/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6477863]

just draw™ edition

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS wide using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
Read the sticky

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

PT: >>6474428

[Anonymous No.6477876]

>>6477868
yeah, I pushed the arm back on purpose. I make slight modifications to the pose so I can practice "inventing" even if it's just a little bit here and there.

[Anonymous No.6477885]

Draw this.

[Anonymous No.6477893]

>>6477863
Heh'd, good OP
>>6477885
No.

[Anonymous No.6477896]

>>6477885
I actually did (its my second time using soft brush i sware i am not that bad)

[Anonymous No.6477899]

>>6477896
Why are the lines on the cube so straight?

[Anonymous No.6477906]

The life drawing sessions alongside drawing often in general is kind of paying off, but the poses are getting more awkward now that I am trying to do dynamic one as a way to make my art significantly less stiff and more appealing. Is this sort of "clunky middle period" the norm for improving artists? Here's a doodle I did

[Anonymous No.6477907]

>>6477899
because it is a cube.

[Anonymous No.6477908]

>>6477899
i used the poligonal lasso tool in the places without gradation since it was not what interested me in the study

[Anonymous No.6477935]

Why is my coloring so fuckin ugly? Am I choosing the wrong values? I don’t know how saturated/dark the shadows should be compared to the light parts

[Anonymous No.6477943]

>>6477935
Changing to grayscale helps check values and light. If you still can't tell, then open the levels menu and crank that shit. If it all looks around the same value, you fucked and need more value diversity.

[Anonymous No.6477944]

>>6477935
I find it hard to do any kind of color/value work when the background already is the purest white.

[Anonymous No.6477991]

Any thoughts and critique on the pose and anatomy?
Is there a way to make this look better?

[Anonymous No.6478001]

>>6477906
Here's more before I go outside. It's not impressive and the faces are still kinda dogshit, but the fact that I draw figures from memory like this in barely 15/20 minutes is kind of impressive when only some weeks ago I was struggling way more. Drawing from life definitely helped me.

[Anonymous No.6478009]

does ms paint have soul?

[Anonymous No.6478040]

Frog and Gato :DDDD pastels

[Anonymous No.6478054]

I couldn't get a critique on the last thread so I'm posting again

[Anonymous No.6478080]

>>6478054
German boardgame vibes. The weakest part is the face which looks beg but I cant pinpoint it. I lile the cloth rendering

[Anonymous No.6478081]

>>6478080
Thanks, I think it's the nose, I redid it a few times while drawing and then just moved on
>German boardgame vibes
I'm glad, this is the feel I'm trying to go for since I'll be doing some more illustrations of napoleonic wars uniforms

[Anonymous No.6478082]

Any critique is welcome.

[Anonymous No.6478087]

>>6478082
It looks great anon, I think it'd be better if you coloured the lineart as well instead of only using pure black and also using a smaller brush size for the tip of the sword, otherwise great work!

[Anonymous No.6478088]

>>6477935
You are not beg or int. Why are you posting here?

[Anonymous No.6478091]

>>6478082
now draw a background

[Anonymous No.6478096]

>practice faces
>notice my main problem is drawing too small and not giving myself enough space
>draw bigger
>think things are going well
>it comes the eyes and i realise i still have zero space to draw the shapes of the eyelids and other details
>draw bigger
>same problem
i feel like i should just get the biggest pieces of paper i can find at this point

[Anonymous No.6478106]

>>6478088
kek

[Anonymous No.6478109]

>>6478082
>>6478054
hands

[Anonymous No.6478112]

Please I'm getting filtered by drawing clothes, drapery and folds. I feel like a literal retard with this subject, it's fucking driving me crazy. Anyone has a resource that teaches this clearly, simply and is dumb-dumb friendly

[Anonymous No.6478116]

>>6478112
it'll take a while anon, just remember tension points, wrapping around the form, the general shape are triangles that zigzag

[Anonymous No.6478123]

still working on this one. fucked up some things while trying to refine stuff, but progress is progress I suppose.

any tips for approaching a study like this are welcome!

[Anonymous No.6478138]

Is this convincing enough? There are little flaws with the hands and maybe the face but I can fix those digitally later.

[Anonymous No.6478139]

>>6478116
Yeah but I'm learning this following videos randomly that all have a different technique or theory. Any specific resource to point me to?

[Anonymous No.6478140]

>>6478138
the lamp is floating and the cushion is wrong

[Anonymous No.6478142]

>>6478139
>Any specific resource to point me to?
it won't be any different, it's like learning anatomy: each person has their method of going about it, you just have to meme around with them and sort of find either a blend or technique that suits you

[Anonymous No.6478148]

>>6478138
You done anything without heavy construction lately?

[Anonymous No.6478150]

>>6478148
dont crab gabe

[Anonymous No.6478156]

>>6478150
shut up not gabe

[Anonymous No.6478159]

>>6478150
I'm not. I've already seen all of his construction stuff. I want to see some intuition.

[Anonymous No.6478166]

I got a cheapo Wacom for my birthday and thought I'd start from the tutorials, but they without exception gloss over the actual drawing part.
I just want to learn the fundamentals so I can get anything out of practicing on my own - if I don't know what I'm aiming for I can't concentrate on practicing it.
I've heard "just draw" a lot, but first I need to get to the point where it counts as "drawing" and I can learn from my mistakes as well as know what I'm doing right.
It's kept me away from drawing for so long, and now I got a tablet as a present I really want to get over it, but I can't learn anything if I neither know what to do nor what to avoid.

[Anonymous No.6478167]

>>6478166
READ THE STICKY

[Anonymous No.6478174]

>>6478166
Except the sticky has the same fucking problem and I don't think reading it for the fifth time will change anything.
The sticky isn't the Ten Commandments, and if you keep pretending that it is, this board will never get better.

[Anonymous No.6478177]

>>6478174
And of course I meant to quote >>6478167.

[Anonymous No.6478188]

>>6478166
You need to avoid blog posting and overthinking it and do drawing. from my observations copy in any shape or form is always good bet except part where you forget how to draw not copy, and it's boring. worst is to get in to all this oc and mystyle rp before you even know how to draw.

[Anonymous No.6478199]

>>6478188
I agree with you, but I'm fairly sure that no one has ever learned the fundamentals by "just drawing".
Look at how long it took to get perspective right - thousands of years - and at how many artists have drawn how much before that.
I'm trying to learn to draw, which by definition means I don't know how to draw.

[Anonymous No.6478202]

Finished the cross hatching here, gonna do another watercolor now I think

[Anonymous No.6478203]

>>6478202
>watercolor
based

[Anonymous No.6478206]

>>6478199
Which book did ungobongo read?

[Anonymous No.6478213]

>>6478166
We really need a /scratch/ or /zero/ general for people who're literally starting from zero.
That, or a /therapy/ general for people who know they're overthinking it.

[Anonymous No.6478214]

>>6478206
the book of life.

[Anonymous No.6478219]

>>6478213
better to have them start threads and complain since the board is dead and the only new threads appearing are silicon valley techfags shilling ai

still, that overwhelmed feeling of not knowing how to draw or what to draw is normal, people in that state need to step back and just pick something and focus on it; overwhelmed and dont know what to draw today? focus on legs, hands, arms, faces, objects around you, try to tell stories using the room you're in as a perspective/environment guide

the moment people start actually drawing is the moment where the brain takes over and just does it without the need of much thought, it's always that initial step that fucks people over, with anything really

[Anonymous No.6478220]

>>6478213
I'm pretty sure /ic/ has tried this many times.

[Anonymous No.6478221]

>>6478148
Not really, in fact one of my biggest flaws is that I focus always on construction and using mannequins when I am drawing from imagination.

[Anonymous No.6478231]

>>6478199
If you interested in learning amd perspective then grab any book or course and follow it, perspective works the same and they all about the same. and do what they say to do.
if you want entertainment - doodle catgirls or battle scenes, result not need to be "good" it's entertainment. or mix both somehow.

[Anonymous No.6478244]

>>6478206
You're the one who knows the answer to that.
I've read Loomis and Right Side of the Brain twice now, and both times I got bounced back when I pointed out the content gap both books have between "draw the outline of an owl" and "draw the rest of the owl".
Loomis is without doubt a lot of help and fun when you've caught up, but I get bucked off after the first few faces because he starts assuming you're already past symbol drawing and most importantly that you know enough to correct your own mistakes.
Right Side is brilliant as a psychological/neurological work, but like Loomis the author assumes and assures too much - case in point, the Picasso exercise you're told you'll be amazed at (I noticed a faint difference while drawing and wanted to build on that, but the book had long run off on its own).

[Anonymous No.6478266]

>>6478219
I can already see the ">I was just pretending to be retarded ngmi kys" coming, but I find that putting my unreasonable fears/worries/defense mechanisms up on here really does help to put those things from my mind for long enough to get into the mood.
I'm juggling all sorts of therapy to do something about my overthinking and baked-in associations, just so it's said, but once in a while the only thing that works is to be told not just that you're wrong, but also why and how to be right.
I've also learnt as a GM that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, and that people who know the right answer also understand why you're asking for it.

[Anonymous No.6478269]

>>6477935
rape
>>6478009
no

[Anonymous No.6478276]

Any good art based discord servers?

[Anonymous No.6478277]

>>6478221
>doing what you're supposed to be doing is a flaw
nigga wat
do you think top tier artists don't have construction and shit in the back of their minds at all times

[Anonymous No.6478281]

>>6478266
worst thing is to get reliant on other people's encouragement and approval anon, do things for yourself, and if you question things or have self-doubt, just tell yourself you're being a pussy faggot and need to stop, take action rather than seeking another person's guidance; that's essentially what "just draw" means

[Anonymous No.6478283]

This has been shilled a lot but:
https://discord.gg/vVXu2BRd
>>6478276

[Anonymous No.6478289]

Something looks off but cant pinpoint it

[Anonymous No.6478299]

>>6478289
right (left) leg has such a different form it makes it look comically larger than the other

[Anonymous No.6478300]

So Im reading keys of drawing and this is the firts excersice, I have to admite it , is pretty fun do that.

[Anonymous No.6478301]

>>6478213
>we need to infinitely granulate the userbase so no one will ever interact with anyone better or worse than them
Fucking retarded man.

[Anonymous No.6478313]

Reference I used for >>6477148 and redraw from memory, I straighten everything up without realising

[Anonymous No.6478315]

>>6478313
idiot

[Anonymous No.6478317]

>>6478315

[Anonymous No.6478337]

>>6478299
Ah I see it. So weird that someone else has to point it out

[Anonymous No.6478346]

>>6478299
I tried to adjust it

[Anonymous No.6478347]

>>6478174
the sticky says to practice basic shapes and then work through a book on seeing.
Not exactly sure how this is complicated

[Anonymous No.6478352]

>>6478315
Very beg, but you have nice line art and ok grasp of volume.
Your weakest parts however, I'd say are proportions and gesture, work on those, as well as some master study tips.
For example, look at how curved her spine is, her entire body is arched in a C shape, yours is very stiff and straight, gesture will fix that. Also learn about master copy concepts like midpoints, level/plumb lines, negative space, and other such techniques, your head is in the completely wrong angle, the arm isn't foreshorted enough, and your legs are too long, all these are fixable with the proper copy techniques.

[Anonymous No.6478361]

>>6478346
it's better, just move on at this point

[Anonymous No.6478362]

>>6478352
Sorry I didn't make it clear but it was from memory after drawing it last night >>6478313
I mainly just wanted to post the reference because the legs
Thank you for the critique though some nice tips in there

[Anonymous No.6478384]

[Anonymous No.6478411]

I drew this design from a frontview and I can't for the life of me figure out how to make the tail and the big faulds(?), the drapey bits on the underside actually work together. The perfect spot for them always completely overlaps the tail and diminishes them both instead of working together, or ends up making them look chunky and weird. I've tried them long, short, around the sides, just the back, in 3 triangles, and I'm running out of ideas, they complete the silhouette so I don't want to axe them completely. I beg if anyone better than me could try a redline or give any suggestions, I just can't make the idea work in anything but a t-pose (And even in the t-pose they clash)

[Anonymous No.6478430]

Why are eyes so hard to get right

[Anonymous No.6478436]

>>6478430
i fucking hate drawing eyes that aren't cartoonish/anime, but the easiest method really is relying on perspective and knowing the skull, remember the shape of the eyeball itself and how it sits into the eyesocket

[Anonymous No.6478437]

>>6478430
Because they're embedded into the eye socket of the skull, and you're not thinking about that.

[Anonymous No.6478456]

[Anonymous No.6478457]

[Anonymous No.6478466]

[Anonymous No.6478499]

250 boxes done, gonna try out Loomis stuff until I move onto the next thing. His head method is not that bad when the head has no real features. Now if only I knew what skulls actually looked like, I could do something.

[Anonymous No.6478500]

>>6478499
I forgot the thing

[Anonymous No.6478517]

>>6478500
>>6478499
buy a skull from amazon. A cheap, small plastic model will do, but it must be medically accurate. The loomis method is literally impossible if you don't know the skull. You need a physical skull to hold and feel and draw from all angles.

[Anonymous No.6478523]

>>6477885

[Anonymous No.6478528]

[Anonymous No.6478529]

How long does it take to "backslide" in your experience?
It's not limited to drawing, but I've always had a phobia of forgetting or getting worse at things and it's really getting in the way of practicing.

I'm always scared that I'll backslide faster than I can get to practice, or that I'm locking myself into six hours of practice every day for years if I ever want to keep anything I've learned.

I know it's bogus, I just want to hear why and how it's bogus.

[Anonymous No.6478541]

>>6478517
>You need a physical skull
Danzig moment

Ok I'm off to either Amazon. Actually now that I think about it, I wonder if there are similar plastic animal skulls? My be helpful in the future if I'm designing a character and want something weird. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.6478544]

Do you do "sighting" for the perspective of stuff differently when drawing from reference on the computer?
I can't exactly measure everything by sticking out my hand and measuring it with the pen because I'm basically touching the screen by that point.
Obviously you can just objectively measure things but that feels like it's not using/learning the skill then.

[Anonymous No.6478551]

>>6478544
I'm literally measuring on the screen with my stylus.

[Anonymous No.6478553]

>>6478544
use comparative measuring

[Anonymous No.6478554]

>>6478541
>wasting money on an actual skull
baka
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/the-anatomy-of-the-human-skull-baf6ac7b781a46218dca2b59dee58817

[Anonymous No.6478556]

>>6478529
Can't lose something you never had.

[Anonymous No.6478557]

>>6477885
Thank you Mr Dunn, for all the ink rendering skills a burgeoning shape respecter could want

[Anonymous No.6478558]

>>6478554
Thank you for this useful tool, I'm gonna probably use this more than the model skull but the model skull gives me an excuse to have a badass skull on my shelf

[Anonymous No.6478559]

>>6478541
Get a skull! It's only 10 dollars

>>6478554
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6478572]

>>6478529
rape

[Anonymous No.6478573]

>>6478556
But you can lose something you've struggled for months to get, and that's what bugs me.
And then it's all uphill again, except not only do you have to relearn everything, you also have to overcome bad habits and muscle memory.

You can't be expected to work for something that'll never truly be yours to keep.

[Anonymous No.6478575]

>>6478559
cope and seethe

[Anonymous No.6478576]

>>6478528
>>6478572

[Anonymous No.6478577]

[Anonymous No.6478583]

>>6478554
Not drawing from life is the ultimate indicator of ngmi.

[Anonymous No.6478584]

[Anonymous No.6478585]

>>6478544
just measure it and scale up the size if you're going to be drawing on pc
artists in the past would've done the same if they had the means so you shouldn't ignore them just because most art teaching methods are based on the pre-digital era.
Just don't trace and you'll still learn

[Anonymous No.6478594]

>>6478573
What is there to relearn? The fundamentals has not changed since last time you quit.

[Anonymous No.6478597]

>>6478594
Have you ever forgotten anything in your life?
There's so many intricate techniques and so much muscle memory involved in drawing that you only have to forget one thing for the rest to stop working.

[Anonymous No.6478599]

>>6478584
That's pretty cool, I like the atmosphere, could I request a version with a less saturated ground?

[Anonymous No.6478601]

>>6478573
It reads like you're just trying to find reasons not to start.
If you learned it the first time the neuronal pathways are already there and they will -not- degrade.
You don't "backslide" you just get rusty, a period of practice and you'll be roughly back where you were before. Yes, even decades down the line.
The more you use your skills, the less they rust while you're away. A beginner may have to relearn everything years later but it'll still be way easier.

[Anonymous No.6478603]

Wtf why is looking up the world's hardest angle? Man it felt like drawing a completely different thing

[Anonymous No.6478604]

>>6478603
yep good practice tho.

[Anonymous No.6478606]

>>6478572
>>6478576
not allowed!

[Anonymous No.6478607]

>>6478597
That's not how the brain works, it remembers by association. Think what you like to fit what you want to do though you'll find another excuse anyway

[Anonymous No.6478609]

>>6478603
one point, line, angle at a time, anon. Be patient

[Anonymous No.6478622]

>drew for 8 hours a day for a week straight, felt great, couldn't stop drawing
>take 4-5 days off because partner needed me, stressful time etc
>draw again
>feels hard to do

Fucking ugh

[Anonymous No.6478631]

>>6478583
>>6478559
Elaborate why using a 3d model is bad

[Anonymous No.6478634]

>>6478622
You don't actually get much more gains from 8 hours a day compared to 3-4 hours

[Anonymous No.6478644]

>>6477885
Here

[Anonymous No.6478654]

>>6478607
I'll have to make sure to prove you wrong, then.

[Anonymous No.6478657]

>>6478622
this isn't exclusive to art, it's like going back to the gym after not lifting for a week - it's gonna feel like a chore at first, and you probably won't be hitting any PRs until a few days back

[Anonymous No.6478660]

>>6477991
idk something about the position of the foot and the jackhammer is wrong. Is each on one cheek? Check the perspective. Otherwise great!

[Anonymous No.6478662]

>>6478634
What makes you say that? I've seen artists say that you should be doing 6+ hours to see real improvements.
>>6478657
You're right about that anon. I've been going for 2h and it's slowly getting easier again, at least mentally. Hand still feels stiff

[Anonymous No.6478667]

>>6478631
In my experience, I tried to learn to draw an accurate pelvis from imagination for several months. I even started a whole general about it, the /skeleton/ general, but even after 3 months of drawing from the 3d model, I couldn't make it work.

Fast forward, I bought a plastic pelvis model from amazon, and within a couple days, I got it. All the information that was too clumsy to get in the 3d model, I could immediately feel and touch with my fingers. All the angles, thicknesses, and curvature was right there.

You don't need a physical model for every bode, you just need it for the difficult bones, like the pelvis and skull. Probably the hands and feet bone too

[Anonymous No.6478669]

>>6478634
crab

[Anonymous No.6478702]

>>6478662
>>6478669
There's only so much information your brain can gain in a day. While I admit I did pull 3-4 hours out my ass there comes a point where you're just wasting your time.
http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/matters/benefits-of-sleep/learning-memory
Also highly recommend reading Make it Stick for effective studying

[Anonymous No.6478704]

>>6478702
>There's only so much information your brain can gain in a day
isn't it theoretically possible to increase that amount over time, by building mental stamina and discipline? And isn't the way to do that is by constantly pushing yourself?

[Anonymous No.6478710]

>>6478704
One of the best ways to kill motivation is by jumping into high water. When I first started drawing I not only didn't know what I was doing, had high aspirations for what I want to draw with no skills, and thought I could draw for many hours a day. It's important to pace yourself, and yes to your question, you can reach a point when you can keep increasing your workload.

[Anonymous No.6478726]

>>6477896
Nice, colors could be more distinct I think I see some weird gradients.

>>6478523
nice rotation bro, same as above your color scale can be better to yield better results.

>>6478557
I think he said in cross hatching stroke consistency is above anything, I like the value range
>>6478644
learn vanishing points, don't trust your cripple woodworking teacher from industrial design.

[Anonymous No.6478730]

>>6478704
>Learning is at least a three- step process: initial encoding of
information is held in short- term working memory before being consolidated into a cohesive representation of knowledge in long- term memory. Consolidation reorganizes and stabilizes memory traces, gives them meaning, and makes connections to past experiences and to other knowledge already stored in long- term memory. Retrieval updates learning and enables you to apply it when you need it.
>Learning always builds on a store of prior knowledge. We
interpret and remember events by building connections to
what we already know. Long- term memory capacity is virtually limitless: the more
you know, the more possible connections you have for adding
new knowledge.
>Because of the vast capacity of long- term memory, having
the ability to locate and recall what you know when you need
it is key; your facility for calling up what you know depends
on the repeated use of the information (to keep retrieval routes
strong) and on your establishing powerful retrieval cues that
can reactivate the memories.

The "everyday" part is far more important in "x time everyday"

[Anonymous No.6478737]

So I've been doing Bridgman and found it hard to just draw the figures straight up. Should I be doing the gesture before doing the forms? He doesn't really say anything about it(i've been mostly ignoring the text desu)

[Anonymous No.6478749]

>>6478737
Read and understand it.

[Anonymous No.6478750]

>>6478737
Accuracy comes with time and effort, anon. Gesture will help, but it's more helpful to keep copying Bridgman. Feel Free to copy the book multiple times, actually. I've been drawing from it for 7 years now.

[Anonymous No.6478751]

>>6477885
Can someone explain to a brainlet why in the spheres cast shadow, the bottom edges of the cube are so much darker? I get that there's ambient occlusion but why is there so much of it? Shouldn't it just be a thin dark line?

[Anonymous No.6478752]

>>6478737
post work, I'm doing bridgman right now, it is a simple book if you don't know to look for, its complex if you really know your stuff, thats why I'm following marshall's bootcamp for free on yt.

The only advice i can give with you with out any further knownledge is to get to know the 3 masses, head, chest, hips simplify them as boxes, put attention on natural tilt/asymmetry in body.

[Anonymous No.6478758]

>>6478082
>skewed head
>hands
>anatomy
>perspective
Otherwise it's decent.

[Anonymous No.6478781]

>>6478751
Because it is in shadow which means that even less light reaches it, it's the same thing right underneath the sphere
You shouldn't overthink shit like that just slap some AO down with a soft brush and move on

[Anonymous No.6478789]

Am I making a bruh moment when I don't really grind anything in particular? I just do a ton of figure drawings but that's really it, I never focus on any particular part of the body.

[Anonymous No.6478809]

>>6478751
Something about less opportunity for enough light to be reflected just right. Every surface light hits reflects light, and there's just no surface facing the corner to reflect light into it.

[Anonymous No.6478815]

>>6478781
>>6478809
I guess it depends on the conditions then, thanks

[Anonymous No.6478824]

>>6478789
you're fine. You could be progressing faster by focusing, though. David Finch recommends 30 mins of gesture drawing, then studying whatever you need to be focusing on for the rest of the day

[Anonymous No.6478847]

Can tracing be used as a learning tool?

[Anonymous No.6478850]

>>6478847
Yes if you are trying to understand what the original artist was trying to do. You should be "feeling" how the original artist made the lines. Other than that I don't recommend it

[Anonymous No.6478869]

>>6478847
Only if you are tracing your own work

[Anonymous No.6478883]

Do you think there's any downside to learning art theory before you're ever gonna use it?
I'm between novels at the moment so I thought I might start reading some as my bedtime reading, I won't change my planned out practice which is all pretty basic skills.

[Anonymous No.6478884]

Is there a name for this specific style? I want to draw like this and I'm looking for reference pics that aren't just the ED of SnK season 1.

[Anonymous No.6478888]

>>6478883
I think you're gonna not know what the fuck you're doing once you start needing to use those methods. I think the idea is use theory AND practice

[Anonymous No.6478889]

>>6478884
anime

[Anonymous No.6478894]

>>6478883
I don't there is any harm in reading art theory, but I don't know how much you'll retain unless you put the theory into practice.

[Anonymous No.6478901]

>>6478889
Ha ha. Real answers please.

[Anonymous No.6478909]

>>6478884
Colored pencil sketches?

[Anonymous No.6478914]

Hi beg!

>>6478847
I didnt understand the issue of tracing until i read the nicolaides book which even makes you trace your own gesture and contour studies in few exercises: if beg just starts to mindlessly trace they will do it mechanically. This means they wont think about gesture, line of action, forms or anything. This has two effects: they dont learn anything from it and the traced drawing will be so stiff higher begs will rightfully accuse you of tracing
>>6478789
>figure drawings dont count as study or grind
Lol. With each figure you are getting better at drawing human beans
>>6478704
>building discipline
There is only so much discipline one can achieve before they burn out and either stop (normie style), get extremely jaded and start shitposting on ic(4chan style) or jump from tall office building (japan style)
>>6478577
the feet dont match the quality of the rest of the drawing. still pretty cool one
>>6478529
less overthinking bullshit more drawing
>>6478457
soul. Still anon, INVEST into your hobby and get pure white paper. You deserve it
>>6478411
i cant help you but its very appealing character design to me
>>6478346
COOM
>>6478276
the most active most based server: neo beg https://discord.gg/gnV7UHNd
>>6478166
i dont understand your reasoning. Gesture > contour > lineart > rendering. Thats it. You can follow course or book for guidance or just draw whatever you like. What do you struggle with exactly? Right brain book is very barebones BEG book. Try keys to drawing or Drawing for the utter beginner (which i am doing now). Its very detailed in the instructions and to the point.
>>6478123
i have no tips only good luck wish. It is coming out nicely. Dont forget about half visible booba under the robes, most important part of drawing
>>6478112
https://archive.org/details/The_Natural_Way_To_Draw_by_Kimon_Nicolaides/page/123
>>6478096
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/70
>>6478040
:D
>>6478883
waste of time if you dont practice the theory

[Anonymous No.6478927]

Does anyone know of a good articulated action model to draw from? There's a couple on Amazon and they come with swords and Glocks which is badass but they're like 6in tall. Figured someone here might know a good one. Was going to get back into gunpla for this purpose but holy fucking shit dude, like 20-30 for HG kits now.

[Anonymous No.6478929]

>>6478315
tf am i looking at

>>6478430
because the head is not a ball

[Anonymous No.6478932]

>>6477943
I tried fixing it up but it still looks off. I think I'm just shit at rendering

[Anonymous No.6478933]

>>6478430
you are not following loomis some ideas are there but not all, go back and compare his model with what you have.

[Anonymous No.6478936]

>>6478932
what is it that you don't like? what arent you happy with?

[Anonymous No.6478941]

Hello,
Can I get some feedback on my shading here?
I don't draw / know to much about art but I'm trying to make a template with these three colors. I think the highlighting needs work specifically.

[Anonymous No.6478942]

picked up the pencil for the first time in a week and was inspired to draw a new subject

[Anonymous No.6478944]

>>6478914
you grind too much bro. have you considered a different kind of grind?

like sit down and write down ten drawing ideas that interest you and make ten unique drawings? you can apply the same rigor you do to the grindy studies you do but to actual drawings

[Anonymous No.6478948]

>>6478942
nice anon, if you cant check john muir laws I think you will dig it.

>>6478941
vary the width of the line art in some edges, line weight is a powerful tool that doesnt need an extra color if you want to keep your constraint of 3 colors. Another thing no everything needs to be symmetrical for example the highlight can be thinner on the top or can be a curve play around.

>>6478914
if you are having fun and its not a bother keep doing what you're doing, but from the past few threads I'm with >>6478944 time to move on.

[Anonymous No.6478957]

>>6478300
it IS fun! honestly you’d be surprised how much you can learn and improve simply from drawingng what you see in front of you. whether it be in your physical space or a reference image.

[Anonymous No.6478967]

>>6478948

for >>6478941
I just filled out someone else's line art. I guess I'll have some fun working with line weights. From what I researched its just varying thickness of the line? I
s the general idea to have wider lines on darker areas or is there more things to consider?

[Anonymous No.6478993]

>>6477885
Tried it with some colored pencils

[Anonymous No.6479004]

>>6478967
>From what I researched its just varying thickness of the line?
varying the thickness of the line in a sensible way to achieve certain effect feeling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU

[Anonymous No.6479013]

>>6478929
>tf am i looking at
the ideal female body, you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like

[Anonymous No.6479015]

>>6478993
Soul.
Working on this again. I think I fixed her back. Next I’ll need to work on the lighting.

[Anonymous No.6479034]

Trying to get away from only copying text books and actually do some real stuff
proportions are hard

[Anonymous No.6479038]

>>6479034
land marking will help you, try to see it before drawing it.

[Anonymous No.6479043]

>>6478936
everything looks washed out and lifeless

[Anonymous No.6479044]

>>6479043
too scared to use higher saturation and darker values

[Anonymous No.6479045]

>>6478932
You are in-between painterly and cartoon

The gooey oil effect is not the most appealing style.

There is a nice watery ness in the face thoigh

Check out Bulma character sheet
The color sheets from nausicaa comic

Really any water color siiff from gianax artists for ref

The other approach would be to re-line this drawing and color it more in the style you would see in animation to simplify and figure out what direction you want to go in. Do this like it would be a complete frame full color totally clean.

If you are looking for a style coming up with shit that takes a while that you think too much about and are overall underwhelmed by is part of it.

But this looks good don't sweat it

[Anonymous No.6479054]

[Anonymous No.6479058]

>>6479043
I don't know, i see the colors fine you have the right idea (the blue in the neck is indicative of this), maybe add some red hint to bright up the face (blush), I do think that your shape design could be better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90 , but I don't think >>6479044 suggestion would do any better, Of course I could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.6479061]

I drew the boxes.

[Anonymous No.6479066]

>>6479038
Not that anon, but what do you mean by "land marking"?

[Anonymous No.6479082]

>>6479066
any feature of the body that is easily seen and recognized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92TslbUriMg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpH8T2CRlLI

[Anonymous No.6479109]

>>6479054
very nice, each character is recognizable, but feels stiff and not a fan of the general composition, think about the storytelling what shenanigans could be happening thant involve those 3?

[Anonymous No.6479131]

Birb

[Anonymous No.6479138]

>>6478933
Am I here to draw or am I here to copy Loomis

[Anonymous No.6479144]

>>6479138
this sounds like naive coping, useful quote, To break the rules you must first master them.

[Anonymous No.6479157]

redline me

[Anonymous No.6479180]

>>6477863
I have no idea what im doing, yet, i draw

[Anonymous No.6479183]

>>6479180
Also, more random stuff i try doing

Drew this in my math textbook today, inspired off of Tatsuki Fujimoto's art style in blue pen

Im really just experimenting here

[Anonymous No.6479194]

>>6479082
>any feature of the body that is easily seen and recognized.
this is worst description of it. is leg is landmark? how about mouth or dick? but I'm sure videos will explain what this about, so credits for that

[Anonymous No.6479201]

>>6479144
How about you master my dick

[Anonymous No.6479210]

>>6479180
I thought this was Exercise A in what you were never, ever, ever supposed to do - practice things without knowing the theory.
On one hand, I hear "just draw", and on the other I hear "what the fuck are you doing, Loomis, RSotB, Vilppu twice each, then you can start doodling".

[Anonymous No.6479214]

>>6479131
Eye too high, most bird eyes are aligned with the beak
You are treating feathers as fur or hair, do not draw each feather individually
Learn basic feather anatomy and flow
Pic rel not an eagle but same concept apply , this is how features sit on the face in different sections

[Anonymous No.6479219]

>>6479210
please don’t be retarded. every great artist has reached a point where the only way they improved was by just drawing and improving upon their own mistakes.

for some that is from day one. the books and teachings you mentioned are only for disciplined people who can reliably draw for fun WHILE studying those books.

if you only spend time doing grindy exercises you’re already doomed

[Anonymous No.6479222]

>>6479219
Thanks for coming out and saying that instead of going into defensive maneuvers like so many others.
That was the main hurdle I had to get over - the idea that you need to know the fundamentals before you can even spot and fix your own errors.
I really want to sit down and draw most of all, but it's been freaking me for such a long time to imagine spending months on teaching myself bad habits and then giving up when I realize I have to start from scratch again.

[Anonymous No.6479226]

>>6479219
Part of the problem is that both Loomis and RSotB promise to teach you how to draw for fun, so they're easy to misunderstand as hard requirements you need to master before you can get anything out of practicing alone.

[Anonymous No.6479232]

>>6479226
have seen people complain that both books hit a “draw the rest of the owl” spot and it’s just like… how afraid are you of drawing something bad? do you really need your hand held that hard your whole life?

the insecure adults that show up to this thread astound me

[Anonymous No.6479235]

>>6479232
It's not being afraid of drawing something bad, it's wanting to know how to get past being bad because the book doesn't teach you.

It's also not wanting to waste other people's patience with you diddling your own navel yet getting nowhere, when that effort could have gone to making a legitimate difference for others.

[Anonymous No.6479236]

>>6479232
There's a difference between drawing something bad and smearing shit on the walls.
Failure is only valuable as a way to success, because otherwise you've already given up on trying.

[Anonymous No.6479242]

>>6479232
I strongly doubt that you drew the rest of the owl without any help.

[Anonymous No.6479245]

>>6479235
And if they can’t see that drawing the rest of the fucking owl over and over is the only way they are retarded

[Anonymous No.6479248]

>>6479245
First they need to have somewhere to start.

[Anonymous No.6479249]

>>6479245
>>6479248
If someone can draw the rest of the owl on their own, they already know how to draw.

[Anonymous No.6479251]

Reading books and watching videos wont make up for you avoiding putting pencil to paper.

[Anonymous No.6479252]

the anguish of depression and the blank page

[Anonymous No.6479254]

the anguish of depression and the blank page.

[Anonymous No.6479256]

>>6479254
If this is yours then fantastic job, straight up good work.

[Anonymous No.6479262]

>>6479248
>>6479249
that’s like saying that you need a fucking book to describe how to take every single step when running a fucking mile
>to run you place one foot forward and use it to propel yourself forward
>then catch yourself with your other foot which also is used to propel yourself forward
>repeat and you are running
>try doing this for a mile
>”OH NOW IM JUST SUPPOSED TO RUN THE REST OF THE FUCKING MILE THANKS. ANYONE HAVE A BOOK THAT WILL ACKSHUALLY TEACH ME HOW TO RUN??”

[Anonymous No.6479270]

on one hand /ic/ benefit people it provide literature and such concepts as study on other hand it scares the shit of people by making them realize how complex enormous know knowledge mountain and instead of drawing orcs shooting at helicopters they sit and afraid of drawing fucking owl somehow wrong because it will be over and useless and the end of everything

[Anonymous No.6479274]

>>6479262
You could have come up with so many better metaphors for that.
It's more like being taught how to run and then being expected to learn the rest of the triathlon by yourself.
Every step in drawing is different and you know that.
You might be able to draw everything but the feathers, but until you learn how to draw those feathers it's not going to be an owl and you're not going to draw better feathers if you don't know how to better your own work.

It took literal thousands of years for all of humanity's artists combined to find out how to draw perspective correctly.
Assuming that you hold the collective genius of humanity in your head and that you can succeed at anything without help as long as you just try sounds a fair bit like a psychopathic mindset to me.

[Anonymous No.6479276]

>>6479274
Whatever helps you feel better about not drawing the rest of the owl, pussy!

[Anonymous No.6479277]

>>6479256

it is; thanks anon. ive been feeling the depression madly and i guess it just came out in that artwork today

[Anonymous No.6479278]

>>6479262
This would really be a lot more convincing if you could post your own progress from "drawing some lines" to "drawing the rest of the owl".
One of the most basic truths of the universe is that you can't create something from nothing.
You learned how to draw the rest from somewhere, but that hurts your ego and teaching other people risks them becoming better than you.

[Anonymous No.6479279]

>>6479276
That post sure made you feel better about it yourself, at least.

[Anonymous No.6479318]

[Anonymous No.6479321]

Trying to draw Zoot Horn Rollo/Bill Harkleroad. First try.

[Anonymous No.6479324]

>>6479321
Reference

[Anonymous No.6479329]

>>6479321
This is why actual beginners get completely destroyed when they try looking for help in the so-called beginner general.
You're not a beginner, you're already into intermediate - you're obviously tweaking parts on your own and you obviously know how to fix your mistakes while drawing.

Most of the "whiners" in this thread only want to get to where you are, so they can actually start drawing anything without having to put down the pen and look up tutorials for every single part.

[Anonymous No.6479349]

trying to break out of my shell and do studies that are a bit more meaningful, or that have more substance than a pure line head or something

i think it's pretty pleasing to look at; obviously heavily referenced/inspired but still..

[Anonymous No.6479353]

>>6479329
are you ducking serious? what skill level are you at that you don’t think that’s beginner? it barely looks like the guy and there are no real details. anyone could get that if they were putting in honest effort after only a couple days…

[Anonymous No.6479358]

>>6479353
That's what I've been told countless times, and every time I've come away with nothing.
I guarantee you that if you took 100 random non-artists and had them all practice on their own for a week, only about 15% would have gotten to that point, and even then it would be restricted to one single face from one single angle.

If he's a beginner, then where did he learn to draw more than a stick figure?
When you're starting from scratch, it really hurts to be told that "everyone can do it after a few days" when you tried just that thrice and your last try was worse than the first one.

[Anonymous No.6479359]

>>6479329
lol that is pure beg what the fuck

[Anonymous No.6479362]

>>6479358
Anon... Do you realize "beginner" doesn't mean "picked up a pencil 5 minutes ago? Even 1 year of experience is basically a begginer.

[Anonymous No.6479363]

>>6479358
hello new resident perma-beg schizo. go make a /zero/ thread or whatever you were suggesting

[Anonymous No.6479369]

>>6479362
Then where do the people who want to start from scratch go?

[Anonymous No.6479371]

>>6479359
And that's why I'm here - to ask people how you graduate from being a beginner.

[Anonymous No.6479386]

>>6479371
You don't.
>>6479369
The sticky or just draw. The choice is yours.

[Anonymous No.6479408]

>>6479386
The sticky isn't magic and you should know that.
Instead of shitting on people when the sticky doesn't magically teach them how to draw, try figuring out what's wrong with the sticky first.

[Anonymous No.6479413]

>>6479157

[Anonymous No.6479416]

>>6479358
Anon you need to get out of perma begdom immediately. The moment you start whining that other begs are actually int it shows us that you're not only deep in self-loathing, you're also digging.

>>6479369
>Then where do the people who want to start from scratch go?

Read the sticky. Learn to draw basic shapes and to observe. Draw what you see, not what you think you see. "Oh I cant draw a circle" "oh I cant even make a straight line" then learn to. Practice with purpose.

It is normal to not see right away where your drawing is going wrong. Post your work here as you go so we can help.

[Anonymous No.6479428]

>>6479416
I'm this touched off because I've done all those things without effect, while others ostensibly practice for two days and get to >>6479321 from scratch.
If it'd been normal to not see any improvement after a few days I'd have a lot more initiative to try, but what I hear is that "anyone" would see immediate and permanent improvement every day if they're starting from scratch.

[Anonymous No.6479435]

>>6478583
says who, some random beginner on a cartoon website?
lmao I'd rather listen to actual professionals that say that drawing from life or photos are both perfectly acceptable

[Anonymous No.6479449]

>>6479329
I get the sentiment, I've never felt like it would be useful to post my beginner work in here but the /int/ posters in here is just a consequence of the rest of the board not having any good general critique thread.
If you make one yourself just for your work you get all the 'hilarious' troll replies so people who want feedback stick to this thread.
Kinda naturally that leads to /int/ posts being the bulk of the thread but that's presumably better than /beg/ being separate and without any useful critique

[Anonymous No.6479450]

trying to draw something other than a character floating on a white background for once, and it is hard.

[Anonymous No.6479457]

>>6479450
>draws character floating in a floatie on a blue background

[Anonymous No.6479458]

>>6479450
I've been trying to break myself out of that paradigm by drawing characters over photographs, and having them interact with the environment there. I'm not sure if it is the best solution, but it is an idea at least.

[Anonymous No.6479464]

>>6479457
there's an object there okay, the character is being grounded by something else that exists within a "scene" !!
baby steps !!

>>6479458
this might be a fun idea, thank you!

[Anonymous No.6479466]

you need to enjoy it or get in to grindset. in first case stop complaining and have fun, or in later case stop complaining and do every exercise and copy every picture no matter what, no matter what you think about it every day. If you have neither then stop be annoying and find something else to do.

[Anonymous No.6479468]

>>6477935
I'll do paintover once I'm done with some commissions today you look like you actually could benefit from a proper crit
If you have discord I can show you what I mean and explain in screeshare and VC

[Anonymous No.6479476]

>>6479466
The problem is that not knowing whether my best efforts will ever pay off in the slightest is keeping me from enjoying it.
I'm pretty sure you'd find it hard to work if you didn't know if you were even getting paid - you'd probably go up to ask your boss, and if he shat on you for even asking and told you "raises only come to those who don't ask for them", you might even get a tad bitter towards ever working again.

[Anonymous No.6479484]

>>6479408
Never read it don't care.

[Anonymous No.6479487]

>>6478932
I'll paintover this one since it looks bit better
>>6478082
Her feet are not placed properly on a ground plane, if you figure that out that will lead you to solving 90 percent of your problems.
You need to take a reference picture for those hands because those are fucked rn, as well as the arms. The arm holding the sword is collapsing inward too much making it look weird. For being a woman, she has a man sized hips, I feel like her hips should be significantly wider. The belts lack thickness and look a bit flat. The gesture looks all right for most of the torso until the legs. The bent leg should be bent more, and the far arm isn't foreshortening right.

tl;dr neeeds moar Loomis

[Anonymous No.6479494]

>>6479369
Idk what's wrong with posting your work here even if it sucks, who cares if other /beg/s are supposedly better? Less complaining more drawing, anon

[Anonymous No.6479495]

>>6479408
Lot of interesting topics in here. Check this out, I found a whole section in the sticky just for you.

[Anonymous No.6479497]

>>6479476
imagine if you put all the effort you put into obsessively bitching in this thread into drawing.

[Anonymous No.6479499]

>>6479495
>Mistake 1: Not doing stuff
>Mistake 2: doing too much
great work guys

[Anonymous No.6479504]

>>6479499
Safe to assume you don't need to worry about mistake 2.

[Anonymous No.6479507]

>>6479476
To some extend it inevitably will do. from my observations and it make sense everyone get some result after a while. and statistically it most likely will be a great result because this is how concept of greatness works. I do not know what kind of pay off grantee you expect. there non other then you will make some kind of pictures as result of process

[Anonymous No.6479508]

>>6479507
>most likely will be a great
"not", not a great I mean

[Anonymous No.6479527]

>>6479464
ur just missing the cast shadows that's why she looks floaty.

[Anonymous No.6479528]

Someone draw something shitty so I can redline it. I need to soothe my ego.

[Anonymous No.6479535]

>>6479507
I just want to get a result I can keep building on, one that hasn't vanished like the morning dew after I miss two days of practice.
I just want to be heading upwards and be able to see it, without panicking about "will I still be able to do this tomorrow".
I just want to be able to open my sketchbook and see only things I can still draw, not reminders of how far I've fallen how fast.

[Anonymous No.6479546]

Is ctrl+paint the best thing we've got for learning purely on the computer?
All of the beginner books want me to be buying different pencils and sketchpads and then drawing what I'm looking at. But if I'm on pc I'm only ever looking at the screen

[Anonymous No.6479548]

>>6479535
Okay dude, stop bitching and post your work. Are you working hard and getting 0 results or are you not working at all in fear of not getting results?

If you show us your work we can troubleshoot together and see wtf is going on

[Anonymous No.6479556]

>>6479548
I just got a tablet after years of not drawing, but the times I did buckle down and draw I managed to get every single exercise wrong.
I figured digital would be better than paper because I don't have to deal with my failures staring back at me every time I open my sketchbook and telling me "this is all you'll ever amount to".

[Anonymous No.6479557]

>>6479321
>>6479329
>>6479449
>>6479353
>>6479358
>>6479359
>>6479362
>>6479363
>>6479369
>>6479371
Zoot Horn Rollo/Beefheart Anon here. What a shitshow. Im flattered that you think I'm not /beg/, but that's still incorrect, and I'm not willing to lie to myself. I generally get no reaction for my art, so for this opportunity, a drawing of Don Van Vliet. If you decide it's not /beg/ level then I will officially leave this general and never post in it again.

[Anonymous No.6479563]

>>6479528
Help yourself, soothe my selflessness by soothing your ego.

[Anonymous No.6479567]

>>6479556
show work

[Anonymous No.6479568]

>>6479557
If you're a beginner, what is everyone worse than you?
Nothing?

At least you can choose what you want to try to draw, and at least you can fix your own mistakes.

[Anonymous No.6479573]

>>6479568
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6479576]

>>6479556

Dude stop fucking crying omg. Half this thread is giving you good advice and you're still going on a "oh poor me, my drawings are a crime against nature". If the act of drawing is not rewarding enough fucking give up.

First mistake is going straight to digital. If you don't have the muscle memory and hand-eye coordination to draw clean lines and shapes on paper digital is going to fuck you in the ass.

I know in this house we have a love/hate relationship with Draw a Box, but you should take pen and some paper, get off the internet and practice some lines/circles, copy some stuff to practice observation and accuracy.

Hand-eye coordination is not going to fall from the sky and penetrate your soul, you need to work on it.

[Anonymous No.6479587]

>>6479557
It fucking sucks that a permabeg hijacked your replies.

You are a beginner, but you're practicing from photos and that's great. Consider working from big shapes to smaller ones and draw what you see. There's this S shape on his hair framing his face that you completely ignored.

Keep going. I see that you're drawing with pen and using references, that's a good path and if you stick to it you'll see great improvement in no time.

[Anonymous No.6479589]

>>6479568
Having the drive to fix your mistakes is something that comes not from expertise but from an intrinsic desire to do better. Your issue is not that you do not know how to draw, but that you seem to not know how to learn something new.

Just start drawing. Copy and study art that seems well made to you. There are lots of names dropped on this board. Get curious and google one of those names, see if the art interests you. If it doesn't google another name, and see how that goes.

We are just anons, we are not trained in pedagogy. Everyone's learning journey will be different, and none of us have the understanding of art education that is necessary to hold your hand and walk you through your journey. All we can do is point you towards resources we have found helpful, and provide tips and critique when we feel qualified.

Just draw and have fun, anon. Don't sweat it so much.

[Anonymous No.6479600]

>>6479428
post work, if you can/want draw >>6477885 a fast sketch not more than 10 minutes. Too many words too little work posted.

[Anonymous No.6479601]

>>6479589
I don't want to snap back at you because you're talking sense, but "just start drawing" seems incompatible with "but start out by copying".
Trying to copy off one artist until you know if it sticks or not easily takes up two to three weeks of surplus.

[Anonymous No.6479604]

>>6479601
Oh, I only suggest copying because anon had made comments about having no idea what to draw, that they just can't come up with anything.

As an absolute beginner copying is a good place to start if you have no ideas, is all I meant. If anon has ideas he can just draw those too imo. I just think anon needs to draw something, anything will honestly do at this point. He sounds like he is in a bad rut and needs to start enjoying the act of drawing so that he can properly commit to learning.

Sorry if I miscommunicated anything or have bad advice!

[Anonymous No.6479620]

>>6479568
Maybe it's because I'm an ESL, but I really haven't completely understood your question. My art is only good once in a blue moon, and I can only draw what I'm passionate about. I can't even draw a full body, man.
>>6479587
Thank you for your feedback. I'm glad for any reaction regarding my art, but especially for these kind of messages reaffirming me that I'm on the right path.

[Anonymous No.6479644]

>>6479318
Is this a legit excercise like picrel, or is drawing owls a meme?

[Anonymous No.6479651]

>>6479644
Legit exercise. It is best done as a still life, tho.

try working in stages. First lines only, then black and white, then in color, then in color with some colored paper around to practice bouncing light.

[Anonymous No.6479660]

>>6479644
that box is killing me

[Anonymous No.6479662]

>>6479604
It's not that I can't come up with anything I want to draw, it's that I can't think of anything I want to draw I can work towards at this level.
If nothing else, I've doodled enough on the tablet by now to calm myself down a bit - when I say "doodles", I mean words and not pictures, but if familiarity is the only way to start at least I'm not struggling with the basic operations like I was fearing.

On top of that, being able to save, erase, undo and copy without interrupting what I'm doing, ruining the sketch or running out of drawing supplies is taking so much off my mind - those were the main things frustrating me about pencil and paper.

>>6479620
I was being a bit cranky, but what I meant was "if /beg/ is for people at your skill level, then what do you do if you're below that level?"
I really don't give a shit about drawing "well" - I just want to get to the point where I have a choice as to what I want to draw.

[Anonymous No.6479663]

>>6479660
Sorry m8. Not mine, grabbed it off google since my own is still posted in another thread

[Anonymous No.6479667]

why are faces so hard to draw REEE
I keep making the same mistakes as well. Might unironically be time for me to revisit Loomis

[Anonymous No.6479683]

>>6479667
God, I'd pay half my savings to get to your level, you're gonna make it

[Anonymous No.6479684]

>>6479662
>if /beg/ is for people at your skill level, then what do you do if you're below that level?
/beg/ is not necessarily my level, and I am not necessarily on the level of /beg/. Stop overthinking it. I just use the general to have feedback on my art. Really unexpected to hear somebody saying that I'm not shit. Continue to use this general with no shame, man. Don't think that you're somehow not up to standards for a fucking 4chan thread. I wish i could see your stuff and say something good about it, because from what I'm seeing you really need somebody to tell you that you are good at drawing.

>I really don't give a shit about drawing "well" - I just want to get to the point where I have a choice as to what I want to draw.
First, I also don't want to draw a perfect picture,("polished turd") because there are more important factors in art to me. Second, i can't really draw what I want either. I wanted to draw an illustration to Beefheart's "Bat Chain Puller", but I have absolutely no fucking clue how to do it, even with some ideas. I'm not the kind of artist that can draw whatever he wants like he's testing an AI prompt.. I'm very restricted. I'm not the kind of guy that can tell you how to draw what you want, I'm very spontaneous in what I do. I think I just focus on the details that I want to relay in a drawing. With Zoot Horn Rollo, I'd like to effectively show his likeness - he's young, 6ft tall, incredibly thin with long hair, thin face and big cheekbones - these are the features that I can notice and try and capture. I think I just want to make his likeness effectively because he's essentially my hero when it comes to guitar and music. I want to pay tribute and not embarrass myself.

[Anonymous No.6479687]

anyone have tips for smudging pencil less besides using a slip of paper or glove or whatever to protect the paper? like do some paper finishes smudge less maybe?

[Anonymous No.6479689]

>>6479683
Bro, I found pic related just for you. It's from when I started back in 2019, it almost physically hurts me looking at it
Keep practicing, we're both going to make it

[Anonymous No.6479694]

>>6479687
can't tell if griffith or a woman

[Anonymous No.6479695]

>>6479662
>"if /beg/ is for people at your skill level, then what do you do if you're below that level?"
then you post in /beg/ . I kind of get it but it's dumb. You exaggerate, overvaluing difference in skill. there non yet anyway. what is valued is bravery and trying

[Anonymous No.6479697]

>>6479694
it's canute, you're close enough

[Anonymous No.6479698]

>>6479687
Nice work, anon.
In general, harder leads will smudge less, but will also produce lighter lines. If you use a mechanical pencil, there are some leads that might be of help, such as the Uni Smudge-Proof Lead.

[Anonymous No.6479702]

How do you guys distance yourselves from your comfort zone? Do you do it gradually, or do you try to draw something that is the complete opposite of what you usually do?

I've been wanting to expand the sort of subjects I draw, and have been browsing around public domain sites to see if anything there gets my attention. As well, my studies have been less geared toward anatomy and perspective, leaning toward basic draftsmanship and design. I want to learn how to communicate more effectively with my work, since I'm already used to being ignored because what I draw isn't interesting. The skill is there, but it's no good if people just glaze over when they see my stuff. You can't even get assistance/critique that way.

[Anonymous No.6479705]

>>6479687
draw light. Then carefully harden the lines u want dark

[Anonymous No.6479711]

>>6479568
>At least you can choose what you want to try to draw
The fuck? Is someone holding you at gun point and threatens to kill you if you draw what you want?

[Anonymous No.6479719]

What do you think exactly makes my art laughable at by some people on this board honestly? Outside of the hands I am kind of happy for how this is coming out.

[Anonymous No.6479721]

>>6479719
Damn, forgot pic.

[Anonymous No.6479725]

>>6479721
Cute!!!!

[Anonymous No.6479727]

>>6479719
>>6479721
idk... maybe she looks like she's reading porn with how she's blushing

[Anonymous No.6479730]

>>6479721
i think people probably dunk on your art because the style is vaguely reminiscent of the westernized pseudo anime style they grew up seeing in terrible "how to draw manga" type books. people associate the style with bad art.
are you familiar with the halo effect? it's like that in reverse, where people are being negative due to one aspect of the art that they recognize and dislike.
i think your art is nice

[Anonymous No.6479732]

>>6479719
Its fine, maybe the style it feels dated.

[Anonymous No.6479733]

I don't know what you mean but my guess it is not because art. Like I guessed it was you before you posted picture. Not a fan of hatching and triggered by yours ellipses but overall it's fine

[Anonymous No.6479740]

>>6479687
what are you using to draw? mechanical, clutch, pencil, etc. maybe experiment with how you sharpen your lead, this what I do.

[Anonymous No.6479748]

>>6479740
That was drawn with a school pencil that wasn't properly sharp by the end of the drawing, and I had no sharpener. I typically use mechanical pencils, though. That's probably not good, I imagine.

I think being more intentional with my choice in pencils will make a big difference, I'll be trying out different ways to sharpen the pencil for sure.

[Anonymous No.6479759]

>>6479748
>That's probably not good, I imagine.
its not bad, its just different mechanicals are good but you loose expressiveness. Buy some leads and have fun experimenting right now I'm messing around with 6Bs big range but super sensitive and soft takes practices.

[Anonymous No.6479761]

Can someone please give me critique on colors? I liked it at first but now I hate it. I see so many mistakes, like neck too long and fucked up leg. But I need actual feedback on colors

[Anonymous No.6479768]

>>6479761
Maybe apply a bit of blue or purple on your shadows so it won't look so monochromatic

[Anonymous No.6479770]

>>6479689
I really appreciate it. It's easy to get discouraged when you see someone else's (hard earned) skill, to assume you "don't have" something

[Anonymous No.6479772]

>>6479768
Thank you for your advice! Would you recommend redoing all shadows with blue/purple tones? Everyone say that if you have warm color as main, then make cool color as shadows. But when I do it, it looks weird. For example, this work belong to IBUO. His shadows are warm while the main color is warm as well? How does it work for him?

[Anonymous No.6479779]

>>6479770
No problem! and I feel ya, been (still is) there as well
All we have to do is keep going, take the small wins and don't get too frustrated/impatient with ourselves

[Anonymous No.6479780]

>>6479772
colour pick it because it looks blue to me

[Anonymous No.6479781]

How do you draw forms instead of just contours of forms?

[Anonymous No.6479782]

>>6479772
cool = hint of blue hues

[Anonymous No.6479785]

>>6479781
think in 3D, draw through the shapes

[Anonymous No.6479786]

noob, how much stabilization if any?

[Anonymous No.6479788]

>>6477885

[Anonymous No.6479790]

>>6479772
Color is relative.

[Anonymous No.6479791]

>>6479210
Well i guess Ill keep trying. Its really the only way to learn. I keep glancing at characters from animes and manga that i like the style from and just try to do whatever

Mind you this, i drew that very uncomfortably on a phone while the second picture in the reply i drew in my math textbook with pen.

Seeing if i can get the eyes and eyelashes correct is really helpful no matter what but oh well, it IS pretty much my first time trying to draw something that looks pleasing to the eye

[Anonymous No.6479792]

>>6479786
If complete noob to drawing -> none. Go back to paper.

If you can draw and is a noob to digital art only -> it will vary. Are you painting or doing lineart? For painting I like to use just enough so my strokes won't look wonky, for lineart I'll constantly tweak it as needed.

[Anonymous No.6479793]

>>6479761
Seems pretty good, you kept the values simple and under control. I would reassess the shadow shapes on the upper chest, between the top of the breasts and clavicle, the shadows don't quite make sense. You could push the contrast more, but that depends on how hard or soft the light of the environment is supposed to be. You don't have to do the warm light/cool shadows thing, it's a stylistic rule of thumb that generally works but it doesn't have to be heavy handed, like in >>6479772 you posted, those shadows are cool, just very subtle. Cool just means "tending towards blue" but not necessarily blue, same with warm and red, so as long as the average shadow is closer to blue on the color wheel than your average light, the shadows will be "cool".

>>6479786
However much you need :^). I always use at least a little bit to compensate for shitty tablet, but I wouldn't use so much that the cursor moves slower than you actually draw.

[Anonymous No.6479796]

>>6479791
Pen on paper are your friends.

Drawing digitally is fun, but to work on improving it is best to practice traditionally to build hand-eye coordination and muscle memory.

[Anonymous No.6479806]

Thread done; avoiding obsessing over bad self portrait with usual break time stuff.

[Anonymous No.6479809]

Is drawabox+loomis fine if I don't mind grinding the exercises and have no problem finding funny shit to draw without expecting it to be good? 50% rule actually seems pretty easy to follow.

[Anonymous No.6479813]

>>6479809
I think so. Never followed the exercises either just read the lessons and tried to understand to the best of my ability.

[Anonymous No.6479846]

>>6479809
Loomis is fine but not a fan of DAB I did half the lessons but it felt grinding without a real purpose and I ditch it (judging by the contests I think I made the best decision) now funnily enough I'm doing an exercise that is to simplify the head, rib cage and hips as cubes in total I'm doing 200 cubes but it feels different because it has a context and its a breeze because of that.

[Anonymous No.6479869]

Scuffed little portrait

[Anonymous No.6479872]

>>6479869
Scuffed little portrait

[Anonymous No.6479873]

>>6479872
Scuffed little portrait

[Anonymous No.6479874]

>>6479873
delete it for a third time

[Anonymous No.6479876]

>>6479873
fuck rotating this shit

[Anonymous No.6479878]

>>6479785
But how do you do that?

[Anonymous No.6479879]

>>6479874
Goddamnit

[Anonymous No.6479889]

>>6479793
Can someone please explain what does "pushing contrast" means? And how do you generally do it? I watched so many youtube tutorials but don't get it still

[Anonymous No.6479901]

>>6479889
Do you know what contrast is?

[Anonymous No.6479902]

>>6479876
Take pictures of your traditional stuff straight on.

[Anonymous No.6479923]

>>6479889
The contrast between light and dark. Making the darks darker, or lights lighter (or both).

[Anonymous No.6479924]

>>6479719
>>6479721
gabe who do you know in your life who has ever held a book like that, come on now

[Anonymous No.6479931]

>>6479923
Thank you!
>>6479901
I would like to use that "English is not my first language" excuse, but I'm just an imbecile

[Anonymous No.6479932]

>>6479761
Is it better now, when I added cooler shadows? Should I push contrast harder?

[Anonymous No.6479939]

>>6479932
Better. But the shadow/contrast area on the boobs is questionable.

[Anonymous No.6479945]

>>6479939
I'm actually grateful to you, folks. With you I feel I progress faster

[Anonymous No.6479959]

>>6479932
her tits are bruised

[Anonymous No.6479963]

>>6479959
too much blue?

[Anonymous No.6479986]

>>6479963
yes, use blue in deepest creases and where isn't much light. your booba highlights feel more like hot glue blobs. the shade on the left side of the hip feels to hard make it softer to give roundness.

[Anonymous No.6480000]

>>6478138
>>6479719
>>6479721
You understand how perspective works in theory, but haven't practiced enough in freehand mode.
Stop making full pieces for a while and just doodle random crap with ballpoint (~1px AA non-pressure brush, if digital) at least 2 hours everyday for a couple months. Anime girls, robots, weapons, penises, vehicles, anything as long as you have a rough 3D model of it in your head. Don't spend more than 30 minutes on a single object.

If you absolutely need some handholdy course with assignments then look for art-wod.

[Anonymous No.6480014]

>yes, use blue in deepest creases and where isn't much light.
makes zero sence, if there no light where this blue get here from.

[Anonymous No.6480015]

>>6479986
Thank you for your advice! So, use blue only in deep shadows. In "regular" shadows just use cooler skin color?

[Anonymous No.6480025]

>>6480014
Shadows should be generally drawn as a dark blue tint.

[Anonymous No.6480048]

>>6479772
SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU SNU

[Anonymous No.6480069]

This is what I do, I have two sets of skin shades the second one is to add depth (tends to go purples), I use cool on armpits and under the boob.

[Anonymous No.6480108]

>what does "pushing contrast" means?
what people usually mean by this

[Anonymous No.6480126]

Started drawing this year
already having fun with a pencil

[Anonymous No.6480219]

[Anonymous No.6480244]

>>6477991
Added some color and background. What do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.6480250]

Hello beg. Faces are hard.

>>6480219
coomable
>>6479786
learn to draw with no stabilization whatsoever. You can always put it on later when you are doing something more important than studies
>>6479781
to imply form you need cross contour lines, controlling line thickness or rendering of some sort
>>6479702
thats the advantage of begs: everything is out of comfort zone. If you are following some book or course you will eventually be forced to draw something you hate
>>6479546
you can take a photo of reference and then put it on half of the monitor and draw on the other half. Thats what i am usually doing. All drawing apps have brushes simulating various trad media.
>>6479557
>leave this general and never post in it again
Lmao anon you need to grow a bit thicker skin. The more people see your stuff the higher chance one of them will tell you to KYS. And your paintings are a weird mix of paint applied in very thin layers + ink. Its imho hard to criticize such weird mix of mediums
>>6479254
the piece is kinda low effort in the drawing part, but the idea, message and composition of it is godlike. I kneel in front of your imagination
>>6478944
>>6478948
>you draw too much, have you considered drawing differently?
>its time to move on from drawing
lmao. I dont know if you guys are implying i am skill wise above this beg book and i should pick up harder challenge or if you are scared i am about to burn out from the grind. Anyway i am like 60% done already with this one and no, i still find new things to struggle with. Last one was me realizing i am incapable of drawing symmetrical objects like bottles. Also i switched to new app which i need to learn and get feel for the different brush engine. The pics may look trivial but i dont feel trivially at all while doing them. Face or pumpkin its all still beg struggle for me. Its just when you fuck up drawing pumpkin the error isnt so obvious as with the face.

[Anonymous No.6480279]

>>6480250
no one is implying that you are above that skill level of that book but rather that you spend too much time drawing random shit for the sake of the grind rather than just working on pieces of art!

regardless it’s your life do what you like

[Anonymous No.6480286]

Hi /beg/ another pencil sketch in my tiny book. Unfinished gundam sneaker

[Anonymous No.6480308]

Did I make the shadows too dark or are they ok?

[Anonymous No.6480451]

when does digital (display tablet) stop feeling fucking weird
I've barely drawn on pen and paper in comparison and it still feels harder

[Anonymous No.6480466]

>>6480451
Took me about two weeks to used to it.

[Anonymous No.6480468]

>>6480466
I'll just have to keep doing it then, cubes and similar 90 degree lines are just agony in comparison

[Anonymous No.6480470]

>>6480451
You get used to it when you start drawing for fun

[Anonymous No.6480487]

>>6479450
;__________;

[Anonymous No.6480516]

>>6479785
Nice

[Anonymous No.6480522]

>>6480470
I always draw for fun
but I do not know how to draw all the things I want to draw for fun yet

[Anonymous No.6480559]

>male art youtuber
>gets to the point of the guide/tutorial instantly
>female art youtuber
>HAAAIII GUYS!!! *waves hands autistically*, SO UHM IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH UHM DRAWING <thing> ... UHM... YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT THE SPONSOR OF TODAY'S VIDEO SKILLSHARE!! *waves hands autistically again* ANYWAY I UHM WHENEVER I DRAW <thing> I SORT OF JUST DONT THINK ABOUT IT TOO HARD HAHA UNTIL IT JUST KIND OF COMES OUT NICELY :), JUST FEEL IT OUT HAHA AND THINK ABOUT THE FORM I GUESS :D

this is unironically why im incel.

[Anonymous No.6480586]

When do I know if I'm ready to move past "Fun with a Pencil"?

[Anonymous No.6480591]

>>6480586
pyw and i'll decide

[Anonymous No.6480594]

>>6480559
Guy tutorials:
>draw 250 boxes and maybe you'll be 0.00001% of the way towards being not complete dogshit, maybe
Girl tutorials:
I know drawing can take a toll on your mental health so make sure to take care of yourself and know that it's okay to make mistakes :)

Unironically yin and yang, they're both right

[Anonymous No.6480598]

>>6480594
kek

[Anonymous No.6480599]

>>6480559
Male art youtuber will tell you to buy his art learning package and brushes to be as good as him
Female youtuber will ramble for 20 min about mental gymnastics to convince yourself to get better with time-lapse of her drawing her favorite obscure characters

[Anonymous No.6480608]

The Virgin Youtube
>>6480559

The Chad Video Lecturer:
3+ hour videos where the presenter goes in depth about a topic in as dry and slow a fashion as possible. Expect long periods of quiet drawing and a lot of superfluous talking around major points. Best to download these and save them for later.

[Anonymous No.6480610]

>>6480608
But where can I find said lectures, Lecture Chad?

[Anonymous No.6480614]

>>6477876
fixed this up a bit

[Anonymous No.6480621]

>>6479873
>>6479876

[Anonymous No.6480623]

>>6480614

[Anonymous No.6480624]

if it wasnt intentional you need to reduce these back/arm muscles, how it called. models ribcage is kind of skinny, not likewhat you did

[Anonymous No.6480626]

or, just need to return/move shoulder closer to neck, this is what is going on, this why she become more bulky

[Anonymous No.6480628]

>>6480621
kek
this happened to me so much before I just started screenshotting my phone pics and posting that

[Anonymous No.6480659]

>>6480126
based
Ganbatte anon

[Anonymous No.6480680]

NEW THREAD
>>6480679
>>6480679
>>6480679

[Anonymous No.6480906]

>>6480610
drawing database, marshall vandruff, richard smithean, steven hudson

[Anonymous No.6481017]

I am struggling with the arms perspective

[Anonymous No.6481225]

>>6481017
hot