/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.6500870]

How hard is it to make money from art? I want to be able to feed a family doing art

[Anonymous No.6500884]

do NFTs sirs! I am able to feed my whole village with them

[Anonymous No.6500886]

>>6500884
I thought avatar fagging was bannable

[Anonymous No.6500889]

>>6500886
its not avatarfagging he posts a different character everytime

[Anonymous No.6500890]

>>6500870
It's difficult, you'd probably make more money working at McDonalds.

[Anonymous No.6500891]

>>6500889
Got em

[Onanymous No.6501003]

>>6500870
How long before this devolves into "AI stole the rockstar of mangas job, status and money I would surely have found after I read Loomis and get good so what's the point now..." thread?

[Anonymous No.6501030]

>>6501003
>thread
"Jannie" posters have a script. losers.

[Anonymous No.6501031]

>>6500870
Easy if you have skills whatever industry you're going to requires.

[Anonymous No.6501035]

>>6500870
Gonna be honest with you op, most I’ve made off commissions was 40k over the course of 5 years, and that was when business was good. Since then I’ve made 100 here and there but nothing substantial. Do yourself a favor and go get a regular job if you need a paycheck. Art is just a hobby for 95% of artists, lest you count yourself among the lottery winners of the art world.

[Anonymous No.6501054]

>>6500870
extremely fucking difficult to make enough to feed yourself, never mind a fucking family

[Anonymous No.6501543]

>>6500870
>How hard is it to make money from art?
Not very hard. Making enough money to live comfortably? Well if it was easy, everyone would do it, right?
>I want to be able to feed a family doing art
Hope you like living in a third world country then.

[Anonymous No.6501577]

>>6500870
I’m making 500 bucks a week to draw and do some basic graphic design stuff. I’m gonna ask for a raise of $200in a month

[Anonymous No.6501581]

>>6501035
What sort of commissions do you do? Like traditional or digital, sfw or nsfw, etc

[Anonymous No.6501591]

If you make furry porn, you can earn LOTS of money.

[Anonymous No.6501592]

>>6500890
The ai robots are taking over those jobs too.

[Anonymous No.6501593]

>>6501592
I wish. I made more money on unemployment.

[Anonymous No.6501595]

>>6500870
There are millions upon millions of master artists out there, anon. Millions. And there is always someone at your skill level willing to work for less pay.
You are as replaceable as a McDonald's fry cook. Except you work less hours, and get none of the benefits. And your taxes aren't automatically deducted from your paycheck.
Don't do freelance art. Get contracted.

[Anonymous No.6501625]

>>6501581
Children’s books and misc illustration. Picture books brought me the most business but it wasn’t enough business to float me.

[Anonymous No.6501638]

>>6500870
Just gotta have wide enough appeal, be at the best of your abilities, and have a consistent rate of output. I've seen fantastic artists gradually lose their fans and customerbase because their subjects became too niche (even for the fans) and developed inconsistent output over time.

[Anonymous No.6501658]

>>6500870
Not even lawyers and doctors can feed a family alone nowadays.

[Anonymous No.6501667]

>>6500870
You have to be doing a lot of commercial art, graphic design, to make bread.

[Anonymous No.6501704]

>>6501035
pyw?
Let me see what those look like

[Anonymous No.6501832]

>>6501625
Hey that’s what I’m doin. It’s been real fun so far, only started about 2 months ago

[Anonymous No.6501849]

>>6500870
>feed a family
Did you have any particular family in mind?

[Anonymous No.6501853]

>>6500870
Try graphic design or product design. I’m aiming for product design right now, designing for clothing brands.

[Anonymous No.6501885]

>>6501591
If you drop paint buckets on a canvas you could make millions

[Anonymous No.6502018]

>>6501853
>graphic design
dead career, stay away, you've been warned.

[Anonymous No.6502312]

>>6500870
It was already extremely difficult and now 99% of artists are going to be completely unemployable within the next 5 years.

[Anonymous No.6502321]

>>6502018
How so? I’m more interested in product design than graphic design, it seems pretty chill from the conferences I’ve been too and I have several brands I’m thinking about applying to already. That, or architecture or interior design.

[Anonymous No.6502627]

>>6502321
Then go to engineering, industrial design rather than graphic design

[Anonymous No.6502653]

>>6501704
No. And it won’t help you anyway. Clients are bottom barrel amateur writers who look to spend as little as possible on illustrations. Quality, and this is true by miles in children’s books, is of little value or concern. I’ve seen retard scribble pass for picture books before, just absolute beg garbage.

If you’re wanting to do big picture books with e publishers, that’s another thing. Get a manager, send your work to publishers, and have an appealing, somewhat cute picture book style that fits their brand. I never bothered with this route because it seemed unlikely to break into publishing as a nobody, which I’m probably right.

[Anonymous No.6502674]

>>6502653
No no, I am just insecure about my art
I want to know how good I have to be to make money
Pic is my latest practice.

(I live in a 3rd world country. $45000 in 5 years is middle class here so I'm aiming hard to reach your skill)

[Anonymous No.6502729]

>>6502674
Picrel is a sample of client work I’ve done. I’d suggest you start stylizing. Try to come up with something simple, cute and appealing to look at. Anime won’t cut it. Even chibis. Most clients don’t want their kids book to be anime. You should do some google searches on cute picture books to get a better idea on client expectation and build a portfolio based on that type of work. The cuter the better when it comes to this line of work, and always be polite!

[Anonymous No.6502758]

>>6502729
Ok, got it.
I'm not aiming for childrens but I do need to know how good my art have to be.

Back to grinding.
Hope I could master anatomy by this year

[Anonymous No.6502783]

>>6502758
You don’t need to master anatomy or any other skill to do well in it. Stylizing is far more important for success. It needs to look good for people to want to spend money on it. Think about finishing some of your sketches. It’s more important to be able to create a finished, colored piece that can stand on its own. Clients don’t want sketches or perfect anatomy, they want pretty pictures. Just have solid fundies and start stylizing. Don’t get stuck striving for mastery, it’s a beg-trap.

[Anonymous No.6502918]

>>6501591
I draw furry porn, /ic/ claims I'm int level, but I still struggle with finding commissions and followers. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.6502929]

>>6501003
As soon as the pajeets finished their 6 rounds of Apex

[Anonymous No.6504179]

I earned 40 dollars in less than an hour for 2 twitch emotes. The anin wants 5 more for 20 dollars each. You gotta advertise yourself a lot or you .
I live in eastern Europe so this is a great deal for me haha.

[Anonymous No.6504186]

>>6504179
I didn't finish the sentence. You'll have to advertise yourself alot or you'll have a tough time getting any work by just posting and hoping for the best

[Anonymous No.6504190]

>>6500870
If you got the skills, theres good money to be made

[Anonymous No.6504242]

>>6500870
No idea if this is just another AI bait thread or not, but I will be very honest to you: Don't bet solely on it. Have a plan B. I have witnessed first-hand when the Internet came along. I remember when Tim-Berners Lee was sitting in his chair on the '94 conference explaining what he just invented (the WWW as we know it). People were ignorant and incredibly dismissive of what WWW would bring to us. I have seen people, companies, etc. fail terribly due to their ignorance and inaccurate prediction. Please don't make the same mistakes.

What I'm trying to say, anon, is that you should do the best that you can, but to have an alternative plan at hand. AI will absolutely be the next big thing in this and the following decade. It will probably happen even faster than with the Internet. It will make the requirements for jobs much harder to met, jobs will be replaced, etc. Yes, I'm aware of the political, social and philosophical consequences and I can also understand the nihilist depression that recent trends of AI has caused. But the best you can do right now is to look forward. Do what you can do best, but prepare for the worst.

[Anonymous No.6504281]

>>6504242
>No idea if this is just another AI bait thread
even if it was, with ai changes fucking nothing at the end of the day, if first was
>anon you want to get commissions, but you have hundreds of people that are better than you and charge less, it's impossible
now it is
>anon you want to get commissions, but you have hundreds of prompters that can do better generations than you for less, it's impossible
and even if "artists" of today gets replaced, you will have a new kind of "artist" that will be needed.
eg. it's 2010, you want to sell your animu commissions, but you draw only on paper with crayons, no one buys from you because the digital fag does the same, better and without shipping costs, so you have to go digital.
It's 2030 and you want to sell animu commissions, but you draw only digital, the ai fag charges the same, but for 2 pieces and half the time, so you have to go ai.
Just adapt and learn new tools, if you are good at it you will make money somehow, moreover making money with art is soooo fucking hard, a foolish carreer path, and one of the most important things to make it is getting exposure, even if you aren't the best if people know you, you can still make it

[Anonymous No.6504346]

>>6504242
No one's dismissing AI here but to say that it would replace skilled laborer is another dung of every utopian bs

Van Goh and Picasso both enjoyed film and photography
3D's been available for 40 years and it's not killing 2D
In fact, Digital art itself has failed to kill Trad
Electric music can't kill performing bands

And so on and so forth
Notice the similarities?
The skilled professionals cannot be replaced. Introduction of new tools do nothing more than create a new niche

And anyone who claim that "humans are obsolete" is just another utopian fool without any sense of critical thinking.

Jumping on the hype train is massively riskier than just staying a cautious distance. Rather miss out than get scammed

[Anonymous No.6504389]

>>6504346
When people say replace they don't mean replace every single person working using a medium they mean a medium taking the place of another medium as the go to for most people

[Anonymous No.6504403]

>>6501591
it's true i draw furry porn and make lots of money several hundreds of dollars even.

[Anonymous No.6504415]

>>6501577
Post an example of your work I’ll let you know how realistic that is

[Anonymous No.6504427]

>>6504281
Anon, I fear you are coping. Anyway, I wish the best luck to you.

>>6504346
>No one's dismissing AI here but to say that it would replace skilled laborer is another dung of every utopian bs
I can already tell from this statement alone that you were not reading my text from an objective lense but rather from an emotional one. In fact, I never made the claim that it either was utopian or dystopian. Your other arguments also fail to address my actual points, therefore dismissed.

>>6504389
Thank you. At least one person able to use their brain. Honestly, I really feel pity for a lot of trad artists, like legitimately. Not wanting to use AI is one thing that is understandable, but being absolutely ignorant to the changes it will inevitably cause and not even planning an alternative is like re-experiencing the mid-90s again. Like, seriously, half of my colleagues were so convinced back then that WWW wouldn't take off, and some made terrible financial decisions. But I can't help it. If people want to pursue this path, let them.

[Anonymous No.6504431]

>>6504427
Oh riddle me how to use AI and still keep copyright over my work

[Anonymous No.6504654]

>>6502627
Why should I spend time learning something objectively more difficult than graphic design or product design when I already have experience with the two and have connections to product designers who work with clothing brands? Especially engineering is not something you can just pick up and learn on your own, you might as well just tell someone to pick an easy trade that doesn’t require the level of intellect that engineering requires.

[Anonymous No.6505238]

>>6500870
lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.6505241]

>>6504190
No there isn't. It's long hours for shit pay.

[Anonymous No.6505901]

>>6500870
ToT

[Anonymous No.6505949]

>>6504403
Ya know what, I'll blindly take your word for it. May as well try

[Anonymous No.6505974]

>>6501035
>40k over the course of 5 years
So basically 600usd per month. You from Poland aren't you Marek?

[Anonymous No.6505985]

>>6500870
I feel like for most people, if they want to draw for most of their lifes, the best way to do that is if they became someones house-partner.
Clean the house, cook something nice, get fucked in the ass and then you can draw and not worry about you going onto the streets.
Going the route of a struggling artist until someone notices your potential won't work for most
You can try to get your family to support you but that would only work if you have some sort of mental disability

[Anonymous No.6505988]

hello, asking anons on here honestly.
i want to make art as a career, but what should i go for a 2nd option (if i failed at art)?
coding? engineering?

[Anonymous No.6506005]

>>6500870
Uohhhhh

[Anonymous No.6507864]

>>6505988
>coding? engineering?
ai is taking those two out as we speak, so, manual labor is a legit option, the trades too except for welding, no ammount of money is worth losing your eyes (because you will also use a computer/phone all the time

[Anonymous No.6508081]

>>6502758
>Back to grinding.
>Hope I could master anatomy by this year
Holy beg

[Anonymous No.6508137]

>>6500870
get a job in graphic design or something else as equally soulless
its not fun, not really creative but there's jobs out there for it

[Anonymous No.6508247]

draw a hyperrealistic gun and glue it to a gun shaped piece of plywood and rob a bank

[Anonymous No.6508255]

>>6502674
Im a turd worlder. $45000 could literally buy an apartment. Fully paid in cash.

[Anonymous No.6508360]

>>6508081
You know the drill
Pyw

[Anonymous No.6508393]

>>6508255
Yeah, but that's $45,000 in 5 years
$9k a year is upper middle class for my country. Big but not that big

[Anonymous No.6508439]

>>6507864
huh i thought manual labour is one of the first thing getting replaced by machines.
and it doesnt pay well, couple with the fact if you're over 35 or some shit, it's over.

[Anonymous No.6508447]

>>6504346
i agree somewhat but to say skilled professionals cannot be replaced is a gross misunderstanding of capitalism. since the the start of the industrial revolution a lot of skilled professional jobs ended and got replaced. theres is no more shoemakers, for example, everyone just buys shoes from a dirty chinese factory, and you bet your ass shoemaking is art

[Anonymous No.6508738]

>>6508447
No, not really
It *can* be an art but even before the machines, children were already employed enmass by shoemakers.

Every job that is monotonous and blue collar shall be replaced. But not skilled white collar.

[Anonymous No.6510206]

to people who sell art online or offline. did you have to set up a business to do it? it's the one thing that's holding me back.
i do only traditional and don't do online sales. it seems that it's stricter regarding laws. for example, one has to obtain license to do craft shows.

[Anonymous No.6510209]

>>6510206
Etsy.
I'm told they sell it mostly there

[Anonymous No.6510210]

>>6510209
i don't mean a registering on a website. i mean registering an actual business or sales permit with the state.

[Anonymous No.6510213]

>>6510210
Not sure but I guess you only need to register if you want to set up a studio. You'll need a business permit to rent a place
Freelancing and selling your craft does not really matter

[Anonymous No.6510242]

>>6510210
a simple rule you can follow is until you can make enough money from online work to pay for a lawyer you dont need to worry about anything

[Anonymous No.6510255]

>>6510242
i don't do online work myself. i only included online sellers to compare the process. it seems online artists, especially digital artists, have more freedom. the clients do not even need to know their name, nor do they set up a "doing business as" license/permit.
>>6510213
been doing some reading, and for craft fairs, most states require sales permit. yet artist alleys in anime conventions don't have any mention of it.

[Anonymous No.6510542]

>>6510210
I understand your concerns anon but you are a massive faggot for caring about such a thing lol. Yeah anon the state is going to kick down your door because they aren't getting a cut of your furry fart porn commissions

[Anonymous No.6510646]

i can only speak about loyalty route (patreon or 'popularity' artists) i usually make 200-300 usd/month making coom art some month i can get around 500 bucks
but only do it as a sidegig and i'm also doing main job (coding engineer). doing art as a hobby during holiday
i'd say it's difficult if you want to dependent rely on it and i don't recommend it from my perspective. i'm fine doing this way and never think about gonna make it as a main job. unless i'm luckily crazy and become so much popular which never gonna happens.

if you interested in this route i'd say 'content' is king. you don't need to have good skills if you have content to draw and people like yours content

anyway skill still matters.you can go big like cutesexyrobutts if you're skilled enough. but keep in mind skilled doesn't mean good income. i've seen many artists that literally /beg/ and make tons meanwhile skilled artists just barely make income.

[Anonymous No.6510652]

>>6510646
pyw?

[Anonymous No.6510670]

>>6502783
>Just have solid fundies and start stylizing
NTA but what would you call solid fundies

[Anonymous No.6511819]

>>6510542
not even my problem here. certain places might require them before you can even sell in the first place, but i don't know if it's something that's actually followed by sellers. twitter artists like you would not understand.

[Anonymous No.6513493]

>>6508137
can you get me an in for graphic design? I don't know how people get ins

[Anonymous No.6516185]

>>6508738
>but not skilled white collar
Chatgtp says hello

[Anonymous No.6516188]

>>6516185
Yawn
Call me there's an actual result

[Anonymous No.6516951]

>>6500870
Harder than becoming a master.

[Anonymous No.6516961]

My planned business model was to provide a weekly dose of content in the form of a newspaper sized comic strip,which I can sell collated with bonus stuff,and merchandise based on my work,pic related is one. And I would be able to sell stuff forever since its made when ordered. But life thwarted that. If I can convince Etsy to not transmit an order to my tshirt manufacturer until the customer's money deposits into my account to cover the cost of its creation,then I can reopen my shop.

[Anonymous No.6517943]

>>6500870
I'd wager the percentage of beggars who earn more than artists is higher than the artists who earn more than beggars

[Anonymous No.6517967]

>>6516961
that is an awful shirt design, I literally wouldn’t buy it if I was living for your comic, learn some design

[Anonymous No.6518090]

Let's just be sincere ok
AI shit literally destroyed everything. In like 5 years the only hope you have to get a salary by drawing is working for a big company as a creative big gun, meaning you're a fucking monster. If you're still learning, or mediocre you've been already blown away.
I want to fucking die.

[Anonymous No.6518117]

>>6518090
good, kys retard

[Anonymous No.6518125]

>>6500870
Depends on so many factors and the kinds of jobs you're talking about, but generally it's tough.

You can work a non-art job and do art during your off time. It depends how badly you want it.

[Anonymous No.6518143]

anyone else has done consignment shops?