what you need isn't ultimate drawing skill but simplicity,storytelling and content

[Anonymous No.6465849]

i just realize that simple style like these artists they tend to successful. they known as top tier artist in japan, rake in millions yen every doujins they made. top ranking on dlsite or any digital download whenever they make doujins.
just notice that what i need isn't an expert skills but rather storytelling. no need hyperomega realism, no need of extreme perspective, no need of anatomy correct. meh hand, no muscle, exaggerate ass, no need dynamic perspective or anything.

meanwhile other artists that extremely skilled in anatomy and perspective, didn't popular or sell as much as those top artists. still top tier artist but not popular as much.
AI will just replace these styles meanwhile simple style artists still sell like crazy, producing art faster than detailed artists.

is it tho?

[DeekunBloos !LSlKmwOhow No.6465853]

I only care about making the art I want to make.

[Anonymous No.6465878]

>extremely skilled in anatomy and perspective
have an extremely distinct and hard-to-replicate artstyle*

this is going to be a total slander of skillchads

[Anonymous No.6465894]

>>6465849
Hell man, those artists look pretty skilled compared to many popular webcomics and webtoons.
But yeah, storytelling is a vastly underestimated skill on this board. I would say it is THE skill if you're a comic artist. Many classic comic strips have very simple styles, and even the more skilled artists had to be good storytellers.
It's why as I get more into comics I study artists like Harvey Kurtzman and Osamu Tezuka over the Frazettas.

[Anonymous No.6465899]

>>6465849
I came to the same conclusion the other day, it is much more important to be good at composition which is part of storytelling than all the other fundamentals, the most notorious example of this is ONE and his webcomic one punch man, although his drawings were crude and inexperienced his manga became very popular for his storytelling skills and his talent for composition, the same applies for illustrations, a good sense of composition and a little storytelling will take you very far.

[Anonymous No.6465903]

>>6465894
>storytelling is a vastly underestimated skill on this board. I would say it is THE skill if you're a comic artist
and not only comics, the best illustrators are able to tell you a little story with a single drawing, it's really incredible.

[Anonymous No.6465913]

>>6465903
>the best illustrators are able to tell you a little story with a single drawing
How true it is anon. It's something the robots can never take from us.

[Anonymous No.6465926]

>>6465849
these are all freelance artists who have to be "popular" because their main income is selling doujin work. This is why its all coomer shit and nothing meaningful that will get you hired

[Anonymous No.6466053]

>>6465849
NO, you need some connections from the industry to help you succeed, everybody has the ability, but only the privilege ones get the advantage since they don't need to worry about financial issues

and also, you're delusional, your idea of the real world is so blurry that you are just spouting up words that wont hold up to the truth

A.I. is the only fix to this

[Anonymous No.6466105]

>>6465849
>storytelling
Okay so ask chatgpt what to pr... I mean draw.
I think you guys got lost on your way to /lit/.

[Anonymous No.6466154]

>>6465903
post another twitter artists who is able to tell a story, i challenge you

[Anonymous No.6466291]

>>6465849
Forgot who top left was again, ive seen his work before and like it but need to remember the name again anon..
>hizuki akira
bro hizuki is one of the most skilled artists at drawing appealing female anatomy and poses in Japan, the guy draws softcore porn without any penetration and still makes people coom. Hizuki is a fucking wizard

[Anonymous No.6466307]

>>6465849
They are both important.

[Anonymous No.6466382]

>>6466154
Unless you mean the ones who just take [Popular Meme] and put [Popular Character] in it? Almost impossible.

[Anonymous No.6466389]

Did you finally realize drawing isn't just anime girl on white bg looking into neverland?

[Anonymous No.6466392]

>>6465849
Storytelling is more important that art quality to cultivate success, but art skills are a huge amplifier and draws initial attention to your work to get the ball rolling. Either way it doesn't change the fact that you need to grind both.

[Anonymous No.6466417]

>>6466392
Correct. Having the fundies make the storytelling more feasible. Fundies grab a ton of elements, and a good storyteller needs shit like perspective, construction, and comfortable drawing more than just people.
Storytellers are the ones who the 'learn the rules so that you understand how to break them' tends to apply the most to.

[Anonymous No.6466422]

>>6465849
the art on the top seems like the easiest to replicate and the most appealing by the current standard, of course if people master a bit of fundamentals and drawing anime girls then they can just mostly focus on their storytelling and that is perfectly enough.
however, the

>producing art faster than detailed artists

part, for me goal of producing art faster is a bad idea. I mean art for most people is already mindless scrolling, this oversaturation of content won't help with that. Spend some time on something, polish your art, nobody needs bagillion drawings on their social media feed, just something that'll make em stare and enjoy it and come back to it

[Anonymous No.6466504]

>>6466422
>part, for me goal of producing art faster is a bad idea. I mean art for most people is already mindless scrolling, this oversaturation of content won't help with that. Spend some time on something, polish your art, nobody needs bagillion drawings on their social media feed, just something that'll make em stare and enjoy it and come back to it
I was the kind of person who'd pump out tons of drawings until I found it more fulfilling to use that same skill towards sequential art and making interactive pieces. It's so much more fulfilling.

[Anonymous No.6466561]

>>6465849
Who's the pink haired girl on the top right?

[Anonymous No.6467687]

>>6465903
>hey that's pretty nice, i'll save it
>notice patreon link at the top left

[Anonymous No.6467962]

>>6466053
Ai will make it so nobody gets a chance at good art jobs without nepotism anymore since a single AD and a single Senior Illustrator will be able to do the whole production. And those jobs will 100% be given to friends of the higher ups.
No more intern or junior jobs to get your foot on the door.

So yes, you either have a good story to tell with your shitty derivative AI goyslop, or your art career is over already.

[Anonymous No.6467991]

>>6465913
Lol those old paintings always made soda shop guys look like such dorks. I like to imagine there was beef

[Anonymous No.6468060]

>>6465853
FPBP

[Anonymous No.6468068]

>>6467687
>how DARE artists promote themselves in their art

[Anonymous No.6468076]

>>6467962
stop being a d00mer, you sound like a proompter. go to another board if you are talking like this. what are you the mod of r/art?

[Anonymous No.6468082]

>>6467962
>So yes, you either have a good story to tell with your shitty derivative AI

total BS, good story doesn't matter anymore, everything is about coomer art now and I mean fetishes(armpits, feet, domination, NTR, lolis, politics, etc), its all about attention to get more money, and it makes me sick thinking about it

you're missing the point entirely, once A.I. goes mainstream with further improvements, this>>6465849 will now be common, and everybody will have access to those styles and make their own content

its all about access to their skill and gaining it for ourselves without difficulty, and the A.I. has done amazing job

technology has advanced so fast we couldn't keep up, and now that it can do what they can, the only thing we can do is adapt to it because its inevitable

all that BS cited on the OP post doesn't mean anything to me now when you know the truth, its all about backdoor access, and inside connections in the industry to get in and be successful

[Anonymous No.6468144]

>>6466291
@norahigumax

[Anonymous No.6468146]

>>6468082
People really out themselves here on IC. Would be nice if more people who didn't just chase after twitter coomer money could chime in.

[Anonymous No.6468188]

>>6468068
your art should be so unique that it should be self-evident, a watermark just taints the artwork
the same goes with OnlyFans garbage, i immediately cringe and put my cock away the second i see an OnlyFans link, it's tasteless and cringe

[Anonymous No.6468341]

>>6468188
That's fair. I don't have a level of autism that you do to be put off by a basic signature or watermark, but I do love it when the artist actually blends it into their artwork, like as part of a billboard or a street sign in the background.

[Anonymous No.6468855]

>>6466561
Pretty sure it's just an OC from one of the manga the artist draws. Artist is "SkyFreedom" @skyfreedom_

[Anonymous No.6468907]

>>6468082
>total BS, good story doesn't matter anymore
Then why does this artist >>6465903 have over 2000 patrons? Doesn't even do coom from what I'm aware, but is great at communicating humor and a STORY through an image.
And so many copy & paste comics that have followings because the cartoonist knows how to tell a story, joke, viewpoint, etc.
Hell, AI hasn't even cornered the coomer market. Cutesexyrobutts and InCase are still killing it. I'll let you figure out what differentiates them from the standard coomer fare.

[Anonymous No.6468923]

>>6465913
They will one day.
If you never apply that bandaid in the first place you'll never need to rip it off later, you know.

[Anonymous No.6468964]

>>6468923
>They will one day.
It doesn't matter. The best stories are born out of human experience.
My favorite artist is Robert Crumb. Why? Because he fearlessly puts it all on paper. His insecurities. His sexual fantasies. His obscure interests. His bizarre philosophical thoughts. His fucked up childhood. The strange characters that could only live in his head.
Theoretically you could have an AI that does the same. It could have an entire biography, psychology, individual art style. But at that point we're just playing pretend. What human would care? (besides the odd tech fetishist)
When the dust settles humans will still want art from humans. AI is a novelty.

[Anonymous No.6468969]

>>6465849
It's what we call soul, something westoids seem to always be lacking.

[Anonymous No.6468974]

>>6468923
>two more weeks
Try going outside for once instead of talking to ChatGPT all day

[Anonymous No.6468976]

>>6465849
Yea this is part of why vilppu and proko and loomis's only real legacy is being teachers rather than their work being impressive.

If you don't realize you have to surpass the master you are learning from and do this >6465853 you'll be perma-/beg/ drawing "moody" limp gestures all day and crying about your own art.

[Anonymous No.6469036]

what a coomer thread the state of /ic/ and society in general saddens me

[Anonymous No.6469240]

>>6468964
>The best stories are born out of human experience.
>When the dust settles humans will still want art from humans.

Which is still the issue with alot of non ai art as well. Most online content feels like it was made by a niche comity.

[Anonymous No.6469302]

ok how do i grind simplicity, storytelling, content, and appeal? I'm a husk with no interests or personality that jut got bullied my entire life.

[Anonymous No.6469318]

>>6468907
>over 2000 patrons?
because the pokemon character, that's why, also, I think this artist is aware of what happening right now with the A.I. becoming popular, so this will change definitely

>And so many copy & paste comics that have followings because the cartoonist knows how to tell a story, joke, viewpoint, etc.

just accept it, both Art A.I. and Chat A.I. combine will soon eclipse these creators, and everybody will have the elite skills like them


>Hell, AI hasn't even cornered the coomer market. Cutesexyrobutts and InCase are still killing it. I'll let you figure out what differentiates them from the standard coomer fare.

oh really? we'll see how that plays out

[Anonymous No.6469321]

>>6469240
>Which is still the issue with alot of non ai art as well.
Yeah and it made a space where people could even consider something like AI art. It's like in these discussions people don't even know what art is, they genuinely have no fucking idea. They think it's just pretty pictures. It's the artist's responsibility to imbue their humanity into their art, to not just consider it technique.

[Anonymous No.6469336]

>>6469318
>we'll see how that plays out
Yeah, more "it's gonna happen." Let me know when one of those shitty AI comics manages to get a major following willing to pay for it. I'll genuinely do a case study of it (I'm always open to learning from what works, even if I think it sucks artistically).

[Anonymous No.6469347]

>>6469302
find things that YOU enjoy draw them and explore them to the fullest most pleasurable extent of your being; unironically the most essential fundie is having fun

[Anonymous No.6469381]

>>6465849
>storytelling
What story is the soulless trash in the OP pic trying to tell exactly? "I touch my pp"? Is that a motivating, inspiring or culture-changing story?

[Anonymous No.6469394]

>>6469347
>that pic
Holy soul

[Anonymous No.6469395]

>>6469381
you have no audacity to complain about soulllessness when you post wojaks.

[Anonymous No.6469398]

>>6469395
post soulless trash, receive soulless trash
as you reap so shall you sow

[Anonymous No.6469412]

>>6469318
Ah, yes; sameface tinymouth novelAI girls and Zendaya Staring into the void is the future.

[Anonymous No.6469428]

>>6469318
>two
>more
>weeks

[Anonymous No.6469500]

>>6469347
they dont call it FUNdies for nothing!

[Anonymous No.6470429]

>>6468082
You live in a made up reality.

[Anonymous No.6470845]

>>6469395
nta but the wojak and pepe are quite interesting if you really think about it
it's strange how badly drawn images are posted ad nauseum here and on other websites since you'd think people would prefer more rendered work to use as memes but they just feel like they're trying too hard

this plays into the storytelling aspect since it's not really about how nice it looks but what you are trying to convey with what you have drawn
look at that basedjak, it clearly displays an emotion AND is telling a story all while not being as drawn with the same technical ability as the OP

isn't that strange?
it seems people care more about the idea behind the artwork and what it is trying to convey rather than the technical skill of the artist

maybe because you're an artist and do not understand but when i personally look at highly rendered drawings, i just say "that looks nice" and scroll to the next image without giving it a second look
when i find a relatable image, such as this wojak or a pepe conveying a specific emotion, THAT is what i save and post around the internet
so it really does show how much people care about storytelling more than technical ability

[Anonymous No.6471002]

>>6465849
no, what I need is speed.

[Anonymous No.6471032]

>>6469318
>ESL phrasing
Learn English.

[Anonymous No.6471048]

>>6470845
Beyond storytelling, visual appeal is something important in all forms of art, Wojaks included. A few differently placed lines or perhaps a even the inclusion of an ear could've been the difference between its fate as an icon of 4chan culture and being just another doodle lost to time.

[Anonymous No.6471099]

>>6469347
I'm too old to have fun. I need to catch up for lost time and become successful

[Anonymous No.6471107]

>>6465849
>porn, porn, porn

[Anonymous No.6471116]

is this the Dracula one, with shota being pumped by the Muzzie princes?
that was hot af

[Anonymous No.6471132]

>>6471099
You're too old to become successful, learn to like what you have or kys.