/mmg/ - Manga Making General

[Anonymous No.6449833]

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>6430778

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
Making Comics
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/Dd4hnZTC#EjMIcTDPLbWXkAJLPHx2Kg
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/9h1mUYSJ#8sJoO57nMP_JhjnujBXkpQ
https://www.naokiurasawa.com/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

[Anonymous No.6449834]

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Noir Caesar ( https://www.noircaesar.com/ )
> Focuses on black (specifically African-American) content, but seems willing to publish anyone good enough.
> Seemingly series-based only.
> No "magazine" style updates; series are updated on their own schedule.
> Seems less regular than Saturday AM, but also seems larger in terms of readership.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to [e-mail], however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

[Anonymous No.6449838]

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

And a new addition, not technically a publisher, but a new platform to host your manga:

Manga Plus Creators by Shueisha
https://medibang.com/mpc/

[Anonymous No.6449840]

Current Contests:

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/sma19-overflowing-tears-silent-manga-audition/

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:
https://kitakyushu-mangataisho.com/en/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

[Anonymous No.6449844]

OP image is from a one shot called "Naf personal comic". You can read it on Mangadex, it’s pretty good: https://mangadex.org/title/410f07f6-f19a-4243-a8e8-6650c6d7eff3/naf-personal-comic

If it bothers you to see user created stuff in the OP pic please tell me and I will go back to classic Japanese manga pages. Happy new year everyone!

[Anonymous No.6449848]

Can AI do manga yet?

[Anonymous No.6449860]

>>6449848
Kinda yeah https://twitter.com/sogachin/status/1556105152075304960?s=20&t=8Nidl6P1Xkz-pZc1ytHbMg

[Anonymous No.6449929]

is clip studio worth it for a beginner if i want to make manga? it seems to have decent documentation and guides, especially compared to krita, but anyone have any thoughts on it?

[Anonymous No.6449944]

>>6449833
Do you guys focus more on your art or your writing when making manga/comics?
In my opinion good writing is far more important than good art.
But if you want a big audience I feel like good writing should be avoided and you should focus more on what has worked before + a gimmick of some sort.
The majority of modern media has awful writing.
Is it because the modern audience doesn't give a shit about good writing or because modern artists don't know how to write good stories?

[Anonymous No.6449953]

>>6449860
The aesthetic is interesting but AI won't be able to pull of anything more. Storytelling needs consistency above all else.

[Anonymous No.6449957]

Is waiting years to perfect illustration technique before even attempting a single comic worth it uf I am also writing some sort of script from start to finish alongside it? Especially considering if I want the art of my comic to look like TheGoldenSmurf level quality when it comes to skill and detail.

[Anonymous No.6449969]

>>6449929
It's very good for making manga (page by page format) and webtoons (scrolling format).
Pretty much every professional that makes manga digitally uses it.
It has all the tools you need and the free assets store has a ton of stuff to make the creation process even easier like premade speech bubbles, manga backgrounds, effects brushes, 3d models and so on.
My only gripe with clipstudio is that the lettering system is so barebones that it hurts.
It gets the job done but it does feel very clunky doing your lettering in clipstudio.
I've only made comics in paint tool sai before and compared to that clipstudio is so much better.
Also there's a ton of tutorials on the creation process both official and by fans on youtube.
Just buy it on a sale.

[Anonymous No.6450017]

Anyone have a prompt for this thread? Or are we carrying over from the last time?

[Anonymous No.6450022]

What are some sites i should look into for posting my comic series?

[Anonymous No.6450038]

>>6450022
Can we have a list up so that these retards stop asking the same questions?

>Webtoons
>Tapas
>ComicFury
>GlobalComix
>Medibang
>Pixiv
>Mangadex
>Twitter
>Tumblr
>DeviantArt
>Your own website

[Anonymous No.6450643]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but you know how the binding side of a manga page usually has a strip of white left empty? I get that it's for the binding not to suck up any of the art, but where exactly is that edge measured at? Is it along the edge of the "live area" on the binding side?

[Anonymous No.6450670]

>>6450038
I will add it in the next thread. Thank you for the list.

[Anonymous No.6450680]

>>6449833
>Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga

The Mega for this isn't working anymore.

[Anonymous No.6450731]

sorry for german. will do english of course

just struggling with formatting the speech bubbles

dont wanna do standard vector based lines as it's toor igid so i wanted to do an analong feel with the outlines being black pastel in photoshop

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6450735]

>>6450731

[Anonymous No.6450737]

[Anonymous No.6450739]

[Anonymous No.6450740]

>>6450731
>>6450735
>>6450737
>>6450739
You got the flow man, the reader would look at both panel and bubbles.

[Anonymous No.6450741]

[Anonymous No.6450746]

[Anonymous No.6450753]

>>6450740

just worrying if the outlines are too fugly even if it fits the aesthetic better the clean brushes

considering trying other brushes

am i worrying too much and should i just move on?

[Anonymous No.6450758]

QUESTION

how to do diagonal lines in photoshop with a pen? like i can do it with the mouse cause you click shift click and then point elsewhere and click again.

with a pen, i can only straight lines....

[Anonymous No.6450760]

>>6450753
No one zoomed in their screen just to see the edge of any bubbles bristle (exceptional for a complete nuts), you do not have to worry about that unless the dialog bubble is huge....

[Anonymous No.6450761]

>>6450758
1. Rotate (R key or Ctrl+R key i forgot lol)
2. 45 degrees
3. Pull a horizontal line
4. Press the Rotate shortkey again -> reset view

[Anonymous No.6450765]

>>6450761

the only way huh...shucks

[Anonymous No.6450768]

>>6450765
The result won't came out good if you're using less than 600 DPI canvas, photoshop is a pixel based after all so be sure to use 600 DPI minimum....

[Anonymous No.6450848]

>>6449833
Question: What programs do the average mangaka use for 3D models for their backgrounds? I particularly enjoy drawing BGs, but even I can understand the 3D models + filters can save a FUCK ton of time...
What programs would you recommend that are relatively simple? Light weight perhaps? Or do you think they all use Blender or like CSPs in house software?

Picrel is from Shadows House (fantastic series, definitely recommend)

[Anonymous No.6450851]

>>6450848
2/3

[Anonymous No.6450852]

>>6450851
3/3

[Anonymous No.6450861]

>>6450848
>>6450851
>>6450852
They probably used something like blender to model and design these assets. Do the donut tutorial to get familiar with the interface and basic modelling + look into array modifiers and how to apply textures. That alone can help you get as far as how Shadows House got.

Most mangaka and artists probably buy 3d models off of websites like a Japanese equivalent of Daz3d and import them to CSP. CSP also readily supplies some 3d assets for free, and I believe there are some user-made content you can purchase too.

[Anonymous No.6450869]

>>6450848
Don't know if this would be considered simple but Asano Inio is using unreal engine 4 for his backgrounds now a days and it actually looks pretty sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuX6ldtaflc

[Anonymous No.6450999]

Suppose I’ll ask here since this is one of the better threads on ic

Would you take a course to draw manga if it’s run by nipponese? It’s akin to a diploma. Being 30 I feel like all my passion has burnt out and I’m seriously considering if this would reignite it.

[Anonymous No.6451424]

>>6450999
would depend on the proficiency of the artist/mangaka in question and if I like their stuff
but if you think it'd help with motivation it could be worth it regardless

[Anonymous No.6451444]

just more this chapter to end this arc

[Anonymous No.6451451]

Official MMG / HYW Discord:

https://discord.gg/6gAdmrz3Km

[Anonymous No.6451452]

Does anyone know where and how you can look for editors to hire? Specifically ones who specialize in graphic novels? I don't mean full time or to get published, I just want a professional to examine my work and give me feedback, like a teacher grading homework.

[Anonymous No.6451457]

>>6450999
You probably need a constant motivator like a body double who works at the same time to get shit done. If you want I'm looking for someone to stream with while working.

[Anonymous No.6451461]

>>6450999
I don't need a drawing course, I need a writing course. Unfortunately, book writing doesn't apply well to comic format

[Anonymous No.6451634]

>>6450861
>>6450869
Thank you both for your input, I really appreciate it. Happy new years fellas!

[Anonymous No.6451689]

>>6451452
I got a rando off from the tapas forum who was offering to do editor stuff for free. He was actually pretty great and helped me with some writing stuff. Pretty sure he wasn't pro, but it was nice to have someone else look over your writing.

[Anonymous No.6451695]

>>6450999
>Would you take a course to draw manga if it’s run by nipponese?
If I didn't have to pay for it then yeah maybe, but otherwise no.

[Anonymous No.6452106]

>>6449833
Is it really true no one really draws backgrounds anymore? Its all traced, and or asseted?

[Anonymous No.6452111]

>>6451461
Maybe its just me, but script writing is easier than prose writing. Its pure story.

>he does this
>he did that

While in prose writing you have to be mindful of your sentences so they wont be hard to read or boring.

[Anonymous No.6452199]

Is writing a script for you story necessary? Every book about making comics says so, but I don't understand the purpose if I'm doing everything on my own. Does it actually make a difference?

[Anonymous No.6452207]

>>6452111
>While in prose writing you have to be mindful of your sentences so they wont be hard to read or boring.
Dialogue has to flow so at least a basic understanding of prose is probably helpful

[Anonymous No.6452211]

>>6452106
Patently false. Plenty of people don't.
However, when it comes to making Manga, a world where you may get as little as four hours of sleep every day, there's literally no choice but to use them lest you get blacklisted for missing hyperaggressive deadlines.

Fortunately, you are not a mangaka. So you have time to do better.

[Anonymous No.6452227]

>>6452199
>Is writing a script for you story necessary?
No.
>Every book about making comics says so
Just another example of why you shouldn't trust everything that's written down.

[Anonymous No.6452284]

>>6452207
A tip for dialogue is reading what you write aloud. Does it sounf natural? Does it flow well off the tongue in proper tone? If it sounds janky and weird then thats when you know you should modify it.

[Anonymous No.6452326]

>>6450643
Can anyone confirm

[Anonymous No.6452354]

>>6452199
I don't write a script, but I do write an outline, like many mangakas do. Then I storyboard from it. I figure the storyboard is the "script" when you're working alone.

[Anonymous No.6452370]

>>6449833
OOT, not sure if this is the right place to ask.
I'm thinking about opening commissions.
How much would you guys charge for a single page of black and white ero doujin?
FYR, it takes me around 2-4 hours for planning process from brainstorming, storyboarding, to gathering references.
And 8-12 hours for techincal process from sketching, inking, BG, toning, and typesetting.
Is charging 300 USD / page overkill?

[Anonymous No.6452406]

>>6452370
>$300/page
Bruh

[Anonymous No.6452437]

>>6452370
I charged $30 a page for sketches, $100 a page for inks. I simply don't work on commissioned pages for more than 5 hours or whatever. I only ever got clients looking sketch commissions anyway, which were $100 for 4 pages, or about 9-10 hours of work for me all up. Still not a great hourly rate but I didn't have any clout to leverage.

[Anonymous No.6452454]

>>6452370
I went ape up and propose my stuff on a random fiver group studio circle and here's how much they paid me depends on what kind of job they offered :

-7 to 10 USD for each storyboard page
-10 to 20 USD for each coloring page
-50 to 100 USD for each lineart finishing (Gigs owner)

Earn 500-700 USD each month so far lol, although the studio take %10 charge due to promote our gigs or else no one notice our gigs offering at the front page.

[Anonymous No.6452522]

>>6450848
Using SketchUp was the standard a couple of years ago. You can search models on 3d Warehouse, or buy them on Acon 3D.

If you need to create your models there is Blender, and there is the Blender Kit extension to find free models on the go.

For views of cities and streets remember that you can use Google Street View and Google Earth.

If you just need boxes and cylinders now Clip Studio itself has some useful tools.

[Anonymous No.6452730]

>>6451695
Oh right, so it’s about $15000 for a duration of 2 years and 7 months.

>>6451424
The teacher (sensei heh) is a recipient of some manga award in the 00’s. Googling the cert says Manga Taishō but I can’t find her name in any of the yearly winners list.

>>6451457
>>6451461
Not a bad idea desu, although my peeve with committing to drawing things now is the lack of someone who can be an editor and help develop things further.

[Anonymous No.6452861]

>>6450869
>unreal engine
>have to download epic launcher first
the fuck kind of ccp spyware jewery tactic is this

[Anonymous No.6452869]

>>6450848
How does picrel make her 3d backgrounds so good ? I didn't even realize that they were 3d backgrounds until someone on a told me they were.

[Anonymous No.6452871]

>>6452869
Fuck forgot picrel

[Anonymous No.6452872]

>>6452861
Plus dont you need like an insane graphics card to run the assets?

[Anonymous No.6452873]

>>6452106
depends on your release schedule . If your a monthly manga and even maybe a bi weekly manga chances are the backgrounds are drawn . But your a weekly mangaka , your likely to use 3D models or have an army of assistants drawn the backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.6452874]

>>6452869
The models serve as a sketch for the backgrounds. She doesn´t straight up use them as BG.

[Anonymous No.6452880]

NIGGA JUST USE BLENDER

[Anonymous No.6452998]

>>6452880
Anyone have tips on learning Blender? Course recommendations, websites, youtube channels, anything helps. Hardest part about learning anything is sifting through the shitty courses...

[Anonymous No.6453000]

>>6452998
Donut tutorial.

[Anonymous No.6453002]

>>6453000
I've watched hours and hours of those shitty "How to make a coffee mug in Blender" tutorial when I was a 12 year old kid obsessed with CaptainSparklez minecraft music dance videos FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.6453006]

>>6453002
But did you make a donut though?

[Anonymous No.6453039]

>>6453006
Even as a 12 year old I knew those courses were scams

[Anonymous No.6453041]

>>6453039
they're free on youtube though

[Anonymous No.6453053]

Latest page.
https://tapas.io/series/Wings-Of-Daera

[Anonymous No.6453060]

>>6453039
>He didn't make a donut
>NGMI

[Anonymous No.6453315]

>>6449833
crits needed for my chapter cover. Thanks in advance manga-fags

[Anonymous No.6453390]

Is doing 6 pages a day half storyboard half preliminiary sketch phase enough?

I feel I'm getting not only impatient but frustrated because I'm trying to figure out the best way to panel and it's eating up time. I just want to be good.

[Anonymous No.6453410]

>>6453390
Enough for what? What's the context?
>I'm trying to figure out the best way to panel and it's eating up time
There's no such thing as the "best way to panel". There are better ways, but beyond a certain point different paneling just conveys different things, rather than being best or not.

[Anonymous No.6453414]

>>6453410
Uh it's a fan comic.

I've got around 28 pages done and fleshed out in terms of storyboard. I've spent a week drawing some of them more out but now I'm not satisfied.

I guess I'm just obsessed with making sure my output is good enough. Storyboarding is the hardest part for me because I feel compelled to rush it out but I know that's not a good idea.

[Anonymous No.6453428]

>>6453414
Then sure, whatever, 6 pages storyboarded a day is fine. If you're not under a deadline then you can take however long you want.

[Anonymous No.6453434]

>>6453428
>Then sure, whatever, 6 pages storyboarded a day is fine. If you're not under a deadline then you can take however long you want.

I do have a deadline. I'm trying to emulate Miura and take a month to make something of substantially quality, but his panelling is amazing and that's easily the thing I find the most difficult to emulate not really the details alone.

[Anonymous No.6453480]

>>6453414
>Uh it's a fan comic.

of what anon?

[Anonymous No.6453571]

>>6453315
It bothers me the graphic elements dont correlate from the top to the bottom, also the whole composition seems askew. looking forward to seeing it when its done

[Anonymous No.6453576]

>>6453571
wow, amazing insight. thanks, anon

[Anonymous No.6453588]

Do you automatically own the copyright of your comic if you have your own site to post it on or do you still have to register it?

[Anonymous No.6453608]

>>6446114
cont.

>>6453576
no stress.

[Anonymous No.6453925]

reading some manga like chainsaw man and I noticed the art is just not good. Its better than my art for sure but I wonder how important is art? Or is consistency more important?

Should I focus on appeal to cover up anatomy errors? Or focus on perfect anatomy even if it looks boring traced?

[Anonymous No.6453960]

>>6449944
>Do you guys focus more on your art or your writing when making manga/comics?
My art that's why im so fucking slow, im always trynna perfect every little detail. Story is pretty easy when you have a good premise.

>In my opinion good writing is far more important than good art.
This is generally true, but no one will pay attention to your stuff if it ain't eye catching. People will give u a little more leeway if your art is good

>But if you want a big audience I feel like good writing should be avoided and you should focus more on what has worked before + a gimmick of some sort.
You're right but dont discard good writing. Take the gimmicks and add your twist. Isekai dosghit manhwas are popular so yeah

>The majority of modern media has awful writing.
Not what i read

>Is it because the modern audience doesn't give a shit about good writing or because modern artists don't know how to write good stories?
Because zoom zooms are adhd riddled retardos, they dont have time to pay attention to a good story. They just want a fast paced action story with a little edge, so that's what we give them. Pander to them. People still like good writting but mediocre writting is enough.

[Anonymous No.6453969]

>>6453608
Dolcett-like stuff you are making?

[Anonymous No.6453986]

How do I learn how to draw like hajime ueda aside from copying his work?

[Anonymous No.6454002]

Completed chapter one of my first comic a few days ago, give it a gander and any feedback's appreciated
https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/royal-blue/list?title_no=833535

[Anonymous No.6454023]

>>6454002
Story is great but the wording is awkard, would like to read more.

[Anonymous No.6454128]

>>6454002
loved the first two chapters, third one is okay-ish but i think the tentacle thing looks weird (i may be just retarded tho)
love it so far, as other anon said you could improve the wording but it looks really good so far

[Anonymous No.6454156]

>>6454002
Art is rough but your actual drawing is actually good. Maybe you were rushing it but more details like with the lynx(?) would be nice. The writing isn’t my cup of tea and I didn’t like it, sorry. But the one really good thing imo is panel flow- I rarely am able to follow webtoons but yours is smooth as a... uh, surface of an ice cream?

[Anonymous No.6454327]

>>6454002
I have only looked at the chapters so I can't comment on the writing.

I really like the composition and artstyle even though it's pretty simple and scratchy.
It seems to fit the atmosphere quite well.

You should really think about using proper speechbubbles or if you want to keep the uniqe speechbubbles you currently use then please use a better font.
Your current font makes it look like those old scanlations of manga.
Lettering is just as important as art and composition.
Blambot.com has a lot of free and good looking comic fonts for dialogue and effects. Blambot even lets you use these fonts commercially for prints and stuff if you're an indie artist.

I can also see you're structuring the panels like a manga or comic page.
You don't have to do this on webtoon because of the infinite scrolling webtoons have.
Take advantage of this feature and give your panels more breathing room and space between each other.
It feels very crammed and overwhelming as it currently is. Remember, there are no pages on webtoons. There's just one very long page pretty much.
Look at how popular webtoons are placing their panels.
You can do a lot of unique and fun paneling on webtoon that you couldn't do with a traditional page-to-page layout.

Also think about using more differently shaped panels.
It's fine as it is right now but it might become boring or samey seeing the same rectangle panels as you create more chapters.


Overall it looks good and promising. Godspeed anon!

[Anonymous No.6454553]

Okay, anons! I finally decided to man-up and publish the first chapter of my stuff. I already have the chapter 2 done but I have scheduled it to post next month so I have time to finish chapter 3.
https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/ashes-of-eden-the-illustrata/list?title_no=835486
I'd love some feedback, this is quite literally my first try.

[Anonymous No.6454557]

>>6454553
Oh right, forgot the pic

[Anonymous No.6454659]

>>6454553
>>6454557

Seems Persian inspired ? But so far it seem cool , it reminds me of early Magi / Magus of Libraray.

[Anonymous No.6454660]

>>6453480
I'm too embarrassed to say.

[Anonymous No.6454671]

>>6454659
Yes, it is inspired by Mesopotamian fantasy, at least aesthetically, and the bronze age/iron age period in general. I hadn't heard of Magus of Library, is it good? I think I'll give it a read.

[Anonymous No.6454683]

>>6453925
you think so? To me chainsaw man art is kind of simple perhaps, but certainly not bad
but yea, when it comes to storytelling, art is always secondary, good art will help widen the reach of your comic, but even with objectively bad art you can find success with your comic if the story and the way you told it is great

[Anonymous No.6454695]

>>6453925
Chainsaw Man has better art than Berserk.

[Anonymous No.6454699]

>>6454002
Hey, I really like your art! It's simple, but still manages to be very expressive and make it clear that you have a great skill. How long does it take you to finish each page, if I may ask?

[Anonymous No.6454707]

>>6454002
love the art and the atmosphere, but the style of speechbubble and font kind of clash with the artstyle and breaks my immersion

[Anonymous No.6454712]

>>6454002
Honestly the panelling feels rather uninteresting, the art is good in some places but feels rushed in others.

The story doesn't grip me either, girl get's abandoned. But I dunno, I don't really feel any intrigue to care what happens to her, no idea why, maybe not enough of a hook for the reader?

The logo and font also clash really badly. I'd design a logo or tailor your speech/text more to the comic.

[Anonymous No.6454843]

>>6454683
I guess its not bad but its a lot more average than i thought was needed to make a popular comic

[Anonymous No.6454939]

>>6454002
Art is fine I suppose, but:

>girl lives with a cave lion in a cave after being left to die in the forrest
>somehow has access to money and does not look like filthy mess
>the cash they use is called "coin" instead something sensible like "penny" or "denarius"
>the girl alos has nice kitchen and a really fancy knife, how did she build that?
>where did she learn how to cook?

Work on your setting. I suppose you already fucked in this case and I have no idea how to salvage it

[Anonymous No.6454971]

>>6454843
try looking up mob psycho by ONE

[Anonymous No.6455024]

>>6454660
I don't care anon , all fan fiction is embarrassing . I wanna write a Charlie Brown x Peppermint Patty fanfic about Chuck returning to his town after a successful career as a punter for the Cleveland Browns and romantically reconnecting with Patty. If your fan fic is more embarrassing then mine then god bless you anon.
>>6454671
>I hadn't heard of Magus of Library, is it good? I think I'll give it a read.
Its good but the first arc (which is like 3-4 chapter) is a bit of drag. It doesn't get really good when the MC leaves the village.

[Anonymous No.6455146]

>>6454002
I read the full thing. I though it was great, main thing I dislike is the dialogue. You should change the font, have speech bubbles, and also just go over everything to remove unnecessary lines, and edit forced lines. I'm also working on a comic, and it's definitely a challenge to make dialogue seem natural and not cringe-inducing. Try and act out the interaction in your head, and ask yourself if it would be like that in a real life interaction. Also keep in the mind that the character's personality plays a role in each interaction (If you haven't done this already, you should write down a document for yourself that includes your character's personality, motivations, fears, etc..) And another thing to keep in mind is that not everything has to be vocalized.

I found it weird how this main character knows English well when she was abandoned as a little kid, I think she should be more mute (Or maybe you could make her dialogue have a purposefully limited choice of words.) And like the other anon said, it should be explained how she built an entire house by herself, knows how to cook, and how she has money.

Overall I thought this was pretty cool and I'm looking forward to your revisions and more chapters.

[Anonymous No.6455517]

>>6452370
The fact that it only takes you that long for a comic page is really commendable. Assuming it looks decent and you work that fast I think that's a rather decent rate. Doing comics is way more work than a single illustration is.

[Anonymous No.6455660]

>>6454023
>>6454128
>>6454156
>>6454327
>>6454699
>>6454707
>>6454712
>>6454939
>>6455146
Cheers, glad y'all liked atleast some part of it somewhat, appreciate the feedback too.
I made the stupid decision of not adding in the dialogue and speech bubbles if you'd even call them that until I had already finished all the art so it ended up not being incorporated properly, along with my poor writing skill and bad choice of font lmao. Very much noted though and I'll put more effort into the whole writing part of chapter two and forward.
I'll also try and be more consistent with my drawing as to avoid some pages being obviously rushed or lazily drawn compared to others, I've mainly been painting all these years so drawing only with line is something I very much struggle with still but I'll see what I can do.
And as for the plot and setting problems some of you mentioned I hope to be able atleast try and remedy some of the immersion breaking and unexplained plot holes or whatever with future flashback chapters, as cliché as they are. Just felt I wanted to fit as much as possibile into the first chapter so I could get the story off of the ground and get to it y'know
Again thanks for the feedback and hope I can fix what's not working in future chapters

[Anonymous No.6455969]

>>6453925
Fujimoto is by no means a bad artist, he's very capable and skilled, what he's bad at is appeal

[Anonymous No.6455995]

>>6452370
I think it really depends on the quality of your drawings. Really good shit would be easily worth 300 if someone is serious about getting published

[Anonymous No.6456238]

>>6455024
It's a friday night funkin yaoi comic.

[Anonymous No.6456364]

>>6456238
>It's a friday night funkin yaoi comic.

Its cringe but not that cringe . Keep up the good work fujo .
>>6455969
Fujimbo's abilities lies with his paneling skills .

[Anonymous No.6456378]

>>6456364
>Its cringe but not that cringe . Keep up the good work fujo .

I'm struggling actually. Why the fuck is making a good story so hard? I wonder if I'm even capable of continuing. I've gotten this far but now I'm having doubts.

Why is it so difficult to just be consistent and keeping moving forward? God, I hate having self doubt and I hate not being able to just do it without needing to be perfect and tell the perfect story.

[Anonymous No.6456602]

>>6456238
>friday night funkin yaoi comic
not cringe unless the writing is bad
post it itt so we can deliberate

[Anonymous No.6456933]

>>6456602
Part of me really doesn't want to because it isn't finished and I hate opening myself up for criticism but I know I won't improve as much if I don't get viable input.

Fuck, I hate showing unfinished work but here we go.

Cover

[Anonymous No.6456938]

>>6456933
Page 1. Keep in mind, this still isn't finished so I'm not entirely happy with how it is currently at least art wise.

[Anonymous No.6456943]

>>6456938
Page 2. I forgot to mention I haven't done the speech yet, made some notes about that so maybe this is rather pointless to show.

[Anonymous No.6457039]

>>6454939
Not him but how you supposed to know if your setting is good enough for your story? When i try to write my own world building i always feel like something is off but i can't pinpoint where exactly.

[Anonymous No.6457049]

>>6456933
>>6456938
>>6456943
Not terrible, probably a little cringe but unless you were making this for yourself alone you'd have to get over that eventually. Own the cringe.
Panel flow and arrangement looks good to me, I'm assuming it's read left to right. Page 1 middle row conveys apprehension well. 6 of these a day is pretty good pace too.
>I hate showing unfinished work
I know the feeling, don't force yourself to post if you don't want to, I'm just a bit of a voyeuristic cunt who likes to pry into other peoples work

[Anonymous No.6457057]

Comicfury is so fucking good. I can upload my comic using the horizontal way of reading which is the way I have designed my comic to be readed. Pretty underrated platform. Btw chapter 7 is finally out and soon all the rest.
https://blueparrotbeak.thecomicseries.com/

[Anonymous No.6457060]

>>6457057
Oh, I will post mine there too then. I'm a bit skeptical with webtoon

[Anonymous No.6457068]

>>6457060
I highly recommend. And there is no restriction to gore, violence and sex, you are free. You can even set for it to be hide

[Anonymous No.6457075]

>>6455660
Are you northern English by any chance?

[Anonymous No.6457193]

>attached to a hairstyle design
>it's a complete pain in the ass to do at certain angles
I just wanted to make my MC recognizable

[Anonymous No.6457225]

>>6457049
Thanks, but they're not all of this quality. Sadly I'm still indecisive on the story and now I'm back to wageslavery. I'd be happy if I could maintain this but sadly not.

I'm confident in some of my ideas but execution I'm somewhat hesitant. I'll post the rest when I'm finished.

[Anonymous No.6457241]

>>6457193
2 options:
don't draw your mc at those angles
mann up

[Anonymous No.6457253]

>>6457075
Scandinavian

[Anonymous No.6457256]

>>6457253
>Scandinavian

I bet you like the Don Rosa and Carl Bark's duck books huh ?

[Anonymous No.6457257]

>>6457193
If you're not drawing in a more realistic style you can probably "cheat" to keep it looking good no matter the angle even if it's not super correct, basically all cartoony designs do it to some extent.
Avoiding awkward or unflattering angles is completely valid too, I just skimmed through a few volumes of Ashita no Joe while trying to think of examples and I didn't see that motherfucker face the camera straight-on even once.

[Anonymous No.6457262]

>>6457256
No idea what you're getting at but never heard of either of them kek

[Anonymous No.6457282]

>>6457241
I'm brute forcing it, pulling up references from all over japan to try and find an appealing way to draw it.
>>6457257
Initially I was going to do the goku thing, where no matter what direction he faces the hair magically looks the same. But I found that's much harder to do with hair that isn't black. I also have been skimming several manga titles that have unusual hair styles and find that their authors really do avoid certain angles almost completely. I started out with more cartoonish art that simplified the problem but I've moved towards more detailed stuff but refuse to change the hairstyle I'm attached to. Another thing I noticed was how few mangakas want to draw forehead slopes at a 3/4 angle. Damn near everybody has bangs/fringe to cover that up.

[Anonymous No.6457310]

>>6457282
I think that's caused by those kinds of bang-heavy hairstyles being more flattering on the large-ish stylised heads rather than the brow ridge itself, since it looks fine when a character does have it exposed.
Good luck Anon. Cartooning is hard but it's kind of nice seeing how many artists before suffered the same struggles and the ways they solved it.

[Anonymous No.6457322]

>>6457310
Thanks, I've come a long way but no matter how much I improve I still see so much stylish compositional mastery when I open up my favorite mangas, that I haven't grasped. I both get, and don't get, why the legends put themselves through this. Ganbatte and so on and so forth.

[Anonymous No.6457336]

>>6457253
Ahhh nm, the way you abbreviate your sentences is exactly how people talk here

[Anonymous No.6457338]

>>6457336
They say "y'all" in the norf?

[Anonymous No.6457557]

Riddle me this:

Why is every user created manga posted here soooo basic bitch generic?
None of you can realistically expect this to turn profit, you were born ngmi, you are free to go balls to the walls crazy with premise and experimental with execution, yet the stuff you put out is one level of fodder isekai but with worse art.
I am pure consumer of comics I lack the skills, the discipline and most importantly the desire to make one but even I can come up with a better premise than all of you combined in under 10 seconds (this could be because when you were grinding loomis I was reading comics). I bet I could panel better than you too!

How come so called creatives, hobbyists to boot unburdened by the need to sell thier shit to NPC normies, cannot create anything cool? (The Bardic Fury guy is prolly an exception, it has a tiny bit of spark in his works even if not my cup of tea)

[Anonymous No.6457599]

>>6457557
>I am pure consumer of comics I lack the skills, the discipline and most importantly the desire to make one but even I can come up with a better premise than all of you combined in under 10 seconds (this could be because when you were grinding loomis I was reading comics). I bet I could panel better than you too!
Do it then. Prove you're better than us.

[Anonymous No.6457614]

>>6457193
oof I totally know how you feel anon.
It's even worse when you have a hairstyle that's asymmetrical and you want to show it from both sides.
I've seen some artists just flip the hair depending on the angle to always show the good side but I feel like an idiot whenever I do that.
I hate creating inconsistencies, especially with something as small as hairstyles.
I haven't shied away from drawing my characters at certain angles but sometimes the hairstyle looks natural and other times it looks like dogshit.

But recently I've started constructing my hairstyles from the ground up like you would with a body instead of slapping shapes onto them until it looks good.
I've found that it's much easier to draw hairstyles at multiple angles that way.
Still not completely satisified but I'm getting there.

[Anonymous No.6457628]

>>6457557
Writing is just like drawing. Your first work will be complete garbage.
For some of the anons in this thread it might be their very first attempt at creating a comic.
Even if you know what makes a great comic great, actually putting in the time and making these ideas a reality is a different beast and incredibly humbling.
Playing it safe and creating something somewhat generic is way better for learning story writing, character writing, dialogue, pacing, paneling and so on instead of trying to make your magnum-opus on your first try.
They're doing their steps towards becoming better artists and writers by just creating something even if it's garbage and learning from it (hopefully).
You don't believe that all the successful comic-artists hit gold with their very first comic(s), do you?

[Anonymous No.6457691]

>>6457628
He said he's a consoomer, i.e probably falls in between the 50-80 IQ range.
Hubris, naivety etc is typical in brainlets, unless he's just baiting

[Anonymous No.6457724]

>>6457628
There’s a big difference between cool and original garbage and generic garbage. By making garbage you learn how to make better garbage and how to make it faster but in the end you’re still making generic garbage. Comic industry is very good and producing large quantities of masterwork generic garbage as a result of this mentality.

[Anonymous No.6457808]

>>6457614
>asymmetrical and you want to show it from both sides.
Yup that's one of my problems alright, and I also feel like an idiot when I do the magic side flip. That pic says it all.
My particular design isn't completely unrealistic so it is by all means possible to convincingly draw it from all angles, but it's not only time consuming but just a touch beyond my skill set. I'm really studying the shape of skulls and the way locks of hair grow out of them, but then I also have to convert that to stylized shapes that suit my chosen style. Figure out what liberties I should take with shape placement at awkward angles so it doesn't look goofy. And then I'll have to be consistent with it every goddamn time. Bodies and clothing inconsistencies can be forgiven but when a characters head looks off, everyone can immediately tell something is off. I'm always amazed how mangaka keep their art so crisp for 10+ years at a time.

[Anonymous No.6457872]

Big hurdle for me was learning to accept that my characters are going to resemble some other character, somewhere. Every time I would happen across some established character who looked like one of mine, it was back to the drawing board. But now I'm convinced that, as far as semi-realistic Humans go, every possible shape, color scheme, clothing design, hairstyle combination has been done already by someone somewhere.

[Anonymous No.6457915]

>>6457872
Art style is part of the character design and likeness anyway, how you represent those parts you listed is just as important as the parts themselves.

[Anonymous No.6458758]

Working on my first oneshot. As practice for my passion project.
Sketching out the first few pages.

[Anonymous No.6458858]

How do you guys manage your time? How do you keep on track to not miss your deadlines? Interested in hearing all perspectives

[Anonymous No.6458882]

>>6458858
Nobody here has deadlines. But a good rule is to treat it like an actual job schedule, have a "clock-in" time, designated break times, and a "clock-out" time. You need to be extra diligent because you have to be your own supervisor and make sure you are actually working during those hours and not screwing off.

Or you could be like Toriyama and just do everything the day before it's due and spend the rest of the week playing video games

[Anonymous No.6458938]

>>6458882
how do i draw as fast as Toriyama?

[Anonymous No.6458970]

>>6449833
not from my comic, just borrowing one of the main characters to be the central narrator for this 3 pages short story for a contest.

[Anonymous No.6458972]

>>6458938
Just move your pen faster

[Anonymous No.6459041]

>>6458858
Actually having the deadline (that isn't self-set and self-kept) goes a long way toward making deadlines. For there to be a hard date where if I don't have your shit done by then you'll lose the gig or whatever helps a lot. But it doesn't work if it's a fake deadline that you set for yourself and that you know nothing will really happen if you miss it.
>>6458882
Speak for yourself, I have hard deadlines.

>>6458938
By leaving everything for the last day and having no choice but to finish it in time or lose your whole career.

[Anonymous No.6459426]

>>6457338
No, it's the structure of the sentence. The filler words are removed;
"I'll take a walk around to the shop today"
becomes
"I'm off to the shop today"

[Anonymous No.6459431]

>>6459426
People talk like that all over. I'm australian and we speak like that.

[Anonymous No.6459563]

>>6452869
>>6452871
Simple, save the perspective lines/general layout and then draw over them.

[Anonymous No.6459565]

>>6458972
He's just talking about storyboards though, rough drawings.

[Anonymous No.6459580]

How did you all learn to improve your anatomy? My bodies still suck.

[Anonymous No.6459588]

>>6459580
Just buy anatomy books and draw everything in them. Also draw from life if you can.

[Anonymous No.6459591]

>>6458972
>>6458882
There's no way that dude was "drawing everything a day before it's due" I don't care what he says.

[Anonymous No.6459636]

>>6459591
Yeah bro and Oda totally only sleeps 2 hours a week, he said so!

[Anonymous No.6459852]

>>6459580
I've been using anatomy for sculptors, make sure you're learning proportions too, properly anatomical figures fall flat when not well proportioned

[Anonymous No.6459857]

>>6459580
Use a mirror.

[Anonymous No.6459896]

>>6459857
I'm fat

[Anonymous No.6459981]

>>6459857
I'm not a girl with a huge futa cock, so that's not gonna work out.

[Anonymous No.6459997]

>>6459591
>There's no way that dude was "drawing everything a day before it's due" I don't care what he says.
My man Frazetta here would rush paintings the night before.

[Anonymous No.6461784]

>>6459580
I watched a lot akihito yoshitomi drawing practice playlist on youtube

[Anonymous No.6461788]

>>6459997
no benis

[Anonymous No.6461876]

I... i don't know how to start, do i make a simple page and then start the story or i start it like a series (one page with a little introduction and then a spread)

[Anonymous No.6461891]

>>6461876
Start it how your favorite comics start, easy as

[Anonymous No.6461924]

Ok here's my idea, just need to get it down before I forget, will draw a sketch before the end of today:

>THE ADVENTURES OF CARPAL TUNNEL MAN

1: *zoom in on ctm man*
CTM: "Stop right there Doctor A.I. ! You better let her go!"

2:*Typical james bondian scenario where Doc has a girl strapped down awaiting a lasery demise*
Doc: "Mwahaha! I'm afraid you're too late! In 5 minutes, my laser will use her DNA structure as the ultimate drawing prompt!
Girl: Save me Carpal tunnel man!

3: *closeup of Doc*
Doc: Now, there is one way you can save her: Simply draw my waifu before the laser eradicates her! Now, that shouldn't be a problem now for you?

4:*Closeup of CTM sweating*
inner thoughts: Damn! That fiend! There's no way I can fully render his waifu faster than an AI can...No.. I must remember my training....

5: *CTM under a waterfall with sensei Glenn vilppu standing next to it on land*
Vilppu: Remember, it is not the form we feel, but the form that feels us.

6: *CTM eyes closed*
"-the form that feels us..."

7:*CTM eyes flash open*
"OH!

8:*Zoom out on scene with CTM scribbling on paper while Doc and girl watch*
SKRTCH SKRTCH sound effect

9:*zoom in on obviously chicken scratchy warbly line, juvenile drawing of generic anime girl*
"Hows this Doc?!"

10: *doc has hands clasped together with heart eyes*
S-SOVL!
*girl in background is zapped by laser and computer screen shows generic ai generated image*

[Anonymous No.6462060]

>>6459896
>>6459981
You can still use yourself as reference for the pose, expressions, and hands.

[Anonymous No.6462145]

>try to take a comic class
>6 hours into class
>dude is still just going over his resume and past work
>not a single comic drawing tip given
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.6462146]

>>6462145
lawl, online or in-person?

[Anonymous No.6462151]

>>6462146
online.
nma meme school, george pratt's class.

like dude has some amazing looking comics, just like come on man. give me something to work with here.

[Anonymous No.6462442]

>>6462145
Same thing happened to me. The teacher makes pretty cool comics but could only talk about his trip to Japan, his favorite comics and his resume. It was an in person full weekend “workshop”. I love comics deeply, but I swear to god, art schools focused in comics are the biggest jokes out there.

[Anonymous No.6462851]

>>6449833
How does this artist achieve those intriciate marks on his drawing? Did he just use ink? I want to draw a concrete texture and concrete looks like that but im not sure how to do it. I dont know how to make those marks.

[Anonymous No.6462872]

>>6462851
That's likely a screentone.

[Anonymous No.6462882]

>>6462851
Definitely wasn't done with a pen, could be a screentone, a towel or a sponge might produce a similar effect

[Anonymous No.6462918]

>>6462882
Yea, theres just so many tools that go into manga making and so many unique ways to utilize them. I wish there was a cohesive resource on manga making and all the tools used to create certain effects but thats probably too specific and hopeful. Just gotta figure it out all by myself through testing with various csp brushes and tricks and whatnot.

I wanna figure how to do certain textures like pic related.

[Anonymous No.6462933]

>>6462851
>>6462918
These look like digitally altered photo textures

[Anonymous No.6462949]

>>6462851
otomo specifically used custom screentones that were derived from gustav dore's illustrations of don quixote. so essentially, it can be done with pen (franklin booth replicated textures achieved by etching in pen and ink),

[Anonymous No.6462963]

>>6449833
>head inexplicably cut off by top of panel
So they're now using AI too

[Anonymous No.6462973]

>>6462949
sauce? Sounds interesting, I'd love to read more about it.

[Anonymous No.6463501]

>>6462963
It's a stylistic choice. The MC's face is intentionally never shown throughout the entire comic

[Anonymous No.6463509]

>>6462963
That comic was made before all your AI niggery. Fuck off pajeet shill.

[Anonymous No.6463620]

>>6462963

[Anonymous No.6464110]

>>6453053

[Anonymous No.6466029]

new 12 page update
https://tapas.io/episode/2738220

[Anonymous No.6466079]

>>6462145
>>6462151
I hated that class too

[Anonymous No.6466083]

My Japanese studies are wearing down on me and i feel like giving up. Is this a good idea? I feel like Japanese is preventing me from making my comics...

[Anonymous No.6466088]

Be brutal anon

[Anonymous No.6466092]

>>6462949
This shit its false

[Anonymous No.6466534]

>>6466029
Kek, is this an evil magical girl?

[Anonymous No.6466541]

>>6466534
She's pretty evil but in this scene she's temporarily teaming with the good guys to fight the even more evil main boss bad guys

[Anonymous No.6466587]

>>6466541
This looks fun

[Anonymous No.6466625]

>>6459591
he´s talking about Dr. Slump

[Anonymous No.6466628]

>>6466625
wrong pic

[Anonymous No.6466638]

>>6466625
>>6466628
He clearly says he was making a kung-fu manga, of which Dr Slump is not. Dragonaball is (was)

[Anonymous No.6466715]

>>6466638
Dr slump is the one he was working on (serialized) the dragon ball prototype was a side project

[Anonymous No.6466741]

>>6466638
That kung-fu manga IS early dragon ball...

[Anonymous No.6467624]

>>6450038

Thanks anon, you saved me from having to ask.

[Anonymous No.6467629]

Anyone actually tried posting to MangaDex?

It says on there you have to be "Asian." I don't know how the fuck they're enforcing that?

[Anonymous No.6467639]

>>6467629
I have.
>It says on there you have to be "Asian."
Is that new? That wasn't anywhere I could see when I put my series up there (around the end of 2021), and I wasn't asked if I was asian or anything. Just ask them.

[Anonymous No.6467653]

>>6467639

"Only titles that are Japanese, Korean, Chinese or other Asian origin are allowed. Exceptions can be made, but contact staff beforehand."

Their first rule of submission. I'd heard people were posting their stuff there so I thought I'd look into it.

[Anonymous No.6467658]

>>6467653
That's so that people aren't throwing up that's month's Spiderman or whatever. Just contact them.

[Anonymous No.6467776]

>>6467629
I post on mangadex and I'm not asian. Many would describe my style as weeboo westerner and not manga, but mangadex still lets me post it there.
https://mangadex.org/title/77f67cab-3624-4e81-8663-bddfe7723282/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury

You have to contact the discord mods and send them your comic-then they'll decide if you can post it or not.
>>6466587
it is, you should check it out
https://tapas.io/series/Oi
https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury/list?title_no=303092

[Anonymous No.6467791]

what ink is good to use with alcohol markers?

the Ink I have been using with my gpen makes the lines bleed even after drying.

[Anonymous No.6467814]

>>6467791
Jetpens has an article comparing comic inks that lists which are marker-proof.

[Anonymous No.6468011]

I'm giving up on Japanese.
I'm giving up on Shonen Jump.
I'm giving up on Monochrome Comics.

I WILL color my comics
I WILL start a series on Webtoons.
I WILL inject lots of romance into my story.
I WILL be the leader of the new American Comics boom!

And all of (you) will be joining me!

[Anonymous No.6468168]

>>6467658
>>6467776

Fair enough. I'll give it a go.

I've got a few styles that should be "manga enough."

[Anonymous No.6468294]

>>6468168
Yep you're good, they'll let you in for sure

[Anonymous No.6468466]

>Page 1
>First draft: 12th December, 2022
>Current draft: 11th January, 2023
>Panel 1 is not yet inked

[Anonymous No.6468500]

>>6468466
Set deadlines for yourself

[Anonymous No.6468519]

>>6468500
I have been, but this is my first time, and I always end up scrapping whatever I make, deadlines met or not.

[Anonymous No.6468771]

>>6467629
>>6467639
>asian only
lmao for real !!?? welp i know a guy there so i think i'll be fine if i'm planing to put my stuff in there lol

[Anonymous No.6469163]

>>6468011
American Comics need to come back, it's cooler than manga.

[Anonymous No.6469251]

>>6453571
updated to better fit your schema. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.6469488]

>>6467629
Where could I find your stuff ?

[Anonymous No.6469528]

>>6469163
>>6468011

based

[Anonymous No.6470728]

>>6469251
This is just a test, but more interesting fonts would do wonders. These are all free, too.

[Anonymous No.6470889]

Hmm I think her dress is too short to be a priestess. But anyway Im already drawing a barefeet loli so my unconscious must be very degen lol

[Anonymous No.6470899]

>>6467629
that's racist.

[Anonymous No.6470903]

>>6469163
>American Comics need to come back, it's cooler than manga.
kek, no fucking way.

[Anonymous No.6470931]

first page

[Anonymous No.6470958]

>>6470931
Nice, where can I read the rest of this?

[Anonymous No.6470978]

>>6470958
just getting started, will post more here as I progress.

[Anonymous No.6471478]

>>6470903
It has its moments. Watchmen is great if a bit aged in the modern era, Sandman has incredibly snappy and clever writing I'd sooner expect from a book, and Spiderman is so tenured it's had great storylines by sheer law of averages. Not to mention many older, more experienced and passionate artists in the western world today were raised on bronze- or dark age comic books, which means a lot of fantastic art comes out of them. Alex Ross, Valerio Giangiordano, Raymond Gay, and that's just off the top of my head.

I'm sure people would lose their fucking mind if picrel was some up-and-coming indie manga and wasn't capeshit.

[Anonymous No.6471555]

>>6471478
I do love western comic book art, some of these guys are ridiculously talented but I can't stand the cape shit. Watchmen is cool, Spawn was cool for a while in the beginning... all the "___Man" shit is beyond tiresome. Robert Kirkman, wish there were more like him. I just wish more stuff from the west respected their audience a bit more. Japanese just tend to tell better stories though, that's the main thing.

[Anonymous No.6471562]

>>6470889
Don't forget to flip canvas if you don't already I think the priestess's left leg's perspective is off. Looking forward to reading it when you're done

[Anonymous No.6471583]

>>6471478
Problem is that even though there are many indie artists who can draw like this, they cannot write a story or market themselves.

People working together on a creative endeavor without their egos and personalities scuttling the whole project without a corpo overlord keeping them all wrangled is highly unlikely, as we see from there being nothing in that vein happening. Even people who can't write for shit still won't want to just go with whatever some other guy writes, and people who can't draw vastly undervalue those who can (as in, don't think they should be paid for it)

And then every other talentless faggot is your standard "ideas guy" who fancies themselves the next Moore (because he just copies Moore)

Comics making is really a shit show and it's no wonder most prefer working solo and why indies don't produce big impressive projects

[Anonymous No.6471616]

>>6471555
>>6471583
Indeed. And that's without even mentioning that these are the cream of the crop. Western comics have a bad habit of feeling incredibly immaturely created, not just in the sense of having very simple themes, but that their writers seem to have pretty surface level grasps on a lot of concepts. In fact, surface level is a good term for it. Now, I'm probably a lot more anti-anime and anti-manga than most people in this thread - I generally despise the modern state of them and think they've flanderized themselves into oblivion - but one thing I can't deny is that there are those stories that have that 'understanding' in them only a writer with deeper thoughts can have. That medium awareness that second order thinking that's usually reserved for non-comic mediums in western media.

This probably comes from the fact most comic writers don't own their properties and kind of get handed them offhand with significant limitations on what they must and must not do.

Also sometimes this shit happens.

[Anonymous No.6471694]

>>6471478
>>6471555
>>6471616

Read more comics. The western market is full of interesting comics. Zdarsky, Lemire, Waid, King, Warren Johnson, Harren, Sean Murphy, Joe Hill, Mignola, Spurrier, MacLean, Chiang, and so on.

Mangas seem better because we cherry-pick them, we tend to read what is interesting enough to be translated.

And even then, everything isn't at Urasawa's level.

[Anonymous No.6471751]

>>6471694
Yeah, I know. I'm a defender of comics, remember. I just have a lot of criticisms of the sequential art market in general - and I guess the media market as a whole - no matter where it is. Sturgeon's law etcetera.

[Anonymous No.6471769]

>>6471694
Titles are what people care about, not writers. Show them a good title to read and maybe they will give it a chance, nobody is going to go looking through the long catalog of some random-sounding last name.

That's another pitfall of Western comics is that they and their fans have made them terribly inaccessible to anyone not already in the know.

[Anonymous No.6471798]

FUCKING FUCK
THE LIGHT FLICKERED AND I LOST MY SKETCH
FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.6471800]

>>6471798
That’s God telling you to do better and draw it again

[Anonymous No.6471817]

>>6471800
Well, now I'm out of patience to draw anything. Thanks God

[Anonymous No.6471996]

>>6471769
>Show them a good title to read and maybe they will give it a chance

What?
This is a thread about making comics, if you don't recognize the names I mentioned you don't know what's going on in the American mainstream market right now and that's exclusively your problem, I don't have to convince anyone.

You don't care because you want to focus on "making manga"? Whatever, But don't talk about how the "western" write comics because you don't actually know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.6472015]

>>6471798
I had that problem once and immediately bought a power supply strip. They're expensive but worth it to avoid the suffering of losing work.

[Anonymous No.6472022]

>>6468011
Based, I'm joining you but
>I WILL inject lots of romance into my story.
Why? That's not necessary especially if you target any demographic that's not middle aged women.

[Anonymous No.6472048]

>>6472022
Just personal preference! You do you!!!

[Anonymous No.6472086]

>>6472022
Apparently romance written in manga and comics are usually self-indulging and don't do anything to drive the plot and readers can pick up on that and lose interest in your story. Even for fujos, they'd rather use their imaginations to fuel ships.

There's even some people who actively look for stories with zero romance in them because they're so fed up with how it's handled.

[Anonymous No.6472101]

>>6471562
better now?

[Anonymous No.6472136]

>>6468011
>I WILL inject lots of romance into my story.
you and me both man.

[Anonymous No.6472154]

>>6471996
another comics chud reveals them self. no wonder western comics are dying

[Anonymous No.6472175]

>>6472154
>another comics chud reveals them self.

I've never said western comics are better, or the opposite, learn to read, it's a stupid argument.

[Anonymous No.6472188]

>>6471562
better?

[Anonymous No.6472238]

>>6472086
I like the Toriyama approach to ships; just have them already paired up after a timeskip.

[Anonymous No.6472468]

>>6472086
how do you explain the mass popularity of webtoon and mahnwa that is exclusively about relationships and ships? Not to mention the harem genre popular in manga

[Anonymous No.6472474]

>>6472188
ye

[Anonymous No.6472580]

I looked it up and it says deleter 4 is alcohol marker safe, but when I use go over it with my ohuhu markers it makes it bleed even if I leave it to dry for 2 hours.

Does anyone know any ink that you can confirm works with ohuhu markers?

[Anonymous No.6472747]

>>6472188
6 pages for now

[Anonymous No.6473078]

>>6468168
I want to read your work. Do you have a link for me?

[Anonymous No.6473127]

>>6471769
>>6471996
Case in point

[Anonymous No.6473198]

>>6473127
You're lazy, because you don't really care about making comics.

[Anonymous No.6473275]

>>6473198
pyc

[Anonymous No.6473363]

>>6471769
I don't particularly care about gating an art form by whether or not you know the name of some half dozen artists involved in it, but I will say that comic book fans are more likely than almost any other consumer to specify they like a specific artist or writer, rather than liking a title. This is partially owed to the frequent reboots / Crisis events making a unified canon nonexistent, but more importantly, the long term serialization meaning that the character is heavily dependant on the writer and artist. Have a serious conversation with comic book fans about their favorite superhero or comic run and they'll probably go ''[This character], but only when written by Alan Moore''.

I do specify comic book FANS here, not the average consumer, because the average Marvel or DC consumer doesn't even read comic books, let alone have favorite runs. Making something appealing to the masses is an entirely different deal than making something good enough to have fans.

[Anonymous No.6473499]

Which comic / manga artists do great backgrounds? I know it's very common to do filtered photographs or defer it to assistants who go without the credit they deserve, but still.

[Anonymous No.6473510]

>>6473499
Oda assistant

[Anonymous No.6473530]

>>6472468
like how women dominate the video game market by the sheer amount of normies who exclusively play mobile games

[Anonymous No.6473718]

>>6473499
Ashita no Joe's are really good at selling you on the space the characters inhabit by showing them occupying it and having the way they're drawn fit and complement the whole (instead of there being a disconnect with the characters, like a lot of modern manga). As a plus, there's a lot of really interesting crowd scenes.
They're good environments, rather than merely backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.6473720]

>>6473718

[Anonymous No.6474120]

>>6473510
Wtf wrong with this page

[Anonymous No.6474384]

would converting a manga style comic into webtoon format still be popular on the site? has anyone done that and been successful? everything i see on there is scrolling through individual one by one images
i fucking despise that format with a passion, i will never conform to it but i want people to read my shit

[Anonymous No.6474392]

>>6474384
It won't, since manga is ass to read on the phone. Just draw it as a page and splice it into the vertical scroll. Alternatively, just draw directly onto the vertical scroll. I've seen some webtoon tankobons at my bookstore and the editors there know how to convert a webtoon into a comic REALLY well, like, they don't lose any space at all. It's one of the things that's encouraging me to post on webtoons, actually, knowing that my work can still be printed and loved.

[Anonymous No.6474426]

its so easy to create side characters but i still don't have a main character tieing the whole story together

[Anonymous No.6474437]

>>6474426
I struggle with setting a big goal for the whole story.

[Anonymous No.6474466]

>>6474120
>weekly
>2 page spread
You wouldn't understand....

[Anonymous No.6475365]

>>6474426
>>6474426
Write inherently contradictory characters:

Jotaro Kujo
>Stone-cold stoic
>Will risk life and limb for his mother

Hisoka
>Sociopathic pedophile
>Protects the children he wants to "eat" the most

Makima
>protective mother figure
>also abusive and predatory

Okabe Rintaro
>A doofus, unemployed and uneducated
>Also invented a time-machine
>Is a Christ-like savior figure

This is the technique to create fascinating main characters.

[Anonymous No.6475408]

>>6474426
Great main characters compliment, contrast, or encompass the themes of the story. Find your themes and you'll have your man. And make sure he's likable.

[Anonymous No.6475475]

>>6473499
In manga assistants do backgrounds, the author only do the characters. Anything by Katsuhiro otomo have nice BG.

[Anonymous No.6475483]

>>6475475
Not all manga use assistants. For example, Q Hayashida claims to not have worked with assistants during Dorohedoro's run in the afterword, and I seem to recall reading a claim by Tsutomu Nihei in the afterwords for Blame! too though I'm not as sure about that and may be something my memory is farting up.
Anyway both of them a great examples for >>6473499 so check them out. And assistants typically ARE credited, but that part is rarely translated. Some manga credit the assistants right on the page, like movie credits. Rookies did it, as did Fire Punch, and there are bound to be other examples that I'm failing to remember (or just haven't seen yet).

[Anonymous No.6475498]

>>6474426
Create a side character and make them a main character.
A easy way to make side characters for me is to make
them in one way or another related to the main character.
Be it literal, symbolic, thematic or to be there for contrast.
Just make sure they fit and have a place in the world.

[Anonymous No.6475629]

>>6453315
>>6453571
>>6469251
>>6470728
Damn, that advice really improved the cover, nice job anons

[Anonymous No.6475633]

>>6474384
Sounds like a pain in the ass

[Anonymous No.6475635]

>>6475629
source?

[Anonymous No.6475658]

>>6475635
Reverse image search gives the sauce.

[Anonymous No.6475659]

>>6475635
jennalynnmeowri on twatter

[Anonymous No.6475673]

>>6475659
thnx anon

[Anonymous No.6476016]

>>6449833
Hey guys I have a question:What do you think is the best resoutce on learning how to make manga?

[Anonymous No.6476035]

>>6476016
I'm not sure that there is any comprehensive resource on just "making manga", in the same way that there isn't one on making movies or making animations. There's too many elements to really cover, and most elements are creative, not technical, meaning there isn't a single "right" way to do it, merely wrong ways. The best way to learn is to make your own things and analyze manga you like, applying what you observe in your own stuff as immediately as you can. That's how the pros learnt, by copying the mangaka that they grew up on and branching off from that.

[Anonymous No.6476040]

>>6476016
I wish I knew. When I get published, I'll write up a sticky for this general.

[Anonymous No.6476100]

>>6454002
I quite liked it. Seems intriguing. Unique art style.

[Anonymous No.6476120]

Any resource in how to grayscale ? I hate screentones.

[Anonymous No.6476222]

How did manga artists achieve the weird BG effect used here? I know I can likely replicate it with CSP's liquefy, but does anyone know anything more specific?
Page from Bakune Young

[Anonymous No.6476245]

>>6476222
It's a screentone. You buy them at art supply stores. Some of them have been digitize and can be downloaded such as through Clip Studio, but not all of them.

[Anonymous No.6476285]

>>6476245
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.6476322]

Started a 33-ish paged mecha one-shot to practice drawing a scifi setting

>>6476100
cheers

[Anonymous No.6476397]

Forgot this board existed. I have been posting in the /hyw/ thread on /co/, but my comic is pretty manga influenced. you can see my updates on bermaru.com

[Anonymous No.6476407]

>>6476397
I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't post this, but what part of this is manga influenced? I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.6476420]

>>6476407
>what part of this is manga influenced?
all of it. I have more interest in manga than western comics. so that's the influence.
I could get autistic about what defines a manga style , but that might take awhile.

[Anonymous No.6476442]

>>6476016
practice.

[Anonymous No.6476444]

>>6476442
>practice.
this , and study good manga that you like

[Anonymous No.6476603]

>>6476420
so cute

[Anonymous No.6476686]

>>6476397
>>6476420
Hey, I remember you from jp, wonder how many years it's been since then. Good to see that you're still active, and that your art's gotten better.

[Anonymous No.6476821]

>>6476420
I like this, lotsa sovl and rare instance of hand written lettering working well

[Anonymous No.6476859]

Does anyone here have any example of a manga panel where a close object is out of focus? I don't mean motion blur but just lens focus so to speak. I don't want to have to use the blur tool i was hoping someone had an ink/screentone example from a manga I could reference.

[Anonymous No.6476915]

>>6476420
No offense my man but this looks like it draws more influence from Teen Titans than anything related to manga. I don't want to start a gay "but what is manga" debate though, so feel free to keep posting it. I just thought it was odd.

[Anonymous No.6476971]

Gentlemen, familiar with inking but terribly unfamiliar with values. I've done some painting study but that's with a paint brush, not with a pen. How do I start with adding light and dark to my pages? What I'm doing now just doesn't work. I'm working digitally to be clear.

[Anonymous No.6477010]

>>6476603
>so cute
thanks
>>6476686
>I remember you from jp
yes, last I went to /jp/ the art thread seemed really touhou centric, not really a place for me there
>>6476821
>I like this, lotsa sovl and rare instance of hand written lettering working well
thanks, nice yous, I will spend them wisely.
>>6476915
>Teen Titans
not what I was going for, maybe I will never really be japanese after all.

[Anonymous No.6477196]

I have two questions:

>What do you do if everyone's already done all your ideas?

>What do you do if you have an idea but don't know how to pad it out to be longer than a single volume?

[Anonymous No.6477232]

>>6471694
>Zdarsky, Lemire, Waid, King
these guys are all garbage shitter tier.

[Anonymous No.6477241]

>>6477196
>What do you do if everyones already done all your ideas
There's no such thing as an idea that hasn't been thought of. There are an almost infinite number of ways to do an idea, the vast majority of which haven't been done, and many of which could only be done by someone like you. Some of them are even good.

>What do you do if you have an idea but don't know how to pad it out to be longer than a single volume?
Make it a single volume, or mix it in with other ideas. If an idea only works in a vacuum with itself, then it's not a good idea.

Ultimately, such a vague question is hard to answer in a way that you want to hear.

[Anonymous No.6477265]

>>6476971
Here's my process:
>draw page, ink page
>scan page
>clip studio paint
>convert brightness to opacity to extract line art
>make layer below this, fill in greys here, screentone aswell if I want
it's actually pretty simple ngl. Just make sure your original linework is clean af

[Anonymous No.6477279]

>>6477241
This is actually more helpful than you know, thank you!

[Anonymous No.6477760]

when I see webcomics/webtoons with shit art being talked about/liked, it boils my blood for some reason. Like seeing an ugly guy with a hot girl. But at the same time it motivates me because I think "if he can do it, so can I".

But I can't just make a shitty comic. I'd rather not draw than draw something I can't draw, if that makes sense. while he goes for it anyways and succeeds.

[Anonymous No.6477780]

>>6477760
That's called jealousy, anon. You are jealous.

[Anonymous No.6477986]

>>6477760
>I'd rather not draw than draw something I can't draw
ngmi attitude. To draw comics well you need to be well versed in ALL areas of drawing, so you need to move out of your comfort zone every chance you get. If it doesn't look good, do it again until it does.

[Anonymous No.6478295]

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