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/asg/ - Anime Study General Anonymous Tue Dec 27 22:55:51 2022 No.6441600 [Reply] [Original]

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjx6y6B_G8

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Recommended Resources:
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Previous Thread:
>>6420939

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 27 23:04:14 2022 No.6441612 Do you use references to draw everyday interactions or not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 27 23:55:31 2022 No.6441689 >>6441600 >my friend's marisa made the OP awesome, if you're reading this you did a good job there man, and thanks for being a great pal on the art journey

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 00:10:13 2022 No.6441705 >>6441612 if u cant draw it from imagination then use a ref

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 00:46:35 2022 No.6441755 Krenz accuracy images vs Bargue, which one should i do first? Or both at same time?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 02:46:09 2022 No.6441985 >>6441755 All of them u coward. Start now and push hard or u will never make it

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 03:08:50 2022 No.6442003 File: 1.16 MB, 1024x767, 1672188773607978.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 03:29:29 2022 No.6442028 File: 461 KB, 1800x1280, 1671779935013611.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6442003 Keyyyybooaardddd

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 03:36:48 2022 No.6442035 >>6442028 >he doesn't have a keybark to PROOOOOOOOOMPT on yikes!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 20:07:10 2022 No.6443234 how big is the difference between drawing with a tablet and stylus and just drawing on my phone with fingers(my own fingers)?

Anonymous Wed Dec 28 20:25:55 2022 No.6443281

>>6443234
pretty big difference, you're not going to have nearly the same accuracy
if you have no other option, getting a cheap universal phone stylus is better than fingers, but at that point you should really just use pen and paper instead
>my own fingers
I would have assumed so, but now I think you're a psycho with a box of severed fingers

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 22:53:09 2022 No.6443556 File: 296 KB, 1150x1031, 1672259077863046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the artist who drew this hid on anon and called majiks art bad projection at its finest

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 23:07:16 2022 No.6443589 >>6443234 I've seen pros use finger on a tablet and a mouse to do work so it doesn't matter but a phone screen is probably just too small

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 28 23:33:21 2022 No.6443633 File: 163 KB, 960x1280, F32921E4-F77F-475B-A5BF-A43660C4F88C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cards

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 03:10:45 2022 No.6443881 File: 361 KB, 1064x1500, Fj7ebRFVsAArsnR.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I become better at lineart? Should I just trace good lineart and hope I suddenly ''get'' it? What would it take to get to this level, for example?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 03:48:24 2022 No.6443948 >>6443881 There's really no way around lineart. Either have the talent or draw a fucking ton and get enough experience to know what ur doing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 03:55:49 2022 No.6443966 >>6443881 its all muscle memory, you can do stuff like draw straight parallel lines and cross hatch in odd shapes without going outside the lines to train your line confidence a bit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 04:32:22 2022 No.6444022 >>6443881 get a big drawing tablet, draw many well thought curves, zoom in a lot, augmented stabilization, fine brush pen

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 05:23:54 2022 No.6444062 >>6443881 idk for starters just notice patterns they do, like beefing up the line weight where light is completely occluded. particularly acute angles

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 05:48:37 2022 No.6444094 Has anyone tried AI to generate cool looking poses? I'd like to try that instead of copying another doujin page.

Anonymous Thu Dec 29 06:03:40 2022 No.6444109

>>6443881
>read pen & ink by guptill, it's literally what mangakas study
>take a few pieces of lineart from an artist you like and try to do a study from like where you imitate the style of rendering on a more simplistic object
>do a rough sketch and then try different line techniques on another layer, then try drawing another version w/o the underdrawing
what helped me a lot was taking a month where i only drew w/ the binary brush & eraser on one layer while trying to limit undos (ideally none at all) the drawings sucked compared to my normal work & were way harder at first but i learned an absolute shitton and became way more confident about working without crutches

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 06:07:02 2022 No.6444113 >>6443881 you shouldn't listen to anyone posting about lineart without a sample of their lineart

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 07:45:51 2022 No.6444257 File: 1.11 MB, 742x989, IMG_20221229_001555239.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tips on shading??

Anonymous Thu Dec 29 11:40:50 2022 No.6444566
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I'm trying to practice backgrounds, I made the character the focus and put some props in the midground(?) but what happens in the far back? I see some artists just put some gentle gradient is that enough? I feel like coming up with ideas is starting to get harder than actually drawing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 12:48:15 2022 No.6444630 >>6444566 Draw a wall with detailed paint crumbling. Or a stone wall. Or just a solid color.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 12:52:25 2022 No.6444633 >>6441600 Recruitment! https://discord.gg/ktQmpetY

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 13:10:54 2022 No.6444647 >>6444094 You don't even draw pills...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 14:17:20 2022 No.6444691 How come animation cells that have no variation in lineweight still look good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 14:21:28 2022 No.6444693 >>6444691 Can you post a reference picture of what you mean? Animation cells usually still have lineweight variation

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 14:31:04 2022 No.6444706 File: 53 KB, 640x480, 35e5a9a047a8af6643c5ce023b063d7f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6444693 Maybe my eyes are just fried and I should go to the eye doctor, but here everything besides the mouth looks pretty uniform to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 14:51:47 2022 No.6444722 >>6444706 Yes, I guess so Good luck with your question

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 19:16:31 2022 No.6445055 Anyone have a good sheet with facial expressions? Mostly interested in smiles/neutral expressions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 19:17:23 2022 No.6445056 >>6445055 make one?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 22:11:29 2022 No.6445300 >>6445055 No, you can easily find this yourself. You need to be more self-dependent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 29 23:37:31 2022 No.6445466 Why Should I Copy Anime?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 00:07:11 2022 No.6445508 >>6444257 shade better

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 00:14:37 2022 No.6445522 File: 2 KB, 461x46, 8h.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just fuck my shit up

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 02:55:38 2022 No.6445766 >>6445522 AIEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 03:02:25 2022 No.6445774 File: 31 KB, 400x362, 1661303722940293.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6445522

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 03:05:36 2022 No.6445780 >>6445522 >3.1M Views >19.1K Retweets >144K Likes https://twitter.com/houk1se1/status/1605239392603607040

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 03:14:17 2022 No.6445786 >>6445522 how is that even possible? did a famous artists retweet your post?

Anonymous Fri Dec 30 03:15:58 2022 No.6445788
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>>6445522
This is my best one, I post my finished pieces on pixiv and don't use twitter for anything except ticking the post to twitter checkbox on pixiv upload, so I got 0 views and some likes. How do people like posts but don't actually get any views?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 03:27:30 2022 No.6445810 File: 41 KB, 175x188, 1556912576767.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6445522 Bruh

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 04:09:31 2022 No.6445879 File: 540 KB, 745x846, 1666029061228069.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6445780

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 05:03:16 2022 No.6445962 >>6445522 Stop letting the numbers rot your brain and just hide your views: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/457071-remove-twitter-analytics

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 05:16:29 2022 No.6445973 >>6445780 >https://twitter.com/houk1se1/status/1605239392603607040 I like to scrape motherfuckers like him in the event they decide to quit entirely. Japs are notorious for nuking every single work they have.

Anonymous Fri Dec 30 05:32:14 2022 No.6445996
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>>6445962
>Resort to deliberately hide the number of views to cope with people actually not liking your work and remain with a blog full of blissful comforting lies.
Always remember this, the number of people that viewed your work outweighed the people that "liked" it by tenfold.

Anonymous Fri Dec 30 05:36:36 2022 No.6446001

>>6445996
>Always remember this, the number of people that viewed your work outweighed the people that "liked" it by tenfold.
Yeah, so what? You can acknowledge that a lot of people look at your work and don't like it, and strive for improvement without chasing worthless view counts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 06:07:13 2022 No.6446021 >>6445522 i bet is some bizarre thing like a pregnant dragon fucking a 3 head donkey

Anonymous Fri Dec 30 06:48:14 2022 No.6446077
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>>6444630
I went with both solid + gradient in the end, I think I'm fucked I don't have enough skill to render this properly. Line art is also going to be a bitch I've only done character portraits up to now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 09:45:11 2022 No.6446193 So it's been a year or so since Krenz, was it the way after all?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 10:15:23 2022 No.6446212 >>6446193 what the fuck is krenz

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 10:18:51 2022 No.6446216 File: 1.38 MB, 1125x2040, qm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does this shit actually work

Anonymous Fri Dec 30 11:47:41 2022 No.6446290

>>6446216
what's the point of copying if you're not even going to apply your knowledge
why is that right bow floating? you do know how they work right?
same with the formal shirt, it looks less like she's wearing it and more like it's on top of her naked body
the big overcoat and sweater? either the girl or the clothes are twice as thick now

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 18:25:39 2022 No.6446838 >>6446216 No but actually yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 21:12:58 2022 No.6447218 >>6446290 right bow floating? i dont think im following what you mean

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 22:51:20 2022 No.6447495 File: 1.32 MB, 3508x2480, NewCanvas1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6441600

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 22:51:23 2022 No.6447496 >>6441705 I want to know what other people do

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 22:52:57 2022 No.6447504 >>6447495 Please redo that leg

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 30 22:54:04 2022 No.6447509 >>6447504 why?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:06:33 2022 No.6447719 File: 210 KB, 1041x569, post.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] :/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:12:04 2022 No.6447728 File: 540 KB, 1226x567, qm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6446216 another one

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:32:56 2022 No.6447776 >>6445996 This Twitter views system is fake though. You can literally get a dosen or two of views on locked account without followers, so it's useless for actual analysis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:35:17 2022 No.6447783 >>6447776 it counts you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:36:07 2022 No.6447785 >>6447728 You don't understand the forms you're trying to replicate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:39:45 2022 No.6447800 >>6447785 please explain further

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 00:47:53 2022 No.6447828 File: 501 KB, 1226x567, 1672445524226428.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6447800 No forehead, recessed jaw, ear too far up on the head, no cranium, everything below the neck is fucked, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:19:21 2022 No.6447902 File: 147 KB, 1094x809, DWqBCcoU0AA68gP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6447828 Here you go. This is all you need to solve that issue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:27:27 2022 No.6447929 >>6447902 based

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:30:50 2022 No.6447937 File: 136 KB, 1280x720, 1653097515595.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I DON'T UNDERSTAND HIPS EVEN THOUGH I'VE STUDIED THE PELVIS A DOZEN TIMES AAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:38:12 2022 No.6447949 >>6447937 post your studies

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:39:40 2022 No.6447955 File: 443 KB, 1226x567, qm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6447902 thanks anon, this was the method i used i guess i just used it wrong, i tend to draw ears high a lot despite logically knowing that they line up with the eye.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:46:24 2022 No.6447969 >>6447955 If you ask me you should just draw your own characters. The ones you are copying are not that complex and I don't see much to be learnt from them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 01:48:52 2022 No.6447973 >>6447969 im just trying to unwesternize my art style by looking at the proportions nippons use

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 02:43:55 2022 No.6448141 >>6447973 Just draw less nose and use simple shading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6tLF7vqdZA

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 03:13:54 2022 No.6448225 Bros I hate line art so much, I do lines for maybe 5 min then go and procrastinate 20 min how do I stop this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 03:26:32 2022 No.6448267 >>6448225 No time to procrastinate, use ctrl+z more and turn up smoothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 03:52:07 2022 No.6448331 https://twitter.com/hiroya1610/status/1609033230975631361 He does in ten seconds what I haven't been able to do in ten years...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 03:58:27 2022 No.6448351 >>6448331 Well he's been doing it for like 30 years though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 03:58:56 2022 No.6448352 >>6448331 The video is sped up what is this demoralisation bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 04:05:08 2022 No.6448361 >>6448351 And? So have I. >>6448352 Irrelevant. Go ahead and say every second is an hour. In ten hours he's still leaps and bounds ahead of me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 04:06:49 2022 No.6448363 >>6448361 >And? So have I. Proof? Post your work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 04:10:59 2022 No.6448375 >>6448363 >Post your work. It's "How to draw anime" tier. There's your answer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 05:24:01 2022 No.6448525 File: 28 KB, 473x420, 1672462322111387.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6443881 >Finally git gud at lineart and basic fundies >Suck absolute ass at rendering no matter how much i practice I don't get it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 05:30:44 2022 No.6448536 >>6448525 The joke is lines don't exist, only light and shadow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 05:44:24 2022 No.6448563 >>6448331 Damn his women are fucking ripped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 06:06:44 2022 No.6448592 >>6448525 >he got good at the one thing u can dick around with it's over

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 07:20:26 2022 No.6448708 >>6448525 yeah, I know that pain rendering is just painting, time to start the grind anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 13:24:45 2022 No.6449090 File: 1.51 MB, 2894x4093, spook.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How is this line art?

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 14:57:02 2022 No.6449194 >>6449090 Don't draw with lines. You need to draw the lines too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 15:06:26 2022 No.6449204 >>6449090 what about it worries you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:26:52 2022 No.6449276 Maybe I should try to draw something without a direct reference? How will I know when I'm ready to do it after going through observational study?

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 16:57:07 2022 No.6449314
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>>6449193
Probably dumb question, but how do you draw cast shadows like this without a reference? All tutorial videos i found only teach you how to draw shadows from a simple light source, but there is no video teaching how to draw shadows that cast from other objects on your character.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 17:07:14 2022 No.6449326 >>6449314 doesn't scott robertson cover this in detail?

Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:12:00 2022 No.6449408
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>>6449314
3D thinking & knowing how light works. I'd recommend Steven Zapata's Secrets of Shading course to get an idea of how light works.
>>6418554

You could use IRL objects/toys with lighting to help too, or a 3D program if you're doing something compicated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuX6ldtaflc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:27:26 2022 No.6449445 >>6441600 Top right manga is Boku Girl, I think

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 18:31:22 2022 No.6449454 >>6447937 A dozen times? You've barely begun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 19:31:15 2022 No.6449567 Draw background first or character for a scenery shot?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 20:38:24 2022 No.6449696 >>6449567 Whichever is easier to comp

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 31 22:48:07 2022 No.6449886 >>6449194 I don't understand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:56:13 2023 No.6450184 >>6449194 If you mean the line tool I didn't use that, I just did one long stroke for the longer lines. I'm guessing that means my longer strokes are too stiff/boring?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 01:57:19 2023 No.6450187 >>6449204 I got critique on a previous piece that my lines need more definition

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:43:01 2023 No.6450431 >>6450187 Your lines need confidence they are very choppy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 04:47:54 2023 No.6450439 >>6450431 I tried to mimic the way I saw artists do it on youtube drawing shorter lines and joining them together but my hand fatigued out and the quality started dropping.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 07:28:22 2023 No.6450639 since most every mega link is dead, what's a good anime stylized study book to start on for a complete beg?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 10:58:23 2023 No.6450841 What is the best way to learn construction to draw anime? Should I just do the krenz method of copying?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 11:34:13 2023 No.6450872 File: 487 KB, 1033x1000, file015.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6449193 tried to recall >>6450841 what do you mean by construction? like to build the stylized proportions?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 12:26:54 2023 No.6450901 >>6450639 >>6450841 Just draw ffs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:10:19 2023 No.6450934 >>6450431 How do I get more confident lines?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 13:33:54 2023 No.6450965 >>6450934 Not that anon but do you have the sketch or underdrawing you did for this >>6449090 ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 17:02:21 2023 No.6451179 File: 181 KB, 1332x1828, As_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6446216 Try recreate them from memory without refs. Let's see what you've learnt.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 18:22:00 2023 No.6451280 File: 725 KB, 3947x1828, Paint_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 1 21:37:27 2023 No.6451585 >>6441600 Is there a significant difference between the 2 Krenz videos in the OP post?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 01:11:59 2023 No.6451903 File: 268 KB, 991x699, sketch1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6441600 I can't fucking draw the eye on this angle, somebody please help me I'm literally begging.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:02:31 2023 No.6451967
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>>6451757
Very nice effort anon.
I'm a bit bugged by the legs though. Yours lack important curves and the light shape isn't prominent enough. I think these small elements could elevate yours a lot more, considering how it's pretty much the focal point of the drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:20:34 2023 No.6452002 When taking the first steps to study other artworks, should I pick only lineart arts or colored ones is ok?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 02:32:33 2023 No.6452011 File: 98 KB, 1280x1280, momo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6441600

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 04:05:59 2023 No.6452138
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>>6449886
In geometry a line is 1 dimensional, in art they're thin two dimensional shapes.
Don't treat them like a 1 dimensional boundary that you outline things with to make a drawing. Treat them like a shape that needs to be drawn, because they are the drawing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 07:34:27 2023 No.6452433 >>6452011 >Couldn't even get the character's name right. ngmi

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 07:58:06 2023 No.6452447

Does anyone here use multiple different artstyles? I would think it would hinder your ability to get a reputation because most of the popular accounts I can think of are very consistent in style, quality, and activity. But it would be annoying to have to maintain different accounts or even aliases for different styles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 09:55:16 2023 No.6452527 >>6451967 Thank you yeah i can see a lot of small inaccuracies myself but i think at this point of my art journey it's the smaller things that really make a difference so i must try harder

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 10:04:42 2023 No.6452532
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>>6452447
Three things to gain popularity in social media:
1. Consistent style.
2. Predictable theme - you audience should know what type of art they can expect from you
3. Being constantly active - post new art at least once a week.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 10:08:26 2023 No.6452536 >>6452532 This is good advice and about what I expected, thanks. So you think the best course of action is just different aliases for different artstyles? (With only one being the primary effort and any others just being pure hobby)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 10:51:25 2023 No.6452557 >>6452532 1. [branding] 2. [branding] 3. [producing] Not enough branding.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 10:54:33 2023 No.6452559 File: 2.27 MB, 2894x4093, sketch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6450965 Here it is. The face is slightly different in this sketch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 10:56:06 2023 No.6452561 >>6452527 >>6451967 i reread you message and just noticed that i basically wrote the same thing you did i guess reading is the second skill i have to upgrade

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 11:54:50 2023 No.6452605
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>>6452559
I kind of see what he means. Though you have some lines that are drawn smoothly, there are a lot of smaller curves where you overlay short strokes to try to find the shape.
Have you tried that thing in the Krenz video where he splits a complicated curve with points into non-overlapping shorter curves, then draws each segment? I wonder if this might help you since I see there are certain strokes that you made confidently in one shot. In general, I think it will get better as your dexterity improves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 13:13:56 2023 No.6452643 >>6452527 >>6452561 No problem. Watching you grow is inspiring. Keep it up.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 13:58:34 2023 No.6452672 >>6452433 Whoops. I am a failure and will commit seppuku immediately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:12:33 2023 No.6452688 >>6452666 excellent

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:14:04 2023 No.6452692 how the hell do you guys pick an artist to copy to develop a style? there's freakin so many

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:16:48 2023 No.6452699 >>6452692 I use boobs shape as a guide. I only copy artists who draw based boobs shapes, lines and volume.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:18:37 2023 No.6452700 >>6452692 Get more aware of what your taste is. Plenty of artists I like but not that many I would want to immitate.

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:26:11 2023 No.6452707

Repostan a question from /beg/.
So if a /beg/ only wants to draw anime girls and nothing else, what's stopping him from acquiring basic line weight techniques (they develop with practice anyway), learning some construction, and then tracing AI artwork while fixing its most egregious flaws? It's not like anyone would complain about tracing AI shit, and it's completely unique as a base, there's no plagiarism happening.
So theoretically, all that is stopping you is your own integrity, and a possible desire to go pro (AI art would not be enough for commissions).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:28:12 2023 No.6452710 >>6452699 i too am a boob man. got any artist recommendation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 14:28:53 2023 No.6452711 >>6452707 >all that is stopping you is your own integrity Wrong, it's about the process you ingrain. I won't type more so think about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 15:02:27 2023 No.6452733 >>6452710 I enjoy Shun Saeki (toki) boobs art lines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 15:05:12 2023 No.6452734 File: 3.12 MB, 1700x1011, saeki_shun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6452710 I enjoy Shun Saeki (tosh) boobs art lines.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 15:36:38 2023 No.6452762 >>6452707 Outside of the professional level, art is something people do for fun. Does what you describe sound "fun"?

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 19:53:40 2023 No.6453035
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Sharing here as well. Could you guys give some help achieving this type of texture? I already saw a few artists with it.

It is it some type of brush? I started with Krita recently, and I would like to reproduce this coloring texture. Its kind rough? Like a crisp coal texture... I don't know how to name it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 19:58:33 2023 No.6453044 File: 261 KB, 1920x1080, 20220727221550_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can you really get better at drawing just by copying? How does that even work?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 20:01:56 2023 No.6453048 >>6453044 Kim jung gi started out copying porn then later anatomy. Multiple sketchbooks and workshops later, he can pretty much draw anything he wants just recalling information in his brain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 20:08:28 2023 No.6453056 >>6453035 chalk brush

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 20:45:10 2023 No.6453106 File: 319 KB, 349x417, icc3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6453048 I guess... I also saw other pros talking a lot about copying I just can't wrap my head around how would I get better just by copying someone else

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 21:11:38 2023 No.6453147 >>6453106 The two videos in the op post from Krenz explains it in more detail. It is not just copy without thinking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 21:13:57 2023 No.6453152 File: 882 KB, 940x789, icc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6453147 Alright I given them a watch Thank you

Anonymous Mon Jan 2 21:19:21 2023 No.6453162
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>>6453056
Thanks anon, you sent me in the right direction.

I tried with some of the default brushes and the basic chalk one got me some positive results. Though, it's pressure based, so I need lighter strokes with the pen, but it's ok. Also, I need a big canvas to use thicker line strokes (or I lose the texture), lord save my pc cpu/gpu.

I guess I will need more color theory and light studies to create the shining effect, but the texture is getting there, which is the most important.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 22:08:28 2023 No.6453245 >>6452707 a beg wouldn't have the skill to use ai as a base for their own art like at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 22:15:53 2023 No.6453255 >>6453048 >he can pretty much draw anything he wants could* ;-;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 2 23:31:41 2023 No.6453348 >>6452605 I watched the Krenz video a long time ago when I was even worse off than now. Guess I'll review it now I have some more experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 01:51:22 2023 No.6453525 File: 33 KB, 750x421, 1299036766309.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6447937 draw 10,000 pelvises, now

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 04:28:24 2023 No.6453711 Can I get a tldr of those 2 videos "Why you should copy"? That shits like 5 hours all together

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 04:59:24 2023 No.6453736 File: 423 KB, 1000x1600, deer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6441600 Am I anime yet? Can I be mistaken as an Asian artist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 04:59:56 2023 No.6453738 File: 409 KB, 1200x1500, succ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6453736

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 05:00:48 2023 No.6453740 >>6453736 No.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 05:05:28 2023 No.6453742 >>6453736 >imagination Uh anon…..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 05:29:34 2023 No.6453759 >>6453742 >imagination What's that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 05:41:12 2023 No.6453771 >>6453736 >>6453738 I wouldn't have guessed if you didn't say anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 06:43:18 2023 No.6453830 >>6453736 No. Your Hispanic ancestors' ghost hands can be seen

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 09:07:53 2023 No.6453938 File: 135 KB, 1132x1643, anus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I japanese yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 09:26:16 2023 No.6453956 >>6453938 I like the head but the clothes take me out of it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 11:01:09 2023 No.6454027 >>6453938 not with those lines

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 11:07:04 2023 No.6454036 any recent Settei/artbooks of Bleach? Old Tite is soulful as hell, but I'm more of a fan of his current fuckboy/bishi style

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 11:07:08 2023 No.6454037 >>6453938 >>6452138

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 12:29:48 2023 No.6454155 File: 1.00 MB, 2197x662, file017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] found a bocchi collage on twitter

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 12:34:41 2023 No.6454159 >>6453711 The second is a recent version of the first. Watching the second one must be enough. You can also watch with 1.5 speed. And no, no TLDR. Watch it, learn it. Stop being lazy, topics are explained better and with examples there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 13:56:48 2023 No.6454244 >>6453711 >can I get a tldr on how to think for myself?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 14:56:52 2023 No.6454314 >>6447496 I draw from imagination, then fix it by using references.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 17:17:48 2023 No.6454540 File: 256 KB, 1725x797, Paint_3c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reference -> study -> recalling next day. Less than hour each.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 17:26:07 2023 No.6454554
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First study... Good lord, this is bad. It is looks even worse when I put the sketch over the original. Angles and width very wrong. Also, I spent way too much time making the angle lines. I never realized how bad I am drawing straight lines in different directions. And it was about simple shapes and CSI, I ended up with no shapes and no CSI.

Well, I will cope with this being the first one. The hundredth one will be better, certainly.

Maybe I should use two colors, one for lines and the other for the final shape. And perhaps I should pick more simple artworks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:03:04 2023 No.6454604 >>6454554 are you following any specific advice or method? these don't seem like a very valuable set of lines to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:29:38 2023 No.6454649 >>6454554 I have this problem too, but try not to treat your guidelines like gospel once you make them. Your sketch follows the lines almost to a T where on the actual image almost none of them follow it that closely.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:43:20 2023 No.6454664
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>>6454554
Good job. Keep it up!

You can use simpler artwork but be aware that every art piece could be simplified down to big simple shapes that define composition. So your main task here is to teach yourself how to detect and accurately replicate these big forms.

Anonymous Tue Jan 3 18:54:17 2023 No.6454691

>>6454604
I watched the Krenz videos, and I'm trying to do the CSI (shape accuracy studies). I will rewatch the relevant parts and try to apply more correctly. Watching looked way easier than it is.

>>6454649
You are right, I was really fixated in my guidelines. I should be focusing on the shapes more.

>>6454664
I see, thanks! I remember Krenz talking about it as well. I will try to focus more on the overall shapes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:41:48 2023 No.6454737 File: 2.33 MB, 4032x3024, D76B00DB-EE49-49D2-9E7B-8CAA7B48ABA2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is Michiru okay? https://mobile.twitter.com/tinygaypirate/status/1515480953325604867

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 3 19:54:56 2023 No.6454741 >>6454737 furry general is two blocks down, fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 01:46:47 2023 No.6455160 >>6454159 You mean the 2nd one is similar to the 1st? I'm in the middle of the 1st one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 03:41:18 2023 No.6455265 >>6452138 I think I get it, I just watched part of the 2nd Krenz video again and got blasted with a whole heap of new info, I was trying to make my own pieces but guess it's back to copying for a bit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 04:31:41 2023 No.6455322 File: 2.65 MB, 2986x4032, 5E9924F6-9311-4D14-AF4C-B4C1F0B99D40.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6454741 noted

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 08:38:53 2023 No.6455567 File: 1.95 MB, 2459x1447, practice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've chosen a certain character and I'm trying to make my own versions of her

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 08:41:40 2023 No.6455571 >>6455567 looks nice, is top right what you're going to settle on?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 09:01:49 2023 No.6455592 >>6455571 thanks, yes that was the last one I did I thought it was simple enough to replicate in the next sketches

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 10:06:55 2023 No.6455664 >>6452605 Which segment of the 2 videos is this explanation in?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 10:34:29 2023 No.6455687 >>6455664 https://youtu.be/kbKqIJcIUCw?t=3540 I was thinking of the few minutes around here where he talks about the "point-to-point" stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 13:10:33 2023 No.6455844 File: 1.51 MB, 2894x4093, line art redone.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this any better compared to >>6449090? I tried to redo the line art after rewatching the Krenz video.

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 16:01:58 2023 No.6456060

are there any courses/books that are actually recommended for learning manga/anime illustration style? I am taking proko's figure drawing to grind fundies but i'd like to start learning anime illustration techniques/style on the side but i'm honestly lost when it comes to self directed studying.

"pick an artist you like and copy them" makes me paralyzed...

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 16:25:46 2023 No.6456102

Whether it's an artist or a course, what matters is that you have a certain degree of interest in it and keep at it. From there you're bound to gain something from the time and efforts you invested into it.
Since you're already taking Proko's figure drawing course I'd recommend to watch Saitou https://www.youtube.com/@saitonaoki/videos as it will provide you with a lot of little challenges you can try to reproduce by yourself, such as this video for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wTQt5gaWY that I randomly clicked on. There are hundreds others so go and be curious.

>"pick an artist you like and copy them" makes me paralyzed...
That way you'll get to learn about what you want vs. not want to do better, because right now the biggest challenge you need to face is your mentality. Art isn't a straight road with a best objective way someone can just give you. You gotta learn what is your own way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 16:26:48 2023 No.6456106 >>6456102 meant for >>6456060

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 19:20:24 2023 No.6456304 Do I start by tracing finding shapes or just by eyeballing references?

Anonymous Wed Jan 4 19:31:48 2023 No.6456322

>>6456304
why not both? try to draw from reference, compare to the reference to see where your drawing differs, then find shapes by tracing. optionally you could try to draw from reference again afterwards to see how you improved for that drawing and where you are still lacking

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 20:04:03 2023 No.6456356 >>6456322 I can't argue with that logic, thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 22:06:48 2023 No.6456503 >>6455567 ai is actually built for doing that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 22:10:13 2023 No.6456513 >>6456060 if that paralyzes you then stay paralyzed for a while just keep finding artists you like

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 4 22:38:35 2023 No.6456557 I am interested by how well AI can capture facial features and translate them into any art style, whats the trick?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 03:45:02 2023 No.6456978

Serious question, how the hell do professional artist or any decent artist choose the colors he's gonna work with? I get they already must have a clear idea of what to use for skin and hair, but what if it's a piece of clothing or even background they have never drawn or colored before? How do they choose the colors for that especific thing?

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:21:13 2023 No.6457132

>>6441600
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw
newbie here, holy this is a great resource 1 hour in and so far amazing, a new perspective form things I learnt from other resources, how are call those geometric shape studies mention at the beginning, where or how can I find more examples?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 06:24:45 2023 No.6457138 >>6456978 not anime, but I've found this really helpful when coloring, tl;dw glaze a hint of base color to harmonize things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tN1AzouPIQ&list=PLco2T1gwgCiZEY3Zj2ghYwl5jmvkW3WZv&index=85

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 10:56:26 2023 No.6457382 File: 1.03 MB, 1337x1337, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love these brats

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 11:22:53 2023 No.6457396 Where should I go to get references to copy from if I don't follow any particular artists? I don't want to invest the minor effort of looking through pixiv or boorus to find an artist I like.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 13:53:59 2023 No.6457530 >>6457396 So you want to be an artist but you don't care to look at other artists? Exclusively study from life then or stay bland I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:35:29 2023 No.6457629 File: 182 KB, 500x635, wip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i'm from /cbsg/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:40:53 2023 No.6457638 >>6457629 There are containment threads for a reason. But whores like u cant stop leaking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 15:59:29 2023 No.6457666 File: 74 KB, 479x463, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6457638 nah, i'm here to draw females

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:21:49 2023 No.6457759 >>6451757 I like the atmosphere of the maid drawing. Who's the artist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:25:36 2023 No.6457765 I know copying others is the best way to learn but it doesn’t teach you how to be confident with how you place your lines. I notice I waste a lot of movement when painting or drawing. How do I get better at this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 17:27:13 2023 No.6457770 File: 755 KB, 751x658, 1642624944074.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6457629 >>6457666 >/cbsg/ can't stop mogging /asg/ Your work is actually appealing and I'm starting to like you guys.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 19:04:35 2023 No.6457874 >>6454554 schizo lines

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 19:07:19 2023 No.6457878 >>6457759 fkey

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 19:51:23 2023 No.6457922 >>6457874 Should I be concerned? Fuck me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 20:31:57 2023 No.6457981 File: 251 KB, 1332x1828, power_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6457922 You shall not. When it's about improving your skill and not giving up on art everything is legal and permitted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 5 21:30:28 2023 No.6458082 File: 98 KB, 849x590, 1660767509601.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 22:20:58 2023 No.6458169
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This is with a little less schizo lines, hopefully.

Tried to use as few as possible of guidelines (being boxed helped). Basically, used lines only to figure out some angles, and basic position. Eyeballed the rest. Ear looks wrong. Anyway, a little better, but I could do more clean/defined lines.

Anonymous Thu Jan 5 22:57:50 2023 No.6458243
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>>6457981
the tit on the left should be pressed a bit by the arm, the whole torso looks flat, the gap in the eyes is too big even if it was done intentional you need to rework some other aspects of the face to work, the face is too square, easr are tiny, half of the face is wider than the other half

Anonymous Fri Jan 6 00:15:30 2023 No.6458426
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first digital art commission!
which is funny because the process is so tiring i'm almost tempted to go back to doing pixel art even though i've been trying out a bunch of new techniques lately lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 00:17:07 2023 No.6458431 >>6458243 Do not redline this guy, he won't listen to you anyways so don't bother

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 01:26:52 2023 No.6458626 >>6457981 brush?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 03:08:51 2023 No.6458805 >redrawing a doujin to study artist's style >can't resist urge to fap Aaaahhhh...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 03:14:22 2023 No.6458816 File: 51 KB, 250x222, E4E91D61-77DE-4DDE-8A92-31167951B15B.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6458426 adding this to my anime art collection for machine learning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 03:59:28 2023 No.6458907 File: 14 KB, 275x255, 1672389223851778.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6458431

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 04:02:59 2023 No.6458912 >>6457382 you drew that? aren't the eye patchs too low? almost on their cheecks

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 04:03:00 2023 No.6458913 >>6457878 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 07:17:29 2023 No.6459193 File: 1.03 MB, 1337x1337, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6458912 I did! You're right about that, I tried to nudge and adjust it so it's a little bit higher up. Hopefully this matches the game style a bit better now

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 07:24:21 2023 No.6459197 >>6452666 >sketch rendition looks better than the reference kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 08:08:23 2023 No.6459254 File: 661 KB, 810x2085, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i messed up on face when coloring so it looks very different from what i planned

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 08:09:17 2023 No.6459255 File: 1.32 MB, 1954x2099, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] messed up on face when coloring so it looks very different from what i planned

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 08:39:55 2023 No.6459295 File: 314 KB, 1048x936, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 08:45:28 2023 No.6459300 File: 255 KB, 1332x1828, power_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6458243 Thanks for the feedback. Shoulders needed some work indeed. Can you tell me what you like about this art now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 09:06:41 2023 No.6459316 File: 51 KB, 960x1280, 7072552d-e0cf-4d4c-9c8b-b1025384e423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 09:15:57 2023 No.6459331 >>6459316 nice lines and cute face

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 09:18:41 2023 No.6459335 >>6459331 Thank you <3 I forgot to add that i traced hands from hands posebook what was made for this exact purpose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 09:20:14 2023 No.6459337 >>6459193 Still way to low, they should be almost completely covered with the hat brim.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 09:57:27 2023 No.6459377 File: 238 KB, 546x1981, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 11:40:15 2023 No.6459464 >>6459316 Lmfao that ribcage

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 12:40:19 2023 No.6459514 >>6455844 both this and the earlier line art you linked aren't messy, and both are cleaner than the sketch. but it's hard for me to say if either is better than the other.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 14:27:48 2023 No.6459597 File: 274 KB, 840x418, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6459337 I'm not sure bout that anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 17:26:16 2023 No.6459855 File: 300 KB, 1028x603, 17692141-d7f7-438d-be63-7ebf4b7aa555.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] am I doing the schizo lines correct? any tips?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 18:02:37 2023 No.6459903 >>6459597 Faces at different angle in that pic

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 18:30:05 2023 No.6459948 File: 357 KB, 1045x682, 3e0bb7d7-d512-4cf6-ace5-4bf8ec11c7f4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6459855 I'm trying to focus on landmarks and negative spaces

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 20:45:51 2023 No.6460186 >>6459903 No. Even with the faces tilted downards the eyepatches are still very visible. If anything the top of the hat might be slightly different but the faces are the same

Anonymous Fri Jan 6 20:50:13 2023 No.6460191

>>6460186
The problem is OP made the brim too large compared to the reference, so in trying to keep their drawing consistent with the reference design has to put the eyepatch too low on the face to compensate. If you drew through the OP drawing their eyes would be misaligned as is.

Anonymous Fri Jan 6 21:03:39 2023 No.6460209
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>>6459855

>any tips?

one thing they taught us in high school by some lecturer who was visiting was to do this "duck method" you basically grab your pencil in a clasp like a duck bill almost, close one eye, pull it up to your open eye and measure the angle by lining up the pencil with the line you want, then you just hold the angle and use another pencil in your other hand to mark the angle on your paper. you can even go back and double check you got your measurement right, i do this alot and it really helps.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 21:08:29 2023 No.6460212 >>6460209 put on a shirt you disgusting hairy ogre

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 21:21:27 2023 No.6460223 File: 419 KB, 751x876, 1672989449622650 overlay.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6460186

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 21:29:20 2023 No.6460232 >>6457382 Soejima Enjoyer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 21:37:56 2023 No.6460242 >>6460212 love you too anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 6 23:17:10 2023 No.6460397 File: 687 KB, 1250x1000, 1-6-2023.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I dont usually post my anime studies but i figured why not as im trying to adopt a painterly more style similar to this artist >>6457629 based /cbsg/ enjoyer, nice wip so far

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 00:43:01 2023 No.6460527
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>>6459948
update on my personal blog... this goes against any other workflow i've seen (so far) which is nice to explore different ideas and methods. 5-6 shapes is new to me but is oddly familiar to calculus dont memorize curves instead memorize min, max and inflection points, i like it

Going to redo this since my green box is fucked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 03:09:54 2023 No.6460743 >>6460397 how do you get this look, do you just blend?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:15:57 2023 No.6460816 File: 434 KB, 1091x656, fb811300-bbd1-4439-bbe3-b58497c96283.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] interesting exercise enough for today

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:21:46 2023 No.6460824 >>6459855 >>6459948 >>6460527 >>6460816 how long did it take you to get this far

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:23:23 2023 No.6460826 File: 36 KB, 652x665, 1612892546894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6460816 What exactly do you hope from learning by doing this alignment to Saturn and its moons?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:25:27 2023 No.6460830 >>6460826 you must be a beglet to not see what he's doing, think a lil anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:28:52 2023 No.6460832 >>6460830 Enlighten me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:41:57 2023 No.6460843 >>6460743 I blend with the round brush rather than the blend/airbrushes. this was a 30 min study so it's not the greatest but I talked about rendering a little more here >>6460835

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 04:44:06 2023 No.6460846 glass penis

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 05:43:27 2023 No.6460895 File: 1.54 MB, 2894x4093, ghostloli.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How the fuck do I pick colors when starting from scratch?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 06:12:16 2023 No.6460931 >>6460843 what program? I use csp and i dont know how you blend with the brushes other than the blend tools they have

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 06:25:08 2023 No.6460946

>>6460895
You did really well.

I'd use orange/brown and purple predominately in your piece. Her skin tone is brown so a slightly more orange hue for the pumpkin and other things would work well here while keeping your the number of colors in the piece low.

The key is to use as few colors as possible to really sell this stuff.
Look up color gamuts, james gurney explains this well.

That way you can use an ascent color to bring out points of interest like the yellow/green mixture for the eyes you did to make the eyes stands out as it goes against the orange/brown and purple. Make the contrast more jarring by making the orange and brown colors here closer. Saito naoki has some videos on color ascents.

I also wouldnt really make the bow red since it could clash with the other colors
Maybe make the bow orange but keep it distinct from her skin tone.
Also you can make the tear not clash by making it colorless. Not all water has to be blue.
Same with the eye glow, maybe make it more purplish instead of blue.

less is better

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 06:26:57 2023 No.6460951
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>>6460824
don't be mislead by the post timestamps, this were done while in my IRL work, and also this is the first time and so i've been researching/understanding the first 2 hours of the krenz lecture. For a first timer >>6460816
should be between 25 - 40 min dont look for perfection, first time always suck the second time now you kind of own what you are doing, you have learnt something.

>>6460826
The exercise purpose is train 2 things, 1. shape accuracy (how spot on you are from reference) 2 shape abstraction/recognition.
in reality what I'm hoping to learn? desu I don't know. The thing that picked my interest is that krenz (with all due respect) is a somewhat of a renown name from a foreign culture that alone is valuable, but after watching his lecture is way more interesting the dude is a painter foremost and it shows, is a different mindset (shape is first class citizen). I jokingly called them schizo lines because memes but its a kind of "picture plane" but way more street smarter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfh4JvyCtV8 this is a more western example of this kind of grid.
What i've gain? so far a new way (for me, this isnt and shouldnt be a novel idea) to do gesture drawings I'm a engineering first and while I do gesture daily I'm always bother about how otherworldly most artists explain this
exercise, so him breaking down gesture in solely shape + angle is way more intuitive and useful for me since any curve can be deconstructed geometrically in three points start + max/min + inflection see picture.

tl;dr another tool in the box

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 06:57:38 2023 No.6460979

>>6460209
sorry bro I forgot about this post I get the measuring method is useful for proportions and angles IRL but funnily I dont find them as useful for on screen measuring way to small length to be precise and useful. Actually relative length became an issue I solve it on >>6460816 by using ghosting circles after a few gesture motions you get a feel of the diameter and redo them in the side image, I didn't want to cpy paste anything for learning purposes... thanks based chest hair anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 08:42:34 2023 No.6461090 File: 1.32 MB, 1376x1000, 1-6-2023 c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6460397 another practice session >>6460931 Im using csp as well. like a said with a good round brush you should be able to blend and paint with it

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 13:57:04 2023 No.6461432

>>6460951
Anon you did a 40min not brague drawing but you dont even in have the character laid in nor is it accurate. I really don't understand how you or anyone else in this general doesn't feel like you're just wasting your time with these schizo grids when learning construction and anatomy will get you all futher in the long run especially when you admitted that you're not even sure what your supposed to be learning from it. You're all just blindly following bread crumbs of what this guy taugh without having any solid goals of your own.

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 14:12:57 2023 No.6461455

>>6461432
Not that anon. But, "this guy we blindly follow" is actually an amazing artist who also did study anatomy and construction, and teaches about it in his more advanced class. There is a lot of value in his lessons anon, perhaps you should watch the videos to form a solid opinion. The shape accuracy study purpose is NOT to be an alternative to other studies.

Also, you don't expect people in their first attempts to get it right.

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 16:34:36 2023 No.6461679

>>6461432
valid criticism, cool I didn't know about the bargue method until now, I will check it out later. But your doubt concerning "you admitted that you're not even sure what your supposed to be learning from it" is the same from any other idea method on this board, ask globally on /ic/ what they are looking to get from doing DAB, loomis, Bridgman, etc most probably wouldn't know does that the method will not work? probably not.
Right now i'm in a exploratory fun phase, anything that piques my interest I will try it at least once and evaluated its value on the go, for example this schizo grid, enveloping, etc is oddly familiar from other composition, negative and landmarking studies things I havent done in weeks so its a good refresher.
If you like, watch the video then you can also blog post like me about whats a better strategy, but mentioning only do construction and anatomy is too vague, also funny because many top artists would scrunch listen construction before gesture and composition studies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 19:37:33 2023 No.6461968

>>6459855
No offense but how is it any different from tracing when you're using this many guide lines? Aren't you supposed to train your eyes to judge proportions without training wheels? How are you supposed to learn that stuff when you're just going to copy the details in a small triangle?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 19:56:35 2023 No.6462010 File: 546 KB, 1945x1796, Illustration973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] trying to draw loli head, im satisfied with 6 but maybe im blind, anything i shoulkd fix ? my first attempts were p shit so idk if its alright now

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:38:17 2023 No.6462110

>>6461968
>No offense but how is it any different from tracing when you're using this many guide lines?
why would I get offended there's nothing wrong with tracing in the first place.

>Aren't you supposed to train your eyes to judge proportions without training wheels?
this is a study, not meant to end as a final piece. secondly the right image is pure eyeballing and only when everything is done I overlap them to see how far I were. Also I tried to put only meaningful lines, my criteria for meaningful lines is (negative space, bone landmark (clavicle, rib, asis) and perspective. honestly this made focus way more than usual on the subject.
>How are you supposed to learn that stuff when you're just going to copy the details in a small triangle?
my interest is not really fit things in triangles, is on the angles and shapes.

As I said in >>6461679 i'm just exploring things having fun, and this study was fun, but its interesting the comments to far.

>>6462010
not loli fan, so I prefer 2 and 3 I like when faces have chins, but probably that isnt a loli quality...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:46:55 2023 No.6462120 >>6448525 Just do flats with cell shading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 20:49:23 2023 No.6462127 >>6462010 6 is super cute, go with that

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:14:21 2023 No.6462163

>>6461455
I know how talented of an artist Krenz is but more importantly, I know that only 2 of his videos are available in English so no one is getting the full picture of what he's teaching just a tiny snippet of it. Also, you're learning advanced methods then that he's focused on exclusively on training artist more experienced intermediate artist who already knows the basics of drawing and how to improve their skills, not completely fresh beginners who just stumbled into the hobby. Copying is important when learning how to draw however you have to come to terms that this general isn't creating a bunch of Krenz Jr. It's just creating many lost and confused anons who can't seem to translate what they're painstakingly practicing into original artwork and who simply aren't enjoying art.

>>6461679
The biggest difference is that you are with people Bridgeman and the like all have their completed library of teaching guides readily available to you rather than two subbed videos while everything else is in Chinese. If you feel like learning all these methods is working for you then more power to you. But do be mindful of your output is the long run because you don't want to find yourself trapped done the line.

Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:39:04 2023 No.6462213

>>6462163
>The biggest difference is that you are with people Bridgeman and the like all have their completed library of teaching guides readily available to you rather than two subbed videos while everything else is in Chinese.
Fair point, and agree about the language barrier but those videos arent courses they are basically lectures huge difference, I treat it as such and left satisfied. I give you that this should be clarified on the main post.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:52:57 2023 No.6462243 File: 1.48 MB, 1280x1292, 1669906191044.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is old but hows my colours, im a little red-green colourblind

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 21:56:10 2023 No.6462251 >>6462233 be more dramatic on your poses, do the schizo lines >:^D

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 7 23:16:02 2023 No.6462361 File: 981 KB, 1125x1600, 7846308c-d69f-435c-b33e-3690773c9930.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Draw on paper, with ink and no references. That will teach you to git gud real quick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 00:34:12 2023 No.6462466 File: 428 KB, 1135x1357, yu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 00:55:41 2023 No.6462499 >>6462243 if you're red green color blind a little why did you make the whole thing red green

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 01:20:55 2023 No.6462534 >>6462466 rape

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 01:49:39 2023 No.6462560 >>6462233 Is the back pose from imagination? Super hot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 02:23:40 2023 No.6462607 >>6462499 do not question the wisdom of /asg/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 05:46:20 2023 No.6462813 >>6462499 red and green are 2 incredibly important colours, it would be stupid to avoid them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 09:16:54 2023 No.6462954 File: 1.07 MB, 2276x664, file018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] happy saturday bocchibros

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 13:41:37 2023 No.6463220 >>6462251 Yeah maybe you right I'm kinda afraid going for more dynamic poses since i'm aiming for more realistic and solid look so i always try to controll that but i think i can try few things >>6462560 it is thank you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 13:59:08 2023 No.6463258 File: 52 KB, 747x499, himeno_3c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 15:20:59 2023 No.6463377 >>6460397 Is that a Korean artist? seems familiar

Anonymous Sun Jan 8 16:12:45 2023 No.6463436

>>6463220
l get you, but what you are losing is the back arch and makes them look stiff and uncomfortable.

>>6463258
theres something in left image that makes it more interesting to me, is around the chest area it gives me a better sense of depth, is it the nipple? great job i like your arms better

Anonymous Sun Jan 8 18:29:26 2023 No.6463625
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right was on jan/22, left was today, personally i feel like the right one is absolute western trash looking animu, how the fuck i didn't see it back then i sbeyond me, back then i though that was peak asian jeans, now i feel the same with this new pic, am i getting closer to my japanesse overlords or does still feels like western anime

Anonymous Sun Jan 8 19:27:12 2023 No.6463682

>>6463625
I like the right one more.

Maybe if you used the same pen setting on the left one, I'd reconsider. But the left one is too rough in comparison.
By the way I don't agree with the right one being "western".
As long as you don't make more detailed noses, lips or Disney facial expressions and keep it within the same anime face structure, it's good and "japanese" enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 19:30:19 2023 No.6463688 >>6463625 I fail to see why right is supposed to look Western. At best you could thin out the cheek but that's it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 8 19:46:42 2023 No.6463708
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>>6463688
>>6463682
for me what defines a western/jap anime is the shape of the face, usually western anime faces are square instead of a inverted triangle , head is very roundish rather that and upside down egg shape, and the gap betweeen the eyes isnt as flat as the asian ones, that's why i find right side very western looking .

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 20:05:33 2023 No.6463724 >>6463625 I see it, the left is much more asian looking because it's softer the right is boxy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 20:09:19 2023 No.6463730 >>6463625 right is better it has volume and expression, left flat.

Anonymous Sun Jan 8 20:37:53 2023 No.6463781
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>>6463708
I see where you're coming from.
Well I'm not going to insist on changing your mind.
But as someone who has been into anime for more than 20 years and doesn't like overly western art, I prefer Shuten to the right.

There are plenty of japanese anime artists who slightly deviate from rules you tried to apply to the left one. Most of them are H artists, though.

Anonymous Sun Jan 8 21:44:09 2023 No.6463870
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This might not look better than the last pics I did, but the important thing is that the stuff in the Krenz video works. I used to have to redraw the form multiple times over until I went other the 1st third of the vid. When I overlaid at the very end the only real problem was that the head was positioned too high causing the stuff below the neck to float and the hand being too small, and the very rightmost piece of hair not being far enough.

Next up is to redraw this but from a front profile view using boxes.

Also, does the 2nd krenz video have info the 1st one doesn't?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 21:52:36 2023 No.6463892 File: 370 KB, 1070x913, 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6462233 >>6463625 I like the right one altough i hate western looking art but it doesn't look like one to me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 22:11:51 2023 No.6463931 How would you go about drawing someone with their legs crossed, without reference?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 22:13:19 2023 No.6463935 File: 248 KB, 489x946, 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6463892 Tried to fix hair

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 22:20:36 2023 No.6463948 >>6455265 Which video was it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 22:35:42 2023 No.6463974 File: 413 KB, 665x536, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITS OVER

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 23:04:21 2023 No.6464003 >>6463892 >>6463935 she cute

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 23:56:19 2023 No.6464064 >>6463625 >>6463708 There are many flavors of the japs art. I don't think you know how to spot western yet if you think one is more western than the other. But keep going, the more you pay attention to their works, the more mature your eyes you get.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 8 23:59:21 2023 No.6464069 >>6463931 By copying and studying lots of pics until you memorize the aspects of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 9 00:03:04 2023 No.6464072 File: 213 KB, 1179x901, fc390f0f-79e3-4389-a021-ec5f60abe833.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think i've been tainted by schizo lads. I think I will finish this lets see how long it takes schedule is tight this week

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 9 00:20:24 2023 No.6464095 >>6464072 try some different references? that should lower your schizo levels by at least 30%

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 9 00:25:13 2023 No.6464105 File: 60 KB, 298x283, Screenshot_20230108_182135.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6464095 I'm already doing it, I like the artist but I'm not a fan of the neck and shoulders (also right hand) work lets see what can I do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 9 00:26:41 2023 No.6464107 File: 412 KB, 850x1200, 1670699293077067.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6463935 post pixiv pls

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 9 00:59:12 2023 No.6464137 New thread >>6464136 >>6464136 >>6464136 >>6464136

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 9 01:26:09 2023 No.6464172 Real new thread with proper links >>6464171 >>6464171 >>6464171

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 11 00:00:48 2023 No.6467386 >>6462233 i save literally every single post you make on asg so that i can print them out and have them thrown into my grave when i die

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 11 00:01:55 2023 No.6467387 >>6463974 good job, you just made the equivalent of 20 cents

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 11 00:55:46 2023 No.6467467 >>6448525 Rendering is a meme, most of the skill is this >>6448708 Just don't get too obsessive with it, it'll end up looking like you try too hard. I doubt a single render monkey even knows what sprezzatura even is let alone how to achieve it.

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