pants I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.

[Anonymous No.6510620]

>>6510490
You're ahead of some of your peers by realizing what you've drawn is not good. It has an amateurish charm, and the lines are clean. But yeah... You know it is bad, but what would help is for you to identify exactly what makes it bad. Look at it with a dispassionate eye and note exactly what you dislike about it. That should give you a roadmap to improve your work.

[Anonymous No.6510622]

>>6510611
Thigh on the right side of the image goes under the thigh on the left

[Anonymous No.6510627]

Yep

[Anonymous No.6510638]

You think your drawing sucks? You just like every single person around exept Esdeath. Look how bad it is . Now just learn to draw. Cant draw figure? -learn how draw figure. I'm so profound.

[Anonymous No.6510643]

Yep

[Anonymous No.6510647]

>>6510594
Drawing on the right side is cringe, granted I never really tried it but during the first pages the author tries to shill you her props which you need for some exercises unless you make them yourself

[Anonymous No.6510649]

First time posting anything Ive drawn
Current WIP

[Anonymous No.6510687]

hi beg, here's a little bit of my work for today. spent a half hour doing 2 minute gestures and really struggled through it (not pic related).
>>6510576
you're improving
>>6510585
literally me
>>6510627
schizo mode unlocked
>>6510643
check out loomis if want to improve heads
>>6510649
sexoooo

[Anonymous No.6510703]

>>6510649
is that aella?

[Anonymous No.6510711]

>>6510703
No idea anon just found the pic posted somewhere and thought it would make for good practice

[Anonymous No.6510712]

>>6510703
it is, yeah, and that pic is very hot and I dont know exactly why kek, something about the perspective and the silhouettes the body makes

[Anonymous No.6510714]

[Anonymous No.6510728]

Here's a stupid test I made to let go steam from college stuff.
I wanted to see if my blondie's design could blend well enough with other blondies that can well be compared to her. There's barely any reasonable procedure here, just me seeing if her design was on pair with the other two when reduced to these very small chibis; sometimes I get the feeling her design is still pretty amateurish and Donut-Steel-like, but Im not really sure anymore.

[Anonymous No.6510729]

i haven’t visited /ic/ in a while but from what i remember realistic styles are king here (rightly so, for developing fundamentals), so i hope my question isn’t retarded.

i really like art styles like picrel that have exaggerated straights and curves, and i was wondering what advice some of you might have for achieving that style? obviously not to copy the style, because i hate when people ask questions like that, but to understand the method behind it, i guess. i have been trying to incorporate straights against curves in my style, but it seems i always pussy out and make it too complicated or stiff. no feeling of motion in what i draw. hopefully this makes sense.

[Anonymous No.6510731]

>>6510728
Right design is the least unique of them. Very good though.

[Anonymous No.6510732]

Any advice for colored linework? I find it hard to plot out colors before having a 'base' to work with. Is it okay to do black linework, fill in color, and then go back over the black with colored linework?

[Anonymous No.6510733]

>>6510732
Yes. I always start with full black lineart and color after. I don't think most people color the lineart as they go, that's be too hard to match with the fill color.

[Anonymous No.6510734]

>>6510732
If you thumbnail you can decide on colours at the beginning but there isn't anything wrong with changing the lineart colour afterwards.

[Anonymous No.6510736]

>>6510732
no, it;s forribden by /ic counsil , evrione will laught at you and you will ruin yourself forever.

[Anonymous No.6510739]

>>6510732
do you know what a clipping mask is

[Anonymous No.6510740]

Working on this. Testing my knowledge of appealing color palates. How’s it looking?
>>6510729
Pyw so I can see what you’re doing.

[Anonymous No.6510742]

>>6510739
I do, that's what I've been using to do the linework recolor. I was just asking if its a good idea.

[Anonymous No.6510745]

>>6510742
then yes because i do it too :)

[Anonymous No.6510752]

>>6510687
like this

[Anonymous No.6510761]

Is Nicolaides is antiDobson? :]

[Anonymous No.6510801]

>>6510740
I'm sorry I do not like the color palette. I feel like that yellow doesn't go with anything, and the background is too bright, it's fighting with the characters. Make a desaturated darker background to make the saturated and bright character stand out against it.

[Anonymous No.6510816]

>>6510576
>The book cover later how to turn the basic forms into stuff like fruit or people
no, that's in chapter 2. the book then moves on to stuff like line weight, as i said. i'm asking for more resources on the "drawing stuff like fruit" stage

[Anonymous No.6510827]

take a fruit and draw it more

[Anonymous No.6510833]

Some action poses from imagination

[Anonymous No.6510836]

>>6510833
thats nice anon, i could hear the grunts and the punching

[Anonymous No.6510837]

Stick figures are underrated.

[Anonymous No.6510843]

>>6510833
good work, anon. are you making it?

[Anonymous No.6510859]

>>6510836
Sweet, thanks!

>>6510843
Thanks! Not yet. Hopefully sooner rather than later. :D

[Anonymous No.6510860]

Critique, h8, r8, masturb8

[Anonymous No.6510862]

>>6510843
>>6510859

Currently trying to get my first art job. Should amp up the application sending - I've oly sent two so far. Trying to get some trainee work or junior 2D work.

[Anonymous No.6510885]

>>6510740
if you’re still here >>6510869

[Anonymous No.6510903]

>someone uploaded one of my pics to danbooru a while ago
>was browsing sadpanda just now and saw a different pic of mine on there too
/madeit/
later nerds

[Anonymous No.6510925]

>>6510649

mindless tracing

[Anonymous No.6510945]

Final, how did it turn out?
>>6510860
Proportions are off. Rightmost character is the worst offender. Arms legs are too long or too short respectively. She has no glutes. Practice your anatomy by using references. Then layer over your attempt over the reference. Then draw the corrections.
Fabric folds are poor on the right character. Shoes are cartoonish.
I like the center pose.
>>6510885
You have no gesture. It’s all stiff. You drew doll bodies focusing on anatomical accuracy but not flow. There nothing to exaggerate when your art is stiff. That’s why you have no feeling of motion.

[Anonymous No.6510946]

>>6510620
I honestly don't know and that's the part that's stressing me out. The uneven mid torso? The lack of lines on the body indicating muscle? The even throughout line weight? I can't tell if the structure itself is fucked or if things just need to be tweaked to make it look ok. It's really disheartening when you look at your own work, realize it's shit, but can't understand why. I don't know if it's just fucked from the ground up or just needs to be modified

[Anonymous No.6510953]

>>6510885
Example for line of action. This is a big problem for new artists.

[Anonymous No.6510955]

>>6510714

Starting to understand form, and that is the key to getting good. GJ, pleasing face, some understanding of anatomy, etc. GMI. Just keep practicing!

[Anonymous No.6510972]

>>6510945
You went for an extremely stylized work, It's difficult to judge his type of thing.
As far as cartoons goes, it looks fine

[Anonymous No.6510976]

how do i render better

[Anonymous No.6510980]

legs and men are my worst enemies

[Anonymous No.6510981]

gimme a drawing excercise to do

[Anonymous No.6510982]

>>6510981
draw balls and squares and cilinders

[Anonymous No.6510984]

>>6510982
>squares
boxes. cuboids, stop calling them squares. not a first time You do it :<

[Anonymous No.6510986]

most of the page is class notes, the figure on the left is a copy. Will Weston's figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.6510988]

>>6510980
Hey, I recognize that Solomon!

[Anonymous No.6510989]

>>6510984
lol sorry, i say squares because thats what i remember

[Anonymous No.6511004]

>>6510988
What did you do to get to that level

[Anonymous No.6511007]

>>6509776

[Anonymous No.6511015]

>>6511004
Hampton into Bridgman, google David Finch roadmap.

[Anonymous No.6511021]

>>6510945
This isn’t the final anymore. Added shading and lighting.

[Anonymous No.6511026]

>>6510925
I didnt trace thanks for the compliment tho

[Anonymous No.6511030]

>>6511015
Thank you

[Anonymous No.6511040]

>>6511030
No problem, should note I've only been drawing a little over a year, so I might not know what I'm talking about, but I feel like I've improved a lot. Pic is my "gestures" from january 2022

[Anonymous No.6511041]

>>6511040
and this is from a couple weeks ago

[Anonymous No.6511044]

>>6511041
The Bridgman copies are tough but rewarding. I also use Morpho and Stonehouse for anatomy and simplification.

[Anonymous No.6511045]

>>6511040
>>6511041
Very good improvement I've been putting off fundies for so long but this is very encouraging

[Anonymous No.6511048]

>>6511004
looking at how block that shit is, a lot of bridgman

[Anonymous No.6511051]

>>6509776
Thoughts before i start Coloring

[Anonymous No.6511054]

>>6511051
I like your attempts at foreshortening but why do you always draw these fucked up mouths

[Anonymous No.6511072]

>>6511054
>attempts at foreshortening
So i failed at it or?
>but why do you always draw these fucked up mouths
Wdym always, lmaoo? I don't see whats so fucked up about my mouths, could u explain?
Also by the way you phrased it, it seems u remember my previous drawings, no?

[Anonymous No.6511080]

>>6511051
Questionable anatomy. You're obscuring important landmarks to avoid having to deal with them. And I'm the previous anon who said your mouths are fucking nasty, and it still is.
Why the fuck crop off half of the pelvis and leave in a whole lot of nothing over the figure.

[Anonymous No.6511086]

>>6511051
>>6511080
But good attempt with the foreshortening, the illusion gets weaker where the foreshortened arms meet the torso.

[Anonymous No.6511097]

>>6510862
in what industry? do you ever do commissions for twitter or something?

[Anonymous No.6511101]

>>6511051

[Anonymous No.6511104]

>>6509776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ImzYmSE9Q

[Anonymous No.6511105]

[Anonymous No.6511107]

>>6511097

Game. Don't use Twitter. Have done a couple of comissions but that's it. :D

[Anonymous No.6511108]

[Anonymous No.6511110]

>>6511105
cute 3

[Anonymous No.6511112]

>>6511108
is this like robot shota

[Anonymous No.6511113]

>>6511101
This is what I was thinking inside my head currently. when people do "foreshortoning" what it often mean is exaggerated perspective of single element, not figure in perspective.

[Anonymous No.6511114]

>>6511112
Maybe, since he goes to middle school to study human interactions there but robots don't really have ages so idk.

[Anonymous No.6511116]

>>6511108
Impeccable taste in shit cartoons

[Anonymous No.6511118]

>>6511114
ah. it awakens the same emotion within me as shota, so its spiritual shota if nothing else. good stuff, anon.

[Anonymous No.6511122]

>>6511116
I genuinely cannot tell if this is a compliment or an insult.
>>6511118
Thank you anon!! That's what I was going for honestly. Women holding and caring for small cute things (especially if they're hurt) are one of my favorite things.

[Anonymous No.6511123]

[Anonymous No.6511125]

>>6511104
Based

[Anonymous No.6511132]

>>6511108
Aww i love wholesome porn

[Anonymous No.6511162]

:D

[Anonymous No.6511221]

>>6511108
So that’s what happened to Robot Jones.

[Anonymous No.6511225]

Following the advice of just drawing, but how do I make it look like cute anime girls?

[Anonymous No.6511226]

>>6511225
This is cool. You should try adding some colours.

[Anonymous No.6511227]

>>6511108
Blog?

[Anonymous No.6511229]

>>6511225
just draw cute anime girls

[Anonymous No.6511248]

>>6510945
>>6510946
thank you anon. it's strange, i understand gesture and line of action in theory but in practice i fall flat on my face. i’ll keep studying that then.

it’s also confusing to me because i worry if i exaggerate something “too much” the anatomy will turn out distractingly bad. y’know what i mean?

[Anonymous No.6511299]

ritual

[Anonymous No.6511364]

>>6511162
How about u pyw anon, insteaf os crabbing on others

[Anonymous No.6511383]

There are people whose blogs are asked about each time they post. I don't get it. I've never gotten asked about my blog. My skill level is not that far from their skill levels. What makes their works so appealing, and mine unappealing?

[Anonymous No.6511385]

>>6511383
blog?
(just samefag it lol)

[Anonymous No.6511396]

>>6511086
>Questionable anatomy. You're obscuring important landmarks to avoid having to deal with them.
Wasn't my intention
>And I'm the previous anon who said your mouths are fucking nasty, and it still is.
Have u seen my other mouths?
>Why the fuck crop off half of the pelvis and leave in a whole lot of nothing over the figure.
Cuz I wanna...I want only her top half showing, that's the image I got in my head. Is it impossible to show only the top half with the perspective I'm going for?
Is >>6511101 yours? If yes explain a little

[Anonymous No.6511418]

>>6511383
Why do you even care

[Anonymous No.6511422]

>>6511418
Of course I care about whether or not my works are appealing. Don't you?

[Anonymous No.6511441]

>>6511396
>Is it impossible to show only the top half with the perspective I'm going for?
What perspective is that?

[Anonymous No.6511500]

I'm still very new to drawing but man very proud on how this looks compared to the stuff I made at first time!

[Anonymous No.6511527]

>>6511500
Can I see your early work? I love glow up stories. Also how new is new?

[Anonymous No.6511535]

Fuck you fucking fuckers go to hell I hope you die

[Anonymous No.6511539]

>>6511535
Quit being angry and go draw

[Anonymous No.6511558]

>>6511527
Sure heres the gallery, started 1st of last month

https://postimg.cc/gallery/kmMMpN5

[Anonymous No.6511573]

>>6511226
>This is cool.
First compliment I've ever gotten since I started drawing. Makes me happy. I don't really know how to color, but I will try.
>>6511229
Pretty good idea. Will try it out.

[Anonymous No.6511577]

>>6511422
Pyw I'll tell you.

[Anonymous No.6511585]

Reposting because I forgot to resize image.
>>6511226
>This is cool.
First compliment I've ever gotten since I started drawing. Makes me happy. I don't really know how to color, but I will try.
>>6511229
Pretty good idea. Will try it out.

[Anonymous No.6511596]

>>6511104
your videos are very comfy
where do you find ref?

[Anonymous No.6511611]

wait, where do i pirate the books for beginners? the artbook thread all seems to be collections of concept art

[Anonymous No.6511612]

Capeshit proportions are weird

[Anonymous No.6511617]

>>6511611
e-hentai has many artbooks available in galleries, don't even need to download them (but i'd recommend it, in case they're ever taken down)

[Anonymous No.6511618]

>>6511611
You can find a lot of the books by googling the name and ending with "PDF"

[Anonymous No.6511627]

So why does it not work at all? I though basic forms and construction were supposed to give solidity.

[Anonymous No.6511634]

>>6511617
but that's all just concept art too!

[Anonymous No.6511649]

>>6511611
One of the big megas in the OP has the basics in it, can't remember which.

Most beginner books are pretty ubiquitous anyway, you can get them from libgen or most places you'd expect to torrent pdfs from.

[Anonymous No.6511657]

>>6511539
Drawing is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.6511671]

>>6511657
life is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.6511674]

>>6511671
No it really isn’t
Drawing is though

[Anonymous No.6511676]

>>6511657
Drawing is fun somtimes though. Might as well waste time on something enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.6511678]

>>6510420
ZAMN!

[Anonymous No.6511681]

>colors look good on tablet
>bad on monitor
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuugghhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.6511682]

>>6511585
Only one way to learn! Personally I find this type of thing more interesting than the average picture of an anime girl anyway.

[Anonymous No.6511684]

Today's work

[Anonymous No.6511687]

[Anonymous No.6511690]

>>6511299
Very cool

[Anonymous No.6511691]

[Anonymous No.6511696]

>>6511627
It's definitely a you problem.

[Anonymous No.6511699]

>>6511687
Nice. but the colors are gross.

[Anonymous No.6511704]

>>6511696
Perhaps some clarification?

[Anonymous No.6511710]

>>6511704
Means your execution of form is poor.

[Anonymous No.6511711]

>>6511627
Look how your structure sketch has guiding lines along all of the axis. Now look how your final version doesn't. A lot of that dimensionality is lost when all you have is an outline.

Look at your hand in real life. Look at wrinkles on your knuckles and the way the webbing of your thumb creases and overlaps with the meat of your palm. All those things help give a sense of form, dimension, and depth. You should try drawing them, or at least indicating them.

The final is also much rounder and lumpier than your sketch would suggest it should be. The hand has a lot of bone and not too much fat on the fingers and back side, which would make the angles harsher and straighter.

[Anonymous No.6511717]

>>6511699
:( how do I fix 'em?

[Anonymous No.6511722]

>>6511717
Pick and choose what you want to have saturation. The blue is too saturated and dominating when it's supposed to be a background.

[Anonymous No.6511727]

>>6511227
@P3pperm1nty_ but it's pretty cringe and most of my artwork is on my rule34 xxx tag M1nty. Also I got locked out of my other blog and r34 won't let me upload because it's traditional art, it's the same @ but with no underscore.

[Anonymous No.6511737]

>>6511500
That's very competently made anon. I've been at it for two years and I'm not sure I can do it that well.

[Anonymous No.6511782]

>>6511690
thank mann

[Anonymous No.6511806]

>>6511722
I was going off pic related though, which I liked specifically because of the super saturated blue. Maybe I should have lowered the saturation on the balustrade to cancel it out? Idk

[Anonymous No.6511828]

>>6511711
I did a quick sketch of my hand without any construction. I don't get any of this. I've been drawing for 2 years and made no progress. All I want to draw are anime boys and girls. I've tried my best to use construction and understand form so I can just draw boring basic shit. I don't know what to do anymore.

[Anonymous No.6511835]

>>6511828
Have you draws any anime at all?

[Anonymous No.6511839]

>>6511828
>>6511835
There's little point in doing things you do not see the point in doing.

[Anonymous No.6511846]

>>6511835
No, I don't know how to draw from imagination and I don't know how line art functions, so even if I just try to stylize an image I would still be at a complete loss as to what to do. All I've done is try to learn the fundamentals of classical drawing.

[Anonymous No.6511849]

>>6511846
Well try harder
Bur have fun with it anon ;3

[Anonymous No.6511850]

>>6511846
Go find the anime look you like and emulate it.

[Anonymous No.6511858]

>>6511846
>>6511850
And please for the love of god let go of thinking you need to lineart anything and everything.

[Anonymous No.6511860]

>>6511850
But it's line art; I don't understand how it functions or how you do it. What gives it forms when it's just lines?

[Anonymous No.6511867]

>>6511860
>What gives it forms when it's just lines?
Power of suggestion.

[Anonymous No.6511872]

>>6511860
You have to feel the form

[Anonymous No.6511876]

>>6511860

[Anonymous No.6511880]

>>6511872
But how? It's what I'm trying to do when I do hatching but without it I have no idea what to even attempt.

[Anonymous No.6511884]

>>6511846
To draw from imagination you must have a strong visual library.

Learn construction (Morpho has many books on this, Proko has beginner-friendly videos). Use this construction to re-draw images you like/want to draw in the style of yourself. Simplify complex anatomy into rudimentary shapes. Yes, even stylized anime characters have the foundations of anatomy.

Then put the details on top of those simple constructions. Learning anatomy will help with this, but you can fake it with reference while you learn.

Do this a lot until you can imagine how the parts fit together without looking at a reference. This will take a while.

[Anonymous No.6511889]

>>6511884
not that anon but I have a question about construction, should it be learned after perspective? I'm planning to do >>6510594 or something similar, still light years away from anatomy

[Anonymous No.6511891]

Stopped for a few weeks and trying to get back into drawing again.

[Anonymous No.6511894]

>>6511880
Unironically Loomis.
Look at the first few pages of FWAP and see how drawing a wrapping line around a circle makes it look like a 3D sphere instead of a flat circle.
Or, just draw a simple cube. A cube looks 3D.
The illusion of depth in 2D drawings pretty much always comes down to one of those two principles, wrapping lines or drawing the outline of 3D forms.

[Anonymous No.6511895]

>>6511880
Go look at art.

[Anonymous No.6511898]

>>6511727
Femanon, you sure are improving with your appeal, I like your current stuff a lot, keep it up

[Anonymous No.6511900]

>>6511894
I tried him and I don't get it at all.

[Anonymous No.6511905]

Sup. Newfag here, trying to learn drawing.
I see info what you need to draw with your shoulder not your wrist, is this true?

[Anonymous No.6511907]

>>6511900
Tell me what you read and understood from the first few pages

[Anonymous No.6511912]

>>6511900
Buddy draw SHAPES, not lines. The head is a sphere

[Anonymous No.6511914]

>>6511905
This is a non issue.

[Anonymous No.6511915]

>>6511889
Perspective first, because you need to understand things like foreshortening to properly realize how the shapes that compose a body act in a physical space.

[Anonymous No.6511917]

>>6511905
drawing with your shoulder helps with longer lines

[Anonymous No.6511919]

How do you select colors for the shading?
Manually?
Through a multiply layer?
You fiddle with the HLS?

[Anonymous No.6511924]

>>6511919
Manually. I don't want to rely on filters and tricks.

[Anonymous No.6511925]

>>6511914
this is like biggest issue because i dont know where to start
I found a guide where dude says to start drawing with your shoulder first, like lines and stuff.
I need a good starter guide for a complete new fag

>>6511917
yea i got it, but do i need it? like must have

[Anonymous No.6511928]

Gettin there

Took some tips from yall niggas the other day

[Anonymous No.6511930]

>>6511925
>>6511905
There, read this : https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

[Anonymous No.6511934]

>>6511928
Don't know shit about art, but I like how you're using the wings for framing.

[Anonymous No.6511943]

>>6511898
>>6511108
>drawn by a femanon
AWOOGA!

[Anonymous No.6511949]

[Anonymous No.6511959]

>>6511907
In the first few pages Loomis implies that anything can be constructed through the use of basic forms as building blocks when starting a drawing by providing you with guidelines that you can follow rather than guessing where things are supposed to be. Once finished you can get rid of superfluous guidelines but still be left with a solid feeling drawing because of the construction. I don't understand what he's talking about because getting rid of the guidelines do not leave you with a solid feeling result.
>>6511912
I drew all of those with construction like pic related.

[Anonymous No.6511960]

>>6511925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH8cd2_8nxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5QIiubr10g

[Anonymous No.6511965]

>>6511915
>Perspective first, then construction
thanks man, I have one last question then, what about Loomis/Vilppu? are those considered construction or anatomy? should they be done after/before or what? I see people throw their books around, together with Bridgman / Morpho but I'm pretty sure these two are anatomy

[Anonymous No.6511966]

>>6511959
move to the next exercise now

[Anonymous No.6511967]

>>6511364
wdym. This is my work. This is rough but genuine attempt to try to solve it. Instead oh just you are wrong I'm tried it myself. to be entertained by the result do not equate to crabbing. If you know how to do it better - try it

[Anonymous No.6511971]

>>6511422
Go draw and stop worrying about random anons (You)ing you and going "Blog?" it's basically a meme at this point

[Anonymous No.6511977]

>>6511691
Little rough around the edges but I see some potential for really chunky looking stylization. I like it

[Anonymous No.6511979]

>>6511959
Your sphere is fucking weak. Look at the lines wrapping around the center.

[Anonymous No.6511990]

>>6511930
>>6511960

Ok, thanks

[Anonymous No.6512032]

>>6511905
>>6511925
you need chapter 1 of the art and science of drawing by brent eviston

[Anonymous No.6512037]

>>6511898
Aww thanks man!! I'm really happy to hear that, appeal has been one of my biggest hurdles.
>>6511943
Awooga indeed :)

[Anonymous No.6512040]

>>6511041
Inspiring stuff anon! I’d love to get to your stage in a year. What kind of hours were you putting in?

[Anonymous No.6512041]

>>6511966

[Anonymous No.6512045]

>>6511965
I mean, they all have multiple books that cover both.

Construction is simplified 3D forms. Spheres, cubes, cylinders, etc. used to construct a representation of the body. Anatomy is the actual muscles/fat/bones that those simple 3D forms represent.

It's not uncommon for parts of them to be taught in parallel, because they're complementary. However anatomy can be much more complex and require a lot of memorization, so starting with construction is a good way to get your foot in the door and then build on top of it with anatomical knowledge.

I personally find the Morpho books to have the best balance of both.

[Anonymous No.6512050]

>>6512040
Not much, just about 45 minutes to an hour a day. But you gotta do it every day.

[Anonymous No.6512068]

>>6512041
now the next

[Anonymous No.6512069]

You CAN kill me but i dont see cylinders in wheels, can some one mark them somehow?

[Anonymous No.6512075]

>>6512069
its slim, like cheese

[Anonymous No.6512123]

>>6512068
I have to go to bed now. Still, I don't see why you're telling me to continue when I fucked up completely from the very first exercise. I still have no idea what it is that creates successful lineart.

[Anonymous No.6512131]

>>6512123
you'll get it, go next tomorrow

[Anonymous No.6512140]

>>6512123
what helped me with fwap faces was to do a shitload of them, you get better by just practicing
what can help is when you do the darker lines over construction, don't just copy the lines under like a contour drawing but try to feel out the form in 3d space and adjust line weight to capture that form

[Anonymous No.6512150]

>>6512069
Each wheel is a very short cylinder. When thinking about cars, you can also imagine them as a long cylinder with a big chunk cut out in the middle.

[Anonymous No.6512153]

How do you guys use reference for poses? I don't use reference and stagnate due to it. When I use reference I can draw the thing well but I'm basically just copying it.

[Anonymous No.6512159]

>>6512069

[Anonymous No.6512163]

>>6512150
Cute drawing

[Anonymous No.6512177]

>>6511596
Google images

[Anonymous No.6512178]

>>6512153
just exaggerate the pinch & stretch or break the stable triangle of the legs to give it an "about to" quality

[Anonymous No.6512185]

ok, I tried more scintific approach :<

[Anonymous No.6512275]

First time practicng faces

[Anonymous No.6512278]

>>6512275
Study the forms of facial features as well as the shape of the face itself. You're drawing symbols of eyes/noses/lips instead of real forms

[Anonymous No.6512280]

>>6512275
do bargue plates until you learn to see then go back to construction

[Anonymous No.6512334]

>>6512185
this is actually amazing lmao

[Anonymous No.6512354]

>>6510347
Ye well, getting better there kid
But ye make sure you get that Wacom it's really the start of things I do think it's improvement though so good on that
But can't stress enough that if you want to get help that a Tablet is where I think the starting point is at for you.

Bgggg respect thoguh

[Anonymous No.6512357]

>>6511891
pretty good it has depth, like a carving.

[Anonymous No.6512409]

I had my reference on my other monitor which has less saturation and contrast, question is how do I know which one is more accurate?
Also, how are you supposed to copy someone else's rendering if you don't know if they used any layer trickery or filters or something?

[Anonymous No.6512438]

Practicing face expressions, for my OC, trying to find a way to keep it on model while not making him stiff from too many guidelines.

[Anonymous No.6512443]

>>6512438
Anon someone stuck toilet paper to your oc's head

[Anonymous No.6512447]

>>6510953
Anons i have another question
If I’m being honest I have no interest in drawing very dramatic poses with characters punching, falling, etc. poses where it’d be very easy to tell where the line of action is.

I like to draw characters standing, doing natural poses, leaning on a desk, sitting relaxed. It’s harder for me to tell where the line of action is. Picrel (random example from twitter) is obviously a character in a stoic pose, but i don’t think it’s stiff? Can anyone here please help me with that?

[Anonymous No.6512453]

>>6512409
I can't answer you first question for for the second question, if you're good enough you don't even need to rely on layer trickery or filter to colour

[Anonymous No.6512467]

uasgag

[Anonymous No.6512474]

>>6512447
line of action is just an abstraction, some pros (animators where this line of action is even more prevalent) arent very fond of the concept. If you have a hard time finding the line of action, there are other things you should be thinking also,
where is the balance of the figure?
where is the figure stretching, wedging, twisting in x,y,z?
how does this pose feels like (empathy)?
what would the body look like before and after the current pose?
what is dragging?
whats the active/inactive side?

and so on, for example I don't like the pose, it would look more menacing by pushing more the chest forward and bringing the shoulders a little more to the back and lower (green line). Not a fan of that artist a crappy version of Rokudou no Onna-tachi

[Anonymous No.6512480]

>>6512447
Line of action doesn't need to be a dramatic fighting pose. In the examples provided it shows >>6510953
A simple standing pose. Line of action gives flow and a sense of movement.
Also that image is stiff and absolutely could be exaggerated a bit more.
My line of action is in the spine. Arcs are naturally appealing to human eyes. If you want to keep drawing stiff then just draw over doll bodies.

[Anonymous No.6512511]

>>6511107
what's your motivation for seeking a job rather than taking comms? not crabbing or trolling, just wondering.

[Anonymous No.6512566]

how broken?

[Anonymous No.6512575]

Redline?

[Anonymous No.6512589]

>>6512480
>If you want to keep drawing stiff then just draw over doll bodies.
huh
why would i “want to keep drawing stiff”

[Anonymous No.6512600]

rly proud, what level of beg is this? thx

[Anonymous No.6512603]

>>6511044
Awesome work!! good work fellow morpho chad

[Anonymous No.6512607]

lmao. im not a disigner, ok. it was just funny idea for no reason.

[Anonymous No.6512615]

out of all the books in sticky is there one i can skip i cant afford all of them and im dead set on physical copies

[Anonymous No.6512619]

Where that meme picture with crying anon and bunch of supplies

[Anonymous No.6512623]

>>6512600
Better than me. Nice job on that gun and those pants!

[Anonymous No.6512632]

>>6512623
i bet youre not too bad yourself! thanks fren : )

[Anonymous No.6512645]

>>6512615
Could be worth checking to see if your local libraries or second-hand stores have any of them for free or cheap. I forget exactly what is in the sticky but I would recommend getting at least Keys to Drawing and Perspective Made Easy. Fun with a Pencil is decent for an introduction to construction, but it's a bit old fashioned. If you get Keys to Drawing, you can skip Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. That's more than enough for the first couple months of study.

[Anonymous No.6512647]

>>6512645
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is an absolutely worthless book i’m not sure why it’s recommended

[Anonymous No.6512651]

[Anonymous No.6512657]

>>6512615
Go to your local print shop and print them in black and white on cheap paper.

[Anonymous No.6512659]

>>6512150
>>6512159
Damn, thanks

[Anonymous No.6512663]

>>6512575
damn

[Anonymous No.6512671]

>>6512651
kek

[Anonymous No.6512678]

>>6512511

Getting comissions seems like a chore, also seems like more work for less money. The first art jobs in game industry I applied for were paying over 2,5k as an entry level job, which is way more than what I could get through comissions without all the hassle of getting customers, etc. Like, I've done 2 comissions in the last couple of years. I hate milking social medias, etc. Not for me. :D I rather have a steady routine. I don't really like people, I rather keep the customer interactions to the minimum.

[Anonymous No.6512680]

>>6512678

A cashier gets like 1,5-1,8k, so a 2,5k entrylevel job is really good. And then the more senior dudes I know make like 4k a month, which is close to what a doctor makes in here.

I'm from Finland. To me it sounds like 100k/year in America = 50k/year in Finland without the pressure of going bankrupt if you brake a leg or get sick.

[Anonymous No.6512681]

>>6512647
Exercises

[Anonymous No.6512686]

>>6512645
Wouldn't start with fwap until you get better at lines and copying

[Anonymous No.6512688]

>>6512645
what about things like Morpho or other advanced construction? also where do you think a course like dynamic sketching would fall in all that?

[Anonymous No.6512689]

Warm ups, 5 minutes each

[Anonymous No.6512709]

>>6512686
That's a good point.

>>6512688
You could do dynamic sketching first, the line control exercises it starts with are great for beginners. You may want to do a perspective course while you do the basic form exercises. Once you've got the basic forms down you can do Fun With a Pencil to learn basic construction skills.
Morpho is good, but the author himself said it's more art reference rather than art instruction, so beginners may get a bit lost if they don't already know the basics and have decent self-teaching skills. It's fine once you've got a figure drawing method down, like Vilppus or Michael Hamptons. They both have videos on YouTube which help a lot.

[Anonymous No.6512717]

>>6512689
You inspired me to start learning Bridgman, Anon.

[Anonymous No.6512785]

>>6511441
Shes holding the face of someone taller than her. So almost kinda like a partial top view perspective not full on...

[Anonymous No.6512846]

>>6512575
take the boxpill

[Anonymous No.6512852]

[Anonymous No.6512869]

NEW THREAD
>>6512868
>>6512868
>>6512868

[Anonymous No.6512879]

>>6512846
am i supposed to think this is good?

[Anonymous No.6512888]

I started playing with my butthole while drawing

[Anonymous No.6513313]

>>6512888
Checked and based.

[Anonymous No.6514018]

how do you reconcile
>interesting detailed character design
>what to put it in large scene where detail would be lost
just play around with thumbnails until you find the balance?

[Anonymous No.6514034]

>>6510576
>activate windows
yeah, im thinking based

[Anonymous No.6515876]

>>6511108
Why breastfeeding is so hot